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talk some true crime foreign [Music] Bakersfield California is a city of 380 000 about a hundred miles north of Los
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Angeles Bakersfield is the county seat of Kern County and the ninth largest city in California
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it's considered to be a pretty wholesome family values type of town but in the late 1970s and early 80s
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something strange was going on a series of murders began these murders had just enough similarities and just
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enough linking them to make people wonder are they connected now no one shared suspicions that an
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undetected serial killer was at work this was something totally different something very strange and something
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very rare what we have here is a faint pattern to the killings suggesting an underlying darkness something deep down
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at their root what would emerge was an old boy's Network a dirty club with members
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scattered amongst the upper echelons a Baker's Field's power elite a ring populated by public officials
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entrusted city leaders but this network wasn't just about cronyism or corruption
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at its route was pedophilia this True Crime garage and this is the story of the Lords of
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Bakersfield [Music] Bakersfield California 1978. the city was described by CNN as
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clean safe Conservative Republican and religious yet over a span of seven years from 1978 to 1985 there were five
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unusual murders the cases are explored in a sensational 2003 expose that ran in the local paper the Californian written
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by Robert Price a columnist for the paper and was assisted by assistant managing editor Lois Henry many of the
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facts stated here by us come from this lengthy and scandalous column on January 4th 1978 a gardener working
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on a property for a house on Beach Street in Bakersfield could not help but notice blood seeping out from under the
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back door of the house this alarming site caused the gardener to call the police officers rushed to the house and
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after making their way into the home they found a man lying on the floor covered in blood
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the man was naked and it appeared he had been beaten and stabbed but somehow he was still alive he was unresponsive
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paramedics arrived on the scene almost as soon as police when they found the man who was barely still clinging to
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life they went to work applying life-saving efforts and then they rushed him to the hospital now the gardener
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told police that the home belonged to a man named Tommy Tarver the badly beaten man was quickly identified to be in fact
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Tommy Tarver yeah Tommy was in his 40s but he's pretty well known in the community he was also doing pretty well
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financially Tommy owned a popular hair salon called Mr T Worchester located on F Street in Bakersfield this Salon was
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frequented by many of the Rich and Powerful in town it appears Tommy lived alone he had been married twice before
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both ending in separation or divorce and Tommy was living an openly gay lifestyle
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now we said he was unresponsive in fact he was in a coma and remained so for about five days until he died from his
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injuries that he suffered during this heinous attack police were looking for a suspect and
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the neighborhood was in shock police canvassed the area talking to anyone in close proximity wanting to know did
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anyone see or hear anything strange leading up to their gruesome findings inside the house on Beach Street
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a couple that lived nearby told police that the night before a man in his early to mid-20s knocked on their door asking
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if they could call him a cab to which they agreed to help according to the papers they did not
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notice anything strange about his appearance however while the man remained at the doorway while they were
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placing the call for the cab something fell from one of the man's pockets it was a silver spoon
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after calling for the cab this was the last that the couple saw of this man spoon was later found by police
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now that same day police got a big lead in what would later turn out to be a homicide
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investigation this lead came by way of a traffic stop when an officer pulled a vehicle over the officer very quickly
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discovered two things way out of the ordinary first the car was stolen and its rightful owner was Tommy Tarver
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the man they found attacked in his home who is now in a coma lying in a hospital
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bed just a couple days away from Death behind you the second thing that they noticed was that the vehicle was being
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operated by a 13 year old boy this is 13 year old Robert Glenn Mistral he was caught behind the wheel of a
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soon-to-be Dead Man's stolen vehicle so we have 13 year old Robert that's driving this guy's car that was
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viciously attacked but he also has some of his items in the car with him so of course police wanted to know everything
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and young Robert did seem to have quite a bit to tell them Robert admitted to knowing the much older Tommy Tarver and
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in fact admitted to going to his home Robert told the police he had been living in seedy hotels with his
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alcoholic mother Robert said he got by on selling sexual favors to men for money and had been doing so since he was
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just 11 years old so Robert and his mother were living or staying however you choose to look at it
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at the Rancho Bakersfield Motel now according to Robert this is where he met Tommy Tarver this was some time before
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the actual attack Tommy offers to pay Robert to mow his lawn and Robert agrees but according to
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Robert as soon as he gets to Tommy's house Tommy starts putting the moves on him now Robert looks like a good suspect
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so far right he's caught driving Tommy's car with items belonging to Tommy but here's where the timeline for the night
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of the attack this is where it gets a little wonky a taxi driver told police that on that night the night of what
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would turn out to be a murder he drove Tommy a man in his 40s and 13 year old Robert to Rancho Bakersfield Motel
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coffee shop around 11 30 PM this Motel was apparently a meeting place for men in town many of whom were living secret
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double lives the cabbie said he later drove Tommy and a different escort home this was 24 year old William Kenneth
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Manley a university student from Santa Rosa William Manley was also staying at the Rancho Bakersfield motel and there
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he said he met Tommy at the bar the two decided to go clubbing but Tommy wanted to stop at his house first to
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change his clothes while there manly witnessed two other men arrive then argue with Tommy and then one of them
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began engaging in sex with Tommy manly decided to leave but not before pocketing about a thousand dollars worth
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of silverware and jewelry from the home on his way out because of the witness this is the couple that identified manly
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as the man who stopped and asked to call a cab he was arrested and charged with the
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murder of Tommy Tarver mistrell the 13 year old was charged only with burglarizing Tommy's home and
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Tommy's hair salon as well apparently the salon was an easy target for Robert because he had a key to get into the
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place now it's unclear if Tommy ever gave him the key or my guess is that Robert got the key when he burglarized
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and then had the keys to Tommy's Car at the trial Manley's defense tried to claim that Robert Mistral had been with
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Tommy earlier that night and was possibly a suspect but the deputy D.A convinced the judge
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not to let Robert be questioned in the end manly was acquitted of the murder of Tommy Tarver and Robert got
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six months in the San Felipe boys home a Kern County Youth facility for the burglary charges
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the murder of Tommy Tarver remains unsolved at the time of course this was a shocking murder but no one realized
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that this would be the first in a series of killings involving what later would appear to be an underground community in
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Bakersfield Glenn Fitz was well at least according to one article this article described him as quote a
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pillar of the law enforcement Community end quote he was the former director of the Kern County Police Academy a member
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of the Bakersfield Police commission and recently retired police science instructor from Bakersfield College
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unfortunately Glenn's wife passed away so by April 1979 he was 56 years old retired and Living Single
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around this time he started hanging out in a nearby park where he was interacting with the teenagers there
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he would routinely invite local teens back to his place well that's not creepy at all no come on over come hey I'm
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going to just hang out at the park and stare at kids all day back then they didn't even have cable he started
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hosting parties with teenagers and this is what was expected well the short of it is he was trading things like beer
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alcoholic drinks and pot for sex or sex acts with both teenage boys and possibly
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teenage girls as well on April 10 1979 Glenn threw a birthday party for one of his teen friends
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attending this party was about 20 teens some of them as young as 14 years old yeah come over let's have a party for my
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teenager friend where's the party at El crepo's house well at the party was a 14 year old
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named Dana Charlene Butler Dana went missing and it seems like the last time anyone remembers interacting
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with the young girl well Dana was alive and well and wantingly attended this very party
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it wasn't until three days later that she was found dead dumped in a park reports were that she was found with 30
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to 40 shallow knife wounds and two deep fatal wounds it appeared she was tortured before being killed and the
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body contained more evidence investigators found one of Fitz's pubic hairs as well as dog hairs from both of
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his dogs on the body this was the 70s and hair evidence was standard in lieu of yet to be developed
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DNA the police searched Fitz's home and just as suspected they found blood matching
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Dana's Witnesses told police investigators that Fitz replaced the plumbing fixtures and some carpeting
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inside the home just the day after Dana went missing with mounting evidence a grand jury was
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convened and they interviewed everyone this including Fitz and the plumber but just as this was really picking up speed
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it came to a screeching halt this is when the DA's office inexplicably declined to ask for an indictment for
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murder against Glenn Fitz the head of the Bakersfield Police Department detectives unit
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told the Californian the newspaper that he was baffled as to why charges weren't
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brought as in his opinion there was ample evidence and all of the files that he had seen
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now meanwhile the Californian reported that there was a suspect but never named Glenn Fitz as the suspect and they say
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this because he had not been named by police but nevertheless it appears that the whole town seemed to know who the
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suspect was parents knew that Fitz was the suspect and they started picketing around his
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house the county administration's building and right outside of the courthouse building as well again if you
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know this guy is a creep then why are you letting him why are you letting kids go to his house for a party it's
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ridiculous likely the if you're talking about the parents it's likely they were unaware that their children were going
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over to his house to get drunk and do drugs anyway these people these 200 people
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it's about 200 people that participated in these picketing events outside of the
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the two buildings and his home obviously they wanted an arrest made in this case
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they were calling themselves the mothers of Bakersfield examples of the mobs picketing signs well some of them read
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quote who is blocking the investigation question mark and DA office what are you
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afraid of question mark now the other thing here is the local sheriff's department they were very confident that
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Fitz was good for this crime and the DA's office and then the grand jury failed to bring an indictment so
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local law enforcement and I'm guessing that this was not public knowledge at the time likely this was probably more
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of a behind closed doors type of thing but it sounds to me like basically the local law enforcement was threatening
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the D.A okay so if you don't charge this man for the murder of this girl then we are going to push to charge the
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same man with any kind of lesser charge so at the very least we can make an arrest right right we're going to get
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this jackass no matter what that's basically what they're saying well I don't know if it was the mob of people
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or the behind the scenes activity that we just explained or if it was a combination of both but whatever it was
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it seems like the D.A hand was was forced because eventually the da press charges against fits but
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not for the murder of a 14 year old but instead for suspicion of Furnishing drugs to a minor so of course this is an
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extremely lenient charge based off of the general facts and evidence of the case but wouldn't they be able to like
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charge them with multiple accounts of this for like the parties and stuff that he was throwing I believe there were
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five charges that were pushed forth and three of them were felony charges now this did result in fits being arrested
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on May 21st apparently no indictment was ever handed down a Pulitzer prize-winning expose
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many years later on the corruption in Bakersfield stated that quote senior prosecutors withheld key evidence from
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the panel meaning the grand jury right I just wonder what his connection is to this prosecutor well he was
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retired law enforcement he held all three of those different positions throughout his career being the former
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director of Kern County Police Academy member of the Bakersfield Police commission and retired police science
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instructor from Bakersfield College no right rag I get that part but you just wonder how close these individuals are
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or if they're you know a part of some group outside of their jobs it really really makes you wonder right because
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what you're talking about is why the hell who cares if they had some kind of connection on a professional basis we're
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talking about murder here the murder of a child and we're also talking about evidence to point to him as being the
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very likely suspect right in this case now I understand that her body is found out in the park somewhere and but we
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have evidence of of him or or yeah man on the body right we got pubes well here's the other thing too
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this is one thing that I found very interesting okay so his his previous job of the police science instructor and
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then we have the neighbors claiming that he they were aware that he was replacing
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plumbing and carpeting inside his home yeah the day after it's believed that she went missing that seems like
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somebody with one okay look yeah if you got large blood stains everywhere no duh
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you you get rid of the carpet and try to replace that but on top of that factor in the the
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the job that he had a police science instructor he is aware of certain things that the general public would not be
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aware of and it makes you really wonder what what Plumbing fixtures was he replacing you know we've talked about
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some cases where the where law enforcement will go in with their texts and remove drains and drain pipes right
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because they know that they're going to find evidence down there and that's something that a lot of people don't
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consider when they're trying to cover up a homicide right so on you got that on the one hand you go okay well
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like you said replacing the carpet is not a big deal pipes you got to have some kind of knowledge about that but
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then you're going to leave pubes and dog hair on the victim seems to not make sense right
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um I mean a lot of this case is not going to make sense nobody I mean like that you you would do all these
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necessary steps you know to to your house but you want to do that to the to the actual crime
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scene I feel like what we have here is a man that panicked and thought that the first thing and most important thing to
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do at the fastest point was to get the body out of his house yeah and then went back in and tried to
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do damage control to his house now mind you he went to all this effort and and what did police find inside of his home
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blood that matched the same blood type as danus so do you know where they found that at I don't know it seemed like a
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lot of the the work that he was doing appeared to be taking place in the in the bathroom or the bathroom area of the
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home I couldn't find where they said specifically where the blood was in fact found but
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look I I believe 100 that she was probably killed in that bathroom or moved to the bathroom shortly after some
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kind of attack took place we're talking about possibly a prolonged torture that went
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on in this case as well from from what little we can see and observe in this case again sometimes when they're
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are those points of evidence they don't actually report on them now one thing that does go in the way of
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a defense for why maybe the D.A did not press charges or did not get that indictment that the public was so very
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eagerly seeking apparently there was some kind of quote screw-up that's that's how it's been reported as a
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screw-up at the coroner's office now apparently for some reason and I'm uncertain of
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their exact protocol back there and then but they failed to do a time of death test on Dana Butler
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uh so they they never established a time of death now this this only really becomes difficult once you do get to
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trial because with her missing for several days before her body's found your your you know Alibi or need for an
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alibi all that gets pretty dicey when you've not really honed in or even created a window of time for the
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possible time of death so there was also some doubts out there as to whether 56 year old Glenn Fitz who
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many say was in poor health with a heart condition if he could have in fact killed the girl and then disposed of her
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on his own well you know we we know that he was working out daily at the park within days of all of this mess here
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Glenn Fitz died of a gunshot to the Head leaving behind a strange note which read
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Dana Butler was last seen in front of a church between 11 39 and 12 30. I on the
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morning of April 9 was home waiting for and there the note ends the death of Glenn Fitz was officially ruled a
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suicide which we should point out some weird things with this as well because first Fitz's body was found Outdoors
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between his home and his neighbors and second a neighbor reported hearing two gunshots on that day
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now the murder of Dana Butler remains unsolved Glenn Fitz may have killed her or she may have been killed by someone
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else it does seem however whoever killed her did so inside Fitz's home this was the second case where an older
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man associated with teenage boys ended up dead and here again this man could have been preying on teens for sex
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to you Captain welcome now the next case we have here takes place in 1981. so we have 55 year old
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Edwin buck Edwin was the Personnel director for Kern County he was associated with a name we have
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heard before this is Young Robert mistrell at this time robber is about 17 years
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old and he told police that he met Buck at beach park in 1979 when he was 15. police were aware of activity at this
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park and actually warned Edwin buck and other men there numerous times about sexual activity and sexual activity with
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minor boys Robert hung out with buck on a few occasions a buck caught Robert stealing
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money and tools from him on one of these occasions and threatened to have Robert
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arrested for the theft a buck told Robert that he would not involve the police if Robert agreed to
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participate in making a porno movie with another young boy so always a good idea to throw blackmail
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in child pornography into the blender of totally effed up situations right yeah but you can't imagine I mean you're 17
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years old you stole some stuff the guy goes I'm going to the cops right or you can have sex with this kid
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like go to the cops [ __ ] you know what I mean yeah yeah and I think I don't want to get into that too
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much because I think there's there's a lot of there's more weight stuff to sift through before we before we get into
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some of that stuff but what we have here is Robert doesn't tell you know old nasty Uncle Buck to go to
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the police yeah instead he recruits a friend and this is 18 year old Roy carmanish
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but Roy wasn't recruited for the purpose of starring in a homemade movie he had an entirely different role to play
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so one night Robert invited Edwin Buck for a Moonlight Drive once they got out into a nice spot Buck pulled the vehicle
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over and parked the car Roy who was unbeknownst to Buck following them this is all a part of
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Robert's plan Roy pulled up in front of them Robert apparently knew what was going to go down because later he said
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he retreated to Roy's car this is where he sat so he would not have to see anything
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Roy was high on LSD at the time and attacked buck Roy stabbed Buck several times he hit
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him in the head with a hammer and he slit his throat the two boys then stuffed Buck's body
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into the trunk of Buck's car they drove the car back to Buck's home and parked it in the garage
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once there they robbed the house and set it on fire later investigators found Buck's body in
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the trunk of his burned out car this was three days later Robert and Roy were soon arrested
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and one of the bits of evidence that they found in this whole scenario was they found a microwave oven from Buck's
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home they found this at Robert's mother's place now this case was a media sensation for
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just about as many reasons as all of us could imagine Robert would be tried as an adult
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it seemed that he was suspected in the unsolved murder of Tommy Tarver as well this is because a hammer was also
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thought to have been used in that murder now at trial Robert and Roy they turned on each other
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Robert blamed Roy stating that Roy was the one that killed Edwin buck Roy's defense
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presented Robert's involvement not only in the Tommy Tarver murder that was still unsolved as but presented that as
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evidence that he was guilty of Edwin Buck's murder as well what came out of Robert's trial
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rather than just the facts surrounding the murder of Edwin Buck is why this case is famous right Robert had all
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sorts of first-hand stories to tell about secret homosexuality including sex with minors and all of the corruption
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among the elite in Bakersfield what he called the Lords of Bakersfield all right
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we need to provide some background information here so until these cases broke in the late
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70s and early 80s Bakersfield's Dirty Little Secret was just that it was a secret
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Whispers and rumors existed as far back as the 1950s of a loose network of powerful prominent white men who used
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their power and influence to protect each other and they harbored a dark secret they were into homosexual
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pedophilia in some cases and just sex with very young men and others stories about a so-called white Orchid
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Society were told in town for years but no one could really substantiate these Tales which were of a group of older
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male Predators victimizing young men and boys so then in 1985 there's a lawsuit by a
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former police officer which alleged a network of corruption favoritism and cronyism in Kern County
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a 2000 page exhibit to this lawsuit addressed a pedophile ring among the power elite
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using the term the Lords of Bakersfield the lawsuit was dismissed but the moniker stuck and the Lord's Legend it
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has its name the 2003 Californian expose about the Lords of Bakersfield describes
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it as formally the province of conspiracy theorists except that now it seemed there was some truth to the
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legend yeah it seemed like there was some validity to these stories but this this was a really hard case to research
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there's not a lot out there well and I want to go ahead and throw this out there for everybody listening and
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primarily for those that are already familiar with this case this is this is one of those weird situations where the
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tentacles of this story kind of spread far and wide and through a lot of different people a lot of different
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buildings organizations and such and it's also a story that may span not only a couple of decades but several decades
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I mean we have rumors go going back to the 1950s so anybody listening to our presentation of this story please keep
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in mind that there may be things that that could be connected to this things that might not be connected
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to this when you really look at this story and and you you realize that you have to present it in some form and in
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some light it gets difficult along the way to decide which portions to include and not to include the connections here
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are not always clear so if in our review of this case if you believe that we miss something we
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may have just it may just not have been presented us to have a clear connection or
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we had to pick and choose some of these to include and to not include right so the ones that we're going to go over
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here are the ones that that I could find were were for the most part believed or
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reported to be believed as part of this whole legend of the Lords of Bakersfield
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so let's go back to that murder trial right we have Robert mistrell the the the the the one that was involved in the
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first case that we talked about and now involved in being on trial for the murder of Edwin buck
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he testified to some bombshell information that's clear now although he was under 18 he claims that he slept
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with as many as 150 men in both Bakersfield and in Los Angeles he says many of these men were people of
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prominence in the community men who held positions of power and influence these men were politicians media judges
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attorneys County Executives and more and Robert took this a step further he named names
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now one of the names that he named was Edwin buck and Tommy Tarver of course here's where things get a little
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a little dicey here for me Captain go Harry I have a longer list of individuals that
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he named and I don't know that I don't know that they're all that they all should be named by by me I don't
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know that I feel comfortable naming all of them I will say that one of the other
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names that he mentioned was Glenn Fitz the ex-policeman or a police officer who was suspected in Dana's Dana Butler's
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murder the another interesting person that he names is Ted Fritz okay let's the different people Ted Fritz was the
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editor and co-owner of the Californian the the local newspaper that we've referenced more than once
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Fritz was Notorious in town for his legendary parties with the wealthy Elite and here again there are a lot of names
00:37:25
that are thrown out as having attended these parties and I will I refuse to name them here
00:37:32
because because of just this I don't want anybody to be under the assumption that any of these individuals are guilty
00:37:41
of anything at all just because they attended some party all right we're kind of seeing this in the media right now
00:37:47
with with the arrests and that the suicide of Epstein and having these black books and and all these people
00:37:55
connected you know you can't um I think it's irresponsible to just make the leap that some creepo has your
00:38:05
contact information and therefore that you're associated with every wrongdoing he he did I I think it's uh
00:38:14
irresponsible leap and we we need to look for more evidence correct and what what I will say here is look I'm not
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foolish enough to believe that nobody that attended one of Ted Fritz's parties is not guilty has never done a bad thing
00:38:28
in their life right you you know I I wouldn't believe that for one bit but as you pointed out I believe it's
00:38:35
irresponsible to throw out the suggestion that just because somebody attended a party that they had a there's
00:38:41
a deeper relationship there that they that whoever you know it's it's just downright wrong
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to to imply that anybody associated with an individual is guilty of all the same
00:38:54
things that that individual is likely guilty of right okay so his whole part in this story is he more so than these
00:39:03
these parties is that he's the editor and the co-owner of the California of that newspaper and I mean just browsing
00:39:11
this list these are names of people that are still alive and people that you would know by name I want to I want to
00:39:19
say this though as well the the list I'm looking at nobody on this list has ever been
00:39:26
convicted of anything you know heinous anything weird uh and to my knowledge has never even been suspected of
00:39:34
anything like that but of course because Ted Fritz is a powerful individual in this area many of these attendees would
00:39:43
be politicians law enforcement local government officials and so on now Robert mistrell's role at these parties
00:39:51
I guess he worked at these parties he says along with other boys his age and sometimes younger
00:39:58
his job was part of like the wait staff almost you know wait on the guest dress up in a tank top and shorts and be
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he said he was told to be accommodating of the male guest so Robert says in turn right check their
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coats and give them hand jobs uh we sure let me check your code stop saying jokes because I don't wanna I
00:40:23
don't wanna laugh this is a this is a very I mean it's so disturbing though it's
00:40:28
disturbing it's and it's a difficult it's a difficult thing to discuss a little bit here
00:40:35
um Robert says for whatever his job was at these parties right and we also gotta
00:40:41
we also gotta mention these are his claims right we have to then determine this guy's a thief a known Thief right
00:40:50
yeah he has some problems we we don't want to assume that all of all of his allegations are false though either I
00:40:58
mean or truthful I think I think there's a weird that we're we're waiting in weird Waters here right
00:41:05
hit well so Robert says in turn for his role at these parties he was provided with money temporary residence
00:41:14
at Fritz's mansion and he was also allowed to drive luxury cars now while Fritz remained the editor of
00:41:23
the Californian the paper stayed away from coverage of the Lords of Bakersfield so Fritz's bigger connection
00:41:32
seems to be that of a close connection to Robert mistrell according to Robert mistro
00:41:38
and the fact that he is pretty much running the California in the newspaper and many people suspect all these years
00:41:46
later that that's why that newspaper stayed away from you know thorough coverage of anything
00:41:53
that could possibly involve any of these Lords of Bakersfield or naming names or
00:41:58
throwing people under the bus and like I said I mean just a fine different sources about this case was
00:42:06
really difficult well one thing that is super interesting to me and I I'm gonna go out on the ledge here
00:42:15
and say that it's probably I think you're supposed to say out on a limb right not out on the
00:42:21
ledge no I think you can do I think you can go on out you can go on on anything you want go ahead and jump we don't care
00:42:27
my people say go out on a plank go out on a bridge um so this is where I think I'm I'm
00:42:35
starting to see some really strong evidence or at least people that are willing to take their
00:42:42
suspicions to the to the to the furthest out right so this man who's in charge of the
00:42:52
Californian of the newspaper he ends up dying of AIDS in 1997. his sister his flesh and blood his sister took over
00:43:01
as managing editor in 2003 she is the one that gave Robert Price the go-ahead to write the expose
00:43:11
on the Lord's even though it would point the finger at the paper that she was now
00:43:18
in charge of and her own brother yeah but if you know it's I I would think being related to him if
00:43:29
she knew that something wrong happened that at some point you have to allow that information to come out well
00:43:37
and I want to give her plenty of credit as well as the newspaper itself for writing or wrong you know and correcting
00:43:45
their missteps through through over the years but one of the most disturbing things that Robert attested to during
00:43:54
this trial was the wink and not Arrangement that allowed certain men to check out Court supervised juveniles
00:44:03
like library books from the boys home and returned them a few hours later but yeah well this was I took this from
00:44:14
Robert Price's article now mistrell alleged in the trial testimony and later in his own failed lawsuit against the
00:44:25
state that he and other boys were taken from the boys home under the excuse that
00:44:31
they were going to be given jobs but he says instead they were drugged sexually abused and forced to participate in porn
00:44:40
before being returned to the Boys Home home as if nothing happened yeah so that's awful so further Robert claims
00:44:49
that he was used as a scout to recruit other boys for parties thrown by these older men where young men were desired
00:44:58
to be amendable to their advances but Robert's trial testimony seems to have been shoved under the rug in other words
00:45:09
none of this Scandal really leaked out until much much later so at first we have no leakage and then
00:45:17
but then we have a lot of leakage well no investigation into his claims of abuse and statutory rape ever ensued
00:45:26
after the trial in the end 18 year old Roy pled guilty to first-degree murder and was sentenced
00:45:34
to life without parole and Robert was convicted of first-degree murder by a jury receiving a sentence of 31 years to
00:45:44
life while this is difficult too because you do want to believe somebody that is
00:45:49
accusing somebody of of these heinous crimes you don't want to think that somebody would go through this endure
00:45:56
this suffering and and just be making this stuff up right but then it becomes this this double-edged sword for me
00:46:05
where it's like you go well he's basically creating this giant conspiracy and then it's like well where's your
00:46:12
evidence of it well because it's such a giant conspiracy you'd go well that's why there's no evidence they don't want
00:46:18
this stuff to get out out there doesn't make does that make any sense makes total sense number one but then
00:46:25
let's add in to the fact that there doesn't seem to be any investigation into his claims so where you go all
00:46:33
right well are these allegations is this just a man that's on trial for first degree murder who's coming up with
00:46:40
with excuses excuses and maybe playing to the the crowd a bit and saying you know this this was a jury trial
00:46:50
um he's technically under the age of 18 even though he's going to be tried as an adult
00:46:57
you look look what you have here in the end you have an 18 year old Roy who pled
00:47:05
guilty and gets first degree murder uh well pled guilty to first-degree murder and was sentenced to life without parole
00:47:13
and then you have 17 year old Robert who is convicted of first-degree murder by a
00:47:19
jury receiving a sentence of 31 years to life think about those two scenarios real quick all right we have an adult
00:47:26
who pled guilty and received no you know leniency for him pleading guilty to where we have
00:47:36
to go through the trial and convict Robert of first-degree murder and he's actually shown some leniency for a
00:47:43
couple of reasons one probably because the jury even though he's being tried as an adult he's viewed as a child being 17
00:47:50
years old and on top of that the jury's probably viewing him as some some type of victim right so he gets 31 years to
00:47:58
life now keep in mind I do understand that the story being being put forth is that Robert
00:48:06
simply was involved in the plan that created this plan of murder and then sat by while it happened and then helped
00:48:15
dispose of the body right whereas Roy showed up and and really carried out this brutal brutal murder so I I get
00:48:25
that there is a difference there right but you're the reason that the vicious murderer is there though right correct I
00:48:31
mean Edwin Buck may have never been murdered at all let alone murdered by Roy yeah
00:48:37
you have had this Robert not set it up if I took Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted bunny to a party and it didn't end well that's
00:48:45
that's on me right that's all I'm saying so yeah this this is where it gets very
00:48:53
difficult and the other thing I want to point out too while we're on this whole thought is
00:48:58
you heard that number that that we pushed forward there was that he claimed Robert claimed like 150 men in both
00:49:07
Bakersfield and Los Angeles that he slept with before he was the age of 18. I'm not saying that Robert's lying I'm
00:49:15
just saying that's a very high number that's a very high number and there were a lot of people along the way that he
00:49:23
named that we didn't name and a lot of these people are involved in law enforcement and Prosecuting
00:49:32
criminals and things of that nature and at some point you start to go like you said
00:49:38
you want to believe him you want to say hey let's investigate these allegations and that's where I think this whole
00:49:46
thing went wrong that his allegations don't seem to have been investigated but then at some point you go 150 men
00:49:56
how can that be well and then on top of that you go every one of these people that he's
00:50:02
naming is involved in some they have they're in some you know line of power they right they they have their men of
00:50:11
influence and you start to wonder you can at some point it can't be everybody it's not everybody that's involved in
00:50:17
this well right and it's and I was I struggled with this a little bit this week because again you know I don't want
00:50:24
a victim blame at all you know if that's the case if these horrible acts happen to this kid or this kid was put into
00:50:31
these awful situations I want a victim blame but I think it's it's also a little different you're not just coming
00:50:38
forward and saying look this is what happened to me and here's the evidence we have somebody that is you know a part
00:50:46
of like a boy's home a part of a community where he's in and out of trouble so he's around he's Law
00:50:53
Enforcement Officers he's around people of power so when you end up getting caught with something you get and you
00:51:01
end up getting busted with something it's not that out of line to think maybe this kid is so messed up and has so much
00:51:11
um disdain for um Authority that he just goes look uh This One Cop he arrested me a long time
00:51:17
ago his name was uh Jack whatever right well he was in on it too he was having sex with boys all this this this teacher
00:51:27
that was mean to me oh yeah they were having sex with boys too you know it's not that far-fetched to to
00:51:33
think that that story could be created by a troubled youth and that's why these allegations really should have been
00:51:41
looked into further well they weren't investigated at all it seems like so they should have been
00:51:48
investigated look this is a story with with so many injustices but that is one of the big ones
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