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chair grab a beer let's talk some true cry [Music] family is everything when times get
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tough there is nothing like having supportive parental figures to help guide you to
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adulthood in the life of cly jeene Delaney that figure was undoubtedly her parental grandmother Nancy Warren
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in the absence of steady committed biological parents Nancy offered her granddaughter a stable upbringing and a
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loving household not only when she became unexpectedly pregnant when she was just
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a teenager but long after even when cida was an adult with three children of her
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own which is why the horrifying events that occurred in the dark rainy hours on the night of Sunday October oober 13th
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1968 were all the more tragic this is true crime garage and this is the still unsolved case of the
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bedside [Music] murders the following is told from the perspective of Johnny usri I knew I was
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late waking that morning because I could see that the Sun was shining through my
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bedroom window normally when I wake it is still mostly dark out but that morning the sun was already up and out
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and that normally hasn't happened yet when I wake up I got out of bed and I went out of my room looking for my
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mother so I walked into my mother's bedroom and I immediately noticed that her bed was still made I thought thought
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that this was weird because to me it meant that nobody had slept in the bed my mother's purse was open and sitting
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on the bed the contents of which had been dumped out not in a pile but spread throughout all over my mother's bed of
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course none of this made any sense the sun shining through my window my mom's bed still made from the night before and
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her purse dumped I wasn't sure what was going on or frankly what I was supposed to do so I decided to go outside I was
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still in my pajamas and Barefoot but I went outside anyway I was looking for my mom my grandmother lived in her trailer
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by herself right next door my mother me and my two little brothers lived in a separate trailer we always went over
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there to my grandma's for meals and to hang out and stuff there was a gravel walkway between our trailer and my
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grandmother's trailer when I stepped outside right away I saw my mom she was lying on the ground gravel between the
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two trailers she wasn't moving I ran to her and knelt down something was around her neck I screamed I screamed as loud
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as I could but it was of no use not to her not to me she was gone the thing about that moment that I'll never forget
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is that my mom she was a blonde a true blonde almost platinum and lying there with no life left in her she looked
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different to me her face was so pale that it was almost the exact same color as her hair the same color as her almost
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white hair she my mom was all white and she was dead I can remember it like it was yesterday I screamed like crazy and
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I got up and I ran to my grandmother's trailer now in this exact moment I don't know if I was still screaming or not but
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I can remember watching my hand twist the door knob and it opened with ease I pulled the door open and I
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stepped inside the first thing that I noticed was that the television was on but the screen was all
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fuzzy then I saw her lying there the same way as my mom I was frightened so I ran out of there but I couldn't stand
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the thought of seeing my mother again the way she was so I decided to run out of the back of my grandmother's trailer
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and then I ran around to the back of ours I went inside and I woke up my two brothers I dressed them both as quick as
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I could I was going to get them out of there we were just about to leave when something stopped me I will never
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understand why but something compelled me to stop and grab the three piggy banks that we kept on top of the
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refrigerator I handed one to each of my brothers and now with a piggy bank in each of our arms we ran the three of us
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to the neighbor's house me being the oldest I pounded on the door when The Neighbor opened up I told them that my
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mommy and my grandma were dead a short time later I remember staring out the window looking across the field at the
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two trailers and seeing all of the cop cars I was 8 years old Captain these murders as described by the little
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8-year-old boy Johnny usri are at times referred to as the bedside murders now from the description
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that we just provided that's not such a great name Mrs clida Delaney h24 this is Johnny's mother she was
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found dead having been strangled just as he described lying on some gravel in the
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short distance between these two trailers Nancy Warren who Johnnie is calling Grandma in this
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description she is 65 years old and she's actually cida's grandmother so Johnny's great grandmother but he called
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her grandma she Nancy was found in the living room area of her trailer she too strangled but there was a significant
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amount of blood around her she's was found lying in a pool of her own blood and in some reports they state that this
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pool of blood is about 4T in diameter this took place near Yukaya California the bodies were found on Monday October
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14th 1968 that is why the little boy was saying that he knew that he was late because this was a school day for him
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and he was used to his mother waking him for school as we just heard and that did
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not happen on this day so if the bedside murders isn't a good name where did it come from and what do you think it
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should have been called well I I don't have an opinion on what it should be called but they neither victim was found
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in their bed or next to their bed one victim outside one in the living room but we can surmise here captain that the
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the name likely comes from the original newspaper headline about this story and that headline was Yukaya mother and
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daughter found strangled in their beds which we know wasn't true now keep in mind back then in a lot of the different
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parts of our country the newspaper newspaper business was huge and sadly it that's not the case anymore the
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newspaper business was so big and so many people bought papers and read papers that they in many parts of the
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country they were putting out a morning paper and an evening paper and we've seen this with a lot of other cases from
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the 50s and 60s that we've talked about over the years where you get this reporting they're they're really wanting
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to get the story out but they they don't really have all of the information or the information that they get is just
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not good information because it's a rush to get this story out right these bodies
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are found 7:30 a.m. maybe 8 a.m. at the latest by the time we have Authorities on the scene and and going through the
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scene and this is in the evening paper which still has to be an article written statement taken and then the paper
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printed and delivered to everybody so a quick turnaround would lead to this being called the bedside murders with
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the detail the incorrect detail of the two being found strangled in their beds William we have to remember too that
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newspapers were a lot bigger because a lot of households didn't even have television sets now little Johnny had
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just turned 8 years old this is just days prior so in many of the reports he is said to be
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seven this is mosino County California persons who follow this show will remember that this is the same general
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area that we were talking about with parts of the duo serial killers case Leonard Lake and Charles A but obviously
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years before those abductions and murders began now we need to go through a little bit of a background here on our
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victims Nancy Warren the of the two victims the grandmother or great grandmother she's cida's grandmother and
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the great grandmother of the three boys that were forced to flee the trailer on that faithful day now when most people
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think of great grandmothers or great grandparents they think of persons in their 80s or maybe their 90s Nancy by
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all accounts was 64 or 65 years old she was the owner operator of ny's antique shop some Reports say that it was called
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Warren's antique shop which would be her last name this is located this little store this antique shop was located near
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the two trailers that's going to make things complicated for investigators as well because there's the the the motive
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in this case here Captain for either of these victims to have been killed is still highly debatable to this very day
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one thing we have to keep in mind too that antique shop that she owned and ran this is very near Highway 101 we've
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talked about this with bank cases or anytime we have a victim where their home is very near the freeway that lends
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itself to being maybe a random crime somebody driving by somebody from the area or not
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even from the area and so this case gets complicated just by the proximity to the highway as well the descriptions
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I found state that this antique store was approximately two to 300 yards from the freeway so it it's very close not
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far at all now Nancy Warren the older of the two victims she was the owner of both of the trailers that the family was
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living in at the time nany's in one trailer and Clyde in the three little boys in the other
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cida who as reported has the last name of Delaney she would have been just 16 or 17 when she had her first son Johnny
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Johnny and the other two little boys their father is John user he had done some prison time for stealing
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cattle and at the time of these murders was living in Oregon so he's living in a
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different state the two had divorced and I believe it was just about 2 years before the
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murder that they they had separated and the divorce was final but it should be noted that he was seeking full custody
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of the three boys but wasn't having any success on that front my guess would be him having committed a
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crime that lands his butt in prison is probably standing in the way of him having full custody of his Three Sons
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from what little information there is the marriage was not great so the two separated but the boys were very and I
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can't express this enough very fond of their father saying that it was like Christmas every time that he came around
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they always say that they were very excited to see him so I I'm guessing that meant that when when dad showed up
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when he was around when they got to see him that meant probably gifts he's probably showing up with some gifts and
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I would have to guess too given the distance between them and their father the visits were probably few and
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far between and we all know how much little kids would look forward to a visit of mom or dad especially when it's
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not so frequent investigators got their hands full on this case because like you
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said you have the business not far from where they live so then it becomes a question of is this a personal attack is
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is this attack connected to the business in some way shape or form and then when
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you're doing your investigation what is missing is there anything missing from the homes or the business and the other
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thing too that we need to go through here is that based off of his description right we'll we'll know more
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details as we go along but just based off of Little Johnny's description we know that the killer or Killers I want
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to be clear about that because there's a lot of thought that this was at least a
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two-person job the killer or Killers we can surmise from his description that they entered both
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trailers right they had to go into Nancy Warren's trailer she was found dead inside her trailer now cida was killed
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and found lying between the two trailers but the little boy says that his mother's purse had been dumped and
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Scattered about on her still made bed and so that would be indicative to me that the person was inside that trailer
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at some point now the antique shop itself while it is very close in proximity to these two trailers was
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never entered that night and that's a statement coming from not family not anybody that has anything to hide that's
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coming from law enforcement they say that the the antique store nobody went into that store during the time of the
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murders back to the background here Captain it looks to me like the Father John that they were so fond of the three
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boys I believed I believe he did raise the three boys after CID was killed so that that's going to be very problematic
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for him as a suspect right it's widely known at the time that he's seeking full custody of these three kids not having
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any success ESS on that front but the result of the murder is he ends up with custody of his three children yeah and
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it makes you wonder what was the court saying to him to begin with were they saying even if she wasn't around the
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custody would go to the the grandma so then that would be motivation to kill both individuals true I I would imagine
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that they're probably not even worried about next to Ken when he's filing and trying to get and seeking full custody
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because the simple answer is going to be you went to prison here's this woman the
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mother the biological mother of these three kids she's more fit deemed to be more fit by the courts to raise them
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than you are and we all know that dollars to Donuts especially back in the day a lot of times even if you're
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standing on even ground the mother may get majority custody I wouldn't say say full custody but M majority custody now
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we do know that he was able to see his sons now did that mean overnight visits did that mean longer stays at his place
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that I can't speak to but what I can say is that after this divorce remember this
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is about two years prior to the murders Nancy our other victim cida's grandmother we should
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point out that cida's biological mother which would which would be nany's daughter was pretty much absent for most
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of cida's life especially her adult life so Nancy the grandmother insisted that cida
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and the boys live in the other trailer I would imagine she says for as long as you need but at some point you know this
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is an older woman this is a lot of responsibility that she's taking on we do know that cida was dating maybe even
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recently married to another guy this is Donald Delaney so that's the explanation
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for why her last name is cida Delaney at the time Donald is in his 40s he has a daughter she is in she's a young
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teenager at the time of the murders his daughter lived with him so the two live in an
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apartment the marriage let's just say is debatable because we have some say that they were
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married and others say that there was no official marriage license but it could very well be that that she was married
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but what we do know is that she's using his last name and after the murders take
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place the newspapers are saying that the two were married now as this story goes
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Captain Donald who was more than 20 years older than cida the two were were dating and she gets pregnant it was said
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that the two went to Reno Nevada to get married just the two of them at the insistence of some of Clyde's family
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members why weren't the two living together well that could be a very important piece of the murder puzzle
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here Donald said that they would all five of them be living together if he could afford to get a house big enough
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for this new family he said that he was in the process of house hunting According to some and and
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according to others he said he simply could not afford a house big enough for the family Donald was a California
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highway patrol officer so they lived separate but would hang out together frequently cido was 8
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months pregnant when she was murdered so more fittingly so we should call this a
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triple murder case because regardless of who the Killer is and regardless of how
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this whole thing went down at that point you have to know that you are killing as soon to be mother
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carrying a baby yeah even though the business trailer wasn't entered that doesn't mean that that wasn't a
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connection in this attack but then you have this pregnant woman which she's married or not married Rachel says
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they're together Ross says they're on a break do we have any sign of sexual assault cuz that could be a possible MO
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in this crime no we have no sexual assault on either of the two PHS with big Wireless providers what you
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sheriff's office just after 7:30 a.m. that morning after Little Johnny found both mom and great grandma
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dead and packed up his little brothers and headed to the neighbor's house Sheriff Reno bartolom and a Cadre of
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officers arrived on the scene and began the investigation Sheriff bomi labeled the case
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top priority the reports are that he assigned his top man this is senior investigator Earl friend to the
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case this particular area while they do have so when we say senior investigator our top man he does
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have plenty of homicide investigation experience but they don't this is not an area where they have dozens of homicides
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every year from my understanding it it's roughly one maybe two a year so not a an
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area that sees a lot of this type of violence or this level of violence we should
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say both women had been beaten and strangled with a leather bootlace now before we venture too far
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along this report the reporting in this case kind of drove me a little mad the truth is both women were strangled
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with a leather what I would describe as a leather boot lace several of the reports say that
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they were GED with a leather thong and so to me the word thong is much different than a boot lace and GED
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is much different than strangled to me when I look at a case and I see strangled it's kind of pardon the term
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but murder 101 one right the mo most people kill someone for just a very limited a number
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of reasons either either greed Revenge hate or anger or to cover up another crime and
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that that's what gets wonky here because we have two victims there's a a strong likelihood here that one victim was
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killed simply because the other one was killed collateral damage GED to me is very far
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from murder 101 that is sexual sadism that's a whole different monster the newspapers at the time appear to be
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using the word Gat and strangle interchangeably and they're not it's it's an incorrect statement okay
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like where with a garat you're now you you're using another tool you're using some kind of tool right
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usually it's like a stick or or sometimes a branch or something of that nature maybe even a pipe to use to twist
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and to turn to to cause that strangulation with that tool and I say sexual sism because a lot of times when
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this type of method is used they are are releasing and then tightening and releasing and tightening to cause Max
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maximum suffrage but as far as do we have this murder weapon was this murder weapon left at the scene of the crime
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both were found with the with an item still wrapped around their neck right so does that to you does that point to
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more than one individual cuz seems a little strange to me that they' have they both have something wrapped around
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their neck well what seems the most strange to me is that the way that it's described is that both
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both items were left at the scene left around the necks of the women and they the item is identical that's why I'm
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underlining and and pointing out to the listeners here leather bootlace is by far the best way to describe this
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particular item so if you look up the the technical definition of thong right like we're not talking about Cisco's
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Thong Song from right can you believe that song's like over 20 years old now that does that make you feel old but
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seems like it came out yesterday yeah he's not we're not talking about like a leather thong like underwear type and
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then some people might even refer to sandals or something of that nature as as a th we're not talking about anything
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like that it this this item I've seen pictures of it it's 36 in in length and it's it's made out of leather I'm
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calling it a boot lace it it technically you don't you wouldn't I don't know that
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you would see this for a boot lace the the thing that I would think you would see this the most of like right when you
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go to festivals concerts and what have you you might see this item being fashioned into some kind of necklace
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where you you would put put some piece of jewelry hanging on it and and use it as a necklace or or use it to Fashion a
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leather bracelet yeah which was very common at the time I mean this is the you know peace love and Flower Power
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movement so you'd see these kind of necklaces or were wristbands of often made at festivals and and sold so they
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could make some money I was really trying to figure out well I mean even I remember even in the 90s and 2000s
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people selling these things at festivals you can still see it today but the the the thing I was really trying to figure
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out here Captain with the description of this murder weapon mind you it's left on
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both women so that means two somebody somebody either found these at the scene and chose to use them mhm
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or brought them to the scene with them now I I've been struggling for a couple days to try to sort out my head does
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that mean that they knew they were going to kill two victims I don't think that that necessarily means that it could
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mean that they thought they were going they they brought more than one for the purpose of tying somebody up and for
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whatever re that play out the scene yeah we don't know because we're not we weren't there so we don't know if the
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killer or Killers had a bunch of these well and and I'm pointing all this out to just to state
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that our current day understanding of the word GED or Gat just simply does not apply here
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right that so don't don't have that image in in your head because I don't think it it
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applies so the way that it's described is as said 36 in both of these items and I'm going to call them a boot lace going
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forward it it says each lace each boot lace had been looped twice around the neck then knotted in the back both women
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were fully clothed and seem to have dropped almost immediately Earl friend the investigator was struck by the quote
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lack of panic at the crime scene robbery was tentatively ruled out as the antique
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store was not broken into there was a large amount of cash in plain sight in Nancy Warren's trailer that wasn't taken
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and then the the the phrase that the investigator using lack of panic really hit home with me
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because that made me think that the women were taken by surprise cuz that that's not where my mind Goes My Mind
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goes what happened to them before this attack was there drugs in their system were they were they drunk what was there
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a reason why they didn't put up because to me panic almost equals struggle if you have a struggle then the person is
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panicking or you'd see some kind of confusion or the crime scene would be disheveled does that make any sense mhm
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that's that's what he's saying there's no sign of that at the scene yeah so did they do a toxicology report that
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information is not available I don't even I mean this is 68 right so is that is that even something that they
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were doing obviously not at the level that they can are capable of doing it now but were they doing that back then I
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can tell you this the newspapers and police back then were quite I'm trying to put this as politely as I can on
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there they're they're rude right like it's 1968 right whether or not she married
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Don Delaney the reason why that would be in such dispute is because if they were
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having a child together whether they got married or not they may want to give off
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the appearance of having been married and her taking his last name even if there was no marri marriage license
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simply because of the the shame that would come from having a child together at a wedlock today that's that's every
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day right back then that was something that was really incredibly frowned upon and even like drinking and drugs and
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anything of that nature would was way more frowned upon than it is today so had they found an open bottle of liquor
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in the living room with Nancy waren it would have been all over the new newpapers they would have said oh there
00:36:29
was a lack of panic because she was she was believed to be intoxicated they don't say that and so what I mean by
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lack of panic here you hit the nail on the head he's saying that not because there's no that that neither woman put
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up a fight he's saying that because there's not it didn't look like the like a fight
00:36:49
occurred that caused a bunch of Destruction inside the trailer with Nancy Warren mhm we know that she put up
00:36:58
a fight because we have unidentified suspect blood that was found under her fingernails and she was
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beaten severely so somebody attacked her having beat her and then strangled her cida was different even though we
00:37:18
had the the little boy saying I found my grandmother the same as I had found my mother there's little to no blood in
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cly's case she appears to have just been hit once and we get no detail as far as
00:37:32
whether they believe this was with an item or strictly just punched in the face and then she's
00:37:38
strangled so where they say lack of panic and I say taken by surprise I don't think that Nancy Warren was was
00:37:47
expecting that there was any kind of that there was going to be any kind of problem with whoever was there and we
00:37:53
probably don't know this but do we have defensive wounds on their neck a as you know like what a lot of people believe
00:38:02
are moon shape marks around John benet's neck do we have that same situation here
00:38:09
because if somebody's being strangled to death and they're and they're fighting off the attack they might not actually
00:38:17
be fighting the attacker they might be fighting the object that's trying to choke them and so we' get defensive
00:38:23
wounds on their neck I believe they're kind of like half moon shapes or a moon Crest shape I believe both of these
00:38:31
women the way that it's been described to me I believe that there's a good chance especially with cida that she was
00:38:38
damn near knocked unconscious with that one hit before she was strangled and I think very similar could be the case
00:38:46
with her grandmother Nancy here's what we have here the the time of death is difficult here and the papers really
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went after the sheriff a bit here for not being able to narrow down the time frame and when the two murders could
00:39:03
have taken place they they really had a hard time with the sheriff on that and the sheriff was trying to explain to him
00:39:09
he's like look it's not like it is on TV we we can't narrow it down very well like so the general time of death for
00:39:17
both was simply listed as late Sunday October 13th or early Monday October 14th and we know
00:39:25
obviously and timeline very very important is the time of death especially in this case because
00:39:33
we have one suspect some might even call him the prime suspect that could be completely eliminated if the time of
00:39:39
death were late enough it it bothers me this the the weapon of choice now the that's the final weapon of death right
00:39:50
is is this boot lace one level I think having the same boot lace around both victim's necks you
00:40:01
go well that's one killer right but then we don't know the motive it's the same type of boot lace but it's not I mean
00:40:08
there were two of them but it's confusing to me because we have basically the same type of boot lace
00:40:16
around both victim's neck and so does does that point to to one killer or or is it we don't
00:40:25
understand the motive so it's hard to understand the crime so maybe there was two and then that
00:40:31
would mean that this was planned out way more but also we don't have our only eyewitnesses are children so they can't
00:40:41
tell us oh by the way this this boot lace came from my mother yeah that that's the part that makes it
00:40:48
very tough on our end is there it doesn't sound to me like the Sheriff's Office had a clue whether these items
00:40:59
were I can't talk to them but just your gut feeling what what do you think talk to who why can't talk to I can't talk to
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law enforcement um because it's not 1968 but I'm just saying like what my gut my
00:41:13
gut points to that this was thoroughly planned out and I I guess I lean more towards
00:41:21
that this is multi multiple Killers I don't have a strong opinion on the number of Killers because I don't think
00:41:28
that there's enough information for me to arrive at any type of conclusion here I wouldn't rule out the possibility that
00:41:34
there were multiple Killers because of I just wanted to know what what you felt in your gut and what you felt in your
00:41:40
butt well I don't have a feeling is what no feeling in the butt I I just said there's not enough information to come
00:41:48
to a conclusion if there was more than one killer what I was trying to say is that what the reason why I wouldn't rule
00:41:54
that out is you have law enforcement in this case that have said that there is a
00:42:00
possibility that this was a Twan job or or twers job I believe is the their exact statement well and the other thing
00:42:10
that I think possibly points to that and why law enforcement is making that statement is
00:42:17
because the lack of I guess for better word destruction at the crime scene it's seems to be a more controlled
00:42:29
situation and if you have one killer on multiple victims I would think that you would see more
00:42:37
confusion at the crime scene true but there's there's many scenarios where one could have been killed and then the
00:42:45
other is killed later where you don't have to control you don't have to control to I mean one's found inside a
00:42:51
trailer one's found outside right I think another thing that convolutes this whole case is that when you start to
00:42:58
look at some of the suspects that they've had in this case a lot of the suspects would point to regardless if
00:43:05
there's one or two killers who's the target here if if this was not a robbery gone wrong which I I don't know that I
00:43:14
think that it was but who's the target here were both women targeted or was one the Target and then
00:43:23
the other was collateral damage and the suspect when you review the suspect list
00:43:29
here it it's suggestive that cida Jean the 24-year-old she was the Target because
00:43:37
of the the close nature between her and some of the suspects however what the crime scene
00:43:45
tells me Captain is that I'm looking at a scenario where I think somebody was in
00:43:50
the trailer with Nancy Warren kills her and the commotion of that causes to come
00:43:58
walking over from her trailer to see what's going on and she's intercepted by the killer or Killers or somebody on the
00:44:06
lookout and then killed between the two trailers if that's the scenario then you
00:44:12
go well Nancy right whoever's taken out first is usually the targeted victim if you know
00:44:20
the the victims you know how closely they're connected so in order to kill one you
00:44:27
might have decided that you have to kill two before you even show up yeah I mean
00:44:32
they're practically we they're in two trailers but they're practically living together you don't get any more close
00:44:39
than that and it could be as simple of a situation as well if you kill one you have to kill the other because the other
00:44:47
will tell everybody in their in their cousin that I'm the most likely killer that I'm the one that uh would be the
00:44:56
guy or the girl or somebody to look at in this case the the thing that that that is so
00:45:04
problematic about this case is the description of the crime scene and the description of the evidence that's
00:45:11
available to us all of these years later where you have statements from the sheriff's office that they say that
00:45:17
these that they there's no indication that they think that the killer or killers found these leather
00:45:24
bootlaces for a lack of better term at the crime scene and then decided to use them right we've we've covered many
00:45:30
murder cases where the somebody takes a kitchen knife from the victim's kitchen and stabs them and that presents a whole
00:45:39
different set of possibilities where here there's no there's never any mention that that these bootlaces belong
00:45:49
to Nancy or to cida So based off of that we can go under the idea that they were
00:45:56
brought to the scene but how much did the Sheriff's Office know and how much did investigators know about the the
00:46:03
evidence that they're finding because they give such strange statements like one statement about these this leather
00:46:09
cord that that probably be a better description these leather cords what they say that they were new
00:46:17
these were new leather cords but we don't believe that they were purchased recently well how the hell would you
00:46:25
know that like they're new right like like I get that maybe they're new right you you would see new but we know that
00:46:34
they're New Old Stock you would see signs of wear and tear on this particular item if they weren't new so I
00:46:40
I get how you arrive at that conclusion but then how did you get to the statement of well we don't believe that
00:46:46
they were purchased recently I guess maybe it's leather it dries out once it's removed from the packaging but
00:46:54
1968 I don't think that would even package these things right like you that they would they're not showing up you're
00:47:01
not purchasing these in in plastic they're not sealed up in plastic before you purchase them so that statement is
00:47:09
very strange I I hate to say it Captain but I think that the I think that this crime and I will say this in their
00:47:18
defense there appears to be much confusion here and that was working against the investigation of course but
00:47:26
but it appears to me that this might have been this murder these two murders might have been out of their league a
00:47:35
little bit they they might have been playing out of their league so much more to get to join us
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back here in the garage for part two same bat Time same bat Channel and until then be good be kind and don't litter
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