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killer this killer has a type 10 bodies were found near a remote [Music] beach we've were dealing with a serial
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killer all four killed by one killer the Long Island serial killer Shannon Gilbert is at the home of
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Joseph Brewer and it sounds like she believes that someone is after her she has said this over and over again to the
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911 Operator by this point in our call she is now on the phone with the New York State Police they are trying to
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figure out where she is located so that they can offer some assistance in this situation however Joseph Brewer would
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like for Shannon Gilbert to leave his home Michael Pack her driver is on location and he's trying to get Shannon
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Gilbert to leave the home but for whatever reason Shannon is not cooperating me I think
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it's in the middle of nowhere let's go back to let's go back to manhatt we're Island
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the please stop no stop it please okay please take my guys water I didn't do anything I didn't do
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anything 61 511 why that why why why why M fun me never going Tojo again and I'm sorry I try to clean up
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that audio as much as I could with also still being able to hear what she was saying but it seems like Mike's going
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hey let's get out of here and she's like hey you're going to kill me he's like no
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are are you crazy like what are you talking about even says at some point you're you're freaking me
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out yeah again it's it's Mike wanting to get her to leave and we've started to call him Mike now instead of Michael
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Pack because you can hear her saying Mike you can hear other people saying Mike by this point on the 911 call it
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also sounds like the operator is now may for one reason or another have reason to
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believe that Shannon is in fact in suffk County because it sounds to me like the
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operator is either trying to transfer or asking if county is on the line and then
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getting no response the weird thing though is it sounds to me Captain like it's Shannon saying to Michael why are
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you going to kill me you know where are we going and he's saying no let's go back to Manhattan we're and he's again
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he's trying to explain to her where they are we're on Long Island near the ocean
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is what he says at some point but it's very weird that this interaction to me with Michael and Shannon and again we
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don't know what she's ingested we don't know what she's on we don't know her level of paranoia based off of things
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that she's witnessed or experienced or heard that night right or if it's paranoia coming from something else from
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an altered state of mind eventually another 911 operator is going to come onto the line but what the transcript
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says is that Shannon Gilbert then says please get me out of here Mike which is a complete contradiction to everything
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that she's saying to Michael Pack before this point why I never do I never did M
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please M please please please something I don't know what phone she's calling from where she's coming from
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[Music] she needs help you're like you know in the house with the female the female was the initial
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caller so this is all set up set everything I waited for you you told me you going to find way home I like what
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uping why all right I'll say I was l i was Ling you good why it's a 631 number you can try talking to her but
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she's she's got the phone down hello hello hey what's what's the pro what's the matter what
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happened hello pleas get me out of here L hello you're being sarcastic about this you're a part of
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this all along I what like please I'm begging [Music] you just want to go home again very hard to make out
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anything in that conversation and you can almost hear her moving the phone around probably rubbing against her
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clothing making it even more difficult to hear well that's what I was going to say captain am I crazy or does it sound
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like for most parts of that last clip that the phone that she's not talking directly into the phone it almost sounds
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to me like the phone is sit down on a countertop or a table or she's just holding it and it's picking up Michael's
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conversation and Shannon's conversation and then at times though it's weird because it sounds like she's directly
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responding to the 911 operator when the operator again asking for some more information to which we hear Shannon say
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please and it's difficult for me to say if she's responding to the operator or if that's part of the conversation
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that's being had off of the phone getting very confusing when she's saying at one minute nope I don't want to go
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with you Michael then she's saying hey Michael please give me out of here and then she goes back to wait you're a part
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of this yeah she starts off by saying you're being sarcastic Michael Pack responds with about what and then
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Shannon says about this you are a part of this all along yeah and then Mike replies what are you talking about I
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just met him I guess he's referring to Joseph Brewer and you do hear Michael Pack when talking to Shannon you again
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some of his some of the dialogue is inaudible but you pick up little bits and pieces of what he's saying and he's
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saying at one point he's like Shannon like what's going on you've never acted like this or you've never been like this
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before right almost like he doesn't understand what she's doing or or why she's behaving in this way as well and I
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know it's offering some insight into the case especially Shannon Gilbert's portion of the Long Island serial killer
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case but not going to lie to you captain I am I'm I think I'm as confused I'm as confused as I ever would
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be so far I'm hoping that something at some point in this in this clip or this 911 call will offer some form of clarity
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yeah I agree with you at this point I can't make heads or tals at what's really going on but based off of what we
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heard so far and I want to Circle back to something that you said earlier and I'm starting to get the
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feeling that that might be might be right and and you may may have just gave us the short of it if I could expand
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that a little bit look as somebody that's just listening in trying to figure out what's going on the best I
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can figure out what would make the most sense and again we could be trying to make sense out of a situation that there
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is no sense to be made of however I feel like what I'm listening to is a scenario where something
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happened obviously before she got on the phone we can agree with that something prompted her to call 911
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right there is an element of fear in her call someone's after me yes and she clearly doesn't want to go with
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Michael for a portion of the call she also doesn't really want to listen to Joseph Brewer for a portion of the call
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the early portions it almost seems to me Captain like there was an element of fear that prompted the call but for
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whatever reason that element is not in that household anymore that element may have removed itself or been asked to
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leave the property it almost sounds to me like she's afraid of going she's afraid of being where she is but she's
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also afraid of going outside in the middle of nowhere she even says we're in the middle of nowhere right and she
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doesn't seem to be 100% confident that Michael Pack is going to be able to keep her safe or 100% confident in herself
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that she trust him completely yeah it's very very confusing but to me that's a great breakdown of what could be
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happening let's dive back into the call well we can give them 573 930 is that us what's going
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on came what yeah extension that's the number it came into why are you see there KN about this
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house then something's going to happen to me there's nobody outside yeah you could call it but we're
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not going to know where it is County should call the county family okay okay get out of here what's to the
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phone oh it does so what's clearly happening if you can make out anything there the 911 operators are trying to
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figure out where the call is coming from they're also trying to figure out some kind of strategy to put in place to
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figure that out right like you can hear them say well maybe we should try calling this number or the county should
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try calling this number right and here here's an interesting thing to me though remember they were so
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reluctant to release this 911 call yet they got nothing but bad press in 2010 and 2012 in the years that followed by
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people saying look they were so slow to respond to Shannon Gilbert's 911 call police should be to blame here whatever
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happened to her part of it's on their shoulders a part of it is their problem and to me if I'm law enforcement I'm
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going you know what we should have released this earlier because it sounds to me like these people are trying to do
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everything within their power within their available resources to locate her sooner rather than later I think it's
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100% proof of that we have to go back and say well why then refuse to release it when it paints you in a much better
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light than everybody was putting you in to begin with well does that mean that they believe that that there's evidence
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on here for their investigation against Joseph Brewer against Michael Pack or something that Shannon could be telling
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us that could be key to the investigation maybe but then I have a problem figuring that out because they
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told us that Shannon Gilbert wasn't murdered so it's a lot of stuff not making a whole lot of sense to me right
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now but remember when I said it doesn't lean towards something nefarious if if Michael's not concerned about the phone
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call if Brewer is not concerned about the phone call if nothing bad is happening who cares who she's talking to
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but here in this clip right at the end you hear him say like what's the deal with the phone or or something to that
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nature it's hard to hard to decipher what he's saying is he saying who's on the phone or what's with the phone we
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know that the phone is referenced but to me those questions are completely different and would show a different
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level of concern right or a specific area of concern as far as the male voice goes it sounds to me you know we've had
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enough into this call where I think I can tell Brewers voice from Pack's voice even when they're not when they're not
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very close to the phone yeah when they're inaudible you can still almost make out who it is so whoever is asking
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Shannon about the phone whether it's what's with the phone or who's on the phone that sounds like Brewer to me I
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agree hot suff it's got to be suff right hello stop it stop it hello where are you
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[Applause] huh where are you what what's your name what's your name go what's your name shennon go at where
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are you I'm by um I'm in island and what's what's wrong huh what happened these people are fall to kill
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me shut up this is where my alarm bells are going off because for whatever reason she's not communicating this
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whole time with the 911 operators you know can you trace my call but barely having any kind of conversation with
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them right mhm all of a sudden they make contact with her again again these 911 operators are working their ass off to
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try try to figure out what's going on that's accur that's an accurate statement I've checked with them no
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asses left no ass no asses left after this call but they're going what's your name Shannon Gil Gilbert we can't hear
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you sh Shannon Gilbert now I guarantee you now that she's answering these questions these are questions that if
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you could only hear one side of the conversation right let's say I'm Brewer or say I'm pack right and I hear Shannon
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talking to somebody and she's going my name's Shannon Gilbert now I know who she's talking to she's talking to some
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kind of law enforcement or 911 she's reporting something she's not speaking to somebody that knows her she has to
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say my name is Shannon Gilbert exactly and then what does she say they're plotting to kill me it's clear as
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Crystal right I feel like there was a guy somewhere that sat in a garage about six or seven years ago that had a
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suspicion that These Guys these two guys were trying to kill Shannon Gilbert and
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he may have said that somewhere at one time and now we're finally hearing the 911 call and that sounds like what she
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is saying or trying to convey to law enforcement let me throw this at you here Captain not too fast with the with
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her voice with her tone and her delivery she sounds a little like groggy to me almost like an in a stuper like she's
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come out of asleep yeah she's mumbling and so I wonder if do we have a situation where
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something happened something scared the [ __ ] out of her terrified her and she may have blacked out temporarily or or
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passed out for a brief period of time she comes to she doesn't know how long she's been out and she doesn't have a
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clear understanding of what happened or why she's so afraid and therefore she can't convey it she cannot explain it to
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the operator on the other end of the phone because I'm not getting the sense that she's not telling the operator
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what's going on because she's afraid to say it out loud in front of these men I I'm not hearing a whole lot of emotion
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coming out of her either for someone that's supposed to be so scared like when she's she says Mike I'm begging you
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to to you know I want to get out of here she says to Mike finally she wants to go
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home there's no real beg in that beg you know what I mean there's no yeah there these people are trying to kill me it's
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it's just so relaxed and Casual well no I think when she's saying they're trying
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to plot to kill me that's it it was pretty clear like I said one of the clearer things that she said on the
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phone uhhuh I think that's a great Point did did something happened where they fed her some kind of drugs or did she
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take some drugs and then she blacked out she comes to she doesn't know what's going on she now thinks everybody's out
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to get her but it's almost like she has the guts to say you know what I I'm on I'm on the call with 911 I might as well
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say look these people are plotting to kill me or at least that's what I think is happening and she's smart enough if
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she believes this situation to be real which I think that she does no matter how she came to this conclusion that
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someone's after her or trying to kill her she clearly believes it so in this situation she's smart enough to know
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that maybe I don't know exactly what's going on I haven't figured it out myself I cannot tell law enforcement exactly
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what's going on cuz I I don't understand it myself but at the very least if I have them on the other line
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the likelihood of something happening to me while they're on the line is is very
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small right and so I'm going to keep them on the line whether I can tell them anything at
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all these people are fall to kill me shut up where are you what's your address what's your
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address what's your address oh mik mik stop mik come here M stop mik stop mik mik
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stop where are you stop it stop what's your name Shannon huh mik stop from here where are you what's your
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address hello want the police yeah I tell them something mik stop it you guys are
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finding something M where are you mik are you in the house yeah it what town are you
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in Island like where stop mik where are Long Island stop it mik mik stop [Applause]
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it he stop [Applause] it where in Long Island are [Applause] you hello hey tell me it sounds like they gave this 911
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operator a bunch of muscle relaxers she sounds more intoxicated than Shannon sounds you wonder if she's
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just trying to not sound frustrated or where are you trying to further confuse the situation right
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like cuz you don't know if if Shannon Gilbert's on the on the verge of just spaz out
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completely and you don't want to run the risk of that happening because you don't
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know what's going on you're confused about the situation being the operator and I it
00:27:08
sounds to me like The Operators just resorted to the to saying well I all I can do now is ask over and over again
00:27:15
where are you right to try to figure out where you are so that we can send someone there to see what's going on
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because we're not getting any information from the phone call right yeah but like I said I think they're doing a good
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job they're doing the best they can with what they have but I think they could started asking more questions who are
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you with who who's that talking what's their name she could tell names to the operator but here's the thing at the at
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the end of the day if this clip stops right here if the 911 call stops right here we know that it doesn't it's a
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longer call than this but if it stopped right here Shannon Believes In This Moment whether
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she's right or wrong or just completely off the rails She Believes In This Moment that Michael and Joseph Brewer
00:28:07
are plotting something together that they're in cahoots with one another well at least those two we don't know how
00:28:13
many other males are there right or how many people let's not just say males there could be other women there we
00:28:21
don't know but where we just stopped She then it's harder to hear that one cuz she's mumbling but she says for the
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second time they're plotting to kill me or they're trying to kill me I can't imagine what is going through her head
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we've heard on the show that it is my friend that it is again I apologize for the audio quality I did the best I could
00:31:14
it's very difficult recording to hear especially because a lot of the background noise and a lot of the phone
00:31:22
noise against other items where are Long Island are you I don't know they're going to kill me are
00:31:31
you in a [Applause] house are you in a house yeah whose house is it I don't know who is Mike what's his last
00:31:47
name Mike [Applause] what how old are you [Music] [Music] what's his last name what's his last
00:32:13
[Applause] name what's his last [Applause] name Shannon Shannon [Applause] transer
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[Music] Shannon [Music] Shannon yeah what town what town are you [Applause] in [Applause]
00:33:18
hello what's Mike's last name [Applause] hello again almost nothing's happening during that
00:33:45
section in the room that the phone's in mhm you can't tell if that's two guys talking in the background or just
00:33:54
somebody left the TV on yeah but it does sound to me and I've I've tried to raise and
00:34:01
lower different frequencies to me that section sounds like there is something brewing in the background I agree and
00:34:10
then it's interesting to hear the two operators you know the one that's trying to communicate with Shannon but there's
00:34:16
clearly somebody in the background on her end too of the call because they're trying to sort things out and one of the
00:34:23
operators says to the other one of the guys said hey let's that's all you kind of hear like yeah
00:34:29
like that she could on her end clearly hear them saying hey let's do this or hey let's take her and then that part
00:34:38
gets so quiet that I cannot hear what the one woman says to the other I'm sitting here
00:34:44
going getting ready to LEAP out of my chair when the operator's asking Shannon question after question over and over
00:34:51
and over again of I want to LEAP out of my chair and just say godamn it woman tell me something tell me something it's
00:34:58
beyond confusing and it's beyond frustrating kill one of the guys that looks the best
00:35:06
[Applause] in where are [Applause] you what 3 for service where are you Shannon [Applause]
00:35:34
[Applause] Shannon shannon4 963 gray [Music] [Applause] [Music] Shannon [Music] [Applause]
00:36:13
[Applause] he so she makes the statement that they're going to kill me or they're going to
00:36:33
kill me now and then like you said the 911 operator is Whispering again about one of the men said blah blah
00:36:42
blah I don't know if there was some kind of tussle or something some kind of struggle for the phone but it sounds
00:36:52
like she decided at that moment they're going to they're going to kill me I'm better off to just make a run for it
00:37:00
and what you hear at the end of the clip that we just left off is it's her running and I'm guessing she's in like
00:37:08
flipflops or something yeah who knows I mean we're hearing whatever kind of Footwear she was wearing that night and
00:37:14
actually we we would know what that is based off of her remains being found later in her her belongings being found
00:37:22
as well but yes it sounds to me it it's it's scary it's terrifying to hear that there's this there's this long period
00:37:31
where nothing is happening and then all of a sudden it's two screams and and running is what I'm hearing and we know
00:37:39
that at some point that she flees the home and ran to Gus ket's home so this must be the running that we're hearing
00:37:47
there at that point and I picture this is like the screams of her breaking out busting out the side door the front door
00:37:55
to go running out into the dark Ness keep in mind if you've looked up this street uh the Fairway Street on Google
00:38:04
Maps or on the Apple app th this is a is a street this is a a neighborhood where you can imagine that
00:38:12
it's going to be very dark at night it's going to be very dark outside and we clearly know that she has not much of a
00:38:19
clue of where she is so it's the screams to me of busting out of that that home and and fleeing down the street and
00:38:29
again terrifying because we don't know what's happening during that long period of Silence where we hear virtually
00:38:34
nothing right and then it's the quick [Applause] screams I think that's I say8 ofs I
00:39:00
[Music] think did you call that [Applause] one Shannon hello [Applause] that's excuse
00:39:55
me [Applause] during that clip you can hear Shannon knocking on somebody's door you have to
00:40:14
remember that it is 4 a.m. in the morning so somebody responding to a knock is not going to happen
00:40:23
instantaneously yes and the other thing though too is we don't know many doors she may have knocked on before arriving
00:40:28
at Gus K's home from my understanding his home is about 2/10 of a mile from Joseph Brewer's home Joseph Brewer is
00:40:37
located at 8 the Fairway Drive and colleti is at 17 the Fairway Drive they're both on the same side of the
00:40:45
street but there would be three houses on that same side of the street that I can see maybe a fourth it's hard to say
00:40:54
it's hard to say what's under the trees there but there would be at least three homes
00:40:59
between Brewers and [Applause] [Applause] klees [Applause] who's the shield on the
00:41:38
[Applause] [Music] car Shannon I wonder if she has a phone in her [Applause] pocket
00:42:33
[Applause] Shannon Shannon [Applause] [Music] Shannon somebody you huh hello hello don't keep yourself where you
00:43:41
[Applause] going wait a minute where you [Music] going something like doart g o p e r
00:43:55
t [Applause] hello she didn't spell it but that's what it sounded like again a a lot of noise to sift through but
00:44:42
like you said he's three houses away she knocked on multiple houses until she got
00:44:47
to the third one you could hear Gus talking to her I couldn't make out any of her
00:44:54
replies but she's she's running at a pretty quick pace for somebody that is possibly intoxicated or on some kind of
00:45:06
drugs her her breathing is very heavy and her response to what's a matter from Gus colleti she says I need help and
00:45:17
that's all she says to Gus before then fleeing his front porch area and as I said there there are three homes
00:45:27
between Brewers and klees on that same side of the street but there are two homes between this distance on the south
00:45:39
side of this street so the two homes on the south side of the street are far enough away from the actual Road from
00:45:47
Fairway Drive this they may not have been visible to her or she may not have wanted to go in the direction of either
00:45:54
of them if I had to pick where I would want to run in this situation it probably would be the same direction
00:46:02
that she went and then end up at ket's place I think I would have stuck with those
00:46:08
houses on that on the north side of that street and continued on that way but this is
00:46:14
where Shannon Gilbert's 911 call ends and then we have Gus colleti shortly after Shannon flees his home
00:46:25
he's going to call 911 police 873 with location of emergency yes this I live at Oak beach
00:46:33
in the association and there's a young girl about 14 years old running around here screaming and there's some guy
00:46:40
trying to follow her what's the address there I'm at 17 the Fairway all right you have a description of the girl or
00:46:48
the boy pardon me you have a description of the girl or the boy the girl was about 14 years old got blonde hair very
00:46:57
small the boy I can't tell he was in like a a a Suburban what color uh black did you happen to get a plate
00:47:08
number or any no I didn't okay telephone number you're calling from for are they still on The
00:47:16
Fairway uh they just went past the gate housee where the entrance is and what's the name of the
00:47:21
complex it's Oak Beach Association okay out at by Robert Moses all right we got somebody over there I'll be watching oh
00:47:30
okay we know because of the call that Shannon took off left Brewer's house to try to get help and now this is evidence
00:47:40
that she's being at least followed by Michael Pack after leaving Gus ket's home Shannon will run another 2/10 of a
00:47:49
mile to another road named The Bayou where she will then have an interaction with a second homeowner and this
00:47:57
homeowner's name is Barbara Brennan suff police 875 what is the location of your
00:48:04
emergency uh 40 43 the bou some woman is knocking at my door what town are you in
00:48:10
Oak Beach Association what's the nearest corner street though uh Ocean Parkway she say she's in danger do you know her
00:48:19
or no no I don't I'm not letting her in she's banging on your door there yes did you say what kind of danger no okay
00:48:30
and we live in a gated community what's your name ma' uh Barbara Brandon what's there a name to that
00:48:36
Community uh Oak Beach Association Oak Beach Association and I have an elderly mother here all right I'll get somebody
00:48:43
right over there okay okay thank you you're welcome and as we said this is another 2/10 of a mile from kle to
00:48:52
Barbara Brennan's house at 43 the B you really I've looked at this a few different ways here captain and Shannon
00:49:01
could have taken any number of routes to get from klees to Brennan's and they're all about 2/10 of
00:49:11
a mile but we we should be clear if you look at this on a map here it's not like
00:49:16
she just continued on down the road and we should assume that she just continued
00:49:20
on down the road she could have gone as said three or four different routes to get to this other location now this
00:49:28
woman is afraid she doesn't know what's going on she's not going to allow this strange person into her
00:49:35
home and there's no real interaction that we hear on the phone between Shannon Gilbert and Barbara Brennan but
00:49:45
based off of Barbara's words it sounds like they did have some interaction before she placed this phone call now we
00:49:52
should also point out too that K's call and Brennan call are going to a different entity at this point they're
00:50:00
going to the suffk County Police Department and that's because they live in suffk County they're using numbers
00:50:08
that are from suffk County and when Shannon Gilbert was calling 911 earlier because she's not from this area she's
00:50:17
probably getting a a very general number emergency line and they're trying to figure out where she is because remember
00:50:26
they keep asking her over and over again are you in Nassau County or suff County
00:50:30
right and she's not able to give them an answer now she's transferred to the state police who are trying to figure
00:50:38
out where she is but both of these calls came into suff County Police Department
00:50:43
when they called 911 so they aren't fully aware that somebody else the state police was just on the phone with the
00:50:51
woman that was running down the street knocking on people's doors the question becomes is Shannon connected to the
00:50:58
other victims I think there's too many coincidences we have same similar body type same profession same way of
00:51:06
contacting her to hire her and then you have this 911 call it's it's very confusing but it's clear to me that she
00:51:17
is afraid it's clear to me that something happened to her or something was said or people were acting in a
00:51:25
certain way to make her feel afraid they then chase her later she ends up in this
00:51:32
Marsh you're going to tell me that at 4:00 she just runs into this Marsh and gets lost and then the the sun comes up
00:51:41
and she just is lost for days and then that's how she dies it doesn't make any sense now if you told me she ran into
00:51:49
the marsh and then she overdosed okay but then who gave her the drugs was was she given the drugs willingly or did
00:51:57
somebody slip her the drugs there's too many even just her body type there's too
00:52:04
many coincidences for me to not think that these are connected and I think this 911 call shows the threat and shows
00:52:15
the danger and what's the end result Shannon Gilbert's dead well I say boil this down to its simplest form and to me
00:52:26
what I hear is a woman that is scared that is afraid and that she has become afraid because of something she's
00:52:35
witnessed or heard and she's calling for help she doesn't really know how to tell them to
00:52:43
help her and she fully believes that these two individuals if not more are plotting against her that they are going
00:52:50
to kill her and so on its simplest form we know that she's found dead in this area they don't recover her remains for
00:52:58
quite some time there's no level of clarity here in Shannon's situation to offer much in the way into an
00:53:08
investigation for law enforcement even after they find her remains I have the medical examiner
00:53:16
telling me that it was a tragic accident that she's dead we have another professional hired by the Gilbert family
00:53:23
who says no the hyoid bone was brok broken and therefore she was strangled to death she was
00:53:28
murdered this 911 call has not added any Clarity to me for the Shannon Gilbert situation if she was a victim of
00:53:39
homicide if she belongs in the batch with the rest of the Long Island serial killer
00:53:45
victims but we know one thing for certain she was driven out to this area that night and I I don't believe that
00:53:53
this would be the first wild party that she has been hired to entertain I don't believe that
00:54:00
this is even the first gated community that she's gone to I'm not saying that she's gone to this gated community
00:54:05
before or even one near here but what I do know is in between the distance in between the two locations
00:54:16
where Shannon Gilbert and Michael Pack left Manhattan and where Joseph Brewer was
00:54:22
having his party they're going to find 10 remains on that stretch of on that stretch of
00:54:29
road between those two locations I have a really hard time believing that it's just
00:54:37
coincidence that Shannon Gilbert ended up dead that night after telling us what she told us on that 911
00:54:45
call again I'm glad that they released it I'm thankful that they released it I actually think that it makes the
00:54:54
officers and the people that worked that phone call painted in a much better light than we were expecting after all
00:55:01
the rumors we were hearing and speculation of well they didn't want to help her that's not the vibe I got from
00:55:07
listening to these calls I got the vibe that yes they did want to help her I got
00:55:11
the vibe that Gus colleti wanted to help her that Barbara Brennan wanted to help
00:55:16
her they just didn't know what was going on they didn't know what the situation was and Shannon for whatever reason
00:55:23
could not explain to them what was going on either so to me I'm not going to listen to this and say nope you
00:55:32
convinced me otherwise she's not a victim again I'm not saying she is 100% this just doesn't it doesn't take her
00:55:40
off of the potential victim list for me and it really does not do anything to alleviate any suspicions I had of Joseph
00:55:49
Brewer or Michael Pack from seven years ago Long Island serial killer this killer has a
00:56:00
type 10 bodies were found near a remote [Music] beach we' were dealing with a serial
00:56:11
killer all four killed by one killer the Long Island serial killer like I always want to thank you
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