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talk some true crime foreign [Music] the village of Paulding is a warm and welcoming community of
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almost 3 600 residents it is also the county seat of Paulding County Ohio at the heart of the village you will
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find the historic County Courthouse in the center of a lush green lawn complete with an old-fashioned gazebo
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the courthouse is surrounded by a traditional Town Square with quaint shops and family-owned restaurants
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Paulding is a quintessential slice of Americana that has managed to preserve its authentic charm
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on a Sunday night in 1960 14 year old Nancy eagleson was walking near that town square
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the county sheriff's office is nearby the city's small police station nearby as well
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but sadly as it would turn out that did not matter because on that night in Tiny Town USA
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there was a predator waiting in the shadows Nancy was pulled into a car that evening
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as she walked home from a movie with her five-year-old sister Cheryl the younger girl screamed and ran to a
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neighbor's home telling him her sister had been grabbed by a man wearing glasses
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about seven hours after the abduction two raccoon Hunters found Nancy's body in a wooded area near Paulding
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authorities found little evidence at the scene they were left with little else other
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than the words of a five-year-old armed with the description the sheriff's department and Paulding
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police began a canvas of The Villages then 2 300 residents seeking information Paulding County Sheriff John Keeler said
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the only apparent motive was a sexual attack early in the investigation he said he
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had uncovered several Clues Keeler said they were compiling a list of possible suspects
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those persons will be interviewed and at the start of the investigation he said the suspect list was composed
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mostly of names of persons convicted of other crimes and the sparsely populated Paulding area
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the murder was the first in the village of Paulding in six years while lawmen continued their
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around-the-clock investigation the residents of Paulding were badly frightened by the abduction and murder
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of the High School freshman and held divided opinions concerning the Killer some persons believe the crime was
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committed by a local man While others wondered if the crime was committed by a crazed man traveling through the area
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Nancy eagleson was born and raised in Paulding Services were held in the First Church
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of Christ where she regularly attended the murder case is now 62 years old and it remains unsolved for now
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today the sheriff of Paulding County is Jason Landers and he told me this is the
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most emotional and heartbreaking case in our County's history this True Crime garage
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[Music] this week we will be talking about an Ohio Cold Case that is heating up once
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again up until May of this year I had never heard of this case before and while it was a case I never knew yet it
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is a case that so many refuse to forget that is the shocking and horrifying murder of 14 year old Nancy eagleson the
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crime that forever changed the village of Paulding Ohio now going back to 1960 the village of Paulding then had about 2
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300 residents but the population for the entire County of Paulding was less than
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17 000 people Paulding is in the northwest of Ohio the county line to the West is
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also the state line into Indiana and then from roughly the center of Paulding Village if you drive one hour going
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north you are in Michigan so because of the location of the Village and because of the County's close proximity to state
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lines our true crime mystery will take us into some other states earlier this year the captain and I were in Vegas
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this was the last weekend of April for the 2022 crime con event hey what happens Vegas stays in Vegas and so the
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way that we found out about this case was at crimecon there is a relatively new website called uncovered uncovered
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is working to put together the most comprehensive website database of cold cases and missing persons from all over
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the country now this is quite the undertaking because experts estimate that based on information from the
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Uniform Crime reporting program from our friends at the FBI data shows that in our country the greatest of Nations we
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currently have approximately 250 000 unsolved murders a number that increases by about six thousand each
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year so Nancy's case is just one of many many thousands but we say Cold Case here and
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this case is heating up quite a bit and we may just finally be able to get some answers for Nancy's family primarily her
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sisters Merrell and Cheryl remember back to today's trailer Cheryl was with Nancy the night that she was
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abducted but back to uncovered.com one of the Architects behind the uncovered website is from Paulding and she
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approached the porch light project and True Crime garage at crimecon and said hey have you ever heard of this case so
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that's how we got to where we are today Captain eyeballs deep in this case that I think has some meat on the bone this
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case can still be solved for those who don't know what the project porch light is can you explain it to them so the
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porch light project is a organization the True Crime garage has been tied to and involved with for several years now
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in the porch light project offers Victim Advocacy to family members of victims of
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cold cases and some of the services that they can offer to victims into their families is DNA testing in cold cases
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ground searches for somebody that may be still missing or offering trained canines in a team of of volunteers to
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assist with ground searches and also renewed media attention to a case so when a case goes cold it also goes cold
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in the media and it's good to remind everybody that this case still exists it's still unsolved and these people
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still need your help the Public's help and they need law enforcement's help so at porchlight they are there to assist
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the victims victims families and law enforcement with cold cases specific to the state of Ohio and if anybody wishes
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to make a donation or if you are a person who is personally connected to an Ohio Cold Case and you would like to
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submit a case you can go to porchlightonline.org to learn more and we've been able to cover some of the
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cases that you guys have worked on which then drums up interest it drums up people talking about the case and
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possibly some leads as well so let's dive into this case let's dive into the timeline of Nancy eagleson Nancy
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eagleson was kidnapped and murdered in rural Paulding Village Ohio in 1960 her five-year-old sister Cheryl was the only
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witness to this now 62 year old Cold Case the date was Sunday November 13 1960. the day began as a typical Sunday
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for 14 year old Nancy and the eagleson family Nancy attended church and then had a meal with her family afterward
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Nancy and her five-year-old sister Cheryl went to a local movie theater which is a few blocks away from their
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home so all of the general reporting captain on this case says just blocks away which is absolutely true but to
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give a little more perspective it's approximately a half of a mile from the eagleson home to the theater and
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according to my little map app it is about a 10 to 12 minute walk but probably a little slower with a
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five-year-old walking with you Nancy and Cheryl were there to see a double feature at the theater so they are there
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at the theater for a considerable amount of time but shortly after the movies the
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two had just left the double feature Nancy and Cheryl decided to get sodas from a local restaurant before they
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started their walk home at the local restaurant the girls talk to some friends and some other people
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from Paulding now it's about 7 p.m and it's starting to get dark and this is when they began their walk from the
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restaurant nearby is Paulding bowling alley Nancy and Cheryl's father Donald eagleson was
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working at the bowling alley that night now from my understanding Captain this is more of a second job and Donald works
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for a more traditional nine to five type job elsewhere during the week right so the girls stopped by to talk to their
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dad now even though they don't have very far to walk Nancy thought that they would stop by
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this is because Nancy was wearing new shoes with a heel and as The Story Goes they stopped by
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their father's work to see if he would drive them home there's a couple of problems you know this story is a little
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more complicated than just oh my my feet might be hurting from these new shoes would you drive us home Donald is still
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working at the time right he's still on the clock so he's not able to give them a ride home from the bowling alley but
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part of the story that gets lost along the way is not that Dad told him no it was more of a situation of yeah if you
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could just wait 40 minutes or 30 minutes until the end of my shift I'll drive you guys home
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with me I'm leaving anyway the girls didn't want to wait they're little kids kids hate waiting so
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they didn't want to wait and so they turned down the ride they don't want to wait so from the bowling alley
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out into the dark and down the road they go again we have Nancy she's 14 we have
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Cheryl she's five they're leaving the bowling alley they're going to head east on East Jackson Street they're gonna go
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past the old Iron Bridge this is really a pretty quick walk from the center of town so they are walking eastwardly on
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East Jackson Street and from my understanding back in 1960 there was an old not still in operation gas station
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called P lock that was located on the corner of East Jackson Street and Flat Rock Drive so there would have been a
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driveway and a little lot right there on the corner of these two streets well the girls need to go on Flat Rock
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Drive they live on Flat Rock Drive so naturally with there being a driveway in a parking lot there right there on the
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corner they're going to kind of cut through and cut the corner a little bit of these two streets so the girls are
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cutting through and they are walking the driveway of the old p-lock station now the girls as said live on Flat Rock
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Drive once they get past the p-lock station they only have about six houses to go past p-locks and then they are
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home there there are houses that line both sides of this street so if you are traveling north as they were on foot the
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girls live on the left hand side of the street now one of the details in this case that
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I think can be and is very important the house where the girls live is on that Flat Rock Drive
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at this point in our timeline this is the street that the girls are walking on this Flat Rock Drive is also state route
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111. Ohio State Route 111 runs between the Indiana state line and Defiance Ohio most of the route is a rural two-lane
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Highway and it passes through both farmland and Residential Properties as the girls are cutting through p-locks
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they notice a car parked in the driveway there according to statements later given by Cheryl there was a man sitting
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in a car in that car that was parked there they walked past the car and passed the law on the corner and
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they passed a small house on their left they're getting closer to their home this is when the girls noticed a car was
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following them now to be perfectly clear here it's never been reported that the car at
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p-locks and the car following them is the same right but to me it it feels kind of right you know they're not
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terribly far from p-locks when they they get this feeling that a vehicle is following them Cheryl said that the car
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following them really kind of spooked both of the girls because the car was kind of slowly idling behind following
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behind them so the car pulls up alongside of the girls some of the reporting out there
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states that the man driving the car asks for directions but that doesn't seem to
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be the case because according to Cheryl the man asked the girls if they wanted a
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ride to which the older sister Nancy replied no thank you we are almost there which is both true and Incredibly sad
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because this is all going to go down really just a handful of houses away from the two
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girls being home one also as you get older you have spider senses and so you know when something doesn't feel right
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you know when this person that just claims to be asking for directions you know when there's something more
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dangerous about them that's true and think of this situation it's dark out we have two children walking together and
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look cars don't follow pedestrians very often especially ones that the pedestrians do not recognize and then
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when the person pulls up alongside of you and you do not recognize them and they engage you in conversation
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yeah you're probably probably very concerned at this point and obviously Nancy's going to be thinking more about
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this than her five-year-old sister is going to be but she's one she's not strong enough to defend herself against
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adult male but she can't run because she has to protect her five-year-old sister
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so after they turn down the offer of a ride with the strange man this man stops his car and in a hurry he gets out runs
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over to Nancy and grabs her forcing her into the car on a well-lit street in full view of seven homes Cheryl tried to
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grab the man but he threw her down to the ground Cheryl then ran screaming to the safety of a neighbor's house only to
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see the car drive away with Nancy in the back seat do we know what time roughly this kidnapping took place I think
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roughly is a good word to put it because as the sheriff would later say according
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to the sheriff the abduction occurred at approximately 7 40 PM there is one little hiccup here though because there
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was a slight delay in reporting the abduction and this was no one's fault but the
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delay came because Cheryl ran to the closest neighbor's house and again it was 1960 so not everyone has a home
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phone back then yeah just the fancy people Nancy was abducted right in front of the home of Mr and Mrs Larson so
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Cheryl ran to that home and she screamed at the homeowners now this is Mr Mrs Larson John Larson and Betty Larson and
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these people are essentially neighbors of the eaglesons right there are only several houses away from being home they
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know the Larson's quite well well also like you said it's 1960 so what's fascinating to me about this case is
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there's so many things that are different like today in the case you'd be looking for DNA for example they
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didn't really have that technology back then and also just like you said some of
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these people in this neighborhood they don't have phones and I don't know that this is 100 the case but I believe at
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the time on the street a lot of those homes were being rented and that might be why you know people weren't as
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grounded back then when you were renting and maybe you didn't bother to set up a
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home phone or it was too expensive but also it's 1960 and so what was more commonplace you'd know your neighbors
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and if it was me and I needed to communicate I'd simply open up a window and just start yelling like Rocky hey
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Paulie it's me Rocky I'll call you later so what they have to do here is Cheryl runs to the neighbors that she knows and
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trusts and again the abduction takes place nearly right in front of their home and it's through tears it's fighting
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through tears that she tells Mr and Mrs Larson what had happened and that a man took her sister Nancy right so the
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larsons take Cheryl and they drive to the nearest phone and call the police the village of
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Paulding does have a police department today and even back then but there was maybe like three guys that
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worked there and as we have seen in some of the cases some of these older cases it's probably just two dumb guys in a
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garage with funny outfits that we've covered here in the garage sometimes on a Sunday night they will take emergency
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calls but might not have anyone actively working or patrolling because it's sleepy Town America nothing's really
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going on there's no need for the law at those hours until there's an emergency but also at the same time and this is
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what's weird to me if this were to have been a local person the suspect there's not a great law enforcement
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presence in this County because there's very few people that live in the entire County at the time but out of all the
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places in the county this seems like a very risky or more risky place to commit such a crime if you planned it out
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because you have the village of Paulding Police Department you also have the county of Paulding
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Sheriff's Department that is housed right there in the little village so at the same time you got the police
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department and the sheriff's department is in Paulding as well in 1960 they have
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the Sheriff John Keeler and he's got I believe two or three deputies of his own so that is three or four at the
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sheriff's department for the entire County I'm not sure which of the two agencies was called but both sprung into
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action as soon as the call went out so the law is now out and rushing around they're looking for Nancy they're
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looking for the dark colored car that was described by her little sister Cheryl and they're looking for the man
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that took Nancy and of course really looking for anyone who may have seen Nancy or knows anything at all
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[Music] foreign [Music] [Music] take me [Music] welcome back cheers everybody cheers to you Colonel cheers to you
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Captain tall cans in the air to all the good listeners out there just a quick reminder before we jump back into this
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week's case if you are listening to this on Tuesday August 23rd when this episode
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drops Unfortunately today marks 30 years since Tammy zawicki was abducted and killed we covered her case and several
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others in the Americas Highway serial killers episodes we did four parts on that story that is episodes 590 through
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593 released in June of this year if you haven't listened to those yet give it a
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listen please we're now at 30 years on Tami zawiki's Cold Case so 14 year old Nancy was walking with her sister
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five-year-old Cheryl they get almost back to their house they were followed by a car this person and ask for
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directions and then jumps out of the car kidnaps Nancy Cheryl runs to a neighbor's house they then make a call
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to law enforcement law enforcement is now out looking for this kidnapper yeah and this is one of those cases where you
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know we find these little tidbits of sad information in some of these cases that
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we cover and Nancy's case is just really full of them unfortunately because think
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about this situation and now all of the cases that we cover are unfortunate they're all sad they're all
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heartbreaking cases just like Tammy's a wikis that we just mentioned coming back
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from the break but in Nancy's case there are very few cases that I can think of that we've covered that there
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was a a sibling a tiny child walking with the person who gets abducted right and mind you just minutes before the
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abduction takes place their father was presented with a possible opportunity to drive his
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children home and he says hey I gotta finish out my shift and the girls say well we don't
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feel like we don't feel much like waiting and so they went on they went on ahead and then mom is at home just about
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four or five houses away from where they are abducted they're abducted on a well-lit street in front of the view of
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six or seven other homes like you said in so many cases there's these what if this would have happened moment what if
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this would have happened and those people sometimes get trapped in those what-ifs for the rest of their
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lives and can you imagine the heartache and the guilt felt by Nancy's family but
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especially her little sister Cheryl who was there that night when it went down and what we will later see and will
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continue to go through the timeline here Captain but one thing that we're going to see in this case that is incredibly
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sad and unfortunate for the investigation as well is that Cheryl is so little she's such a young child at
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the time and this all happened so very quickly that she's able to provide some details to law enforcement but not a
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whole lot of details that are going to help them when it comes to trying to find the person who did this the other
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thing that's incredibly shocking in this case and it's something that we don't see very often
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in cases that we've covered but the search for Nancy or the vehicle that took her it's not a very lengthy one
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you know sometimes it can be days or weeks or unfortunately months or even longer before our victim is found now
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we're not happy about the result obviously here but the Frantic search for Nancy ended
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when not more than seven hours later two raccoon Hunters this is Joseph offerense and Kenneth Nelson
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they find Nancy's body her body was located in a clearing in a heavily wooded area she was lying about
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100 feet from the road she was partially clothed with some of her clothing lying nearby
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at first the two Hunters thought that what they were seeing was a discarded Halloween costume keep in mind this is
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early November so Halloween costume makes a little bit of sense right they get closer and it it is
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not anything that anybody would want to find it's not a mannequin the road that we
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are talking about and this goes back to something that I think might be key here
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in this case especially when we get to the suspect portion of it this was Paulding County Road 176.
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so I'm gonna have to try to explain this visual to all of the listeners out there
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captain and you know how great I am at doing this yeah some say you're the van Gogh of painting
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pictures with words right I would recommend that you pull up the village of Paulding on your favorite map app
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that you use and look this up but it will make a lot of sense but it will also and I recommend for the listeners
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to cut their ears off like like Van Gogh before before we get to the painting of
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the picture it will also present several questions to the listeners as well so Paulding County
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Road 176 is where the body's found about 100 feet from the road Flat Rock Drive as we explained is the
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road that Nancy and Cheryl live on with their family and Flat Rock Road is also state route
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111. now where the abduction takes place is on the left hand side of the road if you
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are traveling north on Flat Rock Drive slash state route 111. the suspect's car after putting Nancy into the back seat
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then drives and continues North on Flat Rock Road it's pretty much a straight shot after you go around one
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curve there but once you get going you're going to come to a stop sign and I don't know if
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there was even a stop sign back then there is one there now and once you get to that stop sign you make a left to
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continue on State Route 111. if you don't make a left at that stop sign you just go straight and that road becomes
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Paulding County Road 176. so while the road has a different name when you look at it on a map
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it essentially looks like the same road right Nancy's basically abducted thrown into this car the driver speeds
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off but he never really goes anywhere as far as we know right we have seven hours
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that expire between the time of the abduction roughly seven hours between the time of the abduction and when her
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body is found but if you go from point A to point B we're pretty much talking about the same
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road yeah but that makes me wonder because we do have that seven hour time Gap did
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this person live close or know of a secluded area that he took her to first and then dumped her body basically in
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the same area the Paulding County Sheriff John Keeler who was going to oversee this
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investigation this was this was really probably too big of a case too complicated of a case for the
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sheriff's department but it was certainly most certainly too big and complicated of a case for the Little
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Village Police Department so the county sheriff is going to oversee this case and I really think
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there's some debate on how good of a job he did per the residence perspective and we'll get into that as we continue
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along but immediately one thing that he did do and this is where I give praise to John Keeler is he immediately called
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in the Ohio State Patrol to come in and assist in this investigation assist in some type of Manhunt for whoever took
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her that didn't happen a lot back in 1960. Sheriff's departments chief of police back then they didn't
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call in other agencies so quickly here he does that and this is from a statement from the
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daily Advocate newspaper out of Greenville and it says Nancy's death was the first
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murder of this type in this Northwestern Ohio community of 2300. most of the local authorities have never
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investigated a murder I wanted to make sure that we included that statement from the daily Advocate because my
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suspicions right away when learning about this case was just that I had wondered if any of these guys had ever
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investigated a murder before and that statement that we just read was from a paper a local paper local to Northwest
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Ohio anyway and that statement made at the time of the murder now unfortunately mistakes and errors will occur in a
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homicide investigation and homicide investigations but you may end up with even more errors due to the lack of
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experience right but just because you've never worked a case before it doesn't mean you're incapable of solving one
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but like you said you're probably more capable of making more mistakes the other thing too and thank you for
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pointing that out Captain for this lack of experience you cannot blame law enforcement it's not their fault that
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they live in a nice area where the most violent of crimes is not being committed
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also the lack of crime in the area can bolster the idea that law enforcement in the area are in fact doing a great job
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but also some of the techniques that you use to solve a crime that's not a murder
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you can use to solve a murder case one of the very first errors that I see in this investigation comes from the crime
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scene our longtime listeners know that when we are talking about an abduction murder
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case we are talking about multiple crime scenes first in this situation we have the scene of the abduction almost right
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in front of the Larson's home second we have the perpetrator's vehicle this is one of the tools used by the
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killer to take Nancy away and take her to the next location which likely is our third and final crime scene this is the
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location where Nancy's body was found and we will Circle back around and talk about the possibility of a fourth crime
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scene but before we do because we are talking about mistakes made in the investigation
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the first one I see is they should have had some tire tracks I would have thought that you could find
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tire tracks at the abduction scene crime scene number one right and I definitely
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definitely think you would have found tire tracks from the suspect's car where Nancy's body was found very possible but
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you also have to take into account that she was only 14 years old so she's not going to weigh a lot I bet she was under
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90 pounds so you can carry the victim pretty easily but yeah tire tracks maybe even
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Footprints and that's the thing Captain you're exactly right Nancy eagleson was listed at 85 pounds approximately at the
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time of her death so yes it wouldn't have been terribly difficult to carry her the 100 feet from the roadside and
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place the body there there's also a chance that she was alive before getting to where she's eventually
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found the thing though that makes it difficult for me to look at this situation and go man we missed out on
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something potentially big here for our investigation is let's go back to Crime Scene number one where the abduction
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took place it is possible and based off of the recollection of the five-year-old Cheryl
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our witness it's not clear if the driver and their vehicle stopped off of the road or not they may have still
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completely been on the road or been on gravel there's seeing the location as it is today
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it's not clear that the driver would have had to pull into the dirt or the mud or the grass right
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now when we go out to Crime Scene number three where Nancy's body is later located
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you know we say Paulding County Road 176. I would be shocked you know I'm a betting man Captain I
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would wager a 50 bill right now that that road was probably not a paved road back in 1960. big spin was probably
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gravel would be my guess probably and 100 feet from the road it would make sense to me if the killer
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in the abductor took her immediately from point A to point B from abduction scene to where she was
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eventually found right I think that the killer would have had to pull off of the
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road because of the way that it's situated law enforcement keep in mind shortly after by 8 pm at the latest
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they're hopping in their cars and they're driving out looking for one the car that took Nancy
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two Nancy standing on the side of the road somewhere because the captor abductor Let Her Go
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those are the two main things that you're looking for if you drove out to the abduction scene and you know which
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direction the vehicle went you're going to continue naturally going down that road
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it's a straight shot once you get past those curves to where a vehicle would have been
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parked had it remained on the road to carry her to where she's later seen the story ends completely different if they
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spot that car shortly after the abduction but where we're going there are no roads and it's not super late so
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there's still people out and about doing things so there's a possibility that we
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would have had an eyewitness of that vehicle being parked for a time period there was a tree stump
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that was in the general area of where Nancy's body was located and one of the old statements from the
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investigation and from that crime scene was that there was some kind of paint on that tree stump
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now nobody can say for certain but there's a thought that in the dark that the abductor did not see that tree
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stump and may have brushed up against it with the car leaving a paint mark on the
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tree stump or even ran over that tree stump well that'd be a great piece of evidence to test right exactly and the
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thing is we've discussed this a hundred times here in the garage maybe a billion
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police love looking for a vehicle yes police are very good at finding vehicles and had they had tire tracks
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there's a good chance that they would have known what kind of vehicle to hone in on
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but they didn't have that and I think that was a misstep here in this investigation
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now November and Ohio Means lots of leaves on the ground yeah hoodie weather pumpkin spice lattes and then where
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Nancy was found all kinds of people were coming in trying to help we're talking about this is the state police family
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members were on the scene the newspapers the hunters that were there so where she was found was not secured
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by police they didn't know better and so the crime scene was not going to be incredibly helpful in a case where you
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already have very little to work with from the very beginning unfortunately this was a murder that happened
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I believe everything went down rather quickly and in the process the killer left few Clues behind
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it's a complicated case a complicated investigation and when you fail to locate and document the suspect's cars
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tire tracks left behind you severely compromised your investigation well I hate to keep bringing it up but your
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other eyewitness is five years old so you have to be very careful when you're questioning a young person because you
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don't want to be so suggestive that they just start telling you information that's not actually true but just things
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that they might think you want to hear and I and I want to Circle back to something that you had mentioned earlier
00:42:14
Captain which I think is something very interesting to contemplate here in this case could there have been a possible
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fourth crime scene we talked about the abduction site the abductor's vehicle is crime scene number two and then we are
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calling the location of her body where her body is found that is our final crime scene but could
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there be a situation where the abductor took Nancy somewhere before taking her to that final site I
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think it's likely it's it's a possibility and it could explain why they didn't see a car on that County
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Road that what I believe to be an unpaved Road out near where her body was later
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found right so maybe maybe the suspect's card never goes off-road never leaves any tire tracks in the dirt or the mud
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or up near her body and that's why they didn't see a vehicle there if they would
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have just gone right to that that again today it's a four-way stop I don't think they would have had a
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four-way stop back then but if they would have gone up to that that part right there that four-way stop
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and it would be a natural place to go you've been told that she was abducted and the the attacker took her North
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continued on State Route 111. you would go out there looking for that vehicle and even if you only got to that
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four-way stop so that you could turn around and head back into town and look elsewhere
00:43:47
if the vehicle was sitting on the road you would have spotted it so there's a reason why they didn't spot
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that vehicle when they were out looking for Nancy either a it wasn't there and there is in fact the fourth crime scene
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or B he took the car and went off the road with it so it would not be seen from that four-way stop and just imagine
00:44:09
what the neighbors are going through imagine what her father is going through I mean you you want to find this
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individual rip their throat out you want to kill this individual they just took your child from you the other
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thing that's very complicated when we try to review this case here Nancy eagleson's case
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is I do not have a great understanding of if she was killed in a vehicle killed elsewhere or killed where she was found
00:44:42
there's some debate about that there are people out there that have followed this
00:44:46
case from Jump Street that insist that she was probably killed shot and killed in a vehicle there are other people that
00:44:54
believe she was killed near where she was found and then you have the other argument if in fact there was a fourth
00:45:01
crime scene additional crime scene she could have been killed at that location and I don't know if they know
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this or if this was a misstep but you would think that there would be some evidence at the crime scene to let us
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know if she was just dumped there or if it was actual crime scene what would follow Captain would be an extensive
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search of every local vehicle that matched the description that was provided to law enforcement by our
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surviving eyewitness Cheryl this was a big undertaking the other thing they did was multiple interviews
00:45:37
with community members and they say that that line community members but this was everybody from
00:45:45
prominent figures in the community well-liked upstanding citizens to known criminals in the area as well later
00:45:54
Cheryl would even be put under hypnosis in hopes that she could recall details from the kidnapping that she had
00:46:01
previously been unable to report to the authorities the thing that happens very early on in this case though that is
00:46:09
incredibly interesting is from a newspaper article that came out on November 15 1960 this is from a
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newspaper in the great state of Indiana well keep in mind that she was kidnapped
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on the 13th and then her body was found a little bit later on the 14th so this news is coming out pretty quickly very
00:46:29
quickly and the headline reads two slangs committed by same killer question mark and this is a new story out of the
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great City of Chicago and the article reads Illinois authorities Monday checked in Ohio slaying in an attempt to
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ascertain whether the killer might also be the same man saw in the death of a nine-year-old Chicago girl and it goes
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on to say Captain James McMahon chief of detectives said several similarities were noted between the slangs of Gloria
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kowalowitz age nine in Chicago and Nancy eagleson age 14 of Paulding Ohio have we got a killer traveling
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cross-country McMahon wondered aloud before reporters [Music] thank you so much for joining us here in
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the garage make sure you come back tomorrow we got so much more to get to in this case and until then be good be
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kind and don't live foreign [Music]