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talk some true crime [Music] it's been well over a decade since two Collier County men were last seen in
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fact this week will Mark 17 years to the day that anyone has seen Terrence Williams Law Enforcement is still
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actively on the hunt to piece together the mysterious disappearances of both men 23-year-old Philipe Santos was the
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first to go missing in October of 2003 after Santos got into an early morning fender bender Collier County Deputy
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Steve Caulkins was dispatched to the intersection of a Mia Road and Airport Pulling road instead of leaving him
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abandoned alongside of the road caulin says this is what he told investigators that he did the young man a favor
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according to detective O'Neal who has worked this case O'Neal says he meaning Caulkins drives him about A4 Mile East
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of to convenience store where caulin says he issued him three citations and allows him to use a phone and according
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to Caulkins is the last time that he sees Mr Santos it's also the last time anyone saw Philipe
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Santos now fast forward 3 months to January 2004 that's when Terrence Williams ran into some car problems and
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encounters Deputy Caulkins it's unclear exactly what trans fired because officer
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Caan's recollection of these events have changed several times according to his statements again back to detective
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O'neal He says quote Witnesses tell us that there was an exchange a conversation between Caulkins and
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Williams nothing alarming but Mr Williams was placed in the back of Caulkins patrol car and just like
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Philipe Santos that was the last time anyone saw 27-year-old Terrence Williams Collier
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County Sheriff's Department have been very transparent about this situation and I applaud them for that we have
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detective Kevin O'Neal on the record saying quote the facts the testimony and what happened keeps bringing us back to
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one person Steve Caulkins yeah cuz in all these cases we have eyewitnesses that are not uh connected to the
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individuals they have no dog in the fight like you'd say well and in this case the Collier County Sheriff's
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Department they have a big dog in the fight one of their own is being looked at for potential involvement in The
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Disappearance of two young men a big [ __ ] in the fight and that's why I think it's important that they've been
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transparent and they've investigated their own here they've investigated Steven Caulkins we have so many
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situations where we talk about theories and conspiracy theories of police coverups and so on and so forth but that
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does not seem to be the situation here we have again detective O'Neal on the record saying most of his meaning Steve
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Caulkins accounts are troubling to any investigator who looks at the case because there are inconsistencies in his
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stories we have three agencies at one point that were actively working this case a good that gives you a good little
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checks and balances there all three agencies were pleading with the public to reach back into their minds and let
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them know anything that could help bring this case to the next level detective O'Neal again quote if they saw an
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interaction between a patrol car and a citizen back then in a wooded area a parking lot the back of a business
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something that is just not normal we want to hear from you anybody that wants to look into this case on their own I
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think a good starting place would be the Charlie project and that's the Charlie project org you can go to their website
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and that's Charlie CH h a ly project.org there's a very good page for each individual with some detailed specific
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information on both of these missing persons cases for both Philipe Santos and Terrence Williams well I think the
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tough thing here is that you have law enforcement what are they signing up for to protect and serve but we have these
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two men that go missing and the last person known to be with the men are law enforcement that
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are supposed to protect and serve these individuals so what would be his motive to get rid of these guys or make these
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guys disappear that's a very good question question And in regards to the Public's assistance in helping law
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enforcement with this case we as well as others are asking that you contact these
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different agencies but one of them includes the Coler County Sheriff's Office and people would say well why
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would I want to call them they're probably you know one of their own might be responsible for why these two are
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missing again I think they're doing good work here they have recognized and observed this to be a
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problem that one of their own is a problem they do not trust his own words they do not trust what he is saying to
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them in fact they let him go and this was in rather short order as well we have these individuals go missing
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between October 2003 and 2004 January 2004 and it's August of 2004 that they fire him from the sheriff's department
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now this is a guy Caulkins as much as we he's got no friends here in this garage
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he had a pretty squeaky clean record up to that point and I think that's why when they looked at him in this Santos
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missing person's case and cleared him you're going okay that makes sense he's been on the force at this point for 17
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years completely clean record he doesn't have a A History of Violence he doesn't
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have uh incident reports one after another no this was on pap appears to be a good cop for 17 years in fact he has
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uh awards for saving lives during that time right right we don't have people in the community coming out and saying hey
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we think he donkey balls crazy or there's some reports of him getting in bar fights or that he has a short temper
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or anything or that he's even rough with people that he's arrested there's just really no reports of that well and you
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have an easy route to saying okay well Santos is either flying under the radar because he wants to avoid these charges
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or he went back to Mexico right then we also have the added situation later now Caulkins is never cleared in Williams
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case in fact Terrence Williams case really stirs everything up again as far as the Santos case goes and now he's
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being looked at for both but in Williams case Steve Caulkins is going to tell us
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all look I'm innocent of this I didn't do anything to either of these guys other than give them a ride and both of
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these dudes have reasons to not surface they both have reasons to run and hide Santos may be back to Mexico who knows
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but Terence Williams remember we mentioned that he was from Tennessee moved down to Florida to be close to his
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mother he is a father and he has working two jobs because he's trying to keep up
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with child support he's the father of four and and unfortunately for those four children even in 2004 Terence Williams
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had fallen well behind on that child support in fact he was in the rear so much I think it was like5
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$6,000 at that point once he goes missing and this could be another kinky dink but two days later there's a
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warrant out for his arrest because he's got all this back child support that needs to be paid
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so he has he has reasons for ducking the law as well and we don't know if he knew
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that was coming right he would know that he's behind he may not know that they're
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getting ready to file anything on him now that's a long way of saying that I believe that the Coler County Sheriff's
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department has done their due diligence in looking at one of their own they let him go he was fired from the Department
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they did some other sneaky things that I really like here Captain you know how sneaky we like to be right they put a
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GPS tracking device on his patrol car well that's a good start unbeknownst to officer Caulkins yeah hold on there
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should be GPS on all their cars because let's say there was right you're signing
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up to Serve and Protect you take these individuals to quote unquote a Circle K the GPS proves it so why wouldn't you
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want one on your car just a same reason why we should have body cameras on every
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police officer it backs up whatever story that you have correct but you're also stating that 17 years right right
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right after the fact technology wasn't what it is today back then so but they had GPS back then but they didn't on
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their vehicles and so they put this just like if if they were surveilling you for
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involvement in something or if they thought you were involved in something they can they will sneak and put all
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right we got a search warrant for your truck well well let's put this little device on his truck and be able to
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monitor where he's going why do they want to do that with Caulkins one probably just for the fact that you're
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worried he might do something else well I was just going to say that you know I was a suspect in the floppy dong murders
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but two you want to know if he did do something terrible if he did off one or both of these missing individuals yeah
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and place them somewhere well can we get on record him going off to some remote location we know how these guys like to
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return to the scene or check on what they left or what they hid that never happened they put the device on his
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patrol car um I'm wonder I I don't know for certain if they were able to do this
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with his civilian vehicle as well but they never had him going off into some strange location or some wooded area or
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remote area where they would be able to find the remains of either one of these individuals yeah looking at this case
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early on I I wondered if this officer had any kind of like fishing Hobbies or hunting hobbies that maybe he would have
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locations that he could dispose of bodies so I saw news report and it was very it was a little Troublesome but I I
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don't know I don't have enough information for it to totally weird me out but in
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2012 law enforcement was searching this wooded area near that Wiggins Pass road which would not be terribly far from
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where he says that he dropped off Terrence Williams at the the Circle K uhhuh and the lead in for the story that
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they're telling on the news is that long enforcement searching this area because
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it was a known their words a known hangout of Officer Caulkins seemed like a bizarre now I don't know what's going on
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in that area right like you said maybe maybe this is a fishing hole or maybe there's reason for him to have hung out
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in that area they didn't go into any but it looked like an area that nobody goes
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to right which is bizarre now yeah but sometimes with these Patrol officers they have these little spots that they
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go to to you know do paperwork or or whatever it is when I worked at a studio we were kind of in the middle of nowhere
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and we had a very long drive uh driveway and constantly Sheriff Patrol officers were back in that drive filling out
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paperwork or maybe taking their lunch break or whatever yes I know that spot that's a nice peaceful spot and I know
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of bars that I've worked at in the past where we would tell officers if you need
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somewhere to park to to do your paperwork or what have you feel free to park behind the bar any hour you know
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law enforcement presence here is not uh a bad thing yeah the only bad thing is when a week later the son of a [ __ ]
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catches you for speeding and you're like hey buddy we give you a place to park all the time you can't let me go thought
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we were friends bro I thought I thought we thought we were friends I thought we were cool we you to give free coffee to
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all the officers at the gas station too that it's nice to have them coming in and out yeah okay so Captain what we
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have here is let's go down this road of the investigation that the colier County
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Sheriff's Office did on one of their own and we have some audio clips that we will get to but one of these clips
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actually all these clips are very important but the the first one that I'd like to talk about is we have dispatch
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calling officer Caulkins at his home he's at home on his day off they're calling him just days after Terence
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Williams was last seen days after this incident where he encounters Terence Williams says he takes him to a Circle K
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gas station and then later toes this 1984 white Cadillac when he's called at home by Dispatch he's he can't remember
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anything he can't remember anything at all dispatch is calling his house because Williams mother has tracked down
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remember she located the vehicle figured out that Caan's name was on the toe Bill
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and now she's on the phone with the Coler County Sheriff's Office wanting to know what their interaction was with her
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son and where her son may be right and was he charged with anything so dispatch is going hey hey dick clown what
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happened hello hi this is Kathy and dispat is Step well yes I know he's a little nuddy
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but he's here hold [Applause] on well Steve yeah I hate to bother you at home on your day off but This Woman's
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been bothering us all day you t a car from Vanderbilt 111th Monday a Cadillac you remember
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it do you remember she said it was near the cemetery Cemetery any if the people at
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the cemetery are telling her you put somebody in the back of your vehicle and arrested them and I don't show you
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arresting anybody I never arrested nobody that's what I thought okay I got to think about this
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in for a while but you're sure nobody was with that vehicle was around 12:30 in the
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afternoon Jesus I can't be my age huh damn what do they want oh well the somebody at the cemetery is telling the
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mother that you picked up the driver and he's been missing since Monday sake and I said he didn't ask
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anybody so she keeps calling and well there's got to be some way you can get a hold of them she's in I think she spoke
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to him he just said in here today anyway I was trying to figure out what color the Cadillac was I forgot I
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got it right in front of me you Pi it up at [Applause] 1227 I'm Vanderbilt at 111 and Co came
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and got it a large white Cadillac large white Cadillac I got to look it up in my
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notes I don't remember God Almighty but you sure you didn't you sure there was no one with
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it no okay I would think it would have something in your screen if you took them to anybody to the jail no I ain't
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arrested nobody in a long okay all right okay sorry that's okay I just want to make sure I'll get in my
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note notepad and see if I can come up with something for you okay thank you Dar bye bye
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[Applause] bye this party has privacy director and does not accept unidentified call at the
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T say your name or the company represent when you have finished please press one your county sheriff's office now
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trying to connect please hold please hello hi this is um yes I talk to Deputy cins m and he
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did not pick anybody up with that vehicle he did not he did not okay there was nobody there when he had that
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vehicle sold okay we knew that he didn't pick him up but someone picked him up the people at the
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cemetery said that they saw a police officer in a CER County Sheriff's Department car put him in the car and
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take him away okay if there was an officer out there there's over 900 officers here we'd have to have a car
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number to know who it was there's no way I can find out if somebody gave him a ride somewhere you shouldn't even do it
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by uh no I can't go through 900 deputies history for Monday no I was about to say
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when I called is this sub station one they said that the way you could track him would be the report at the street he
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was picked up on there was no report taken that's what I'm telling you there is no report taken from that area on
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Monday no one picked him up so whoever is telling you this is either giving you wrong information or it's not the same
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person okay okay thanks you're welcome one thing that stands out on that call from dispatch to Steve
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Caulkins at his home immediately is he doesn't really answer any of the questions this is what I want people to
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focus on when they're thinking about that call every question that he's asked did you arrest someone do you remember a
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Cadillac do you remember this going on just a few days ago to each question he says no he's not saying no I mean at
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some point yes he does outwardly say no I didn't arrest anyone but in most of those instance he's not saying no no as
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his answer he's saying no almost as he doesn't recall he doesn't remember and this is very interesting to me because
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this is either one of two avenues that I think you could go with your suspicions
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about Caulkins either a he's just like a dumb child you know how like a child when you ask them hey you did this this
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is terrible what why did you hit your sister why did you throw this toy did you did you say this curse word at
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school yeah why did you scratch your butt and sniff it well a lot of times a child when accused of something that
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they did their defense mechanism will click in sometimes that it's just I don't remember right uh uh what no I
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don't remember I don't remember anything or you go down the other Avenue and this
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is very strategic of Mr Caulkins and he can say oh I was put on the spot so I just claim not to remember anything and
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then when when it's brought up again then I will provide some information but I'm claiming at this point not to
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remember anything so I'm not locking myself into anything specific right and he he actually set himself up for this
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on the dispatch call probably knowing that it was being recorded uh I'll have to look into my notes yes yeah I'll have
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to look into my notes and then I'll be able to remember I think you would remember going up to somebody
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in in the graveyard right yeah so I have I have several problems with him not remembering but where one I go either
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okay he's deceptive he's a bad officer and a bad person and he's lying to us or let's let's give him the benefit of the
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doubt if he doesn't remember he's probably just a bad officer you have to have have some kind of memory when
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you're in that line of work and other lines of work as well but he can remember that he hasn't arrested
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somebody in a long time in a long time but I think you're right Captain here here's what we have the dispatcher is
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providing him with pretty detailed information hey at this time you called in a toe for a 84 white Cadillac now
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I've seen pictures of this 84 white Cadillac this is 20 04 this is not a vehicle that he's going
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to encounter every day right this is a unique vehicle and it's one of those big boat standout Cadillacs ones that you
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you would notice this vehicle in a parking lot full of other vehicles it would stand out and then you are very
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very astute my friend because you you said the cemetery how could you not remember 4 days earlier this big big
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giant whale of a white Cadillac in a cemetery and here here's how I think you know he's lying is
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because the story then becomes oh yeah I took that individual for a 7-minute ride
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to drop him off at work so you didn't remember the unique car and the unique location with the man that you spent at
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least 7 Minutes driving to drop him off at work that you then eventually called and found out he was lying and we know
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that you were there because of the paperwork because you had the car tow take it a step further I would guess
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that he is not in the business of doing favors for civilians on The Daily right he his own words says I did the guy a
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favor I took him for a ride I I dropped him off at this location oh and then later I figured out that he deceived me
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I checked the paperwork in the glove box it was not there like he told me so how
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I I just find it incredibly hard to believe that this officer fails to remember this big giant white unique
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Cadillac his interaction with this young man in the cemetery and that oh I did the guy a
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favor let him off the hook and then he lied to me and that's why had the vehicle towed and it's just a couple
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days later I it seems bizarre to me and incredibly hard to believe that he wouldn't remember this so well I think
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he's being nefarious and the reason why is he no and pause and then when you when you're not able to pause because
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the person's not giving you any information back what does he do I just I don't remember well at least he's
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smart enough to inquire what this is about you know he's trying to get to the bottom of well why is the dispatcher
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calling me oh there there's this lady that's been calling us all day because her son is missing and we have people at
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the cemetery saying that they saw an officer put him in the back of a a patrol car another reason why I believe
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he's lying is you don't remember anything and now you're going well why are they calling because you want to
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cheers to all your loved ones We're All in This Together getting crazy with the animals is that what you said I don't
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know all right we have another clip that I want to play for you here and this one
00:32:25
the audio is a little more ult than the last clip but this clip is extremely important so I want you to pay close
00:32:33
attention to what is going on and then we'll review it afterwards could you run a B for me
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please 30 bucks you got give me 30 bucks first got a I got a Cadillac of the roadal
00:33:11
11 52 nobody around all right T nothing it's a big old white piece of Cadillac D give me the number let's see
00:33:27
what we get let's see what we get okay one gorch yeah Del 63 2 come back to [Applause]
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1983 Cal Thomas East look [Applause] like don't know really yeah a Golden Gate car it's a Golden
00:34:40
Gate car there no assign 1028 car home we just driveing rul we the driving anybody can send a hard copy to
00:34:59
me on that buddy yeah send it in the mail send it in the mail pleaseing already he need a $20 oh
00:35:18
man what Cadillac are over there all yours I'll get it done in a second okay where is
00:35:27
anyway I'm at the cemetery here at the corner of bille oh [Laughter] yeah road the
00:35:55
road I got I'll you later thanks bye well I barely can understand half of that so he's definitely calling in a VIN
00:36:09
number and then they're they're making some jokes but I can't really make out what what they're saying okay so there's
00:36:18
I mean he's being a a complete jackass on half of the the call he's goofing around and whomever he's calling this
00:36:25
into is goofing around with him as well later Steve Caulkins will say the guy that he was phoning this into for the
00:36:33
VIN Che is a friend of his and they're they're goofing around um you look this happens at work people act in a manner
00:36:43
that's less than professional when they're interacting with somebody they might be quote unquote buddies with at
00:36:48
work I do believe that police officers should be professional and this is uh the the only the only thing that I can
00:36:58
think of when I hear how Caulkins is acting during this call is that he's probably got a
00:37:07
little uh racist bone in him somewhere and he's or multiple bones well he's he's an ass hat is what he is to put it
00:37:15
plain and simple prick dumpster yeah but so he's calling in the VIN number now let's go back to what he has told us is
00:37:23
going on in the incident report that he dropped off Williams returned to the vehicle only to discover that the
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information that he was looking for that he was told by Williams that he would find inside the vehicle is not there now
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he believes that he's been deceived and that the vehicle may possibly be stolen so that is why he's calling in the VIN
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number you can hear Dave his buddy Dave who's on the other end is saying all good let's see racist Dave let's see
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what we come up with you know we're going to run this number let's see what we come up with maybe it's been reported
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stolen somewhere it doesn't come up with any stolen report but if we're going to
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overlap this call with the information he provides in the incident report that's where we're at in his timeline
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he's dropped off Williams he's returned to the vehicle and now he's calling in the VIN to discover if it it has in fact
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been stolen or not and you notice he doesn't tell his buddy I'll by the way I just took this guy to work and now no he
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says no one's around he says that the the vehicle appears to be abandoned to which Dave responds all good you know
00:38:36
let's see what we come up with here there's one little thing that's very interesting at the end of that call and
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you may not have picked up on it because it is hard to hear he says to Dave oh good the toe
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company is already here that's interesting that and that's very important to this story and you'll
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see why after we play this next clip this is 30 get [Music] [Applause] A9 e r r a and November
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CE Williams bir four [Music] 75 now you're probably thinking what the heck are they making me listen to that
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is very hard to hear but we wanted to play the evidence that they put out on their website Colonel how about you
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break down what we should be hearing on that audio clip well I'm going to tell you why this is proof positive that we
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should all be very suspicious of Officer Caulkins and it's this is going to underline and put the underline it 10
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times everything that we've already been telling we've said questionable Behavior
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we've discussed questionable Behavior this is evidence of such this is why I believe they fired him and why I believe
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that they've publicly stated he's a person of interest in these two missing persons cases so the order that we
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played those calls in is not as important as the order that they were actually placed in we played
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them in the exact order that they were placed in right okay why is that important so what did we did we cover so
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far in the first call he's calling in the VIN he wants to figure out if this car is in fact stolen he says at the end
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of that first call oh the toe company's already here think about that for a second he's
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already called the toe company and put in the order for the toe before he's figured out if the vehicle has been
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stolen or abandoned in his incident report he states that thinking that he it might have been stolen or abandoned
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he called it in and then had it towed no he had it towed first and then called it
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in okay the tow company is already here then later after the toe company is there and
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picks up the vehicle this by his own words in these recordings now he's calling in for a
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background check on an individual who is that individual Terren D Williams that's
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what his words are on this call calling in Terren he spells the name Terren he says D for the middle name terrence's m
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middle name is Dion Williams Traditional spelling is what he says this is important for several reasons first his
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own reports and what he will tell officers and investigators from that point on is I only knew his first name
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he told me his name was Terrence I gave him a ride I did him a favor well we know that's not true cuz you're calling
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in Terrence D Williams right but is but is there any information in the car that
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would lead him to that information to to have his full name well that is this is
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the icing on the cake this is why you have to say to yourself he had to have been in the presence of Terrence
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Williams longer than he has told us and how do we know that to be absolutely true when he has to give a birth date
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for this person that he's calling in the birth date that he gives is 411 1975 April 1st 1975 mhm that is not
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Terrence Williams's birthday Terrence Williams birthday is January 17th 1976 his family has come forward and
00:43:30
said you know what when he was in trouble with the law in the past he would give a fake birth date when asked
00:43:36
to identify himself the fake birth date that he would give would be April 1st 1975 April fools so what I'm pointing
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out here is there is no driver's license or state identification card that will state that Terrence Williams was born on
00:43:54
April 1st 19 1975 this is not information he could have got from anywhere other than from
00:44:01
Terrence Williams mouth right now why is this important the order of these calls at the end of
00:44:10
the first call he says the tow company is already here and then later calls back in to get a background check on
00:44:18
Terrence D Williams but he also stated that there's nobody with the car there's no one around and his incident report
00:44:26
says that by this point he's already dropped off Williams at the Circle K returned to the vehicle we know this to
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be true as well because or portions of this to be true as well because we have the employees at the cemetery who State
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he put Williams in the back of the vehicle drove off and then sometime between 15 minutes and 1 hour later he
00:44:47
returned moved the Cadillac a bit of a distance and then they showed up and towed the vehicle away right think about
00:44:55
this this for a second mhm a lot of people have pointed out that we have a situation where this officer did not
00:45:04
have enough time to go off and murder someone and hide the body so well that nobody would ever find it 17 years later
00:45:12
two idiots are in a garage somewhere in in Ohio talking about this case they said that that couldn't be done what I'm
00:45:19
pointing out here is is there a chance given this evidence that he took Terrence somewhere and then returned to
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Terren after the vehicle was towed right how did he get this information he's providing information that could have
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only have come from Terren himself and this is after the fact that he says that he saw Terren this is after the fact of
00:45:43
him having the vehicle towed away there's something very fishy about this and I'm telling you the sheriff's
00:45:49
department know it to be true as well they took this information and used this information to fire this officer they
00:45:57
said to him what you are telling us makes no sense we know that you needed to be in the presence of Terren at the
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time of this call or shortly before this call and this is after the time that you
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said you were done with him for the entirety of the day they are on record telling this man you are one of our own
00:46:19
we are not coming after you we are looking to clear you but your own statements will not allow us to clear
00:46:26
you right but on top of that if you base off the eyewitness's testimony they're saying at some point he put Terren in
00:46:36
the back of his police car well let's say he's in the back of the police car then he's calling about this VIN number
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he is lying to his fellow officers about any contact with Terren correct the night that he had contact with Terrence
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correct it's bizarre and you have to wonder okay let's go off of his information in his incident report he
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says that after returning to the vehicle not finding the information he was told
00:47:05
would be in the vehicle he felt that he was deceived and that the vehicle may have been stolen okay well we know that
00:47:12
he has it towed he calls in the toe we hear him at the end of that call saying oh the toe company's already here right
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is there a chance that he drives back to the Circle K where he did let's say he did drop teren off at the Circle K he
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finds Terren there or maybe as the clerk says she saw Terren filling up a gas tank a gas can and then walking
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away was he so pissed off that he drove around looking for Terrence Williams after the vehicle was towed away and
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then picked him up later and did something terrible yes I I I don't really understand the you know the
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motive is he just this racist murderous dick well that's the thing a lot of people look at this case and they jump
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the gun a bit and they say all right well this is a cop who turned into a serial killer or this is a serial killer
00:48:07
cop who who knows I mean he's not offering up any information and the information that he has provided is
00:48:14
false it's not correct so then you have to go okay well if he's lying about this
00:48:19
and we know he is lying about this that may not be anything illegal Within the confines of of what we know him to be
00:48:28
lying about but then you go well if he's lying about this what else is he lying about what other things is is he
00:48:35
conveniently leaving out and not remembering he must be lying about this he refuses to admit that he saw Terrence
00:48:43
at any point after dropping him off at the Circle K we know he's lying about that why why is that so important for
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him that all of us believe that he never saw Terence after that and I think it's
00:48:57
because he did something illegal he did something very wrong now what what level
00:49:03
of of uh crime is that we don't know it could be as simple as one of the big theories in this case is a Starlight
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tour and what is a Starlight tour that phrase was named made famous because of cases up in uh Canada where officers
00:49:23
would pick up people for very minor infractions these are probably repeat offenders minor infractions they're fed
00:49:31
up with having to deal with these individuals they're not going to be punished by the law because they are
00:49:37
minor infractions so what these officers were doing is they would drive the individual out in the middle of nowhere
00:49:44
force them to get out of the vehicle and just leave them there right you got to find your own way home buddy oh oh
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you're you're drunk again in public or you're you're in a bar fight again I've picked up this is the second time I've
00:49:56
picked you up this week you're a nuisance yeah but this is a strange thing to do in the middle of the day
00:50:02
it's a very strange thing to do in the middle of the day and that's the other thing you know people jump the gun I I
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say jump the gun because people say well this guy's very obviously a serial killer I don't know that we can say that
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because I do not see premeditated murder in either one of these situations why because look the guy's been on the force
00:50:20
for 17 years he's while I find him to be a complete ass hat it means he's not dumb enough to go oh I've had all these
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Witnesses and I'm just going to I'm just going to murder this guy and he never surfaces ever again why not if if this
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if that were his Mo to kill just a kill to kill to um on some kind of mission he
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would pick situations where there are no Witnesses I guarantee you that and that's that's a what's a little bit
00:50:49
scary here Captain is that you have to wonder when when people go missing and there's no and there are these Witnesses
00:50:57
what has happened with this officer when there's no one around when there's it's
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the middle of the night um yeah but people of power can form a a sense of arrogance and a sense of um
00:51:10
righteousness where it doesn't matter what you see I am the law right right now I I think that if this were a
00:51:18
situation where he murdered either of these individuals that it was reactionary it
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wasn't Prem meditated it was something along the way happened and he reacted to a situation I I I can see
00:51:35
where you're coming from but I I don't think that you can rule out the possibility of
00:51:41
premeditation as far as like I have this person now in my custody and now I'm going to figure out what to do with them
00:51:50
right I'm just saying I don't see a situation it doesn't make any sense to me a situation where he's waking up that
00:51:56
morning going oh if I pull somebody over I'm I'm gonna kill them and leave them out in the middle of nowhere especially
00:52:01
when we have all I mean we have we have multiple eyewitnesses at both of these situations so much so that at the
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cemetery he spoke caulin spoke with the cemetery workers it's not like they happen to see him from afar he talked to
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them that night he I'm sorry that day right but we're com we're in complete agreeance that he
00:52:25
is he's completely full of [ __ ] I mean AB believe he did something to Terrence
00:52:32
Williams right a couple days later oh I don't remember this unique car and this unique location where I talked to people
00:52:40
that work there at the unique location and I moved the car yeah I absolutely believe he did something to Terrence
00:52:48
Williams and I base that off of the evidence that we've just provided today the Sheriff's Department Department's
00:52:55
belief that he was had interaction with Terrence Williams after he says that he did the thing here again I'm going to
00:53:04
you know when you compare a serial killer to someone who kills to cover something up that's two completely
00:53:10
different monsters and I think that there there could be a situation here where this is reactionary maybe Terrence
00:53:18
did something that pissed this officer off and he he struck him or he he he brutally attacked him and then decided
00:53:25
oh I got to I got to cover this up I got to silence this guy forever I think that
00:53:30
that we're we have a good amount of evidence here that that he very well could have drove around and looked for
00:53:38
Williams if in fact he did drop him off at the Circle K that day I say that I feel strong more strongly about Terence
00:53:48
Williams case than I do Santos's case because there is some indication that Santos could have fled the country
00:53:57
altogether and it's just a coincidence that these two are linked in that manner I did find statements by close relatives
00:54:05
of his that say that he was considering moving back to Mexico before any of this
00:54:11
took place I'm not ruling out the possibility that that Caulkins did something to Santos as well I'm just
00:54:17
saying there's a there's a little more question of what if in that case yeah I think there's more evidence and more
00:54:26
eyewitnesses obviously in the Williams case but again kudos to the Coler County Sheriff's Department for look they they
00:54:34
didn't turn and look the other way they went head on into this thing when presented with hey there's a problem we
00:54:41
need you to look into this they did fully look into one of their own they fired this man they have also provided
00:54:47
the public with a good amount of resources and information on this case you can find what we covered here today
00:54:55
as well as more information on their website the Coler County Sheriff's office website this case really blew up
00:55:04
in 2012 and that was when Al Sharpton and then Tyler Perry Tyler Perry got involved in this case Tyler Perry has
00:55:14
offered up a bunch of his own money for information in either one of these cases
00:55:20
it's in fact it's up to $200,000 reward for information in either of these cases well and this
00:55:28
is not a hugely popular case this is a great case to Spotlight this is a great case to share and get the public behind
00:55:36
and put a little more pressure on individuals and maybe we'll get some answers for their families that's right
00:55:43
and again if anyone has any information in either of these cases or information about Officer Steve Caulkins please call
00:55:53
Crim Stoppers again that number number is 1 80078 [Music] 8477 all right we want to hear from you
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go to our website True Crime garage.com and go to our blog and let us know what you think about this case
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