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gather around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime thank you Brianna's parents the maitlands fielded
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hundreds of tips about Brianna's possible whereabouts in the days and weeks after her disappearance and they
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heard it all you know she was kidnapped and killed or she was tied to a tree she was in a lake
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she was fed to Hogs but about a month after Brianna disappeared an anonymous phone call came
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in to Bruce Maitland that said Brianna was being held in a Cellar at a farmhouse on Reservoir Road in Berkshire
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which is just about 15 minutes away from the Black Lantern Inn at Bruce's insistence on April 15 2004
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police went to the house in question and found that the house was occupied by none other than Ryan's in Jackson the
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last names of the two drug dealers that we had discussed in the first episode a young local couple was also present at
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this home these are two individuals both 17 years old at the time now police were
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granted permission to search the premises and saw in plain sight drug paraphernalia cocaine pot and drugs but
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there was no sign of Brianna and the house didn't even have a Cellar right police arrested all four present
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and questioned them they all professed to know Brianna but no one knew where she was or what had happened to her
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they were arraigned and released in Jackson and Ryan they actually left the area shortly after this occurred it's
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unknown who made the anonymous call alleging Brianna was at the house in July of 2004 Brianna's parents and
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their private investigators sifted through rumors about their daughter's disappearance one
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thing they heard from multiple sources was Brianna's body could be found in a manure pit on a farm in Sheldon
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the manure pit was drained uh Brianna was not in it the maintenance also followed up on tips taking them to New
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York City and other places they even borrowed an underwater slash underground camera to search parts of the area which
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included a river and the river in question actually had portions that were were now ice free by the time these
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searches were being conducted that would have had ice there when Brianna disappeared right Brianna's parents
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accepted help from an organization that helps to find missing persons this group
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is mja incorporated and this is an investigations group that is self-funded and does not charge the families for
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work done on their behalf mja Personnel claims to have found some items in a ditch under some brush near the crime
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scene and we say crime scene we mean where her vehicle was found these were a pair of Victoria's Secret
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underwear matching Brianna's size there was a syringe found as well and some zip ties with hair in them mja
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turned all of these items over to the Vermont State Police if tests were ever run on the syringe
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zip ties or underwear we are never told of these results right but in October of
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2004 two mja employees processed Brianna's car after it was released by The Vermont State Police lab according
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to Mark Harper of mja he found traces of vomit on the door frame of the car on both sides a light blue syringe cap was
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also found and a minute traces of blood were found using a black light well they
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believed that the syringe cap matched the syringe that they found in the ditch they also found three green fibers
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possibly from the trim of a jacket or a cuff or hem that this didn't seem to these fibers
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didn't seem to match anything found at Brianna's home or where she was staying so what we mean by this indication is
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that these fibers could have come from somebody else right other than from something that Brianna was wearing now
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what mja proclaims to have found in the car has been met with significant skepticism
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the thing here is a you you have to wonder how unlikely it may have been for the Vermont State Police to have missed
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all of this evidence I'm not saying that they would have missed some of it or any
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one piece of this evidence it seems difficult for me to believe that they would have missed all of this evidence
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inside the small confines of that car well they also claimed that there was still fingerprint tape that was left
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from law enforcement that looked like there was fingerprints that they could you know like when they
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pulled off the tape that they could see fingerprints and why weren't those taken
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and why weren't those processed as what basically mja is claiming yes and I saw that report as well I left out the
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fingerprint information because of the rebuttal by the Vermont State Police stating that those were deemed to be
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unusable prints for whatever reason yeah I think they said they were unreadable there you go
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um so here's the thing or you know regarding this evidence or possible we should say possible evidence
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as to what had happened it's hard to believe that they missed all of it but let's say that they did or let's say
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that they found it and for whatever reason deemed it to be unrelated because this car was in their possession for
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quite some time before mja was able to process the car right so regarding the the vomit the blood
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any thoughts they are captain of of what you you feel because here's what my gut
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tells me regarding the fibers okay so these fibers are rather small um as we said it's likely they did not
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come from Brianna right but this car is almost 20 years old and it's the inside as we described it there's
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there's litter and trash all over this car yeah it looks like somebody's either living out of this car or that they just
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use their car as a trash can yeah so it becomes very difficult to and again I I believe
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law enforcement when they say hey these are unreadable Prints but when you say that you found vomit
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well dried vomit well was this something that happened a month before she went missing and she just didn't clean it up
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I mean there's cans of tuna there's trash everywhere so one night you get a little drunk and you throw up and you
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clean most of it up and there's some um residue left over yeah right or you're sick and you get sick
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um the blood as far as I'm concerned same thing I kind of lump all these three things together the vomit the
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blood and the fibers well but you can test the blood to find out if it's hers right but what I mean by this is not not
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look you it could go either way obviously we don't know we just don't know it could actually be evidence of
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something or this car is 20 years old and it wasn't well kept on the inside of this vehicle like you said any of this
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stuff could have come from not just days or weeks before but it could have come even years before for all we know I it
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doesn't look like they were in the habit of cleaning out the inside of this vehicle right
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so there's a decent chance at least in my mind that there's a possibility that all three of these items have literally
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zero connection to what actually happened and there has never been a real connection established between uh the
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victim and the underwear that was found in the ditch right and we don't again I mean when you have needles involved and
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you have rumors of drug use you then question and then you have the zip ties are you using the zip tie to tie your
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arm off you know to inject something into you are you using the underwear to tie your
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arm off um these are possibilities when there's rumors of drug use so we have Harper he's the independent
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investigator that quote unquote found um things in the vehicle and he would state that he found enough things in the
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vehicle to back up his theory and his theory is that Brianna was the victim of a serial killer operating in the area
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who leaves little to no trace of evidence behind basing this on he based this off of footprints found on takeout
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containers on the floor of her car and the rear view mirror supposedly being bent backwards
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stating that he believes that there was some kind of struggle that took place in
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the vehicle that started in the front seat and may have moved to the back seat and then to the outside of the vehicle
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he states that he believes that Brianna was ultimately subdued by using a hot shot or a quick dose of an
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incapacitating drug and then the killer abducted and killed her I need to use that with the syringe yes okay
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so again though I have but you have a guy that is supposedly a serial killer that doesn't leave behind evidence and
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he's leaving behind a syringe right so but it's possible I mean we've seen plenty of serial killers
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start killing people and get very sloppy it is very possible but again the evidence that he points to to suggest
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this Theory I call in a question again footprints on containers that were in the vehicle
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I mean if if he could tell me that those containers didn't make their way into that vehicle until like 24 hours before
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she disappeared then maybe I'll believe that those Footprints had something to do with her disappearance but again just
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like all the other items we discussed those containers could have been in that car for a year right before we know if
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they're boot prints or whatever and then you go okay well we have we know that this killer wears this type of boot Ah
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that's but how are we going to know that that killer wears that type of boot he's
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I'm just going off of his words I don't have a whole lot of I'm saying information on this Theory I'm just
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using the thought that he says that this this serial killer leaves no evidence behind right but when when the guy says
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hey there's some evidence we got these Footprints do those Footprints match another case and if they do then I think
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you have to keep an open mind to that could be a possibility I mean she's only you know a a mile and a half less than a
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mile and a half from her her work where she left that that's very strange I mean
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could she have picked somebody up you know did she pick somebody up in the parking lot before she left
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um those are all possibilities the other thing I wonder while we're on the topic
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and we'll get back to the car again because there's a lot to talk about with the car I feel but the thing I wonder
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too here Captain is it something as innocent on on Brianna's behalf could she have pulled off the road
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thinking she either forgot something at work or needed to turn around to go to a
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different direction for any number of reasons pull off the road and then kind of slammed it into reverse and
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accidentally backed into the side of the we've all had accidents right so very possible
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or one of my thoughts too was you know she gets off work if these drug rumors are true if the heavy drug use is
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true is she leaving work and pulling off the side of the road to do some drugs real
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quick and this is a banded area and then you do a little drugs and then for whatever
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reason she gets a little freaked out oh man I gotta get out of here or maybe a cop Drives By or a couple cars drive by
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she starts getting freaked out I gotta get out of here throws into reverse hits the barn
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well after after about a year went by we do have some of Brianna's family would say that they were starting to give up
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hope that she would ever be found alive but they did still continue to search for her but then years would go by yeah
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and in 2007 Brianna's parents moved away from the area to New York to the state of New York well and let's dive into
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that a little bit more because you're of the mind and I've been of the mind too if you have a missing person in your
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family you don't want to leave the area but during the investigation it came out
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that um Brianna was molested by 18 year old male I believe that neighbor yeah I believe that male was a direct neighbor
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and the family was getting threats the family was getting there was just a lot of stuff happening and plus now
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you're you have this information you didn't have before about a neighbor and now you have to see that person's very
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small town so this is one of the cases of a missing person where when somebody says we left because things
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were getting bad I believe them we've seen it in so many other cases where somebody is actually a suspect in the
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person going missing and they they jump town I'm always suspicious of that but I'm not suspicious of it here well and
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and like you said we usually think that's a huge red flag but that would be especially in the case of younger
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missing persons true where Brianna being 17 she and here's the vibe I get to Captain with Brianna and obviously I
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don't know but I feel like this was a young adult you know 17 years old about to be an adult
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I really feel like this was somebody if she was getting her life on track like her mother says I kind of feel like this
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is a 17 year old going on 25. right you know this was somebody that was ready to
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venture off into the world and hold herself and carry herself like an adult now the thing that the thing that I also
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found too regarding this and you put it in a in better more detailed terms was that we have Bruce I'm Batman her father
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he said in the course of his searches for his daughter he confronted a lot of people demanding to know whether they
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knew anything and this created a lot of enemies for him and his family and as you pointed out uh they received threats
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uh in the process of looking for their daughter Bruce was working in the first the
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forestry industry as well and he publicly said that the strain on him was was big time and this is because he you
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know he'd be out in the woods and finding scraps of clothing in the woods or seeing buzzards circling around it
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was like or if he saw a fire he would have to check it out yeah he I mean he he's at work and he can't get away years
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later he can't get away from this could this could have something to do with my daughter's disappearance or
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this this could be finding my daughter today while I'm at work well it really makes you feel bad for the family and I
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think in a lot of these cases we see um you know there's talk about the victim but we don't talk so much about I
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mean the effect that this has on the family members is devastating it's life-changing forever
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let's get into some of the rumors because we've kind of been circling around this and but there are some very
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that uh very specific rumors that have raised questions in this case the first according to several inside sources a
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lime wedge was found on the trunk of Brianna's car right this despite the car having backed into the barn or the the
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I'm sorry The Farmhouse and a portion of that Farmhouse collapsing onto the trunk
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of the car right so it's not known exactly where this line was found the lime gave rise to a slew of rumors that
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there was a party at the Dutch burn house that night there is quite a bit of debate whether people hung out at that
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house at that abandoned house we do know that a gun and drug paraphernalia was found inside there
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um could this have been a possible meeting place for teenagers or used by dealers or a meet-up spot right but on
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the other hand here's the thing on the other side of the coin captain it seems a bit weird to me it seems to
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make a little sense to me for illegal activities to be conducted at what I would consider to be such a visible spot
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on a well-traveled road and what I mean by that is her car is only there for a limited time
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and we have several people stating hey I saw her car there that night right there's no evidence of a party and what
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I mean by that is we have eyewitnesses that saw her car we don't have a single eyewitness that I've seen or that I've
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read about that saw multiple cars there where there was a party right now it could be that again could it is it
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possible that she met people after work and they decided Well let's go down to this barn and and do some drugs and have
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a little little tiny party that is possible but again there's no evidence of that
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well like you pointed out earlier she's less than a mile and a half away from the Black Lantern Inn this is a bar and
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restaurant where I would expect to see and find lime wedges yeah put the lime in the coconut and we already reported
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the low temperature that night was eight degrees right A lot of people argue that
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this lime would be in contact with alcohol so therefore it wouldn't freeze and that's also not true
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just also depending on like is in the proof isn't there something to do with the proof that yeah so the alcohol by
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volume would would be in direct relation to whether it would freeze or not right
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and again this wouldn't have to be in contact somebody could just have lime and water or whatever or it could be
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somebody some people like to cut up the limes or the lemons and and and chew on them and eat them so is it possible
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somebody was out by her car or was somebody just being a jerk and threw it and I hit her car and she
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didn't even know it was there I mean it's uh well if it was discarded after somebody was done with their drink or if
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somebody kind of you know you just kind of you toss out the drink with keeping the the glass in your hand if that were
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to occur I would assume that if this is a mixed drink and that's what I would expect to find a lime on
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um or in if they were discarding their drink it could be that it was the drink was
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considerably watered down by that point and again like I said the low temperature that night is eight degrees
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we know that we know we have to believe that she wrecked her car between the time of leaving work which is about 11
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30 at night and between the the first sighting of the vehicle yeah which was just midnight or one o'clock depending
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on how you read that report so that's that's a half an hour to an hour and a half later and at that time of night I'm
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going to expect it to be very close to the lowest temperature of the night right again if the lime is on her on the
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roof of her car and we're also talking about it's a big trunk yeah so it's not like
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the small trunks that we have today so she hits the this building or whoever hits the building and even if the line
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moves a little bit it could still stay on the trunk I think it has nothing to do with this case I think it's simply
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she worked at a bar she was a mile and a half from the bar I'm sure there's constantly things put
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on her car I I don't think it has much to do with anything I had one time one uh when I
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was married that I was digging a ditch and I needed to go to the store to get a new shovel and I took my I had my ring
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off while I was digging and was on the back of my car on the bumper I drove miles went to the store then drove miles
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back and luckily the the ring stayed on the car but so I I just don't put a lot of weight into this whole lime thing if
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it was even there we got it we got to keep in mind that this is a we're going through the rumor section of what was
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going on I'll just assume that it it seems like a strange thing for someone to just make up so let's go with that it
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was true but again I'm gonna go back to she was coming from a place where I would expect to be many lime wedges you
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know it's a bar it's a restaurant right you know I think that it was likely Frozen to the vehicle before she even
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left there now another rumor in the case that has been Central to this case has to do with a story told by Brianna's
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mother that Brianna seems to have seen someone or something that day when they were at the mall the same day that she
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went missing that that shook her up yeah remember there she had this uh thing happened where Brianna went into
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the parking lot then came back and she was shooking up so one witness much later told Maitland Family private
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investigator that he had been told by someone unnamed that this individual went to the mall
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and warned Brianna to not go to work that night right so I mean I I guess this would go probably
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go back to something we talked about on yesterday's show did she has she made some type of enemy or did
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she owe somebody money or was this something to do with the local drug scene right or the girl that punched her
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in the face multiple times the other thing too that the true two drug dealers that we've discussed on the
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show that there seems to be some possible connection if not directly with Brianna or would have been with maybe
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some of the people she some of the circles she ran in right would be this Ryan's and Jackson character
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here's the thing okay I got to believe look in a lot of these cases that we've covered especially when we go back to
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like the 60s or 70s there's always the rumor of well so and so must have owed a drug dealer money and they didn't pay up
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so the dealer came after him and killed him right okay let's think about that for a second
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now I understand that crazy things do happen and that mathematically not everything always works out but can we
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just agree that the overwhelming majority of the time when when a situation like that goes down it's
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because somebody owes a considerable amount of money or a considerable amount of drugs to someone
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a a pot dealer doesn't go after somebody for a hundred bucks and kill them it just it it it does not happen
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oh well it depends on how you run the streets you know no but can can we agree I think as a
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whole as all of the garage Army I think we need to just agree that that's not the way that these things go down so
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that's not how I run my streets well that's fine but the thing what I'm what I'm trying to get at here is
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then if we have to under if we go down the thought of her being killed for drug money or a debt that that was owed to
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drug dealers right that also means that those drug dealers permitted Brianna to rack up a huge debt
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that typically doesn't happen usually often when somebody sells somebody something or fronts them something
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if they're not paid for it they don't front them again and again and again and again and again right but this also I
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mean we have rumors that she was doing not just smoking pot but you know possibly
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smoking crack and then on top of that getting a job the rumor was that she got the second job to pay off a debt
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right but I I don't know how that counters what I was saying about racking up a a large debt oh but you could rack
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up it might not be over and over it could have been a one-time thing where this person felt like Hey we're pretty
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you know not only are you buying drugs for me but we're friends all you need this much coke or you need this much
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whatever and or maybe heck for all we know the the it was she was going to sell it for him or
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something and something went bad she owed him a bunch of money right I no I agree with that
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um but I agree with your theory that a drug dealer is not going to let her rack up a debt over a period of time what I'm
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saying is there is that possibility of hey one time thing you know because this is a 17 year old
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that's living on their own and needs money right so well and then on top of that
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though so as far as the drugs that we mentioned uh as being well not just mentioned but what we know was being
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brought into the area most of those you would have to sell a huge quantity for them to be expensive
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you know the only expensive drug in that list is cocaine right and usually people
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don't front somebody you know hundreds of dollars or thousands of dollars of cocaine especially somebody they don't
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know very well well a guy might to a pretty girl the other thing we have to consider too is if somebody owes a debt
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to a drug dealer if you kill the person that owes the debt you can't collect on that debt
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let's get into um I know we've already touched on some of the theories here Captain but there
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are some that we've not really dove into yet and one that really speaking of Creeper van let's take out the van part
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this Theory really creeps the hell out of me and probably a lot of others out there and this was a very popular Theory
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early on that someone was hiding in the backseat of Brianna's car while she was at work and as she drove down east
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Berkshire Road was attacked and maybe the attack caused the accident somehow into the abandoned house and then this
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person hiding in her car abducted her yeah possible I mean again we have the rumors of the threats being made to not
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go to work she goes to work anyways because she needs the money and then the person that maybe threatens her or the
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group of people that threatens her goes hey we're going to teach her a lesson when she gets in the car we'll be
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waiting and I know that sounds very urban legend ish right but we do have Bruce Maitland he initially embraced
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this Theory and police did say that it's still considered a possibility to this day
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so did the perp wait in the car and wait for her to pull off away from work there's a couple things that might be
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tricky about that we don't know how long her shift was that day or when this person would have entered the vehicle we
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do know it was very cold out that night it seems like um somebody sitting there quite bored
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and quite cold for maybe hours waiting for this individual to return that's why I would think it would be involved with
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the threats because there's the people that were making threats to her would know what time she was starting possibly
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what time should be ending as well you also have to you bring up a good um possibility
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could someone you have to wonder could somebody go into the establishment and get a feel for when she might be leaving
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that night and not have to wait out there in the cold right the other thought too and this was a theory that
00:32:48
is interesting we have the thought that Brianna was ambushed by multiple people with some type of Roadblock that may
00:32:56
have forced her to pull over and then she was taken from that abandoned house area
00:33:02
this to me seems less likely than the perpetrator hiding in her car the only reason why I say that is because the way
00:33:10
this theory is reads implies multiple individuals working together we already discussed that this
00:33:17
is an area with no cell service this would further complicate individuals working together plus that we never hear
00:33:24
of any evidence or could find of any evidence stating that there were skid marks on the road right but if we want
00:33:31
to talk all these possible you know crazy possibilities there's people it's the threats aren't
00:33:39
coming from one person the threats coming from multiple people we know that that is something that spooked or we
00:33:46
know that they didn't want her to go to work for whatever reason that's evidence
00:33:50
we do have so if these individuals didn't want her to go to work who knows why right or but but
00:33:59
but a warning doesn't it could be either way it could be somebody saying we don't
00:34:03
you know we don't want her to go to work for whatever reason or someone that knows of something that could be going
00:34:09
down and trying to say hey it's unsafe for you to go to work right I but I think most people believe the threat
00:34:16
that was made while she was shopping was don't go to work not that something as bad is going to happen like you better
00:34:23
not do that so she goes to work could somebody be in the backseat of her car possibly could somebody be uh could they
00:34:31
run her off the road possibly could they set up a roadblock possibly could somebody be in the backseat of her car
00:34:38
and they set up a roadblock also the all these things are possible I think we just have such lack of evidence
00:34:46
of these things I think that you're right there and I I would agree with if I had to pick one or two of those
00:34:53
being as being more likely the roadblock is the one to me that doesn't make a lot
00:34:57
of sense because we've already discussed it well the reason why it makes sense though is it's the reversing and hitting
00:35:03
the barn from reverse and if you set up a roadblock like maybe you'd be like what the hell is happening here and then
00:35:10
you'd slow down but once you slow down enough where you'd see who was in the cars of the roadblock or who was out of
00:35:17
the cards of the roadblock then you might punch it back into gear because you're gonna have to hit this Barn going
00:35:24
35 40 miles an hour and that's pretty fast going in reverse so that's the only reason why that that theory is plausible
00:35:32
to me yeah I agree with that what I meant was that it's a busy road that we've we've
00:35:37
already discussed how many people we think we're traveling on the road after midnight that night and it seems to me
00:35:42
like a roadblock would have been tough for to pull off and not have anybody else see it or say hey there was some
00:35:49
strange activity going on but just before midnight yeah right I agree fully with that yeah then there's the other
00:35:56
Theory and this might be even more plausible that that Brianna met someone at the abandoned house or near the
00:36:04
abandoned house the night that she uh went missing and was abducted from there so pointing to the possibility of a
00:36:11
struggle inside her car or just outside of her car her family has stated that they do believe that there was a
00:36:21
possible struggle at this scene some investigators believe that there may have been a violent confrontation inside
00:36:28
the vehicle we discussed that earlier this based on the the lights and the blinkers going on and off
00:36:35
so things scattered around inside and outside of the car as well as those reports about The Lights being on the
00:36:43
blinkers being on the blinkers not being on there is the report from the police that
00:36:49
states a broken piece of jewelry was found outside of the vehicle again here's what I would like to hear
00:36:57
in this situation a broken piece of jewelry was found outside of the vehicle we know that the officer picked it up
00:37:03
assumed that it came from the vehicle so he put it back in the vehicle and then had the vehicle towed right can we get
00:37:09
anybody friends or family to say yes that was a piece of her jewelry right because just like what we discussed
00:37:15
about the vehicle being almost 20 years old and items inside of it could have been there for years for months for
00:37:21
weeks that broken piece of jewelry could have just happened to landed there years
00:37:26
ago you know or months ago right if you could prove it was hers it leans that evidence leans towards the idea that
00:37:34
there would be a struggle at that scene what I think points more towards a direct connection between uh to our
00:37:42
victim or our missing person is the loose change that is a rumored to have been found on the ground outside of where the
00:37:50
car would have been so we talked about what she we do know that she wore to work that night that apron that had
00:37:57
pockets on the outside of it we don't have family or friends to tell us what else she was wearing that night but here
00:38:05
just a general thought is either she still has that apron on or maybe it's on her lap and either through the course of
00:38:13
some kind of struggle or even just the simple Act of getting out of the vehicle at that scene of the abandoned house
00:38:19
could cause loose change to come out of those pockets and fall onto the the ground there what I'm getting at with
00:38:27
this is you're saying well what does that point to to me that kind of points to Brianna could have very likely or was
00:38:35
very likely at that scene right that night so let's go back to 2006 for a minute
00:38:41
this is when the Maitland started to work with a private investigator named Greg overacker the maitlands were very
00:38:49
frustrated with what they perceived as a lack of progress in the case and at about the same time they're getting
00:38:55
assisted by Kelly Maitland's sister Tammy they have their website up and going right and they're receiving
00:39:01
several tips and some of these tips are about a man called The Joker now according to tips The Joker whom police
00:39:09
later identified as Jorge Soto 26 years old of Springfield Massachusetts was an associate of Raymond Ryan's and
00:39:17
Nathaniel Jackson the two uh very well-known drug dealers by our listeners at this point Soto reportedly bragged
00:39:26
repeatedly that he had killed Brianna people in Richford said that Soto was Notorious in their town for having quote
00:39:32
strangled a puppy to death at a party with his bare hands and quote this is believed because it's barking got on his
00:39:40
nerves when the police questioned Soto about his boastings concerning Brianna he told them that his claims were only
00:39:48
bravado made up to make him quote appear big and mean end quote in the eyes of those that He dealt drugs to right but
00:39:56
he was big and mean well he was certainly mean I didn't see the size of this man but I'll I'll go on your word
00:40:03
but even after police questioned him Soto reported continue to tell people that he killed Brianna and even told one
00:40:10
group of teens he buried her body in a cornfield behind a house he occasionally occupied
00:40:18
so the the thing here is that I did see someone and this is tough because I couldn't find the actual information
00:40:27
myself but I found someone discussing that Soto was actually arrested and put in jail
00:40:35
prior to Brianna's disappearance and he was he was released the day before she disappeared yes so I went down that
00:40:45
trail and I was thinking well this person's going to say that he was locked up and he couldn't have done anything to
00:40:51
Brianna but according to this source which I've not been able to verify he he was arrested but was in fact released
00:40:59
just the day before he would have been somewhat in this area is the thing that we do know at the time of her
00:41:06
disappearance right I wonder if there's any well they probably didn't ask but I wonder if what if he went to that bar
00:41:13
that night saw her he knows her through her other drug dealer connections hey can you give me a ride
00:41:21
that you know and but there's nothing that I have found that puts him in that town
00:41:29
that day right in law enforcement I think their claim is we would have known if he's in town ah you wouldn't know
00:41:37
there's 13 of you right you'd know if he's in town for a while but you wouldn't know the minute he had there's
00:41:43
not some radar that goes off so it's definitely impossible I think it's very creepy and you gotta be a giant piece of
00:41:52
[ __ ] to walk around telling people that you're responsible for this and then when the cops come up on you you say ah
00:41:59
I'm just bragging to you know to make myself look bigger well and then go back to stating that you did kill her after
00:42:06
you're done talking to the police right but they need to follow up on some of these rumors I mean if he's talking
00:42:13
about burying her and this cornfield you know how much does it cost to get cadaver dogs to go out and and search it
00:42:21
would seem to me like I can come to two conclusions regarding Jorge Soto or the Joker right we we either have an
00:42:29
individual that actually killed Brianna or we have a guy that's a freaking [ __ ]
00:42:35
okay that's the only two conclusions I can come to with this guy now he's both according to Greg overacker
00:42:43
um the private investigator he stated that Soto eventually ended up being sent to a mental health facility and to
00:42:49
prison as well the other prevailing Theory another prevailing Theory I should say that while questioning locals
00:42:57
friends and AC acquaintances of Brianna Greg over anchor repeatedly heard the following story
00:43:04
there was a late night party in Richford the night Brianna disappeared overacher
00:43:10
was told Brianna attended and something horrible happened to her at the party some people said she was killed at the
00:43:16
party others said she overdosed others said she was deliberately overdosed right several reports that overacker
00:43:26
heard had Brianna's body disposed of quote on a farm somewhere in Franklin County
00:43:33
so under this Theory she would have attended the party after crashing the car in my opinion the time frame between
00:43:39
the witnesses seeing her leave work and then seeing the car around 12 to 1 o'clock right it's seems
00:43:49
likely that this is too short of a time period for her to have gone to the party
00:43:54
OD'd and someone then ditched the car at the Dutch burn place before the witnesses saw the car
00:44:03
so if this is the case then does the car crashing into the barn have anything to
00:44:08
do with what happened to Brianna it seems unlikely that the car crash is just incidental in my opinion and then
00:44:16
her going to a party and dying of a drug overdose that same night right Brianna's
00:44:21
friend Katie believes that at least four locals know exactly what happened that night one was someone she considered a
00:44:28
friend until he told her he was present when he witnessed quote The Light leave Brianna's eyes
00:44:36
Brianna's friend Megan who says Brianna was involved in drugs also believes that
00:44:41
Brianna ODed and that the locals covered it up to hide the lethal overdose by a minor and their own involvement
00:44:50
other possibilities that have been raised over the years we have a situation where Bruce and Kelly Maitland
00:44:56
received a confidential tip concerning a 32 year old Burlington man named Gerald
00:45:02
Montgomery the tipster told the maitlands that Montgomery was an associate of Ryan's and Jackson
00:45:09
we'll get into the story but one thing I want to point out here Captain there's a
00:45:13
lot of rumors going on about what could have happened to this girl doesn't it seem crazy that most of them seem to
00:45:19
the names Ryan and Jackson keep coming back up yeah they're they're either Associates or they know or they were
00:45:26
involved in somehow well and all the rumors about her drug use if if you believe on one side that she was
00:45:34
cleaning herself up or if you believe that she was getting more into it or depending on it's a depending on what
00:45:41
kind of habit you think she had obviously people she's getting drugs from Play A Part in that and they're
00:45:48
going to play a part in a lot of different scenarios I gotcha I got you it's it's like if drugs if you believe
00:45:54
drugs were any way involved at all right in her life then because of two well-known drug dealers are are in the
00:46:00
storytelling right because if she's doing crack or heroin from these guys and she does these drugs that night and
00:46:08
she dies from a OT well guess who the cops are also going to come after yeah the people with the bad drugs so
00:46:16
so regarding this Gerald Montgomery the tipster said that um that he had something to do with this
00:46:24
now the maitlands are already aware of Montgomery at this point I would believe and this would be through newspapers
00:46:32
because in March of 2005 Montgomery raped beat and strangled to death a 31 year old woman this is Laura
00:46:40
winterbottom the rape murder took place in a vehicle on Burlington Street after his arrest it was learned that
00:46:49
Montgomery worked in Burlington at worked in a Burlington elementary school but was con a convicted sex offender in
00:46:57
New York so he was a convicted sex offender in New York and then moved to the Vermont
00:47:03
area and started working in the school before he killed this woman yeah I don't know the details of of him being
00:47:11
involved in Brianna's case or leading to her disappearance just this is somebody
00:47:17
that we know is capable of murder and it sounds like he was in the immediate area
00:47:22
at the time in 2008 the Vermont State Police issued a press release saying the following investigators believe that
00:47:31
there is a strong indication that Brianna is in fact a victim of Foul Play there is no evidence at all at this time
00:47:38
to indicate that Brianna willingly left the area so it sounds to me like in 2008
00:47:46
the Vermont state police were kind of back to square one in a sense because square one started
00:47:53
off being that they thought that she was either uh some kind of runaway or just an irresponsible teenager that would
00:48:01
turn up eventually right so in 2015 a Canadian investigative journalist named tarek started looking into the case now
00:48:09
tarek says he's 100 certain that Brianna's disappearance was drug related although not because she owed a debt she
00:48:19
was quote made to Disappear by several people in that business not just a random killer but people said you know
00:48:27
but people she knew according to tarek tarek believes that the murder was planned that Brianna was warned about it
00:48:34
that day at the mall and she chose to ignore the warning both overacher he's the private investigator and Tarik agree
00:48:42
that there is a conspiracy of Silence around this case and agree to some extent about Brianna's fate overactor
00:48:50
thinks that at least three people know directly what happened to Brianna but it may be a group different from Ryan's and
00:48:58
Jackson the two drug dealers so in other words that locals were involved right he
00:49:04
says up to 15 people likely have information on the case looking into this case recently over Act heard from
00:49:11
an informant that a car followed Brianna that night from the Black Lantern and forced her to pull over and grabbed her
00:49:19
according to this informant multiple people were at the Dutch burn house when Brianna was taken and the car was
00:49:26
disposed of or wanted to be disposed of the informant told overacher that a tall
00:49:32
male attempted to drive the car but his knees got in the way and he accidentally
00:49:37
crashed it into the side of the abandoned house these people all were complicit in or had knowledge of
00:49:45
Brianna's death and Disposal the informant was not a was not local to this case but moved in the same circles
00:49:54
as those responsible he said that Brianna was buried on a piece of property a private property somewhere in
00:50:01
the area now we would be remiss if we didn't discuss a possible case connection right
00:50:10
Captain there is one other theory that has now been well yeah I think some would say it's been
00:50:17
debunked by law enforcement and Brianna's family but it's an intriguing one and one that we should mention part
00:50:24
of the reason that Brianna's case received so much attention from the media and the public from the get-go was
00:50:30
because it seemed all too familiar there is another case of a young woman taking
00:50:34
off in her car destination maybe unknown crashing it in the dark Rural Road in the upper New England area and Vanishing
00:50:44
from the face of the Earth yeah and of in fact this case took place only 90 miles from
00:50:51
where Brianna went missing and it occurred just five weeks earlier and yes we are talking about Mara Murray let me
00:50:58
just start off with the whole idea of only 90 miles if you said hey uh I'm moving don't worry it's only 90 miles
00:51:07
away that's that's a far distance yeah and remember we had this when we discussed
00:51:14
the case of the two murdered ladies that were both out jogging right and they were killed within like sorry I don't
00:51:21
have my notes in front of me but it would have been like a roughly a week of one another and they both happen to be
00:51:26
out jogging when when they were attacked by by separate individuals right the cases were not related at all but they
00:51:33
were in the general same area of the country and they were both doing the same activity when they were attacked those
00:51:42
cases had nothing to do with one another one thing I will say here though that that I think it's appropriate to
00:51:51
get into it here is that I do understand the math you know everybody says regarding Mara Murray and they say it as
00:51:59
well with Brianna Maitland's case well that's because you went to school for a computer no but they say the math do you
00:52:06
understand the mathematics of someone having to they happen to be in an accident and
00:52:14
before they could get to safety or get to another location they cross paths with a serial killer
00:52:21
yes I understand how ridiculous that would be the probability of that happening and then let's factor in that
00:52:29
it was the same serial killer that is as close to I mean we're not even talking about lightning striking
00:52:37
twice we're talking about something even more improbable than that but what is far more likely is that the
00:52:47
two could have ended with the similar fate right we could have a situation here where both did accidentally
00:52:55
crash their cars and they cross path with across paths with a killer someone that would go on to attack abduct and
00:53:04
kill them not necessarily the same individual and what I mean by that is we've covered
00:53:12
enough cases Captain we've seen plenty of times where somebody they didn't wake up that day with the intention of
00:53:18
abducting attacking and killing somebody but by the end of the their day that's what happened for whatever reason and
00:53:26
maybe it's because they came across the their eventual victim just by happenstance right
00:53:33
so if there is any relationship between these two cases in my opinion would be that it's just a similar set of
00:53:40
circumstances not that they're in fact related in any other way so where the case stands today we have
00:53:47
Lieutenant Glenn Hall says cops have worked this case to death but still can't offer closure to the family Hall
00:53:55
believes that the tips regarding drug abuses parties and overdoses were exaggerated and there is no real
00:54:02
evidence that Brianna was involved in the drug scene as the rumors claim he stated in 2014 that authorities do have
00:54:11
quote Persons of Interest in the case but in a surprise Revelation reported by WCAX in March of 2016. police indicated
00:54:21
that they have DNA evidence obtained from Brianna's vehicle and that they continue to work the case as a case of
00:54:28
missing of a missing person with suspected to hear that though with suspected Foul Play
00:54:34
as of March 2018 the Vermont State Police say that the case is still active with
00:54:41
several leads but no clear suspect so what are your thoughts on the this case here Captain well this one is very
00:54:49
difficult I think for two reasons one that you can basically take all the actual evidence
00:54:56
and put it on a very small piece of paper the amount of rumors you could put the
00:55:02
actual evidence on the lime wedge probably yes and then you could fill a whole book with the rumors yeah and
00:55:10
that's what makes this very difficult and and the reason why it's similar to the
00:55:16
mara Murray case to me is you have all these things like the lime wedge like the the way the car was crashed
00:55:25
the her going to work these possible threats you have all these things that they might mean everything
00:55:32
or they could mean nothing and probably mathematically you would have to wager that the majority of these things likely
00:55:41
mean nothing right I I do put a little more weight um I've heard some of the private
00:55:48
investigators and some uh armchair detectives talking about the rumors that the friends have came forward I mean
00:55:55
it's been years later you know she's since she's gone missing and now you have some of her really
00:56:01
close friends that are coming forward and to me it's almost um they're trying to get something off
00:56:07
their chest I don't think the rumors were that the friends were there but they know of people that Brianna was
00:56:14
with I I put a little bit more weight into those um confessions if you will then I think
00:56:22
most of the other people because they're going well what they're saying makes sense but
00:56:30
the scene at the car doesn't make any sense and I don't think necessarily they have to go hand in hand right so we
00:56:39
might not be able to explain the car crash we might be able to explain this one in
00:56:43
I put a little more weight into what they're saying um but this one is a big I don't know
00:56:50
I agree with that and I think a big problem like you stated not just the rumors but there's also so many
00:56:56
different people rumored to have been involved and right that makes it extremely difficult the other thing that
00:57:02
I find Crazy is we're not talking we shouldn't be talking about a large circle of people coming forward we
00:57:08
already said there's only like 900 people in the town total so the amount of people coming forward
00:57:15
those rumors can't even seem to agree on who the number one suspect is and the number one reason why she would have
00:57:22
been killed right you know so that seems weird to me and not even a clear understanding if
00:57:28
she was even involved in drugs um on that level at all I think that you know there are several possibilities
00:57:38
that I can't walk away from one being that it could be as simple as she intended to turn around on her drive for
00:57:48
whatever reason any number of reasons accidentally wedged her car up on that foundation and she couldn't drive off
00:57:54
with that car and we know that she picked up a hitchhiker at one time this is her mom's statement that points to me
00:58:02
that she might be willing to get into somebody's car and that could be somebody that decided to do something
00:58:08
terrible at a moment's notice right for no real reason at all other than their a
00:58:15
complete monster the other troubling thing too is like we pointed out that those two same drug
00:58:21
dealers names seem to come up in most of the rumors as to what happened to Brianna so you can't discount that
00:58:29
really the other thought with her ex-boyfriend James is weird because he says later
00:58:36
that he saw her vehicle yeah we know they have some kind of History it's unclear to me what his history was
00:58:44
with that Keeley girl who I also said you know like Bruce Maitland said has not officially been cleared in his
00:58:51
opinion and I don't think she's officially been cleared in my opinion either but this James guy I did come across
00:58:58
some rumors that he may not have actually been in Canada that night at all uh but I couldn't find any hardcore
00:59:05
proof that that was in fact the case but those are the rumors then the weird thing this is like the Encyclopedia
00:59:13
Brown and me that going off on something that's completely likely has nothing to do with the case
00:59:19
but something that is mentioned in the case and doesn't seem to add up or make sense was that she left the note at her
00:59:26
friend's house stating that she would return after her shift I wish we had a little more information on that because
00:59:32
what also is reported is that her friend was out of town that weekend and she reported or called the Maitland
00:59:41
Family to state that hey she's been missing and I've been home since Sunday and now it's Tuesday and I
00:59:47
can't find her I don't know where she is but what I call in a question is if you
00:59:52
know your friend is out of town for the weekend why bother leaving the note stating that you would be back at her
00:59:58
place after that hurt your shift you're telling somebody that's not there that you're going to be there right that
01:00:05
seems like a strange thing that that I wish we had more information on that now in conclusion you know so we have the
01:00:14
Black Lantern and it did close in 2015. eventually it would have reopened under new ownership the Dutch burn house
01:00:22
eventually burned to the ground in a fire in 2016. Brianna has been missing for 14 years
01:00:30
many people looking into this case believe that it is likely this case will be solved too many people seem to have
01:00:37
information on what may have happened to her for to stay under wraps forever all
01:00:42
it will take is one of them to break the quote conspiracy of Silence surrounding
01:00:49
this case Bruce Maitland doesn't believe Brianna is alive any longer he believes
01:00:55
she knew the person who eventually abducted and killed her he believes that Brianna met someone at the Dutch burn
01:01:01
house and there was a struggle but beyond that it's all speculation based on evidence that doesn't make a lot of
01:01:08
sense quote I don't think this was a random act of being in the wrong place at the wrong time Maitland told
01:01:15
foxnews.com he said there was something going on in Brianna's life that we don't know about
01:01:22
she had obviously made a connection with someone that may have resulted in what happened to her
01:01:34
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