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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] check one to dirty bird that always got me every time I'd
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play gigs and the sound guy would go all right right check your mic you never know what to say then
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everybody tries to pull the testies testies one two yeah you know what's going to happen every time right the
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testies right well no but you know they're going to ask you to check your mic and you're like once again I've
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prepared nothing right and like when I do my base check I I eventually got to the point where I was like I just play
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the same tune over and over I like to play the rappers delight Baseline uh just played that over and
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over and then but with the mic check it was always like oh and then I played with a guy for I don't know about 10
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years that would do the testies testies one two and then look over at you like he's like he's he's in fifth grade and
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it's still funny every time yeah like look at me go I like when the sound engineer has like an assistant or an
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underling so they get to do the uh microphone checks for for them so as a musician you don't have to do it the the
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assistant gets up there and does it and they're always like very technical they're like you know what I mean
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they're like I'm going to check this mic in a way that only a professional could
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you know they do the one two one two one two 2 one one two I love one yeah the one two 2 one two with that little p in
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there yeah 2 one two and then it start going real sharp on the t's yeah it always got me my favorite two was during
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the set break how the sound guy would always have to tell you about the band he plays
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in mhm like yeah I know I'm here every weekend but the band I play in on Tuesdays you can see us on a Tuesday we
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just got at Buffalo Wild Wings or they always just got back from some tour and then You' start asking a little
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bit more in depth questions to figure out about this said tour and right and you'd they would have really answers for
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you then the sound gu's like you should hear me do Nights in White Satin On karaoke night you should hear me do
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Faithfully yeah if you Google uh Shannon Christian and Chris Newsome one of the first like
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if you if you you have the option of news or um all or photos or images things like that one of the first images
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that's in that little sequence there of pictures is something where we have all five of the [ __ ] responsible for the
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murder of both Shannon and Chris MH and and then between like so it has like the
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the four male perpetrators surrounding this little quote and it has Vanessa Coleman the the female perpetrator on
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top there and underneath it says these are the photos of the people who butchered Shannon after forcing her to
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watch them mutilate and murder her boyfriend Christopher Nome um and then it I'll skip the next part because it's
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it's too graphic for me to even want to say it here but um Shannon's fate was more gruesome and horrible and yet this
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story does not make the mainstream media why is this because it's it's black onwhite crime therefore Politically
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Incorrect to report it please send this story to all media outlets and um of course we covered this um a few weeks
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ago and something you know just this is a difficult case to cover they're all difficult in some way you
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know we we and look there's I think there's nothing wrong with saying that some are more difficult to cover than
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others and I think especially with however many cases we're up to at this point I mean I think we're at
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20 60 some episodes MH so that's a that's a lot of talking about murder mhm but some of them just hit you in
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different ways especially why you're researching them and then how are you going to report them um a case like um
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Casey Anthony for example like that was such a big mainstream media case that when I thought oh this is going to be
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one that I kind of keep a arms length from and I'm not going to get too emotional about it throughout the week
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and I that case wrecked me M for for weeks and uh we do have obligation cuz you know we one we chose to do this and
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by choosing to do this we we've had we've had some success doing it we have loyal listeners so we want to try to put
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out a great product and then we our goal is for us has always been a couple things we do that I think
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is that I like is we don't really try to pay too much attention to the other shows there's hundreds of other True
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Crime shows out there and some really good ones some very good ones and some poo poo ones and but what we try to
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do go ahead I don't want to sound like an ass but I actually think there's more poo poo than good ones proba you know I
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haven't checked out all the poo poo ones right but but you know when I do kind of
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like a random search of a of a specific case and then sometimes I'll see something's been covered a dozen times
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or it's only been covered once or twice regardless I might peek in you know for a little bit and kind of listen in and
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see what what what they have to say get your uh dmer on and just kind of well you know Bundy on watch them I've talked
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about this here that there there are a few there not very many but there are a few that are just like straight
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classless kind of junk right um but they're making jokes the whole time right right and look there there are
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okay now that being said look at something like last podcast on the left or my favorite
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murder yes do they make a bunch of jokes yes they do do do I find that classless no I don't the re one of the
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main reasons why is they list their show in comedy mhm so right there if you're going to listen to their show and get
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offended like they told from told you from the beginning there's going to be jokes yes our subject is crime now
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personally uh I mean do we make some jokes on the show from time to time from time to time
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we would we will right but uh you know it's it's always been a little we try to approach it a little differently um but
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I at least respect the shows that that right away tell you hey this is a comedy show well I have different expectations
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when I listen to those types of shows or specifically those two shows yeah you know I I go into it understanding that
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I'm going to hear jokes and understanding that most of the show may be jokes more than information or uh
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things like that so well and also with my favorite murder they're they're two comedians
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so what do you expect they're going they're going to have jokes right uh and and all also they have more jokes than
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we have but that's because they're Comedians and they're and they're actually funny what do you think about
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the statement of please send this story to all media allet it's not so much the portion of share it and encourage other
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people to tell this story of Shannon Christian or Chris Nome but more so of it wasn't covered or a lot of people
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feel that it wasn't covered by enough of the mainstream media well this you know
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this is a tough situation because on the surface it it really seems like maybe race would play a
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factor in this story I don't personally believe it played much of a factor into the story um
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but any crime that you know a hate crime basically is racially motivated I would
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argue that race probably plays a factor into every crime on some level when it's
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a black on white crime or white on black crime it plays some Factor now what percentage of that you know and and that
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would be the argument I talked to a very intelligent lady about this and she was
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was talking about well the hate crime the the racial implication would have to be that that these individuals felt that
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they were Superior well I would argue that anybody that is killing somebody to either cover
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something up or just to kill them therefore feels that their life is more Superior to than the person that is
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being murdered of course yeah so that becomes a sticky situation but why this wasn't reported on more
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I I don't know I kind of sought out an answer from other people especially people in the uh Knoxville area and this
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wasn't me asking them but I I went to like the news coverage of the day you know of that time period to see what
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people were saying you know because they'll often go to the streets take to the streets and ask people streets yeah
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their opinion and stuff and I thought that um this one lady I thought she described it very well I you know her
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saying something to the effect of there's violent crime happening and violent murders happening in every city
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in this country well just to cut you off real quick I think in this trailer you also talked about violent crimes
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happening in New York in LA and I think Knoxville is um actually I said Chicago uh in uh New York yeah and but I think
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Knoxville is one of the most violent crime cities in America gotcha and so when you said but this doesn't happen at
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a time like this I remember thinking at the time like I thought I read something
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about that but but no I think I think also though this is maybe that's another reason why it wasn't nationally covered
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this happened in Knoxville and and not a a major city well I think part of it though is
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that the biggest portion of this investigation and the biggest problem that prose utter would run into in this
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specific case is you have five individuals all responsible in my opinion all very likely equally
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responsible in my opinion um all turning on one another they all have a different
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story to tell police so technically they all confess they do with some not not right
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away they all need a little bit of uh motivation to confess and what you find when you dive into this case and you
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look through each one of their statements is they're a little more forthcoming they're a little more honest
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the more times they are questioned because one thing that the one thing that law enforcement did extremely well
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I mean you want to talk about hitting it out of the park these they didn't slip at all law enforcement they were perfect
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in the sense of they would go to Marcus Davidson and say hey this this is what we think happened what happened and he
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might admit to something and then they go oh yeah well we know this happened right okay so let me give you a prime
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example actually Marcus Davidson who many believe he's the older brother remember uh lalvis cobbins is his
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younger brother right that's the one that we played his testimony yeah so a lot of people believe Marcus to be the
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quote unquote ring leader of this group of five um that very well could be the case um we'll kind of go through this
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real you know each one at a time and I think what you'll see Captain is that it really pieces together what very likely
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is the truth of that night and in the next day so Marcus originally tells police that he he had no involvement in
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this case at all now mind you remember they found shann and Christian in his home dead in the home that he was
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renting right okay so he says to police basically look my brother comes down here with George Thomas and Vanessa
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Coleman they carjacked these people they they took them hostage they tortured them they did all this in my house and
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because I'm an xcon because I just got out on felony charges of carjacking you're all going to come after me right
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and now there's nothing I can do because this went down in my house but I wasn't
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there I haven't been there for days I left because my girlfriend left and I left because these yahoos took over my
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house and I didn't want to stay there with them right but then we get testimony from his girlfriend his
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ex-girlfriend saying she stopped by the house to pick up items and he actually called her over M and so just that in
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itself is enough to go hey your your story's [ __ ] bro right well and and yeah now we know you were there when you
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say you weren't there but the first tactic that police took against Marcus was there were items several items
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inside the vehicle that was carjacked that was a 4Runner right I believe it was a Toyota 4Runner right so an SUV
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they found several items inside that SUV that had Marcus's fingerprints on them that's actually how they traced down to
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where and and found Shannon Christian so they find the vehicle first they test it
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for fingerprints they find Marcus Davidson's fingerprint on items inside the car because he's a known felon his
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fingerprints are on file they go right to the home that he's renting and they find this poor young woman dead in his
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kitchen yeah and so they come at him and they say look well you had to have been involved
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somehow in this because we found your fingerprints on items inside of the vehicle that was carjacked that was
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owned by this this woman that's now deceased and he says oh well that's cuz I was out doing this on this day and all
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of a sudden my brother shows up with his friends and they joy riding in a car and
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I went riding with them I got in the car and went riding with him but like you said now we have his his ex-girlfriend
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coming forward saying um you know I saw him at the house during the time frame that he says he was not staying right
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because he called me over right you know so yeah so and then the the most interesting I think of the statements
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given to police by these five perpetrators I believe the the most interesting ones lie with Marcus
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Davidson his brother lalis cobbins and then the girlfriend lalis cins girlfriend Vanessa Coleman so Vanessa
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Coleman remember she was staying there and she gave the impression that um she was being threatened by
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Marcus and she had little to no involvement in this whole thing that went down right and Lal
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lalis also states that you know they basically his brother showed him a gun and basically was saying nobody's
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leaving here yeah so letavis States we're being held against our will as well in his statements he also says that
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he went with Marcus and Eric Boyd to go out and meet some girl that Marcus knew uh because she was going to give them a
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cell phone yeah well the here's a major problem with that so a lot of people thought well now we got this lalis kid
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he's under the influence of his older brother's uh violent hand and Direction and now he's out and he gets
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tricked into carjacking these people right well the problem with that is we have Vanessa Coleman statements to law
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enforcement who State she states that Marcus was talking told the group I'm going to go out and carjack some people
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I'm going to go out and Rob and carjack some people not only that according to her statements he stated to the group
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I'm going to do it tonight yeah yall tripping so lalis who claims these people were all tripping and they need
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to get out of there after this goes down according to Vanessa Coleman's statements lalis knew not only did he
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know but the the whole group knew that there was going to be a hijacking and a uh a robbery that would go down that
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night yeah and this I mean he's a real piece of [ __ ] by the way but so this real piece of [ __ ] says well I just
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followed them because I'm going to go meet this girl no that's not what happened you you
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were told at your brother's house we're going to go carjack somebody mhm and you're like oh you guys yall must be
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tripping if I'm not going to go with you right and so you went with them and you
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helped and you knew this was going to happen so that was another [ __ ] lie that he says but I mean he he says a
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million [ __ ] lies but that's because he's a giant piece of [ __ ] so we have Lalas who would say in his statement
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that George Thomas and Vanessa Coleman stayed behind at the at Marcus's house and they didn't know what was going on
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which think about how he's got to piece this together they can't know what's going to go down because he doesn't know
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what's going to go down so what you have is you have five different individuals who are going to tell you some of the
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truth enough to point the finger at others being more involved than what they personally are involved but some of
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these guys have to including in girl Vanessa have to alter their story alter the truth to play to their story to
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their angle of the story a little bit so lalis needs Vanessa and George to be more innocent than what they actually
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are as well because it fits his Narrative of what went down that night the problem with this is though not not
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only do we know Vanessa says hey they were going to go out and carjack she then tries to make herself look more
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innocent saying well lalis and Marcus and Eric Boyd they left George Thomas behind to control me they left him
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behind to control me right so again now she's all of a sudden very innocent she's being tricked or forced into doing
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something that she doesn't want to do yeah and part of this part of the problem though is we have three
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individuals that are in this town because they're visiting and so they keep talking about how they
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don't have a vehicle how how the hell did they get down to Knoxville in the first place well remember George
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Thomas's girlfriend was originally with them and she left the a day or two before uh this went down okay she yeah
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so George Thomas's girlfriend I can't remember her name but she testified at at least one of the trials and uh
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sentencing hearings but out of that group of four she the only one that had a brain now she probably didn't know
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that anything like this was going to go down but I could imagine I have to believe you didn't
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have to hang out with this group very long to figure out there a bunch of shady terrible people right um and look
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they go to H hijack a car that's what this guy went to jail for you're stuck in the house okay buy that maybe you
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don't want to be there maybe they had somebody back there to control you the game
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changes when they show up with two individuals female and male and they're blindfolded mhm and they have zip ties I
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believe mhm around their wrist they're they're bound and blindfolded at that point the game
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changes and at that point anybody that does not call the cops is a giant piece of [ __ ] [ __ ] and and deserves
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whatever punishment they got for not helping these two individuals out you just you now have kidnapped two people
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this changes the game well and then keep this in mind though too lalis George and
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Vanessa the three visiting who said that they had no choice to to but to stay there and participate in this stating
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they had nowhere to go no vehicle no means of transportation what ultimately ends up happening after these two
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individuals are kidnapped and murdered is the three of them walk according to their own statements they walked for
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miles to somebody's house that they knew in Knoxville so that they could return to Kentucky right and so so this whole
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wait a second so for for 3 days when when rape Tor torture and murder are going down you you have nowhere to go
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and then all of a sudden when it's over oh you grew a brain and now you know that you can walk to this person's home
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that you know well they they grew legs not only did they get a brain but they grew legs oh [ __ ] now I can walk
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yeah I I you guys must be tripping cuz I grew some [ __ ] legs walk up on out of this [ __ ] I I have nowhere to go
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but we know from your own statements yes you did you absolutely did have somewhere you could go and number two I
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had no means of transportation Knoxville Knoxville is not BFE out in the middle of nowhere one pony one horse you know
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stoplight town they have public transportation yeah so so that is no defense and and and not a true statement
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at all look even look even if you're scared that they're going to shoot you you're I guarantee you these people
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are walking freely from one room to the next right mhm you have two people that they kidnap I'd be thinking to myself
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y'all must be tripping right you blindfolded these people you brought them back to the house I'd go y'all must
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be tripping I'm going to go I'm going to go outside to smoke me one of those wet
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blunts I go outside and start walking down the street and eventually I'm going to come across somebody and I'm going to
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say you need to call 911 right and you need to get these people out of there you know hi uh
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carjacking look you're you're awful if you're doing that but this is a whole different level
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so to me the fact that they couldn't just get somewhere if you leave what are the chances that they're
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going to come trying to find you I I understand that possibly you'd be worried one for your
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safety not not not at just at that moment but possibly for your safety afterwards M because you know that
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these people are bad bad people so I don't know but I just can't imagine at that moment when they get
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into the house I can't imagine that that somebody's brain didn't just go into I need to stop this mode well that brings
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up another interesting part of this story is was the hostage taking planned you know did they plan to kidnap these
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two people and my answer is I absolutely 100% believe they planned on kidnapping
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somebody right I don't know that it you know I don't believe this was a targeted
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attack I don't believe that these two individuals were singled out Chris Nome and Shannon Christian I haven't seen any
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evidence that they were singled out or that they were targeted like you said I I agree more with you or believe that
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they knew whoever they jacked they were going to take that person hostage for whatever reason I don't know but I don't
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necessarily think that these two were targeted and and the fact that they weren't targeted that also makes me lean
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towards it not being quote unquote a hate crime but isn't every crime a hate crime yeah right and I I would agree
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with that statement kind of a weird term I would and I know that that there's certain legal jarg that comes along with
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the definition of hate crime but at the end of the day you know most people that kill
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somebody hate that person at least in that very moment that they're in the act of killing them right so we have
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lalis who we played his we played portions of his testimony yeah you all be tripping and so he states that it
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look he doesn't say this outright but you can tell by his statement that it looked to him or he was under the
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impression at the time that one he didn't know that they were going to carjack somebody and two he didn't know
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that they were going to kidnap anybody now let's reverse this let's look at because I want to really examine the
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possibility of it was a planned kidnapping and this is this is where this comes into play we have Eric it's
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either Eric Boyd's statement or marcus' statement I can't recall off the top of my head here but one of them States we
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never planned to kidnap somebody there was a car that was driving in the parking lot and the lights shined on us
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and we panicked in that moment and kidnapped them and took off in the vehicle so here's here's the problem I
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have with that because when lalis is later pressured by police because what they're going to say is they're going to
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go okay well your brother and Eric Boyd and George Thomas then left the house after they kidnapped these people the
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three of them left the house and they took Chris Nome out to the railroad tracks right the police they're
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questioning him and they're saying why didn't you leave then you knew when your brother and these guys took this kid
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away that they were planning to kill him why didn't you do something his statement to police is well I know that
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my brother Marcus in the past would when he would carjack somebody he would also
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take the drive and kidnap them so he could later then take them to an ATM and get money from
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the ATM using their bank card and so his he's got an answer for everything as do
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all the other four [ __ ] he States look I just thought that he was going to take him with the bank card and they're
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going to go get some money I had no idea that they were going to murder him well
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that's where I go back and I say okay well we've already proved that you knew that there was going to be a carjacking
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your own statement basically says and almost proves to me not 100% but pretty darn close to it that Marcus and Eric
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Boyd were very likely planning to kidnap somebody and I actually believe that Marcus and Eric Boyd were planning on K
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on kidnapping two individuals and I think that's why they wanted a third guy to be the driver right because we've
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discussed this on this show plenty of times when we talked about kidnapping whe whether it be an adult kidnapping a
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child or a killer kidnapping a woman or so on and so forth any any different version of that that you want to think
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about we've talked about how difficult it can be to try to control your captive and and operate the
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vehicle at the same time it's difficult well guess what when you got two guys in
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the car with the two kidnapped with guns with guns and then you got a third guy driving the the vehicle that you arrived
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in you've really now started to create some structure and some control regarding this scenario well and let
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let's back up for a second on the idea of lalis saying well I just thought they were going to take him to the ATM I
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didn't know that he was going to murder him well lalis you must be tripping because you
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witness this guy get tortured and raped and you just think that they're just going to take him to ATM
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like you must be tripping there there is some difficulty in determining when um the actual rape uh that you're talking
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about took place whether it was before leaving the house or or after you know if it would have been out by the
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railroad tracks right but he was also Sodom sodomized so do they not know if that was before or after I I'm
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using what I could find from the from law enforcement law enforcement says they know what happened to them they
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they're unclear if it happened before leaving the house or after leaving house well I'm not I'm not apologizing to
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lalis for that no I'm not I'm not asking you to apologize lalis why you're listening to this no I'm not asking you
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to apologize to you you dirt bag I'm just saying when we're going through and we're TR you know we we're saying that
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we're tear through this a little bit and try to come closer to the truth you all
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of their statements plus what we know from uh law enforcement right but um regardless I mean it would make
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unfortunately it would make more sense that it went down at the house um it sounds like they were there for a
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certain for a decent length of time which makes me wonder that that it had to have gone down that way and the other
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thing I want to point out too here because there there have been some people that have approached me and said
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well Nick how can you well carel how can you say that you really believe that that all of them knew what was
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happening and all of them knew what was going down because you have lalis who would straight straight up say that
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Vanessa didn't know what was going on he you you must be tripping but here's the
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problem that house is like it's like an 850 squ foot home that's it's a very small home number one and going through
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some of these statements that I found these are the the offenders the perpetrators own words according
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according to their statements many of the rooms were not separated by a door we're talking about a home that didn't
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if you walked from one room to a bedroom there might not be a door separating that yeah and I have statements from I
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believe it's Vanessa in particular that states there was no door on the room that the girl he she just refers to uh
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Shannon as the girl there's no door to that room so um if in fact those statements are true if they're telling
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the truth about there being no doors we're talking about a very small dwelling with not a lot of separation
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from room to room right so if you are in this house and this stuff is going on you are aware of it there's no getting
00:32:12
around that there's no getting around that and and then we have lalis who says she offered me she offered me oral sex
00:32:20
which we know is a straightup lie I mean he's he's saying the reason let's break
00:32:24
this down though well and we argued back and forth on I didn't want to put that in because I just thought it was kind of
00:32:32
[ __ ] it's a [ __ ] statement we know he's lying but we kind of decided to keep that in based on the idea that
00:32:41
there's a lot of [ __ ] statements and and his testimony and to really to paint the kind of picture of who this
00:32:51
individual is it it helps to leave it in well that statement in itself is is okay
00:32:58
so if you find yourself sitting on the fence and wondering well I have this thing here I'm not quite certain if it's
00:33:04
a lie I have this other thing here might be a lie I don't know I don't know and then you hear that that's the Tipping
00:33:10
Point man that's where you're like oh [ __ ] well this is obviously a lie so all
00:33:16
these other things that I have mixed emotions on and mixed feelings about they're probably all lies too it's it's
00:33:23
the it's the easiest way to very quickly understand his character and his huge lack of any type of good
00:33:30
character at all yeah so um one thing I and I don't recall if we did it or not but when I was pushing to leave that
00:33:39
part in just for reasons we discussed is a good reason to leave it in but I also
00:33:44
wanted to include and I don't know if we did or not um the statements from Shannon Christian's father who
00:33:51
unfortunately her family had to sit in the courtroom and hear this guy sit on the stand and lie and because of the
00:33:58
structure of that particular hearing they were not able to get up on the stand and say that guy's lying yeah you
00:34:05
know they this guy he's saying slanderous things against our daughter who he eventually was in involved in her
00:34:13
murder and we're not allowed to possibly her rape right we're not allowed well let's get into that that's that's a
00:34:21
good point a good time to bring that up because I absolutely believe that he raped her 100% I'll tell you why because
00:34:27
that whole thing of she offered me oral sex that's left out of his original statements his original statements was
00:34:35
he had no kind of physical interaction with her at all right the problem with that is remember in his statement that
00:34:41
he gave that we played here he States well y'all be tripping well when he ejaculated some God on on her shirt
00:34:50
right and um so I let her give me oral sex so what happens here Captain is we have law enforcement he's tell law
00:34:58
enforcement he didn't have any physical interaction with her no sexual rape or anything like that yeah then they go and
00:35:04
they go yeah guess what dude we found your DNA on her shirt yeah you dumb piece of [ __ ] that's what we found so
00:35:10
how you going to get out of that and then he makes up this story about this this and this now the interesting thing
00:35:16
though too is when you go back and you review Vanessa Coleman's was questioned by police I believe four times and every
00:35:23
time that they talk to her she tells them a little more and a little more and I think it's in her third or fourth
00:35:30
statement given to police she says that she peaked in the room and saw lalis on top of the girl remember she just calls
00:35:38
her the girl yeah and so this is a whole different act than what lalis tries to tell the jury or the judge I'm sorry
00:35:47
that was going down well and that makes me believe that you know that makes me believe that the guy
00:35:58
was raped at the house I I just based off that statement well and I think that Marcus was
00:36:06
probably involved in some um mail on maale stuff in prison yeah um and then Eric Boyd later when he was eventually
00:36:18
arrested they found all kind of homosexual um pornography on his on his phone right um so it's a little unclear
00:36:27
clear who who initiated that portion of this attack or who was involved in that portion um but again it's 850 Square ft
00:36:38
with very few doors it's it's if you're there you're involved just by being there yeah and I mean both in both of
00:36:46
these cases and it could be wrong with Shannon and with Chris the other issue then becomes not only is there signs of
00:36:54
rape but there signs of basically those areas being beat with something mhm and um uh I don't know I mean and look we
00:37:11
get it's it doesn't bother me that some people didn't like the episode I I like con anytime there's criticism
00:37:19
construction constructive criticism I welcome it we've welcomed it from the beginning I mean that's why the show has
00:37:27
changed so much is we we want to know what people are what they like about cases what they don't at the end of the
00:37:33
day we're going to produce the show how the [ __ ] we want to period That's just
00:37:37
what's going to happen we thought it was an we thought it was a very interesting
00:37:41
way to tell this story and not to have to sit there and talk about all these gruesome details and some of that stuff
00:37:49
is like you can look it up online I love when people go well they didn't they didn't uh they left out some of the
00:37:54
details we left out none of the details as far as the gruesome details yeah they were left out
00:38:03
if you want to Google that [ __ ] go go ahead and Google it you know like we're not we're not producing a show or
00:38:11
talking about a case where we feel like we if there was a th000 points that we have to talk about all thousand points
00:38:17
and every detail of them so I think uh but a lot of people you know I like I didn't mind when somebody said I didn't
00:38:26
like the episode cuz I missed the the format the format of the show mhm that didn't you know didn't bother me that
00:38:35
you tune into the show because the show has some Banner the show discusses certain topics or whatever and you grown
00:38:42
to like the two individuals that are giving out the information and you didn't want to maybe hear the
00:38:47
information from this douchebag but we just thought it was an interesting way to cover it and some
00:38:55
people love the fact that we covered it that way trying something different and I'll never apologize for doing anything
00:39:01
cuz one I'll just go and produce the show however I want um well as long as the colonel agrees obviously but we're
00:39:10
also interested in trying things and and trying to make the show better we'll take chances and we'll never apologize
00:39:18
for that well then we have Vanessa Coleman and this this is a big issue with this
00:39:26
case and all has been since the day that they started making arrest here and actually she her and Eric Boyd were the
00:39:34
two that it seems to be um were the most difficult to bring to court bring to trial wasn't it Eric Boyd that was he
00:39:44
was even out for I mean they had arrested him but didn't weren't they having trouble bringing uh well well
00:39:49
it's also because of the second trial mhm the second trial because the whatever the I can't remember off the
00:39:56
top of my head whatever the judge did basically he the judge was addicted to painkillers basically and he was trading
00:40:04
um after he developed this addiction he had some kind of injury that got him hooked on pain colors right and
00:40:10
eventually he became addicted and he was giving courtroom favors to um hand jobs
00:40:17
well no he's he's in charge of the Court he's in charge of of people sentencing and how the how the court proceedings
00:40:25
take place so he let them give him a hand job no he's getting he's getting painkillers and trade for um making the
00:40:35
the court system a little easier for the individual um so and he he did a few other things as well but
00:40:44
jobs no sorry but um yeah so there ended up being this second trial but I I think
00:40:50
there was problem so no but there was a problem with arresting him in the first like like the first getting the first
00:40:58
charges to go through yeah because the other thing that was very interesting was the whole their t uh Lam
00:41:06
Marcus's timeline and L talis's timeline um Boyd had I believe had some Alibis for some of that
00:41:17
time period mhm so then it becomes well because he didn't stick around as long as these others stayed at the house yeah
00:41:26
yeah and then he claims that he was in the back room that's where his room was he was in the back room and that's the
00:41:34
room that basically everybody claims that's where the girl was held but then he claims that when he came back she
00:41:41
wasn't held there I would have known it was my room so there's discrepancy there
00:41:46
according to uh Vanessa and lat talis's statements Shannon would have been held in Marcus's
00:41:53
room oh in Marcus's room yeah okay so but there was two okay there there would have been two back rooms CU at at one
00:42:02
point one of Boyd's friends is in the jail housee questioning him and she goes well but it's like his girlfriend or
00:42:12
something's on the phone with him right and she's saying well how could you not know because she was put in the back
00:42:17
room that's what they said and he was like well I don't know she wasn't in my room she's like but your room's the back
00:42:23
room well yeah but she wasn't put in my room that's that's where confusion is well and he didn't do anything to help
00:42:30
himself with with his statements to law enforcement because his statement his story you know and and we're not going
00:42:36
to tear through his story because his story is the most ridiculous out of all of them he basically says look I didn't
00:42:41
have any involvement in this yes I was in the house yes I knew that they took a girl hostage whatever happened to her
00:42:48
whatever is is what happened to her you know it didn't have anything to do with me I'm not responsible I didn't know who
00:42:53
she was well you have a responsibility as a human being and as a citizen to call that in to phone that in to tell
00:43:00
somebody that there's a there's a huge law being broke right here and there's someone's civil you know someone's
00:43:07
constitutional rights are being taken from them well and his his story was you know I apologize if anybody hears Frank
00:43:16
barking in the background we we have a guy fixing a pipe in the garage or outside the garage and and the dog
00:43:25
Frank's on guard and Frank keeps barking at him poor poor guys out there in the cold digging a ditch and Frank won't
00:43:32
shut up so what I heard from the second trial because they had to throw some things
00:43:39
out from the first trial that this whole Eric Boyd case was going to be very difficult because of the conflicting
00:43:46
stories and if there's so much conflicting stories maybe that you would just uh rule out either either or or
00:43:54
both of the stories and then he would just get free but when his girlfriend or I think it was just a friend like a
00:44:01
family friend or whatever but the family friend at some point in the conversation
00:44:05
said you know you were in that house you know she was in that house she was in a
00:44:11
trash can in bags dying with bleach down her throat and you had to know that she was
00:44:21
there you should have called the cops this girl did not deserve to get what she got right and he he comes back with
00:44:29
because he's trying to play cool that's the other thing about these grown ass grown ass men always I love when these
00:44:35
grown ass men just try to be cool oh I got to try to be cool I got to try to act tough and he says she goes you
00:44:43
should have called the cops you knew you should have called the police he goes would have should have could
00:44:49
have but can't do anything about it now well that would have should have could have they played over and over at
00:44:58
your trial and that's one of the reasons that you're sentenced to life well in Marcus remember him saying that he had
00:45:06
he wasn't even at the house they were able to prove too that his palm prints were on at least one of the trash bags
00:45:13
in that kitchen Lamarcus yeah yeah yeah well he goes by Marcus and it's actually
00:45:19
Lam maricus but it's it much easier to say Marcus and that's what he went by um then we have well but that's what's so
00:45:26
weird is you would think he goes by Marcus so it'd be Lam Marcus mhm but technically it's if you look at
00:45:34
it it's l a r i c us that's what I want is I'm going to name my my child lamus well so Vanessa Coleman is has
00:45:47
been a tricky thing in this whole situation because there's a lot of people myself included that when I first
00:45:53
looked at this and I mean years ago when it happened um my first thought was well what role
00:46:00
did she play in this how guilty is she is she in fact some kind of victim or whatnot but when you really pour into
00:46:08
this case and you really dive into it and even again even her own statements to law
00:46:14
enforcement she she was she doesn't outrightly say that she was involved she's always maintains that she didn't
00:46:21
do anything to physically harm either of the kidnapped victims right uh or take part in either of their murders and most
00:46:29
of the statements given by the other perpetrators they don't really include her in the actual murders however again
00:46:38
law enforcement really knocked us out of the park because they're going to come at her later and because they realize
00:46:44
that they're able to find uh it's like trace or touch DNA or some kind of fingerprint of hers on Shannon Christian
00:46:54
so she at least had some kind of physical interaction with the murdered victim yeah now look I'm going
00:47:01
to I think we disagree we talked about this before but that's what the show is about is is what happens not on the show
00:47:12
and one of the things that we talked about again same with with you when I was looking into this case is there an
00:47:17
injustice here that we're charging U Vanessa with I think the original account was like 57 years or something
00:47:25
like that so I something like that 57 years so she's not going to get life but she gets a lot of parole opportunities
00:47:33
too right but 57 years that that's the first charge we'll get to the second charge later but that makes you start
00:47:43
wondering if this is four white guys that had attacked two individuals kidnapped raped tortured
00:47:52
murdered two individuals four white guys guys and a white girl would the white girl get
00:48:03
off I'm not going to say either way of what what I think but I'd say my gut feeling would be all you have
00:48:12
is some touch DNA on their arm I think they'd be more willing to um be a little more lenient and possibly
00:48:24
not even charge her because let's just think about this way this house is so small that Vanessa knows what's going on
00:48:33
in these house in this house I couldn't imagine being a female I mean I don't know how tall she is I think I read
00:48:43
somewhere that she was 5'2 she's small you have four grown men that are abusing two victims mhm and that
00:48:58
you've seen a gun now okay so the fear base there would I think would be way so letavis
00:49:08
can sit there and say all all he wants you know I scared and all this stuff look you can stand up for yourself
00:49:16
right but I don't know if she could in that situation but what I do know she could have done is I'm sure at some
00:49:24
point she had the and I think we went over this in the case before there was multiple times
00:49:32
where she was left with one individual and was yeah she was left with George Thomas during the hijacking during the
00:49:39
carjacking she was left just with lalis during the killing of Chris Nome right and so there's multiple situations where
00:49:49
I think she could at least tried to leave um that all being said what's interesting though too is
00:49:57
based on the second trial it went from 50 some years down to 36 I believe and then she has a lot of lot of
00:50:08
possibilities for parole so basically she would be serving roughly two months for every year mhm so I think in that
00:50:17
case but but that just makes me wonder I mean we don't know the truth and and and
00:50:23
it would there be touch DNA on one of these victims it's very possible well she's sitting in
00:50:29
a couch while they walked by him you know what I mean I I don't know but I but I think
00:50:36
because I don't buy her story fully and because she changes it multiple times so
00:50:43
that's where I went from was there an injustice here to all her stories are changing multiple times all there's
00:50:52
evidence that she at least came in physical contact with one of the victims and her sentence was not life in jail so
00:51:01
I I do believe Justice was served there well the so the evidence does that make any sense yeah I see what you're saying
00:51:08
but the the there's a couple I don't know that I agree I don't know that I want to get too far into it but so she's
00:51:15
granted immunity at the state level the issue here is that there are federal crimes that were committed during the
00:51:22
course of these other crimes that were committed so she offers up information we give you Immunity on the state level
00:51:29
because that's all we have authorization to Grant you and guess what the federal
00:51:34
government can come after you if they so choose to do um keep in mind kidnapping
00:51:39
is a federal crime so um therefore a lot of the other crimes that were committed
00:51:44
because there was a federal crime such as kidnapping committed then those are um those can be tried at the federal
00:51:53
level for the most part as well so what we have here is though with with her statements it's not until her final
00:52:02
statement does she state that well you you found evidence of me having physical interaction with Shannon Christian
00:52:10
because Marcus made me take her pulse made me try to take her pulse after he thought that he had killed her and the
00:52:21
problem with that is we have nobody else's statements saying that same thing right we also don't she she fails to
00:52:29
point that out to law enforcement until they force her hand until they force her
00:52:34
hand to say hey we know you had you touched her right so why did you touch her why and what in all reality what
00:52:42
probably happened was she was probably assisting in some way in either the torture the beating or at very least
00:52:48
holding Christian down right and that's why the the the evidence they find on her is near the wrist it's not because
00:52:58
she was checking for a pulse it was because she was holding the arm of the victim down while things were going on
00:53:05
yeah most likely that's right again though it's like if her story is true then you just go why didn't he come out
00:53:13
with this earlier and so it's like well yeah that's what I mean like okay if you're if we've offered you immunity and
00:53:20
you are you're you're trying to provide us with information so we can lock up these other individuals that you say
00:53:27
threatened you that you say um you were led to have no choice in this then why didn't you you don't forget taking the
00:53:36
pulse of a woman that that might be dead right you don't forget that I'm sure at
00:53:41
some point they probably ask her to did you have any physical contact with any any any of these
00:53:48
individuals um and that's might when you might want might be when you want to speak up and say hey this is uh what
00:53:57
happened well and she according to her statements but she probably was tripping when you think about it colonel they all
00:54:04
be tripping yeah but AC like you pointed out earlier according to her statements
00:54:09
these are her words yeah the only individual out of the four that threatened her was Marcus and we know of
00:54:17
at least two situations where she was at home without Marcus right for a good length of time and decided to do nothing
00:54:26
yeah but that's what I'm saying I also as much as lat talis's story is [ __ ] he time and time
00:54:34
again is saying Vanessa had nothing to do with this cuz he needs her to because well no I understand that but what I'm
00:54:41
saying is I do think there is some truth to that but also we've talked about this
00:54:48
before I think uh Marcus for example he he he was going to do this no matter what
00:54:57
he's this is just what kind of individual he is I actually think he and Eric Boyd both were going to do this no
00:55:02
matter what yeah and but now we have individuals like George and lalis and and Vanessa that are just absolutely
00:55:13
weak horrible it's hard to even call them human because they act in such a way that that is not and I just think um but
00:55:25
we both I think agree that they probably wouldn't have done this like I I still think the the mentality that you have
00:55:37
that you're going to look the other way or that you're going to join in on the gang
00:55:44
mentality that that will lead you down to some bumpy roads and they would have some running with the law later down the
00:55:53
line would they be involved in a double homicide whether there was rape and torture I don't know well and I think
00:55:59
that that's ultimately why we have we see different sentences you know different perpetrators in this crime
00:56:06
were given different sentences um but it doesn't minimize what you did and what you didn't do
00:56:13
right and it it's like that can never be forgiven yeah you're no you're no more innocent no less guilty than anyone
00:56:20
involved in this no you know it's I mean and this is one of the group you know we
00:56:26
had this you know listener that was sitting there going you didn't talk about the details what happened to
00:56:34
Shannon and what happened to Chris you didn't talk about the details the details are are part of their
00:56:43
story no Shannon and Chris were way more than what happened to them what happened to them is awful and
00:56:56
horrendous and sadly is what they're going to be remembered as and that's sad that we're not going to remember them as
00:57:06
the great people that they were and all the opportunities that they were going to have in the future to be great people
00:57:13
and what what would happened then and what mark would they have left on the world and I I just I I don't know why I
00:57:21
got so pissed off I got so pissed off when I read that that that I denied them of of their identity and their story no
00:57:33
this is something that happened to them this is not what makes them who they are
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