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The Sickening Murder of Joel & Lisa Guy | Killers Caught On Camera

March 23, 2023 / 46:51

This episode of Killers Caught on Camera covers the brutal murders of Lisa and Joel Guy in Knoxville, Tennessee, by their son Joel Guy Jr. Key discussions include the discovery of body parts in the family home, the investigation led by local law enforcement, and the chilling details of the son's premeditated plan to kill his parents.

Lisa and Joel Guy were preparing for retirement when they were murdered in November 2016. Investigative journalist Jamie Satterfield discusses their family dynamics and the events leading up to the murders. The couple's son, Joel Guy Jr., was identified as the prime suspect after police found disturbing evidence in the home.

Detectives discovered gruesome scenes, including dismembered body parts and a boiling pot containing a human head. The investigation revealed that Joel Guy Jr. had purchased supplies for the murders weeks in advance, indicating premeditation. The police utilized surveillance footage from Walmart to track his movements and purchases.

Joel Guy Jr. was arrested in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, after being tracked by law enforcement. His detailed notebook, referred to as a 'murder book,' outlined his plan to kill his parents for financial gain. He was ultimately sentenced to life in prison for the murders.

The episode highlights the role of surveillance technology in solving the case, emphasizing how critical video evidence was in establishing the timeline and motive behind the horrific acts committed by Joel Guy Jr.

TLDR

Joel Guy Jr. murdered his parents in Knoxville, Tennessee, for financial gain, using premeditated plans and gruesome methods.

Episode

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[Music] it just sounds like something bad is happening to her I heard her scream no
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stop it I heard some gunshots that does not prove that I killed my wife we know what happened because the
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video tells us what happened the camera doesn't lie this time on Killers caught on camera in
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Knoxville Tennessee a married couple are killed in their home on the eve of retirement
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they're saying Robert as police discover body parts abandoned around the house
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it's pretty pretty gruesome UK after a violent attack catastrophic head injuries worst I've
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ever seen as her colleagues examine every angle to catch her killer oh my way up to
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foreign [Applause] Knoxville Tennessee [Music] home to Lisa and Joel guy married for 31
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years Joel guy senior was a hard worker just a your typical East Tennessee and just a
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good guy he worked as an engineer and primarily worked in piping Lisa guy was a records keeper and secretary for an
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engineering firm here in Knoxville Joel had three daughters by a previous marriage and in 1988 Lisa and Joel had a
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son together Joel Michael guy Jr Lisa guy by all accounts was a really dedicated mother
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I know that they liked the outdoors they liked being on the water and in 2016 they were really looking forward to
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retiring they were preparing for a new phase in their life so they had spent most of their life working and taking
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care of the children and now the children were up and out on their own and that's what they were looking
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forward to it when your kids get up and out you get to kind of be a couple again
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they lived well and lived right and they were getting ready to enjoy the benefit
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of that Jamie Satterfield has been an investigative journalist for over 30 years
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it was Thanksgiving 2016. in East Tennessee it's a really pretty time but so you have a lot of fall
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colors Lisa guy in getting ready for Thanksgiving she had decorated the house sisters were coming grandkids were
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coming Joel and Lisa were also looking forward to seeing their biological son Joel who
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would be returning home for the holidays I dare say she was probably a little excited about that in that it had been a
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while it was the setup for would have been a really happy time for them with Joel guy Jr living 600 miles away
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this was a rare opportunity for Lisa to spend some time with her son I know that leasing was enjoying that
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time with him because she was going to go to the store and one of the things that she was going to get was his
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favorite ice cream everything seemed on the surface really good that night and the next morning
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[Music] but just two days later Lisa was missing she failed to turn up to her last day of
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work and her own retirement party the day rolls around and no Lisa so her co-workers tried to call her
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and you know she's not answering the phone and they knew that that was not in
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Lisa's character to just disappear her co-workers grew concerned enough that they reached out to the Knox County
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Sheriff's Office police officers visited the guy's residence and checked in with their
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neighbors [Music] we're just doing a welfare check just make sure they're okay I'm just curious
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when the last time you see I know they were here at Thanksgiving because their son was with them so that's all their
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vehicles yes sir okay Hector Sanchez was assistant district attorney for Knox County
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officers were able to determine that the vehicles that were registered to both Lisa and Joe guy senior were present
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they could also hear a faint dog bark inside of the residence we'll go over and check I'm not sure
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they're okay police couldn't get hold of Lisa or Joel on their phones [Music]
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to get money for work and looking through the front window they could see that groceries were present in the foyer
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area and in those groceries it was apparent to them that there was perishables that were in those bags
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things such as ice cream meats and such so that was obviously curious to them they did canvas around to the back of
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the residence thank you see the Hound Dog's not out this is all their cars are here they were able to
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determine that the doorknob in the back of the residence was completely missing so essentially they could see into the
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residents when they looked through that hole they could feel an immense amount of heat coming from that open portion
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they could smell a strong odor of chemicals that was obviously concerning to them based on the fact that there was
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no contact with Joel and Lisa guy they're saying rod police had to get into the house
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they managed to get access through the garage and found a back door I hear a dog howling Steven Sanders was
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a detective from the Knox County Sheriff's Office he arrived on the scene to an overheated house the interior door
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was opened and it was I mean it was hot it was it was ridiculously hot but wait the bar and Sheriff's Office
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[Music] when you go in there was obviously uh groceries in the floor there was animal feces throughout the
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house and a dog barking [Music] and as they they got up the stairs you could see you know brown staining which
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they believed to be blood explode right looks like blood officers obviously at this point have a
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heightened alertness they are looking to not only determine if someone's okay but
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also to determine whether or not a suspect is present in the residence and then the top of the stairs they
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found a collection of clothing that was covered in what they believe to be human
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blood that was appeared to be cut off of a human body that was in a pile next to
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a very large stain of blood foreign people's hands yeah I think so that's
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what I think that's what it looks like it's horrific there's puddles of blood
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there's human remains you can't really put that into words but you'll never
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stop seeing it it's pretty pretty gruesome you can't back out officers cleared the remainder of the
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upstairs and immediately made the decision to back out [Music] officers surrounded the house in case
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anyone tried to flee the scene my eyes on this back corner on this corner I've got the front if
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there's anybody in that house we'll handle it okay it appeared the only living being left
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in the house was a dog what's up buddy he's very hot and distressed right now
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house was made a crime scene and cordoned off multiple units within the sheriff's
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department moved in and they began documenting the scene potential weapons cash and cleaning
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products were gathered as evidence the police had to find out what happened and who the body parts belong to
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[Music] somebody out there that's true evil and we've got to get them [Music]
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mixture of recently bought items provided detectives with Clues around the clothing were several bottles
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of Highly corrosive acidic based Solutions such as muriatic acid food grade hydrogen peroxide bleach Liquid
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Fire Drano in the middle of the bedroom a workout machine was was tipped over that was an indication to them that
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there had been some form of a struggle and officers in the corner did find a very very large spot in the corner of
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reddish-brown substance in the master bathroom were two blue storage bins they look in there now there are these
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big Rubbermaid containers and then when they look in there there there's torsos
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[Music] but the worst was yet to come they get into the kitchen area and what they see is that there's a big
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pot a Soup pot sitting on the stove it is boiling they weren't sure if it was
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water or a chemical but they could see that this had been cooking if you will and they look into it
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and when they look into it what they see is a human head a gruesome Discovery whoever decapitated
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this body was still at Large they know nothing about who may or may not have been in that home
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all they know is that they have a house full of body parts and this chemical smell
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the other thing that was unusual is here is somebody who has taken Extraordinary
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Measures of chopping trying to boil away to literally dissolve these bones make these bodies disappear
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but clearly was interrupted in some way because it was incomplete the job was not done
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disposing of bodies especially when people dismember bodies always sounds and feels so incredibly gruesome and it
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is objectively but subjectively for the person who's doing it they often describe it as going into
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problem-solving mode and the problem is that they have this body and so the solution is anything that will get rid
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of it and so they're no longer seeing these individuals as human beings they're seeing them as a problem to be
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solved as a body to be removed as objects effectively and so that can help us to understand why it might seem less
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gruesome to the person who's doing it and more just a necessity we don't know if it's a random act we
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don't know if it's family we don't know anything until we start getting our our
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Clues and putting them together and and piecing the piecing it together but right off the bat you know that
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whoever's responsible for this has got to be caught vital pieces of evidence gave the police
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a breakthrough we found two receipts from Walmart the first receipt was found in the groceries
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that were left in the foyer area just through the front door also in processing the crime scene the second
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level specifically investigators found an additional Walmart bag that had blood on it that had medical supplies
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including tape ointments things you would use for serious wound to treat such as a knife injury in that bag was
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the second receipt receipts these days have time stamps on them they send some folks to go to the
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Walmart to review surveillance video around that time frame the Walmart was only two miles from the
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guy's family home [Music] going into the Walmart being able to give them a time stamp for a seat we
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were able to pull a video of what was taking place at that particular cash register being checked out in the
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self-checkout line the video surveillance at the checkout helped the police identify the person
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buying the groceries we're able to identify some of the clothing we believed that was Lisa's
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they were able to determine that two days before that Lisa guy was in there buying those exact groceries
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[Music] made it home with the groceries when the police checked the Walmart video footage for the time printed on
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the second receipt 3 30 PM that same day they made a surprising discovery you can tell in the Walmart footage that
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this person and he's got bandages on he's clearly injured himself and he's
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buying some bandages and things it would appear for his own cuts they look at this surveillance video and
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who they see is the face that they've seen in that house in family photos of the Sun
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the son of Lisa and Joel guy senior was 28 year old Joel guy Jr he lived in an apartment in Baton Rouge
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over 600 miles away [Music] he was working on his undergraduate degree from the Louisiana State
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University and he had been doing so since he was roughly 18 years old he was a smart kid by all indications a smart
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young man and was working on potentially becoming a plastic surgeon Joel guy Jr also had a difficult
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relationship with his family what was a little strange is that wow the girls were very close to their
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parents their son really never connected with his own family from a very young age Joe guy Jr
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he wanted to be away from home and as a child he wasn't sent to boarding school
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he insisted on going to a boarding school Lisa and Joel guy senior had been supporting their son financially
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[Music] first rent I was paid for his food she paid for his vehicle his car insurance
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Joe Michael guy Jr never worked a day in his life told him they planned to stop supporting
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him so they could retire more comfortably someone who's so dependent on his parents at this point starts to wonder
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well how am I going to survive if my parents cut me off and that can lead to a spiral of
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catastrophizing of thinking worse and worse and worse potential consequences and that catastrophizing can make you
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think well the only thing I can do is to somehow figure out how I can still get that money and
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that might lead you to fantasize about ways to do that and fantasizing can include
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maybe thinking about ways of taking advantage of people or of maybe even killing people
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two days after Thanksgiving Joel guide Jr was supposed to be back home in Baton Rouge
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but the Walmart footage showed that he was still in Knoxville Tennessee the distance between Knoxville and
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Louisiana is pretty significant I mean we're talking five or six hundred miles
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a car drive of you know eight to ten hours so to have Joe Michael guy Jr still present in Knox County days after
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he was thought to have been gone that was significant to our investigation on closer inspection the CCTV footage
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also revealed Joel guide Junior's physical condition this angle of the video from Walmart is
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real important to us it's a self-checkout which allows us to see the items purchased which match the items at
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the residence it also allows us to see his hands which shows us that he has injuries and wounds on his hands
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[Music] the police found footage of Joel guy Jr's car leaving Walmart which meant
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they could track his license plate the FBI task force and they actually located the vehicle and
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him in the apartment back in Baton Rouge so they just set up surveillance and watched that why me and detective McCord
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began our travel to Baton Rouge when they got there they arrested Joel guy Jr he was taken into custody police
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found another trail of receipts inside his apartment in connection with the investigation
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officers were able to ascertain that Joe Michael guy Jr had been buying various supplies in and around the Baton Rouge
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area in Louisiana [Music] 17 days before Thanksgiving Joel guy Jr was captured on camera at Ace Hardware
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in Louisiana this video is of him purchasing heavy chemicals Drano and so forth that were the same
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chemicals that were found here which helps us prove premeditation this is him at a Home Depot
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going through self-checkout purchasing the garden hose purchasing a garden sprayer bleach sprayer and a spray
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bottle and we have him walking out [Music] police match the items in the video with
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the same items found at his parents house in Knoxville they also discovered another chilling
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piece of evidence as the law enforcers are searching this house one of these rooms belonged or had at one time
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belonged to Joe guy Jr and so when they go into that room they find he had left a backpack it had his laptop in
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it but it also had this college rule notebook and when they open it up what they see
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is Page after page after page of handwritten notes the best description of its contents I
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would call this a murder book his notebook laid out that he wanted to render his parents into a liquid form
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and then put them into the public Waterway before he lit the house on fire to get rid of any evidence
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Joel guy Jr was putting his detailed plan into place in the days leading up to Thanksgiving
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the video evidence was damning Walmart Louisiana he is purchasing the bins the blue bins were what we located
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in the master bathroom with the human remains 18 or 20 days before these brutal murders he's out in Baton Rouge in the
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surrounding area buying all these supplies that were all captured on various surveillance closed circuit TVs
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foreign the importance to it to us was it showed his premeditation and his intent
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for what had happened back in Knoxville through DNA analysis forensic Pathologists found that the body parts
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in the house belonged to Lisa and Joel guy senior their son Joel Michael guy Jr was
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charged with two counts of first-degree murder and abuse of a corpse when you think about a case that
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involves someone who is accused of chopping up his parents the first thought I think that anyone would have
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is he's got to be crazy I'm certain that his defense team would have loved to
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pursue an insanity defense because they have nothing else but he refused it was almost as if he were offended that
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anybody would be questioning his intellect Joel guy Jr was comprehensively captured
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by the net of surveillance he was sentenced to life in prison for two counts of first-degree murder and
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dismemberment of his parents Joel guy senior and Lisa guy at the trial the full extent of the
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horrific details of what happened were revealed [Music] he did kill his father first when his
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mother was out grocery shopping and the reason he did that he could have accomplished The Act of Killing the
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bigger threat which would be his father he did that in the upstairs kind of spare bedroom slash exercise room we
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believe that perhaps his father was engaged in working out when he was attacked there was proof from the
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medical examiner that he was stabbed in the back multiple times there's also
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proof that Joe Vass senior fought back which ultimately led to Joe guy Jr obtaining a pretty serious wound to his
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hand further proof established that once Miss Lisa guy got home from Walmart based on
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the collection of the groceries that were not put away with perishables she was likely lured upstairs and the minute
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that she reached the top of the stairs is where she was attacked and murdered Joe guy senior was
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disarticulated at his hips and also at his elbows and hands Lisa guy was decapitated
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she was disarticulated at the kneecaps and we believe that that was in order to render his parents in a position where
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he could put their remains in each one of those blue storage tubs despite the measures that he took the
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planning he took his plan did fail and I think a lot of the reason his plan failed was based on the fact that Joe
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guy senior fought back Joel Michael guy Jr had to leave the state of Tennessee and drive roughly five to six hundred
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miles to seek medical attention we were able to determine that he did come back to Knox County where he likely
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saw that his neighborhood was saturated with law enforcement and decided to again leave and go back to Baton Rouge
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parasite is when a child kills their parents double parasite is when a child kills both mother and father or both
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parents it's rare for children to kill their parents it's even more rare for
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children to kill both of their parents so if a child is going to kill a parent it's usually one parent and it's often a
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boy who is killing their father or their mother Joel Michael guy Jr was made aware that
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his parents were going to cut him off financially and when that was threatened he decided to kill his parents
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it's the coldest motive there is greed I'm sure he manipulated his mother all
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the time and for once she was standing firm even though it upset her she was standing for her and I think he realized
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that the gig was a and that's when he put this murder book plan into Plus Joel guy Jr hoped by killing his parents
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he would receive all their savings and life insurance money but there was another twist to his financial motive
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an emotional one he was homosexual he had a partner that lived with him for a while and then they
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they separated and they were friends but Joe got Jr wanted to be with him and the other individual did not want to
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be with him the individual in question was Michael McCracken and in jail Joel guy Jr made a call to
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Michael where he revealed his motivation for killing his parents we first met 12 years ago and I always
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got insanely jealous and it became blatantly obvious that I didn't need any of the criteria there has never been any
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question about that physically speaking you know he can bariatric surgery I could get cheap space implants to give
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me any facial blood structure very very realistic chance of being happy if I got around to doing that
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he wanted the inheritance for himself to change his appearance and make the love of his life want him
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I don't know what to say I'm angry and lost and confused and disappointed and upset and mourning you
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like your dad even though I'm talking to you on the phone is taking everything I
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have to process and maintain my sanity I I found you all the time you were the only good thing in my life
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he did this to take all the inheritance to change his appearance to make his significant other want him
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and that's basically it what was particularly disturbing when you look at that murder book
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as that while he's seated at The Family Table on Thanksgiving and he's being friendly and loving on
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his family all the while his instruction manual for killing his parents is up there in his bedroom and they had no
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idea the role of of cameras as it relates to this particular case was tremendous all
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the security surveillance footage that we had at various locations I do believe that it would have been a lot harder to
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present the case in the way that we were able to and to corroborate theories that
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we had about the premeditation and purchasing items and and utilizing them in the commission of these brutal
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murders the cameras are very important because they there's no there's no dispute in who this is and
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what is being bought and what was at the crime scene this case is obviously one that that no
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one wants to be a part of it's a very heavy case the loss of life and the manner in which these folks were
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murdered is just brutal it's the strangest defendant that I have ever encountered
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there is something missing in his soul how can a person be so so cruel and brutal not only to just somebody but
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family it's a day that you won't ever forget research has found that since at least
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2020 CCTV has been used more often than any other kind of forensic science or technology to identify and charge
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suspects cameras are vital in helping track and place suspects in or around the scene of
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a crime [Music] the Hamlet of Snowden near alesham in Kent home to 53-year-old Julia James
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Julia had recently remarried she had two children from two separate relationships
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Julia James was a police Community Support Officer and she was really well known in the area because of her role as
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the pcso and she was really outgoing friendly she was a massive part of the Kent Police Community as well
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she was a the a pcso so domestic abuse police and Community Support Officer supporting victims of domestic abuse and
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she was there to help and that's what she wanted to do [Music] Julia lived next to ackled Wood and
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often walked her Jack Russell Toby in the Woodland and Countryside which surrounded her home
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Kirsty Bennett is a lecturer in criminology at Leeds Beckett University Julia used to walk her dog quite
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frequently in a Woods which was at the back of her house and while she was there she came across a man on a couple
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of occasions lurkin which made her feel quite uncomfortable Gavin Moss is a senior investigative
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officer at Kent Police Julia had expressed some concerns about a male she'd seen I think on two or
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three occasions she described the person saying that he was in the area of accot
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woods and gave her some calls for concern this was never ever reported and that's no criticism of anybody because
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people do see things like that and things don't always get reported told her husband Paul that she'd passed
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a really weird dude on the occultwood Bridle Path and on another day when Julia went for a
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walk with her husband she pointed out the same man to him Paul James Julia's husband mentioned
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that he'd seen this person in the February so February 2021 in the year of Eckhart would
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for 19 to occur either threats or incidents where they feel like they've been
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watched before they report it to police so you need to have really seen that person quite a lot in order to raise the
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alarm and go to authorities after their encounters with the strange man in the woods Julia and her husband
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avoided their usual dog walking route and as an extra precaution Paul bought Julia a smart watch
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that was there as an extra security safety measure so she could quickly alert people if she felt unsafe and that
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allowed her to go back into the woods after taking a break from not visiting [Music]
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7th April at 12 minutes past two in the afternoon Julia left her house and took her dog
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Toby for a walk in the nearby Woods at 2 23 PM she was spotted on a distant CCTV camera walking through a gap in a
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hedge near ackled Wood this video clip is from a local business that overlooks the echo wood area and
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what it actually shows is an image of somebody walking along here this CCTV was cross-referenced with GPS
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data from the smartwatch we were able to say that that individual was indeed Julia James it showed the
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exact route she'd taken from her home address peered in the footage Julia's Smartwatch
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detected a big change the Smartwatch indicated that a heart rate rapidly Rose from 97 to 145 so we
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can see that something's a problem she's moving very quickly the Smartwatch data also showed Julia
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made a detour from her usual route and her heart rate changed dramatically it was very clear to say that she she'd
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run away our take on that was that she was being chased and and walking in the woods and came across
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Julia's dog wandering alone I saw Julia's dog Toby but without an owner they then went to investigate and sadly
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that's when Julia's body was found [Music] Julia suffered very traumatic bluntforce
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trauma injuries she had a broken wrist she had multiple lacerations and injuries to her skull and face the
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offender took strides to to Really injure Julia she stood no chance of survival and died
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very very quickly unfortunately didn't didn't you know go through too much pain
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capable of carrying out such violence at the time understandably there was a lot of concern a lot of fear in the
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community one of my first thoughts is is this person going to strike a game where
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we end up having another murder that could follow the police started to search the area
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where Julia's body was found the area was absolutely enormous it is by far the biggest scene that I've ever
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dealt with we use licensed search officers to undertake what we call line searches fingertip searches we use the
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Drone we had frenzy recovery dogs out as well they're in video evidence was crucial to
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the case I remember saying that one of my briefings be creative think about other
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opportunities think about buses think about lorries think about delivery drivers get it as open as we can to make
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sure we capture everything possible in terms of footage that we we had to view it worked out to six thousand seven
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hundred hours worth of footage but digital forensic analysts spotted something just under two hours before
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Julia was murdered CCTV captured a person in alsham carrying a bag you can see that he's walking in the direction
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of a gap in a tree line this individual was carrying something in his bag you can't get any facial identification
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of him 31 minutes later what seems to be the same person was spotted again and then again leaving the area at 3 45
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pm what really helped is that this also coincides within the time frame of obviously after Junior was was brutally
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murdered so it all starts bringing it all together about his movements pre and post what tragically happened
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as well as the CCTV footage police also investigated potential Witnesses who'd
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been driving in the area around the time of Julia's murder after such a high profile incident the
00:37:51
community was on high alert and a critical piece of dash cam footage was recorded by local gamekeeper Gavin
00:37:58
Tucker oh my way up to right yeah all right what's that about then yeah where you going then
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he described the location he come from was um the ABS the crime scene um and that's what aroused Mr Tucker's
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suspicions hastily left the scene Gavin Tucker needed to act fast please please oh yeah it's a
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it's an ambitious fella of Justified approach and he's running off and there's been a bit of the um a death
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um at occult down at Echo at the moment he then runs away uh and runs along Addison Road and then as you can see
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here he cuts across and runs into to the wooded area I felt wood near Dover between Dover and
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Canterbury oh particular interest to us was this item here which was being carried
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the pathologist's report gave the police critical information about the type of
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weapon that was used to kill Julia from the post-mortem the pathologist said to me if you're looking for
00:39:29
something cylindrical linear and heavy on one end the weapon used to kill Julia hadn't
00:39:39
been located near the scene of the crime police were looking for anything which may have fit the pathologist's
00:39:46
description as well as the dash cam footage Gavin Tucker managed to take a photo of the
00:39:54
suspect in the field before he ran off so excited the image to the General Public
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that wanted the whole deal to be cropped so we didn't show exactly what that was
00:40:08
in the event that we could hopefully locate that in the future when police released the image to the
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media a witness identified the suspect as 21 year old Callum wheeler arrested Callum on Friday the 7th of May
00:40:26
10 days after Julia was murdered show me your head hey both hands show me heads step back step back step back
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barricading himself in protesting his innocence right from the beginning and he resisted arrest
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[Music] within his bedroom uh just over this side there is what we believe to be the
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weapon which then was subsequently seized suspiciously during the time of the offense okay
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up against his bedroom wall matched the item he was seen carrying before and after Julia's murder
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the weapon that was used was actually a railway Jack handle that is used by the railways to lift tracks effectively with
00:41:21
it on a Jack was made of fiberglass and consistent with what exactly what the pathology said it was linear cylindrical
00:41:30
and it was very heavy on one end we didn't know a great deal about Calum wheeler from a police intelligence point
00:41:46
of view very little was known about him and he was a completely loner in life he he had no friends
00:41:53
he'd lived in ayush him he'd been in alsham for a couple of years came from
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South East London apart from that we didn't have a great deal more as part of the investigation detectives
00:42:03
are looking to create a narrative of the event to support a successful prosecution
00:42:08
DNA evidence was vital to put Callum at the scene of the crime what we were able then to show was that
00:42:16
we had Callum Wheeler's DNA on Julia's clothing but also on the weapon we had
00:42:21
Julius DNA we also had on his training shoes presence of Julia's blood he was charged
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he appeared at court and he was reminded in custody in court the full details of what
00:42:39
happened to Julia James on the 27th of April 2021 were revealed Callum we're at ambushna and subjected
00:42:48
her to an absolutely brutal and horrific murder causing absolute catastrophic head injuries worst I've ever seen
00:42:58
the extent of the injuries is not a common occurrence because we know that Julia was likely unconscious from the
00:43:06
first injury and we're seeing the multiple attacks afterwards which is not necessarily needed to cause death
00:43:15
Julia was not sexually assaulted in the sense that she was a victim of a right we know that because of the forensic
00:43:22
analysis that we did but there were a few significant issues in relation to Cannon wheeler that we were able to
00:43:30
establish during the course of the investigation the presence of Cannon Wheeler's DNA on a vest top that Julia
00:43:37
had been wearing at the time and that didn't happen by accident she was wearing a jacket she was also wearing a
00:43:44
jumper as well and the vest talk was underneath those items so you know he he had touched her breast and that all came
00:43:53
to what we've said was a sexually motivated murder Callum Wheeler's internet search history
00:44:01
also showed that he'd searched the word rape just two days before Julia's murder
00:44:08
and his actions after he was arrested were disturbing when he got arrested taken into the
00:44:16
PlayStation he exposed himself to a female police officer a masterbite in front of that officer which would have
00:44:22
been absolutely horrendous for that individual officer to see had he not been caught the police
00:44:28
believed this could have been the first in the series of attacks on women in the
00:44:32
area I can't ignore the fact that he was walking around with that weapon you know
00:44:37
was it because he wanted it as a trophy was it because he would have killed again only one person knows that and
00:44:44
that is Canon wheeler um because I'm a detective of many years you know I can't help but think that
00:44:50
potentially we could have had another had enough evidence surveillance footage and things like
00:44:58
CCTV are so important for tie-in weapons belongings to an offender and the victim an
00:45:08
identifying sequence of events so what was the offender doing beforehand what were they doing after the event that we
00:45:14
can put together into that story my way up to had we not had CCTV we wouldn't have
00:45:22
seen him holding the weapon before we wouldn't have seen him holding the weapon afterwards that could have
00:45:27
presented a defense for him that he'd found the weapon Callum wheeler was sentenced to life in prison with a
00:45:35
minimum term of 37 years I went to the funeral and the impact of Julia's murder was absolutely
00:45:43
significant did I treat this any differently to any other murder I didn't because I needed
00:45:49
to catch him we needed to catch him because he was quite clear he was a brutal individual but it is you know
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something different difficult one is one of your own foreign [Music]

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Episode Highlights

  • A Gruesome Discovery
    Police discover body parts and a boiling pot containing a human head in a home.
    “Whoever decapitated this body was still at large.”
    @ 11m 37s
    March 23, 2023
  • The Son's Dark Secret
    Surveillance footage reveals Joel Guy Jr. buying supplies for a sinister plan.
    “He’s clearly injured himself and buying some bandages.”
    @ 15m 20s
    March 23, 2023
  • Premeditation Uncovered
    Evidence shows Joel Guy Jr. planned the murders weeks in advance.
    “This is him purchasing heavy chemicals that were the same found at the crime scene.”
    @ 20m 02s
    March 23, 2023
  • The Coldest Motive
    Joel Guy Jr's greed drove him to murder his parents for their money.
    “It's the coldest motive there is: greed.”
    @ 26m 04s
    March 23, 2023
  • A Disturbing Revelation
    In jail, Joel revealed his emotional motive for the murders, tied to a past relationship.
    “I always got insanely jealous and it became blatantly obvious.”
    @ 27m 15s
    March 23, 2023
  • Callum Wheeler's Arrest
    Callum Wheeler was arrested 10 days after Julia's murder, resisting arrest and protesting innocence.
    “Show me your head!”
    @ 40m 30s
    March 23, 2023
  • The Brutality of Julia's Murder
    Julia suffered catastrophic injuries in a brutal murder that shocked the community.
    “The extent of the injuries is not a common occurrence.”
    @ 42m 52s
    March 23, 2023
  • CCTV's Crucial Role
    CCTV footage played a vital role in tracking the suspect and corroborating evidence.
    “Had we not had CCTV, we wouldn't have seen him holding the weapon.”
    @ 45m 22s
    March 23, 2023

Episode Quotes

  • It's pretty gruesome.
    The Sickening Murder of Joel & Lisa Guy | Killers Caught On Camera
  • You’ll never stop seeing it.
    The Sickening Murder of Joel & Lisa Guy | Killers Caught On Camera
  • It's the coldest motive there is: greed.
    The Sickening Murder of Joel & Lisa Guy | Killers Caught On Camera
  • I don't know what to say. I'm angry and lost and confused.
    The Sickening Murder of Joel & Lisa Guy | Killers Caught On Camera
  • How can a person be so cruel and brutal?
    The Sickening Murder of Joel & Lisa Guy | Killers Caught On Camera
  • Had we not had CCTV, we wouldn't have seen him holding the weapon.
    The Sickening Murder of Joel & Lisa Guy | Killers Caught On Camera

Key Moments

  • Thanksgiving Setup02:53
  • Welfare Check04:34
  • Gruesome Scene07:39
  • Arrest of Joel Guy Jr19:33
  • Cold Motive26:04
  • Emotional Twist26:36
  • CCTV Importance29:20
  • Brutal Murder42:52

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