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[Music] thank you [Music] on a warm evening in a tiny little Texas town just a short distance from Fort Worth
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three teenagers were getting ready to head out together for a night of fun in fact in some ways it was likely to be
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a special night it was a date night with a third wheel but a welcomed one seventeen-year-old Robert brand was a
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good kid and he had been granted the use of the family car Brand's 15 year old cousin Mark dunman
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was in town visiting from California Robert brand and Mark dunman climbed into the brand Family Ford
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headed off to pick up Bran's girlfriend pretty 16 year old Edna Sullivan Edna was a smart and popular high
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schooler all three of the teens were looking forward to the night together night out
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after her parents approved Edna rushed out the door when the two teens arrived to pick her up
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the three were off to catch a movie at the local drive-in movie theater the night was going well
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after the movie the weather was still great they still had some time until curfews
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they decided to enjoy the comfortable summer night in each other's company a little longer before heading home
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so they drove around briefly before parking the car at a local baseball field the three teens got out of the Ford and
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decided they would hang out near the car and just shoot the breeze some more before taking Edna back for the night
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if only the weather could have been less favorable that night maybe the teens would have went straight
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home after the movie and it rained at least the three of them would not have been standing outside
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leaning up against the Ford in full view of whoever or whatever passed by now even though it was a Saturday night
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this is a tiny Texas town so any Vehicles passing by would have been few and far between
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in fact the area was a bit of a ghost town that night but only if those ghosts could talk
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maybe they could have worn the teens about what was about to happen across town two men were cruising around
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in a two-door Dodge with the windows down partly so they could enjoy the cool summer air and for one of them
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so he could have a clear unobstructed view of the streets and the cars as they drove by slowly surveilling the
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area the two men were dirty brows and chests coated with dried salty sweat from the
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day's labors they had spent the day working in the hot summer sun pouring concrete
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the young man in the passenger seat was 18 year old Roy Dale Greene Roy wanted to go home after working that
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day after all the day was long the work was hard and he was tired but instead of going straight home he
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was stuck riding shotgun with his boss's son nonetheless his boss's son was Ken Ken was two years older than Roy
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Roy didn't care much for Ken Roy was afraid of Ken Ken was tall large and often during the
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work days Ken liked the brag about having a criminal record after cruising around a little longer
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Roy was losing his patience and he asked Ken where are we going what are we doing out here
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Ken turned and gave Roy a cold dark look and said I'm looking for a girl around 10 pm Ken spotted the three teens
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leaning up against the Ford near the baseball field he drove closer and told Roy to be quiet
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with the windows of the Dodge still in the down position Ken slowed the car as they approached
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the ball field he had his right hand on the steering wheel his left arm hanging out of the
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driver's side window when they got close to the Ford Ken put his right foot gently on the brake pedal
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his two-door Dodge muscle car now creeping along at a near crawl Ken wanted to really see the three teens
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he wanted to observe them he wanted to look at the girl when he saw her when he really saw her
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he knew that was it a beast inside of him was going to get her Ken would have it no other way
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Ken lifted his foot from the brake pedal allowing the Dodge to continue on first
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at the usual idling speed and then accelerating just enough to push the car down the Lonely Road at the normal speed
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Ken parked his car about 150 yards down the road from the teenagers Ken told Roy
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he was going to rob the teens and have a little fun can open the car door he leaned over and
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retrieved his 38 Colt revolver from the glove box he looked at Roy and told him when I get
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out of the car you get in the driver's seat once I get up there to those kids you pull the car up to me
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Ken got out of the car and walked at a faster Pace than normal from this distance those three teenagers
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almost look like tiny people they grew a little taller with each step he took towards them
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it already made up his mind those little people were going to be his when he was close enough
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when he was close enough he decided it was time to take control of those little people
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he pulled out his gun aimed it at the oldest boy and told them if you don't do what I say I'll shoot
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and kill all of you Ken demanded the keys to the victims forward with Roy following in Ken's car with
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Ken's Gun still on the three Roy pulled up alongside of what Roy thought or robbery victims
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Ken told the three teenagers to get in the trunk of the brand Family Ford they complied
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Ken drove the victim's car along a highway once again followed behind Ken came to a field and parked in the
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field Roy parked nearby Ken got out of the car and walked to the rear of the vehicle he opened up the
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trunk and then at gunpoint he ordered 16 year old Edna Sullivan out of the trunk
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of the fort Ken then instructed Roy to put her into the trunk of his Dodge with Edna secured in the closed trunk of
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the Dodge and with the two male teens still in the trunk of the Ford huddled together
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Ken said he would have to knock him off Robert brand and Mark dunman begged for their lives Ken ignored their cries and
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fired six shots unloading all of the bullets from the cylinder of his revolver into the trunk
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of the car killing both of the teenage boys that he had placed there they left the vehicle parked right there
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on that isolated country road Ken got back into his vehicle once again he was behind the wheel Roy took to the
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passenger side the girl was still in the trunk they drove off to another location this
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new spot was just as secluded as the field where Kenneth executed the boys after assaulting the girl Ken used a
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three foot long piece of a broomstick from his car to take her life that night Roy
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and unfortunately those three kids learned what real evil was Ken was a classic case of real true Pure
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Evil Kenneth Allen McDuff was six foot four inches tall 20 years old and mean as hell
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it already killed three people that we know of when he was a kid they called him a bully
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when he was 18. they called him the bad boy from Rosebud when he killed they called him the broomstick killer
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and when he killed again they called him monster this is True Crime garage foreign
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[Music] this brings us to the following morning when some fishermen made a horrific
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Discovery now we should set the table first by stating that Robert Brandt's parents
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were wondering what was going on heck they were probably discussing what kind of punishment to hand out as we know
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from the terrible events of the previous night Robert brand and his cousin Mark dunman did not come home Edna's parents
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had no clue what was going on they weren't worried at all this is because when they woke up that Sunday morning
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they were completely unaware that their daughter was missing this is because Edna while she left their house Saturday
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late afternoon early evening to go on her date however this was supposed to be a double
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date Rhonda Chamberlain was a close friend of ednas Rondo was supposed to go on the date
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with Edna so Edna and Robert were a couple and Rhonda had been on at least one maybe
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two dates with Robert's cousin Mark before the night that the three youths were killed
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so after Robert and Mark picked up Edna they went to Rhonda's house to pick her up
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Edna was going to stay over at Rhonda's house after the double date but when they got to Rhonda's house they learned
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that she was not feeling well so the three went out without her Edna still planned to stay at Rhonda's
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but this is a time when we weren't all in constant communication with one another
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so when Edna did not return to Rhonda's house that night she just thought that Edna decided to go
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home and his parents thought that she was at Rhonda's house and they didn't know that
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Edna was missing until Rhonda calls them the next morning looking for her friend
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it's crazy to think about how things could have been much different if Rhonda would have went along with the friends
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Rhonda could have been killed as well or possibly a group of four instead of three maybe
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they're never attacked in the first place I think this monster was gonna do what he was gonna do no matter how many
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people were there that's the thing with somebody like McDuff I think that if it wasn't going to be
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these three youths or Edna and Rhonda or whomever I think he had made up his mind that he was going
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to abduct rape and kill someone I think he was going to find a victim no matter what that night and unfortunately these
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are the three that he found one is very strange too because a lot of these killers they take their
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time and they roam by themselves not with the individual in their car and then on top of that they look for
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one individual one vulnerable and individual it's almost like this guy wanted a challenge yes I it's hard to say it's
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one of those situations too where it may have been slim pickings for somebody that's out
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there looking for such a victim right but you're right it's weird that he chose to have a partner or an accomplice
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that night before we get too far into the weeds let's continue on with with our timeline here Captain so the
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fishermen found the brand Family Ford the next morning at Daybreak very early the vehicle was found just off of the
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road in that field where the two boys were killed this is right where Kenneth McDuff and Roy green had left the
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vehicle the two teenage boys still in the trunk of the car The Killers still unknown to the police
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at this time and for whatever reason they had used Edna's mascara to write her name on the back window of the
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vehicle from my understanding they had taken this vehicle captain and tried to wedge
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it up against a fence I believe the reason that they attempted to do this is because
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with the bodies in the trunk and the way that the bodies were without getting too far into these
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horrific descriptions they were not able to close the trunk completely and so they decided to back it up and
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wedge it up against a fence hoping to conceal the horrific scene in some form or
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fashion but we now know that clearly didn't work as as soon as the sun comes up this vehicle
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is spotted but what a horrific scene this is something you'd find in a horror movie so of course the county sheriff's
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department was called and out they came to the death car in the field investigators found Edna's white straw
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purse in the back seat of the vehicle Robert Brandt's parents were notified immediately
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they were told that sheriffs found the two boys shot to death in the trunk of the car
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they had located some of the girls personal belongings but they could not find the girl and they didn't really
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know where to look of course Robert's parents were asked if anyone else would have been out with their son his cousin
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and a girlfriend that night this led the sheriff's detectives to Rhonda the girl
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that the teenage girl that by some stroke of some really good luck was not with the
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three teens that were killed that night hell's authorities that she was supposed
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to have gone with the three that night and that no one else was planning on going in fact she told the detectives
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that Edna told Rhonda she would be at her house no later than 11 30 p.m the night before and when she didn't arrive
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she thought that her friend had changed her mind and just went back to her own house after the date the sheriff now had
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the terrible job of telling Edna's parents what was going on between the sheriff's department and Edna's family
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neither were very hopeful the vibe I got Captain when reviewing comments it looks
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like they were all but convinced that they were looking for a body at this point
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this case of course is all kinds of horrible but for the detectives and the sheriff in charge they are about to get
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a break in their case a break of the biggest kind now our two killers are not in the
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immediate area at all in fact they are near Marlin Texas so they are in another County
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from where they left the boy's bodies in the car in fact they are about two hours south
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of where the murders took place we have a pretty definitive timeline here for the event so let's go through
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that and see how this all plays out here captain so Kenneth McDuff and Roy Green Spot the
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three teenagers a little after 10 pm as we already said the boys were killed a short time after that then McDuff and
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green take the girl in mcduff's car about half of a mile north of where they left the boys
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sadly and sparing the horrific details Edna was killed there a short time later after she was killed macduffin Greene
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took the body carrying her further from the road they were looking for a fast way to conceal
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the body they threw the body over a fence they hopped the fence and then dragged the body leaving it behind some
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bushes after they concealed the body they decided that it was time to get out of
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there they have a considerable drive to make they're going to drive mcduff's Dodge back to Roy Green's apartment
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which is near Marlin Texas during the early portion of the drive McDuff discards the broomstick and spent
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shell casings from his revolver he does this simply by tossing them out of his window throwing the items at random
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spots along the roadside this to me Captain is always interesting when we get details like this because
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we see how often these types of criminals these types of killers they truly mimic one another either
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knowingly or unknowingly there's at least a dozen killers that we've talked about that when asked how they got rid
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of the evidence or concealed the evidence so well they're nonchalant about it they're like
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yeah I just tossed it out the car window as I was driving away from the scene while they disguard their victims as
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trash so they're disregarding the evidence as trash as well now also on the way home they stop off and purchased
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Coca-Cola from a Hillsborough gas station at this same gas station both McDuff and green disposed of some of
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their bloody clothing then they arrive at Roy Green's place and they spend the night there
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now we mentioned that McDuff like to brag to Roy at work about his criminal record yeah because he's a piece of [ __ ]
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Roy believed that most of it if not all of these evil Deeds that McDuff claimed to have committed were simply as the
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kids say bull pucky I wonder what Roy was thinking now after these murders yeah because this is
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evidence that this guy he's been telling you he's a piece of [ __ ] he's telling
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you he does shitty things and now he's proved to you that he is a monster after killing Edna on the drive back and while
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they're trying to go to sleep that night so McDuff is saying some real scary [ __ ]
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to Roy in fact he told him that even before the hell of this night that he had already raped and killed two women
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he's also coaching Roy on what to say and what to do should Roy get questioned by police about the events of that night
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this guy's a real turd sniffer he's telling him things like you just want to say nothing at all
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don't don't say anything at all when they try to press you for answers when they keep asking you questions get
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an attorney he even says when they start to beat on you we got to keep in mind this is Texas in
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the 60s that sounds like a real party when they start to beat on you just keep your mouth shut because whatever you get
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afterwards you know whatever you get from being found guilty or being put in prison will be a lot worse done to you
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than what the cops will do to you so just keep your mouth shut get an attorney we didn't see each other
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tonight he also says and this is unfortunately one of the more famous quotes from
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Kenneth McDuff but he tells Roy Dale green killing a woman is like killing a chicken they both squawk well this guy's
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all kinds of levels crazy and all kinds of levels demented at this time Kenneth McDuff is 20 years old
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what I'm seeing here Captain is look we we need to be perfectly honest here Roy Dale green terrible dude he was
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involved in this stuff with McDuff he was his accomplice but what we're seeing what I see here is
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two very different sets of actions and behaviors by these two people that committed these crimes together
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one we have McDuff who appears to be the the the leader the driving force between
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the two he says he wanted to find a girl he's the one that puts them in the position to be out looking for victims
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and all along he's not only steering the ship but he seems to know what the hell
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he's doing he seems to be concealing evidence and instructing Roy what to do if he's
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spoken to by the police or interviewed by Detectives so well one could argue that this was
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going to happen whether Roy was with him or not exactly and I feel like we're talking about a situation here Captain
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where either Kenneth McDuff has done this before so he knows what he's doing or he's put a whole hell of a lot of
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thought into it and planned a lot of this stuff in advance and now he's carrying out those plans this night and
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as we will see the following day as well well and like you said he is the definition of a monster the three youths
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were killed late Saturday night the following day the death car in the bodies of Robert and Mark are found that
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morning we already said that the girl's purse was found and its contents emptied
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out into the vehicle now authorities also recovered the boy's wallets these were found in the car as well both
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emptied out but the sheriff and his men they have no clue they they have no idea
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Sunday morning where 16 year old Edna is [Music] thank you [Music] be ready [Music]
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all right we are back cheers mates to the people in the front and the people in the back and to Colonel cheers he's
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back I'm back don't ask us what our middle names are you're strange so that same morning
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we're about a hundred miles away we have Kenneth McDuff he wakes up at his co-worker slash his accomplice to a
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triple homicides apartment Roy Dale green now for McDuff this looks like it's just truly just another day for
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this guy but for his accomplice Roy Greene if he managed to get any sleep at all I would be surprised but for him Roy
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he woke up in a nightmare he quickly found himself in a mental hell full of emotional turmoil well he
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deserves it McDuff tells green that they are going to bury mcduff's revolver beside Green's garage and they do
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how convenient for green that they're going to put the murder weapon of two individuals
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right there next to his his house or his apartment then the two of them Drive the Dodge
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to the home of a mutual friend so this guy's name is Richard Boyd Boyd is actually the one who introduced Roy
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Greene to Kenneth McDuff only about a month prior to the murders now it's really hard to say for certain
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but I don't think that Boyd was made aware of what his two friends had done the night before or at least not at this
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point in our timeline but Boyd allowed McDuff to wash and scrub clean his car at his home that day now Boyd these are
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still relatively young dudes right McDuff is 20. and Roy green is only 18 at this time I don't know how old Boyd
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is but Boyd still lives with his parents so we could assume similar ages the other two guys by this time of of the
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day on Sunday with the discoveries of the boys bodies and the car earlier that morning
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the story is all over the news by the middle of the day there in Texas then once Kenneth McDuff is gone once he
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leaves Boyd's home Roy Dale green the accomplice he hears the news of the two boys being found in
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the trunk of Robert Brandt's parents car on the radio and he breaks down and starts crying so
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then green he then confesses about the murders to Richard Boyd's parents Boyd's parents
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tell Green's mother what Roy green said that he and Kenneth McDuff had done the night before
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Green's mother then convinces Roy Greene that he needs to turn himself in so on that Sunday the searches for Edna
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the missing girl they lasted all day however they came up with nothing they couldn't find her but that was all about
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the change because Roy green came clean to the sheriff and he told him what he did yeah so we actually have Roy
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Greene's statement that he gave to detectives on that Sunday yes this is Roy green it's his writing it's him
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speaking if you will here he says we rode around the baseball park and wound up on a gravel road McDuff and often he
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just says he when referring to McDuff he saw a car parked there and we stopped about 150 yards in front of it he got
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his gun and told me to get out I thought it all was a joke I just didn't believe
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what he said was going to happen I went halfway to the car with him and he went on he told the kids in the car
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to get out or he would shoot them I went up there and he had put them in the trunk of their car
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he drove his car back to their car and he told me to get in his car and follow him I did and we drove for a while
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across the highway we had come in on and he pulled into a field I followed and he
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said that the field wouldn't do so we backed up and went to another field he got out and told the girl to
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get out he told me to put her in the trunk of his car I opened the trunk and she
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climbed in it was then that he said that we couldn't leave any Witnesses or something like that he said I'm going to
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have to knock him off or something like that I got really scared I still thought he
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was joking but I wasn't sure they were on their knees begging him not to shoot them they said we're not going to tell
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anybody I turned towards him and he stuck the gun into the trunk where the boys were and started shooting I saw the
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Fire come out of the gun on the first shot I covered my ears and looked away shot six times
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he shot one twice in the head and shot the other boy four times in the head a bullet went through the boy's arm as he
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tried to stop the fire he tried to close the trunk but it wouldn't close he then told me to back
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up his car by that time I was almost dying of fright and I did what he said he got in the boy's car and backed it
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into a fence and he got out and told me to help him wipe off the fingerprints I wasn't going to argue with him I was
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expecting to be next so I helped him what a situation to be in like he said if he's telling the truth
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at some point he just thinks that this is all just a joke and that nobody's this crazy and nobody
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is this monstrous and nobody's gonna just kill these two guys just so he can get to this girl
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well I said earlier I would be surprised if he got any sleep at all Kenneth McDuff is there at his apartment with
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him that night after these murders and in fact in his statement he goes on to explain what happened after they killed
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the boys but we don't need to tell every story or every part of the story we'll we'll spare everyone the details of what
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happened after that simply to show a little bit of respect to to our female victim here but
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you can see in his statement like you said Captain if Roy green is telling the truth there he goes very quickly from
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believing a this is a game a this is a joke this large jerk that I have to hang out with for work uh he's just making
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all this stuff up he's trying to be some time some kind of tough weird guy uh to Roy green believing that Kenneth
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McDuff was going to kill him as well and his statements were that you know I was
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nearly frightened to death by that time he tells me we can't leave any Witnesses
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or something like that he's probably sitting there thinking holy [ __ ] I'm a witness as well even though I was riding
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shotgun in mcduff's car I technically am a witness here and so of course green once he turns himself in
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he's going to be asked by reporters you know why did you turn yourself in and he
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says that he he just couldn't stop thinking about what he had witnessed and what he was a part of and even the
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things that he had done the night before he said that I quote I could not live with myself I didn't want it on my mind
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he was saying things like every time I close my eyes I was seeing events from the night before
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and he even said that he was hearing The Haunting moans of the two boys like he couldn't quit hearing that
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and so unfortunately he did not do the right thing on that Saturday night but he does the right thing on that Sunday
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and turns himself in after being counseled to do so by his parents his mother and Boyd's parents as well
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but question for you what is the right thing at the in that moment he just killed two guys in front of you that he
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says are witnesses like you say in his mind if he thinks he's a witness then everything that he's doing is just
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self-preservation at that point it is with the exception of some of the things that took place afterwards when they
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moved Edna to another location um he he's he's got blood on his hands and that's the about the most polite way
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that I can put it um you know Aetna wasn't unfortunately and this sounds weird to say
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unfortunately Edna was not shot like the boys were she had a much slower lengthier death and McDuff used a
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broomstick to not just choke her with it essentially Crush her her neck her throat you know whether
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green was did it out of being terrified or what have you he was part of that he was there for
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that he helped control this young girl all the while and and you're right Captain it's it's
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it's easy for for dumb garage guy here that's sitting in the air conditioning with a with a cold beer
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in the in in the comfort of our own garage to to to sit up on Mount Pius here and say what is the right thing and
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what is the wrong thing and none of us really know what to do how the hell any of I I just
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telling the story to I can understand Roy Green's Terror because just telling this story makes the hair stand up on on
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my arms and so I can I get it that he says that he's he's terrified how I'm a little scared telling the story here
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myself but it's it's one of those things that you just if I'm in the situation hell
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yeah I'm terrified hell yeah I'm scared and yeah you're right it becomes self-preservation at some point I guess
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in hindsight looking back on it what you say here is if there's any opportunity to get your hands on that
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gun that's the right thing that's the right thing to do if you have an opportunity to get your hands on that
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gun that's the right thing to do now we've referenced a little bit Kenneth mcduff's size but you know 18 to 20
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dudes that are a little older can be a little intimidating Kenneth McDuff is in intimidating by Nature not just by his
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size but by his actions the way that he speaks and he's he's very he's very cold
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and very rugged and he's six foot four about 200 pounds he was a little thin at this point but you take a look at a
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picture of Roy green and Roy green looks like a boy I mean I know that he's 18 years old but he looks like he was about
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15 in the pictures that I've seen and he's real thin so Gunner no gun we'll try to put some
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of those pictures up on Instagram but I would argue first of all you're a piece of [ __ ] for hanging out with somebody
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that you think is a piece of [ __ ] if you think this guy is dangerous you don't
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like this guy you shouldn't be hanging out with him in the first place but then you get into this odd situation
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where yeah if you can get a hold of that gun that maybe you can control the situation maybe you can
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kill this guy but if not if this guy kills you if you if you act up and he gets nervous that
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you are now just going to be another eyewitness if if he kills you this becomes a
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quadruple homicide and I don't know if this case gets solved at that point your only hope for
00:39:39
solving this case is connecting Kenneth McDuff to Roy Greene because there is a connection there there's no connection
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between Kenneth McDuff Roy green and the three teens that were killed and and green you know he he worked with
00:39:52
McDuff he they were co-workers so and they had worked all day that day together in that area and it was after a
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couple beers after work that McDuff decided he wanted to find a girl as he said and so I don't know how much we
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would say that Roy green was hanging out with McDuff I get I get more of the impression of like this is a guy that I
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work with he's kind of my boss because his father owns the company that that I work for and I feel like
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this is a dude that he had to be around Kenneth McDuff and probably didn't like him and thought that
00:40:31
a lot of what this guy said was was complete hogwash uh you know bragging about being
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some kind of of criminal but so some reports here Captain say that Kenneth McDuff was arrested Sunday night
00:40:46
others other Reports say that he was arrested sometime on Monday so I'm not certain
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which one is factually true either way arresting Kenneth McDuff is a much different operation
00:41:00
than arresting Roy Greene green turned himself in going not only along willingly
00:41:08
but telling investigators everything he knew about the crimes and the evidence with Kenneth McDuff it's a whole
00:41:16
different situation they they're trying to find him they're trying to locate him
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because they get his name in in some of his information from Roy green but this dude's already
00:41:29
committed a whole bunch of crimes a lot of kind of petty crimes in the area so this is a guy that is well known to the
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local authorities he's well known to the sheriff yeah he's what I like to call a local known bag of
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[ __ ] I think we need to dig into something here you know who is Kenneth McDuff leading up to this and we hinted
00:41:53
around about his troubles with the law and the trailer a bit but this is a guy that the authorities in the area the
00:42:00
sheriff and his Department were well aware of Kenneth McDuff and his family so Kenneth McDuff grew up in the Tiny
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Town of Rosebud Texas back in the late 60s the town was so small that it was often referred to as a
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one-horse town the most recent the 2020 census shows just over 1200 residents like most
00:42:26
Texas towns on your list of notable people one may expect to find someone of notable football Fame so even in this
00:42:35
Tiny Town Rosebud has three one successful Collegiate football coach and two NFL players one of which is
00:42:43
legendary Hall of Famer LaDainian Tomlinson but it's a short list of people which makes sense with a small
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population but the list of notable persons from Rosebud is just four names long three of the men of football
00:43:00
excellence and the other unfortunately is Kenneth McDuff next to his name it says the broomstick killer
00:43:09
a serial killer responsible for the deaths of 9 to 14 people a man who reshaped the criminal justice
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system in Texas well let's dive more into his background in history Kenneth's mother Addie was locally called the
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pistol pack in mama because she was known to regularly carry carry a gun and had a reputation for
00:43:32
pulling a gun on people in town she says she carried the gun because Rosebud was a rough Place back then
00:43:40
Rosebud was likely a rough place because of her son's Lonnie and Kenneth the mcduffs had four kids total two
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girls and two sons Kenneth was the youngest of the four now in school Kenneth was known to be
00:43:58
intelligent a loner and a bully well that's commonly known as the smartass jackass he did not finish High School
00:44:07
and he started to break the law when he was about 16 years old later The Falls County Sheriff would
00:44:16
tell people that Kenneth and his older brother Lonnie were two of the roughest hoodlums Falls County Texas had back in
00:44:25
the 60s and we're talking about this he's he's talking about them before these murders
00:44:32
now Kenneth's father owns a successful concrete business the one that we mentioned that Roy
00:44:40
Greene was working for Kenneth's mother owned a laundromat so while they are as successful family
00:44:49
they are plenty Rough Around the Edges if you will if you want to talk about obvious murderous Tendencies signs of a
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future serial killer here's one for you as a boy Kenneth McDuff in his spare time would walk around with a 22 caliber
00:45:07
gun and was known around town for shooting and killing small animals and birds so
00:45:14
to be perfectly clear here he's not hunting in the sense that one would go out and hunt for sport say like a deer
00:45:21
hunter no he's just walking around with the 22 and if he sees an animal or a bird he's likely to shoot it just for
00:45:28
his own Amusement that's because he's a freaking barbaric psychopath now one major issue captain in my humble garage
00:45:36
opinion here is that Kenneth and his brother Lonnie were it looks like they were allowed to
00:45:43
pretty much do what they wanted to with little to no consequences and this is because largely in part of
00:45:51
their mother Addie their mother considered her two sons to be perfect little angels while as we mentioned the
00:46:00
sheriff and the deputies referred to Kenneth and Lonnie as two of the roughest hoodlums and Hooligans in town
00:46:06
so quite a contrast in opinions there I should say well what's crazy here is that you'd think that you'd have some
00:46:14
respect he has a strong-minded strong-willed mother and he has two siblings two sisters and I don't know
00:46:22
you'd think he'd have some kind of natural respect for women so Kenneth starts to get into trouble around the
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age of 16 at some point he drops out of high school His official criminal record
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began two years before these murders in 1964 at age 18 McDuff was convicted of 12 counts of burglary and attempted
00:46:48
burglary in three different Texas counties so Falls County Bell County and Milam County
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he was sentenced to 12 four-year prison terms which would have been great because then he would have been locked
00:47:03
up instead of being out in 66 committing these murders but the terms the prison terms were to be served
00:47:13
concurrently so you're not getting 12 four-year prison terms you're basically getting
00:47:20
one you're serving them all at the same time one four-year prison term yeah which is
00:47:25
pretty ridiculous so he actually makes parole in December of 1965. he's out of prison
00:47:34
for a short period of time but then returned to prison after becoming involved in some type of fight this must
00:47:41
have been a violation of his parole so he sent back to prison briefly and he is soon released after
00:47:50
that well it's just so crazy how many times we hear about these killers that if they would have
00:47:56
serve their full term that they wouldn't have been out of prison to commit this new crime so that brings us up to
00:48:04
1966 when these three murders are committed and like we said arresting McDuff is a completely different
00:48:14
situation than arresting Roy Greene they had to figure out one where McDuff would be and because of his nature and
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what they knew about him already and regardless of burying the gun near Roy Green's
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Homer Apartments they were worried law enforcement was worried about McDuff being armed and of
00:48:40
course he's considered to be very dangerous so they wanted to kind of Ambush him and their first attempt at
00:48:48
arresting McDuff was he had told green and some other people that he had a date which would have been Sunday
00:48:57
the day after the murders so they try to Ambush him when picking up his date and I don't know if they
00:49:05
arrived on the scene late they they may not have known all the the details the the important stuff to to
00:49:13
kind of corner this guy but they end up having to fire a significant amount of bullets at McDuff
00:49:22
and his vehicle and it's only after they shoot out his tires and arrest him with
00:49:28
guns drawn that he gives himself up he's arrested and immediately he's saying yeah I I'm innocent I didn't have
00:49:37
anything to do with with whatever that kid's talking about Roy Green's a liar is his basic defense
00:49:45
well that's his whole thing denied denied denied don't ever admit that you know anything well there's some problems
00:49:53
with his defense right first of all when you look at this Roy green and this is something that it's it's tough to kind
00:50:01
of convey to a jury and to people out there listening but the sheriff and his investigators
00:50:11
a lot of times we've seen this Captain where somebody comes forward with some kind of confession or some kind of
00:50:17
Fantastical story and they're able to see through it or they're able to start looking at
00:50:25
evidence and timelines and things like that and start to say you know not everything that this guy's saying lines
00:50:32
up in this situation it all lines up Rory Green's Story the timeline and the evidence and where he tells them they
00:50:40
can find stuff it all lines up and the defense of McDuff saying you know what this kid he's a liar he asked
00:50:50
to borrow my vehicle and he went out and did all this stuff himself on his own the problem for that is what so you you
00:51:00
gave your co-worker your gun and your vehicle and he went out and committed these Crimes by himself you have a
00:51:08
police record you are known in town to be this rough hole again and hoodlum and a bully and then
00:51:16
the evidence doesn't match up with mcduff's story right when you think about it because
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it's [ __ ] we know that you had to have two people committing this crime or at the very least one person committing
00:51:33
the crime who was in control enough that he was able to have one of the victims drive the car because we we're moving
00:51:40
two vehicles at one time at during this timeline of these events that takes two people to do that so that goes against
00:51:48
McDuff and that's a score one for Roy Greene but also remember they stopped off at that gas station on the way home
00:51:56
this is about halfway roughly between where the murders were committed and where Roy green lives and one thing that
00:52:04
they were able to figure out again they have all of Roy Green's story here they go to that gas station and two
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things happen there they find little chocolate ones they find two pieces of clothing that are
00:52:19
discarded that that have blood on them and these are two pairs of men's underwear so either Roy green did
00:52:28
this by himself and he was wearing two pair of underwear and and disposes of them in a trash can at this gas station
00:52:36
or he had a he had somebody with him and he says McDuff is the guy that was with
00:52:41
him and then on top of that McDuff is not he's not somebody that you're going to
00:52:47
easily mistake him for somebody else he's a pretty distinctive looking person right he's six foot four
00:52:57
he's tall he's got a nose like a beak he's got jet black hair he's somebody that would be easily
00:53:05
picked out of a crowd and you have the gas station attendant the person working there that night this is yeah it was two
00:53:12
of them that stopped here a tall guy and a young guy yeah and mcduff's your guy so got him all of these things fall in
00:53:20
favor of Roy Greene telling the truth and not that of Kenneth McDuff telling the truth this is going to bring us up
00:53:28
to the trial that begins in November of 1966. one thing that is incredibly strange here to me
00:53:37
in this cat in the story here Captain you know you find these little details that are just they're haunting and
00:53:44
they're bizarre but the murders again if in fact this was the first murders that Kenneth McDuff
00:53:52
was a part of and again by his own words to Roy green this these were not the first time that he had committed such
00:54:01
terrible Acts but this crime these triple this triple homicide was committed August 6 1966.
00:54:13
this is literally just days after the the Texas Tower shooting yeah Charles Whitman August 1st 1966 is when Charles
00:54:26
Whitman aged 25 climbed up that Tower in Austin Texas and opened fire on the people down below
00:54:34
and then you have five days later this incredibly horrific triple homicide that takes place
00:54:43
near the Fort Worth Texas area and so because of all this stuff is news Whitman was was dead after the events
00:54:55
that took place in Austin McDuff is alive and going to go to trial and the guy that helped him commit these
00:55:03
murders says this guy's a monster he's he's Pure Evil and the local law enforcement's agreeing with them and of
00:55:11
course the victim's family are saying all the same things and so the reporters want to know what somebody like Kenneth
00:55:18
McDuff would think of the Texas Tower shootings and Charles Whitman and he he is that guy must have been
00:55:26
Disturbed he must have been crazy it takes one to no one like you're not right like you're not there yeah and for
00:55:33
anybody that wants to check out that case we covered it episode 229 Charles Whitman and like the captain said the
00:55:43
trial started in November of 1966. so very quick right from the time of the murders to the arrest to the trial it
00:55:52
was August and now it's November and we are in a courtroom and we are going to try Kenneth McDuff for a triple homicide
00:56:00
also charging him with robbery rape and abduction the two individuals Roy Greene and
00:56:08
Kenneth McDuff will be actually tried separately because for obvious reasons Roy Greene is the
00:56:15
state's star witness he's not only the state's star witness but he is the key to trying to put away
00:56:24
this murderer this monstrous murderer McDuff [Music] oh I see so much more to get into to dive into
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tomorrow join us back here in the garage let us get back into your ear balls until tomorrow be good be kind and don't
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litter [Applause] foreign [Music]