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a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] thank you [Music] when we first learned that Andrew was
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missing on June the 26th last year we were shocked we have spent the last seven months putting up posters
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searching for him with his friends with his co-workers and even complete strangers who cared enough to help find
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him through this we have come to know Andrew even better he was well known in his community he
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was a hard worker and he was loved by all we looked for him in the heat in the rain and in the snow
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December 9 was the last day that Karen and I searched for him it was snowing yesterday morning I received a call from
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detective Dave Dickinson telling me that they made an arrest I was in shock all I remember is saying
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oh my God oh my God I asked only one question did they find his body the answer was no I would like to thank
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Andrew friends and his co-workers for keeping his name in the media and the media for keeping his face in the public
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eye and the police for all their hard work I mean you always have hope that you know he's going to be found you know
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alive somewhere because there's medical issues there's things that can happen I mean you you that's the hard part when
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someone's missing is you live with hope and you live with despair like you hope that they're going to be found but you
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despair that they'll never be and and you know at least now there's a conclusion to Andrew's story
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[Music] Toronto Canada late 2010 Mr Abdul basar fiese is a 42 year old man born in
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Afghanistan and at some point in this man's life he had immigrated to Canada from Iran now
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he went by the name of basur now basur is a Muslim man a father and a husband and his family is Muslim as well
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he lived with his wife and two daughters but served back in 2010 worked as an assistant machine operator at a local
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printing company he would often tell his family that he was working 12-hour days now
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unfortunately becer was a closeted man I can't speak to every day but from the way it sounds most days but sir was not
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actually working 12-hour days he would go to work and then he would go to bars or to bath houses after work
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now on December 29 2010 berserk called home late in the evening and said that he would be home very very late that
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night he had stated that he had worked a long day and he was going to go out with
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a friend from work after he was done but sir did not return home that night nor did he return the next day or the
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day after now some time went by and his family was seeking answers as to where he could be
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and why he did not return home so trying to determine why his family did some snooping and they accessed his computer
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well they were shocked when they discovered that bassir had been secretly going to bath houses in the gay Village
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area in Toronto he had also been on several gay dating websites and apps with names such as
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silver daddies and bear 4-1-1 and he was also going to different gay bars or at least gay friendly bars right yes and so
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you know a relative would later tell news outlets that bassir had hid that he was gay from his family and then when
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when his family went to police to report him as a missing person right now they told the officers what they had found on
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bazaar's computer and what they had learned about him since he had disappeared after hearing
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all of this officers suggested that messur had probably just left running off to start a new life right
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but sir's family shared this belief in fact some sometime after but sir's wife made it official and divorced him
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she was angry with him she actually thought that he had abandoned her and their two young daughters
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so police were convinced that he had just decided to up and leave and start another life and the family was pretty
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convinced of this as well so unfortunately we have this man who goes missing but no one's really looking for
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but sir but please have kind of a problem on their hands because there's several men that have been to these bars
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in this gay Village that have gone missing no because almost four months earlier in September of 2010 and I I do
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have to make an apology before okay to all the listeners out there and to uh everyone you don't have
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to apologize anyone in the show anyone in the universe I'm apologizing to you but uh most people that have followed
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this show for a good amount of time know that this is not the place that you go to to get a uh pronunciation lesson
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lesson you didn't minor in that no and actually I frequently get pronunciation lessons from uh emailers so
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um but uh this this case holds a lot of tricky names so I'm going to give it my best shot give it my 100 effort here
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well we're gonna need you to give it 110 today so here we go um this man age 40 his name is skandora
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navaratna no okay uh he was reported missing in early September of 2010. he was known to
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frequent Toronto's gay Village specifically Church Street and Wellesley Street now he was better known to his
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fan his friends as skanda okay and he was last seen at a bar called zippers skanda was a regular there he liked to
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go to zippers and shoot pool uh he went to the bar on Sunday September 5th and was last seen leaving
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in the early morning hours of September 6th with a man on his arm the sixth was a holiday so late night
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partying should be expected now the man he left with well this is troubling because
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one thing that we should point out here is that with any with any bars you typically have regulars yeah okay and I
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I actually from hearing interviews and reading what Witnesses have stated in these different accounts here in this
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specific case that we're discussing today it seems like the These Bars that we're
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talking about had an even higher number of regulars yeah that they would they would see time and time again very few
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times would you see you know let's call it a stranger walking into one of these bars now the troubling thing here is
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that skanda is last seen with a man in the early morning hours of Monday September 6 leaving this bar this
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zippers bar well it makes it a little more scary that people are going missing when these bars are filled with regulars
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so then you have to start assuming on some level that the people that are going missing are going missing because
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of a regular well in discussing the man that scanda was last seen with the troubling thing
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the biggest troubling thing is people could not identify this man the the bartender said he didn't know who
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this man was and actually the thought amongst those that were interviewed is that the two scanned in this Unknown man
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that they were not in any kind of a relationship but the two had probably met that night right and then we see
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something similar with this disappearance that we saw when we spoke about basur skanda was a free-spirited
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man he would often take off and go out of town for a night or two very regularly right so there was this
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assumption here of course that that when he didn't show up for a day or two that this skin
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had just gone somewhere you know he went off on one of his his one one of his adventures let's say
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the other thought too was some people had wondered if there was a chance that scanda had fallen in love with someone
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maybe even the man that he was last seen with leaving zippers and maybe the two had run away together then about two
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years after basur and skanda go missing this is now October 14 2012. Majid Cayenne who lives in Toronto
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he is reported missing now this man is 58 years old at the time that he's reported missing kaihan is also a member
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of Toronto's gay village community The Disappearance of majeed was different in the sense that no one that
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police spoke with said that he would take off for any reason at all so okay this is unsettling right right the
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opposite yeah so now we have three adult males have gone missing in the course of
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a about a two-year time frame now let's say basur didn't take off and decided you know didn't take off to abandon his
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family now unfortunately you know from the outside looking in that's what that looks like you know when you see that
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when you see the this man has things on his computer uh and this whole life that
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no one seems to have known anything about with his family that's what it looks like when you are on the outside
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looking in right but if he didn't take off on his own then we have three men all 42 years of age are older
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similar ethnic backgrounds all known to have been frequenting gay bars so plenty
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in common here when you look at this from a victimology aspect could there be something going on in this area in this
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community so police set up a task force to look into these disappearances they called
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the task force project Houston this was set up in 2012. why do they call that you know that's the one thing
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I've always wondered about with these task force because sometimes I find that the name has some kind of relevance
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right maybe they had something you know that would make them come up with the name project Houston if I were involved
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in a task force I would want the job of naming the task force because there's always some like interesting name
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but so project Houston however set up in 2012 the the task force only lasted about 18 months this was closed when
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investigators on the task force could find no evidence leading them to the whereabouts of these three gentlemen or
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evidence to suggest that the cases were linked in any way other than the commonalities that we have just pointed
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out here it could have been as simple as there was a rumor that one of the guys went to Houston and maybe that's why
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they named it such a weird name for this case well the other thing that I want to
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point out here too and I don't want anybody jumping my back here I'm I'm the most
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well-rounded individual you will ever meet I'm a man of the people but here's a lot of round edges here's one thing I
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want to point out from a law enforcement perspective okay when they're looking at
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a case like this when you when we're talking to potential victims families and we say potential victims families
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because we we have three different scenarios one where a man appears that he may have just taken off and left
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right to a man that was known to leave for short periods of time but return and then another man that's the complete
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opposite that would never leave for any reason at all right without telling people right so so we may only have two
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victims here or one victim here we we don't know if we have victims yet because we have no bodies right and
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jumping off the page here we really only have one person that looks like he is somewhere that he shouldn't be or where
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he would not be expected to be right so from a law enforcement perspective even if even if all three of these men
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were endangered or if they had met with Foul Play somehow you have a situation where you have to question it is there a
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possibility of Foul Play involved in any of the disappearances of these men and I
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bring up that thought of a high-risk lifestyle because that would be on my mind if I were law enforcement talking
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about these cases if I were involved in task force uh project Houston you know and what I mean by that is it doesn't
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have anything to do with being a man or a woman or homosexual or heterosexual but when you have individuals that are
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reported by friends and family to believe to have having numerous casual encounters with
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different people then that is a bit of a high risk lifestyle that's exposing yourself to
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people that your friends don't know that your family don't know that that you may
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be spending an evening with or some time with and and the reason why it's high risk you don't know them either
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you don't you don't know much about them either you know if if I meet you captain
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in a bar you you're shooting pool we're having a good time and I've never seen you before did you find me on Silver
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Daddies no I found you in the bar I I was shooting a game of pool I challenged you
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to a game of pool and what I know about you if I decide to leave with you or if I decide to invite you somewhere with me
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I'm a little a little uncomfortable here but you see what I'm saying I only know
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what you've told me about yourself which could all be complete lies yeah I think
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the risk the risky Behavior you're talking about is you know it's you're not going home
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every night and watching Netflix I mean if you're going out to a bar uh you know
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more than four or five times a week then you're putting yourself at more of a risk if you're meeting people at bars
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and then going back to their house you're putting yourself at risk if you're meeting people on websites or
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dating apps then you're putting yourself at risk um so and and especially now you know I
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have a lot of single friends that are on the Tinder and um what's the other one Bumble uh these
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dating apps and they're going on sometimes two or three dates in a day yeah I haven't had a date in three years
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but but they're going on because I'm not going to take the risk well there's danger in everything that we do captain
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and I you know I don't want to ruin anybody's party but you can tell by the captain intros want to be the first
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party that you've ruined that I'm super excited about St Patrick's Day but you know people go out and celebrate you got
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to be careful and I tell you what one thing that is strange you know this this is strange that my brain ticks this way
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but you know what was it last weekend or the weekend before was the Arnold Classic comes to Columbus and
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unfortunately we've had two cases that we've talked about on our show where we've had
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College age men or well men in their late 20s go missing during the weekend of the Arnold challenge yeah I think the
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Arnold is the number two human trafficking event in the world what's the first one Super Bowl Super Bowl yeah
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yeah uh so you know I me and some of my friends uh and we have a a joke but in all seriousness we we are serious about
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this because we will say oh we don't go downtown during the Arnold Classic well and it's getting pretty sad because
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that's becoming an issue in every bar well let's shift gears here for a bit we just discussed the closing of project
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Houston but one of the biggest aspects of this case is something called project prism
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so we're going to have to fast forward a bit because in August of 2017 that is when project prism is formed to
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investigate the disappearances of a couple of men this is amid pressure from the public now while project prism is
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going to be a big aspect of this case many believe and rightfully so that the Catalyst for project prism well was
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something that was a major change and now we talked about the three men who had gone missing in the two-year time
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frame from 2010 to to late 2012 but in the time after those disappearances and leading up to 2017
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men continue to go missing these would be men believed to frequent Toronto's gay Village then on April 20th of 2017 a
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man by the name of Salim Asin he's 44 years old he lives in Toronto he is reported missing now a little
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background info a sin came to Canada from Turkey around three years before he went missing and he went to Canada for a
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relationship some of his friends say that that a sin he had struggled with addiction
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which he was very open about you know he didn't hide this uh addiction problem that he had right but he also was in a
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relationship that was was often abusive yeah that's sad now in the months leading up to his disappearance he was
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doing much better he was winning his battle over his addiction and he was staying away from his on and off again
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boyfriend the one that is responsible for the often abusive relationship a sin was last seen on April 14 2017
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this was close to his apartment building near Bloor Street and Jarvis Street police were they were treating his
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disappearance as suspicious well yeah and he would kind of wonder if he's in an abusive relationship is that person
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responsible for him going missing yes major red flag there now in June of 2017 here's here's what I think is a big
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thing that changed in these cases and it might be the victimology because where we have a lot of guys who we
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described they were described by family and friends or people of the community as men who quote are people on the
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margins of Canadian Society whose disappearance is attracted little public attention well now in 2017 and
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June 28th there's a man named Andrew Kinsman who lives in Toronto he's reported missing he was last seen alive on June
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26th Andrew was 49 years old he was a lgbqt activist and a former bartender in Toronto who had many many friends when
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he went missing so his friends well they took notice that he was gone and it's reported that Andrew suddenly
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went missing the day after Toronto's gay pride parade and as we said his friends
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took notice very quickly and so did the police actually leading into today's story The ver the voices that you heard
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there over top of the captain's always fantastic music those two ladies are Andrew's sisters so while some of the
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other men's disappearances received little attention Andrew kinsman's on the other hand had search parties and scores
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of friends looking for him when he went missing looking into Andrew's background
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he was a superintendent and a long-term volunteer at the Toronto people with AIDS Foundation friends and family
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actually figured pretty quickly that the man must have just they they figured that he was dead Okay shortly after he
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went missing because um after he went missing they they went to his apartment they they got gained access somehow into
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his apartment just two days after he went missing finding his cat finding Andrew's cat was left alone in his
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apartment and Andrew is a person that is described by all that I could find as someone that was extremely responsible
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he was a very responsible man and one thing that he certainly would would not do is to neglect his job duties as a
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superintendent or neglect his cat yeah so it's because of the disappearances of Salim a sin and Andrew Kinsmen that the
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police decided to start up another investigation in task force and this time the investigation is called project
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prism looking into the disappearances of these two men and both of these disappearances considered by family and
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police as suspicious in nature foreign Cheers Cheers Captain so where we left off we had three guys that went missing
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from the gay Village in Toronto and so they set up a task force called project Houston and then they closed that
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project down and then they set up a new project because we had another two guys that went missing and they called that
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project prism yeah so I want to make sure that we are painting the right picture here for
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everyone so most of us probably live in some sort of big city or even if you're not in the big city you might travel
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there for shopping or going out for coffee or just hanging out with friends so figure this that over the course of
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about eight years every time you venture into that big city when you're going to
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meet up with some of your friends or whatever every time you go there there is a missing flyer taped to a lamp post
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yeah on the corners at intersections and then a year later there's still a missing flyer taped to the lamp post on
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those Corners at the same intersections only this time it's a different man's face on the flyer with a different name
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and a new phone number to call and then the next time you go for coffee the same
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thing but again a different man different name well and every time you go to a bar you kind of hear hey this
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guy was at this bar and then he left with somebody and he's never ever been seen again well that's what people in
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Toronto were seeing around this time and you don't have to you know you only have
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to be in the big city a few times and see these different missing Flyers to know there's something going on here you
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don't even have to be part of the gay community or frequent those bars to know that something is going on and it ain't
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right so we talked briefly about the two task force but there is going to be one major
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breakthrough and that will be the difference between that of project Houston and that of project prism this
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big breakthrough is one of the cases that we are looking at in Project prism and this case is going to produce a
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potential suspect and even better this might even suggest that the three cases listed as part of of that project
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that there may be more in common with these cases than just men of similar ages going to the same places or living
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similar Lifestyles or possibly linked together because yes one can quickly start to find things in common from the
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cases in Project Houston and then the cases in Project prism but not only made the victimology be similar but we have
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one common thread here and that Common Thread is a man by the name of Bruce MacArthur right but what is his tie
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going to be to these gentlemen that went missing well it appears that there is some
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evidence to suggest that Bruce MacArthur had ties to two of the men on our missing men list okay so one of those
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men was skanda and then the other is Andrew Kinsman so friends of skanda would say that
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MacArthur employed and had some kind of sexual relationship with skanda from 1999 until
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2008. so the relationship ending about two years before Scana goes missing yeah that's a long relationship later we
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would learn that MacArthur's Facebook profile also showed that he was friends with skanda
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some others were saying that Andrew Kinsmen had some type of romantic relationship with MacArthur for an
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unknown amount of time and again like we said they were using dating websites such as silver
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daddy Silver Daddies silver daddies and the other one was Bear411 but I think there was a lot more
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um websites or apps being used amongst because now we're talking about a large group of people you know where we
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started off with one missing man where we're now talking about we have a suspect and plus five missing men that
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we've discussed there may be more that we've not discussed so we're starting to talk about a large pool of people so who
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is this Bruce McArthur guy so MacArthur grew up in kawatha Lakes this is northeast of Toronto and he married his
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wife Janice in the mid-1980s Janice yep and they resided in Oshawa now the couple they have a son and a daughter
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and then later of course grandchildren right so obviously at some point he's living
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as a heterosexual male he gets married he has kids they have kids now he's a grandfather but now he is going on dates
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with men well we haven't quite got there yet um so Bruce MacArthur faced financial
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difficulties in the mid to late 90s and then eventually declared bankruptcy in 1999. and then after being estranged
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from his wife MacArthur began socializing with members of Toronto's gay community
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and then as of 2018 Bruce MacArthur worked as a self-employed landscape Gardener yeah and in 2018 he's going to
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be living in thorncliff park uh it's Central East Toronto yeah you live there alone now let's go
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back to 2001 because in 2001 Bruce MacArthur well he was accused of assault and let's go through this shall we so we
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do not have the victim's name here the victim's name is was not shared nor is it necessary for you know to tell about
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MacArthur's past but what was presented and what was heard at the trial is that MacArthur and the victim they knew each
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other but they didn't have like a personal relationship or I wouldn't even say that
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they were they were friends according to documents they knew each other just enough to say hello say hello if they
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saw each other on the street or in a bar some reports state that the victim was a
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quote male Hustler uh which could be true we can't say for certain but I'm not mean
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male Hustler um well we have to to be clear here we're going off of a court document that
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states that this man may have been the victim may have been a male Hustler now the court document does not go on to
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Define what they believe a male Hustler to be so I will let everybody else out there use their imagination and you can
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decide what you think they mean by that so and the reason why I say it in that way Captain is because that could be
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true it could it could not be true who knows um but the story goes something like
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this now it's Halloween it's Halloween night so October 31st 2001 MacArthur and this man they go back to the man's house
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and the victim allowed MacArthur into his apartment according to both parties no sexual encounter took place that day
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in fact the reason for the two men going to the apartment was this the victim wanted to show MacArthur his Halloween
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costume well what the man did not know is MacArthur had concealed a lead pipe and once inside the apartment when the
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man had his back turned to Bruce McArthur Bruce pulled out the pipe and hit the man multiple times in the head
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now good for the victim because he was able to uh quickly defend himself at the best that he could and I don't want to
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make this sound any less brutal than it truly was this man was badly and savagely attacked by Bruce yeah for some
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reason and we can get into this if you have any thoughts on the matter Captain but after the attack Bruce
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the attacker to be clear Bruce went to Police Headquarters almost immediately afterward reporting that he had hurt
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someone the incident had traumatized the victim he he his injuries required that he'd go
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to the hospital and he received stitches for his injuries okay so let's go back to this whole idea that they're in his
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apartment to show a Halloween costume to Bruce Bruce pulls out a lead pipe we don't think that
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there was any argument that we know of and Bruce attacks this man there was no argument this was a sneak attack right
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and then Bruce goes to law enforcement and says hey I just attacked somebody yeah
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all right interesting and so then what does law enforcement do well this thing's going to go to court and Bruce
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actually gets a chance to speak to the judge on the matter in which MacArthur said he did not know why he attacked the
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victim he he also said that he just wanted let me tell you why why because use a piece of [ __ ] who does that uh yeah I
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don't know I don't know why I attacked him how about you start with why did you have a lead pipe
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yeah you know okay keep going well that that's the thing you don't just happen to have a lead pipe right you have you
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you brought that with you to the man's apartment anyway MacArthur told the court that he just wanted to apologize
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to the court for what had happened that his life had been kind of a mess in the last year and a half leading up to this
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and knowing what's going to happen and what's happened to him uh was just a mess he continued he also said that he
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would like to apologize to the victim I stating I wouldn't know what to say other than I'm sorry for all the pain
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and anger I have caused him so the crown and the defense put forward a joint submission on sentencing and
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which Bruce MacArthur would spend spend one year under house arrest followed by a curfew for six months and then three
00:34:47
years probation that's just not enough well hang on MacArthur was also barred from a specific area that included
00:34:55
Toronto's gay village where the crown indicated that MacArthur could come into contact with male sex workers the
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Crown's words end quote from my perspective it's in the best interest to keep him meaning Bruce MacArthur out of
00:35:10
the area where he's more likely than not to come into be enticed by male prostitutes another condition of
00:35:19
MacArthur's sentence included MacArthur being prohibited from taking illicit drugs specifically mentioned were
00:35:25
poppers and this information was taken from an article in the star where they go on to mention that poppers are are a
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chemical compound which can be inhaled prior to sex and is a popular drug now he was also ordered to seek
00:35:43
counseling for mental health issues particularly for Anger Management MacArthur was prohibited from having any
00:35:50
firearms for at least 10 years and because assault causing bodily harm is what is called a primary designated
00:35:59
offense the judge was required to make a DNA order now the DNA order allowed a bodily substance samples to be taken
00:36:09
from the offender this is Bruce McArthur typically through a mouth swab to be added to a database this just seems like
00:36:17
a pretty light sentence to me for taking a lead pipe and attacking somebody and I
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think because this individual was a sex worker or they assume is a sex worker thought to be yeah that um
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that the sentence is lighter because of it well okay so you're exactly right captain and um the thing here is what I
00:36:40
the way that I think this went down and what what you see within this sentence to me is a lot of
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um precautionary strategies being taken against this man yeah but you know what would make the community safer
00:36:56
putting this guy behind bars but I think here's where the problem with that lies
00:37:02
with the court system okay so one you have an offender who turned himself in immediately after the attack
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so the court is going to look at that in a different way than if they would have
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had to Manhunt this guy and track him down and arrest him and so not only did he turn himself in
00:37:20
but he's also pleading guilty the problem that you also have here and this is a suspicion of mine I can't say this
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with 100 certainty my guess is that the victim did not care to partake in the court proceedings possibly not yeah and
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well what I do know about the victim is that the victim never filed an impact statement
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so uh I'm guessing that the victim probably had very little to do with the actual Prosecuting of Bruce McArthur
00:37:49
right so you the victim is not shouting throw him in jail then well here's the thing you you have two
00:37:57
things going on you have a you have a trial where you have the offender who's saying look I did this I'm guilty and I
00:38:05
turned myself in and then you have the what we would call the states case here in the in the United States the state's
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case would be we don't have a victim to present to you to say this is what happened right so that's why I think
00:38:18
this is the sentence seems a little light however what I wonder about and and what I kind of applaud the judge in
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the court system here for doing is that I see a lot of precautionary attempts here at at hey we believe this guy could
00:38:34
be pretty violent we don't understand what went down we don't have a victim to speak with he doesn't really understand
00:38:40
it right or at least what he's claiming is he doesn't understand why he attacked
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maybe we just need to make sure that a his DNA is in the system because that's a huge deterrent and I don't care what
00:38:51
anybody says out there I will argue that until the the until the cows come home where were the cows but anyway I will
00:38:58
argue that until the cows come home and then B this man can't hold any firearms for at least 10 years we want him to go
00:39:05
to anger management classes so there's a lot of precautionary things going on here also we don't want him to be in an
00:39:11
area or around people that we identify that would fall into play with his victim
00:39:17
you know that line up with his victim yeah that's the scary thing about this though hey we want you to stay out of
00:39:22
this area I mean to me that's basically stating to the community that this guy is
00:39:30
um as a Potential Threat down the line yeah he's either somebody that just needs a little bit of help or is a
00:39:36
threatening individual now that we know a little bit more about Bruce MacArthur let's fill in some of our timeline here
00:39:42
so it was late June 2017 when Andrew Kinsman was last seen and then reported missing it was August of that same year
00:39:52
when project prism was formed now in September of 2017 this is this is interesting here this is when police
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identify Bruce MacArthur whom we just discussed as a person of possible interest in the connection uh with
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Andrew kinsman's disappearance right now this is not announced at this time to the public this is simply just a part of
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their investigation then in October of 2017 police begin to follow Bruce McArthur that's right he is
00:40:24
put under surveillance good he's being followed and I don't have the details of such but this is what we've seen we've
00:40:32
seen this type of activity from police it's almost certainly Around the Clock surveillance
00:40:38
so what does that mean that means they think this dude is up to something terrible and if we follow him long
00:40:45
enough we might be able to catch him in the act or catch him in the act of breaking some kind of law so we can lock
00:40:53
him up right but we have these individuals in this community that Bruce has been a part of
00:40:59
um and he had a vicious attack against somebody from this community and now I mean
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you know your thoughts have to be on some level when you're looking for these missing men that when you come across
00:41:15
Bruce MacArthur and then you figure out what he did what the crime he did to be in the system
00:41:21
you start you this be kind of a light bulb moment right this could be our guy of course well in December this is
00:41:30
December 5th of 2017 police warn members of Toronto's gay community to be weary of dating apps to stay away from
00:41:40
dating apps and then three days later on the 8th of December this is a bit of a strange move and
00:41:46
we'll get into this more later but the police say that there is no reason to believe that the disappearances in the
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two different task force cases are related meaning The Disappearance in relation to
00:42:00
um project Houston which was three missing men right and then the two missing persons cases in Project prism
00:42:07
they're announcing to the public that there is no reason for anyone to believe that these disappearances are connected
00:42:13
to one another that's interesting but they're saying don't use these dating apps you know that there's some
00:42:20
guy out there right he's on uh what is Silver Daddies [Music] and he gets no likes on his photos right
00:42:29
everybody's swiping him left right and he gets a date and he's excited with a handsome gentleman they're
00:42:38
supposed to go to the gay Village on Friday night but on Thursday night he turns on his radio
00:42:44
right it's on the radio Thursday night and the police are like hey knock it off with these dating apps
00:42:50
don't use them we got people going missing and we think they're connected with possibly dating websites or a
00:42:56
dating app what do you do you go on the date or did you risk it no here's what you do
00:43:06
I'll tell you what you do okay you postpone the date for at least a week maybe a week and a half and during the
00:43:13
meantime you stalk this gentleman online find out everything you can about him bring some pepper spray now in all
00:43:20
seriousness um me I'm a gut feeling guy and and throughout my life I've gotten some gut feelings that just tell me not
00:43:26
to do something for no reason at all right I follow that gut I don't do it now anybody that chooses to use dating
00:43:33
apps or you know more power to you there's nothing wrong with it there's a lot of good people meeting other good
00:43:38
people that way tell somebody where you're going bring a friend along for the first encounter there are many
00:43:44
different things that you can do go to a place where you know a lot of other people you know hey you want you want to
00:43:51
go here and hang out where I know other people uh my friends will text me and say I think it happened Saturday hey I'm
00:43:57
gonna meet this guy at whatever time right uh I'm a horrible person because I start making CR killer jokes oh there
00:44:06
you go that that always makes everybody feel happy so anyway in December we have
00:44:10
the police warning people not to use these dating apps we also have P the police saying that the discip
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appearances between the two projects while they might be connected within each other they're not connected to the
00:44:23
other and then this happened [Music] this morning at approximately 10 25 A.M police arrested 66 year old Bruce
00:44:40
McArthur of the city of Toronto he is self-employed as a landscaper using the company name artistic design
00:44:49
and he lives in the thorncliff Park area he has been charged with two counts of first degree murder in relation to Mr
00:44:58
Kinsman and Mr Essen we believe he is responsible for for the deaths of Mr Essen and Mr Kinsman
00:45:05
and when we believe he's responsible for the deaths of other men who have yet to
00:45:10
be identified in other words we believe there are other victims as of right now interviews are taking
00:45:19
place and police have secured five properties four in Toronto and one in madok connected to Bruce McArthur in an effort
00:45:28
to further investigate these occurrences we have not yet found the bodies uh we're actively looking for them uh
00:45:36
we're conducting these search warrants in efforts to locate the bodies but at this point in time no we have not
00:45:41
located them I'm well aware of the difficulty of Prosecuting people without recovering the bodies but in this case
00:45:46
we believe we have strong enough evidence where we can do exactly that foreign so now we're saying or law enforcement
00:45:58
is saying we think at least these two um the two victims that are connected with on Project prism are connected so
00:46:07
the way that this is being reported at this time is that on January 17 2018 investigators searched several
00:46:15
properties all linked to Bruce McArthur including his residence and a property where he was known to store supplies
00:46:23
evidence at either one or both of these locations is found that seems to be good
00:46:28
enough to tie Bruce McArthur uh to the deaths of Kinsmen and ascend now at this time at the time of the arrest as you
00:46:41
heard on January 18 2018 they have no bodies yet uh but regardless MacArthur is arrested
00:46:49
and charged with two counts of first-degree murder now a little more clarity on the subject
00:46:54
because one question that I find presented often it seems this to be a big one is how and when did this guy get
00:47:03
on the police's radar right right because here we have them saying he's linked to two cases via the charges we
00:47:09
just discussed but there is certainly a much longer relationship between Bruce and a man that disappeared Bruce
00:47:16
employed scanda and uh they had a romantic relationship so when and why did Bruce appear on the
00:47:25
police's Radar Now Toronto police have not said exactly how long Bruce MacArthur had been on their radar they
00:47:32
have said that the charges were laid out after months of probing now according to
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information told to the local media by employees at a place called Dom's Auto Parts shop
00:47:45
well a source says investigators had been on to Bruce MacArthur since at least the fall of 2017. in fact the
00:47:54
owner of the shop said police officers arrived in late September this was because they there were suspicious about
00:48:01
a vehicle they asked for and began watching surveillance video of Bruce MacArthur
00:48:07
selling his Dodge Caravan to the shop after studying the tape the police then seized the old rusted maroon Dodge
00:48:16
Caravan sold by MacArthur and they had it towed away there's always a creeper van now my guess is there must have been
00:48:23
something in that van because then they start that's when they start to follow Bruce MacArthur around
00:48:30
and then listen to this new story and listen close because there's a lot in there
00:48:38
oh I'm Adrienne Gabriel we're live outside of alleged serial killer Bruce McArthur's Apartments tonight in East
00:48:49
Toronto now the tonight a police Source confirms with us that back on January 18th they watched a young man walk into
00:48:56
the 19th floor of MacArthur's apartment that is when officers moved in rushing the apartment kicking down the door
00:49:04
inside they found that young man handcuffed to the alleged serial Killer's bed now our police Source says
00:49:11
that young man made it out safe though tonight we're learning more about another man whose fate is still unclear
00:49:18
he was just a lovely person and he's going to be missed investigators believe 47-year-old Dean lisowick was killed
00:49:25
sometime between May 2016 and July 2017. no one ever reported him missing however
00:49:31
Lisa Wick was a regular at the Scott mission in Toronto for more than a decade staff told me the last time he
00:49:38
was there was in April of 2016. I spoke with a long time worker at the mission today who knew lisawick and shared her
00:49:45
colleagues memories of him a memory of a man they say is important to share he would often give to clients out of his
00:49:53
own so if he realizes somebody needed shelter he would put him upon himself that person needs it more than me and he
00:49:59
would give up his bed and very generous out of just whatever he had whether it was change or an item of clothing he
00:50:05
would often be known just to pass that on to other clients or residents MacArthur is charged with the murder of
00:50:11
five men Andrew Kinsman Saleem Essen Majid Kahan saroosh Mash Moody and Dean lisowick you yesterday we told you that
00:50:19
police have Unearthed the dismembered remains of at least three unidentified individuals from multiple large Planters
00:50:26
from some of the 30 properties they're sifting through on January 21st City News captured
00:50:34
police removing this large heavy planter from the property of Ron Smith and Karen
00:50:39
Frazier today I spoke on the phone with Smith he says police have been very professional while conducting their
00:50:45
investigation on the couple's Lee side property and his heart goes out to the victims and their families though being
00:50:51
removed from their homes with no return date in sight has been difficult what an upheaval you have to get out of
00:50:58
your house you have to get out now this is serious and bye bye so we grabbed a couple of things left and it's been a
00:51:06
shambles ever since there's an alternate reality you're waking up we we're now on
00:51:11
our second group of friends who've been good enough to be able to keep us um we aren't that far away so what we do
00:51:17
is every now and then we drive by just to check in to see what it looks like and it really is
00:51:23
very surreal now Smith adds that MacArthur worked on his property for about 10 years he'd do
00:51:31
some free work there in turn they let MacArthur store some of his equipment on their Lee's side property in the garage
00:51:36
at their home now tonight the folks over at Scott Mission also confirm with me that police came and interviewed them
00:51:43
just before we went in there today they were asking if anyone else who uses the mission may have ties to Bruce McArthur
00:51:50
tonight the investigation still continues it's a story we'll be keeping a close eye on in the days to come
00:51:55
foreign [Music] so just to be clear what they stated that they were following Bruce they were
00:52:09
running surveillance on him a male goes into his apartment they decide to go into the apartment
00:52:18
make arrests I think they were worried what would happen to this individual when they get in there this individual
00:52:25
is handcuffed yes and that's a whole nother big ball of yarn that we're going to have to unravel on tomorrow's show
00:52:32
much more to get to in this case we'll talk about that tomorrow we'll see you in the garage until then be good be kind
00:52:39
and don't litter thank you [Music]