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Garden Grove California 1987 police get a very disturbing call a landlord says he's found his tenant
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Shannon Lloyd lying face down in his bed Shannon a 23-year-old single mom the officers arrived at the scene they did
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discover that she was nude and had possibly been sexually assaulted investigators run out of leads
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the case goes cold 2 years later another murder discovered on a nearby Rural Road
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the victim 27-year-old Renee quas they noticed what they belied to be a mannequin on the side of the road so
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when they went to go investigate they realized it was a human body she was completely nude and she had ligature
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around her neck investigators have no idea if these Savage crimes are linked is there a serial rapist and killer on
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the loose in California it was like surreal you know just like a flip of a switch who is a
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monster this is the story of a 35e search for the killer of two innocent young women I'm ncy Grace welcome to
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Bloodline [Music] detectives Garden Grove California 1987 it's a small prosperous City in Orange
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County just south of La the crime rate and Garden Grove in nearby communities is soaring in the
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1980s by 1987 Shannon Lloyd is living there a young single mom with a little boy Shannon 23 years old considered a
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lovely young lady you know she had some encounters with law enforcement but she was a loved daughter a loved
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sister and a loved mother on May 21 1987 shedon Lloyd's landlord comes home from work finds his
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bedroom door locked from the inside and the bedroom door to his bedroom was locked and he went to get a key to
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unlocked the door and he discovered Shannon in his bed he went to call the police because it was obvious that she
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was dead the officers arrived at the scene and they discovered her body she was on the bed face down with the covers
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pulled up to her neck upon further inspection that they did discover that she was nude and had possibly been
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sexually assaulted officers arrived on scene and detectives were called in to assist with
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the investigation one of the detectives was Det Ive Ron shave and other guarden Grove Personnel who have since
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retired inside detect as fine a gruesome murder scene it looks like the victim had no chance of
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Escape she had been strangled with a pair of pajamas and the pajamas were still tied tightly around her neck and
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the homeowner untied it thinking that she was possibly alive still she wasn't
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he noticed that she had rigor set in and uh that's when he went to call for help
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at the time in the in the late ' 80s there was not a lot of technology and and leads as far as that goes but they
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were able to Canvas the area they preserved the scene and collected all the physical evidence and any kind of
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forensic evidence they were able to collect and preserve the canvas the area interviewed neighbors uh family members
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and whoever they could in regards to what had occurred to try to learn what happened to Shannon and that was the
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evidence that they were able to work on detectives Chase every lead they quickly come up with a clear picture of
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Shannon Lloyd's final day she had a friend who had been at the house with her prior to the two of them going out
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to Harbor Boulevard York they took the homeowner's car to get around that car
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was found at Harbor and garden girl Boulevard by an officer by the name of Rob mathys and then the actual assigned
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detective turned out to be my future partner in homicide Ron shave and he is one of the best homicide investigators
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I've ever worked with Detective Ron shave and his team began working the case their first
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suspect is the person who reports the murder Shannon's landlord his Alibi is
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solid he's quickly eliminated as a POI Person of Interest we were able to eliminate him quickly he had Witnesses
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at work and the time of death made it impossible for him to have been the killer Santa Lloyd's murder goes cold
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then two years later there's a murder of another young woman also in Orange County are the two murders connected we
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find out next on bloodline [Music] detectives 1987 Garden Grove Orange County California police investigating
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the murder of Shannon L Lloyd a 23-year-old single mom her brutalized body discovered by her landlord there at
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the apartment where Shannon lives detectives work the case but there's certainly no quick break
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through they did a phenomenal job they had a sexual assault kit they had finger prints they had bedding there was a what
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they believed at the time to be a used condom the condom wrapper clothing cigarette butts uh some used some
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partially used there was a Vaseline jar and some other items of clothing that were
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collected the protocols would be that you want to freeze the seam you want to document it through charts and
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photographs and then collect the items of evidence individually you're looking
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for Witnesses you're looking for suspects we thought that uh our techniques were pretty state-of-the-art
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we had techniques to identify fibers and the whole science of fiber identification the blood work that we
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could do at the time would help us eliminate a lot of suspects just by being a secretor or not and blood type
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could be obtained from that at that time I had no idea that just a few years down
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the road we'd have DNA evidence available in 1987 forensic science is in its infancy 21st century DNA
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investigative techniques are still years away so Garden Grove Police rely on Old
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School police methods we had investigators canvasing the area hoping to see somebody come or go from the home
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or a car to come or go from the home but we had nothing back then we didn't have
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ring cameras we didn't have video surveillance on homes like we do today so everything had to be eyewitness
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testimony we didn't have anything that could capture video evidence the investigation goes nowhere investigators
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hope an autopsy of Shannon's body will reveal important Clues Blood and Tissue
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samples are taken at autopsy and tested for drugs and alcohol and a rape kit was collected at
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autopsy it was revealed that Shannon had passed from strangulation at the time that they did discover the body she had
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a piece of cloth tied around her neck so that is likely what was used the evidence from the autopsy is
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useful but it's not enough to advance the investigation months pass and one by
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one the leads dry up when detectives exhaust all those possible leads and there's no other further leads to go on
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a Case unfortunately goes cold they hold on to the case hoping that either someone becomes forward or new
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technology becomes available where then they could revisit reopen those cases so
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it's very important for detectives and police departments to make sure that those cases are never
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forgotten and that's what happens in Shannon Lloyd's case her murder is not
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forgotten two years later another young woman found dead there in Orange County her body discovered by three men near
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the eloro Marine base just 15 short miles north of Garden Grove they noticed what they believed to be a mannequin on
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the side of the road so when they went to go investigate they realized it was a human body she was completely nude and
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she had a ligature around her neck Orange County Sheriffs identify the victim as another single mom 27-year-old
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Renee quas she had a a similar lifestyle to Shannon and she was also very loved by
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her family she was also sexually assaulted and the cause of death was strangulation the rural crime scene
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where Renee qu is found does not provide police with very many Clues there were two individuals that they had suspected
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that Renee had been associating with at the time and those two individuals they had a criminal history but none of those
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leads panned out there was no concrete evidence to tie those individuals to Rene's
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homicide investigators now have two murders both of young women both women assaulted both single moms and both
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killed just 15 short miles apart is that a coincidence the evidence available yields nothing else to link the two
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cases once they kind of identifi those individuals who were the primary Persons of Interest at the time and they
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couldn't make any concrete connections there was no additional physical evidence then that's kind of when the
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case went called years past both murders go cold but there's still active investigations DNA technology is
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advancing and the national DNA database codus is created police revisit the two cases hoping DNA from the crime scenes
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might match an existing person from a different crime so in July of 1997 a suspect DNA profile was obtained
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in the Renee quas Case by the Orange County crime lab and that came from evidence both at
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the scene and from her body and at that time it was uploaded into cotus and had no hits cotus is the combined DNA index
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system that is operated by the FBI in the United States it is a network of local state and National DNA databases
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consisting of convicted offender DNA profiles arrested DNA profiles and profiles from crime scene evidence which
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are known as forensic unknowns the codus database at the national level which is
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known as endis is over 20 million profiles in California the state database known as the Cal doj esce is
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over 3 million profiles the advancements of DNA really started in the early 90s there was a
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case handled by the Orange County Sheriff's Renee quas and they developed a genetic male profile from that
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investigation fast forward a few years in 2002 we developed a genetic male profile on our case so from that point
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they had uploaded that DNA into codus the codus results yield both good and bad news for investigators the
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unknown male DNA from the murders is a match Shannon Lloyd and Renee quas are victims of the same sadistic killer the
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bad news the DN does not match any offenders in the kota's database we were excited because that
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meant we had more parameters that we could compare to determine just based on who was in those vicinities at the time
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would help us focus and at that time Garden Grove had really put a lot of effort they had some retired
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investigators come back to work for them and they were trying to follow up on what leads that they had and maybe
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identify other cases by Mo that they could request DNA samples on so there was a lot of work going on behind the
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scenes that required step-by-step timec consuming efforts that don't necessarily
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lead anywhere until you get that magic hit investigators from Garden Grove and the Orange County Sheriffs now know
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they're looking for one man responsible for two murders and they've got his DNA
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profile but can they get his name that's next on bloodline [Music] detectives Orange County California two
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murders 2 years apart one suspect the first murder in 1987 is when Shannon Lloyd a single mom in her early 20s
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found dead in her apartment then another young woman found dead in 1989 Renee quavas also a young single
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mom DNA proves the Killer is the same man but now police need a name they need to identify
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him I was reassigned to homicide I had worked uh domestic violence prior to that and in 2018 I received a phone call
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from Shannon's brother Tom and boy did I get an earful and he was not happy he
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consistently called for updates by the time that I intercepted the call he was frustrated understandably so he wanted
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answers his mom had passed away and she wasn't able to get that closure that she
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needed at the time of her death his emotions were also really heightened so I had this conversation with him and I
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just listened to him and I didn't know much about the case at that time so after that phone
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conversation I thought about it a lot and it stuck with me and I said well in order for me to really have a good
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understanding I'm going to have to learn this case like the back of my hand and
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that's what prompted me to pull the case to see everything that we had and what
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more we could do and that's when I learned the details of the investigation she really wanted this to
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be solved for the family and she really kept it alive I don't want to say it was
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ever truly closed but her interest is the reason that it it got to the point of IGG
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consideration IGG or investigative genetic genealogy is a forensic tool that delivers incredible results in
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cases that seem impossible to crack when I was with the Orange County homicide task force they came out with a list of
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people that had DNA but no hits in the codus database even though there was not a match in the database it matched the
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two crime scenes together so that was kind of a a higher profile case because we we knew at the time that he had been
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responsible for at least two murders detective terara Ramirez determined to find this brutal
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killer after my initial phone conversation with Tom we stayed in constant contact I told him I said I I
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read your sister's case I'm moving forward with this I will not re Tire until we solve this which is a big
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promise to make and it was a heavy promise because I did a lot of praying hoping that the right answers would fall
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into my lap it just reminded me of the purpose and you realize that these families victims you're their Lifeline
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something that they dwell on day in and day out they don't have other cases they
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don't have other distractions this was the most horrific thing to happen in their life and you were their only
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Lifeline to give them the answer that they're searching for when studying the
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Case Files detective Ramirez struck by the level of detail passed on by the original investigative
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team detective shave did such an incredible job with his investigation I was hoping that maybe they missed
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something or they had overlooked or there was still a potential witness or somebody that I could get that would
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generate a new lead for us they covered everything maybe the most important thing the original investig ative team
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does is that they save crucial evidence like DNA samples that can be analyzed when forensic science techniques improve
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in 2018 the notorious Golden State killer murders in California are solved by a team using investigative genetic
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genealogy could this technique also provide a breakthrough for the two Orange County murders
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the big takeaway for me is that the traditional law enforcement codus database is completely different from
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investigative genetic genealogy DNA you're talking apples and oranges and you can't use one for the other it's a
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completely different process but investigative genetic genealogy uses familial relationships to
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identify unknown individuals uh is the the end goal but based on the number of DNA segments and the length of DNA the
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more of those segments that match the closer related you are I thought well why can't we do that
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with ours maybe that's our answer maybe that'll be something that we can use and
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that's where I started doing my research but at that time it was so new it wasn't
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familiar this is no one really knew what to do with that I contacted an independent lab company and they seemed
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promising and I thought this is going to work we we're going to get our answer
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however when I got the letter I noticed in fine print that they were going to retain all evidence again this was new
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to me so I'm I'm learning as I'm going through this and I reached out to our
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crime lab the question was if we use all this DNA and it doesn't work out I've
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now exhausted all the evidence that we have because the Orange County Sheriff's
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Department the Renee quas case they didn't have any usable DNA or evidence to use it was only in our
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Shannon Lloyd case the stakes could not be higher detective Ramirez must decide whether to
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gamble on using the last bit of DNA evidence for one final test because I had such a good
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relationship with Tom I called him and I said Tom look this is my predicament this is the situation I'm in and
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ultimately he said Tera I I trust what what you decide to do and if we need to wait we wait I sat on it and it just you
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know you get a gut feeling sometimes and I said it's as much as I want this answer now it's not the right time and
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this isn't the right thing to do so you fast forward two 3 years the advancement in the genetic genealogy
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skyrocketed and it became more and more advanced and people were more familiar with what to do with it and then that's
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when I reached out to the Orange County Crime Lab the investigated genetic genealogy unit and that's where I came
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into contact with Dave dekin and then the forensic scientist Anna I had heard wonderful things about her and we came
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up with a plan the plan is to extract an uncontaminated DNA sample from the crime
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scene and this proves far more difficult than first thought I did some research to figure out if snip testing could be
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done for this case and if Poss what lab would be the best choice to do this testing as to not compromise The
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Limited evidence that we had remaining a snip profile is a profile that allows you to look at over 400,000
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points of identification and it's compared in public databases to other snip profiles
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and allows distantly related persons to be known as far as on a match list and from
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match list that you get you can put together family trees and hopefully come to an area where you believe that you
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have an investigative lead that would lead to the identity of either the suspect or the missing person snip
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testing for IGG is still a fairly new technology and it's constantly evolving
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at the start of IGG with the Golden State killer case only single Source DNA samples were used for IG testing however
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this testing has continued to evolve at this point the testing had evolved and the challenging sample for the Lloyd
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case was able to be tested for IGG so the sample was set for snip testing and in March of 2022 we obtained matchless
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results from both Jed match and family treat DNA it's now been over 30 years since
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the brutal murders of Shannon Lloyd and Renee quas and at last the net seems to be closing in on the killer when we
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first obtained these match lists I analyzed the DNA to identify the top matches establish if there's any genetic
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networks of relatives within the match list that are related to each other and to see if there's any other DNA related
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information that can help in our family tree building process we had a number of
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matches with our highest match being in the second cousin range and a number of other matches in the second cousin to
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third cousin range as we were bu building these trees what we were looking for was uh someone that would be
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in the age range that we predicted the suspect would have at the time of the crime and who would have connections to
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the Orange County area so on March 23rd 20122 she came across a gentleman that's a loose term named
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Ruben Jack Wilson Smith he was of the right age frame he also had an Orange County address and when you looked at
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that address he lived 8 miles from where Shannon Lloyd was murdered and approximately 11 miles from
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where Renee qu's body was located a 30-year investigation may be coming to an end police have a suspect
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and the Savage murders of two young moms his name Ruben Smith who is Ruben Smith
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and where is he we find out next on bloodline [Music] detectives Garden Grove California 2022
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detectives closing in on a prime suspect in the homicides of not one but two single moms in the80s 2003 they came
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cases are linked by DNA it proves the same man killed both women it takes over two decades and remarkable advances in
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investigative genetic genealogy to finally deliver the name of a prime suspect who is he Ruben
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Smith he was born in Michigan he did live in the Orange County area in the 1980s and then later moved to Las Vegas
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Nevada in the '90s he was in the military for a short period of time we did some criminal
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history indexes in California and did not find anything so an inquiry was made regarding contacts with law enforcement
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in Nevada and we learned that in 1998 he was arrested for attempted murder and sexual assault and after
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obtaining that report it was clear that he seemed to be what we would expect the suspect and those
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two other murders to be Garden Grove Police and Orange County Sheriffs uncover more about Ruben
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Smith's background they discover a brutal sex assault charge in Vegas it was late 1998 where we found
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that he had been arrested for a sexual assault and and an attempted murder of a female while she was still alive and so
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we dug into that just to see what the circumstances were and the hairs on your neck stood up because I was like this is
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Shannon Lloyd this is a survivor of what Shannon Lloyd I imagine went through because the details were so
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similar and in my gut I knew that this was going to be the right guy but again we still had to move forward
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the attack where he was arrested occurred on July 30th of 1998 and it involved a woman who accepted a ride
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from Reuben and she was a a pretty StreetWise person and she got into that car willingly and it was obvious that once
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she was in that car that he had a plan for her he drove her where he wanted to drive her he tried to kill her while
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sexually assaulting her and she's a true hero for being able to break loose and
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to flee and to actually report the crime in which he got arrested for when I first met him he was very
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nice he was very charming and so I got in the car with him I felt safe with him and as we were driving he kept telling
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me he had to make one stop to a storage unit and when he pulled onto the street I knew right then something was wrong I
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go out of the car somehow we got out outside and he grabbed me by the back of my hair and when he smashed my head up
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against the brick wall I knew I was going to die I I knew it it's the the evil in him the feelings he generated
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off his body I knew if I didn't fight I was going to die it was like surreal you
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know the man was so nice and so friendly and then just like a flip of a switch he
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was a monster she ultimately is like the hero and all this because without her statement and without her will to
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survive we wouldn't be here today because she ultimately was who exposed Reuben Smith to his the horrific crimes
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that he he was doing to these women because of his arrest a Blood Stained card was retained even though
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the case was not prosecuted and other evidence had been destroyed the Las Vegas Metro Police Department still had
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that Blood Stained cart from him thanks to the Las Vegas Survivor police have a clear picture of the
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pattern of Ruben Smith attacks on women but now they've got to be certain the
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DNA blood sample taken by Vegas cops matches the DNA from the Mur ERS of Shannon Lloyd and Renee quavas sounds
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routine right but of course there's a hitch he was married he had a an older
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son and living in Las Vegas he had been arrested for another sex crime he knew that he was going to be going to
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trial he obviously was aware that there's DNA evidence nowadays uh so his fear must have been
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lingering and maybe even a guilty conscience either that or he's afraid of going to prison but he killed himself in
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front of his wife and son maybe represented guilt I don't know we don't understand a lot even today what goes on
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in the mind of an offender like that there are people I've come across that are no doubt just evil and there are
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others who are driven by their own Phantoms that haunt them Ruben Smith's suicide makes it so
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much harder to tie him to the two victims in Orange County but still police have that crucial blood sample
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taken from the Vegas attack in 1988 now we were aware that he had committed suicide at this stage and he
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had been cremated we were able to secure a portion of that Blood Stained card and
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the Orange County Crime Lab was able to develop a profile which matched the suspect
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profile in both the Shannon Lloyd and Renee qu's suspect that crime that he committed in Vegas mirrored exactly what
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the belief was that both Shannon and Renee willingly got into a car with him and yet he had a plan to kill and
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sexually assault them over 30 years later two devastated families and three law enforcement
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agencies in Orange County finally have answers I was told by detective remirez that they found out who the true killer
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was to these cases and I was extremely happy not only for the present detectives but also the past detectives
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that had worked so hard on this case the forensic scientists all the crime scene
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investigators uh for all three uh agencies it was very very joyful day when we found out who the killer was and
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and also for the victim's families the first family member detective Ramirez tells is Shannon
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Lloyd's brother Tom so closure for you would be to find out who did it what if I tell you we have that that
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answer for you we do Tom all right I know that you've been wrestling with this for many many years
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and um we we have a name we have a person that is responsible for for your sister's death his name is Ruben Smith
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and I can show you a picture of him if you'd like I would love to see so what I can say is it doesn't look
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like there's any connection there was any prior connection to him uh knowing
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Shannon prior to uh the night that they met but um yeah by all means let me I will show you
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[Music] piece of garbage have no sympathy for him at all the circumstances are terrible but to be
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able to give this closure and this relief of someone who's waited almost 30 years and deep down inside he thought it
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would never get solved it to me there is there's no better feeling and it it's
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the driving purpose of the sacrifices that you make as a detective it's something that you don't understand
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unless you're in Tom shoes and you don't understand really how much you are their
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lifeline and that's that's that's pretty powerful Ruben Smith may be dead but it
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does not deny two families and law enforcement answers they've wanted for 35
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years that's next on bloodline [Music] detectives Orange County California July
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2022 police prosecutors victims families deliver an emotional news conference to
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announce the murders of Shannon LD and Renee quas are finally solved today is a good day
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I will not speak about the individual who took the life of my cousin Renee but rather share her life with you Renee was
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loved by our grandma Mercedes Renee had Brothers Michael Kelly and Victor she also had a sister named Rene she was
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surrounded by Family Who Loved Her Renee had a son named Lou Ramirez he resembles her
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Plenty he was her Pride and Joy Renee was the kind of mom that gave her son the unconditional love that only she can
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give him if I could speak with my cousin again I would tell her how sorry I am I would make her laugh so I can see
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her beautiful dimples someday I will get a chance again to hug you and to tell you I love
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you save a place for me in heaven it's always good to give some sense of justice to the family obviously
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it's not going to bring their loved one back but to know know that the person
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who was responsible this has been held accountable unfortunately he was deceased at the time so there was no
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prosecution but it gives the family some closure to know that number one we still
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look after these loved ones cases after so long and number two that uh they were
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able to identify a suspect it had been a long time since I'd seen anybody related to the family
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and that's moving when you see their um r resp I can't imagine great it I'm sorry I can't imagine waiting
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that long to find out we would have loved to be able to actually apprehend Ruben Smith and bring
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him to justice but sometimes it doesn't work that way but that's okay we still
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found out who he is what he did and we know the truth the team that finally solves the
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case pays tribute to detectives who precede them and the incredible science of investigative genetic
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genealogy this was the key to solving the puzzle because that name wasn't on
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anybody's radar whatsoever I don't think it would have been solved without IG you had a a
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person that had committed suicide and he knew what the monster he was and I think
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he also realized DNA was on his way and it was becoming known that crimes were being
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solved to see how powerful DNA could be in a case such as the Shannon Lloyd and Renee quas cases was incredible they
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were tested multiple times using DNA and then in the end the newest DNA technology which is IGG was able to put
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closure on both cases that's why I think it's still important to test DNA from
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old cases an old sexual assault kit with the newest DNA technology CU you never know what other cases that it may link
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to I'm just really happy that we were able to bring closure to the victim's
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families and that we have detectives from all over not only California Orange County that are continuously working
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these cases and sometimes we may not have the answers at that time sometimes we may not have the resources readly
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available but we do have a lot of men and women that are working hard and never quitting to solve these
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crimes I'm grateful that Garden Grove PD is putting such an effort into cold
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cases the transition that I saw from a little farming Community to what it is today was rewarding but I really can't
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even imagine what the coming days are going to look like with artificial intelligence or new DNA technology or
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face recognition things that uh I never dreamt of as an investigator investigative genetic
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genealogy is no longer the future when it comes to catching vicious criminals it's the here and now it's the present
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and it is mindboggling to think what forensic science will evolve into in the future the more that these types of
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cases are are revealing themselves and they're um they're being solved it is
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it's it's these suspects know that whether it was a year whether it's been
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20 years that at some point it will catch up and it is going to catch up and I look at the advancements from just the
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'90s to now I I can only imagine what's going to be in 20 years I think that if
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you are doing wrong this is definitely a testament to the advancements and their
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time will come for someone that's committed a crime and left DNA your day will come
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and it's coming soon Shannon Lloyd and Renee quas both young beautiful loving single mothers had
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their entire lives ahead of them when they were savagely brutally murdered the determination of three generations of
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detectives plus incredible forensic science at least now provides answers to loved ones left behind
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