00:00:03
[Music] thank you remember when that saw that store and he's going to come out come out come out
00:00:20
it's just there's a red star and we'll all run out of the Caravan to
00:00:26
have a look at this Redstone and it was a pylon well anytime we would go out and if
00:00:34
there's any stores anywhere open tonight Robin that's how I remember just like that
00:00:45
um yeah or a smile you look very in love I've told you away this is the Metro that my dad got off
00:01:06
after he'd been out to Newcastle and start to make his way home but never made it
00:01:18
tonight I come home and Robin wasn't there [Music] Earth could he be about 20 yards behind Robin with two men
00:01:38
looked as if they were following him from underneath the underpass the checkout operator and I can remember
00:01:47
them being in and can remember seeing that they had some blood staining on his clothing
00:01:54
within 15 minutes are spending the money from a man who just murdered and robbed
00:02:01
the total strangers that were they didn't even live well near where we lived
00:02:10
there shouldn't even have been off at that train station you just wanted to hurt someone in fact
00:02:16
I think they wanted to kill someone I think that was their intention they were looked for trouble all night
00:02:23
long that night and they didn't find trouble they found my dad and I heard him
00:02:31
and I killed him [Music] [Music] the weather on the 23rd of April 2004 was very fine
00:02:55
[Music] it was an unusually nice day [Music] I was at the flat but it was an electrician coming
00:03:07
I forgot to take the money to place by the electrician so Robin popped in I'm so grateful for this but he popped
00:03:16
in with the money and he was all about his suit on and his tie on and he was just dead handsome just gorgeous
00:03:23
I hooked him still wearing me marigolds let's just sticks in my house for some
00:03:27
reason and uh well a kiss now he gives the money and us is right I'll see you later
00:03:34
he went by to work after he saw me there was teacher training at the time so I'd
00:03:42
been to school that day teaching a class and I always remember as I left one of the teachers said have a nice weekend as
00:03:49
you do then I went home and I remember watching a Dolly Parton documentary and I went to bed just like
00:03:58
any normal night on the Friday Night of the 23rd I went to Stockton to do a gig because I'm a
00:04:06
performer I'm a singer and it was a working man's club and I used to do them
00:04:11
quite regularly I went down really well and like I said it was a good night dad had gone out quite late I think it
00:04:26
was maybe nine o'clock you know just as a last minute thing because his friend
00:04:31
had called him up this night I come home and uh Robin wasn't there and I thought he might have been in bed
00:04:43
you know he wasn't in the living room so I thought I must be in bed I think I put the television on I did
00:04:50
shout of him and I thought well he's either not answering me or he may not be
00:04:54
one top and he wasn't bad and I thought strange for him not to be home well Earth could he be
00:05:06
now come back in the living room not to stop there was a message on the answer machine on the phone
00:05:11
so I flew the message and it was his friend us and him if he wanted to go for a couple of paints I thought he'd
00:05:17
obviously gone out I ran his friend and so it's Robin with you and he said no no we should have should
00:05:28
be home now definitely he said he's definitely coming home that's as well
00:05:33
he's not home don't know what's happened to him a round Robin's form
00:05:45
that says Robin the male voice he says no it's not no it's not Robin or something like that
00:05:54
and I says hey I'm sorry I must have the wrong number maybe so I've hit I don't know I just
00:06:00
was quite shocked so I hung up and I rang again and the phone was off I'll run up to my sister's house who
00:06:09
lived about uh three doors away from me and uh she come down and I was saying I don't know where he
00:06:15
is I don't know there's some Something's Happened I feel like something's
00:06:18
happened to him and I said look I'm gonna I'm gonna walk up to the metro station
00:06:33
because he might have had a fall on the way home I put my coat on I said you stay here
00:06:41
I'd rang the police at that time it was around about 5 a.m on the morning of the 24th of April
00:06:58
the wife of the victim Angela chard had rung the control room to report at her husband Robin child had been missing
00:07:08
from home she said that it was out of character for Robin to be missing you can imagine 47 year old guy no real
00:07:21
reason to think anything suspicious had happened at that particular stage I think the time was around about six
00:07:29
o'clock-ish I remember just getting late and I thought I'm gonna have a walk
00:07:37
alone and see if I can find Robin I remember walking up here frantic and just wondering where Robin was so I'm
00:07:46
looking all over obviously and just shouting his name Robin Robin as long as I could
00:07:55
on the 24th of April 7 30 in the morning the phone rang and obviously walk me off
00:08:03
and straight away I thought that's unusual I went to the phone and Mom said Juan I don't mean a Warrior but is your
00:08:15
dad there it was really wrong and I said no what's wrong what's what's the matter which one
00:08:23
you didn't come home I said right I'm coming over I got into the house started asking mum
00:08:31
questions if he was getting the Metro home which he would do he'd walk down what we call a black path
00:08:37
I said have you been up to the back path and she said I've been he's not there
00:08:43
I just had this picture in my mind of a way like if some Wasteland just off this
00:08:48
bypass that I thought you might be there I don't know why I sort of went there
00:08:53
and I was actually looking for him beaten up that's what I thought had happened
00:08:59
but I thought I'd find him alive [Music] around about 8 A.M on the morning of
00:09:09
Saturday the 24th of April the control room in Northern Brad police received a telephone call from a
00:09:16
gentleman he had came across a body in a ditched area near to where the mission person
00:09:28
lived when uniform bosses attended they initially found that the male had some clothing missing
00:09:40
they could also see blood staining around the head area and the guy's shirt had been pulled up
00:09:47
and there were some marks on his back and to all intents and purposes it looked as if the death was suspicious at
00:09:56
that stage next thing I remember was a bit of a blue I just remember being outside in the
00:10:06
street a man who lives a few doors or held me at Arms of said Juan I found your dad's glasses on the black path
00:10:16
it was like phoned your dad I don't know if she said he was I don't think she said he was dead
00:10:26
just remember like I knew something was wrong I just remembered my knees buckled
00:10:30
and I sort of went down under the ground there was an ambulance there that was there for ages and I was like why aren't
00:10:37
they taking the hospital said there was a body they'd found a body [Music] I wanted to know if it was definitely
00:10:48
Robin so my sister reckons that she went along first and when she come back she she said to
00:10:56
me that I was like a wild woman the brother-in-law was standing there George and he's going you're not getting
00:11:05
through you're not getting drunk I remember trying to dive past him but he was big loud and he grabbed us and and I
00:11:11
didn't get through [Music] it wasn't totally that I sort of got the news when I was in mum and Dad's bedroom
00:11:19
with me brother his wife was there I remember her getting told he was dead and his shirt was still hanging on one
00:11:31
he should was still hanging up on the back of the door for the sleeves rolled up as he left her
00:11:38
when he'd taken it off here so if he was sore still there [Music] I didn't find Robin
00:11:52
thankfully first I don't know what I would have done about it actually just discovered
00:11:59
his body it was a grass area just off a foot path it was probably within about 25-30 meters from the
00:12:15
footpath he had been assaulted near to where his body had been found the perpetrators have stamped on Robin
00:12:25
and dragged him into that ditch it actually remarkably when you on the day I was actually standing on the
00:12:32
footpath here and if you were looking across you couldn't see because the body
00:12:37
was concealed in this hollow we obviously do all the forensic work around the recovery of the body
00:12:47
means taking job that took several hours to do at that stage where then in a position
00:12:52
to turn Robin over because he was lying face down um we then put them awful but we then
00:13:01
put them in a body bag we then take them to the local hospital for a post-mortem examination
00:13:08
my Uncle George and my Uncle Kenny identified my dad's body um and I'm really grateful for fun for
00:13:19
doing that because I think that must have just been a very very traumatic experience and something that
00:13:27
you know you can't get that image out of your head could you really the postmortem took considerable length
00:13:36
of time four or five hours after the postmortem when we had the cause of death um the cause of death being asphyxiation
00:13:43
and there will be injuries and things um I then went to visit um the family we told Angela that in our opinion on
00:13:55
the opinion more importantly of the home office pathologist but um Robin had been
00:13:59
murdered [Music] the Metro that my dad got off I've started being out to Newcastle
00:14:13
and started to make his way home but never made it it's hard to come back because I think the last time
00:14:25
he was here he was alive and those are the last steps that he took [Music] when I first met Robin he worked at
00:14:46
osram GCE on the team of valley of making light bulbs and we always used to joke about it being you know meeting
00:14:52
then yeah so I used to say oh yeah the light of my life you know just things like that
00:15:02
mom and dad just just the love teacher there were friends they were always laughing
00:15:09
together it was lovely it's what a relationship should be like foreign aged on the 1st of November 1975.
00:15:20
and got married on the 20th of February 1976. I got pregnant so we brought the wedding
00:15:30
forward I was 18 and so was Robin Robin was 19 two weeks later so he was a bit older than me not much
00:15:41
I couldn't have wished for a better dad than him yeah he was my best friend and I loved him and he loved me
00:16:03
as I was traveling to the scene I received a telephone call to tell me that I'm two young men were in custody
00:16:10
that came completely out of the blue to me I didn't know anything about that
00:16:16
as I was at the crime scene I was asking some detectives to find out who was in custody why have they been arrested why
00:16:24
are they in custody and what's the circumstances surrounding that police received information that two
00:16:31
teenagers have been trying to rob vehicles in and around the metro station the teenagers have been picked up
00:16:39
because of the element of robbery so if they'd been stealing from Cars would
00:16:44
they be willing to steal from a man they were arrested and to be honest I was worried that it was them because
00:16:54
being teenagers there wouldn't have been punished properly they wouldn't have
00:16:58
been named and I don't think they would have gone to a normal prison as it turned out they had nothing
00:17:06
whatsoever to do with it we very quickly eliminated them from the inquiries most homicides happen as a result of
00:17:14
close association between the victim and the perpetrators in a lot of the instances they are family members
00:17:22
um or they are friends and all the rest of it so the starting point inevitably in that is to try and find out where the
00:17:29
people who had been closest to Robin on that particular night were essentially it might sound colors but you've got to
00:17:37
clear the ground under your feet first to just basically say where was Angela where were the children
00:17:44
typically when police will see any type of murder they're looking for somebody
00:17:48
who knows that victim so police will start with the most likely and work outwards the last thing is thinking that
00:17:55
a stranger committed a crime like this that's probably the least likely thing
00:18:00
but it's also the thing that police are most afraid of because that means that
00:18:04
anyone could be a suspect and their investigation is that much harder to complete
00:18:10
I was never interrogated I think I was just felt like I was casually asked where I was and it never felt like an
00:18:17
interrogation but obviously probably later on I thought I'll have been a suspect
00:18:24
having spoken to the people who we've been with and Angela and all that were
00:18:27
quickly made an assessment that this looked like stranger attack that's very rare So based on that you
00:18:37
then begin to think okay where do we start and that's when you start hypothesizing and that's when
00:18:45
you start to put strategies in place as to how we can try and identify the perpetrators this
00:18:51
horrendous attack what struck me immediately was how close it was to the footpath just here there
00:19:02
were some drag marks in the grass you could see but it looked like as if his body had been dragged into this like
00:19:08
shallow ditched area in a bit of an attempt to conceal the body I didn't know how many people had been
00:19:17
involved at a particular stage but what I did know is whoever had done this was dangerous
00:19:25
it's fairly obvious as well that the police need to try and catch whoever it
00:19:30
is as quickly as possible to minimize the risk to the public there was no obvious lines of inquiry at
00:19:38
the scene it wasn't surrounded by houses there was nobody immediately knocked on
00:19:43
a detective's door or approached a detective in any of the cordons and said we know who's done this there was no
00:19:50
telephone calling so the incident room saying XYZ has committed this particular murder there was nothing there was
00:19:58
nothing at all at this particular crime scene to suggest who had done it but very quickly um the Press were on scene
00:20:05
and by that it was the local press merely in the local TV stations we watched every single news report
00:20:16
about Dad would all sit around the Telly every night almost hoping for some for some
00:20:24
news even though we knew everything there was to know at that point still seemed like
00:20:32
a nightmare like that it can't be real that it can't possibly be my dad they're
00:20:38
talking about [Music] Saturday the 24th of April 2004. not when we start the inquiries to try
00:20:54
and establish what has happened the first thing we did was we sent officers to where Robin had been the
00:21:02
night before and the goose in the Gardens public house we made the inquiries there
00:21:07
we tracked Robin's movements from there and we managed to through a lot of painstaking work truck Robin getting on
00:21:13
the Metro we had him going down the Escalade us we had him boarding the train then we track him coming out of with
00:21:22
Metro Station and his root would have taken him from he was Metro station down a foot path to
00:21:28
an underpass and he would have walked across there to take the shortcut to his home address
00:21:35
he was found murdered not far from there ultimately for us there was some cameras
00:21:43
the ones outside of here with Metro station actually were really poor they were grainy they were just weren't good
00:21:49
you could identify Robin a tiny little dot but you couldn't really identify anything else
00:21:55
but as he made his way to the underpass there was some underpass CCTV footage and that proved to be Dynamite really
00:22:04
important because it showed Robin entered the underpass and walking through it and then about 20 yards behind it with
00:22:13
two men wearing quite distinctive clothing and it looked as if they were following him from underneath you
00:22:20
underpass this was probably only 200 yards from where he was murdered as police are piecing together the CCTV
00:22:33
footage they see the moment where Robin Chard is still alive even for trained investigators watching
00:22:41
this footage they know what happens to Robin they know how horrific and awful it must have been for him and know
00:22:49
ultimately what happened to him and now they know they have to watch this and there's nothing they can do to stop it
00:22:55
but they have to see it all occurring in order to help solve this crime we had the footage of two men in the
00:23:03
underpass we backtracked from that onto the Metro System that sounds as if it's an instantaneous
00:23:11
thing that can be done immediately the click of a fingers there's actually hundreds of cameras on the Metro system
00:23:17
and it takes time probably two three days of painstaking CCTV work well we're in a state of limbo
00:23:28
the days were long and it was like a waiting game it was a week after that had been
00:23:37
murdered I remember my uncle Philip had really sort of Taken on the role of you know
00:23:45
looking after everybody and I had a trip out to Asda I remember I went over to the newspapers
00:23:53
and I saw him on the front cover and I just started to cry and sob and I remember people looking at us and I
00:24:00
thought you don't realize that's my dad on there [Music] we were confident we could probably
00:24:10
identify the two individuals the difficulty I had was do I go public with um producing those two images
00:24:21
you're balancing that against the dangers to the public obviously of getting them arrested
00:24:26
so what we did was we started to show the images in the police station to offer us to at least that particular
00:24:33
area and lo and behold um one of the officers that was shown the picture immediately recognized the
00:24:41
two men one was called Christopher Smith and the other one was called Joseph Scott May
00:24:55
it was nine days after Dad was found dead but they found the people that had killed him
00:25:03
Christopher Smith who's 24 and Joseph May was 27 at the time that particular day the Friday of the
00:25:11
23rd of April pride of Robin's murder he had been involved in anti-social Behavior being a nuisance to be frank
00:25:21
with you there was one particular footage called Christopher Smith and he was trying to
00:25:26
Cork somebody into assault he was making stamping actions on the ground and it's
00:25:31
all caught on CCTV footage laughs I'll bear in mind how Robin had died in these foot marks
00:25:41
it was almost scary this has to be very ominous and menacing for the police because they knew if
00:25:49
somebody had potentially seen this stopped him reported this done something maybe this crime wouldn't have been
00:25:56
committed is this something that happens leading up to this crime that instigated this
00:26:03
was there some motivation between this person who knew Robin would be coming through and it was personal between them
00:26:09
police could not at that point rule anything out but they knew this is a man who was very angry
00:26:15
[Music] having identified them we were then on to a Manhunt really and how we go about
00:26:22
the rest of the two of them we're actually now entering whitemere Gardens this is where Joseph and me
00:26:32
lived and as you can see just around where it's an extremely difficult place
00:26:37
to conduct surveillance operations in a car parked on a street here for any length of time which it would have to be
00:26:45
they'll stand out like a sore thumb [Music] I decided that I want to get the two of
00:26:52
them arrested at the same time and I wanted to do that obviously you've got to make sure that they're in the
00:26:58
house at the same time and your trust in the surveillance teams who are experts at these sorts of things
00:27:06
the reason for this thinking and then go to ground and they wanted to get both of these men they didn't want
00:27:17
one to suddenly disappear and they didn't want to go knocking on doors not knowing whether they were there or not
00:27:23
because again the risk of them taking flight and disappearing somewhere was really high
00:27:31
I was probably after two years of surveillance work to work could guarantee that they were in both
00:27:37
aggressors and we entered them by force enforcement lend me through the front doors and arrested the two of them
00:27:50
are arrested they are taken from the address and taken to a police station they were kept
00:27:58
separate for obvious reasons and having arrested them that gives us the power to
00:28:03
search the addresses there wasn't really any doubt that it was there because the police informed us
00:28:11
that they had a lot of evidence transpired that they'd cleaned the house such as the bits that were touched one
00:28:19
that came in after killing them like the light switches door handles and also a knife was used
00:28:28
to clean one of the nails trying to get rid of DNA and blood underneath the nails and that had been
00:28:36
put under the sink with the evidence still on there when we were speaking to Angela just
00:28:46
after Robin's body had been found Angela said she'd rang Robin's number to find
00:28:52
out where he was somebody answered the phone it was a male's voice and it clearly wasn't Robin
00:29:01
but it was answered for a period of time from that information you can try and draw up where that telephone call was
00:29:10
received and that telephone call was made in from Angela into Robin's mobile
00:29:15
phone the mass that that head off was very close to Christopher Smith and Joseph May's home addresses
00:29:22
foreign [Music] Smith and Joseph May around about 8 P.M 9 P.M and the first thing I did was I went to
00:29:33
see Angela uh and I explained that we'd charged two men in connection with murder
00:29:40
I told her who they were at that stage because it was going to become public knowledge
00:29:47
I'd never heard their names in my life didn't know them never seen them in my life before were
00:29:55
total strangers that were they were they didn't even live well near where we lived
00:30:03
there shouldn't even have gonna off at that train station dad left Newcastle around about 11-ish
00:30:13
got a Metro home and sadly that was the Metro that Smith and me also got on into
00:30:20
a different courage and um he got off and he stopped you with and walk tall as you'd normally would
00:30:30
down a path that I've walked down thousands of times late at night on my own as well and felt safe
00:30:38
there's definitely a sense of relief but whoever had done this wasn't on the
00:30:43
streets anymore but when I did find out that one of them had been was on bail at the time
00:30:52
I remember I think like I couldn't understand why someone had who had done what he'd done
00:31:02
to be out on bail you know he's just walking the streets if he hadn't been out on bail
00:31:12
my husband would still be alive [Music] this was a 24-hour garage it certainly was back in 2004.
00:31:26
Smith and me following the murder had come to where we are now with this garage and they came into this garage
00:31:33
and they bought some cigarettes some drinks and some confectionary sweets and they used the 30 pounds that they'd
00:31:42
robbed from Robin chard the checkout Arbor area and I can remember them being in and can remember
00:31:50
seeing Smith had some blood staining on his clothing at the time that was really
00:31:55
important evidence and I would suggest quite callous evidence as well because within 15 minutes they're spending the
00:32:04
money from a man that just murdered and robbed that didn't show any Mercy there couldn't have been any more cruel
00:32:19
than there were in a cowardly act on a defenseless man if you are doing nothing wrong
00:32:27
it's just walking home to his wife I was told Smith hit him on the back of the head
00:32:38
and he went down what I knew initially was that he'd be knocked out beaten put into a ditch and died there
00:32:50
Ali I found out it was much worse than that I hate the fact that they were the last
00:32:57
people to be with him when he was alive I hate the fact that he died alone in a field with his face down in the mud
00:33:07
I'm so this 16 year old boy walked into the police station at gateshead and he asked
00:33:25
to speak to Detectives he then went on to explain that he had been with Christopher Smith
00:33:33
and Joseph May on the day of Friday the 23rd of April 2004. he'd been with him all day
00:33:40
and Smith and me were boasting but they just violently assaulted somebody and um and
00:33:49
stolen from them as well he then went on to see that he started playing Bohemian Rhapsody the queen
00:33:57
track and there's a line in that that says mama just killed the man um and they played that over and over
00:34:04
and over again and they kept singing a song to that thing and he remembers that very distinctly
00:34:16
me and Christopher Smith showed after committing this crime it's very indicative of almost a euphoric manic
00:34:24
feeling that they had they clearly were not concerned that they were going to be
00:34:29
caught while they were doing the behaviors to try to cover up their crimes [Music]
00:34:36
Robin's phone was in Christopher Smith's possession and he left the house for a
00:34:42
very short period of time with the mobile phone in his hand and he came back and he said probably around a
00:34:47
minute and he came back and he didn't have the mobile phone just in front of the car here there's a
00:34:57
drain and I think we put a gully sucker into this strain and we recovered obviously sludge and slurry at the
00:35:05
bottom of the drain but when we went through that and shifted through that we found
00:35:10
um Robin Chad's mobile phone which was a real break When We examined the chip in the phone
00:35:17
we also found that they'd been making telephone calls from Robin's handset to
00:35:23
some Associates of theirs which were able to trace through um Telephone billing so it was quite a
00:35:30
well a very important piece of evidence we had a very compelling case against the two of them very compelling
00:35:39
awful lot of work to be done after that you know and and innocent until proven guilty and then you've got to go through
00:35:45
a court case and a trial process you've got to build the evidence you've got to
00:35:49
prove the evidence [Music] Dad's Body wasn't released for at least a month
00:36:05
because obviously you'd have to have an autopsy and he was taken at the chapel of rest
00:36:11
and that was when I got a little bit of time to be on my own with a coffin and I just
00:36:18
spoke to him and I told him that I would get on with me life I thought what would he say to me if he could if
00:36:32
he could speak to us now I think you would say I'm really sorry this has happened I didn't want it to
00:36:40
happen I wanted to leave I wanted to come home here all well I can't so this has happened
00:36:49
I want you to get on with your life it's a relief for the family to know that the two perpetrators are in custody
00:37:01
but even so it must change your entire world view the world which was a safe and pleasant place to live suddenly
00:37:09
becomes far more frightening [Music] what I remember about dad's funeral is that there was so many people there
00:37:30
was a sad service everyone was just devastated foreign [Music] [Music] even harder again because
00:37:59
you knew he wasn't coming back insane and being married with horrendous [Music]
00:38:09
I couldn't really stand up because I was so destroyed we played some bird song it might sound
00:38:19
a bit cheesy to some people but he loved Nature's we had some nice tunes that I'd
00:38:27
chosen one was Tomorrow Never Comes so I decided that it would be a nice song to
00:38:32
play we had expected that there would be a murder trial which was another thing that we had to
00:38:50
deal with thankfully because there was so much evidence against them they were advised to plead
00:38:57
guilty and they did so not long before the trial was due to take place that was actually a relief
00:39:05
not to have to go through trial and wonder if on a technicality they might get away with it it was a relief
00:39:16
the sentence indeed was given for the 23rd of December for them to be sentenced and they were taken down clearly guilty
00:39:23
away ago when they were pushed off the prison awaiting the sentence no trial the sentencing I remember just
00:39:40
being in an absolute state as I knew that I was going to have to come face to face with them
00:39:48
I don't know why I looked at Christopher Smith just wanting them to look at me in
00:39:52
the eye look at me and all I wanted to do was launch at them well at the both you know I just
00:39:59
I just wanted to give them what they had done to my husband you know [Music] Smith just looked straight ahead with
00:40:08
her face like you know like totally unbothered when they were talking about it when the
00:40:17
judge was taught about what had happened and uh what Robin had been through and you know what they've done to him
00:40:24
the other one had his head down but uh Smith just stood there include the CCTV footage of dad walking
00:40:33
under the underpass and that was the last Satan of him alive [Music] was just too much out I wasn't expecting
00:40:44
to see that and I ran out of the room [Music] the guilty pleas were accepted Christopher Smith caught
00:40:55
life with a minimum wreck ideation of 17 years Joseph May got life with a minimum
00:41:00
recommendation of 15 years but the reality of the situation is the reality is when this in their sentences
00:41:09
they will come out and they will still be relatively young men they asked us if we wanted to appeal
00:41:18
it was three days before Christmas the thought of peeling at that point just felt like too much stress and too
00:41:30
much pain to go through again as the years gradually ticked by I realized it wasn't long enough
00:41:42
Joseph me is out of prison now and Smith is coming for parole I believe that the fourth should have
00:41:54
been sentenced for a lot longer Robin chard was killed in 2004 and now one of his attackers is out he served
00:42:10
his 15-year tariff that's the thing about the justice system I don't think that you can ever
00:42:18
really achieve Justice for a family they will be thinking well Robin doesn't get
00:42:25
another crack at life we've never been given an explanation of why he killed my dad
00:42:35
except that it was gratuitous violence that they did it for fun that wanted to hurt someone the judge said that when
00:42:42
they when they sentenced them he said you looked for someone to hurt that night and you found a peaceful man
00:42:49
walking home to his wife and you chose him they just wanted to hurt someone in fact
00:42:57
I think they wanted to kill someone I think that was their intention they were looked for trouble all night long
00:43:03
that night they didn't find trouble they found my dad and I heard him I killed him
00:43:12
Robin was my world so that we could remember him in a nice way we decided that there would plant trees
00:43:25
in his memory which is only at Drew Ridge Bay and we've planted lots of little
00:43:30
seedlings I think that was about 16 years ago now and they're absolutely huge now
00:43:37
the last time I went there and I saw the trees had grown you know taller than me
00:43:42
it was a nice feeling to think that we'd done that as friends and family and
00:43:48
dad's name and that it had made a difference and that was treated a little sort of mini Forest
00:43:56
and it's a bit of a legacy to leave when Dad was out that night on the 23rd of April
00:44:05
I said to his friend that night and the happiest I've ever been in my life and I'm glad he was the happiest he'd
00:44:13
ever been I'm glad he got to that stage of feeling that happy um but it just saw a bitter sweet to
00:44:20
hear that and then think about what happened you didn't get to enjoy that happiness
00:44:28
you didn't get in that you didn't get another day I haven't remembered about that
00:44:38
it's all right Daisy oh I'll never be okay let's go and pretend like I always do
00:45:00
carry on in your life as best I can [Music] thank you