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sheriff of a beautiful little town called Parts Unknown. He is the captain. Let me see your hands, [music] boy. Let
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me see your hands. It's good to be seen and it's good to [music] see you. Tonight in the garage, we are drinking
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Huntsman Red Ale by Barley Mo Brewing Company. Garage Grade 4 [music] and A4 out of five bottle caps. The sheriff
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approves. This is an Imperial double red ale that is not only hoppy and malty, but also smooth and sweet and has a very
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beautiful red color. And Huntsman Red Ale was brought to us by First Up, where else Captain but in the beautiful little
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town of parts unknown. >> Spray them. >> We have Lori and Bonnie and Janette as well. Looks like it looks like
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>> all of you can spread them. >> It looks like the land parcels are filling up in parts unknown.
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Let's get to the trailer. Everybody gather around. Grab a chair. Grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime.
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>> [music] [music] >> where we uh didn't realize there was anybody else out there at first. We were
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just like I said, goofing off. Uh and [music] uh we come up on or didn't really come up on we noticed there were
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people on the track saw a flashlight come on and then go back off. They weren't looking in our direction but we
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could see [music] the light and so we kind of quieted down and snuck up a little bit closer to see what was going
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on. And there was five individuals uh standing on the tracks. One [music] thing that struck my curiosity is uh at
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the time my mother was dating [music] uh an attorney named Dan uh Dan Harmon. I knew him well enough to recognize him.
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There were two more [music] individuals that few minutes after we got there uh were
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walking down the railroad tracks that had a rifle uh and what looked to be a flashlight and they were more or less
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kind of minding [music] their own business. Uh, and when they realized someone else was on the tracks, uh, they
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stopped and was fixing to turn around. When someone, uh, or Danny motioned for them to come closer,
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>> [music] >> uh, over to where they were, uh, they hesitated and eventually [music] ended up walking on
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towards the rest of the group. While my head was turned, I heard a what sounded like a gunshot. I saw a flash [music] as
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you would expect with a gunshot at night. We were pretty much terrified and bolted and ran. Other witnesses [music]
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corroborated that evidence. [music] This is part two of the boys on the tracks case. Captain, should we do a
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little recap? >> Last time on True Crime Garage, >> in the early morning hours of August
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23rd, 1987, this is in Bryant, Arkansas, two boys were laying motionless on the train tracks, and [clears throat] they
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were passed over by the train. The investigation of their deaths falls into the jurisdiction of the Saline County
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Sheriff's Office. Now, that investigation has been called botched at best. And where it picks up from there,
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the medical examiner, this is Fami Malik, he takes over the case and he has to investigate his ruling on the cause
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of the boy's deaths. He's going to claim that the boys were high on marijuana and
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they passed out on the train tracks, then the train came and ran the boys over and that's the cause of death.
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>> Ruling it an accidental death. >> You're exactly correct. >> Exactly. So, the parents of the two boys
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are obviously dissatisfied with the sheriff's investigation as well as the medical examiner's findings. So, they
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schedule a press conference. And it's after this press conference that a grand jury is established. And the grand jury
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decides that they review the they review the evidence and they decide that the cause of death might not be accidental,
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that it's a possible homicide. >> And they're going to call for a second autopsy. After the grand jury
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successfully got the latest autopsy, this was conducted by well-renowned pathologist Dr. Burton. Now, remember,
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he was from out of state. He was actually from Atlanta because they they needed not only fresh eyes on this, but
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they needed someone that would not have connections locally or at the state level, but also at the time Atlanta and
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Dr. Burton had access to better technology. This is going to change their findings of the death not being
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accidental but by being murdered. >> Yes. Let's let's say correcting, right? Because they they just got it wrong from
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the beginning. So from a possible homicide to a definite homicide and because the grand jury and the change in
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the correcting of the rulings of death, the investigation was then transferred to the jurisdiction of the Arkansas
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State Police. I say that because it's not only important to the telling of this story, but in today's episode, we
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will be reviewing some statements that have been taken from the Arkansas State Police files from their investigation
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into the murders of 16-year-old Don Henry and 17-year-old Kevin Ives. This new investigation team has an uphill
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battle because from the get-go, it should have been investigated as a homicide, but it wasn't. and they didn't
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do their due diligence and it was disinvestigated as a traffic death. >> Correct. And we even discussed items
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that they failed to collect at the scene that may have had value towards pointing
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towards any kind of of evidence. >> And before we get to the timeline, we need to kind of discuss what was going
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on in the drug community in this town. >> Cocaine and other drugs were flowing into the city of Little Rock, Arkansas,
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and the smaller communities that surrounded it as well. Uh this is coming from Central America via the freeways
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that connected Miami, Los Angeles, and Dallas, but they were coming in by all forms of transportation. By the time of
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1987, >> the movers would place cocaine on trains, and it would be dropped at designated drop spots. This was also
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coming in by airplane as well. >> And not too far from the tracks where the boys were found, there's an airport
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called the Mena Airport. And this was known by many to be trafficking drugs. >> Planes were landing near the airport
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under the cover of night without using their lights. They were landing, sitting briefly, and taking off again without
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cutting off their engines. >> Mhm. >> The state police was aware that this was going on. So to combat this, they
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started parking vehicles near the airport. Well, the airplane started adjusting what they were doing. They
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picked out different locations and now rather than landing they were just kind of buzzing the fields getting real low
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about 100 ft off the ground and dropping things from the planes. >> Obviously we have Kevin Ives and we have
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Don Henry. Those are the two boys that were found on the tracks. But now let's get into some of the other key players.
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>> Yes. The first person that we will introduce is a man by the name of Jeff Rhodess. He's a young man that was
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interviewed by investigator Don Birdong. And this is from the state police files.
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Birdong's report. This is with an interview with a young man that Birdong does not identify in his notes. But his
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notes state that the Wednesday before the boys were killed. Someone had contacted this man looking to buy an
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ounce of cocaine. This being possibly Roads, the buyer. This guy was unable to obtain the cocaine, so he contacted Don
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Henry. Don and Kevin met with the buyer and they said that they could get coke from Don's connections. Now, this
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connection is not mentioned as well. >> Well, and mind you, that Don Henry was 16 years old at this time.
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>> In another interview with the state police, this is with Don Henry's sister, Gayla. Gayla stated that Don had been at
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the home of a alleged drug dealer to purchase marijuana on the Thursday or Friday before he was killed.
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>> Mhm. >> She had also heard Don say that he knew quote the ultimate dealer unquote. He
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didn't give a name to this person, but he said that the dealer worked out of Little Rock, Arkansas.
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>> Well, we have evidence that the boys were smoking pot, so they got to get that from somebody.
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>> I've been on pot runs. >> Mhm. Right. So, you go into the house just because the guy sells maybe all he
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does is sell pot, but he might sell other things. In another statement, this is from Chris Ballard, who was at one
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time married to Don's sister. He says that he saw Dawn on the Thursday before Don's death. Don said that he was going
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to steal some cocaine. Chris also said that Dawn had mentioned something about this ultimate guy working out of Little
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Rock, Arkansas. In one of the investigators notes, this is investigator Don Birdong. These were
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entered into the file in the summer of 1989. And this is in regards to a conversation with a confidential
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informant stating that Don and Kevin had overheard a phone call between the dealer and an unidentified individual
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about a large drug drop near the area of the train tracks. Sergeant Barney Phillips interviewed a friend of Don and
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Kevin's and said that the night that they had died, he was at a party at a mobile home and the two of them dropped
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by. Before leaving this party, he said that they had told him that they were going to go get some cocaine so they
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could sell it and make a bunch of money. >> Now, let's introduce Keith Con. >> Keith Con is a young man. He's a an
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acquaintance of Don and Kevin's. Keith's mother, Betty Alexander, reported to a drug task force officer that her son had
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told her that he knew something about the Ives and Henry deaths, but he wouldn't explain to her what. Now, Keith
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would go on and tell his father and some of his friends that he had been out that
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night with >> Well, unless, you know, not to interrupt, but he was pretty close with
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his mother. >> Mhm. >> He was afraid to tell her. >> Correct. Yes. like severely afraid, but
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in a moment and he I think he was afraid to tell his father as well. Wasn't like
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he just came out with this information willy-nilly. >> No, he wasn't just running around town
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telling anybody that would listen. Uh this was something that he was it was burning inside of him, but he was afraid
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to talk about it. >> But I also think possibly, you know, having been in that father role that if
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if my son, you know, my stepson would have said, "I know something, but I don't want to tell you." I would have
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made him tell me, you know, because because I can't I can't try to protect you if I don't I don't know what you
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know. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, Keith had told his father and he had told some friends that
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he had been out that night with Don and Kevin, this being the night of their deaths, and he stated that they were out
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near Show Road, uh, where they were approached by two police officers in a vehicle.
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>> Okay. Now, at this time, Keith is on his motorcycle at this point, and he states
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that he fled the scene, and he believed that the boys were attacked and possibly
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killed by those two police officers. >> So, so he saw them being attacked, and he fled the attack.
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>> Yeah, he was he was hanging out with the two boys and as the officers approached,
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he he took off. He got out of there. Months after having telling his father about the story involving the police.
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Keith Cony's mother, Betty Alexander, she's at the local prison visiting her other son, Eugene Coney.
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>> Now, while she's there, she meets a man by the name of Mike Crook. Mike Crook is
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a former manager of GG's, which is a nightclub on the county line. Mike had told Betty about a Gigi's customer who
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frequented the club and an incident that the customer had said he had seen at a small grocery store near Shrobe Road.
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This is located in the general area of the train tracks where the boys were found. On the night of their deaths, he
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was parked at the store close to the railroad tracks waiting for his wife. That's what this statement says. There's
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actually another statement that says he believed that his wife was running around on him. So, he had parked there
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hoping to catch her in the act of being with a boyfriend or being with another man.
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>> Could you imagine just sitting out in a parked dark car waiting for your significant other to possibly be with
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somebody else? >> I wouldn't waste my time. >> Yeah, I think that's that's good advice.
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>> Wouldn't waste my time. Well, while the man is there and Crook will refer to this man as Jerry and he says that Jerry
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saw three teenagers. One of them was on a motorcycle and then he saw two officers arrive at the scene.
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These boys were there smoking pot is what he believed that they were doing. >> So, one could assume that that is Keith
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Cooney on his motorcycle. >> Mhm. >> And that is also Don and Kevin and they're all kind of hanging out smoking
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a little pot. >> Yes. Yes. Crook would say that Jerry does not identify the boys by name, but
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he did in telling Crook this story. He did say, "I believe that two of those boys could have been the boys that were
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found that night." >> Well, right. But this is just proving that his story makes a lot of sense with
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Keith's story. >> Mhm. Jerry then sees what he believes to be a police car pull up. And at this
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time, he says that one of the boys hops on the motorcycle and takes off. Now, some kind of interaction goes badly
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between these police officers and the two remaining boys, and he sees that an altercation breaks out. And during the
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course of this, he basically says that he sees the police officers beating the [ __ ] out of the remaining two boys. And
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afterwards, they throw the kids into the back of the patrol car. The man, Jerry,
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he tells Crook this story back at Gigi's nightclub at some point. And after discussing the story, Crook tells him,
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you know what, that's probably, you're probably right. Those are probably the two boys that were found that night, and
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you really should report this. Now, Jerry was a little hesitant to do so because he saw police officers, what he
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believed to be police officers, you know, abusing some citizens. >> Right. Right.
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>> And so he convinces Jerry to report this. Jerry does go and report this situation to the sheriff's office. Mhm.
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>> Uh Jerry is immediately thrown in jail. Uh he's thrown in jail for back child
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support >> and they keep him in jail for the mandatory sentence of 90 days that he
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was to serve. After the 90 days, this Jerry person immediately leaves town. Now, why do we keep referring to him as
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Jerry? Well, it's because Crook in the statement refused to name the guy, right? just stating that his name was
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Jerry and he looked he looked kind of Mexican was the best description that he would give about regarding Jerry.
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>> Yeah. Well, I think his real name was Sketchy Jerry. >> Well, we're going to follow that up with
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another statement and this is from a man named Ronnie Godwin. Now, Ronnie Godwin,
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according to his statement, he had been at Gigi's nightclub uh for about three or four hours the night that the boys
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had passed away. >> This is a happening place. He said that he had had seven or eight beers there
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before he left and he left around midnight. >> Uh when he was driving home, he was
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driving down Highway 5. He turned down County Line Road. Uh and then he turned right on to 111. As he approached Shrobe
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Road, he saw an unmarked police car. He said it was either tan or gray, but it had three antennas, police hubcaps, and
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spotlights on it. uh instead of turning right onto Shra Road toward his home. >> Wait, hold on. Which could be like a
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detective car. >> Yes. >> You know, because a lot of times like we we live in a pretty small town and when
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you see Well, well, I do. You live north, but um you grew up here and you know, you see these cars, you have the
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police cruisers. >> Mhm. >> And then sometimes you have the sheriff cars or you have like maybe a chief of
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police car, but then you also have these detective cars. >> They're pretty easy to spot. tented
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windows, a bunch of antennas. >> Yeah. Well, after seeing the vehicle, he decided to go straight to avoid being
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noticed instead of turning towards going to his home. >> He had been drinking obviously that
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night. He said seven or eight beers. And he was concerned that he was going to get another DWI had they spotted him. He
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would eventually park his car and shut off his lights. But when he was near Shrobe Road,
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>> dark canoe, >> he saw two cops with two boys. Uh his first thought was that the police may
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have caught some boys trying to break into the store that was in the area. One of the boys was described as being
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taller than the other and more heavy set and this boy had light colored hair. Uh
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this boy had been shoved up against the phone booth by a larger cop. >> We can assume at this point the teenager
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that they're pushing up against this pole would be Don Henry. >> Mhm. He during this altercation he
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believes that he sees one of the teenagers being hit with something in the head. And this was near a phone
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booth. So he wasn't certain if it would have been the receiver from the phone. Uh that would be would have been from
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the phone booth or if it would have been a larger item. It's you know it's dark out. He's got his lights off. Uh but he
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sees the one boy being hit in the head >> and remember in the autopsy was the whole skull fractures. Mhm. And he also
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says that he did not believe or did not see the boys to be resisting in any form
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that these guys were just going after these kids. >> Right. These guys were just getting
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their ass kicked. >> Mhm. The second boy he saw uh there was an officer standing over the other
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teenage boy who was kneeling and on the ground, but he had his head down and he couldn't really make out whom the kid
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was. After this all took place, he said that he saw the two officers throw the boys into the back seat of their
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vehicle. He then sees one of the officers grab what he believes to be a rifle and throw it into the car as well.
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The officers then get into the vehicle and they take off. He says that they make a turn and he noticed that they
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went onto a road that that is a dead end. Mhm. >> Uh he lost track of their lights, so at
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some point he believes that they may have turned off to the left. >> He was obviously concerned about this
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situation and a bit scared, but he's still also watching out for himself. He's still worried about that possible
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DWI, >> right? >> And so he decides that since nobody noticed him there, he knew that these
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officers would have to turn around at some point because it was a dead end and he was worried that they could come out
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at any second. So, he decided to still lay low there and he said it's probably about 15 or 20 minutes went by before he
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sees the vehicle drive by again. He did not notice if the boys were still in the
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vehicle at this point. Ronnie Goodwin estimated that all this took place around 2 or 2:30 a.m. that night, the
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night that the boys were found on the tracks. >> Right >> now, this is interesting here, Captain.
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We have a couple of stories that seem to be lining up with one another. We have we have their friend Keith Cooney who
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states that he left because police officers drove up, scared him off and he believed that there something happened
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between the police officers and the and the boys. >> Yeah. At least a confrontation.
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>> So we have that story. >> Then we have the unknown Jerry person. >> Mhm. >> And then we have this Ron Goodwin come
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forward. >> Shady Jerry. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, the thing here is the state the state police officers uh during
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their investigation, they believed because this Ronnie Goodwin story was so similar to the story of this unknown
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Jerry person >> that his name right >> that had moved out of the area. >> They believe that Jerry and Ronnie
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Godwin were one of the same. And the thing here is when they approach Crook and and they asked him, you know, here
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here's the guy that we believe this Jerry person is. Can you confirm this or deny it? He states very matterof factly,
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this is not the person that I'm talking about. This is I I still refuse to give his name, but this is not the person
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that that I was describing. >> In a sense, it's almost like they're trying to minimize the idea that there
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was police officers involved. You know what I mean? like, well, we got three stories right now that they all kind of
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line up, but uh we're we're thinking that, you know, guy A and guy C are the same. So, really only have two stories
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that line up. >> Or possibly it could be the exact opposite, though. Maybe they're trying
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to corroborate this Godwin story, right? And and and and just go to him and say,
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"Okay, now we know you told somebody else about this and we believe you even more." Um, I mean it really could go
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either way, >> which does make some sense because he was coming from the bar. >> So that would, you know, put two and two
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together. >> Yeah, there there's a lot of things that line up there, >> but there's probably more than one
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person leaving that bar that night. >> Correct. Yeah. >> Well, now we have three stories. So,
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let's get to the fourth story. This is going to come to us by Tom New House. Not to be confused by Tom Old House, but
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this is the guy that was hiding in the bushes. Tom Newhouse is not introduced into this whole thing until around 1993.
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This is when a friend of Kevin Ives reaches out to Linda and he says that he knows a boy that's now 18 in 1993 uh
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that had seen some things that took place that night and he wanted to put her in contact with this boy. This boy
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didn't want to talk to anybody, but he thought that maybe if Linda talked to him that he would he would feel the urge
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to come forward with this information having meeting one of the one of the victims. So he puts the two of them in
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touch together. >> Well, meeting the victim's mother. >> Correct. And so Tom Tom tells this story
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that he is out the night that the boys are found and he was out with a couple of his friends. They were out in the
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area of the tracks and they were looking for marijuana plants and they were goofing around and just, you know, just
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kind of being out in the middle of the night, you know, doing weird stuff. >> Well, yeah. Well, and we kind of talked
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about this like when we're kids, the whole thing was especially around the summertime
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>> was you might if you could camp out in the backyard that you might go like do
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some pranks, right? You might toilet paper somebody's house, you might pee in somebody's mailbox, stuff like that. uh
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inappropriate, not nice stuff. But the the best was >> good for the toilet paper manufacturers,
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[laughter] >> right? Well, good and bad. Yeah. >> But uh but it was always weird to me is
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like you'd be walking to the neighborhood and you might have a couple buddies with you and then all of a
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sudden you see another group of people from your high school and they're out doing the same thing. Do that ever
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happen with you? >> Once happened once. >> Yeah. But it like freaks you out. So,
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kind of similar thing where you have this one group of boys out where we're not for sure what they're doing yet.
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They claim that they're hunting >> and then you got this other set of kids out and they're maybe looking for bot
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just kind of looking around. >> Yeah. Well, and you know what happens, Captain? If you're out at night and
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you're a kid in the dark and you see some lights, headlights or a light turn on, you what do you do? You duck and you
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hide. Mhm. >> And these kids, Tom and these other kids, they see Tom would have been 12 at
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the time >> and they see a light and they decide to duck down and they're going to kind of
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observe what's going on and they see three men on the tracks and he he very outwardly describes these guys as men.
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Uh, and during this time he also sees two other figures approaching. Now Tom and the other kids, they kind of move up
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and try to get a little closer to the situation to see what's going on. Now they're intrigued, right? And he sees
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that the men are trying to engage the other two figures. They're kind of calling out to them and telling them to
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come over and talk to them. >> This is the boy that we heard in the trailer. >> Correct. Yeah. And he says that the boys
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seem he describes these other two figures as as not grown men, as possible teenagers. He states that the teenagers
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didn't seem to be they didn't want to go over and talk to the men. They were very
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reluctant to do so. At some point though, they get must have been convinced to do so because then they
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start walking over towards the men. Now, at this point, Tom is ducking down and he's kind of hiding because he sees
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several flashlights at the time and he hears what he believes to be a gunshot go off.
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>> Like he said in the trailer, he kind of looked away. >> Mhm. And then but he also saw the flash
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of the gun. >> Saw the flash of light. Now he cannot say whether that gunfire came from the
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teenage boys or from the three men that he had already seen on the tracks. >> What he does say though is as soon as
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they hear that, him and his friends decide to take off and flee the area. >> Well, and the thing is that he
00:27:27
recognizes one of the guys on the tracks. >> Yes. And And why does he recognize one
00:27:32
of them? Well, I he claims that his mother was seeing an attorney in town. >> Mhm.
00:27:37
>> And that attorney was on the train tracks. >> And that man is Dan Harmon. And where do
00:27:43
we know that name from, Captain? Well, he was the prosecutor that we had talked about in episode one.
00:27:48
>> Uh that was involved in the case of the death of the two boys. >> So, get your head around this, right?
00:27:54
This is what we're saying, people. This is why this case is mind-blowing to me >> is that we have later years down years
00:28:04
down the line, right? >> In 1993, this stuff comes out, but years earlier, we have two boys that, you
00:28:12
know, mysteriously die on train tracks. >> They think it's a a traffic accident and
00:28:18
then they bring it to a grand jury and that's brought by this guy. Dan Harmon and he is the the lead
00:28:26
prosecutor and he's the one that's in charge of all the evidence and collecting all the evidence and getting
00:28:32
his hands wherever and years later comes out that oh he might have been on those
00:28:40
tracks. We have an eyewitness that states that it was in fact Dan Harmon that he could identify positively
00:28:46
identify him as Dan Harmon because he knew Dan Harmon. He had some he had a relationship with him. the man dated his
00:28:53
mother. >> And we also have another eyewitness that points to Dan as well. Yeah.
00:28:58
>> And we're going to get to her right after this quick beer break. [music] >> [music]
00:29:21
>> All right, we're back. >> And I know the story just took a bit of a twist there at the last part, but
00:29:27
>> yeah, it did. >> We're going to add to that twist a little bit by introducing a person by
00:29:32
the name of Charlene Wilson. Um, now this woman, she's in her 30s and she was known to be popular around town. Uh, but
00:29:41
this is this would take place years after the investigation into the deaths of the boys. And this is during an
00:29:49
investigation regarding criminal charges in an unrelated case. Uh, Charlene Wilson testified in front of a grand
00:29:59
jury to amongst other things. But the important thing here to our case is that amongst those other things, she
00:30:07
testified that she had dated Dan Harmon for some time. Now, this would have taken place in 1987, right? The same
00:30:14
year as the deaths, >> right? And to call a female popular, let's just go ahead and put it on the
00:30:19
table. Dan Harmon was also considered popular. >> Yes. Yes, he was. And uh during this
00:30:25
time, Dan Harmon, he was married. Um, and she said that they dated probably seven or [snorts] eight times during the
00:30:32
course of that year, but the two of them had snorted cocaine on several of those
00:30:37
occasions. >> Right. So, not only was Dan Harmon popular, but he was also what I'd like
00:30:42
to call [ __ ] [laughter] Yeah. Because you can't you can't have a girlfriend when you're
00:30:47
married or you shouldn't have a girlfriend when you're married. Well, the big [snorts] deal here, Captain, is
00:30:52
that not only does she say these things, but let's keep in mind, she's testifying
00:30:57
to this to these statements in front of a grand jury. So, this is a big deal. This is not like you just said it to
00:31:03
some news reporter or somebody on the street. No, this is now opening up a line of questioning that is probably
00:31:10
going to open up to a line of investigation about the person that you're talking about by saying that the
00:31:15
prosecutor, somebody that has been a prosecutor, was known to be using illegal drugs during the course of of
00:31:23
his tenure. >> Yeah, Dan is basically a cocoa. >> And this is going to lead us to a lot of
00:31:28
the other questions regarding Dan Harmon. Now, the police get involved here because after this statement in
00:31:34
front of the grand jury, they want to know more about not only Dan's drug use, but also this witness's drug use.
00:31:43
>> And they also want to know what else she may know about things that were going on
00:31:47
in the area around 1987 in 1988. So, when they question Charlene Wilson, they start off by providing her with two
00:31:56
prepared questionnaires. Um, and one of them is more directed toward Dan Harmon and the other is more directed towards
00:32:04
the deaths of Kevin and Dawn. Now, I'm going to read these for you. Uh, the first one starts off by asking, "Tell us
00:32:11
about your drug dealings with Dan Harmon." And Charlene responds, "He kept me high a lot. On occasion, I would make
00:32:19
specific drops to different areas for him. I got high with him a lot." The next question is, "If you were going to
00:32:26
conduct an investigation on Dan Harmon, how would you do it?" She states that she would go to his ex-wife Rebecca,
00:32:34
then he would then she would check his money background with a fine tooth comb. >> Mhm.
00:32:40
>> She then recommended going through drug task force records to see who they may
00:32:44
have let off during his time when he was in power, as well as payoffs and drug trades and things of that nature.
00:32:51
>> Mhm. They asked her to list the five most important causes that would have led Dan Harmon selling drugs and using
00:32:58
drugs. She states that it would be his family history. Also, letting people go that had enough money to buy him off
00:33:06
would have led to his drug use. Uh drugs being confiscated but not actually being
00:33:11
reported would be things that he might have been using or selling, right? >> And by letting big-time dealers off for
00:33:18
free. She also stated that it's common knowledge of his drug use and that had been common knowledge amongst many
00:33:24
people in his circle for years. They asked her to write in detail one drug deal that that she had conducted with
00:33:31
Dan Harmon. >> Now, now this is going to be a little difficult because like she said, I mean,
00:33:36
she was high a lot of the time. >> Yes. And I imagine that there were probably more than one drug dealings
00:33:42
that she was involved with with Dan Harmon, but she's going to give the answer to one of those. And the one that
00:33:48
she states is one that took place at a place called Lee Beastro Club. Uh she says Dan Harmon was there as well as
00:33:55
Roger Clinton and herself. She said that this took place on a weekend night and that they had met there in a parking lot
00:34:02
and did a cocaine exchange. The next question she's asked, "Do you know who else deals drugs with Dan
00:34:09
Harmon?" And now they've they've pulled this information from this questionnaire
00:34:14
because she's naming other people here, but she does name at least four other men. The next question is, while filling
00:34:21
out this form, what were your emotions? And she states that she was scared, but she was also ready to come clean. She's
00:34:28
worried about what Dan may find out that she is saying about him. Now, in the second question here, as I said, is more
00:34:34
related to the deaths of the boys. And it starts off by saying, "Tell us what you know about the circumstances that
00:34:41
might have led to the deaths of Don Henry and Kevin Ives." She states that she feels that Dan Harmon has more
00:34:48
knowledge of the two boys deaths than he is ever told. In late summer and in August, she says that she drove with
00:34:55
Harmon to Alexander to meet with, she assumes, a man named Keith McKascal to make a pickup. Now, she says this would
00:35:04
have been around the time of the two boys deaths. They ask her to write in detail what happened on August 22nd,
00:35:11
1987. From the time that she got up until the time she went to bed that evening, she states that she got up, she
00:35:18
did some coke and crystal mixed. I guess that she says that's called highballing.
00:35:23
Uh she cleaned up the house, left, and went off to find some more drugs. Later that afternoon, Dan wanted to show her a
00:35:30
house and they went in his car and they looked at a house in Alexander. When they came back to her house, she
00:35:37
said she ate something and put on some makeup. Dan then asked her to take a ride back out to Alexander with him and
00:35:44
he asked her to pull down the old Corey road and she he told her to wait in the car. He gets out and he leaves. She
00:35:52
states that she stayed in the vehicle and she got high a while while she was waiting for him to come back. She said
00:35:58
he suddenly then comes back shouting, "Let's go." They hop in the vehicle and they head back to her place and that's
00:36:04
when she is told to take a shower. Um he's she's asking him if there's anything wrong. He's saying there's
00:36:10
nothing wrong. Uh [snorts] that they spent some time together that evening. He took a shower. She went to bed and he
00:36:16
left. >> Well, he had to go back to his wife's house. Well, the final question on this
00:36:21
questionnaire is they ask her, "Do you have any reason to be afraid of answering any of these questions?" And
00:36:27
she states simply, "Yes, I do because Dan Harmon does not like me." In 1993, this would be in May. Uh, by this point,
00:36:36
Dan Harmon has been charged with some drug possession charges, and he is currently awaiting trial. Now, I think I
00:36:44
think some of this is going to come to light here, Captain, because I think that at this point, Charlene Wilson
00:36:50
might feel that she might be safe from Dan Harmon because he's facing these charges and he could potentially be
00:36:55
going to prison, >> right? >> Uh but in in an interview with the state police department, she states that she
00:37:04
knows quite a bit more about the night that the boys were killed. >> Oh, now it's getting kind of juicy.
00:37:08
>> This is a statement given to Detective Brown. Charlene said that she had been
00:37:14
with Dan Harmon and Keith McCascal the night that the boys had been killed. She went with them to the train tracks. She
00:37:21
said that when they arrived, there were two other men that were there as well. But all these men seemed to be agitated
00:37:27
because there was a small band of kids that had tried to rip off the drop. See, now they were going there because there
00:37:35
was going to be this drug drop. They were expecting to get 3 to four pounds of coke and five pounds of weed.
00:37:42
>> Well, and and like we said, there was drops that were made from trains, but also possible that the planes would come
00:37:48
in and stop in a field, make a drop, and then fly to the airport. >> Mhm. Now, she said that when the men got
00:37:55
there, they stumbled upon these boys that were apparently trying to rip them off.
00:38:00
>> And what had happened was they chased after the boys and they got away. Now, she said that they caught two of them
00:38:07
and they were brought back to the tracks. This was Kevin Ives and Don Henry. >> Uh she said that when the boys arrived,
00:38:15
one of them was already deceased at that point. She then claimed that Keith McCascal killed the other.
00:38:22
>> Uh no, no, no, no, no. She's lying. She's lying. That's not the whole story. >> It's not the whole story, but it's it's
00:38:28
also not the end of the story. So, she would actually give multiple confessions to what had happened to the boys.
00:38:35
>> Of course, she would. >> So, well, we kind of see it with that first part with the questionnaire,
00:38:39
right? She kind of leads on that she and Dan Harmon know more about the boy's death than what Dan Harmon is willing to
00:38:46
admit that he knows. And apparently is more than what she's willing to admit to knowing during filling out that
00:38:51
questionnaire. Now, when she gives her second statement, this to Detective Brown, she now states that she one of
00:38:58
the boys is dead. She knows exactly what had happened to them. One of the boys is
00:39:02
dead when she's at the tracks and the other boy is killed in front of her by Keith McKascal.
00:39:08
>> Well, we see another confession from her. And one thing I do want to point out here though, Captain, is you know,
00:39:13
we've talked about this a lot. When we see multiple confessions from people, usually the stories can change change
00:39:19
drastically. >> That's not what takes place with Charlene Wilson. No, with Charlene
00:39:25
Wilson, basically what I think we get, Captain, is we I think we get the story, you know, we get the tip of the iceberg
00:39:31
with her with that questionnaire. Then we get pretty much the whole story, right? She's filling us in on more
00:39:37
things. Now, this this last, let's call it confession. It's basically the same story as the
00:39:44
second with one little twist in there. >> Okay. >> Okay. And the twist being that she
00:39:49
actually stabbed one of the boys. >> I knew it. I knew it. >> She said that she was quite high at the
00:39:56
time. Um, >> coked out of her mind. >> She had been hanging out with Dan Harmon most of the evening.
00:40:01
>> Coke and fizz. That's what they call it. >> Doing coke and sex. >> She said that after the boys were
00:40:07
attacked, the one was already dead and the one was near death. That the the men that were there, they were they were
00:40:14
telling her to stab the boy. >> Well, yeah. Because their thought process there is if she is a right now
00:40:21
she's just a witness. >> Mhm. >> And she's basically accomplice but she can get away with that.
00:40:27
>> Yeah. >> But if she stabs one of the boys, >> she's guilty. >> Then she's also a murderer.
00:40:32
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> And that's why they wanted her to stab the other boy. >> Yeah. She she would be guilty as a
00:40:37
witness, but now she's guilty as a as a conspirator to murder. >> Mhm. >> Um so she does admit to stabbing one of
00:40:44
the boys in the back. Um she does >> right. Right. And we have the evidence >> of the stab hole.
00:40:51
>> And so that's basically her confessions to to that evening. Well, that really to
00:40:58
me, we've pointed out quite a bit of other stories regarding that night that all kind of have some loose parts to
00:41:05
them, but once you factor in Charlene Wilson's statement that she gives, >> she's kind of the glue.
00:41:11
>> She's the glue kind of binding everything together. So, I think we need to kind of using these stories, we we
00:41:17
should be able to kind of walk through a timeline for the evening of August 23rd,
00:41:23
1987. >> Yeah. I mean, she's the glue that's made out of mainly cocaine. >> So, we'll start off with the boys,
00:41:30
right? Kevin Ies and Don Henry. Well, we've pointed out that if if we take into account everyone's statements that
00:41:36
were given to the police, and let's say we believe every statement that was given to the police. Well, this kind of
00:41:43
points out that maybe the boys might not have been going out that night to actually go hunting. They might been
00:41:49
involved in something else. Regardless, they went out that night. We know they went out that night. This would be
00:41:54
between 12:30 and 100 a.m. They leave the house saying that they're going to go hunting. Mhm.
00:42:01
>> Well, we now have eyewitness accounts of other people being at the tracks that
00:42:07
night. >> Yeah. And so the assumption here is that Kevin and Don got this plan in their
00:42:13
head >> that, you know, we buy pot and we don't have much money, but we know some guys
00:42:20
that actually sell some stuff where we can make a bunch of money off of it. So, if we could intercept one of these, you
00:42:27
know, I'm not saying that these these kids wanted to try cocaine. I'm saying that it's probably more likely that
00:42:33
they're like, you know what, if we could get some cocaine and we probably know some people that would buy it, we could
00:42:39
make some quick cash. >> Mhm. >> And we wouldn't even have to put any money up front because we're just
00:42:43
intercepting a drop. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, there's there's some proof that they might have been looking
00:42:49
to purchase cocaine or to to distribute it to other people to make some cash. Um, and if that's if that in fact is
00:42:57
true and they did stumble into a situation where they overhear this big-time drug dealer that they keep
00:43:04
referring to as talking about a drop, then maybe this is some kind of plan that they devised.
00:43:10
>> Do you think the big-time drug dealer that they were talking about was uh Dan
00:43:16
Yes, I actually do. Um, and whether they knew him by name or knew it to be Dan Harmon, I don't know. But I think that
00:43:24
there might have been people that talked about this big time drug lord, this big
00:43:28
time >> big time play big time. >> Um, the thing here is the the reason being is if if he's at the drop, I don't
00:43:36
see why he's not the big time guy. You know, you know the way these things work, you usually have one, it's like a
00:43:42
pyramid scheme. You have one guy that's doing pulling in a lot of the product. He's distributing it to a couple people
00:43:48
who distribute it to a few more people and the the it gets bigger as you go down the pyramid there and it spreads
00:43:54
out the money and most of the money goes to the top there. And we're talking about a drop if we believe Charlene
00:44:01
Wilson here. We're talking about a drug drop of she says 3 to four pounds of cocaine.
00:44:07
>> [ __ ] >> And 5 lbs of weed. That sounds like a pretty decent drop to me, right? I don't
00:44:12
know much about drug drops. >> Drug drops. >> Raindrops. Drop tops. >> But we also have Charlene Wilson's
00:44:19
statement saying that she was at the tracks that night with Dan Harmon, Keith McKascal, and a man by the name of Larry
00:44:26
Rochelle. Now, who are these other two guys? So, Keith McCascal, he is a local bartender. He works at one of those
00:44:34
places up by the county line, and he's [clears throat] he's a pretty well-known bartender as well. He's he's a guy
00:44:39
that's known to be a bit rough around the edges. He's known to be a drug user as well as a distributor.
00:44:45
>> He's also a burly guy. Right >> now, I don't know much about this Larry Rochelle guy. Um, but what I'm kind of
00:44:52
assuming here, Captain, is that I think this Keith McKascal is involved with moving drugs for Dan Harmon. And this
00:45:00
Larry Rochelle is probably involved in the same thing. >> Maybe this Larry guy is Shady Jerry.
00:45:06
>> It's a possibility. >> You know what I like where he's like, "Uh, who's who's your friend?" Uh, not
00:45:12
not Larry. Jerry. >> Yeah. Yeah. But I don't think that Larry I don't think that Larry's going to come
00:45:18
forward and fess up to anything when he's involved in a murder. >> Or maybe a way to tell a story to cover
00:45:25
his own ass. >> Well, we got to stay clear about this because now we have the two teenage
00:45:29
boys. We have Don and Kevin at the tracks. And we also have Dan Harmon, Keith McKascal, and Larry Rochelle. Now,
00:45:37
we know some of these players here because we have two eyewitness statements. We have Charlene Wilson
00:45:43
stating that Dana Harmon, Keith McCascal, and Larry Rochelle are at the tracks. We also have we also have Tom
00:45:50
Newhouse who's hiding in the bushes nearby witnessing this event take place. Now, there are some statements that say
00:45:58
that that other boy that we talk about later, Keith Cooney, might have been one of the boys in the bushes with Tom New
00:46:05
House. Now, the situation here is New House witnesses these guys interact with each other. There seems to be some kind
00:46:12
of disagreement. He hears the gunshot go off and then the two teenagers flee. At
00:46:18
this same time, we have Tom Newhouse who flees as well. Shortly after that, we have Don Henry and Kevin Ives who are
00:46:27
seen near the store near Shrobe Road. Now, this is with the uh Keith Cooney as well. He states that he was there with
00:46:35
the boys. >> So, we have Keith Cooney statement stating this and he says that two police
00:46:40
officers pull up and at this point that Keith takes off. Now, we also have the other two eyewitnesses.
00:46:47
This is your buddy Shady Jerry. Now, he's there. He says that he sees two police officers. He also sees one boy
00:46:55
take off on a motorcycle and two remaining teenage boys. We also have Ronnie Godwin's story who basically says
00:47:03
about the same thing. We have these two eyewitnesses that state that they see police officers beating up kids and
00:47:10
throwing them in the back of a vehicle. Mhm. >> Now, through these statements, one thing
00:47:15
that we learn, we do learn who these officers are because of descriptions given as well as names given during some
00:47:23
of these statements. And these [clears throat] officers are Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane. And they work
00:47:28
for the Palaski County Sheriff's Office. So, now we got more we got more characters here.
00:47:35
>> Well, let's just stop right there, right? So, you know, look, some sometimes I get, you know, hate mail
00:47:41
saying, we don't need to recap. Hey, sometimes we do. >> There's a lot going on right now.
00:47:47
>> So, here it is. These boys go out to the woods. We're assuming that maybe instead
00:47:52
of hunting that they're trying to get in on a drop so that they possibly could get the drugs, maybe sell the drugs. Who
00:48:00
knows? >> Yeah, they're going to do a Robin Hood move. They they've they've identified
00:48:04
some bad guys. They found a way that they could make some money off of this. They're going to intercept these drugs
00:48:10
and sell them off to their friends, >> right? And again, they're 16 and 17, so I think some of it is just like you you
00:48:17
make some weird decisions. I don't even want to say bad decisions. You sometimes
00:48:22
it's just a weird decision. >> So anyways, they go out there, there's some kind of confrontation, they jet,
00:48:29
they leave. >> Mhm. >> Then they meet up with their friends. So now they're back at the store and
00:48:33
there's three of them. Mhm. >> And then guess who rolls up the police officers. Now what we do know is if Dan
00:48:39
Harmon was there that you know he's a prosecutor or he becomes a prosecutor after this event.
00:48:45
>> He knows people of power, he's in a position of power. >> And if he's the big- time drug dealer,
00:48:52
he is a position of power, >> right? And he probably has people working for him within the system and
00:48:59
out of the system. And so it's not like, you know, if these cops did what the eyewitnesses claimed that they they did,
00:49:08
they were working for Dan Harmon. >> Yes, you're exactly right. And what what takes place here, we don't know. We
00:49:14
can't figure out if the police officers, if these two sheriff officers, if they intended to kill the boys, if they were
00:49:22
told to kill the boys, but they were certainly told to go out and catch these boys, right? you know, go find these
00:49:27
guys that that stumbled upon our our operation here and bring them back to me. You know, they bring these boys back
00:49:34
to the tracks. And at that point, this is where Charlene Wilson's statement carries through, stating that one of the
00:49:41
boys was dead by that time. >> Probably the one that was, you know, beat in the face.
00:49:46
>> Yes. He was he was hit in the face with with the either the gun or a telephone
00:49:51
receiver or both. And it could have been as simple as the orders were bring these
00:49:55
guys back to me and then when they tried to apprehend these boys, it got out of control because the boys knew what they
00:50:02
were going to head back to, >> right? >> They're heading back to a a drug boss. And if you don't know much about it, all
00:50:09
you then would know is Hollywood. >> Mhm. >> So then you have to deal with the images of you have from Hollywood,
00:50:19
right? So you'd be scared out of your mind. So, you're going to fight for your life. The boys are then brought back to
00:50:25
the tracks and according to Charlene Wilson, that's when the second boy is killed. Um, whether it be from Keith
00:50:32
McKascal or whether it be from her stabbing him, but then they place the boys on the tracks so that their bodies
00:50:39
are destroyed and all the evidence would be destroyed as well. >> Well, that's five key players in this.
00:50:46
And I would I would say, you know, to me that all five of those players are involved in the death.
00:50:55
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. There there's some moving parts here that that we don't have um we
00:51:02
don't have a solid statement that locks them into this timeline for the entirety
00:51:07
of the timeline because we have this Keith McKascal. He's a bit of a He's a bit of a rogue situation here, right,
00:51:15
Captain? We don't know if he was actually at the tracks from the start to the finish of this because there is a
00:51:22
statement that says that Keith Cooney had went and and told Keith McKascal what he had seen at the tracks and that
00:51:31
he had fled from some police officers and that Macascal then went down to the railroad tracks. The only person that
00:51:39
states that McKascal was there is Wilson who says that she didn't see him until the time that the boys were brought
00:51:45
back. >> Right. >> So my question here is I got a little bit of a question with this mascal. But
00:51:50
you're exactly right. These are the five key players. But you know, did he only show up for the second portion of this?
00:51:56
>> Mhm. >> Or was he one of the three men that Tom New House saw on the tracks? Because the
00:52:03
situation I think is what what is more likely is that both of those officers might have been there with this Larry
00:52:09
Rochelle and Dan Harmon as a form of protection for this drop. You know, maybe you leave one officer in the car
00:52:17
because New House only saw three guys on the tracks. You leave one guy in the car
00:52:21
to keep it as a lookout and the other officer walks along with you as a form of protection. That's the only thing
00:52:28
that makes sense to me other than maybe because they can't make a radio call saying these two guys inter interrupted
00:52:34
our our drop. Go catch our drug deal. Yeah. Yeah. So our drug drop. Yeah. >> Right. So I don't know if I don't know
00:52:41
if Keith McKascal was actually involved in the murder or if he stumbled upon it later and then was terrified because he
00:52:49
was dealing drugs for Dan Harmon and didn't want to throw him under the bus because Dan Harmon had a lot of a lot of
00:52:55
stuff on him. Well, and on top of that, you just you have two dead bodies. You're going to go run in your mouth
00:53:02
after you saw, you know, two dead bodies. >> So, even if you didn't get there till
00:53:07
after they're dead, then at that point, you're you're maybe not talking because you're
00:53:14
>> Well, he he wouldn't be talking if he's dealing for Dan Harmon is my guess. If
00:53:18
he's working for Dan Harmon as a drug dealer, >> right? But some people are drug dealers
00:53:23
and not murderers, >> right? And that's that's why I'm I'm bringing up Keith McKascal because I
00:53:29
don't I'm not convinced that he was there for the actual murder of these boys, right? I'm stating that it very
00:53:34
clear he could have just stumbled upon the end result while the men were still there. And because he was dealing drugs
00:53:42
for Dan Harmon and he was caught up in this drug ring, he didn't come forward with information.
00:53:47
>> Well, and maybe it sounds stupid, you know, but you got five adults here. got two
00:53:53
teenage boys that, like I said, making a weird decision. Maybe a dumb decision. You know, ultim ultimately they paid the
00:54:00
price for it. >> You know, we're going to go out into the woods. If it wasn't just for hunting, if
00:54:06
it was to disrupt a drug drop, then that that's a very bad decision, you know. >> Yeah.
00:54:12
>> Um if you're just going out and hunting, wrong place at the wrong time, right?
00:54:16
Mhm. >> And uh you saw some things that you shouldn't have seen, but it seems like
00:54:20
there's a lot of weight that they were planning to do this, >> but they're teenage boys,
00:54:26
>> 16 and 17 years old, >> and you got these adults that are some in the system, some out of the system.
00:54:33
They're just doing it for [ __ ] money anyways, >> right? >> And so, and and I and maybe these guys,
00:54:39
like I said, there's a big difference between a drug dealer and a murderer. But then once these guys thought they
00:54:44
were caught, they had to do something about these boys and they and they chose, I think, to
00:54:51
murder them or knock him unconscious cuz the one that was beat in the face could
00:54:58
have, you know, you know, drifted off into a coma for all we know and then they lay him on the tracks. Doesn't
00:55:04
matter that there's a train coming. He's not waking up >> from that, you know, and they might not
00:55:10
have been fully dead by the time the trains hit them. >> I I think it's most likely that they
00:55:17
were, >> but either way, it's murder. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. And and I agree with you. I think it's most likely that they
00:55:24
were in fact dead when they were placed on the tracks. We have Wilson's statement, Charlene Wilson's statement,
00:55:30
saying that she believed both boys to be dead when they were placed on the tracks. This also goes along with
00:55:36
something we talked about in the first episode with the EMTs, what they what they thought about the blood as well as
00:55:41
the train crew, right? Who were avid hunters that when they saw the blood of these boys, it was not bright red,
00:55:48
right? >> It was not flowing. This blood wasn't, you know, it had they been killed while
00:55:52
they were unconscious on the tracks, their their heart would have been pumping seconds before they were run
00:55:58
over. This would have caused the blood to flow. This would have meant more blood evidence everywhere at that scene.
00:56:04
There was a lot less blood than anybody with a trained eye expected to see and it also was not the color that they
00:56:11
expected to see. It was purplish in color. It did not look to be fresh blood. >> Right? So, we have these five adults,
00:56:17
but we also have these people, like I said, of power, people that are in the system. And that's what's so crazy
00:56:23
because then, you know, once they rule it at accidental death, which is probably ruled at accidental death
00:56:30
because of the people that Dan Harmon knew, >> right? >> And so they can get this ruling and then
00:56:36
all of a sudden when it when all this new information starts coming to light and we're going to bring it in front of
00:56:40
grand jury, guess what lawyer volunteers his services? He rises to the occasion and he throws himself in the middle of
00:56:48
the investigation. not only throws himself in there, but he's going to be being the guy that's steering and
00:56:54
directing the grand jury. And on top of that, he has the power. He's going to use the grand jury like his own set of
00:57:02
bodyguards. He's going to basically run a racketeering operation and a blackmailing operation through this
00:57:10
grand jury. He can now subpoena whoever he wants in the area, >> bring them in for questioning, submit
00:57:17
them to questions to find out what they know, what they do or don't know, who they've talked to,
00:57:23
>> and he can he can sift through the dirt, man. He can sift through the dirt and
00:57:27
see what rises to the top to find out what people know and maybe who he needs to shut up.
00:57:32
>> Right. But who's this lawyer's name? >> Well, this is Dan Harmon. >> Right. Right. Right. Once a prosecutor,
00:57:38
twice a prosecutor, but clearly always a drug dealer >> and always a douche canoe.
00:57:44
>> And he's got two sheriffs, at least two sheriffs that we know of that are on the
00:57:47
take. He's got drug dealers working for him. He's created his own little web, his own little operation. And he's done
00:57:55
it all under the watchful eye of of the local police. >> Well, and I've never heard of a story
00:58:01
where Okay, one accidental death. You know, that's what it's they claim it's Axel Don death. Oh, it's not. Now we got
00:58:08
to bring it to trial. Who brings it to trial? Dan Harmon. Years later, who's one of the number one suspects in the
00:58:15
actual murder? Dan Harmon. >> Mhm. >> I've never heard of that ever. I mean, it's freaking mindblowing. And we're
00:58:21
just we're just getting warmed up. I mean I mean, we should call part three of four should just be called death.
00:58:32
Death. That's what she'd be called. >> Yes, we certainly got so much more to get to. We'll get to that next week. We
00:58:37
got more evidence. We got more crimes being committed. We're just getting started.
00:58:42
>> Ray, what's our recommended reading for the week? >> Recommended reading this week. I'm
00:58:45
excited about this one, Captain. It's called Dark Spell: Surviving the Sentence. Uh, this is by one of my
00:58:52
favorite and I believe one of the very best true crime authors out there, Mara Lever. In this story, Dark Spell, it's
00:58:58
about Jason Baldwin. Most of you will know him from the West Memphis 3. Uh she's written about them before. This is
00:59:05
kind of continuing on in the case. So, if you're like me and you always want to read more about the West Memphis 3, pick
00:59:11
up Dark Spell, Surviving the Sentence by Mara Leett, you can do that by going to
00:59:15
our website, true crimegar.com. You click on the recommended page and you can pick things up through our Amazon
00:59:21
banner. And real quick before we go here, Captain, we have something to talk about regarding iTunes and and the
00:59:27
episodes. We've had a little trouble. Okay. So, all we do is we we have a host and then our host sends it to iTunes.
00:59:33
And sometimes it's just been coming up that there's an error. Sometimes we get it. Sometimes it's a download error.
00:59:41
>> We're not really for sure. All we can do is do a request. Sometimes our host says, "Oh, well, we did something
00:59:46
wrong." Sometimes that it's on iTunes in and it's it's very frustrating and it it
00:59:51
basically keeps me up a bunch of times. But also, every time that we add an episode
00:59:57
>> Mhm. uh it knocks off uh normally West Memphis 3 part one >> and so I have to go back in and add it
01:00:07
and sometimes I forget to so when it disappears it's because I forgot to and just give me a day or so and I'll fix
01:00:13
it. Yeah, the the pro we pro we apologize for the troubles and for the frustration but it's just equally as
01:00:20
frustrating on our end. We are aware of the issue. We've reported the issue many, many times and it is in their
01:00:27
hands now. >> Yeah. And I like to send them a bunch of video chat messages of me just
01:00:31
screaming, "I'm I'm going to put you in your face. Fix it. Fix it now." Anyways,
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thanks for sharing. Every time somebody shares it on social media, it just it fills my heart. An angel gets its wings.
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>> My my heart gets all gooey. All right, much love to you. And until next week,
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be good, be kind, and don't litter. [music] [music] [music]