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sent from a Maryland prison you are always asking me about my murders well here is one that no one
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knows about that's right pal I have never told anyone about this murder I never had to go far to find a victim for
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most all truck stops across the US had [ __ ] working in and around them this is a story of a young prostitute I
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killed in October of 1995 she was working the 76 Truck Stop in Reno Nevada I was driving a blue long-nosed
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Peterbilt I was hooked up to a freezer trailer that's a trailer with a freezer I beat and raped that [ __ ] in
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the sleeper of that truck uck that night until I grew tired of her then I put my hands on her neck and
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I began squeezing her screams of pain slowly dwindled down to Mere rasp of agonizing
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Grunts and groans the sound she made slowly faded away never to be heard again Sweet Death
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had finally come down upon her now her body was just a dead carcass laying in wait for the decomposition to start the
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breaking down of cells I laid there with my arms wrapped around her dead body and slept for about
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3 hours I woke up to my alarm clock going off at 5:30 a.m. I climbed over her and I got
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dressed I throwed a blanket over her then I started the truck up I got out of the truck locked the door and headed
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over to the car coffee shop to grab a bite and check the computer for loads heading
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east the closest thing I saw available to me that I was looking for was a load of ranch house salad dressing they
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wanted taken down to Houston Texas the company was located over in Sharps Nevada which is only about 25 Mi
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north of the truck stop I decided to accept the job I grabbed a coffee to go and off to
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the truck TR I went I climbed up into the cab and checked everything out and off I
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go I got to the warehouse in Sharps that had the load but there was no one there
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because it was Saturday morning the sign on the door said they were opened up at 9:00 a.m. but it was
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only 7:45 a.m. so I looked around and there wasn't a damn soul in sight there wasn't nothing around this
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little business park so I thought this would be a perfect place to ditch her off I dragged her dead ass out of the
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truck I grabbed my little army shovel and off I went to the back of that little Warehouse I found a nice isolated area
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back there I buried her in about 45 minutes this Industrial Park wasn't very old so the ground was pretty soft and
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that's where she is to this day it was not for another two bodies later that I would realize what a waste of all
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that good meat was only ending up being nothing more than bug and worm food I have never Shed a Tear For Those
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I have killed nor will I down the road those sweet young drug addicted prostitutes that I killed back in my
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past were pretty much dead to the world long before I killed them they were nothing more than walking
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zombies looking for a few moments of pleasure from their sick twisted daily lives of
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shame I feel I've done those poor souls a favor if I feel anything for them I feel only some jealousy for their pains
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are over and mine will continue as I sit Behind These Bars until the day I die I have enclosed my tooth for you we
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never met but now you will always have a part of me with you you take care be safe out there my
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best friend signed with a thumb print Preston [Music] [Music] blood December 8th 1996 Baltimore
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Maryland and Captain while I would consider the great state of Maryland to be a beautiful beautiful state and
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Baltimore to be a beautiful city as well well I would not consider the couple of
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city blocks where our story starts off to be anywhere near beautiful shout out to Rockville
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Maryland this is a dingy undesirable couple of city blocks on the City Southwest Side back in December of 1996
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Joe methany is 46 years old he's about 6'1 in tall and almost 300 lb so we're talking about a pretty big guy
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here big boy on the night of the eth he met a woman by the name of Rita keer who
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is 37 years old he met her at the borderline bar now Joe is at this bar nearly every night drinking beer in
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Southern Comfort the bar is right by where Joe methany Works Joe works for the Joe Stein and Sun Pallet Company M
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for those of you that may not know pallets are those wood skids manufactur Ed primarily for stacking cargo when
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loading you know onto semi-rs or trains anyway not only does Joe worked there but he is living there so I'll I'll
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explain Joe is a forklift operator at the Joe Stein and Sun Pallet company he's a forklift operator by day but by
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night he is a night Watchman Joe is a well let's say he's a very persuasive personality he's outgoing he's quite the
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talker so my guess is Joe had nowhere to live and he cut a deal with his boss you
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know you need someone to watch this place at night and I work here during the day you know me you trust me so they
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work out this deal I think they only paid him an additional $20 a week for his night Watchman duties right but he
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got to stay there and sleep there at night the Joe Stein and Sun Pallet company is located at 3200 James Street
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which is in the southwest corner of the city of Baltimore the company is situated on a lot which is adjacent to a
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wooded area the company has a locked entrance gate and is surrounded by an 8T High chain link fence with barbed wire
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on top the lot is approximately the size of a city a square City Block there is a
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warehouse and an office building there that is surrounded by literally thousands of wooden pallets which are
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stacked at varying Heights throughout the lot there is no business conducted at this company or surrounding companies
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during the evening hours James Street is a deadend street where there is very little to no pedestrian traffic Joe
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lived in a small one room trailer located on the South fence the nearest residential development to The Pallet
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company is approximately two blocks away on this particular night apparently his
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Watchman duties included inviting Rita keer back to his Trail from the bar yes Rita had joined Joe at
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the trailer on at least one other occasion now I don't know the particulars of that visit but I do know
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the particulars of this one and it goes like this Joe invited Rita back to join him at the trailer with the promise of
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drinks and cocaine well at some point Joe starts attacking Rita she manages to get out of the trailer she raced towards
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the front gate but Joe is chasing after her Rita keer reached the gate but it was locked when she turned around to
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look for another way out Joe had caught up to her mhm and he punched her his big
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fat fist smashing into her jaw rendering her unconscious Joe then dragged her back into the trailer by her hair once
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Joe had Rita back in the trailer he pinned her down which is probably pretty easy for him once he got on top of her
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to hold her down I mean he's almost 300 lb at this time I don't know the size of
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this poor woman but I'm guessing she's outsized by quite a bit once pinned down Joe starts pulling down Rita's jeans she
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starts screaming Joe yells at her um and she's yelling at Joe but Joe's not terribly worried about the screams
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because where this is located where the trailer is located this lot it's it's likely that not anyone would hear her
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especially at this hour of night I me like you said there's no pedestrians walking by correct and there's no
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business being conducted in this area at this hour Rita begs Joe to stop attacking her he ignores her she starts
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praying out loud and Joe's reaction to this well he he finds this to be funny then Joe tells Rita that he's going to
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rape her and when he's done he's going to kill her and once she is dead he is going to bury her in the woods with the
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other girls Rita keer decides that she is not going to die not that night not by the hands of this loser well she
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started kicking and she kicked her legs out of her pants remember he was trying to pull the pants off right and he she
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rolled underneath of Joe as he was trying to keep her pinned down this rolling allows her to break free now
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she's on her feet and she's sprinting out of the trailer and looking for a way out of the fenced in yard now Joe is up
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and he's running after her and he still got her pants in his hand Rita ran toward one of several large stacks of
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pallets now there are hundreds of course of these pallets there are probably you
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know piles and stacks of these things all along the fences Rita starts climbing one of these Stacks Joe runs up
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to the stack she's climbing and he's trying to grab her as she continues to climb I mean this is like a scene out of
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a horror movie Rita feels Joe's hand nearly grab her ankle she gets to the top of the stack and she leaps jumping
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over the top of the fence she slams to the ground but thankfully on the other side of the fence from Joe methany she
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gets back on her feet and runs down the hill screaming and waving her hands she's trying to flag down a vehicle then
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she sees the lights of an approaching car am I wrong I mean that's like the ending of the First Texas Chainsaw
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Massacre right waving down a vehicle yeah yeah yeah I mean you have this woman who it seems like if you if you
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looked in on this area it would feel like there was nothing around this trailer and nothing around this fenced
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in palet yard yeah she's basically trapped with inside that fence figuring out this masterful way to get out
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leaping over the fence and now she's free but she's still got this Maniac inside the fence trying to get to her
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yeah and you just wanted a little bananas and blow and uh now you're jumping over fences well she's outside
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the fence she's trying to flag down a car she sees a car this car starts to slow down and to her surprise it's a
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police officer she tells the officer what had just happened and how she was attacked and how Joe had told her that
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he was going to rape and kill her the officer drives up the hill and around to the front of the gate Joe is in inside
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the fence near the gate and in his hands he still has a hold of Rita's pants the
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officer orders Joe out and into his car Joe spent the night in jail and he was going to be charged with assault
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kidnapping and attempted rape but the thing here is though Captain they didn't hold him long he was not going to have
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to stay in jail for very long to wait for the trial right and and and he also knows where his victim
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you know goes to hang out he knows probably her friends maybe knows where she lives yeah and I I I'm guessing she
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won't be returning to the borderline bar anytime soon especially with him being out so they well I'm pointing out that
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the police are not protecting her right and they end up releasing him it's just a day or two after this attack so when
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Joe gets out guess where he is Captain goes to the bar that's right he's right back at the borderline bar sitting on a
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stool drinking Southern Comfort and beer telling jokes now not too long after being released from jail Joe is back at
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the bar and on this particular night he's hanging out with a guy named William Ashbrook Jr now William works
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with Joe at The Pallet company they are at the borderline bar most of the night boozing it up Joe invites William back
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to the trailer just to be clear there's no crime or shame in that and boozing it
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up with with your buddy from The Pallet Company no I mean just being out a bar and boozing it up right right so Joe
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invites William back to the trailer they get to the trailer and they start snorting cocaine that's a crime okay
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thanks for the clarification let you know and after a few snorts Joe asked William for a favor sorry Joe go ahead
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no almost choked on my beer Joe tells William that he needs it's in the line after a few lines not after a few snorts
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few snorts we're CH we're changing the lingo after a few snorts continue yeah Joe asked William William for a favor he
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wants help moving a body and he thinks maybe William would help him with this William thinks Joe is messing around
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with him he doesn't believe Joe so Joe then takes William into the woods and Joe starts pushing away debris and trash
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and underneath this debris and trash sure enough there is a rotting nude body of a dead woman William tells Joe that
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he's going to vomit and that he's not going to help him move the body yeah he does offer to go get more
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cocaine yeah and I I wonder when he's saying hey look I'm going to puke I can't help you I wonder what Joe's
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demeanor was at this time was he getting angry at him did he sense you know did he feel threatened like if I don't help
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him is he going to attack me yeah yeah it makes you wonder and I I almost feel like we have Joe methany at this point
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that's got probably so much beer and Southern Comfort and cocaine in him he might even be very casual about this
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whole thing yeah hey you you want to go help me move this body well I like this little escape plan
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that that William has here he's like I'm not going to help you move the body but
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I'll go get some more cocaine for the both of us yeah well with this he leaves and he does not come back that night the
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next day I'm not sure if this is at work remember they worked together or if this
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was at the bar after work but William asked Joe about the body that he was asked to help move Joe plays Dumb and
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acts like he doesn't know what William is talking about right well William starts to get scared of his friend Joe
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he starts getting scared of this stuff that he knows he starts thinking you know if if I know about this dead body
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that Joe showed me maybe I'm the only one that knows about it well Joe could easily take me out and then nobody knows
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about this body right yeah So eventually just within a couple of days William reports the story to the police on
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December 15th 1996 at approximately 1:40 a.m. members of the Baltimore City police department and an FBI task force
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arrest Joe methany get this they arrested Joe at the Joe Stein and Sons company Christmas party and it does not
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take them long to find a dead body just 10 ft from the trailer that Joe slept in
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they find the body of a woman who is wrapped up in a red tarp and that would be the body I'm assuming the dead body
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would later be identified as Kimberly Lynn Spicer age 26 so after he is arrested a Baltimore
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Police Officer transported him to the homicide unit of the police department during the course of the investigation
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of the recovered body of Kim Spicer Joe gave several statements to detectives but he starts telling them about someone
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other than Kim Spicer he tells them he met a woman about two years ago he described the woman as possibly having
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brown hair her build according to Joe was she was a little thin and she was a little tall in stature he believes this
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would have been one night back in July 1994 Joe is very judgmental yeah he says that this would have been around 8 or
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900 p.m. that night mhm he tells the officers that he took this woman to his trailer located at The Pallet company
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and while in his trailer he had sex with her while she was partially clothed she had been in his trailer for
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approximately 1 hour when Joe started to strangle her when the detective asked Joe methany how did you strangle her did
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you strangle her with your hands methany responded Yes with my hands the detective further questioned did you use
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anything else to which he answered I Ed an an extension cord I took the end of the cord and strangled her to clarify
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he's saying that he choked her with his hands until she passed out once she passed out he put the extension cord
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around her neck and killed her then according to Joe he drugg her back into the woods then buried her in a shallow
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grave he then took her purse and clothing and buried them in a separate location now we said that Joe did not
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know the woman's name but he gave identifying information stating that he believed that the victim's first name
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was possibly Kathy and that she was approximately 5' 6 to 5' 7 and about 120 to 130 lb she was also missing a couple
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of Upper Front Teeth she had been wearing cut off jeans white tennis shoes and a white pullover sweater and she had
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a purse with her and like you said he's he's basically living on the property of
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his work and it's a finston property and so it's a big area but outside that fence is where he's been burying these
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individuals yes there's there's that wooded area so he's going to draw a diagram of what he can you know best
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remember to try to help them locate uh this victim yes they're they're going to look for where he buried the body he
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says it would have been a shallow grave he said approximately 2 feet deep he further stated that when he buried her
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she was not dressed additionally Joe indicated that after the body had been buried for about 6 months he went back
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to the burial location and dug up and removed the skull afterwards he threw the skull in a trash box why why did he
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do that um I mean does it say yeah well he in his words and actually I should I should clarify I don't know if these are
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his words maybe a reporter cleaned it up right but from the report that I read he
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dug up the skull that had been there for approximately 6 months cleaned it and then made love to it M uh romantic yeah
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and then he he threw this skull in a trash box the Box containing the skull was a later removed from that location
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and transported to according to Joe Oxford Pennsylvania so he must know where this trash is being sent to yeah
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and basically he's telling you you're going to find this body roughly in this area on the diagram that I drew you're
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going to find a naked woman headless nak naked woman yeah well also if you're living in this you know work compound
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basically and you know when trash is leaving then this is a great way for you to be able to hide evidence right he
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should have probably put the whole thing in the you know in this trash box that would have been transported far away
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right but for whatever reason he felt more comfortable burying her in that shallow grave in the woods so the next
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day the police took Joe in cuffs and shackles back to the Pallet company as escorted by detective Pennington this is
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greenlight.com slmp [Music] podcast all right Shear's mates so we're talking about Joe methany the killer um
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not to be confused with like somebody like Pat maeni they're they're spelled the same way but and if you look up some
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reports they will say Joe meeni but it's actually Joe methany yeah we got that from local Baltimore reports so him
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being from Baltimore we're going with that with that pronunciation so where we left off Captain they had returned Joe
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to The Pallet company in hopes of finding this buried female victim that Joe had told the investigators about now
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on that first day the search team was unsuccessful in locating the body Joe could not seem to show them the right
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spot and there had been a good deal of rain around that time so they brought in kadav dogs to pick up Ascent however
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possibly due to all this rain they were unable to find the location so finding nothing they had to call off the search
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and then later again get permission to remove Joe from the Baltimore City detention center with permission granted
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detective Pennington again transported Joe back to the Joe Stein and Sun Pallet company to assist locating the body this
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time after some hesitation methany indicated to detectives there's an area approximately just 10 ft from a previous
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location that he had pointed out to them okay so bring in the excavation team right uhuh the team used techniques to
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carefully unearth The Remains and they were exactly exactly in the condition that Joe said that they would be the
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doctor at the excavation site noted that the cranium was missing the skeletal remains were recovered from a very
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shallow grave and transported to the office of the chief medical examiner where later with dental records the
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remains were found to be that of Catherine magazine and Catherine would have been 45 at the time of her murder
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yeah and I know it's a bit confusing Captain because we said that the cranium was missing but remember the body had
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been buried for approximately 6 months so when Joe dug up the body and took the skull the lower jaw by this time had
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already fallen off MH the lower jaw was located with the rest of the body and that's what they Ed to get the dental
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records they're also good be able to determine that Joe was telling the truth when he said that her death was by
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strangulation yes and here's a little thing here Joe was asked why he had killed Kathy he said that it gave him a
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sense of power stating I don't know I got a rush out of it I got high out of it yeah adding call it what you want I
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had no real excuse other than I like to do it I don't know how to describe it so
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now Captain we have this man we have him he's locked up he's been arrested we found two bodies he's attacked another
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woman that got away thankfully yeah so who is this guy okay so we but we found the one that wasn't buried that's the
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one that he tried to get his coworker to help him bury yes remove the body Kim Spicer she was wrapped up in a a red
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tarp yeah and then we found Catherine she is Buried buried in that wooded area near the Pallet Company both died of
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same cause uh believed to be strangulation and both both deaths yes and then we have an attack on this was
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the Rita keer who was attacked and got away now one thing I do want to point out here Captain regarding the cause of
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death with these two women is that Joe unfortunately he he when he attacked these women he beat them quite a bit as
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well um so they would have seen injuries on the bodies to indicate that as well so who is is this guy that we have
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locked up you know what can we figure out about his background well we can tell that he's a real piece of [ __ ] well
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Joe was born in Baltimore County but lived in West Virginia from the ages of 2 to six later according to Joe pay
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attention to that according to Joe he was shuffled among foster homes in the Baltimore area he completed the eighth
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grade but he earned his high school equival equivalency and studied physics for a year and a half while in the Army
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where he was a field artillery soldier from 1973 to 1975 he was honorably discharged after that he worked at
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various jobs including a shipyard a liquor distributor and he was also a Long Haul truck driver for some time
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methany spent about 20 years in a world few people ever see he drifted in and out of Bal Baltimore city's homeless
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camps composed of filthy tents and sleeping bags under bridges and over sewer gradings for a while he lived in
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row houses under the bapco river bridge in a homeless Community called Tent City
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then later in 1988 he began working at the Joe Stein and Suns company where he lived in the trailer at The Pallet
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company now at The Pallet Company Captain according to his co-workers Joe methany he made people laugh they said
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he would joke about anything and his bosses at work stated he was a pretty smart guy he would come up with
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solutions to problems stating that if we had a problem he would be the one that would come up with a way to figure it
00:34:41
out but these same co-workers described a complex personality many of them saying in one respect he is a gentle
00:34:49
giant that they nicknamed tiny standing more than 6 feet tall weighing almost 300 lb stating that he loves to draw
00:34:57
large cartoon characters and play video games so he sounds kind of like a big kid yeah but enough with this uh we call
00:35:04
the big guy tiny let's come up with some better names than that that that does happen a lot but but here's where the
00:35:11
complex personality comes into play they state that he also had a temper and at times had threatened co-workers and also
00:35:18
threatened patrons of the bar where he hung out nearly every night playing pool does it right but does it say what kind
00:35:25
of threats cuz there's a difference between hey man I'm going to kick your ass and
00:35:29
hey man I'm going to kill you uh I don't have any specifics I don't have any specifics just co-workers stating that
00:35:36
they were aware that he had threatened them at times as well as people at this bar well and I think also because you're
00:35:43
living at your job then you know that you know if you make these threats and then your employer comes down on you not
00:35:51
only do you lose your job you're going to lose your home mhm well he also drank very heavily according to the people
00:36:00
that knew him they believe that he went through a bottle of Southern Comfort whiskey each and every night whether it
00:36:06
be at the bar or back at the rundown trailer that was furnished simply with two chairs a couch and a television set
00:36:14
and an electric heater he Joe had surrounded the trailer with stacks of pallets methany told his attorney that
00:36:24
he was one of six children born into a poor family and that he was neglected as a child and shuffled off to foster homes
00:36:33
by his parents and telling his attorney by the time of his arrest both his parents were dead okay now Captain as
00:36:40
you know we are about to get into our first discrepancy in this serial killer profile case Okay because here we try as
00:36:49
we did with Ted Bundy and John gasy to study their crimes their backgrounds and their words to try to get a better sense
00:36:56
of who these killers are why they did what they did and what made them this way now Joe I wouldn't consider to be a
00:37:06
human in any sense that we can see from the crimes that we have already discussed yeah you can see he's just an
00:37:12
evil waste of life but when we look at Joe's crimes his background and especially his words to try to figure
00:37:20
him out this is where we run into one major problem Joe would later in life tell us a lot about his crimes and
00:37:27
background but at some point we have to start to wonder how much of this that he
00:37:32
is telling us is true among other things he told his lawyer that his mother was dead which came as a surprise to his
00:37:40
mother right he says both of his parents are dead while Presto chaino Captain Joe's mom is alive so not only did he
00:37:48
get that wrong or lie but his mother's Recollections contradict some of Joe's statements all right so what does his
00:37:55
mother say his mother was tracked down by a reporter at her home in Markleysburg
00:38:00
Pennsylvania her name is Jean methany and at the time of this she was 78 years Young when the reporter tracked her down
00:38:09
uh she you mean old yeah well both uh when she was told that her son Joe described her as dead she responded
00:38:19
maybe he just wishes I was adding that he pushed his family away a long time ago Jean methany described her son uh as
00:38:28
growing up to be a normal boy saying he was smart and he had a good childhood she said this and this next statement
00:38:35
should shouldn't make me laugh but it does Jean said if Joe was neglected it was his own
00:38:43
fault right that just does that seem weird or what that sounds neglectful yeah hey if uh you were neglected it's
00:38:50
your own damn fault yeah she said that their home was a pretty good one adding that none of her children were ever
00:38:56
never placed in other homes but if it wasn't a good home it's your own damn fault Jean methany she said her husband
00:39:05
was a laborer the two of them struggled to make ends meet and moved to the North
00:39:10
Point Boulevard area of Essex shortly before Joe methany was born when Joe was six his father was killed in a car
00:39:18
accident she said his death was very very hard on the family right Jean had to work to support the family she said
00:39:26
she did everything she could to keep the children together in the years after her
00:39:31
husband's death Jean says she worked as a waitress a barid and as a canteen truck driver who delivered lunches to
00:39:40
workers at Sparrow's Point Shipyard she said she could not be with her family every single minute of the day but it
00:39:47
was a normal family she said we weren't rich but we always had something to eat and we always had a roof over our heads
00:39:56
and that becomes a difficult situation because the father at that time especially in that time period he
00:40:02
probably was the bread winner and now she's going to have to take on these jobs and a lot of times you'd see that
00:40:08
the mother would stay at home and raise the the children why the father can focus on his career mhm and so she might
00:40:16
not to build up some of those skills so she would had to take on jobs like being
00:40:20
a waitress or something that wouldn't pay her as much per hour so she wouldn't be working that normal 40h hour weeks be
00:40:26
working 60 hours a week well not only that Captain I'm guessing that when she mentions that she has you know at times
00:40:32
she worked as a waitress or a barate or the truck driver right I'm also wondering because they have six children
00:40:39
and she's a single parent if at a lot of those times if she was working more than
00:40:43
one of those jobs together no that's what I mean I I'm I'm assuming that she's working anywhere from 60 to 70
00:40:52
hours right and that you know is that a normal childhood for some people yeah but you know you have six kids then
00:40:59
where did they go who's watching them yeah and I mean I don't mean to attack Jean here no not at all not at all but I
00:41:07
do question where where I hear her say that she's working all these jobs it seems to me like maybe neglected
00:41:16
is not that big of a stretch well no because in her defense she's doing everything she can to put
00:41:23
food on the table keep the lights on so that's not you know it's not neglect right right maybe that's the wrong word
00:41:30
what what I'm getting at though is we have one parent gone who passed away I'm just saying that and we have another
00:41:36
that's that may not be home hardly ever and yeah and we all know how tough it can be to live in a a single uh parent
00:41:44
home uh and then especially in this time to have a single mother home you know so
00:41:50
I applaud her for putting the family on her shoulders and trying to do what she can she did go on to tell us that she
00:41:58
and the family never went on welfare and she remembers her son Joe as an avid bike rider and an above average student
00:42:06
and adding that he was always polite well if you're scoring at home trying to keep track of Joe's lies or
00:42:14
truths um so Dad dead yes check Mom not dead no check for Joe but maybe dead in his mind she did agree that uh that Joe
00:42:25
did sered you know that Joe spent time serving this great country uh in our nation's military and gives some details
00:42:34
stating that when he turned 18 in 1973 Joe entered the Army and was stationed in Germany where he met a
00:42:41
woman that he seemed to be very close to we don't have any more information on this woman but she brings him up her up
00:42:47
for some reason Joe methany told his attorney that he served in Vietnam and became addicted to heroin during his
00:42:56
Tour of Duty in the artillery unit right but his mother said that she does not recall him having served in Vietnam the
00:43:05
Articles where I found this information stated that the military records for Joseph maeni were not available when
00:43:13
they wrote this I was unable to confirm if he had actually served in the war um or if he was just stationed in Germany
00:43:20
like his mother had said well tough thing to he though too is I mean if if the of the father was really tough on
00:43:27
the family and then you again you have six kids and then I mean is there any truth
00:43:33
to the whole foster care thing that seems to be an item that they cannot agree on she's stating that she did
00:43:42
everything she could to keep the children together that doesn't mean that they did that's true that's that's why I
00:43:47
find her statement strange right because she doesn't she doesn't definitively say
00:43:52
the kids were always at my house and in my care she says that she did the best that she could to keep the children
00:43:59
together right and so he goes off into the army maybe he served maybe he didn't maybe she doesn't know because they
00:44:06
weren't that close afterwards I do think um she did at some point definitively say that they did not live at any other
00:44:15
homes but it seems like a now mind you she's 78 when she's giving this interview uh so some of these answers
00:44:22
seem a little bit uh of a roundabout way of to them now once he had left her home
00:44:30
this is according to his mother Joseph seldom called or wrote to his mother right um the relationship she said
00:44:37
eventually disintegrated and the two didn't speak for about 10 years stating that he just kept drifting further and
00:44:44
further away and she does agree that Joe at some point developed a drug problem um here's one thing I wonder
00:44:53
about Captain uhhuh if they hadn't spoken so long and I really wonder about Joe's drug issues I think I think he was
00:45:03
a severe alcoholic and probably very addicted to drugs um right and I'm I'm betting that this had gone on for quite
00:45:12
some time leading up to the point of his arrest with his mother being 78 and them
00:45:18
not having spoke for so long do you think where the public would later call Joe a liar for stating that his mother
00:45:25
is dead do you think there's any chance that he may have just thought she was dead that he didn't keep track with her
00:45:32
I mean you're talking about a guy that he went he woke up in the morning probably hung over as hell and went and
00:45:39
worked as a forklift operator and then went straight to the bar every night after work where he got wasted drunk
00:45:46
right and would do drugs if he could get his hands on them and then wake up and repeat the same thing the next day we're
00:45:52
not talking about somebody that's keeping tabs on family members or or or living any kind of normal life well no
00:45:58
contact for 10 years so maybe at some point he's either just assuming or like I said I think more of that is
00:46:05
psychologically that she's dead to me let's yeah yeah I agree with that and and I obviously he has some issues with
00:46:13
women well let's get to the trials regarding the charges that Joe is facing he was first charged with the attack on
00:46:21
Rita keer we'll call her The One That Got Away this won't be a very tough trial though it shouldn't be at all I
00:46:28
mean we have a living witness SL victim and she ran directly from the attack and
00:46:34
fled into the arms of a police officer yeah so we have her testimony and we have the police officer's testimony as
00:46:41
well regarding the victim the arrest and any evidence found in both so that's an
00:46:46
easy case Joe gets 50 years and that seems good that feels good right Captain he gets 50 years for the attack for the
00:46:54
attack on Rita k on the on the the woman that thankfully got away from him yeah the thing here is when I was when I was
00:47:03
writing down this sentence that he got sentenced to 50 years something immediately popped in my head and I have
00:47:08
to bring this up with you because I know you're you're a fan I recently read one
00:47:12
of Robert Kessler's I'm sorry Robert wrestler's books uh uh I was inspired to do so because of the the show mind
00:47:21
Hunter on Netflix you and I both loved the Mind Hunter yeah I didn't love it at first I I think it was like the first
00:47:29
episode I I thought the main character was I was like yeah I'm not really into this guy by the second episode I'm not a
00:47:36
huge car guy even though I own a garage um the cars in the show from the time period and then it was his partner the
00:47:45
old school cop the old school detective bill yeah Bill he grew on me um much like the captain would grow on you if no
00:47:55
but then by like the third episode I was in love with everybody uh and I just think it's a amazing show the first I'm
00:48:04
getting a little off track here but the first uh episode opens up with that hostage scene where the the hostage
00:48:11
taker ends up blowing his own head off and that I was hooked right there hey spoiler spoiler it's it's a season long
00:48:18
thing that's like the first 10 minutes of the hey spoiler okay so here send hate mail here the deal crime
00:48:26
I was reading a book by Robert wrestler okay and the reason why I did this is I'm not certain I'm not 100% certain but
00:48:34
you had mentioned the older agent bill right who eventually recruits Holden to the
00:48:40
BSU right I believe Bill's character is based off of the real life person Robert
00:48:47
wrestler yeah so having watched this it inspired me to go back and read one of wrestler's books and in one of them this
00:48:55
is not a direct quote but trust me this is very close he's talking about punishing criminals and of course
00:49:01
throughout his career he has faced and been involved in conviction in the conviction process of probably the
00:49:08
absolute worst people that you can imagine yeah he says in his book unfortunately we live in a time where
00:49:15
the sentence of death doesn't always mean death life doesn't always mean life and 25 years can mean 12 or even six
00:49:24
yeah so just keeping that in mind I think is important here because I I'm quick too to go well we're taking a man
00:49:31
that's in his 40s and we're giving him 50 years in prison and that's the same as locking him up and throwing away the
00:49:39
key when in reality it's absolutely not so it's very important that we have these other two trials for Joseph methi
00:49:48
to face Justice for the murders of these other two women the second and the third
00:49:54
trial will be different because in those trials Joe is charged with murder and facing the death penalty in each of the
00:50:00
cases the first murder trial is for the murder of 23-year-old Kimberly Spicer Joe was possibly facing the death
00:50:08
penalty because the prosecutor was charging him with not only murder but with robbery and sexual assault it was
00:50:17
necessary for the pro prosecution to prove robbery or sexual assault in addition to the murder and order to get
00:50:26
that death penalty under Maryland law defense lawyers called a surprise witness in an effort to help Joe avoid
00:50:35
the death sentence yeah this was Baltimore homicide detective Homer Pennington that we had mentioned earlier
00:50:42
the lead homicide detective who investigated the gruesome killing he was asked did Mr methany
00:50:50
discuss his necrofilia acts with you to which Pennington said yes the lawyers this is this is one of the
00:50:58
strangest things I've ever come across in in in Trials here but the lawyers are trying to show that Joe does not deserve
00:51:06
the death penalty because he did not commit an aggravating crime such as sexual assault and then murder the woman
00:51:14
right they called the detective to make a bizarre but important point that Joe preferred to have sex with dead women
00:51:23
and necrophilia is not cons considered a crime in the state of Maryland that's ridiculous just kind of just kind of sit
00:51:31
and soak that in for a minute yeah well it should be so listen to this they should just say pause the trial hey by
00:51:38
the way that's now a new law hey can can we get voters to come out and just put this into into the process immediately
00:51:46
necrofilia should be a crime yes everywhere yes that ain't right anyway so his defense lawyers they did not
00:51:57
contest the claim that Joe per performed a sex act with Spicer's body but this was after her death right in
00:52:07
fact they added that that methany violated Spicer with a bottle after she was dead but they denied that he had sex
00:52:16
with her while she was alive right well another strange part to this trial the defense attorneys considered calling
00:52:24
Spicer's mother to the stand as a witness we don't need to call her well this is what's this is what's strange
00:52:30
about it Joe then persuaded them not to call her he reportedly told the attorneys please do not do this Spicer's
00:52:42
mother this is uh Kathy Kathy Price was not called to the stand it's just so crazy to me all these serial killers
00:52:50
that have issues with their mothers I me it's just over and over right yeah but you're talking about he did some
00:52:57
horrible things to this Kimberly Spicer right and then he he's it's almost like okay to do what he did you you basically
00:53:07
I don't think you can have remorse if you do what he did and then you did it again to somebody else I don't see any
00:53:13
any form of remorse there however him crying at the trial when she when she's to be called and saying hey don't do
00:53:20
this then you start to question is he remorseful is he you know sad about what he did is he sad for this victim for the
00:53:28
mother's victim well I think the victim of his mother I'm not saying that right at all it's a mother of a mother I'm I'm
00:53:35
trying to say the the victim's mother that maybe he felt bad for the victim's mother go ahead right but I possibly but
00:53:44
uh also with the whole situation with his mother you know he seems like somebody that stuck in his past and
00:53:51
maybe by that bringing being brought up to that for Forefront that maybe he this
00:53:57
is going to sound weird but maybe on some way psychologically he's reverted back to a time where he wasn't this
00:54:04
crazy piece of [ __ ] you know what I mean back in a time where maybe he was a Sweet Child you know what I
00:54:11
mean um yeah and that kind of goes you know lot there's a lot of arguments are killers born you know or they or are
00:54:18
they made and it's probably just more selfish than wanting to spare uh Kimberly Spicer's mother the agony of
00:54:26
going on the stand it's probably more selfish in just that it bothered him that it made him upset and he's saying
00:54:32
hey don't do this right right now I I did make a I misspoke earlier Captain Kimberly Spicer was stabbed 26 times
00:54:41
that was the cause of her death Joe was found guilty of first-degree murder in her horrific murder but he was spared
00:54:50
the death penalty by the judge who ruled that Joe did not Rob or sexually assault
00:54:54
the woman before he killed her now a day after escaping the death penalty Joseph
00:55:02
was sentenced to spend the rest of his life in prison without the possibility of parole after the trial Kim Spicer's
00:55:10
mother said to reporters I'd like to ask him why he killed Kim right but stating
00:55:16
that we will never really know he's just a killer and some people there is just evil yeah but did she ever ask him I
00:55:27
don't think she ever had a conversation with with Joe uh outside of the courtroom well and he also like to write
00:55:33
people so I don't you know but that would be a sign of remorse to write a letter to the victim's mother I just
00:55:39
don't think he has that in him the second murder trial took place about 5 months later and again Joe is facing the
00:55:46
death penalty this time he is accused of killing uh Kathy magaziner who was Decap
00:55:52
her decapitated body was found on the grounds of Joe Stein and Son Pallet company but she was she was also
00:56:00
decapitated postmortem yes and I should stop myself here and add that Joe was actually facing three murder charges in
00:56:08
three separate cases originally charged with two but once those trials were set law enforcement they then then
00:56:16
identified a third body and connected it to this case this was Tony Lynn and Gracia she was only 28 years old at the
00:56:26
time of her death her Father John described Tony simply telling reporters that she was a good girl she had some
00:56:33
problems with drugs but she was trying to get help and I hate to report this here but there is very little out there
00:56:41
on this case all that I could find is that um she she okay so her body was found basically dumped on the side of a
00:56:51
road right and when he was arrested they connect connected this case to him I don't know what evidence they used to
00:56:58
connect him to this case my guess sometimes they don't use any evidence they just go this guy's behind bar maybe
00:57:06
he did this one well and I'm kind of throwing this in as a side note that he was charged with this third murder
00:57:12
because eventually it's thrown out they they dro the charges due to insufficient
00:57:18
evidence yeah they couldn't take it to trial right and my guess here is that is he connected to it we may never know but
00:57:25
I know that her case is still unsolved as far as I could see if anybody can find any information on that make sure
00:57:31
you post it on our blog at true Crim garage.com but I'm guessing captain that it's a simple thing that she was
00:57:38
probably running around in in circles that Joe may have been running around in possibly and uh she may have had
00:57:45
connections to that area that he was known to frequent right but it's also look you're going to the bar you're
00:57:52
drinking you're doing drugs you know know something like cocaine that's a very social drug so then your circle
00:57:59
becomes wider and wider yeah but what I'm getting at is I think it's just a simple thing that she
00:58:06
fits the victimology of Joe yeah and he's he's locked up he's certainly capable of it let's go ahead and charge
00:58:13
him with it meanwhile we can't find any evidence to support our Theory well and also maybe their thought was hey let's
00:58:19
charge uh Joe with it because he's also a guy that starts speaking that's true could be as simple as hey we believe
00:58:27
that you uh responsible for this murder of this young lady and he just goes yeah
00:58:33
and this is what happened yeah and then it's a open and you know open and shut case um you know I don't know that's
00:58:41
clever I didn't think of that I didn't I mean because what does it hurt it they yeah you can always charge somebody else
00:58:47
with it exactly so in Joe's second murder trial the murder of Katherine magaziner uh this should be a pretty
00:58:54
open and shut case as well because remember just after Joe was arrested for Kim Spicer's murder 3 days later he led
00:59:01
police to a shallow grave on the property which held the decapitated remains of Kathy now one thing that I I
00:59:09
want to point out here Captain is why they have the person take them to the body and we we know on it obviously is
00:59:19
this on the surface that we need to locate this body so we can charge this individual with the actual murder but
00:59:27
it's essentially a confession right you know I mean well in buried her over there right and but what
00:59:35
they do the reason why they bring a person like Joe to the actual body is that later if he decides he wants to
00:59:42
recant his confession they can still say in court well yeah we can't use your confession against you but you were the
00:59:50
one that physically led us to this body right like like I said said it's almost like uh a second confession um not one
00:59:58
they can't take away exactly so some highlights from this trial the uh final prosecution witness was an FBI agent
01:00:07
this is James Fitz Simmons sounds sounds like a FBI agent yeah oh James Fitz Simmons works for the FBI he told the
01:00:16
bureau he told how the bureau had been investigating a range of alleged criminal activities coming from the Joe
01:00:23
Stein and Sons Company when they received a tip that methany had been harboring a corpse these are
01:00:30
his words now the defense attorney in my opinion Joe had very good counsel at his
01:00:36
trials which I was a little surprised yeah forgive me out there if this is rubbing anybody the wrong way for me
01:00:43
being surprised but we're talking about a drug addict that has no money I mean he was working making s or8 an hour as a
01:00:51
forklift operator getting paid an extra $20 a week and blowing all of his money on drugs and alcohol well and these
01:00:57
crimes are horrendous and he is confessing to them in multiple ways so what great defense attorney is going to
01:01:05
step up and say hey maybe I'll help this guy and and these are cases that you're
01:01:10
going to lose you know you're going to lose them yes and but from his attorney's actions I I'm just saying I'm
01:01:17
giving it a great a I think that he had good representation he had better representation than like Adnan SED and
01:01:24
well and like you said these are losing cases so your whole your whole Battle Ground here is to make sure he doesn't
01:01:31
get killed he doesn't get the death penalty right so that's probably why they jumped on board it was probably
01:01:38
somebody that is against the death penalty that's true and should not be in our legal system and they said hey you
01:01:44
know what I'm going to step up and I'm going to defend that principle not defend this
01:01:50
monster but I'm just going to try to get it you know where he doesn't get the death penalty his attorney's name was
01:01:55
Margaret me um you know if if I'm giving her a grade A I should at least mention
01:01:59
her name uh one thing she did during the course of the trial was she questioned uh the FBI agent about payments that the
01:02:07
FBI made to the owner's son of The Pallet Company H uh yeah and they also made payments to this William Ashbrook
01:02:15
remember he was the guy that had called had told police this guy asked me to help move a body for right okay so it
01:02:23
goes like this um they she brought up a report that showed the FBI had spent approximately
01:02:32
$25,000 on ashbrook's behalf this was they paid him to go to a drug rehabilitation program they paid for
01:02:40
well they didn't pay him to go there they paid for the program itself and they covered his rent uh for some time
01:02:47
while he went into hiding as a cooperating witness the FBI also reimbursed the owner of a house where
01:02:55
Ashbrook had once stayed and the owner accused him of stealing tools valued at $5,000 I I don't fault them for doing
01:03:03
that I mean because at the end of the day they're getting evidence but they're also not just handing this guy money
01:03:08
they're trying to straighten out this guy's life and they probably said hey look you have a drug problem yeah I got
01:03:14
a drug Pro problem hey for for you helping and cooperating with us we're going to try to get you clean right and
01:03:21
we're going to do so by sending you to rehab but we're also going to pay your rent for a while so you have nothing to
01:03:25
worry about why you're in hiding from this 300 and some pound you know Monster of a dude yeah the FBI also spent about
01:03:34
$94,000 to relocate Joe Stein Jr and his family after he began cooperating with the investigation well that's a little
01:03:44
excessive I think that um yeah so they're kind of they're kind of protecting these people from a guy
01:03:51
that's locked up um I'm not saying that's wrong I'm just pointing out something that I
01:03:56
found interesting in the trial I guess the the attorney was possibly trying to imply that they paid these two in some
01:04:04
form to testify against her client yeah I think it's I think it's a reasonable argument um whether or not you can prove
01:04:12
that is another thing I think it's fair to bring it up at the course of the trial yeah Council also was asking the
01:04:18
jury to spare the death penalty because Joe was addicted to drugs and that the slaying occurred while he was under the
01:04:26
influence of heroin cocaine or alcohol and pointing out that Joe has a good deal of remorse for what he has done his
01:04:35
attorney stated that Joe said he wanted the killings to stop she added that he's
01:04:40
very polite respectful and intelligent he understands far more than most people it's very indicative that when he is
01:04:48
under the influence of various narcotics that that is when there seems to be a personality change
01:04:55
Joe himself described this as a rage that comes forward through drugs he described this as being very frustrated
01:05:04
with his life being very frustrated too about how he grew up and all of the life
01:05:09
experiences he had had yeah Joe methany seems like a guy that's just stuck in a prison of his past yeah and the thing
01:05:19
Captain is this you know I went through a couple of the quote unquote highlights
01:05:24
of the trial but the the strangest thing that happened in the trial was after Joe
01:05:28
was found guilty this is where Joe decides to address the jury and I mean this cannot be a smart move at all but
01:05:37
you you can't make this guy stop right he addresses the jury and I'm not going to give any direct
01:05:43
quotes but he starts telling them that they should kill him they should sentence him to death because he is not
01:05:51
sorry for what he has done he will never be sorry for what he has done he then goes on to describe digging up the skull
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of one of his victims saying that he made love to it yeah then he's telling the jury that he is happy to go to hell
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for his crimes and he talked about when he when when the uh medical examiners had
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performed the autopsy on another one of his victims that they had found that she
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had and this is his terrible words here that she had given birth to a bouncing baby beer bottle that was his way of
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describing the bottle that the medical examiner had found so he was facing the death penalty and I'm happy to report
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that he got the death penalty yeah it's kind of a weird thing though because you know he comes out he
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confesses then he cries at trial maybe shows some sign of remorse and maybe he was smart enough to know if I
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if I address the juries and maybe it was as simple as this person's trying to defend me but they're only trying to
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defend me because they don't want the death penalty and they don't believe in the death penalty but they don't give a
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[ __ ] about me and you know well I hate women so [ __ ] her too you know what I
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mean and I'm I'm going to throw this whole trial right that's possible or he's saying I have to live with myself
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and I'm such a gigantic pile of dog manure that I don't want to live anymore so I'm going to say these horrible
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things whether or not you know that's just for somebody to decide you know does he believe in what he's saying or
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does he not it's possibly a a suicide wish from him I could see that with the depressing statements that he's made
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over the years um one thing though I question is everyone that describes Joe they describe him as a smart and and
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intelligent man right here's what I wonder Captain having already received 50 years for kidnapping and then a life
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without the possibility of parole sentence in the first murder trial so like then they add that now he's facing
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the death penalty again and he's been convicted but but not sentenced he goes to the jury and puts on this whole crazy
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role I'm wondering if that was some plan inside of his head that he's like well maybe I can convince these people that
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I'm crazy that during the course of this trial I'm going to show that I'm remorseful I'm going to have my attorney
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point out that I'm remorseful that I was addicted to drugs and the drugs caused me to kill people and when it's all said
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done if I have my last card to play is the crazy card yeah and I mean nobody in their right mind would get up and say
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the things that he said to the jury so but like you said he's I mean he is not human yes and but but I have so many
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questions about Joe though because he's also one of these guys that comes off as
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defiant to the end for me maybe this is just a oh well you got me there's nothing I can do about it so I'm going
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