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true crime [Music] thank you [Music] back in June of 1979 Kimberly niece borrowed her father's pickup truck to go
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to town on a Friday night she was seen cruising the dragon Poplar Montana several hours before her body was
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discovered in episode 1 we went through in detail the tragic and brutal murder of a promising young woman and the
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bungled crime scene investigation that followed but then police almost out of nowhere
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get someone who confesses to killing Kimberly nice this is three and a half years after the
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murder and what is even more strange the confession comes from all the way down in Monroe Louisiana
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in January of 1983 our old pal Berry Beach he's down there at the police station in
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Monroe Louisiana he was originally brought in for some kind of minor offense but the result is he confesses to
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killing Kimberly niece plus three other people [Music] during the three and a half years
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between when Kimberly was killed and Barry was arrested Barry Beach was bouncing back and forth between Montana
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and Louisiana while down there his father's wife so his stepmother calls in a complaint to
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the law enforcement agency down there she says Barry was assisting his stepsister and her friends in running
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away from home and possibly skipping school so he's picked up for contributing to
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the delinquency of a minor during this time period though the main concern of the police down
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there is a Serial murderer who is on the loose and killing women in the area two women and a girl were killed and
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they had just put together a task force to hunt down this killer now we got to keep in mind what is going
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on in the world at this very moment remember up the road from Louisiana from 1979 to 1981
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Wayne Williams was killing kids in Atlanta Georgia he's convicted of two suspected of maybe
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25 and well I believe Wayne Williams killed 15 or 16 of those people in my humble
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garage opinion now these three murders in Louisiana started up in August of 1980 and there's
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another murder in April of 81 and then again in February of 1982. Wayne Williams was on trial in Georgia
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at this time at the time of the third murder police formed a task force and the phrase another Atlanta became common
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discussion around town police announced that the murders were connected but were tight-lipped
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otherwise after the third murder even police and detectives were now saying publicly I
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think we may have another Atlanta on our hands so Captain police likely are telling
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Beach's stepmother look lady we'll write this guy a ticket and move on because we have a serial
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killer here and we've got bigger fish to fry and beat your stepmother because she is
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just such a nice and helpful person tells police well that's interesting because Barry
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was questioned a couple of times about a murder of a 17 year old girl back in his hometown before he moved
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here no I mean look he did come home covered in blood the night a girl was murdered in his very small town can we
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agree it's a questionable statement we have an officer who says he took a statement from a woman who says my
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teenage son was covered in blood yet there's no record of that statement anywhere other than
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this guy's this guy saying he took that statement and the mother's saying I never gave that statement right so it's
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a little it's a little dicey on if it were if it's true or not but but yeah I hear you out I hear you
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so now police are like oh right this guy he's questioned back in his tiny little
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town of Poplar and then he moves here and now all of a sudden we've got three murdered females and we know he's a real
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son of a beach shout out to Howard Stern there and it turns out one of the women murdered in
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Louisiana well there's some connection between her and Barry they knew each other
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the Sheriff's Office contacted the Roosevelt County Sheriff's Office back in Montana and confirmed that beach was
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in fact a bona fide suspect in that unsolved murder the unsolved murder of Kimberly niece
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with Roosevelt County's blessing the sheriff's office down in Louisiana we have Sergeant Jay Vaya and Commander
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Alfred and Commander Alfred Calhoun they questioned beach at the Sheriff's Office
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several different times for several hours each time Beach initially denied killing nice and
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he denied any involvement in the three Louisiana murders as well I really don't like when they're
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questioning for lengthy periods I think we've seen that time and time again go go wrong
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yeah and but what we're going to end up getting is a confession on several different levels here as said
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he will eventually confess to killing the three Louisiana victims and confess to killing Kimberly niece as well
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I want to just focus on the portion of the Kimberly nice case before things I don't want things to get too convoluted
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right we got to be able to to to walk through this and follow it as clear as possible
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Barry Beach's confession to the killing of Kimberly niece basically goes like this
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he was partying with his two friends in a place called Sandy Beach on the afternoon of June 15 1979.
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this is when Beach said he got his car stuck in the sand then he ruined his transmission trying to get it out
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and a fit of anger he yells at his friends he ends up punching the vehicle and about at about 4 30 p.m he left his
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friends and walked back to town there he asked a couple of friends to drive him home the first people that he
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asked well they turned him down the second card that he asked they actually drove him home
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once he got home he says that he took a nap and didn't wake up until sometime after it was already dark
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when he did wake up he got dressed and he walked into town and he says that he saw Kim sitting alone in her truck at
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the Exxon gas station Barry Beach asked Kim if she knew where her sister Pam was remember he was kind
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of dating Pam at the time she says I I don't know what answer she she gives to this question it's not
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clear in the statements that he provided to police but the result is he ends up asking Kim if he could ride with her
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right around town and hang out with her [Music] he says that she agreed to this so they
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drove around aimlessly around the tiny little town of Poplar for a while before parking at the train
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bridge and this is where Kim's vehicle the truck would later be found Kim and Barry sat in her truck according
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to Barry talking for some time talking about the normal kid crap right talking about high school
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Kim going off to college after the summer Pam and Barry's relationship and Kim and Greg's relationship normal stuff
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eventually after some beers they smoke a joint and continue talking Barry steers the conversation away from
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Pam and him to maybe something with Kim and him Kim doesn't seem to like this idea Barry
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tells her he wants to have sex with her she turns him down he tries to touch her she pushes him
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away he tries to kiss her she pushes him away and tells him to get out of the truck
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Barry calms her down and offers to smoke some more weed with her he says in his confession he thought if
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she got a little messed up she might change her mind yeah after joint number two
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Barry is going to give it another shot and of course he shot down and this time Kim is having no more of his Shenanigans
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no more of his rude aggressive behavior and as he tries to touch her again he this this again after she has refused
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all of his advances she smacks him Barry says he smacks her back the detective inquires further
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did you smack her with your hand or your fist Barry says with his fist so he describes this as if maybe one
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could believe it's some kind of I don't know maybe some kind of fight or even if just briefly some kind of fight
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and we know that he certainly is going to have the upper hand here he's using his fist and then he does this weird
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thing of still making these advances to her at some point he says he saw a crescent
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wrench on the floorboard inside the truck he picks it up he hits Kim several times
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with it Kim tries to escape out the driver's side right so you're you're saying that he's claiming
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I I try to make these Advanced men's uh towards her she didn't respond then I try to get her more drunk and
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high maybe than she would respond to my advances she didn't uh then she physically attacked me so then I
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attacked her but then he continued to make advances after he's young punched her this is according to
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the confession that that uh that has had in this case he says that he saw that crescent wrench
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on the floorboard inside the truck he picked it up and hit Kim several times with it
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he said that she tried to escape out the driver's side of the vehicle Barry got out he runs around to her and he pins
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her up against the side of the truck he says he tries to kiss her again and this is when she scratched him well at
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this point he's he's trying to rape her well that's right and and you know I said this weird thing of hey he's
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physically abusing her but then still tries these sexual advances and I I say that that's a weird thing but you got to
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keep in mind that a lot of experts say that rape is more about power and control than the actual intercourse
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itself Barry keeps going back to trying to kiss her because in his pee brain he believes at some point she may comply he
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hits her to get what he wants this makes him feel powerful she does what he wants
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even if forced to do so this gives him a sense of control and in turn again having control or being in control this
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makes him this makes his weak-minded attack feel like like he's some kind of powerful man
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says at some point he did choke Kim this seems to be rather brief because he then grabs a tire iron from the bed of
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the truck and he started beating her in the head with it and eventually she stops moving so we have an attack with
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the crescent wrench his fist it started inside the truck no no no and then we have this tire iron
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that would been used outside of the truck yeah after she stops moving he realized that
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he killed her he says that he started to panic he decided that he needed to get rid of the evidence he found a large
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garbage bag in the truck and tried to put Kim in this garbage bag she only partially fit in the bag
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so he dragged her over to the river and pushed her in he then took the keys from the truck the
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crescent wrench and the tire iron and tossed them into the river as well he says he used his shirt to try to wipe
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off fingerprints in and around the truck Barry then his goal was to go home to run home but he's covered in blood
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so he says that he stripped down to his underwear wiped the blood off his body as best as he could
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he burns his clothes in a railroad car that it's parked on the tracks he ran the rest of the way home washed
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the remaining blood off and then he goes to sleep the whole time trying to convince himself that none of
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this really happened well but so we we can also assume that maybe that his mother seeing him covered
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in blood actually did happen or are we just thinking that that still I don't know rumor I don't know what to
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think I wish that there was some actual report of that statement that the officer says that
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that he got from his mother is that the end of his confession that's basically the end of his
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confession yes he I mean the thing that I find interesting here is it matches up pretty nice with the
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evidence and it matches up pretty nice with the things and the items at the crime scene
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well the crescent wrench but it's such a small town that you would think that he would have known possibly about
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that tire iron something you find on a vehicle so you know it's not that far-fetched for
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somebody to come up with that that idea well that's what's going to be at the Crux of this whole argument
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and at the center of this whole case against Mr Barry Beach because the people against Barry Beach
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will say look how much of the confession lines up with what we know went down that night we know she was at the Exxon
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gas station he says he saw her there and that's where he got in the truck we know
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that the truck was found at the train bridge we know that she was dragged from the truck we know that she was beaten
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with at least two items we know that the attack started or or took place inside the truck as well as
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outside of the truck and he doesn't say that he rapes her and there's no there's no evidence of rape
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so there's a lot of things that are in his story that did in fact take place during the commission of this homicide
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so this confession looks really good but as you just pointed out very astutely I
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might point I might uh add is small town it's three and a half years later there are certain details of this
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homicide that probably were rumored about town putting the paper uh I know that the uh
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she wasn't raped was put in the paper I I read the article myself that says that
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but but what's interesting though to me is and I keep bringing it it seems like I
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keep bringing up the Pike County murders which at some point we should cover but
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having friends from that area and and it being a case not solved and yes it's a bigger case there's more
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people murdered uh in that you know horrific event but there was tons of speculation and
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tons of rumor that people thought were facts so the fact that nothing in his confession that you told me
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there's not one thing that is wrong right there's nothing that dismisses him right and I guarantee you
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again stuff that we're not privy to okay oh well we know she wasn't raped we know she was dumped in in the water we
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know that her where her truck was found okay great this is information that everybody's going to know in that town
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but what were the other rumors what were the other speculations in that town that
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he conveniently left out or maybe not conveniently maybe it's because this is this is the Killer
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I mean there's not a lot of people in that town especially in that age bracket he's the same age as her and he's
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basically at least with the confession he's putting himself in the general location
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with no alibi yeah he I mean he lives near the somewhat near the the murder scene right
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he also you know we we I failed to mention the fact that he says he threw the murder weapons and the the keys to
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the truck in the river we know that the keys were not found we know that the pathologist says hey look I I believe
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more than one weapon was used but I don't know what weapons though that were used and that's because the murder
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weapons were not found so there's a lot of things that really line up here and he's not just some wacko coming out of
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the woodwork you know coming out of the out of nowhere thin air here he's somebody that was an actual suspect at
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one time years ago shortly after the murder and I wonder if the crescent wrench information was put out there but
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that would be something that he would have access to because he was dating her sister or at least spending time with
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his sister and so is it possible that then he then talked to her afterwards to get more details about
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about the crime well if the family even had any of the details other than what was outside of the paper we know that
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the father said that there was a wrench missing yes he did the uh the sheriff's department
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down there they also managed to get buried as we said to confess to their three unsolved homicides the three
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murders in Louisiana but there's a bit of a problem here for law enforcement down there because even
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though he confessed to those three homicides he couldn't have committed them as there was proof that he was not
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in their state he was not in Louisiana for two maybe even all three of the murders and the police down there
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already said all three were connected so what's going to happen is he's no longer good for these down here even
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though he confessed to him but while down here he confessed to a murder up in Montana so let's ship this guy back to
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Montana to face the music Barry immediately argues that his confessions were coerced he claimed that
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he was threatened he claimed that he was manipulated he claimed that he was drugged
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but even with the bungled crime scene the confession was enough for a jury up in Montana to convict him he was
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sentenced to 100 years with no chance of parole please note the following regarding this
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confession the tape of Barry Beach's confession according to law enforcement in Monroe
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Louisiana had been erased so at his trial he's saying look you can't you can't use my confession to convict me it
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was coerced all that law enforcement can provide all that the prosecution can provide to the
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the jury and the judge is a typed up confession a transcript of the questioning between police and Barry
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Beach I mean you could I could type up something and who knows if it was actually said or not when you lose the
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audio tape Beach maintained that his confession was coerced what do you mean by that well he
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says that when he was down there in Louisiana they kept threatening him with the death penalty with the electric
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chair and he resorted to well maybe if I confess they're talking to me about these my this Montana case
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now maybe if I confess to this they'll ship me back up to Montana I don't want to be in Louisiana I don't want the the
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death penalty or the the electric chair that these guys are telling me that they're going to watch me Fry on for
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these three murders right but I guess he wasn't aware that he had a solid alibi what's that was he not aware that he had
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a solid Alibi well that's what's weird I don't know why he even bothered to confess to the Louisiana cases
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at some point I mean they're they're questioning him and at some point it gets down to
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he he starts to get confused and he's saying like the thing they're talking about God and
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God is telling him that he did it I mean it gets really weird the whole interaction between these two
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interrogators and I I'm choosing to call them interrogators because that's what it seems like at this point
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and Barry Beach and I'm not willing to say he's perfectly innocent of anything here
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Captain I'm just saying the interaction that I read between these three was very
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strange and and it seemed odd now it didn't seem to me though he he's not being denied any of his rights he was
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made well aware of his Miranda rights several times so the officers did that and did that thoroughly and correctly
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but the the whole God conversation gets weird and he admits to these three murders that they end up knowing that he
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did not con you know confess he could not have committed these murders and then to top that off these two same
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officers later got two other at least two other men to confess to these three murders in Louisiana as well
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and it was proved that they did not kill these three women well like you said there it's an interrogation their job is
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to try to get a confession not to try to get the truth right so what I'm I'm pointing out what could be good
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and make make good and point to Barry Beach's confession being real and truthful and he is a killer but I'm also
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pointing out that these two individuals these two officers seem to be skilled at
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getting people to confess to things that we know they did not do so in the mess of all of that did they
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perhaps get Barry Beach to confess to killing Kimberly niece and in fact he did not do it so many people
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question not only the evidence but the prosecutorial conduct during the course of Barry Beach's trial and even after
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the trial the rumors persisted around Poplar Montana that a group of girls were the ones responsible for Kim's
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murder other than the confession Barry gave to the detectives which again he says was coerced
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that was really the only thing that convicted him of the murder of Kim nice at the time prosecution did say that
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they had a hair that matched Barry Beach and we now know all these years later through science that unless that hair
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has DNA on it and you match it to his DNA it's not a 100 match although that's what it was presented as in court
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but none of the fingerprints none of the palm prints none of the other physical evidence at the crime scene could be
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matched to Berry Beach foreign [Music] cheers mates cheers Captain well we have Barry Beach
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sitting in prison he's sentenced to 100 years he says I was wrongfully convicted
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and he requests the help of centurion Ministries who agreed to research his case after their investigators reviewed
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the facts of the case and noticed an absence of physical evidence in this case so there's not physical
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evidence tying Beach to the actual murder right they formally took on the case in 2000
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in doing so they conducted an exhaustive reinvestigation of Barry Beach's conviction Centurion Ministries was
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according to their website the first organization in the world dedicated to the Vindication of wrongly convicted
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persons since 1983 they have freed 63 men and women who were serving life or death sentences for crimes they did not
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commit Centurion believed that the confessions obtained in Louisiana were coerced and that the group of girls
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actually murdered Kim niece one significant witness that Centurion managed to find in their investigation
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was a woman named Stephanie Eagle Boy she told a story that when she was 10 years old she lived near the train
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bridge at this time in Poplar back in 1979 she liked to sit out on a rock overlooking the train bridge with her
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cousin One Night in 1979 they were sitting on this rock when they saw two pickup
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trucks pull onto the train bridge they say that a group of girls got out and they heard about 10 or 20 minutes of
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what they labeled as horrific screaming and girls shouting things like getter and kick the [ __ ]
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then it got quiet they say that they saw I'm sorry I shouldn't say they just Stephanie Eagle boy says that she saw a
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police car arrive and she knows that it's a police car because it had its the police lights on top on so old Eagle Boy
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has an Eagle Eye well the the cop shuts off the lights according to Stephanie's story
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then she heard what she thought was digging noises then the all three vehicles leave and drive off
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okay this is interesting she does Say Hey I was scared I was 10 I was scared of the girls I was scared of police I
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was scared of everybody I didn't tell anybody all the way back then I'm willing to tell people now
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Doyle points out in his book that he does not believe that Stephanie witnessed the Kimberly niece murder
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he says that he does not think that she's lying she just witnessed something else something else you're exactly right
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because he points out a couple of different things one Kim's truck stayed at the scene
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according to the story that Stephanie Eagle Boy whatever she witnessed she says all of the vehicles left after this
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screaming and this attack seemed to go down and the other thing too is that the the doyle points to is that
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Stephanie's cousin has never said at any time stated on any official record that
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she saw anything that Stephanie has described seeing right back in 1979 so again we're not saying that she is
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lying we're just saying it might be just a simple mistake of having witnessed something else at a different time we're
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not saying that she's lying we're just saying she's lying well speak for yourself it's not on purpose I I've seen
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I've seen this uh woman interviewed and I I believe that she saw what she said she saw I just don't think it has
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anything to do I'm I'm on the side of Doyle there I don't think it has anything to do with Kimberly's case
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right now Captain for this next part I'm really going to give the short of it the
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just the facts ma'am somewhat the wiki version of all of the legal stuff here because there's a lot of it and I want
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to make sure that we save some time to get back to those cases in Louis Louisiana because they are important to
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this story so late in 2011 a judge issued a ruling that there was clear and convincing
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evidence that a jury could find Barry Beach innocent so he was granted a new trial as a result of this Barry Beach
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was released from prison I want to point out this is after years and years of of
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legal things back and forth so he's released from prison after nearly three decades Behind Bars Barry was free
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to go out do his thing this is pending a new trial Barry found employment working
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as the head of Maintenance at a hotel but a year and a half later in May of 2013 the Montana Supreme Court
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reinstated the murder conviction this overturning the latest ruling and so Barry was not going to get a new trial
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and in fact he was ordered to resume his life sentence immediately I keep saying life sentence it was
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technically not a life sentence he was sentenced to 100 years in prison right right that same day Barry surrendered
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himself to the authority so now out of prison back in prison in October yeah in October of 2014
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beaches attorneys asked Montana's Supreme Court to order that beach be re-sentenced okay this is important the
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Supreme Court asked the state to respond to his attorney's claim that Beach's 100-year sentence is illegal because the
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trial court did not consider that Beech was a minor at the time of nice's killing and because it leaves no
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opportunity for release all right the way that this breaks down is if you were to Res the the not
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receiving a life sentence sucks for Barry Beach because the life sentence actually carries different weight than
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the 100 Year sentence the 100 Year sentence with good behavior gets Barry Beach out at the earliest after 52 and a
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half years of serving time he was in his 20s at the time he would have been nearly 75 80 years old
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by the time he would get out per absolute perfect good good record while in prison good behavior that's the
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earliest he could get out he could potentially get out slightly earlier under the rules of a life sentence but
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then on top of that they're saying the shortly after he was convicted he was actually 17 when the murder took place
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he was a child and Montana did not allow for juveniles to receive life sentences
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so he should not have been sentenced to that lengthy of a sentence it's a whole long legal
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thing here argument back and forth and beaches attorneys simply pointing out that he was a teenager at the time
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and there was legal precedent that says teens should not be handed that life sentence the Montana Attorney General's
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office says this precedent does not extend to murder cases so on November 20th of 2015
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again after a whole lot of back and forth Montana Governor Steve Bullock commuted the sentence to time served
00:36:26
plus 10 years probation so as of less than five years ago Barry Beach is out of prison and he's
00:36:36
still serving probation he's he's served quite a bit of time for this murder now the question then becomes
00:36:45
do you think he did it or he didn't do it yeah it's very strange especially with the because we have evidence or we
00:36:53
assume it's correct evidence that he confessed to three murders that he didn't do right
00:37:01
so it's not a big stretch to go well maybe he confessed to this fourth one as well and he didn't do it but then you go
00:37:07
back to the problem of he got an awful lot of things awful a lot of things right in his confession yeah
00:37:15
and he has a connection to her I think that's the that's another big thing they were the same age they went to
00:37:23
school together they knew each other uh well not even just that I mean he dated her sister dated the sister and they
00:37:29
they were known to be quite close when they were little kids as well I do want to point out some things that
00:37:35
I think is wrong with Centurion Ministries case because I I don't really know what they
00:37:43
were basing this off of I I agree with them on the statement hey your what you said about this hair matching Berry
00:37:49
beach at the time of his trial that's completely that's a farce that's completely incorrect you cannot say that
00:37:56
it 100 matched him we know that nowadays without DNA connecting it to him it's not a 100 match so that was that's
00:38:04
questionable Behavior Matt right but it matches on some level it he cannot be excluded right as the providing the
00:38:14
sample of that hair at the crime scene however you're talking about hundreds and hundreds of other people if
00:38:21
not thousands of people couldn't be excluded from having left that at the crime scene as well
00:38:27
the other thing though too is let's talk about some of the leaps that I believe that they presented or or were
00:38:35
attempting to present in their their defense of Mr Barry Beach one was that the statement in it they
00:38:43
want to tear apart his confession right they want to say well his confession can't be correct because of this thing
00:38:50
and this thing that he stated the first being that Kim would not have gave Barry Beach a ride they were in
00:38:58
different social classes that's their statements I find that to be that makes my head spin I go what do
00:39:04
you mean different social classes they lived in the same neighborhood this is a town of less than 900 people they went
00:39:10
to the same school they were the same age he dated her sister yeah it makes no sense even even if it's
00:39:18
different classes it's the fact that he was dating or had some kind of relationship with her sister that she
00:39:24
would have helped him out I think what's more interesting to point to that that person portion of his confession might
00:39:31
be false is that no one ever says that they saw Barry beach with Kim nice we have witnesses say hey I saw her parked
00:39:40
alone I saw her sitting by herself multiple Witnesses but nobody at any time ever saying they saw Barry beach
00:39:46
with Kim but nobody saw her down uh where her car was found parked by herself yeah you're right the only
00:39:54
person saying that they saw her down there is Barry Beach right and that's we that's where we know our car ended up
00:40:00
but also we also have eyewitnesses that say we saw her at the gas station by herself
00:40:06
and then we have Barry Beach saying yep and that's when I came upon her that's for for a ride the other thing
00:40:14
they point out to Captain is that they in his confession he states that Kim scratched her him
00:40:21
during the attack [Music] and it's too bad she didn't rip off his dick you know that would just make the
00:40:29
story a little bit better Centurion Ministry says that this cannot be true because there there was no skin found
00:40:37
under her fingernails at the autopsy okay that is a true statement where I have a problem with it is I reviewed the
00:40:48
entire 22-page autopsy it doesn't mention her fingernails once in the entire autopsy right so it may it's yes
00:40:57
it's true that no finger no skin was found under her fingernails at the autopsy but we don't even know that they were
00:41:07
examined or checked for skin right and how long was she actually in the water for
00:41:12
and yeah would that have an effect on removing any of that evidence again I'm just I'm just saying that's it's an
00:41:20
exaggeration right so we have that part right Captain I mean you can't say there
00:41:26
was no skin found under the fingernails they're not saying in the autopsy report
00:41:31
We examined the fingernails and there was no skin found it's it's not stated anywhere in the report anything about
00:41:39
fingernails well maybe I think what the defense is trying to say is since it wasn't stated then obviously they didn't
00:41:45
find anything and that's just not the case that's correct so then we also have a couple of other
00:41:52
possibilities look I I'm not willing to remove Barry Beach as a likely suspect in this case I think he still even
00:42:03
though he's out and they've determined that it's time served that's a key thing here too time served
00:42:12
they're not saying that he's innocent either they're just saying he's if he did the crime well he's done the time
00:42:19
and now he's out I think he looks just as good as anybody else but we also have other people to
00:42:25
consider right if he didn't do it as he says and as Centurion Ministry says then
00:42:32
somebody else had to have killed Kimberly niece we have this ongoing Rumor for many many years for decades
00:42:40
now that a group of girls killed Kim niece that night we have a statement that was given to
00:42:48
the Sheriff's Office this is three weeks after the murder a guy named Mike this is this comes from a um
00:42:55
an individual that says a guy named Mike told him several people beat Kim to death and there were several witnesses
00:43:03
and no one helped her when asked who was doing the beating he said it was [ __ ] Atkinson and Tara Red
00:43:12
Dog or something now we know [ __ ] Atkinson she is in this story she's referenced many times
00:43:20
the only mention I ever saw of this Tara red dog is in this young man's statement
00:43:26
to the sheriff's department but he follows that up with or something so it sounds like he's not clear on the second
00:43:33
individual's name Mike longtree said that red dog held Kim down while [ __ ] beat her with a hammer or some other
00:43:43
object Kim's Hair was caked in blood she begged for help before she fell and passed out and then people started to
00:43:51
leave the area leave the scene we know that a claw hammer was found in the river 30 feet from the Body Found by
00:43:59
scuba scuba diver during evidence search yeah it was found by Scuba Steve but the
00:44:06
pathologist says that that was not the instrument that killed Kim I do want to point out though that Captain there's
00:44:13
been a long list or a long roster of names when it comes to the quote-unquote group of girls involved in the murder of
00:44:23
Kim niece well I've seen probably six or seven different names the ones that are
00:44:29
mostly tied to it is the [ __ ] Atkinson mod greyhawk and Joanne Todd um yeah but that that story doesn't
00:44:39
account for that there's an attack in the vehicle and out of the vehicle right what's that the way that that
00:44:47
count of the story went so this young man is not claiming to have witnessed the murder he's just
00:44:54
saying that he's heard he heard about it he's he's citing by name an individual that told him what that person witnessed
00:45:02
that night again that we have the rumor and and normally when there's more people than one involved
00:45:09
you'll get people talking about it people can't be quiet about it and the other thing too is I don't know that you
00:45:16
can completely rule out the boyfriend at the time I mean there's really a whole long list of
00:45:24
suspects that that I don't think you can clear and a lot of that is based off of
00:45:29
you just don't have very good physical evidence yeah we do we do have I thought I
00:45:35
thought this was weird when I was uh going through the police reports there was a report from a person named Johnny
00:45:42
mccallymy and he says that on the night that Kim niece was murdered he witnessed a pickup truck
00:45:53
pull up at the norgaard house between 335 and 3 45 am okay in his report in his statement to the
00:46:05
Sheriff's Office he says that he knows that it was either 335 or 3 45 AM because immediately after he witnessed
00:46:13
this truck pull up at the norgaard house he looked at two clocks inside of his house one said 335 once at 3 45.
00:46:23
he said that the pickup he described the pickup as having loud mufflers in a bar
00:46:29
or a rack on the back I find this to be interesting it doesn't necessarily mean anything it could just
00:46:36
be a coincidence but I find it interesting that we have all of this activity going on with all these
00:46:42
teenagers Greg is the closest one to our murder victim and he says that he gets home between 2 45 and 3 A.M
00:46:52
what is this vehicle pulling up at 335 3 45 A.M where I'm getting at and what I'm
00:46:59
where I'm going at with this is this whole story this this rumor that's lasted for decades about a group of
00:47:05
girls well that's not what the statement was that was given to the the Sheriff's
00:47:09
Office the Sheriff's Office statement that they received from that that young man the the witnesses said he was told
00:47:15
by Mike longtree that Mike longtree witnessed the murder was the a group of people were there
00:47:22
this could include guys and other dudes that it didn't have to just be girls the
00:47:28
way that it sounds that it went down is it might be a couple of girls that were responsible for the actual murder but
00:47:34
there were plenty of witnesses there and this being both you know young young women girls guys
00:47:43
what have you it is possible that they might not even have known that they actually killed her
00:47:48
I think I think the the more troubling thing and then where I question this rumor
00:47:56
is I don't know why I just find it somewhat hard to believe if the more people that you put at that
00:48:05
scene the more people that you that that you have that claim to have witnessed something or
00:48:11
know or have heard something none of these people ever came forward when they are convicting the wrong guy for the
00:48:17
murder yeah but again that's I think those are little details not being privy to because you're not from the area you
00:48:24
don't know what kind of relationship that uh you know Mr Beech had with anybody and and and what kind of uh you know
00:48:33
individual he was and it could be as sick as you know these um girls attacker for whatever reason jealousy or
00:48:45
maybe she's flirting with their the claim is that they that one of them at least one of them was jealous probably
00:48:52
several of them but it seems like there may have been something going on or something
00:48:59
suspected of going on between [ __ ] Atkinson I believe or one of these other young young women again it's a long
00:49:11
ever-changing fluid roster right but it's not that far-fetched we already know that she was hanging out with a guy
00:49:17
the night before until four o'clock in the morning right and the Rumor was that that she was hanging out with the not
00:49:26
only the boyfriend of one of these girls but the the father of their child but what I'm saying is if that went down
00:49:36
and then These Guys these detectives and a whole nother part of the country that
00:49:43
are pretty good at getting people to convert Fest to crimes gets this guy to confess
00:49:49
um that's like good for you why would you come forward and and the group doesn't
00:49:55
have to be that large two or three girls two or three guys yeah I know I mean I I
00:50:01
don't I don't know that I'm just I it just if that is in fact the truth it makes me incredibly it makes me equally
00:50:10
as disappointed as I am with the the false confession it's just weird because I think the confession
00:50:19
there's too many details that make sense and there and I also think normally when you have a confession
00:50:27
that's false that you have moments of distancing yourself from certain things and and he's like keeps reiterating like
00:50:37
yeah I attacked her and then I like try to kiss her again and then I hit her and then I tried to
00:50:43
kiss her again like it's almost like he didn't even have the concept of how crazy of a person that makes him
00:50:50
sound well and that's where the audio tape that magically disappeared or was taped
00:50:57
over or erased would have been very helpful for the defense right it was a race because of the tactics they use but
00:51:05
that doesn't mean that the confession is false just you know if you if you tell somebody hey if you lie to me I'm going
00:51:13
to chop off your fingers you're not supposed to do that but if you do that and the person confesses and it's
00:51:18
truthful am I making any sense there no you're making sense it absolutely could still
00:51:24
be a truthful confession what I mean is would you have ever got a conviction to to begin with right because we have
00:51:32
nothing to to go off of on that confession and and how look we can sit here all day long go yeah he got a whole
00:51:40
bunch of stuff right in the confession well he you know he got a million times more things right than Jesse Miss Kelly
00:51:46
got in his confession that was put pieced together but we also don't know that maybe these investigators maybe
00:51:53
these interrogators received detailed information about the murder scene about the crime itself from investigators back
00:52:02
in Montana and they helped bury piece it together and really helped him hang himself with with hit quote unquote his
00:52:12
words and all we have is a piece of paper that's typed out by God knows who to tell us this is what Barry said that
00:52:19
day when he was being questioned it would be nice to have that audio tape to hear were they starting and stopping
00:52:25
that tape was Barry getting things wrong and then they were manipulating his answers or telling him that he got it
00:52:31
wrong no try again Barry think harder this time Barry it wasn't it wasn't a CR it wasn't a a hammer that you used
00:52:39
wasn't there something else that you saw in that truck Barry we've seen this go down we've seen this movie a million
00:52:45
times it I I do question the validity of the the confession and let's go back to
00:52:53
to Louisiana because what we have here is three guys Barry included that confess to killing
00:53:01
these three persons we have we also have a police department that's down there that's kind of freaking out
00:53:07
at the moment they're even publicly stating hey we think we have another Atlanta on our hands here we have
00:53:13
somebody in our community killing our citizens and we don't know who it is but we do know that it's connected now what
00:53:20
was interesting about this case was at the time they said these are connected but they were very tight-lipped about
00:53:28
the details which I found to be very interesting because I question that I'm like were they just kind of panicking
00:53:34
and these weren't actually connected but what happened was I'll go through the actual briefly through through the
00:53:42
murders because they released very little about it at the time the first one was in
00:53:47
August of 1980 it was 27 year old victim her name was Angie Hill she was found in southern Monroe in an
00:53:57
industrial park shot in the head her car was abandoned they know that a 22 caliber pistol was used they believed
00:54:05
that a possible robbery from a from a convenience store where she worked took place as well a robbery for six hundred
00:54:12
dollars and her car was found seven miles away from her body then in April of 81 Kathy
00:54:20
Wharton who went by Gene she was found she was 19 years old found April 4th off of
00:54:28
Maguire Ranch Road and it's the same situation Captain where her body is found five miles away
00:54:36
from her vehicle she too was shot with the 22 caliber pistol and then in February of 82 we have sherry Alford
00:54:43
who's only 16 years old she's attacked in a very similar attack now what we learn how do we know that these are
00:54:51
connected well police released all these years later in 2007 that the mo was the exact same and
00:54:59
what had happened in all three of these cases is they could determine that by the the vehicles that these young women
00:55:09
were driving right somebody had bumped them from behind on the road and then ran them off of the
00:55:16
road and once the victim got out of the vehicle or was forced out of the vehicle
00:55:21
then they were sexually assaulted and killed the bodies dumped away from the vehicle
00:55:28
or the vehicle moved away from the body what have you I point all of this out because these
00:55:35
cases end up getting closed or at least one of them and police saying that hey these three are connected because in
00:55:41
2007 they connected DNA from the second murder from Kathy Wharton's murder to this guy Anthony Glenn Wilson
00:55:52
Anthony Glenn Wilson has got a rap sheet like you wouldn't believe he's been arrested 42 times during his
00:56:00
life booked 32 times in correctional facilities and likely he quit murdering or stopped
00:56:08
murdering at least briefly because he was arrested and convicted of assault and battery with a dangerous
00:56:15
weapon this in the area of the murders in March 2nd of 1983 in the month of March of 1983.
00:56:24
so just one year after the third killing plus the announcement the public announcement of the task force forming
00:56:31
probably prompted him the other thing too they're putting in the papers hey we got
00:56:36
this guy Gary Beach who looks okay for these maybe it's a convenient time for me to quit murdering as well right
00:56:44
I point all that out because it won it's good to hear that these cases got solved that they that they're
00:56:51
not just an aside to the berry Beach case to Kimberly niece's case as they are often when we see this case on
00:56:58
Dateline that that we have a result we have a resolve an answer to what happened to these poor girls down in
00:57:06
Louisiana but Barry Beach and Anthony Wilson do not look anything like one another
00:57:15
we have an officer who came out in fact he was still on the force when they finally solved these three unsolved
00:57:22
homicides he comes forward and he says hey when they brought beach in and said they were
00:57:28
going to question him for these three Louisiana murders we got into a heated argument
00:57:34
I got into a heated argument with the two officers I said you know he doesn't look anything like
00:57:40
the description we have of our suspect right we have witnesses at several of the crime scenes of the murder scenes
00:57:48
and We Know by all of their accounts this man looks nothing like like our suspect
00:57:55
and they said hey why don't you shut up we'll deal with the homicides you're a Narcotics officer why don't you worry
00:58:03
about the drugs we'll worry about the homicides and they question Barry Beach anyway and
00:58:09
that's where my mind goes captain and I wonder you know what is this the old bait and switch as soon as they found
00:58:15
out from his old stepmother that Barry was questioned a couple of times up in the state of Montana hey let's get him
00:58:22
to confess to these three murders here we know he didn't do it before we even started the questioning
00:58:29
and let's open the door to talk to him about Montana and let's see what we can get from the
00:58:34
investigators up there maybe they led him to this confession to be honest with you I wish I knew the absolute answer
00:58:41
for you captain and I don't have it I don't have the answer I've looked over this a hundred times I can't figure out
00:58:48
if Barry Beach's confession is true or false oh yeah at least another one of them is false
00:58:54
that's true that is absolutely true [Music] foreign extra Saucy crispy do we have any recommended
00:59:19
reading this week we do Captain this week we are recommending a book called Reckless speculation about murder and
00:59:26
it's available in paperback and in Kindle form and that's by is this the story of the captain well it could be
00:59:33
and it's funny that you say that because I've read this book it's fantastic but Reckless speculation about murder is
00:59:40
kind of what we do every week in the garage and this is by a good friend of the show Barney Doyle one of the things
00:59:48
that I enjoyed about this book was it points out that Barney Doyle isn't your average gumshoe private detective all
00:59:56
right he is but what sets him apart from all of those other guys is that he wrote
01:00:00
this book and they didn't so check out Reckless speculation about Murder By Barney Doyle that's our
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recommended reading for this week join us back here in the garage next week until then be good be kind and don't let
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it [Music] [Applause] [Music] foreign