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[Music] August 20th 1977 horseback riders in California Sierra Nevada mountains make a terrible
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Discovery one of the Riders got a little head of the other one and pulled off the
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trail and that's when Bren rainy's body was discovered it was a very horrific
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scene two years later another young woman's body discovered nearby she was choked she was sexually
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assaulted and then her body was dumped on the side of the road it would strongly suggest that she fought for her
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life both cases go cold and stay that way until 2017 when the former girlfriend of a
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suspect comes forward with new and disturbing evidence she described a few incidents between the two of them one of
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them she she said they were in a hot tub together and he held her head underwater
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to the point where she was gagging on the water I thought was he going to drown me there and put me in his
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truck this is the story of the South Lake Tahoe Strangler and how a remarkable new technology investigative
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genetic genealogy is used against him as a weapon without forensic genealogy in this case I don't know that we would
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have solve it it was a huge part of this investigation criminals who hide in the
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shadows for years now discover they may not be able to hide from forensic science and their own family tree I'm NY
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Grace this is bloodline Detectives [Music] 1977 El Dorado County on America's West
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Coast it's a former gold rush area but now it's better known for unspoiled
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scenery and Lively casinos El Dorado County is in Northern California it's approximately 200,000
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residents it stretches from the border of Sacramento County all the way up to the border of Nevada and South like
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Tahoe Tahoe in the 70s was a place to be seen outside of Vegas by the major stars
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of the day they had Elvis sunny and share Florence Henderson there were a lot of local stars back then that were
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at the casinos in the Nevada side and back in the 70s the Hard Rock was the Sahara it was a mecca for for young
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people in their early 20s to work and party and and spend their time Bren Rainey and her brother moved
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to California searching for New Opportunities Bren rainy was originally from Ohio she came out to the Lake Tahoe
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area in 1977 she came out here with other family members fell in love with the South Lake
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Tahoe area and decided to stay April of 1977 she's hired by the Sahara Casino as a Kino runner from
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people and they take them in and take your money and go place the bet for you and bring it back and they would run
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around the Caso back in those days when they had Kino and it wasn't all electronic run the numbers and then take
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them back to the person July 25 1977 bran Rainey doesn't show up to work she was due to work at 2: a.m. on the
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25th she never showed up for that work shift on the August 15th her landlord reported her missing the landlord had
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said that he had seen her around the time that she'd last when scene which would have been around July 24th and
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that he had not seen her since they did an initial investigation they contacted family members they talked to her
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employers and did what they could they also put out an APB they called back then and it was a national notification
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of a missing person that was out so they did pretty much all they could do with that at the
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time one month after Bren rainy's reported missing horseback Riders make a gruesome Discovery near the casino town
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of state line on August 20th 1977 a body was found at the horse stable Park she was found just off a trail in a shallow
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grave that had been Disturbed it was a very horrific scene she was pulled out of the Grave that she
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was buried in the grave site was about 6 feet by uh 18 in by about 2 ft deep and
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she had been dug up out of the Grave by animals and partially exposed her clothing was found about 30 ft from her
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that included in her panties the bra the shirt the blue jeans uh her purse among
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her belongings was a work identification that included her name and that led detectives at that time to identify her
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as Bren R detective send Bren rainey's body to the coroner for autopsy the autopsy showed that the
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cause of death was strangulation she had bruising on her as well as a broken high
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bone anytime you have a a shallow grave that's been pretty dated um by animals
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there's other layers that you have to sift through and trying to figure out what's a wound and what's an animal Mark
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and they also would have been able to tell whether or not it was human blood and they would have been able to
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identify seminal fluid the fact that her clothing had been removed from her body and was
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located near the shallow grave would suggest that she was brought out to that location alive whatever assault occurred
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likely occurred at that that location and then she was killed at that location and the killer of course took some
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rudimentary steps in order to conceal the body by putting it in a shallow grave and then you have to consider the
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digging of that grave and you wonder if it occurred prior to the murder in other
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words did the killer prepare that spot in advance or is it something that was done on the spur of the
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moment now police must tell Bren rainey's family the horrible news we weren't able to make death
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notification in person and so a local law enforcement reached out to law enforcement in the state of Ohio and
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asked for their assistance and as part of that process it came to light that brinn's mother had a heart condition and
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there was some concern that the shock of learning that her daughter had been murdered could have a a physical effect
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on her and so local law enforcement was able to get her physician at the time to
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come with them when they went to her home and broke the terrible news that her daughter had been
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murdered Brin did not have any enemies there was no one that would have had a reason to kill her and the family just
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wanted to know what happened they believe that someone could have possibly been responsible that they
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knew one of the interesting facts in this cas case is that an unidentified male called Brin ry's employer and
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informed them that she would not be showing up for her shift at the casino where she
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worked we certainly don't know for sure who that was that made the call but under the circumstances and the fact
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that brenn at that time was likely already dead it would strongly suggest that the killer made that call in order
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to buy more time before people knew she was missing while detectives try to trace that
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mystery Coller they also piec together Brian rainey's last known movements she'd been picked up earlier
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that evening by a friend and dropped off at a bar that used to be there called The Bitter Creek it was just kind of a
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beer bar and she had gone to this bar and Witnesses were interviewed that said that she was in the bar and she was
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there till that evening and she had told her friend that she was going to catch a
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bus but we're talking about her shift starting at 2 A.M on the 25th and to me it sounds like she either
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could have been hitchhiking or picked up a ride from somebody else to try to get
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down the boulevard which would have been a good five or six miles away one of the
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main guys that they focused in on was a boyfriend that had come from Ohio and he
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was infatuated with her but then they were able to eliminate him pretty early because they were able to prove that he
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had left town 2 days before Bren Rainey was last seen two years go by and detectives run out of
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leads and the case became cold as a result but on July 1st 1979 young woman's body was found on the side of
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the road by a passing Motors and reported to law enforcement 2 years after Bren rainy's
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murder the discovery of a second young woman's body in the same area injects
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new life into the investigation could the same killer be responsible for both murders that's next on bloodline
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[Music] detectives August 1977 horseback riders in California Sierra Nevada mountains
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discovered the remains of a woman in a shallow grave close to Lake Tahoe she's
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later identified as a casino worker 27-year-old Brian rainy police have very few Clues and the case goes cold then 2
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years later a second female victim is discovered nearby young woman's body was found on
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the side of the road in South Lake Tahoe a passing motorist saw her body laying on the side of the road and stopped and
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then contacted law enforcement and reported that they had found what they believed to be a deceased young woman
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she was wearing socks no shoes jeans and rock and roll Rod Stewart t-shirt from a
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concert in 1979 but she had pretty significant injuries to her upper body facial area neck area ligature marks
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were apparent on her wrists on her face there was a elongated mark on her cheek that looked like it either could have
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been some type of gag or a rope that had caused the damage later on they found that her bra was pulled over her breasts
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and under her shirt and that she had fingernail scratch marks under her right breast detectives struggled to identify
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the victim then they received news of a missing person the South Lake Tahoe Police Department had learned that there
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was a party and that there were juveniles at the party and when they investigated that party which was near
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where the body had been recovered they were able to identify a young man who had picked this young woman up and
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brought her to the party and then essentially lost track of her they're actually the ones that helped identify
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her the next day there were some police officers that went down to a local Beach
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called Reagan Beach and talked to her uh friends who these boys and they're the
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ones that said I think that might have been this uh friend of ours named Carol Anderson they were able to go and
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contact the victim's parents the parents showed a photog PHH of their daughter
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Carol Anderson and law enforcement was immediately able to recognize that they had found this couple's
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daughter an autopsy reveals the cood cause of death Carol's body showed signs
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of severe trauma to her face to her neck she showed signs of ligature marks on her wrist as if she'd been tied Carol
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also had a damaged hyoid bone Carol's cause of death was strangulation as well
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they looked at clothing items just to see whether or not there was anything odd about the clothing items that were
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there they collected quite a few clothing items all of the undergarments the outer garments they're looking for
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any kind of bite marks things like that that they might be able to get any kind of body fluid from a suspect or a
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perpetrator and they're taking hair samples so they're taking hair from the
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the pubic area they're taking hair from the head and that way we can do any comparisons if there's any any of those
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those pieces of evidence that are found later on somebody uh on their clothing or anything else if they have a
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suspect forensic investigators collect a DNA sample that does not belong to the victim in the meantime police piece
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together Carol Anderson's Final hours that morning it reported that she left her house around 10:00 a.m. on
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Saturday now it's summer she's out of school it's South Lake Tahoe the
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weather's beautiful it's a beautiful place and she's hanging out with her
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friends so she's down at Reagan Beach where all the kids hung out going back
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and forth probably to liquor stores or doing whatever they do there as kids she hears about a party which is not very
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far from Reagan Beach this party that Carol had been at was given by guys that were in their early 20s that were
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renting the house and there were quite a few people there 60 to 70 people it's
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estimated were at the party and reports indicate that she was there in the evening and she was there and then left
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around 11:30 there's different stories that she was offered rides and refused
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them and there's other people that say she left with somebody and then there's
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all kinds of different theories that were looked at one of the early thoughts was that
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because Carol Anderson had been at this party that her killer may have been at the party and that may be where her
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killer came into contact with her and perhaps lured her away from the party or was willing to give her a ride away from
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the party or a ride home and that's how he was able to gain control over her and
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so it was really important to us to identify as many people as possible who are at that party to see if any of them
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either might be responsible for Carol Anderson's death or might know something
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that would help us move the investigation forward police follow up on every single
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lead but in the end Carol Anderson's case goes cold then in the early 2000s a Cold Case unit
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reopens the investigation one of the things that moves any of these cases forward
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dramatically is when we're able to develop some forensic evidence that can link the killer to the crime and in the
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Carol Anderson case we were able to test samples that have been collected during
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her autopsy and preserved for decades and and the result of that testing was developing a male DNA profile and so you
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need to find that person and you need to match them to the evidence that they left behind and one of the first things
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we do when we have a robust profile is we add it to the codus uh database and we look to see if there are any matches
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to known offenders and in this particular case there were no matches and so we needed to continue to search
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for people who may have crossed paths with Carol Anderson who may have been in the area
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who may have been motivated to commit this kind of a crime and get from them either surreptitiously or voluntarily a
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DNA sample to test back to the crime scene DNA detectives have an individual DNA
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profile for the prime suspect now they need to match that profile to a name they were focusing on the party where
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she'd last been seen and the people people that were at the party so there were a lot of interviews and identifying
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the people that were there and getting their names it became a priority to go out and try and get their DNA the
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investigator that actually had it Brett Peterson he had two binders for people that were at the
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party one binder was people that were in cotus or that we had DNA from and the other binder was people that needed to
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get it and that binder the team would periodically we'd be somewhere we'd find
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somebody when we go interview them and we get that DNA check it and it would come back negative you know but we kept
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going kept pushing it it's a huge task 60 coal cases and a mountain of evidence we brought together all 60
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unsolved cases and we did a thorough review of each and every one of them and we tried to categorize them so we had
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cases from the 70s and the 80s where physical evidence items were collected at the crime scene packaged and
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preserved by law enfor for ment but had never been subject to to modern technology and had never been checked
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for DNA evidence for example and so we started working through those cases as our first step we
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identified the Brin rainy case as one that had never been subject to Modern forensic Technologies and we thought
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that might provide us with a lead in 2017 Deanna Hayden who was a senior criminalist at the Department of
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Justice reexamine the shirt I remember it being at the task force and the discussion taking place that she said
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you know I think I'm going to take another look at that shirt and see what I can find and she did that she took
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another cutting off of blood stain was able to develop a pretty significant DNA profile the DNA extracted from Bren
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rainy shirt undergos testing alongside the male DNA collected from the Carol Anderson crime
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scene on November 17 of 2017 we received a message from doj that we had a match between the bin rainy case and the Carol
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Anderson case through DNA it meant that the same suspect was involved in both Brinn and Carol's murder when we got
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that information from DOA we brought the team together and started again reviewing the case looking at the
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similarities and we started to make assignments for follow up on what we were going to do next the really
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interesting thing is these two cases happened in such close proximity and time to each other and we were working
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them in parallel really and then all of a sudden we have no longer in parallel we have one investigation for these two
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cases and I'm sure that was something that investigators were happy to hear this was new information this changed
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the way that we had been looking at both of these cases and we immediately started to look for the imaginary ven
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diagram of where and what connection these two victims might have with one another and that was a big leap forward
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as far as as searching for the killer two victims one killer can a new generation of bloodline detectives crack
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this case that's [Music] next 2017 South Lake Tahoe California two young women murdered just two years
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apart yet both their cases remain unsolved nearly 40 years the remains of Brien Rainey found in
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1977 the body of teen girl Carol Anderson Just 16 discovered nearby 1979 then 2017 a breakthrough detectives
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discover the suspects DNA samples from both murders are not just a match they're a perfect match now all
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detectives need is a name one of the first things we did was go back and re-review everything that we
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knew and everything that we thought we knew about both the Carol Anderson case and the Bren Rainey case and what we
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were looking for was any connection that we had failed to see in the past any new
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interpretation that we could make of the information that we had based on the new
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knowledge that they had been both killed by the same person it also of course brought to the Forefront the idea that
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we were dealing with a person who was a serial killer in the sense that had killed at least twice and had killed two
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young women both in the South Lake Tahoe area had disposed of the bodies in a somewhat careless manner there were
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there were some real indicators there that made us feel very strongly that we were going to be able to identify a
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suspect that same year investigators team up with DNA investigative specialist parabon
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nanolabs I joined forces with parabon to offer a genetic genealogy service to law
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enforcement I was one of the early adopters and one of the pioneers of genetic genealogy and since that time my
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team and I have been responsible for over 275 positive identifications we started
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with two types of DNA tests called y DNA and mitochondrial DNA and then in 2010 is when we started using autosomal DNA
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which is the basis for investigative genetic genealogy and the work we do with law
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enforcement we reached out and we established a contract with parabon we shared with parabon the DNA information
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that we had in 2017 the prim scene DNA sample was sent to parabon and parabon created a snip
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profile with their partner lab they worked with the agency on this case to predict what the suspect may have looked
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like phenotyping is where you take areas in the DNA and you estimate genetic expressed
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traits so so that would be where they would go through and look at these areas of the DNA and decide whether or not
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they felt somebody had brown hair blue eyes whether or not they had any kind of predisposition for baldness whether they
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would have had a round face a Slender face those types of things to try and build what they would imagine would be
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how the DNA would Express itself visually to us the phenotype test indicates the
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suspect is Caucasian with dark brown hair and dark eyes in December 2017 parabon delivered their report with the
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snapshot phenotype predictions to the agency and so in early May the case managers reached out to the El Dorado
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authorities to ask them if they might be interested in trying genetic genealogy on Carol's case and they agreed
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autosomal DNA is the type of DNA that you inherit from all of your ancestral lines you receive 50% from your mother
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and 50% from your father about 25% from each of your grandparents and about 12.5% from each of your great
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grandparents and that type of DNA is essential to being able to identify someone from their DNA alone we need to
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have lots of information and we need to be able to piece that family tree together and so we have to have DNA from
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different sides of the family tree from different ancestral lines we had a handful of matches that would be related
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somewhere in the second to fourth cousin range and that means we're building
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those trees back to great grandparents great great grandparents and then great great great grandparents trying to
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identify those common ancestors it only took 2 days to narrow the genetic genealogy data down to Just Three
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Brothers three brothers that could potentially have been the contributors of the DNA recovered from Carol Anderson
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and from Bren rainy the one that was of greatest interest to us was Joseph Holt because
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we were able to establish that he lived in and around the South Lake Tahoe area during the time frame that these crimes
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occurred through our investigation we found Joseph Hulk had grown up in Cupertino California he graduated from C
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Pino high school he went to Berkeley he moved to South Lake Tahoe he became a realtor his profession throughout his
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life was real estate he had a a son he was married at one point we learned about some of Joseph Holt's
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relationships with different women investigator gains talked to a former girlfriend who said that Joseph Hol
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wanted to tie her up when they were intimate one woman messaged us and said that she had dated Joseph Hol that she
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had met him in South Lake Tahoe that woman is Colleen Wilson like the murder victim br rainy Colleen is a
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casino worker living in the South Lake tahoo Area I received a phone call from a
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homicide detective and my heart just dropped when he introduced himself I think he
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said you used to date Joseph H and I said uh yes a long time ago and I told him that I was living in a duplex on ski
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run and he was the real estate agent and I remember he came over to meet me and told me he was going to be showing
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the place he would call me ahead of time and I came home and there were some flowers on my table and I thought okay
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did he show it to clients and there was a little note there a little card saying
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thank you for being cooperating You Know You're great and then I it said I I like
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you mucho moss and I go okay this is really strange you know so came over I said did you show the place yesterday I
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you you were in here and he says oh yeah I did you know didn't my office call you
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and I said no you know and he said oh I'm so sorry about that let me take you
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to dinner I'm so sorry you know to interrupt your life right now and I know it's busy so I said okay you know so and
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he said let's go to the hot tubs and I said okay and he goes yeah you need to
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relax let's go run a hot tub they were private uh we went in we're having a
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great time and then I made a comment I go oh I guess my waterproof mascara isn't water uh proof and then he took
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the back of my neck and he dunked my head he goes well I could take care of that and he dunked my head in the hot
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tub to where I mean then I didn't think it was funny I mean I was gagging water
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and I said that's not funny what are you doing he goes oh I'm sorry I'm sorry I
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was just joking and I think I was crying he goes I'm sorry come here and I said
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get the away from me and and he goes no please please don't walk home it's dark
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out don't walk home it's not safe I will take you home and I said you're not
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taking me anywhere Colleen Wilson's testimony paints a disturbing picture of Joseph
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Hol but where is Holt we find out next on bloodline [Music] detectives now bloodline detectives are
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investigating two Cold Case murders and they make a remarkable breakthrough the victims are two young women murdered 2
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years apart way back in the 70s near South Lake Tahoe Northern California the Breakthrough is thanks to the expertise
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of parabon nanolabs whose scientists are experts in genetic genealogy using DNA left at the crime
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scenes parabon Narrows the suspects down to a single family police then identify
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Joseph Hol as the likely killer detectives then interview a former girlfriend of Holt who offers a shocking
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account of their time together Colleen Wilson recalls Holt pushing her head underwater in a hot
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tub I thought was he going to drown me there and put me in his truck and dump me somewhere I thought about that a lot
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I called my friend who worked in surveillance at Harvey's and he said lock the doors I'll be
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over he had an extra truck he parked it in front of my duplex and he came over and installed
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some locks so I remember bolting every time I I went to sleep every little noise would wake me up is it him
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creeping around the next day came with flowers again can't apologize you know
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I'm sorry I didn't you know I it got out of hand I was just you know rough
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housing around and he said we need to go on a road trip we need to go on a road trip go to the ocean get off the hill
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you know get down the sea level let me make it up to you I'm going to take you
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to Santa Cruz we'll go to San Francisco wherever you want I almost went cuz he
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told me he would he goes how much do you make it work I go well you never know what tips are going to go he goes I will
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pay you to take the weekend off I said no I think it was like the second month just really odd things were happening I
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could tell somebody was coming into my place while I was at work and I remember talking to my sister about it first she
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thought it was funny and I didn't I said no he's starting to get really creepy and you know and I I I asked her
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about the zip ties in his truck I go they were all over the floor floorboard and she says well he could use them for
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his real estate signs and then I go okay all right and then he called and left a
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pretty nasty message on my answering machine and said well you oh I see you've moved on you know how many guys
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do you date you know I see you have overnight guests all the time I thought okay you know I I really need to put
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some distance between he and I then he just kind of disappeared I remember seeing him I think it was in
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1995 in ry's up here and I go oh my God that's Joseph hle and I went down the
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other eye I think I was about eight months pregnant and I know he saw me cuz they looked and I I'm out of here with
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my basket I think I just left that stuff there and went in the car in hindsight colen Wilson believes she had a very
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lucky escape from Joseph Holt Holt's on Escape comes in a different and unexpected way after we identified
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Joseph Holt as a suspect we learned that he had passed away in 2014 from a heart
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attack and first thing we do when we find out that someone is dead is we we try to see if there were any tissue
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samples collected whether an autopsy was perform if there's any possibility that
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there's something out there we can use to compare that deceased person's DNA
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with the DNA from the crime scene itself and in the case of Joseph Holt there was
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nothing left so we had to move on to looking at his descendants in particular we focus on male descendants who are
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going to carry the father's DNA and their own DNA Matrix I met with a son told him that I believe that his dad may
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have known Carol Anderson and that I would like to get his DNA to eliminate him and the son was uh Cooperative very
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Cooperative he told me that he had several things that belonged to his dad that he had cleaned out his dad's house
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and had moved the things and that he had access to those things so I asked him if
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he would bring me some things that may May belong to his dad that we might be able to establish DNA from and he said
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he would be willing to do that and he said he didn't want me to go with him he
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wanted to bring them to me and he brought me a jacket some eyeglasses a wallet a used qtip some I believe
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scissors five harmonicas and a toothbrush I took them and packaged them up as evidence and I brought them back
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to our office I conferred with Deanna Hayden and she said that she believed the toothbrush would be the most viable
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to get DNA from that was transported to the DNA laboratory in Richmond and she did the testing on it and confirmed that
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Joseph Holt was our perpetrator the story of Joseph Holt the South Lake tahoo Strangler doesn't quite
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end there coold case detectives are certain he murdered Bren Rainey and Carol Anderson but they also suspect
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Holt could be responsible for many other deadly crimes we find out more next on bloodline
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[Music] detectives Lake Tahoe California 2022 bloodline detectives identify the killer of two young women in the late
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70s the investigation is helped by parabon Nano Labs which specialize in investigative genetic
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genealogy the Killer is Joseph Hol Holt now dead but investigators are convinced
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he's responsible for many other crimes people who commit random acts of violence particularly the ones that do
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it repeatedly like Joseph Holan sometimes will document what they've done during the search we found some
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interesting items we found some weapons a couple of them were illegal sought off
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shotguns that type of thing stun gun handcuffs I did find a newspaper clipping from him that was from losgatos
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and he had handwritten on it the date of January 30th 1975 and it referenced a burglary of a
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vehicle that occurred and that one of the victims had been shot so they did a composite with the
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victims of the suspect and if you look at that composite and you look at a picture of Joseph Hol don't think it
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takes a seasoned investigator to see the similarities in in that composite we'll never really know how
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Joseph Holt selected his victims we'll never really know how he came into contact with Brin Rainey similarly to
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Brin Rainey we're really never going to know how Joseph Hol came into contact
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with Caroline ERS we know that he was living near where the party took place and it's reasonable to suspect that he
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was passing by the party saw Carol Anderson perhaps walking or hitchhiking away from the party trying to get home
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that evening and he offered her a ride I was present when investigators met with uh Carol Anderson's family uh
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to to tell them what we had learned and to share with them that we had identified uh Carol's killer uh but
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unfortunately he was dead and he was beyond you know the reach of Justice Brin rainy's family was still primarily
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in Ohio and her brother lived in a very rural part of Colorado so uh some of these contacts by necessity uh had to be
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made telephonically and one of the investigators on the case and I called her brother and and broke the news to
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him and it was it was very impactful for him to know finally what had happened to his
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sister and to have a better understanding of everything that we had done in order to try to solve the case
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and to provide some degree of closure and he was uh remarkably grateful for what we had done even though it wasn't
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going to result in a prosecution or a conviction I think Joseph Holtz was a very sick individual and he has proven
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he was capable of incredible levels of depravity and violence and evil and I don't know what makes a person like that
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I mean often times it's a bad childhood some people just aren't good people and I don't know that we'll ever
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know the answer to that maybe something traumatic happened to him when he was young but it doesn't sound like that
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something will ever now ultimately the South Lake Tahoe strangler's identity is revealed through
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advanced science called investigative genetic genealogy detectives and scientists alike use it to solve cases
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that are 30 40 even 50 years old I think it was big news when we were able to put
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on social media that the case had been solved that both cases from the 70s had been solved I think it was big news for
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the community to know that the task force that the agencies in the county are still working on these cases that
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are that old was surely exciting for us as a task force having worked these cases for 78 nine years to bring one to
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closure is always exciting for us to give the families of the victims closure is really one of our biggest goals I
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think most of the time there's something left behind by the suspect in these
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cases I think as science progresses we will be able to utilize the smaller pieces of evidence more and more as we
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go we owe a huge debt of gratitude to those original crime scene investigators for
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collecting this evidence there is no way they could have known way back in the 70s just how important this evidence
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would be law enforcement wasn't even working with DNA yet at that time and then the agencies that were in charge of
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storing this DNA for decades just did an incredible job and there's no way that
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this case could have been solved without those original crime scene investigators
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and the agency that so carefully protected this DNA evidence for decades I wish he were here today to face the
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families face the courts rot in jail he's evil gets pleasure off a causing woman
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pain I don't think he ever changed I would not be surprised at all if there were more victims I had no idea
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he was capable of what he did I thought I am so lucky right now because I really
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started thinking about it and I said he kept pressuring me to go on that road trip with him and I thought what if I
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didn't come back you know I what if he threw me on the side of the road and my mother used to tell me it's
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the quiet ones you have to watch out for and I I thought oh my mother you're
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right I mean she was right it's amazing when we realize that now so many brutal Killers can never hide from their
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own DNA their own family tree or from the incredible science of investigative genetic genealogy we can only imagine
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the look of shock on their faces when years later when they believe they've gotten away with horrible crimes
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