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[Music] crime [Music] it's a voicemail unlike anything you've ever heard before there are two minutes worth of noises
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bizarre ones but very little actual Talking authorities confirmed the disturbing
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middle of the night call came from Henry McCabe's cell phone it was Labor Days September 7th at 2:28 in the morning
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McCabe's worried wife heard the message his and my cell phone connected Minnesota community policing Services is
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a nonprofit agency and acts as a goet with police and the librarian community the leader is trying to help the family
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make some sense of this recording the growls turn to high pitch Mo so like he's moaning in pain like
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moaning in pain the tortured grun suddenly stop there is silence then someone either
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Henry or another person says stop it I try to picture where he was um what it might have been like what circumstances
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would have made him sound like that the voicemail is in Star contrast to other articulate
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recordings of mccab speaking at an event he's a state auditor what is the justification what is the right thing to
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do the message is one piece of evidence Ms view police are reviewing the police chief tells me even the FBI is analyzing
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the recording and voices for Clues the chief says the investigation took deputies here on
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Tuesday to Rice Creek Park which borders New Bright in mountains view and Fridley
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all areas where mccave was reported seen or a cell phone ping placed him Ramsey County Water Patrol searched but came up
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[Music] empty there you just heard it portions of probably the strangest phone phone
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call most mysterious phone call we've ever played on this show and we have played some strange ones over the years
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Brandon Lawson comes to mind the West Mesa body pit case there was strange phone calls in that one as well I know
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Niner a brief overview of this case we have Henry McCabe he is a Minnesota Revenue Department employee on September
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6th 2015 he's 32 years old and he goes out to a club with some friends during the
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course of the evening Henry has several drinks later Henry and a friend are heading home when Henry supposedly
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convinced his friend to let him off at a gas station though no CCTV footage was found of Henry at an area gas station to
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confirm this that was the last time he would be seen alive then at about 2:30 a.m. a voicemail from Henry was left on
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his wife's phone on the call you can clearly hear screaming Ing and groaning and pain immediate searches for Henry
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mccab would reveal nothing right and there's not much here so let's start with what we do have and that is the
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audio from this voicemail now there was a fulllength version of this on the internet but for some reason it has
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since been taken down well we think there was I mean this could be like urban legend now at this point well
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right but there there seems to be signs of this or evidence of this or even speculation of this right because there
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are people online who have stated hey I know this was available at one time I can't find it anymore and we believe
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that the reporter is actually using the clip from the internet that the police released correct so this like you said
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the thought is that the police released this voicemail at some point I actually have some suspicions on this MH and my
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suspicions are I wonder if they release the full two minutes I I don't think they did if I had to guess because
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you've seen the way that things are copied and printed and pasted and and left on the internet it seems to me like
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if there was once the fulllength Audio I think it would there would be some version or some way of finding it still
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today right if anybody is an internet expert can try to find this clip I'd really love to take it and dissect it
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and to see if we could basically analyze it just like we did with the Brandon Lawson case and that was our first goal
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with this actually you and I were quite excited about this case because we were told hey at the center of this young
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man's disappearance MH is this strange horrifying phone call this voicemail two minutes long and we thought wow okay we
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can do exactly what we did with Brandon Lawson we can disect it and we can really listen to it piece by piece inch
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by inch and kind of give our own opinion of what we think is happening during the
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course of that 2 minutes mhm because you heard that Quick Clip there there's some
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really strange horrifying is really the only thing that I that I keep the word I keep
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coming back to when I hear the groans and the screaming there's some stuff that's almost like unexplainable too
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that you know the I tried to do almost like growling but there's also this weird how it goes from a a lower pitch
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growl to almost like a high squeal mhm and very uh unusual so the clip that we played for you during the trailer is by
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far the most famous most popular clip of this audio so if you do a quick search for Henry McCabe 911 call or Henry
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McCabe voicemail Henry mccab audio any of those things it will pull up usually that news clip first will be first in
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your your your find there yeah let's just be clear it's not a 911 call it's a it's a voicemail to his wife correct
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correct I just said that because that's a common Google search in uh this this case and I believe it's also confirmed
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that it was coming from his phone 100% it was confirmed that it was coming from Henry's phone now here's one thing that
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I really question and this is why I question if at anytime was the fulllength audio released and that's
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because in every report I could find they State you hear screaming you hear moans you hear groans and you clearly
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hear someone they they very specifically say someone either Henry or someone else
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yell stop it right the problem with that Captain is you heard that clip and I I've already said that's probably the
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most popular of this clip of this phone call right you never actually hear that stop
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it portion or anybody yelling stop it whether it be Henry or somebody else I in all the different versions of audio I
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could find of this phone call of this voicemail I never found one that played that portion of the tape right and you
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would think that this would be very similar to some of the other cases where you just have a clip that they they play
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over and over M uh like they would take this stop it and play it over and over on the news and they they didn't as much
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as I could find yeah at no point could I find that and then the thing that's very
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troubling about this is Henry is missing for quite some time and you think that this stop it portion of the audio would
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have been played for the public so let's go through the timeline in a little more
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detail shall we MH so on Sunday September 6th 2015 Henry joins at least two friends this is Calvin Johnson and
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William papis Kennedy at pov's Club this is a nightclub now they're going to be people familiar with this case and
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they're going to say Nick that is not the name of the nightclub this nightclub has held many names over the years it's
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actually referred to as three different names in the reports I could find for Simplicity I'm going to roll with povs
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for the POV stand for know I don't know if it stands for anything or if it's just simply short for something it
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should have been called POS well this is on Highway 65 and from everything I could find Captain Henry mccab and his
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friends are at this club just before the 9:00 hour at some point according to the
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people at the club with Henry Henry is so intoxicated that his friends decide to confiscate Henry's wallet so he
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cannot buy any more drinks all right so obviously he's buying so many drinks but
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the bartenders are still serving mhm and his friends say hey they're still serving him so we need to take this in
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our own hands and take his wallet there are you're going to see a common theme in this case and this is conflicting
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reports let's say yes there's multiple I mean almost every detail that we do know
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is conflicted in some way so there are many people that state that Henry had a few drinks that's their words MH a few
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drinks but for some reason he's so intoxicated that a friend has to confiscate his wallet so he cannot buy
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any more drinks now we all know what kind of suspicions that leads us to think of right and then you wonder is
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there well I guess the question the first question is is there any speculation that he might have been
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doing drugs where one his friends wouldn't know or maybe that his friends would know is he slipping into the
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bathroom and doing a little Co Kan little nose candy so here's what I would like to know one I would like to know
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what is his condition let's say at the 9:00 hour when he arrives at the club MH like you said was he partying before he
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arrives to to party with his friends was he already drunk yeah was he pregaming so think about this this is a holiday
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weekend he's got the next day off that's why he's at a club on a Sunday night who
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knows what was going on leading up to this so one I'd like to know more about Henry's condition at the 9:00 hour and I
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would also like a little more clarification on what was the what was going on at the club that night was it
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packed was there just a few people there right you know because you and I know just given the amount of people in the
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room can really add to conflicting stories and we've seen in the past how many people all of a sudden want to be
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involved in a case that you know they really have nothing to offer as far as information goes goes now you got people
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coming out of the woodwork going oh yeah I was at the club that night I saw that
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guy he I think he only had one or two drinks right regardless one consistent statement in
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this case is that the friend confiscated his wallet at some point so he could not
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buy more drinks mhm at 1:40 a.m. well let's just stop there cuz I want to that on one hand that makes it him look
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suspicious and on the other hand it makes him look like a very good friend so at one 40 a.m. we have Calvin Johnson
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one of Henry's friends he says that he sees Henry leaving the club with the other guy that we mentioned William
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papis Kennedy okay so at 1:40 a.m. these two people are leaving the club now he's
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going to be riding Henry will be riding in William Kennedy's call and why is he leaving I don't know what time it would
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be closing time I mean 1:40 is pretty late most bars in Columbus close around 2 :00 but obviously this is not in
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Columbus so we don't know exactly what time These Bars shut down it could be 4:00 a.m. for all we know and it could
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have nothing to do with closing time it could just be he's so drunk he's 32 he's
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drunk it's 1:40 in the morning you got to go home sometime right yeah that's one of my favorite lines when somebody
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says you're drunk go home yeah well at 2:15 a.m. according to William Kennedy who was driving Henry Henry asked to be
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dropped off at a super America gas station on Central and 73rd Avenue however cell pings Place him in the area
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of Creek View Park in New Brighton most reports state that the phone is off after this okay well let's start with
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the idea that his buddy's going to drop him off at the gas station okay maybe Henry's a smoker maybe he's going to try
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to get something to eat to sober up we don't know but we do know that the gas station has surveillance
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cameras and there's no footage of him on those on those tapes let's back it up just a second shall we because okay
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let's like juvenile yeah let's let's talk about this because we have uh Calvin Johnson who's saying he's so
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intoxicated I had to take his wallet yeah and then you have another friend going well he asked me to drop him off
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at a gas station and I did I just turned I just turned him loose he was so drunk
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that I just turned him loose on the town maybe Johnson's the good friend and and
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Kennedy's the the [ __ ] friend could possibly I I actually found this to be very upsetting to well I thought I found
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it to be very suspicious to be honest with you and when I first started looking into this the reports that I
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were reading I was reading made it sound like it was the same friend you know the
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same individual confiscated his wallet and dropped him off at a gas station in the middle of the night that's not true
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the reports are that Calvin Johnson was the one that took the wallet at some point William Kennedy is the guy that
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drops him off at the gas station regardless I still found this to be suspicious because I'm under the
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assumption he needs a ride home again I want to know Henry McCabe's condition at
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9 at 900 p.m. did he how did he get to the club did he ride there with William Kennedy right the the thing I also
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wonder that's not talked about a lot is is his wallet gone at this point or is his wallet back in his
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possession at this point because you're going to drop me off at a gas station for One For What and won't I need money
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and did he have money outside of the wallet oh I'll take my wallet but I still got some cash on me so I can get
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something at the gas station I was able to find an interview with this William Kennedy and he offers to shine a little
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bit of light on the subject to which he adds he says look I I wasn't like really
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good friends with Henry we we just kind of knew each other we weren't uh best friends we didn't run around in the same
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circles acquaintances exactly that's exactly what he says that their relationship was so it changes though
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you know when when the person you know sometimes in these cases somebody will quickly say oh yeah he's my buddy and
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then once they're once they think they're a suspect it's like we weren't that close well it's only 13 minutes
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later that at 2:28 a.m. a call is placed from Henry's phone and like you and I had already said it's confirmed that it
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comes from Henry's phone M and this call goes to his wife Karen the call leaves a
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two-minute voicemail that according to Media includes sounds of walking falling groans moans and things to the nature of
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like he got hurt or he's hurt right and then towards the end this is according to Media I've not heard this portion
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according to the media towards the end of the voicemail a voice says stop it now do we know if that was a female
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voice or a male voice I don't even think we know that do we well having not heard
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it one I don't know but the thing that I find interesting here is that it's they
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they are very clear to say to specify that it's doesn't have to be Henry yelling stop it it could be somebody
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else they're not certain nobody's claim to know who's saying stop it but with them saying that it could be Henry or it
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could not be Henry M my thought is leaning towards that it's probably a a male sounding voice right and if there
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was if the voice had any female characteristics they might allude to that as well right um and then it's the
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following day Monday September 7th 2015 Karine mccab contacts and files a missing person's Report with the Mounds
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View Police Department MH so the following day on Tuesday the police conduct a search of the super America
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gas station and the surrounding areas all right so continuing on the timeline yes and there's a lot of confusing
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information out there regarding this voicemail like I said at the center of this case this strange voicemail and
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what I mean by confusion is that we have the wife says she re receives the call Henry's wife however there are reports
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out there that state his brother was the one that received the voicemail I believe that the reason for
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this confusion it's actually very simple and very clear I think that I'm very happy to clear it all up for you guys
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right here right now well thank you Colonel it sounds to me that the call 100% came from Henry's
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phone and went to his wife's phone m voicemail left on his wife's cell phone however the person that brought
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the voicemail to the media and released it and gave it to the media was his brother that makes sense that's where
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the confusion lies so it's very simple he left this voicemail for his wife now regarding his wife Karen she's actually
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in California this takes place in Minnesota according to what law enforcement have stated Karen was in
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Cali preparing for a move the whole family was going to move to California for some
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reason right now in an interview with Kine she simply says look Henry was spending time with some friends that he
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hadn't seen in a long time that statement I find to be weird when we have the other gentleman saying hey
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we're just acquaintances right she says that she actually she might just be simplifying it by lumping them all
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together well he's going out there to see one friend and up hanging out with a friend and acquaintance well and again
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that's the problem with this case with this story what's going on at the club how many people was he meeting up with
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at the club right you know so anyway 5,000 right so spending time with some friends that he had not seen in a long
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time she says that she actually spoke to him that night and she believes that she
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spoke to Henry around the time that they were getting ready to leave the club at
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that point he says something like I'll call you back later so at that point she's saying he's coherent right then
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she gets later much later she gets that strange call in the middle of the night that's left on her voicemail to which
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she tries to call him back and she then says that her calls are going straight to his voicemail at
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that point so now she's worried and the next morning she reports her husband as missing and also if it's going straight
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to voicemail you're assuming at that point his phone was dead right and so here's some other things that we should
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throw in there it's it's been reported that the mccabes were experiencing financial difficulties at this time that
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they had defaulted on their rent uh Henry had received a bad review at work and was uh reportedly having work issues
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at that time now there are no what kind of issues do we know just issues I that I don't know we we have the the specific
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information of he had just received a bad review at work right um if usually if you get a bad review you are having
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some kind of work issues leading up to that yeah so there is no report or indication of marital problems between
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the two and as we said Karen was in California with their children at that time and she did return to Minnesota on
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September 10th to Aid in search efforts yeah and you also wonder at this point okay this married guy he's still pretty
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young has two kids he's going out drinking with his buddies you know is it uh you know a different area codes area
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codes type of situation is he just going out to drink with some buddies is he looking to try to find a lady to hook up
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with well so the search we we mentioned that the search is started at the super America gas station right and then the
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surrounding areas the super America gas station this is the way that they planned out these searches let's put
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everybody at this gas station where we have been told is the last Lo last known location of Henry McCabe right right and
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we're going to have everybody fan out and search from this gas station walking back to his residence yes seems like a
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logical it's a 35-minute walk so according to his driver according to the man that was driving him he requested to
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be dropped off there it seems like quite a distance to try to trekk it on your own
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right but if you're drun then you might not care or might not know the other thing I had to wonder about too with
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this friend or acquaintance whatever we want to label him as dropping Henry off in the middle of the night at a gas
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station right you have to wonder you you ever get that person that's really intoxicated and you're trying to help
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them but they're just so damn annoying that you give up at some point you quit trying to be reasonable you know if if
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he's throwing a fit or if he just insist and insist and insist on being dropped off at the gas station at some point do
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you just give in and go all right buddy you're a grown man well yeah well I was trying to
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figure out if this gas station was known to have uh sex workers there because sometimes s in these small towns you you
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might have walkers right uh when I lived in Richmond Indiana we had walkers but there was one or two stops like a gas
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station here or a business here that they would kind of hang around uh or like when we covered the vanishing girls
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in jeloy they're all hanging around right the the McDonald's and so was this a situation where it was hey I know that
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there's I mean what is the reason that you're dropping him off right that that would be a big reason and if he's not
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saying oh he didn't say well maybe he said that but this guy doesn't want to talk bad about this guy you think
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there'd have to be some kind of information because in that interview William basically says was he going to
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meet someone there I don't know he offers up no explanation for why Henry wanted to be dropped off there it sounds
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like Henry was insisting on it according to Williams words he just keeps saying drop me off here I'll be fine I'll be
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fine this is my area to which then he drops him off now later in the investigation Captain we will learn that
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Henry was never dropped off at the super America gas station we'll get into that
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[Music] today all right we're back cheers cheers to you Captain I'm I'm getting extra
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Saucy today so it's about three weeks into The Disappearance of missing person Henry McCabe when law enforcement
00:30:38
learned that he was actually dropped off at a different gas station that night mhm so we have his acquaintance who says
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he convinced me to drop him off at the super America gas station turns out he was dropped off at a Holiday gas station
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which is about 3 miles on the same strip but it's 3 miles further away from Henry's home all right so here's what I
00:31:03
wonder was Kennedy a little intoxicated when he dropped off Henry and just this was a mistake he just said I he told the
00:31:11
police the wrong gas station or did he give him the wrong gas station on purpose you read my mind because that's
00:31:20
what I thought of at first I'm like this Kennedy dude seems very shady very suspicious you know he he tells them the
00:31:27
wrong place hey I dropped him off at this gas station they can't find any uh surveillance footage of that happening
00:31:34
and then later they're able to determine that he was actually dropped off at this
00:31:38
Holiday gas station but that's because they found surveillance footage of him being dropped off there so what I think
00:31:46
that we have here is almost exactly what you said and and you know it's a situation and nobody do this at home you
00:31:54
know but it's one of those situations where hold on what go ahead and keep going it's one of those situations where
00:32:01
the I believe the least intoxicated person drove yeah don't do that night so nothing good comes of that and I
00:32:09
actually think that this is a honest mistake let's call it that because I think that's why Kennedy would stick to
00:32:16
his story for three weeks saying no you can say whatever you want you know there's I don't care that there's no
00:32:22
footage of of me dropping him off I know I dropped him off at this gas station well but now there's footage of Henry at
00:32:30
the Holiday gas station correct okay so but is it possible that he dropped him off at the one and Henry made his way
00:32:38
down three miles U you know to to the other gas station I've not been able to find the
00:32:44
actual footage and I don't know that it's been released but the way that it's been described is that it's of Kennedy
00:32:51
dropping him off at this other gas station well I mean this this case has conspiracy and all over I mean you got a
00:32:58
guy named with the last name Kennedy and a guy with the last name Johnson we know
00:33:03
what happened last time those two were in office well and the thing here is we've discussed this on our show before
00:33:11
where we have a witness or we have someone that's trying to offer up information in an investigation and that
00:33:19
information turns out to be incorrect MH however that doesn't necessarily mean that they are lying if they are telling
00:33:26
you the truth but they're just mistaken it's not necessarily a lie and in Kennedy's defense I've seen photographs
00:33:34
of both of these gas stations okay so they're they're the same type of business obviously however they have the
00:33:41
same like colors you know how like super America is like red white and blue right
00:33:44
from what I could see of the Holiday gas station it's red white and blue as well
00:33:48
okay so again we have a guy named Kennedy a guy named Johnson we have gas stations that are red white and
00:33:55
blue huh well what what I think may have happened here is I think Kennedy just got the wrong gas station you know just
00:34:03
told him the wrong gas station so the other thing too is you have to wonder how well did Kennedy know the area you
00:34:10
know and and the other thing too people point out well he dropped him off further away from McCabe's home well
00:34:17
Kennedy may have had no idea where mcab actually lived right so that doesn't seem suspicious suspicious in of itself
00:34:27
so I don't know that that really has anything to do with Kennedy you know or or what he says happened that night the
00:34:36
thing here though is Captain we have on it's two months later two months after Henry goes missing a kayaker found a
00:34:44
body in Rush Lake this is about 7 miles away on November 2nd a body is found and
00:34:51
by November 3rd it's identified as being the body of Henry mccab okay there there
00:34:57
are there were all kinds of talk about this uh body being found obviously one the first reports that were coming out
00:35:05
suggested that the body was weighted down mhm however all the later reports would never mention that it was weighted
00:35:13
down and only say that it was partially submerged okay and it was near some brush one thing I want to point out
00:35:20
about this Rush Lake is this lake is has a very to put it as simple as possible weedy Shoreline mhm they've shown you
00:35:32
know you can see news footage of this area it looked to me to be very difficult for anyone to get into that
00:35:39
Lake well and then the question is the wording because weighted down when I hear weighted down I hear somebody tied
00:35:48
a rope around a center block that's what when I hear weighted down but weighted down could mean weighted down by
00:35:56
something on on the Shor line and I think that's what we have here because the words partially submerged in near
00:36:03
some brush almost indicates that the body kind of got caught underneath something that was making it harder to
00:36:10
for anybody to find yeah you know it was almost two months before his body is found according to
00:36:18
reports what was found in the autopsy is that it's ruled an accidental drowning in fresh water mhm
00:36:27
so let me get into this yeah cuz this is getting weirder yeah and here's a here's
00:36:32
a big problem that I kind of have with this case so we've reviewed many cases that have been ruled an accidental death
00:36:41
or a suspicious death or then later Chang to accidental death typically what I have found is that the autopsies for
00:36:51
those accidental deaths are pretty readily available you can find them you know we know this from the Diane Scher
00:36:59
case and from Kendrick Johnson's case I think that the reason why that is is the case in those instances is that
00:37:07
they look when they say it's an accidental death they they want it to be very black and white and very
00:37:13
transparent for everybody to go look you can view this yourself right this is what we came up with however in Henry's
00:37:20
case I can't find the autopsy anywhere and maybe it's out there but I've looked high and low and can't find the thing I
00:37:28
can find a bazillion reports that state what is said in the autopsy but I can't view the actual autopsy itself right so
00:37:36
I find that a little questionable let's say and I do want to really hit home this idea of the lake from video footage
00:37:45
that I've seen and from pictures that I've seen it doesn't appear that this lake is very accessible at all it would
00:37:53
take some difficulty and what I mean by that is you have one thought that he was heavily
00:38:00
intoxicated or maybe he was drugged up by by his own doing or somebody else's doing and he ended up in this Lake on
00:38:09
accident right but we have evidence of something some kind of struggle now we we don't know for certain if those
00:38:17
noises that we hear on the voicemail are coming from Henry we don't know that um
00:38:25
but I mean let's just assume they are because they're coming from his phone right and then at some point you have
00:38:32
somebody saying stop it okay stop it and then you're going to tell me that this guy actually you know accidentally
00:38:40
drowned mhm you know this autopsy doesn't seem to make sense do we have any punctured do we have there's no
00:38:48
signs of a struggle there's no signs of uh bruising the exact wording is there are no marks on the body mhm no signs of
00:38:57
trauma to the body yeah so well that's I mean let me point out some obvious stuff
00:39:04
here I mean take um take the Kendrick Johnson case right M we have weird suspicious things and then we have this
00:39:15
autopsy that says no it's accidental right M and then in the Kena Jenkins case in in
00:39:22
Chicago we have a young lady walking around like a drugged up zombie mhm found in a
00:39:30
freezer accidental mhm now we have a guy that leaves a bar he's probably intoxicated makes a call leaves a long
00:39:41
voice message with crazy sounds and somebody saying stop it and he was found in the river and now we're going to say
00:39:49
it's it's an accident you know it seems like all three victims are are black right mhm
00:39:58
and it just seems to me that with evidence like this they're so quick to come out with this accidental it's
00:40:06
accidental and that's done mhm and I I think that's so irresponsible well okay let's say that
00:40:13
the information is 100% accurate and correct in this autopsy from the reports we are hearing about the autopsy well
00:40:21
this I think this is going to be a case that we hear later that they you know assum the body and and and do another
00:40:29
autopsy so for it to be an accidental drowning it there needs to be water in the lungs or in the wind pipes right
00:40:37
right so that really only leaves you if if there is no trauma to the body if there is no marks on the body there was
00:40:45
water found in the lungs or wind pipes that we don't know cuz we've not seen the actual autopsy but if that is the
00:40:53
case then you're kind of left with one of two scenarios either he did accidentally drown in the lake or
00:41:00
somebody held him underwater right and the weird thing about that is those gurgle noises and
00:41:06
the some of the noises you hear on that short clip they go with both of those scenarios but to a point of somebody
00:41:13
yelling stop it which again we can't confirm actually happens because we we can't hear that portion of the tape
00:41:20
right and and look is it a little suspicious that this tape was rumored to be out on the internet and now it's
00:41:27
not I mean that's a little suspicious to me the other thing that I find very weird is like I I again I really want to
00:41:34
hit this home if he ended up in that lake with no marks on his body I want somebody to tell me how that happened
00:41:41
because I've seen how thick the brush is around this Lake I've seen there's trees
00:41:46
there's weeds it's not like there's a there's a cleared Shoreline where you could just Waltz on into the lake that
00:41:53
you've seen video there are a couple for my my understanding there are at least two maybe three Creeks that would feed
00:42:01
into that body of water well and I'm going to you know dispute your point a little bit if a kayaker is finding this
00:42:09
then we probably have Drop Zones and pickup zones that's a very good point that there's there's a launch point
00:42:15
right you know for at least for the kayaker and if there is you know cuz my buddy uh Rainbow River kayak and canoe
00:42:24
down in denell and Florida tell the captain sent you but I do got a buddy that that runs um a kayak and canoe
00:42:31
delivery service and where their drop in points and their pickup points they're very clear so so let's get into some
00:42:41
interesting theories because there's there's a bazillion of them obviously but I've kind of narrowed it down I've
00:42:47
put a short list together of mine well let me put Let Me toss out the first one so we can get rid of it cuz one I own
00:42:54
Crocs and and I only wear them when I'm watching Finding Bigfoot and some of these noises on this tape that in the
00:43:01
weird conspiracy groups they'll Brin up Bigfoot okay I don't know if you've seen
00:43:07
these yeah you can't miss them um because of what people think that the bigfoot calls sound like okay uh that
00:43:15
these guttural grows to highend hows you know kind of like a type sound um they would say this is a
00:43:28
Bigfoot noise this is a noise that they make this is a call so but again if he comes in contact with a Bigfoot and the
00:43:37
Bigfoot is the one that puts him in the water mhm you're going to have some markings of that I would believe I would
00:43:44
think so I would just assume look like I said I do enjoy watching shows on bigfoots and aliens and all that stuff I
00:43:51
think it's fun and entertaining uh I just don't know if we have any a scientific proof that they even exist so
00:43:59
it's it's hard to entertain those theories when you're talking about things we have no confirmation if they
00:44:04
exist right and then for you know look for all I know Bigfoot could live on the corner of Maine and High Street in
00:44:11
somebody's basement I don't know but from my understanding what you saying have you seen this no but what I'm
00:44:16
saying is my understanding of this area is it's fairly residential that it's not
00:44:20
we're not talking about he this is not um this is not Dennis Martin who was somebody that was out in the middle of
00:44:26
nowhere you know National Forest National Park right type situation this is fairly residential so I think the the
00:44:34
most interesting theories that I saw would be heavily intoxicated or maybe somebody drugged him with
00:44:42
GHB very possible and that there is some form of hallucination that he freaked out and ran you know probably could have
00:44:51
ran aimlessly through the woods through the brush into the water and and accidentally drown in the lake well and
00:44:58
think about this I'm going to put some logic behind your theory here he's on something right we don't know what is on
00:45:06
at the very least he had drinks in him right he had drinks in him possibly some GHB right mhm he gets his friend to drop
00:45:15
him off he says okay you're drunk you're out of control I'm going to let you go he starts making a
00:45:21
scene um for whatever reason he tries to call to get help um maybe he's on Quaaludes okay I know that's a drug
00:45:31
that's pled from the past but look at the scene in Wolf of Wall Street where he's talking into the phone and making
00:45:40
zero sense he's just making noises M that that's happens here now I'm not saying it's qu ludes but it could be
00:45:47
some kind of mind altering drug he's making zero sense and maybe making some commotion and it's somebody at the gas
00:45:55
station telling him okay stop like stop acting this way and from there he takes off finds his way into the water and
00:46:04
then it's accidental drowning we have his wife and we also have Henry's brother these two I would argue no Henry
00:46:14
longer or better than most if not anyone else yeah correct okay both of these individuals state that some of the
00:46:22
noises and it's unclear to me as to which mhm of the noises but both of them have stated publicly that some of the
00:46:29
noises sound like Henry to them okay so I'm going to go ahead and go off of that
00:46:36
that they're probably correct on that that some of these noises are being made by Henry that's left on the
00:46:42
voicemail both well more particularly his wife Karine she insists that this is not a call for help that this was a
00:46:51
pocket dial you know a butt dial that that she the voicemail is leaving noises that are picked up by his phone from an
00:46:59
accidental call okay uh unintended call right so let's go through some possibilities with this though because
00:47:09
there's one big uh Theory out there and actually I believe it was on Reddit that
00:47:14
I I read quite a lengthy thread you read it on Reddit I read it on Reddit uh quite a lengthy thread regarding the
00:47:22
GHB Theory I just look for all truth True Crime fans I think Reddit is great I mean is there going to be some
00:47:30
nonsense on there of course but there's some great information and great theories even if it's a theory with no
00:47:38
evidence to back it up it's still an interesting Theory and you can find almost every case on Reddit web SLO as
00:47:45
well both both of them are fantastic but I'll throw this cavat out there and this
00:47:51
is why neither of them are are my first go-to for a case of course because they're very lengthy uh usually in the
00:47:58
threads and like you said there's some stuff in there that's just boring or not important to the case and you kind of
00:48:04
have to sift your way through it as you go right so but one really interesting thread I found on there was GHB and
00:48:12
people were talking about a couple different scenarios first there was I believe a nurse or doctor on there that
00:48:18
was stating hey I've I've encountered people that have ingested large amounts of GHB and they gargle and make noises
00:48:27
like like what you were talking about with the Quay ludes and Wolf of Wall Street right and then there was another
00:48:33
individual on there that was stating hey you know sometimes at these clubs and this is their experience I'm not hip
00:48:38
enough to have this kind of experience or go to places that would have this going on that I know of but this person
00:48:47
was saying that sometimes at these at certain clubs or Raves or parties or whatever that some people ingest large
00:48:55
amounts of GHB on accident because from what this person says it's a clear liquid and they had
00:49:05
had an experience where a friend of theirs thought they were picking up like a a glass of vodka or a bottle of vodka
00:49:12
uhhuh kind of chugged it you know took a couple big swills out of it and ended up
00:49:17
turns out it was not vodka and they were pretty pretty messed up and we've also seen in several cases and I've actually
00:49:24
been diving into is reports of actual bartenders that drug customers almost as like oh you're a shitty Tipper okay it's
00:49:35
time for me to drug you and I'm going to watch you uh have a really hard time tonight it's not going to kill you but
00:49:42
you're going to have a really hard time but if you're what you're saying uh in a
00:49:46
scenario like that well then this guy was killed by something like that under this thought and Theory this kind of
00:49:54
makes a little bit of sense because we have people stating earlier he only had a few drinks but on the other hand we
00:50:00
have people saying he was so intoxicated we had to take his wallet from him so he
00:50:03
couldn't buy any more drinks right so that kind of if if those two things are true absolutely true then this Theory
00:50:11
Works within those guidelines right now here's another interesting one regarding
00:50:18
the pocket call you know Karine says this is a pocket call or or an unintended call yeah there is a theory
00:50:25
out there that is some type of police cover up of course you know this people get
00:50:30
angry somebody somewhere somebody's very angry right now it's always Bigfoot or a
00:50:36
police cover up the Bigfoot working in cahoots with the police the police have been covering up for bigfoot since
00:50:43
possibly that they that the big that Bigfoot lives at the police department they've been covering up for bigfoot
00:50:50
since the late 1800s at least I mean that's as far back as I can trace it anyway this this Theory works like this
00:51:00
that Henry was walking home from the gas station where he was dropped off at some
00:51:06
point a police officer pulls over or approaches him with the thought that he would be arrested for public
00:51:13
intoxication right somehow they get into it there's an altercation and the police Tays Henry to
00:51:22
which he has a bad reaction maybe it's a heart attack I don't know uh but for whatever reason he he dies or almost
00:51:30
dies from this uh situation yeah and then to cover it up he's placed in the lake at some point his body's not
00:51:39
discovered for two more months I do want to throw out there though one thing that
00:51:43
makes this extra tough extra difficult level here is that he's he's in that Lake for almost two months I mean what
00:51:53
is lost what evidence is lost to tell tell us what happened to Henry during the course of that time a ton but what
00:51:59
wouldn't be lost is if there was beating or bruising or any of that stuff or a puncture that's not going to be lost so
00:52:07
but the tough thing about this theory is one most cops for the most part have good intentions right they're there to
00:52:13
Serve and Protect so the likelihood that a cop would come around Tas a guy he dies and then if his partner is saying
00:52:22
hey stop it now you're going to tell me that two cops that signed up to Serve and Protect
00:52:27
killed an innocent man threw him into the river cuz let's say he's on drugs or drunk and he is fighting the cops that
00:52:37
they probably have body cams or dash cams or whatever so now you got to get rid of that evidence if you just killed
00:52:44
this man but if this guy was attacking you and and this was you defending yourself You' have that evidence on a
00:52:53
dash cam or a body cam to then to to protect your ass to say hey look we were just trying to control him he attacked
00:53:00
us and then it was an accidental death because of that you see what I mean right so do we
00:53:07
have any evidence that there's any uh camera footage missing from any of these officers or do they even have these on
00:53:14
their um Vehicles well the other thing too is we don't have any Witnesses saying they saw anything like this at
00:53:22
all number one number two the way this theory is is spoke of would be that during the course of that butt dial what
00:53:32
we're hearing is Henry being tased or attacked by the police right and then he's killed right or then he
00:53:40
dies okay like you said no marks on the body very little if no trauma at all signs of trauma to the body so there's a
00:53:49
big problem there that you have to get over the other problem that you have to get over too that's not not discussed is
00:53:56
that what we hear from from that portion of the voicemail the only time that anybody says that words are spoken is
00:54:04
one person sell yelling or saying stop it right everything else is just noises so what where I'm going with this
00:54:13
Captain is police are very vocal when they are trying to control someone when they are trying to get them to listen to
00:54:21
them when they are trying to get them to go along with their instruction they're extremely vocal and the the the
00:54:28
more you disobey them the more that you don't listen to them the louder they tend to get yes you I would think that
00:54:35
if this scenario is correct you would hear a lot of police chatter you would hear a lot of being told to get on the
00:54:44
ground stop it put your hands in the air put your hands where I can see them a lot of that stuff and that is not nobody
00:54:51
at any time says that they hear that on the voicemail right but we only have a clip we don't have the full
00:54:58
voicemail right but but the thing I have with that is we have we do know that his
00:55:05
wife and brother both have listened to the entirety of the voicemail and I think that if either of them thought
00:55:11
that a police officer or police officers were responsible for what happened to Henry I think that would have came out
00:55:19
in the media mhm and the media would have been very happy to broadcast that for us you know espe they normally are
00:55:26
yeah so I I think that I can I'm wiping that theory away just because I think that if they're look where there's smoke
00:55:33
there's fire but what I'm getting at is there's no smoke here yeah but I'm not wiping that away and the reason why is
00:55:40
cuz like I said I think this case because there's so many fishy scenarios and because the call One Look release
00:55:48
the call mhm release that to the public especially if you say it's an accident yeah and and if people are saying hey
00:55:54
this is possibly uh police conspiracy release the audio let us hear for ourselves what is on
00:56:02
that audio clip okay the other thing too is release the autopsy okay let's see what H that what happens there okay now
00:56:10
the autopsy may be released I like I said I just can't find it I right but you find it for almost every other case
00:56:17
and so you didn't find it for this one I'm not going to blame you okay there's a lot of people in this story that I'm
00:56:22
going to blame but I'm not going to be blaming you well thank you no but okay but so we have all these then we have
00:56:32
the situation with his friend dropping him off or stating that he dropped him at a different location than what he
00:56:38
actually dropped him off to but I I believe with this with the autopsy with the with the lack of evidence other than
00:56:47
this weird call this voicemail at some point the family should get a collection from the
00:56:58
community get supporters behind you and and just do another autopsy have a second opinion look at this to see if
00:57:06
anything was fishy and it might come back simply yes it was accidental drowning and he possibly was on
00:57:15
something MH un least you would have answers and I think uh that's the least they could do because Henry deserves
00:57:22
that I mean this guy seems to have done nothing wrong in his life he went out one night drinking did
00:57:30
he drink to too much did he take did he take something he shouldn't have taken was he was he trying to party too hard
00:57:39
but we can get answers I think from the second autopsy yeah and so I don't want anybody
00:57:45
to think that we didn't talk about a possible animal attack because that's one of that's one of the leading
00:57:52
theories but you pointed out very clearly that's kind of goes along with the Bigfoot Theory there's no marks on
00:57:59
the body well other than the fact that the other animals are probably real yeah and so if it this were going to be an
00:58:06
animal attack some people say that the noises you're hearing on the voicemail are coming from an animal that's
00:58:12
attacking him right but the problem with that again there's no marks on the body
00:58:16
If This Were an animal attack unless the animal managed to scare him frighten him
00:58:22
and chase him into the river or into the lake and then he accidentally drowned um
00:58:27
the animal attack just doesn't doesn't play out here for me well and this would be difficult too because let's say a dog
00:58:34
uh got a hold of his shirt or something that the rips of that shirt could be similar to the rips in the shirt once
00:58:44
he's submerged in water for that length and and hitting the shoreline there could be similar markings on on clothes
00:58:52
and that that could be a possibility where something did attack him and never really made contact with his body but
00:59:01
again I think the answers are going to really lie with the second autopsy just to you know I think he deserves that
00:59:09
this I think we all you anybody anybody that's listening that this could possibly happen to you know your family
00:59:18
owes that to you to just go hey let's let's get a second opinion and just make sure it's correct one theory that is I
00:59:25
find to be probably the most interesting out of all that have been discussed is a
00:59:30
possible Revenge killing mhm and the thought being that the voicemail was no accident that that whomever is
00:59:38
responsible purposely dialed his phone and let let it pick up whatever noises it could
00:59:46
during the drowning process of Henry McCabe right and that they whoever killed him wanted his family or or
00:59:54
whoever was going to be picking up the phone to hear that that it was some kind of Revenge kill then my other question
01:00:01
then becomes too is this is this cell phone that he had is it waterproof is it something that you could put in water
01:00:10
and is that the reason why we're hearing some weird sounds because the phone itself is submerged in water is that a
01:00:17
possibility let me ask you this and because this is one of the more more troubling of the facts in this case or
01:00:25
lack of facts could you find anywhere hard proof that the phone was found that the phone was located because this
01:00:33
voicemail is on his wife's phone right you know no I have not heard anything about his phone being found or not found
01:00:41
correct and that that really bothered me I don't know what we can gather from from it if it were to have been found on
01:00:48
at us right now going well what you get from that is and we you know we're just drawing a blank but that's what you get
01:00:54
when you spend hours and hours recording in the garage you get blank brains sometimes the uh one thing that I find
01:01:01
well you yeah but you would know the model number somebody should know the model number and that would let us
01:01:08
know and also was the phone did the phone hang up because remember when they said hang up or go dead right because
01:01:17
because the call ends at some point the call ends up some point and then when she starts calling it goes straight to
01:01:22
voicemail well it would do the same thing if the phone was submerged in water the phone would probably record
01:01:28
even if it's not waterproof for a while and that's where you could get some Distortion and frequencies so let's say
01:01:36
the phone was picking up something that was a lower frequency well you could then start having glitches where so when
01:01:42
you have this guttural growl to a higher pitch noise these things could be altered by the phone starting to
01:01:50
malfunction underwater so necessarily it doesn't have to be um I mean he could be
01:01:57
calling for help as they're pushing him down into the water so you just said something you just hit a home run there
01:02:05
I'm going to circle back to that but I do want to clean up something that I said earlier when I
01:02:10
said to for me to make the statement that his wife Karine said that she was trying to call him and it was going
01:02:17
straight to voicemail right I don't know that that's true I believe her exact words from that interview were I tried
01:02:25
calling him back and I kept getting his voicemail so I I it could have gone straight to voicemail but I just want to
01:02:32
clean that up a little bit to to say exactly what she said that she kept getting his voicemail well it's really
01:02:37
nice that at the last minute of the show I think we did come up with some very interesting
01:02:43
thoughts Here's a thought though what and I'm going to take it a little make it a good one cuz I don't want to end on
01:02:50
a bad one I want to take a little excerpt from what you just said where I said I think you hit a home run and I
01:02:55
want to Circle back to it okay your statement you said he could have been calling for
01:03:02
help right yeah those are your words I think that's genius and here's where I have a big problem with this case and
01:03:11
with the statements of those surrounding Henry and who was in Henry's life at the
01:03:16
time of his death every interview I could find with Karen she constantly says that he pocket
01:03:24
called me that he pocket dialed me at no point is there ever any mention of the thought that he could have been calling
01:03:32
for help so what you're saying is do you think that's suspicious on her end that she very never very suspicious
01:03:42
he would call her for help right I I think that it's strange that I review multiple interviews with
01:03:49
her and at no point does she ever say he could have been calling for help right but this is also an idea that through
01:03:57
interviews or through talking with the police or through talking with anybody that maybe she ruled that out as a
01:04:04
possibility before she did these interviews that we've we have seen true true but I I think we're talking about a
01:04:12
case that it's very difficult to rule out possibilities yeah I'd love to hear people's thoughts and opinions on this
01:04:20
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