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starting to get into some of the physical evidence collected against Scott and forming these cases against
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him regarding these missing persons one of the items we have yet to hit on is it involves his phone records so this
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reveals to law enforcement that Scott the last person he spoke to on the evening of February 17 2003 was missing
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person Jennifer Markham then his phone went offline until February 20th Scott maintained that he
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had gone to the mountains for several days and turned his cell phone off this is the same story that he kind of gave
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regarding Casey but detectives noted that Jennifer's phone was also inactive for the same three-day period of time
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after that there were calls made from Jennifer's phone this to Scott into several other people
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this is before it went offline permanently now to the investigators it seemed obvious that Scott was using
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Jennifer's phone for the purpose of misdirecting law enforcement in an attempt to make it appear as if she was
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still alive for some period of time after she went missing but we still have other crimes
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other murders to discuss we have evidence in the Leanne Emery disappearance Leanne's car was found
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abandon with all of her stuff in it in Eastern Utah but Leanne was nowhere to be found
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receipts for credit card charges to her card made in California bore a signature
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that was not her handwriting detectives spoke to the unnamed inmate who knew Scott in prison the one who gave them
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the information about how Casey had been killed this inmate told them that Scott said that he killed Leanne
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while they were hiking in Bryson Canyon in eastern Australia Scott said that he had stripped her nude
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or had her stripped nude kneeled down and he shot her in the head execution Style
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now Captain you know how this POS Sky operates right he has an answer for everything
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Scott told detectives that he did not kill Leanne he said that members of a drug gang were
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the ones that had executed her and he was only a witness but he didn't go to law enforcement he
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didn't get involved and even though he's already involved with the FBI he doesn't tell them I witnessed a
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murder he he only has to make up the story when confronted with something that he told
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somebody else right now remember the Terrible this this angers and saddens me like you
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wouldn't believe remember the terrible accident on the ranch I'm talking about the accident
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when Scott's ten-year-old son Justin when a 200 pound metal great quote fell on him right you can see photos of this
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little boy in the hospital on Dateline and it's pretty horrible so in a stroke of bad luck for Scott but
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truly a blessing after two weeks in a coma his son woke up and was able to tell what he remembered he says his father
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told him to turn around and dig a hole near this great and then all of a sudden the great fell on him
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then he remembered being in the Jeep remember Scott is driving the Sun to the hospital he remembers being in the Jeep
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and he says on the way to the hospital my dad Scott he's pushing me by the face pushing me out of the
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vehicle by the face yeah I mean this is just when you said it the first time oh here's this horrible accident and
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then Scott's going to drive his son to the hospital and on the way the kid falls out of the car you go
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something's not right here yeah you can't it's it what a coincidence that you would have two near-death accidents
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back to back that day I can understand that sometimes this stuff happens in a state of a panic maybe you're rushing
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trying to get him to the hospital but not with this guy not with this guy they're not these types two failed
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attempts of murder so the balder County Prosecutors Boulder [ __ ] thank you Unfortunately they did
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not feel that they had enough to actually Charge Scott with with what looks very much like an attempted murder
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of his son this is in part because doctors indicated that his head injuries were so
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severe they would not consider him to be a reliable witness that is so [ __ ] though these might not be reliable
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memories that he has of course we're no idiots and we can see all this other stuff together that
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that that's probably very likely what happened and I know the prosecutors felt the same way and were very saddened that
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they could not bring this type of charge against this man we should also point out and it's no
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coincidence that at the time of this accident there was a sixty thousand dollar life insurance policy on the
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little boy with Scott listed as the sole beneficiary yeah okay but hear me out why don't you just want to
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roll the dice I'm listening roll the dice right we have we have two like I said two attempts of murdering
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this ten-year-old boy and yes maybe his memory is not maybe he's not going to be
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um maybe he's not going to be received as super credible but once you stack on the other piece of
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evidence that we have a motive the motive being a sixty thousand dollar payout for the death of this child
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roll the dice because what you what do you have to lose well a couple of things and we talked about this a few weeks ago
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you do run the risk of the double jeopardy charge where where maybe at some point you actually do believe that
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you have the proper evidence to charge and convict him and if you try him now and you can't
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successfully convict them you can't try them again later what I guarantee you this is what my gut tells me and I would
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bet this man's beef Farm on it not my own Farm because this guy's a liar but uh I bet you what happened
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Captain is behind closed doors they probably did take a chance because like you said what do you have to lose this
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is what they probably took a chance on let's tell Scott that we know exactly what the hell he was doing and see if it
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scares him enough that he's willing to plea to it or to a lesser charge right because you know you get this man in a
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room and you go look dude your son told us that you were the one that told him to get in that hole and
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then the Great Falls on him your son told us you were driving him to the hospital and he remembers you pushing
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him by the face out of the moving vehicle and this almost kills him and we also found a paper trail that you stood
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to gain sixty thousand dollars should that little boy die you're hoping you can scare him into a plea bargain at
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that chance and I bet you they took that chance right and Scott is just it wasn't
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going to to fall for it now putting all of that together makes it also seem even much more ridiculous
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that Uncle Terry magically disappeared that he struck it big hitting the lottery and then running
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off to Mexico with some mysterious woman that no one had ever met named Ginger right and no evidence that that he even
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won the lottery or that he's still in existence right so this is one part of the story that we
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left out last week this goes down nearly a year after Uncle Terry Kimball disappeared so Scott's
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father his name is Virgil Kimball received an email at his Idaho home from his brother Uncle Terry
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using the email address Terry Kimball yahoo.com I'm sorry Terry lkimball yahoo.com
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according to an affidavit later written by FBI agent grossing in the email Terry claimed to be living
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in an old part of Mexico with a woman named Ginger and added that Ginger liked living there
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and said that she was never going to return to the United States so that he probably would not either
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this is creating in a sense an alibi for where this man would be or or at least him reaching out
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saying this is where I am right later after Scott was sitting in jail and law enforcement were busy building a
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case against him police traced the email account under Terry's name and traced it back to Scott's Computer
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so pays to study computer Uncle Terry can't be living in Mexico and sending that email that email came from Scott's
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Computer and so unless unless Terry's hiding in the basement right then that's coming from you Scott
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well and then they found a bank teller who was able to identify Scott as the person who was cashing chair Terry's
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checks right after he supposedly went off to to Mexico so at least with this one it seems like got him got him
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throw a party so other than that where are we now we're in December of 2008. Scott Kimball
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is sitting in jail on those weapons charges investigators had amassed all the evidence we just went through and
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interviewed Scott about 10 different times but since Leanne Uncle Terry and Jennifer had never been found and since
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Casey's cause of death was unknown the prosecutors the boulder [ __ ] I do want to point something out before
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anybody comes down too hard on us for saying for repeating that anybody that's looked into this case
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knows that that by the way the the two prosecutors the boulder [ __ ] they seem to have embraced that name
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that Scott created for them because yeah that's right we are [ __ ] we're powerful [ __ ] that are going to put
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you away well and what that shows them is that they embrace the name because they know that him coming up with that
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name means that they are getting to the Teflon con they are getting to the man that couldn't that nobody could put him
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away for a long period of time and even though it's also a power move though we're getting into them but by
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saying hey you want to call us [ __ ] yeah we are we're the [ __ ] that are going to put you away that's another
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thing that kind of Stokes the fire right and and you can see look we like we said we got these
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missing women to me it helps that the prosecutors are female because he definitely has a dislike for
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females yeah well yes I would agree with that 100 but I also would go take it a step
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further and say that it doesn't appear to me that anybody means anything to this guy at all right
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I agree attempted murder on his son there is some rumor that he thought about killing his own mother I mean
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nobody means anything to him uh paper money is worth more to him than a loved one's
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life no but I don't even think it's it's money in the sense of like wanting to build some kind of wealth or or anything
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like that it's just it's it's him he is more important than everybody he's a complete psychopath right he he's
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willing to kill his ten-year-old son to get this money so then he can continue to just live however he wants yeah
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almost uh like he feels like he's a God on some level so the the problem again that we pointed
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out is we don't have any bodies for three of these missing persons so they're they're going to have to shift
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gears here and this is a little unfortunate that they're going to have to do this but they need to try to find
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these missing people these missing victims and nobody at this point believes any of these three to be alive
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so unfortunately they're going to have to start talking about a deal a deal with Scott Kimball
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so both the prosecutors they drew up a memorandum of understanding to lay out the deal that they struck with Scott
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he would plead guilty to stealing fifty five thousand dollars from from the optometrist
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and he would agree to lead investigators to the bodies of Jennifer Markham Leanne
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Emery and Terry Kimball and for this he would face only a single count of second-degree murder thus avoiding being
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prosecuted for first-degree murder which could result in a life sentence in prison or even the death penalty
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uh we should point out it was still in effect in Colorado at that time right so basically he's going to be charged
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second degree murder which would be life in prison with the possibility of parole
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um I don't believe so I actually believe that it would have been lesser than that
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really and one of our prosecutors Catherine uh Booth she says that it was like making a deal with the devil they they
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nobody felt good about making this deal with him but where their hearts were were with the victims families and that
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meant finding and locating those victims so this with what he's going to plead guilty to
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one thing that Scott would not be aware of that that katharina booth and uh her partner were very excited about
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this did allow the prosecutors to classify Scott Lee Kimball as a habitual offender
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now this status this is a status that carries a mandatory sentence of 48 years in prison they're going to get a very
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lengthy prison sentence for this guy Scott signed the plea deal in December of 2008 and pled guilty to one count of
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theft as a habitual offender then they all sat down Scott included to try to figure out how to find the bodies of the
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missing Scott drew a map to where he said he left Terry's body this was near Vale
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pass in an area that was completely covered with snow in January so when the map was made up they would have
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to wait until the snow was gone to go out and look for the remains Scott said that Terry was in the woods wearing
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clothing sneakers and glasses and bound inside a tarp with nylon rope now the following month Scott was issued
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a special release from prison so he could lead investigators to the places where uh Jennifer and Leanne were buried
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right this he says was in eastern Utah this features thousands of square miles of desert canyons and riverbeds so this
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is not an easy area to to search and it's a vast area at that so everyone's disappointment Scott was
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unable to pinpoint exactly where the bodies were located this even after Consulting maps and satellite imagery
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you do have to wonder here here Captain was Scott unable to pinpoint where the bodies were or unwilling to pinpoint
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where the bodies were yeah that's a tough one because I on one level you think well why would he do this anyways well I
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guess you're sitting in a prison you got nothing better to do and you get to go out and there and again it's all about
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him and so all now he's important again and and but I think maybe I I actually think that there's a
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possibility with some of these that he just doesn't know because these are vast areas and some people think he knows
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exactly these areas and he's just lying to him which is a possibility because what will
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they find and what they might find might lead to actual more evidence to to prove
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that this guy's full of [ __ ] so on a second Expedition this again included Scott they set out in March of
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2009 this time to Bryson Canyon and this time bones were found between some Boulders that would prove to be
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Leanne Emery police also found a bullet fragment which proved to match the 40 caliber gun
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owned by Scott Scott LED Searchers on multiple Wild Goose chases in in and out of canyons
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creek beds washes and Dry River beds but nothing was ever found uh nothing found of Jennifer Markham right
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cadaver dogs and excavations turned up empty police and prosecutors well he also said in an interview though that
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the where Jennifer was murdered what he claims is that he was only ever there once right where like maybe some of
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these other areas that these women were found he was there more than one time but he's claims with Jennifer markham's
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that he was only there ever once so this is where police and prosecutors are starting to
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question Scott's cooperativeness and they're they're like it seems like he he's pretty happy to be messing with us
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so now they're going to go out and make another attempt to locate Jennifer uh with Scott insisting that Jennifer
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was near Leanne's body but then they get to the location and he changes his mind saying actually
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no she could be like 60 miles away so this is where I think they're getting the vibe like this dude's messing with
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us and he's enjoying it so despite these efforts right but this is the moment in time
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that they uncuff him they punch each other in the face a couple times and then they beat
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the living [ __ ] out of him with with bats and whatever right and um you know just Kim Pummel him for hours
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and then then shoot him and be like how well he ran away then you come back to the station ow where's
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Scott at ah he got loose he punched Us in the face and got away and you move on with your life you know
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sentence served yeah no don't get me wrong I mean I'm glad these are are good officers I'm I'm with you I I read about
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Scott Campbell maybe they'd be better officers I hear about him and I study him and I think to myself yes on many
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levels I would love to Dexter this [ __ ] out in the middle of nowhere but but but
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sorry we're getting back to the I think your your mouth has the corona back to the story here so
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um despite all these efforts by law enforcement Jennifer has never been found prosecutors do believe that Scott
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was simply holding back the information on Jennifer's grave this this for several reasons their
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suspicions are that either he's holding this back so he could use it at a later time right if he needs to you know
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holding back something of value to them but remember his cousin wrote a book about Scott and in that book it's it's
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titled SLK the agent the FBI agent told the author that he believes that Scott held this
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information back because there's possibly another body is buried with or near Jennifer
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so he doesn't want that additional victim to be found oh [Music] yesterday [Applause]
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[Music] [Applause] [Music] all right we're back cheers mates he's back and I'm the colonel so Captain
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with Scott refusing to fully cooperate prosecutors decide to yank that plea deal they had just entered into with him
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a few months earlier now in regards to this his 48-year sentence would still stick so they
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weren't really running any risk here this is like you pointed out earlier why not try this you have nothing to lose
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type situation right but now what they can do is they believe they can actually prosecute him for
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murder so investigators received the lab results back regarding the blood stains
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that were found in Scott's Home the results showed that those stains on the carpet of Scott's
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former home were in fact blood and they were the blood of Terry Kimball yeah his
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uncle his body was found in June of 2009 by Searchers using the detailed map drawn
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for them by Scott so sure enough just like Scott said when they found the body Terry was tied and wrapped in tarp
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and he had been shot through the head and again the bullet fragment was then later matched to Scott's handgun yeah
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and the reason for this again like you said Scott doesn't care about anybody but his uncle he did come in to a little
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bit of money and he used to carry around a briefcase with this money and it wasn't a lot of money but it was a lot
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of money to Terry so he thought he was a big shot while he was running his mouth
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about this money and carrying the the money around in his briefcase and of course you spoke to the wrong person
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Yeah you mentioned this to Scott that only cares about himself okay now I got to get rid of you so I can have this
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money well now that Scott's back is against the wall he decides that he wants to agree to a new plea deal
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so Scott ends up pleading guilty to two counts of second-degree murder in the deaths of Leanne Emery Jennifer Markham
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Casey MacLeod and Terry Kimball so they got all four murders technically solved by this time at the sentencing the
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families of the victims were able to read Victim Impact statements Jennifer markham's father said quote how many
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other people are missing as a result of his life it's time for Scott to be a man and give
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back what he took from us Scott did not respond to this he's 43 years old at this time and he was
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sentenced to 70 years in prison with parole eligibility after 35 years when he would be
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doing the math here 78 years old it's still ridiculous that he has any hope of getting out yeah he won't get out he
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will fail those Pro hearings possibly I mean he fooled he's fooled a lot of people and it's hard too because
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I mean I know we've said you know these FBI agents were kind of stupid and and the other people that he fooled and he
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probably could pick out gullible people but it's hard even when you see like I was we talked before about him making
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those statements in an interview that he's only been to the place that Jennifer Markham was murdered once she
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doesn't remember and it's like maybe he's telling the truth maybe he's lying we don't know at this point he he just
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seems to lie about everything but he also when he talks he doesn't Bundy had this way during his interviews
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where it was like this Cockiness and this I'm smarter than you thing and and Scott doesn't come off that way he comes
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off very matter of fact so I I don't want to say my my biggest argument with the FBI is that you know
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that you're getting into bed with a con man and that you need to be all eyes open
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ears open and focused knowing that this guy is probably going to try to con you as well the other thing I notice about
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him when you talk about interviews with Scott Campbell one thing that he is amazing at really his ability to
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answer time and time again with an answer that is just loaded with vagueness that
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doesn't really doesn't really suggest that that he's denying what you're asking him or
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agreeing with what you're asking him right it just kind of leaves the door half open to every question every
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possibility so Scott later tells the Daily Camera in a written answers to questions
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as to why he took this plea deal he says quote I'm a gambler I know a great deal
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when I see one I was already doing 48 years for fraud why take a chance of receiving four death sentences or life
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sentences without parole when I could put four potential murder cases to rest right
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in 2011 and a 47-page letter to his cousin this is the the man that wrote the book Scott
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Air quotes confessed to the four murders he said that he and Casey were alone when she OD'd on the meth alcohol and
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oxy mix that he gave her Scott says he gave a fatal dose of heroin to Jennifer Markham and says that
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he shot both Leanne and Terry Scott's cousin Ed coetz says nobody can have confidence that Scott is speaking the
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complete truth because of his long history of lying now I think Scott is trying to be honest but he has problems
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I think there's still things he's holding back on and I think he has difficulty sometimes mentally and
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psychologically differentiating truth from fiction because he has had to live his lies for so long I think it's part
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of his pathology well it's possibly part of the reason why he passed a lie detector test
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because if you don't think it's a lie then how is it going to show deception that's just one of many things that the
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great George Costanza has taught all of us right right so but I think these crimes
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I think he was uh infatuated with Jennifer Markham well that's perfect that you bring this up now because I I
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want to take this now that we know for certain that he committed these murders we know that by his own his own
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statements and by all the evidence that the investigators were able to put together
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you're you're bringing up the very interesting topic of motive right so if we start with Terry
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Scott comes out and whether you want to believe him or not it seems believable because again this guy has done all
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these fraudulent things for money it's possible that he would then kill somebody then for money and he says well
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you know Terry came into some money I think killed him for that money and then we look at like the motive of
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why he would want to kill a son about that sixty thousand dollars overhead as far as insurance and we already know
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that he has committed insurance fraud so is it it's not that far to go well it's
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another insurance fraud just add on murder to that where I think it gets interesting
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is the three females and you know he meets or basically is aware of two of the females through inmates almost like he's
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envious of the inmates that's why you have these girls coming to see you riding pictures of them right hear
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stories from these other guys yeah and he's such a con artist that that's all he needs that little bit of an in
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and he can then be around you and I don't think necessarily that any of these women
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wanted him in any sexual manner I he might not have been he might not have even tried that angle right he
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might just like with Jennifer Markham when when you start going okay you need a place to stay I'll give you a place to
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stay you know I'll be an answer for you and then at some point my obsession with
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you or some sexual desire is going to come out because I do believe that um Scott is a rapist a murderer
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I believe those were the motives yeah yeah well so we have Scott's cousin Ed Cohen who who would issue a statement
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on Scott's behalf and please do not hear what I am not saying but this is Scott's words all right okay
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don't hear what I'm not saying these are Scott's words I mean no ill will toward
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his cousin Ed I actually think that Ed writing the book um SLK is an attempt to help
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with some of these investigations and help put together a record of of what we believe to be the truth so I think Ed's
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trying to help the case he's issuing this statement on Scott's behalf these are Scott's words this is after Scott's
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sentencing he basically blames the FBI for his own actions and look the the words of whatever that that
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statement that that's got issues some could say it's interesting some could say Nick could you include it
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would you read it and I'll tell you what no I'm not going to read any part of that here because
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this is a man Scott Kimball that is so damn cold-blooded he time and time again planned the murders of those around him
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some of these people he was supposed to be helping some that were helping him and one person that he planned to murder
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but thankfully it didn't work he tried to kill his 10 year old son the only person deserving of blame in
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any of these matters is Scott Lee Kimball a man so evil and so cowardice that he tried to kill a little boy
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Scott Lee Kimball is not anything special even as a con man he's a loser everything this coward attempted or
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tried to get away with he eventually failed yes it took a long time but he failed
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last week we spoke of a letter Scott wrote regarding the man that sexually assaulted Scott when he was young and
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that that man that cruel and cowardice man his name was Theodore Payton by the way Scott says that that man just
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destroyed his childhood and robbed him of his innocence and I believe that to be an extremely accurate statement but
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Scott grew up to be and decided to be a man even more cruel and cowardice than the man who stole his innocence
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so when we talk about motive with this creep it's just not so simple as to pointing to money as the motivating
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factor because when we talk about Scott Campbell we are discussing a psychopathic killer one that reminds me
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very much of Leonard Lake and H.H Holmes or what I believe is more fun to say calling him by his real name Herman
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Webster budget likely we have a multitude of motives that likely varies based on the victim
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right financial gain covering up other crimes and sexual sadism and Scott claims that his major
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motivator was greed Scott wrote These are his words quote if anybody wants to know why I did what I did my answer is
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that I always did it for the money huge amounts of money end quote but Scott is a liar he spent his whole
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adult life lying to everyone right all of the time so it's easy to believe that he is lying here as well because what
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huge amount of money did he get when he abducted and murdered his soon-to-be wife's daughter Casey the answer is none
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and then we have one of our beloved prosecutors Amy akobu the assistant D.A who helped
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nail Scott said his motives were pretty simple he liked to control people she said I
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think he thrived more on the ability to manipulate and control the relationship even while they were still alive for a
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while to have that power and use them for what he could use them for while he could
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until he just didn't need it anymore [Music] [Applause] [Music] all right everybody stay safe thanks for
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joining us in the garage Nick do we have a recommended reading this week today we
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are recommending the Supreme gentleman killer the true story of an Enzo mass murderer by long time friend of the show
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and author of many great true crime books Brian Whitney this is a fascinating book about Elliott Roger
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learn about his Twisted world and his revenge plan that resulted in the mass murder of several innocent young adults
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the Supreme gentleman killer is available on Kindle and paperback and if you don't have time to write that title
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down right now simply go to True Crime garage.com and click on our recommended page all right until next week everybody
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be good be kind and don't litter foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music]