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crime all right before we get too deep into this thing here Captain I want to go through a few notes regarding well
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let's call them updates regarding some of the characters that we have spoke of yesterday and last week um you know we
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did Cover a lot of ground over the last three shows a lot to talk about with the
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boys on the tracks here and yesterday you know with all those mysterious deaths and Mis dealings going on we kind
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of a little bit all over the place but we had to do them in an order that made sense to us as far as the way these
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people were dying and when they were dying off um but yesterday we did fail to mention
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that one more of the eyewitnesses the night that the boys were on the tracks uh is dead as well uh this is Tom new
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house uh he was the guy remember the boy that was in the bushes he was out with friends claim that he was looking for
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marijuana plants and happened to see teenagers on the tracks with several men uh one of those men he identified as Dan
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Haron and he knew Dan Harmon because Dan Harmon at one time had dated his mother
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so MH very obvious that he would be able to uh identify him well he one thing that we didn't talk about you know
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because he didn't come forward until 1993 and there there are some questions you know how legit is this story you
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know he comes forward six years after the fact well when he comes forward with the story now at the time the local
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investigators didn't put a whole lot of weight into his story so the FBI brings in Tom new house and they they conduct
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two lie detector tests with him and he passes both of them uh to the point where they want to put him in the
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witness protection program and they actually do so and that's why you find that when you look early back in this
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case and you're trying to investigate what's going on his name is actually not not submitted in a lot of those reports
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because he was in the witness protection program at some point he decides that he
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no longer wants to participate in that program but he stands by what he saw that night and his account of what he
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saw that night um unfortunately I he's currently deceased and I I'm not aware I couldn't figure out how he died I'm
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guessing it might be natural causes because obviously with all these other mysterious deaths we have some reporting
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on those situations let's discuss some of the key characters that weren't murdered uh well we have Charlene Wilson
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um remember we had said she's the eyewitness to Harmon being at the tracks as well
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remember we said she was locked up this was probably a method to hush her up uh the details of that are she was
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convicted of a firsttime drug offense and because she was prosecuted by Dan Harmon she received a 31-year sentence
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which absolutely seems very ridiculous to me for a firsttime drug offense but anyway in 1999 Arkansas Governor Mike
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Huckabee um he ended up reducing her sentence uh which did make her El eligible for parole which she was then
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granted so she's she's since been out of prison for that extremely long sentence
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that she received from Dan Harmon so they corrected the situation as best that they could as for
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Public Enemy Number One Dan Harmon uh in June 1st of 1997 the former prosecuting
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attorney Dan Harmon was found guilty of five of 11 federal felony charges MH including racketeering by he he used his
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office to get drugs and money uh so this is one racketeering conviction as well as a guilt as guilty verdicts on three
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counts of extortion and one count of possession with the intent to distribute marijuana and just quickly I mean this
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this is key evidence to back up everything that most people are speculating about this boys on the track
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case yeah and and to further that thought uh the family and the Henry family they both said that they've kind
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of reduced themselves to believing that they're never really going to get Justice for their sons yeah which is sad
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but but they believe that Dan Harmon being convicted of other nefarious activity that this kind of it vindicates
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them a little bit and it and it for them it at least backs up their beliefs and all their hard work that they've done
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trying to push their son's cases going forward yeah cuz he end up going to jail for a couple years and then he was
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released and then he actually went back to jail well so so on that first charge on that first bout of charges he got I
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believe a 10-year sentence on those charges uh but you're right he he serves his jail time he gets released and then
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a few years after that he does get arrested again and February 19th 2010 he is arrested on felony drug charges but
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we do have to be fair here Captain the state's case in this situation was pretty weak this was really a he said
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she said type of case looking for a conviction strictly where your only evidence is the testimony of an admitted
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drug addict uh she claimed that she had bought drugs from Dan Harmon he was acquitted of those charges by a jury of
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his peers well it seems like there's a little more to that story do you want to hear some of the details regarding those
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indictments against Dan Harmon from the first battle charges cuz I don't mind spending a couple minutes to rub his
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faing the mud a little bit here uh according to one indictment uh Deval and Harmon uh Deval was his wife at the time
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they had broke into the task force evidence locker and stole cocaine uh so that was that's one of the details there
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uh and another one of the acts um listed as retaliation against a witness this deals with oh really yeah this deals
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with Harmon's May 1996 assault on Arkansas Democrat Gazette Benton bureau chief Rodney Bowers right so Bowers is
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basically a reporter and he's reporting all the bad [ __ ] that Harmon's doing and
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then it pisses Harmon off so he attacks him yeah yeah he he goes up to Harmon trying to get a comment for an article
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and Harmon physically attacks the reporter right and we've we've heard this multiple times with these
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investigators claiming hey we started digging into some stuff with you know Don Henry's case and uh Kevin ives's
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case and right when we started doing that guess who starts making threats mhm I mean Dan Harmon was a I believe a
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cokehead and a and a real real douchebag well in another incident described in the indictment a woman named Tina Davis
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traveled to Arkansas from Indiana to deliver $10,000 to her husband who had been arrested in Saline County on
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marijuana charges when she arrived the indictment says Harmon advised Davis that her husband would not be be
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released unless she went and got more money the husband was then later released for
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$10,000 and the couple was forced to sign a disclaimer saying that the two had been arrested with the money in hand
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and they had no claim to it see I mean that that stuff is just so shady well in another extortion case an indictment
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alleges that Harmon took money for releasing defendant from custody or reducing the charges that they faced in
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state drug cases uh I think I think the Arkansas times summed it up the best when they they had this and and quote it
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is hard to imagine how much damage Dan Harmon did during the years he held office as prosecutor cases that should
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have been prosecuted were not cases that should not have been prosecuted no doubt
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were I think they summed it up best well so we have Harmon which like I said is a
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douchebag but now we have his partner Garrett yes his sidekick Richard Garrett the the attorney that pushed for Harmon
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to become the special appointed prosecutor well some years after the Kevin Ives and Don Henry murders uh
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Garrett sold his home and he moved away well sometime after the new homeowner had been living there for some time he
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discovered a secret room in the basement that contained what he believed to be a
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drug lab the new homeowner reported this to the local sheriff's office and he was
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told to take the items to the local dump and just get rid of them uh he explains
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to the sheriff that he didn't want to have these items in his vehicle and potentially get pulled over with you
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know drug rated items in his car and so the Sheriff's Office offered to escort him to the the dump to get rid of these
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things now at the time that homeowner was unaware of who the previous homeowner was right you know he didn't
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know about the murder case he wasn't from around there and he didn't know Richard Garrett's involvement in this
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actual case I haven't heard from this guy in a while I mean I call I write he never returns my calls uh what's going
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on with my good buddy FY well yeah FY Malik the medical examiner that deserves to have been locked up in my opinion uh
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they should have shot him in the kneecaps but instead in 1991 uh Dr Malik was promoted he he got
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a new job congratulations good for you and uh he was promoted to become a consultant for the Arkansas Health
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Department so um apparently when you're just horrible at your job and you you lie and purger yourself in Trials then I
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guess you can just uh get promoted time and time again so one needs to start asking themselves a question how does
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all this stuff go down in such a small County in Arkansas right mhm well this is all
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connected to an airport yes yeah so let's talk about a small place in Western Arkansas called Mina it's about
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160 mil west of Little Rock it's a tiny town that has been the local for persistent reports of drug smuggling gun
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running and money laundering mhm there's been a number of allegations that have been made about the use of mina which is
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the Intermountain municipal airport as a CIA drop point in largescale cocaine trafficking uh this beginning in the
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1980s several local state and federal investigations have taken place in relation to these allegations yeah and a
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lot of people believe that these operations were set up by the Reagan Administration yeah the topic has
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received some press coverage uh and these include allegations of awareness participation or maybe even a cover up
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involving prominent figures such as Ronald Reagan Bill Clinton George HW Bush and of course Saline County
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prosecutor Dan Harmon this is where another name comes to light Barry seal yes Barry seal was a name that we
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mentioned yesterday he was a Gunrunner drug trafficker and covert CIA operative he was murdered in a hail of bullets by
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the mellan cartel Hitman outside of a Salvation Army shelter in Baton Rouge Louisiana um a lot of the stuff that
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started in Mina started in the 80s uh this was when seal based his aircraft at Mina's Inter Mountain Regional Airport
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mhm seal was employed by the mellan cartel as a pilot and Drug Smuggler he transported numerous shipments of
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cocaine from Colombia to the United States and earned a good deal of coin doing so after successful runs into his
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home base in Louisiana he moved operations to the infamous airport facility in Mina Arkansas there he
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bought sold and operated many airplanes this included the c123 transport plane supplied to him by the US drug enforce
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enforcement agency right so let's get this straight he's working for the CIA M he's also working for a drug cartel yes
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so he's he's playing both sides of the fence yeah he's doing double duty and and I tell you what we you know you can
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look into this thing it this is this portion of of what's going on in Arkansas is very cumbersome it's
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extremely cumbersome if you if you there's things out there that you can watch you can listen you can read about
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uh it's pretty well reported even though a lot of people say I've never heard of
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this but like we said yesterday people in Arkansas have known about this for 30 years right um it's come up it came up
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in the late 80s quite a bit in the national news and it came up again in the early 90s this would be when Clinton
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was taking over moving into the White House um but both times it comes up in the national news it kind of quickly
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dies down and and attention is diverted elsewhere to other scandals and other other news it's receiving more attention
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at the time which normally happens when our government's involved yeah so you know I think I think the thing here is
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we can we can break down the generalization of what was going on so so this guy Barry seal is he's running
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drugs he's flying drugs into the US and making a whole bunch of money doing so right he gets busted okay they catch on
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to what he's doing and he goes to the DEA and to the CIA and says look you know I've been doing this successful for
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quite some time how about I turn on some of these people that I'm working for I'll testify against them and I could I
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could go to work for you guys right and they're like okay cool you know and they
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go to the judge and they basically say look he's willing to work with us he's willing to work with the federal
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government and help us in some things that we need help with so they reduce his sentence and eventually he does go
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to work for these people um and now you know there are people out there that are
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going to say no he never worked for them well I can tell you this that after he died the IRS went after a lot of money
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they believe he had right they wanted listen to this number they wanted to charge him $86 million and back taxes
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yes that's a that's a that's a whole that's a whole lot of Rolling Papers that's a lot of drugs he was
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transporting yeah somebody estimated that he may have moved anywhere between 3 and5 billion doar of cocaine into this
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country well basically he was the drug version of Frank Aban and for those who don't know how Frank Aban is might have
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seen the movie Catch Me If You Can it was a guy that was doing a bunch of bank fraud and instead of just you know
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sending him to jail they said hey why don't you come work for us MH you'll be basically on I think lifetime probation
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basically right so what happens here is the that's Frank Aban not abali so after
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he's busted he's now working for the CIA and the CIA wants to there's a there's a
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civil war going on in in Central America at the time and basically our government
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figured out that okay team a is the good guys and Team B is the bad guys so we want to help team
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a win this Civil War because it will benefit us well our Congress and the americ right but hold on but that
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doesn't make them the good team it just makes the team that we're going to use no no no I'm just saying what the
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thinking was at the time it's not definitive who was the good guy or the bad guy what I'm saying is that our
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Congress and the American people said no we're not going to get involved in this
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we're not going to help either side well basically our government said you know what we're going to we're going to P in
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the interest of National Security we're going to help this one side anyway and so they are running guns and running
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parts of guns to this country and they employ somebody like Barry seal to do so because he has this big plane that he's
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running out of the Mina airport and he's this is a c123 it basically looks like an army cargo plane you know one of
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those big heavy planes now he had made modifications to the planes that he was running so that he could travel extended
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distances without stopping for more fuel he's basically rigging up these planes right um which is not cheap to do so
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I'll tell you that the thing is here he he I kind of found this funny he nicknamed his plane the fat lady uh so
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he was basically flying guns to or parts of guns to Nicaragua mhm and well he has
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to fly back home right but why would you why waste the whole empty plane you don't want to have a big empty plane
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when you're flying all the way back home on the government's dime do you right so
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so he's taking the free ride back and he's loading up the plane with drugs and bringing them back into the country and
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making a whole bunch of money Barry seal was not not the only guy doing this there were other people doing this there
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were other people that were working for the CIA in the Mina area doing different
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things regarding uh CIA CIA operations right that were kept on the lowdown now it's been reported by by at least one
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pilot that he believed that there were multiple Pilots that were not bringing back empty planes into the United States
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and they were bringing drugs into the states yeah it seems these Pilots saw opportunity and they took it to make a
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little extra cash yeah you have I mean you have some people saying that we we the US government may have been trading
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guns for drugs uh you know there's certainly been investigations that have brought forth some speculation of such I
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I can't say that I saw enough evidence out there to say that that's what was going on um but I what I think here is
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probably more likely is that you had a few people taking advantage of a situation and trying to make themselves
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millionaires out of something that they were doing for the government yeah and oddly enough this is the time in history
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where the Reagan Administration is going it's It's A War on Drugs MH right and but but our government is the one
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bringing the drugs into the country possibly if you believe the speculation this whole thing of course you know any
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time you have these controversies or things that are brought to light that's going on that we may not be aware of or
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we're told is not happening you know of course this does always create a lot of finger pointing so in this situation you
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have the Republicans pointing toward Bill Clinton and saying you know what this happened at a facility and your
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jurisdiction uh how could you let this happen you're a terrible terrible person and then you have the Democrats saying
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the same about the Republicans going you know what well this happened during the
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Reagan Administration right and it was the this operation by the CIA CIA was the brainchild of George Bush and so
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therefore the Republicans are horrible people in the end you know that finger pointing doesn't go anywhere it doesn't
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do anything to solve the actual problem furthermore you we had investigations going down regarding this
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situation the problem was that these investigations couldn't get anywhere because when they tried to approach it
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from the federal level well the federal government basically said it's an Arkansas problem and then when you try
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to go to the state level and present it to the governor to to Bill Clinton then he says no this is a federal case you
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know so it's not only is there finger pointing both ways as far as uh as far as different politics goes but also
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passing the blame at the end of the day well and I called Bill Clinton yesterday
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I called I don't know if I called him a [ __ ] stain but there there's a lot look
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a lot of my feelings towards him are based on on other information about other cases that I've researched so
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that's why I believe he's a [ __ ] stain um and as far as the Reagan and the War
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on Drugs it wasn't a War on Drugs it's it was a war on inner city black people is what it was and that's all I got to
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say about that well it this sounds like a lot of stuff that you know that we're just kind of throwing out there but
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that's not the case at all uh you know like I said there's been investigations done on this there were several uh
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newspapers and magazines covering this in the 80s and the early 90s it didn't really go anywhere but we know how these
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things kind of get swept under the rug the situation here though is you know we know that Barry seal was by his own
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admissions was was bringing drugs into the country he he even kind of bragged about how much money he was making doing
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this and I'm going to say this is this is going to sound a little weird but Barry seal I don't I don't know if if
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many people know who he is um but there are you can find interviews and things with him on on the internet he's to me
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he's one of those guys you know when you when you're watching a movie and there's
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like for some reason there's a villain that you're kind of like secretly pulling for a little bit you know I mean
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like you kind of like the villain a little bit um I I think Barry seal was a bad dude I think he he took advantage of
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a lot of people and a lot of situations um I think he did it solely for uh for financial reasons right uh the thing is
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though he's one of these kind of of charismatic guys you know there's a there's an interview he was doing where
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he's talking about himself and he says you know you know I grew up in Baton Rouge and maybe for a lot of people uh
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an exciting life for them is is working 9 to-5 going to the the LSU football game on Saturday night and then waking
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up going to church on Sunday maybe that that works for other people he says you know that's not exciting to me he
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exciting to me is putting myself in potentially lifethreatening situations over and over again but but we know
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Captain you know sometimes people go into the field of being a pilot because they enjoy the adrenaline of it they're
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Adrenaline Junkies right but become a firefighter become a police officer become a a soldier become a Navy SEAL
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and do something productive with your life but what you were my friend was somebody that was greedy about money and
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you decided to take advantage of the system on both sides of the fence and then you're running drugs and how many
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murders took place because of those drugs right you're exactly and so yeah so you my friend are a [ __ ] stain well
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and the thing with seal here is we know that this happened and and I can point to why we know that it happened because
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remember we talked about the CIA investigation I'm sorry the IRS investigation into Barry seal wanting to
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charge him after he died for all these back taxes well the CIA and the DEA did come forward to the IRS and said you
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know what well you can't charge him for these blocks of time because he was working for us during that time right so
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so you can't charge him for back taxes regarding that okay so what does all this mean well here's what it means is
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that not far from where the boys were right let's get back to the boys not far from them is is this Mena airport where
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drugs were coming into drugs and guns were coming into and the reports of planes stopping short of the airport
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landing by the train tracks making drops that all happened with Dan Harmon what happens with Dan Harmon oh he's caught
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selling drugs running drugs so all that part of the story is true MH so if you believe so if you didn't believe that
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part there's your proof on top of that so we know why the the boys we we don't know why the boys were out there whether
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they were hunting whether they're trying to spy maybe they were trying to intercept the drugs we're not for sure
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but we do know that they were out there at the same time that a drug drop was happening MH so we know that is true and
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if we believe that to be true then we believe that these boys were murdered they were put on the tracks all these
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eyewitnesses that saw things and talked then we're killed to cover this up that's what we know that's the well and
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the thing furthermore on that point is that you have to have boots on the ground in this type of operation so you
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got Barry seal bringing drugs into the country you have another pilot that was working for the CIA saying that he
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believed that multiple Pilots were doing this that Barry seal was the kind of the
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big fish he was the fat lady like he named his airplane right and the thing is you have to have boots on the ground
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because you can bring drugs into this country it doesn't get you anywhere financially unless you can sell them to
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somebody and and once you sell them to somebody then you have to launder that money so now you have all these little
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local corruptive things going on at the same time all right so I think we're to the point where we should just really
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kind of dive into our thoughts and feelings on this matter and let's do that right after this quick beer
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okay now Captain we need to put our thoughts on what actually happened that night
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1987 in Bryant Arkansas well I just want to First say hey thanks to all the listeners right because this is a you
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know for parter it's a whale of a case probably the biggest case that we've done um just with the Mena airport stuff
00:32:02
we probably could have just with that whole drug running and gun running conspiracy we probably could have went
00:32:07
on for four hours about that me and you are not super fascinated by that portion
00:32:14
of this case no I'm not going to lie I doing the research on the Mena portion of this and we would be remiss if we
00:32:19
didn't bring it up because it's certainly part of this case is some part right but the the problem here is it it
00:32:26
it was a cumbersome portion of the investigation in this case it it's it's huge you could spend weeks some people
00:32:34
have spent years trying to figure out that whole situation uh I found it to be the research portion of that to be
00:32:40
rather boring to to be completely honest with right and I think our main thing was you know when you have a s you know
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16 and 17-year-old uh teenage boys uh we can relate to that and being those age and being males ourselves and to want to
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kind of explore what the heck's going on and I think that's the part that we were
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more fascinated with yeah so now uh Garage Thoughts with your host Nick and the captain yeah with Jack Handy uh how
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about you start so we get the good intelligent stuff first because you know my stuff will probably not make well
00:33:17
that's setting that's setting the bar a little high but I think you hit the nail
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on the head there Captain so this this case for us was about Don Henry and Kevin IES about those two boys being
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murdered and then it being called an accident you know this case I didn't know anything about the Mena portion of
00:33:36
this case to be honest with you until several months ago now I knew about the boys on the tracks case from way back
00:33:43
when when we were kids they they featured this case on Unsolved Mysteries I believe it was in the first season
00:33:48
maybe the second but it was it was it was ages ago and that's streaming now somewhere a lot of listeners were saying
00:33:54
you got to check this out it's like hey if if you listen to the show we're big fans of you know Unsolved Mysteries
00:34:01
we've seen it mhm well and there's some things that they talk about I went back and watched that episode and there's
00:34:07
some things that they talked about in there that we didn't really address yet there was some leads at the time of a um
00:34:14
a man in camouflage fatigues actually well let me let me get this right because there's a couple different
00:34:20
stories here there's one story of a man wearing a camouflage jacket having shot at police there's another story that's
00:34:27
almost identical with the exception of they say in military fatigues which to me camouflage jacket military fatigues
00:34:34
means a very different uh uniform or outfit that this person was wearing now the thing here is I I when looking into
00:34:43
this case you got to follow the leads that was that might have been a lead back then it's not a current lead today
00:34:50
because we know of all these other confessions of all these eyewitness statements that have come out after the
00:34:55
fact mhm the thing here is Captain I I want to kind of talk about this in a sense that it is I'm going to use the
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trickle down effect okay because what I think really happened here as far as Mena is concerned is that we we have a
00:35:10
situation where yes our government was probably doing some stuff that wasn't all on the up and up were they trading
00:35:18
guns for drugs I'm not willing to 100% agree with that I saw more evidence of these these people doing this on their
00:35:26
own own these Pilots doing this on their own where they were taking advantage of
00:35:30
a situation now we brought up Barry seal now the thing here is Barry seal was he
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was murdered and dead before Kevin Ives and Don Henry were killed that night he was killed about a year beforehand why
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do we bring him up because we know he admittedly came forward and said this is what I'm doing you know and we so we if
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we believe Barry seal this is absolutely going on and this is absolutely happening now I believe that they were
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running lots of drugs into the Arkansas area using these airplanes and the thing
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here is like I said before you have to have boots on the ground you can't turn that drugs into money without somebody
00:36:07
on the ground selling it and distributing that that product for you the problem here is the trickle down
00:36:14
effect when you when you have people at a high level maybe doing some things that aren't completely on the up and up
00:36:20
you know when you set out to do something that that might not be 100% right sometimes you find yourself then
00:36:28
doing other things that you never set out to do that are completely wrong too to cover up that first misdeed MH and I
00:36:35
think that we see a situation here where that started at the top and it worked its way into a very bad area and the
00:36:43
thing regarding Reagan regarding Bush or Clinton do I think that they had some involvement in this yes yes I do I think
00:36:51
I think that they this was an operation that they were aware of I don't believe I want to not believe that they were
00:36:59
fully aware of all the drugs that were coming into the the country as a result of what they were doing um the thing
00:37:07
here is though you have to have people in somewhat of power you can't have a bunch of thugs on the ground moving this
00:37:14
product for you they had to have some kind of security in doing what they were doing the these are barry seal is not
00:37:21
just going to go out and do something like this people that are cohorting with him are not just going to go out and do
00:37:26
something like this and then put millions of dollars of drugs into the hands of street thugs it's just not
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going to happen and I think what we had here Captain is that we have Dan Harmon somebody that that was a person that
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carried a certain amount of power he had a certain amount of Leverage on everybody some of that was because of
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positions that he held within the county some of that was because he was dealing
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drugs at a high level to these other people and you know I I once had a a man tell me that that sometimes in some
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situations law enforcement is nothing but a bunch of thugs or a bunch of gangsters with a badge and I think in
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this situation we see that we see that with the two officers that we spoke of Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane I think that
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they were Dan Harmon's bodyguards they were his muscle because they could use their toughness as not just their
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toughness in in Brute Force but their toughness because they carry a badge and their Authority and they misus their
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Authority the same way that Dan Harmon did right and we support fully support law enforcement that believes in the
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oath of Serve and Protect yes and I think what happened here Captain I think we have a situation Dan Harmon as I said
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I believe he's he's no better than your average Street Thug M he's probably even
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worse because he has the authority to cover things up and do unspeakable things and get away with them the thing
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here is I I I peg him as a drug user I peg him as a hardcore drug user that probably used drugs with other people
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and Power in the area and at some point he realized you know what I can turn this little this little fun drug thing
00:39:11
that I got going on I can turn this into a business and I have the authority to do so and he recruited these officers to
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get his back and what happened was we have a we yes I believe there was a drug drop I believe that Dan Harmon was there
00:39:26
to get that drug drop now the thing here is do we do we have a situation where you know there was rumor maybe Kevin IES
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and Don Henry were were you know privy to this information and that they went out there and had possibly stolen a
00:39:41
previous drop mhm and intended to steal an additional drop and that Dan Harmon and his goons were out there that night
00:39:50
to keep an eye on their product and they were going to use whatever Force necessary if they caught who they
00:39:56
believe believed was was stealing their drugs now the thing here is when you're doing bad things and you're doing Shady
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things you're working with other Shady characters there's a good chance I don't believe Kevin Ives and Don Henry went
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and stole that drug drop I don't think so I don't even think it was their intention to go out that night and steal
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whatever was being dropped from the sky I think you have a situation where you got a bunch of bad people working
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together doing bad things that are illegal you can't report this all my drugs came up missing who you g to go
00:40:28
and tell that to nobody cares the thing here is you could have had a guy you could have had a pilot in the plane that
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said yeah dude yeah Harmon I made that drop what you didn't pick that up that's your fault right he could have just kept
00:40:41
the damn drugs himself or you could have Harmon who who got the drugs and said you know what this [ __ ] was stolen from
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me I I can't pay it up I can't pay up to you because I didn't have the product to
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sell yet yet he went out and sold the product anyway we know these things happen on a day daily basis on a much
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smaller level we'd be foolish to think that they don't happen at a high level I think that the boys were aware that
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something was going on I don't think they had a full understanding of what it is right I think that they were
00:41:09
teenagers being teenagers I think that they were curious about what was going on whiskers and I believe Don Henry felt
00:41:15
very comfortable in those woods I I feel like he often went out at night with his
00:41:20
parents' permission out on these night hunting trips sometimes by himself and he probably told his buddy you know cuz
00:41:26
they're at the age where they're discovering drugs we know that they were smoking some marijuana they didn't smoke
00:41:32
20 joints they it's it's actually estimated that they smoked more like one to two maybe even three at a stretch
00:41:40
they were found with marijuana in their pockets so they were they were open to this whole new scene that they're
00:41:45
discovering in their in their Hometown and I think they were curious as to what was going on I don't think they were
00:41:51
going around the week of looking for cocaine or looking to become cocaine dealer
00:41:57
I think that that's all kind of just things that coincidence it's just happen stance the there might be rumors I think
00:42:03
they were out looking for marijuana I think it was a very innocent thing that they were out doing and they stumbled
00:42:09
across the wrong people I wouldn't be surprised if Dan Harmon believed that these boys ripped him off or even even
00:42:20
push that aside now these boys are witness to something and maybe he thinks they were out there trying to steal his
00:42:27
drugs and I think that his goons Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane I don't think that they ever agreed to help move drugs
00:42:36
or or be The Bodyguard for Dan Harmon with the intention that they thought at some point they would be killing people
00:42:42
I think that they chased down these boys I think it got out of hand they used they used brute force on these on these
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poor kids and unfortunately the kids probably fought back these guys don't strike me as is the type that would not
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defend themselves and I think it got out of hand very fast and I think one of them died and I think it I think Kevin
00:43:04
Ives probably died first and they may have killed the other boy simply to cover that up because at some point
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right this you know when you set out to do something bad and just to make a little bit of money and you think it's
00:43:18
all going to be good it's this is a victimless crime it's going to hurt nobody I I know people that want drugs I
00:43:23
know how to get drugs I can make money and make these people happy at the same time this isn't going to get out of hand
00:43:29
no one day you wake up and you realize that you're up to your eyeballs in this [ __ ] and you freak out and something
00:43:36
bad happens and I think that's what happened that night now to further this though they went above and beyond to
00:43:42
cover this up why because there happened to be so many people that actually knew
00:43:46
the truth about what had happened that night that this thing got out of hand these boys were killed they were thrown
00:43:52
on the tracks there were people that witnessed it there were people people that told other people what they had
00:43:58
seen what they had heard there were people involed involved in the drug trade in the local area I think this was
00:44:04
a thing that started off bad in some Mis dealings at the very top and it trickled
00:44:10
down and the further it got down it got darker deeper a little more evil to the point where it got out of hand so most
00:44:18
of this blame lies with Dan Harmon and his goons in my opinion these were the truly evil people involved in this
00:44:25
situation the unfortunate and well unfortunate is not the right word the the extremely disappointing portion of
00:44:33
this for me is that I do believe that there are higher members of society at higher levels in the Arkansas area that
00:44:42
probably turned a blind eye to this thing they kind of looked the other way and they didn't want to believe that
00:44:49
something terrible was going on and and by doing nothing ultimately in my eyes they did something wrong
00:44:56
um I think this FY Malik guy is a terrible dude I think I think that he held B I think he was a guy that held a
00:45:04
high position that that didn't have people monitoring what he was doing or second guessing what he was doing I
00:45:11
think he was not qualified for that position to start off with and that that he made some fumblings and screwed some
00:45:18
things up and he started covering for himself and he woke up one day and he was he was eyeballs deep in the
00:45:24
situation too and then at some point he was either able to be bought off with either money or fear and I think that he
00:45:31
lied about a lot of things which ultimately made investigations go nowhere we're in a situation here where
00:45:38
it's been it it will be 30 years come this August that those two boys were murdered and you know what I don't think
00:45:46
that we're going to see any justice for those two boys I do like that the families feel somewhat Vindicated
00:45:53
because Dan Harmon did serve some time um there are some other people that were probably involved in this that are no
00:46:00
longer around we're not going to see any justice though for those two boys and that's an unfortunate situation and is
00:46:07
that your final thoughts uh yeah those are my final thoughts on what I think happened uh my recommendation to the
00:46:14
listeners out there if this is something that they want to dive more into there there there's a lot of things like we
00:46:20
said this is a huge case I'd recommend though researching the two incidents separately
00:46:26
you know I think there's enough of of things that you can read into regarding the boys on the tracks I think that
00:46:34
there's enough stuff that you could dive into regarding the Mina airport at the same time I wouldn't recommend looking
00:46:39
into both of them at the same time because it's just too much yeah it's definitely a case that I looking back on
00:46:45
now we did four parts but it would have been amazing series all right Captain Garage Thoughts your host the captain
00:46:54
yeah I don't know if we should allow ow me to speak every episode uh let's just you want to start at the top yes we'll
00:47:00
just start at the top I started at the top look and and look I've said it a million times it's not a political show
00:47:07
I'm not left or right I am normally wrong he always says that right before he gets political right uh start with
00:47:13
Reagan I think there was drug running I think there was gun running I think our government's normally involved in [ __ ]
00:47:19
we shouldn't be we should mind our own goddamn business sometimes I think because of the drug smuggling that was
00:47:25
coming in then they started this stupid thing called War on Drugs which was actually a war on uh inner city Black
00:47:34
America and if you think I'm just talking out my ass do some damn research on it and then get back with me and then
00:47:40
tell me I'm wrong and I actually think that there's there's actually evidence of Reagan saying hey you know we thought
00:47:46
the war on drug was going to be great we didn't know it was just going to give slaps on the wrist to Middle America you
00:47:52
know White America and that it was going to screw grew up black families for Generation to generation so uh shameful
00:48:00
Reagan for that but we all make mistakes I think a lot of the stuff he did was good um was never a big fan of George
00:48:08
Bush uh I thought he had some weird agendas then let's go to Clinton I think some of the research that I've seen on
00:48:16
him and this whole pedophile stuff which is a whole separate case is very shameful I think he's a [ __ ] stain uh I
00:48:23
think he's very you know self-centered how much greed can he have how much power can he have and I think he's done
00:48:30
some shady [ __ ] as far as this case goes I don't think Reagan knew anything about
00:48:36
it no I don't think I don't even think Bill actually knew a bunch about it no I think he knew that there was drugs
00:48:43
coming in to Mena airport but but I think he knew that was coming from the government mhm so how much is he
00:48:52
supposed to say and I and I know that the government probably knew that there was probably some drug running on the
00:48:58
side and we just can't do much about that because we're doing some shady [ __ ] mhm so I believe like you said at some
00:49:05
point these these uh Pilots had this opportunity we can make a little extra money well now we got to figure out
00:49:12
places to drop just so happened that this airport was close to this town MH and there was some dude there you know
00:49:20
named Dan Harmon that's a bad bad ombre right mhm and that's what happened it got mixed up and I don't I don't think
00:49:30
look I don't know if the boys were going out there to to steal drugs I mean I've
00:49:34
done some stupid [ __ ] when I was 16 and 17 years old I had some stupid ideas right M so I wouldn't put it past them
00:49:42
but even if they were you shouldn't end up dead right you know you're 16 and 17y
00:49:47
old kid did they fight back hopefully because look at some point you know if a if a officer
00:49:56
is using his powers for bad at some point defend yourself and I think that's probably what happened the other thing
00:50:03
that the only question that I have about that is what if one of those boys was wearing camo what if one of those boys
00:50:11
fired at the officer mhm they had a gun we know that but either way I think what
00:50:17
it came down to was those boys were dead before they were on the tracks and they
00:50:22
put them on the tracks to cover it up and then any that knew anything about it they they murdered and because they paid
00:50:30
off this guy and again I think if you're paying off FY right mhm well then FY you're a [ __ ] stain and
00:50:38
I hope you get an ulcer and I hope your head [ __ ] pops off and goes right up your ass that's what I hope happens uh
00:50:46
and then I hope that your dog crawls up your ass and eats your head that's what I hope happens if you did all this stuff
00:50:53
out of fear then then my hat goes off to you because I don't know what I'd do in that situation
00:51:00
all right there's people around you dying left and right mysterious deaths he had the ability to do something about
00:51:06
that though you know he he absolutely did have the ability to do something about that would it would it had caused
00:51:13
his own own demise possibly right uh maybe even likely one could say um well right but
00:51:20
it's hard to sit there and say you know well it's actually easy to say there and
00:51:25
say you know what I'd do the right thing right you know if people were dying around me I don't give a [ __ ] i' do the
00:51:32
right thing and it's like maybe you would I'd like to think I would but I have never been around a
00:51:40
situation where people were dying left and right MH but you know what if I did die they would have to bring in another
00:51:49
corner and he might not be able to get paid off and they might not be able to do anything about it on that that point
00:51:56
but there was all these checks and balances and I think because Dan Harmon had his hands in everybody's Pockets you
00:52:02
know playing a we game of pocket pool that that's why all this stuff got covered up and I think because of the
00:52:09
government running drugs and because of I believe Bill Clinton there's enough evidence that proves that Bill Clinton
00:52:16
you know it's the 80s a lot of people of power were doing cocaine mhm and so I think because of the government running
00:52:24
drugs in and out of men at airport their hands are almost tied where they can't they can't even go after the scumbag Dan
00:52:31
Harmon because what does that do to you I mean yeah they put him in jail and stuff but you got to go after him for
00:52:37
murder MH cuz that's what happened there's two boys that are dead 16 and 17 years old not they never got to the
00:52:46
point where they're old enough to vote for you know the left or the right mhm they don't have that right they didn't
00:52:53
they didn't make it to the age where they could drink a couple beers in the garage and talk about some crime they
00:53:01
they never made it to that point and their families never got to see them get to that point because of what because of
00:53:09
some some douchebags that wanted to make a couple extra bucks because they got into normally when you get into a
00:53:17
political power and a political system you're there to serve right that's your job yeah but all these people
00:53:25
the the paycheck was too small I don't want to just serve it's about me it's about me you know in this country you
00:53:33
know on a on a side rant we're all becoming a little too much me me me me and I think it's [ __ ] it's horeshit
00:53:42
well and it's like I said for me it starts off with Dan Harmon and other people at his level being drug users I
00:53:49
think that's where it starts for me is that they they were already compromised people because they were drug users they
00:53:56
weren't able to clearly understand or or should have clearly understood what their power meant and that they are
00:54:04
there to serve the people they're there to protect the communities and this drug
00:54:09
addiction this drug habit got in the way compromised them from the very beginning
00:54:15
and that's what led to him selling drugs and others in the area selling drugs and
00:54:20
you know if somebody asked me you know well Nick why why the hell would so many people be quiet about this well we're
00:54:27
not talking about you know when we say Barry seal and they estimate between 3 and 5 billion that's with a B not with
00:54:35
an M that's a b five three to five billion dollars that he brought into this country now he was bringing those
00:54:41
in through through multiple States but the thing is it we we believe other Pilots were probably doing this as well
00:54:50
we're not talking about $50 or $100 here or there to this guy or Joe at the local
00:54:56
supermarket look the other way we're talking about potentially hundreds of millions of dollars that's being spread
00:55:03
around because of the stuff that's being brought in and you know what guess what
00:55:09
you know Tim down at the grocery store I'm not asking you to do anything wrong but here's here's here's some free drugs
00:55:17
here's two grand I'm just asking you to say you don't know anything about the situation right I'm just asking you to
00:55:24
keep quiet just keep my name out your mouth and we'll be fine it's it's very frustrating I can tell by the way you're
00:55:30
stomping around the garage here as you gave a that that uh very angry uh Speech there but the thing is you know we set
00:55:38
out to we set out the mission was to set out to figure out who killed these boys
00:55:43
was it a murder to begin with yes we we can we established that who who killed them we both at the local level we both
00:55:50
agree what we think happened that night we think Dan Harmon and some other guys uh most likely Jay Campbell and Kirk
00:55:56
Lane were all involved in this situation and then they spent almost two years covering this thing up you know so I
00:56:03
think at the local level we set out to to kind of figure out what happened to these two boys we didn't set out to you
00:56:10
know uh correct 40 Years of the US government's foreign policy uh but regarding the boys on the tracks I think
00:56:18
we we we agree what happened that night right and I think at the end of the day that people have power and people of
00:56:25
money get away with a bunch of [ __ ] M and and I just want to take the moment to say uh you know to to Don Henry to
00:56:36
Kevin Ives to their family members if anybody's listening to this we we are sorry for your loss and we're sorry that
00:56:44
there wasn't Justice you know for you and your family and your loved ones MH all right now it's uh it's time for many
00:56:52
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