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Dallas Texas April 27 1985 what starts as a regular day for Carrie ketchie is about to turn into a
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nightmare I had told him take anything you want just take it and leave well I didn't get off that easy he
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did rape me while holding a gun to my head the attack Sparks the hunt for a serial rapist a man who terrorizes women
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throughout Texas and beyond for 35 years many of them slept with their loaded guns under their pillows if they heard
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noises they would be afraid wherever they'd go they're looking behind their
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bag they were living in fear it changed their life forever as they knew it despite years of Investigations and
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Carrie ket's own determination the case goes cold years later investigators learn
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about a new groundbreaking forensic science he thought he was covering his tracks but as we all know there's no
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Perfect Crime I didn't look for him I didn't follow him uh they just were
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crossed paths and it was like there she is this is the story of a 35e search for a
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brutal serial rapist and one victim's courage and determination to find him I'm Nancy Grace this is bloodline
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Detectives [Music] Dallas Texas 1985 a vibrant dynamic city with a sophisticated blend of culture
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business and a very Texan identity but there is also a dark underbelly to this city in the Lone Star
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State it had per capita uh rape rate of like three times the national average so
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there was a lot of sexual assault a lot of crime and thankfully that's been reduced but it was I think a dangerous
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place especially for a young woman here Holly Hill where Carrie kety lives in a bustling neighborhood is popular
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with young professionals when when I bought the condo in 1979 it was quite the place to
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live being centrally located and especially for single people there were no Gates or anything didn't see any need
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for gates at that point it was a pretty safe area in 79 and we thought in the 80s that it was safe but um things had
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turned around serial rapists were in the area in the mid 80s there were so many serial rapists that Dallas was number
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one on a list of time magazines dangerous cities for rape and there was a lot of opportunity because there were
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a lot of younger people moving in lots of apartment complexes lots of condos there was Greg Goin The Village
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rapist he would rape in the Village Apartments which was in Northeast Dallas then there was the ski mask rapist he
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raped in the same area there was the M Street rapist who raped um in lower green
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in the M Street area I was a nurse and I was working in an observation area recovering patients
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that have had local anesthesia I was working by myself and then I did get another nurse to help me and this was
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before my uh sexual assault Carrie was sleeping in her apartment while she was sleeping an
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intruder had jimmied her sliding door open to her apartment and I heard rustling on the
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wall and the guy was trying to find my light switch and he immediately turned it on came over to my bedside and had me
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turn over and he put a leather strap around both of my wrist and um turned me back over and he started uh
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rumaging through my dresser drawers and he EMP me emptied my purse um after that I I had told him
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take anything you want just take it and leave well I didn't get off that easy he
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did rape me while holding a gun to my head I was crying so hard that um I got to the point where I was sobbing and
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that bothered him and he said um quit that or I'm going to kill you he washed himself he also tried to wash
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the sheets in which he committed the sexual assault on what he was trying to do is to wash away the evidence so there
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wouldn't be no way that they could match him to anything and then he told her to stay
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there for 15 minutes after he was gone and then that's when she came out of the
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bathroom and notified uh the police well I I didn't stay in there 15 minutes I
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waited until I could could no longer hear him or see him in my bedroom and then I just sat on the edge of the tub
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and then I proceeded to tiptoe out and look all around my condo to see if he was anywhere
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around and when I discovered he was not there any longer I called the police and
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told him I had been raped Dallas police respond quickly to Carrie kutchie's call
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you're going to check out the bedroom the bathroom anywhere where that perpetrator had been you're going to
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dust for fingerprints look for Tears fibers anything out of place at that time DNA was not part of the forensic
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investigative procedure they collected a hair that they could use as a comparison
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they collected some sheets or a beds spread dusted for prints did not find any prints so you know they had some
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things to go on but unfortunately you know it wasn't a lot but but they did what they could
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do Carrie kety describes her attacker the best she can however she never sees his face he was wearing a ski mask so I
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only saw the color of his eyes he was wearing cut off blue jean shorts he was wearing a gray sweatshirt with a zipper
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and a hood he had on tennis shoes and dark socks uh his ski mask was turquoise because he was wearing that
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mask identification was impossible it had all the homeworks of somebody who had been doing this had been doing it
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frequently and was unfortunately pretty good at it can detectives stop a brutal serial
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rapist before he strikes again that's next on bloodline Detectives [Music] 1985 Dallas Texas police hunting a
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masked rapist who has already attacked a young nurse in her own home at gunpoint
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her name Carrie crutchie immediately after the attack she's taken to the hospital for a sex assault
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exam the policewoman actually took me to the county hospital which is Parkland Hospital in Dallas
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you feel violated again and that's what I learned from them when I met the victims or I want to
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call them survivors because these ladies are [Music] survivors of course survivors of rape
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and sex assault have their right to remain anonymous but some women like Carrie ketchy choose to wave that right
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they want to encourage other victims to come forward don't be ashamed or embarrassed don't feel like they have to
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hide in the shadows being a nurse I knew what to expect and it made me think that that I
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I was hoping that there would be specimens taken from me that showed that he was my
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perpetrator Carrie kety decides to tell her neighbors about her ordeal and then later to The Wider Texas
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Community I went back that same day that had happened which was on a Saturday and
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told the ladies what happened to me so they could protect themselves cuz I would have felt bad if one of them had
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been raped because I did not say anything in August I had taken my car in to a mechanic I know before I left he
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said um you better be careful he said there's a serial rapist working your area and so with that information I went
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to the nearest newspaper stand and got a paper and there was that information and
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since that day I made a point to take the paper and keep track of different serial rapists in the area thinking that
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maybe one of those would be my perpetrator and that um that maybe this would be solved months turn to years Dallas
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Detectives continue to investigate Carrie ket's rape but they remain no closer to making an
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arrest the investigator gave me his card and he said call down to the police department anytime you want to and we'll
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let you know about the progression of your case which I did about every two weeks and nothing nothing nothing
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finally I call down and they tell me that it was an Hispanic man and I said no um my perpetrator is
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white and after that call I didn't call them back again I just thought no they're on the wrong path and I'm just
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going to just take matters in my own hands and just try to figure this out on my
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own the Hispanic man in question is Gilbert escabedo also known as the ski mask rapist I think there was an immediate
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thought that this perpetrator could be the same perpetrator that they were following
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that had been committing other crimes CU he had the same Mo they had already recovered a hair and they had to analyze
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they thought it was going to be goldbert and they they tested against them and it was not it was not him it
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was not a match escabedo was ruled out as a suspect on April 13th 1987 that was when the crime lab had definitively
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ruled him out based on the hair sample that was used as a comparison Gilbert escabedo is cleared by police the case
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goes cold technically what they did is they suspended the case pending investigation so they're not going to
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really do much proactively but if something comes along you know the case is still open if there's another suspect
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on a similar case um you know they could look at it that way but for all intents
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and purposes the investigation was shut down Carrie kety refuses to accept her case will never be solved she continues
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to track other cases like her own hoping one day she will identify her rapist but
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will her incredible efforts ever pay off that's next on bloodline Detectives
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[Music] Dallas Texas 2005 20 years since Carrie kety endures a brutal rape at gunpoint
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in her own apartment imagine the emotional toll it is taken on her and police are no closer to finding her
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attacker but Carrie kety will not give up she continues to wage her own investigation she wants this armed
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rapist brought to Justice she no longer wants to live in fear he will strike again I had kept a scrapbook since
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August of 2005 any article about serial rapist or new laws being passed or anything like
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that I kept in this scrapbook and it it was it just felt really healthy for me to have it I could
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use it as a reference and I still have it [Music] today Carrie continues to build her
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scrapbook police turn to cotus the National Database of known offenders hoping and praying for a break in the
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case the DNA Act of 1994 created the Kota system and so car's perpetrator had not committed a crime
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where he was caught and his DNA was uploaded in a cotus from the years of 1994 forward 2005 live Dallas Police launched
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their sex assault Cold Case program or CCAP the program targets unsolved rape cases from the 70s and 80s it recognizes
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that sex assault is a lifechanging event often life shattering the program understands
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survivors need to know who attacked them before they can find some kind of Peace
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in their lives and move forward Pat Welsh was the sergeant over the sexual assault division at the Dallas
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Police Department and he really you know not just in this case but in several cases revolutionized how the Dallas
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Police Department started treating these cases and coming on the heels of 10 to 15 years of prolific serial rapists many
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which hadn't been solved yet the CCAP happened because the lady from California called and asked us to
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work her case that's when I found out that our last was holding all the sexual
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assaults from the 70s and 80s and were still still could be productive as far as Gathering evidence I felt that that's
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something that the survivors all wanted to know is who was their attacker so uh I put that article in the newspaper
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asking people if they were interested to contact me got the okay from the chain of
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custody to process some of the sexual assault kits that were still being used by the ladies that had come to me so we
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did that got some matches although we had matches he couldn't prosecute cuz the stash limitations of Texas back then
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was only 5 years but it was well worth it and I thought oh good here's another
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lead for me and there was the phone number so I called and talked to Sergeant Welsh Patrick
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Welsh I just thought now is my chance to be able to find out if indeed Greg gopen
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is my perpetrator Sergeant wels did come to my house and he took the the swab of
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my cheek and uh he was able to tell me uh that after a period of time that he was not my perpetrator which
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devastated me cuz I really thought he was when Carrie thought that it was the village rapist I think there was a sense
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of relief she felt that at least the guy was caught and that he was going to be brought to justice so when they found
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out that his DNA was not a match it was um almost like ret traumatizing again like he is still out there so I think
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for her it was very devastating thinking that you have relief and the guy is never going to come back for you and
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then realizing he's still out there Carrie kety then turns to the support group program set up by
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CCAP she came to a group Carrie was very quiet Qui very Meek she just wanted to know information
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and I didn't know much of her history and what she'd been doing at that time
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for our first group meeting but that's what I remember her very quiet very sweet
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lady Carrie desperately wanted to find out who that offender was and so she was working towards it and I remember her
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bringing that notebook the famous notebook of hers with information that she kept up which turned out to be a
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good thing for some of the other ladies in our group because they also suspected some of their
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offenders that might have been in her book we would meet probably um once a month and it was for support and
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empowerment and trying to change laws you know getting rape kits tested um writing letters to the
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legislature just being in a a circle talking to one another crying laughing it helped me
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immensely and I just felt like I had a Sisterhood with them we knew what each other had been
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through I belonged to that group for about 5 years I met a lot of wonderful women we were in a support group
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together I was able to share with them they were able to share with me and some of the cases got solved some were
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already in jail and um but my case was never solved she wanted to know about her case
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Sergeant Welsh pulled the report went to see her and the process started where he
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would look for the rape kit and try to submit it to the Swift's lab to get it
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evaluated and and see if we found any evidence well she knew that her case didn't have any evidence that we could
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match up so she came to me and asked me if she brought me some evidence what could I do about about it and I said
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well if you bring me evidence I'll take a look at it and ask the lab to take a
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look at it as well so she went and got some garbage from a possible suspect that she and her friend thought was good
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for the case and she took some stuff out of the trash can and brought it to me because she had asked me previously
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could she do that and would I have it analyzed and I said if you believe that this is the guy that did it I'll have an
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analyze so after I found out that then I was a little braver so so one day after
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work I went in the daytime I went by myself I knew when the trash was going to be picked up at that place and I
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picked up some trash and uh took it to him and uh it was around Christmas time and I put it on Sergeant Welch's desk in
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a brown paper bag with a a bow on it and said this is not a gift be careful in opening
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this and uh so he took that and he sent it off for the DNA um and Sergeant Welsh has a
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wonderful sense of humor so I knew that he would enjoy that um and anyhow it came back in a matter of weeks it seems
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like and um yes there was a good sample but it did not match our perpetrator Carrie KY continues to help
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in the investigation any way she can I went public I was in the Dallas Morning News the front page and how I
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was seeking to find my perpetrator and how I was going about it I just I didn't
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want to be in the shadow like I've seen other victims I wanted to people to know
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that this is a face and there's a name with me I just really wanted women in
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this in the same um type situation to not be afraid to come forward we didn't
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deserve this and we need to put these guys behind bars 2015 at last a breakthrough what the Dallas Police
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Department did was they went and got the Buckle swabs the cheek swabs of the victims so that they could establish
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their DNA profile sent those to the lab and at the same time still had the samples from the sexual assault kits
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that could be tested for DNA and compare victim DNA profile and see if there is an unidentified male profile so there
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were four cases all between 1982 and 1985 carries was the last and this you know we'll call it the quartet of cases
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where they were able to identify an unknown male profile so then that's when law
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enforcement knew they had a serial rapist on their hands and his DNA when you put it in cotus if if he doesn't
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have any prior convictions and if he was never in cotus there's no name on that
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it's just a DNA profile and that's the big difference between cotus and how genetic genealogy works we knew
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number one that their perpetrator was not one of these other prolific serial rapist who had been suspected at the
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time this was conclusive evidence that it was not only another serial rapist but someone we had no idea who it
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was 2020 another breakthrough advancements in DNA technology bring Carrie KY just one step closer to
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identifying her rapist Carrie wanted to find out if they can further investigate her case because all
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along she was trying she was looking at any possibilities and when she heard about Mary and woods she talked to her
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and myself and the sergeant we had already been retired so she called him and the assistant district attorney
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Leighton deanton was very positive and told her that he would certainly look into it and see what he could
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do after I was interviewed on a News segment at 10:00 news one evening in March of
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2020 Carrie emailed me the very next morning and wrote a simple email that just basically said I was raped on April
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27th 1985 the Dallas Police Department has his DNA and it's been uploaded in to
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cotus with no match I'm 70 years old now I've been waiting 35 years for an answer
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please help me if you can and so as soon soon as I read that I immediately got in
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touch with her and she filled me in on the details and I knew that I had to do whatever I possibly could to help her
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she lived in a suburb next to the suburb I lived in I called her I think the next
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day and ask her if she could help me guide me with getting my case solved and she said I believe I can so by our
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friendship we wrote the proper letters to get in the assistant district attorney's office that would be um
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Leighton dantony then I get this email and and it had a letter attached to it and it was from Carrie and a woman named
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Maran woods and it just kind of spelled out her story and not just her story but
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you know story of other young women who in the early and mid 80s in Dallas uh had been the victims of some pretty
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brutal home invasion sexual assaults and so as soon as I got it I I was very interested he was very optimistic over
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the phone and he said yes he would take it on after 35 long years finally there is
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New Life in this investigation a respected genetic genealogist and a Dallas assistant district attorney join
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krie cr's fight will The elusive Dallas rapist finally be caught we find out
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next on bloodline Detectives [Music] Dallas Texas 2020 the science of investigative genetic genealogy breathes
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New Hope into the hunt for a brutal serial rapist he's the same sex offender
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who attacked Carrie ketchy 35 years before I think Carrie kept putting her hopes in the fact that some piece of
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evidence was going to turn up some new technology was going to be able to solve her case every time she hit a roadblock
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or she had a disappointment I'm sure she was devastated but she picked herself
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right up and kept going and you know told herself that she was not going to give
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up i' been doing cold cases you know traditional St Str DNA cases for quite some time but I didn't know much about
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this forensic genetic genealogy and so I just a good portion of 2019 trying to educate myself that's when I started you
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know meeting with uh agent Randy White at the FBI he was putting together the FBI's program for the Dallas office and
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he was also kind of just learning about it and you know it was a perfect match at a perfect time of Randy myself and
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Carrie sending me the letter the first thing I did on this case was request money to get lab work done
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law enforcement does not produce the kind of DNA needed for genealogy we have to use private Labs so I started working
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with the Dallas County lab here requesting that they prepare that DNA for a different kind of um process
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called a a single nucleo tide polymorphism or a snip profile and so we got that DNA from the lab here and had
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it sent down to a private lab once the DNA was processed and uploaded into Data base that works with
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law enforcement we were able to identify some family members of our subject I continue to work that case
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long into the night I was able to work on it on a laptop at home so I while was with my family neglecting them I I
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continued to build family treeses on this case and then at about midnight I decided I would uh try to get some sleep
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and I tossed and turned for about 2 hours uh pretending to sleep before I realized it was time to just get back to
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work so I woke up and continu to work on the case and um I was so close that I just couldn't put it
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down and then once I identified someone in my tree that was living in Texas I became instantly interested in that
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person thinking this could be someone that um is our guy and then I ran his criminal history and his criminal
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history included a rape that occurred in 1973 and then I felt extremely confident
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that he was going to be our suspect at that point I called the prosecutor and I called my boss and I was jumping through
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the roof excited that I had potentially found our guy so quickly of course you know we had to calm down and say well
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let's let's now let's exclude him let's prove it so who is this serial rapist
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and can he be connected directly to the 1985 Dallas rape of Carrie kety once you get over the shock of wow
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we solved this case or I say we they solved this case in you know less than 24 hours um you want to H who is it okay
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tell me everything about him what's his name David Thomas Hawkins okay generic
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enough sounding name um can you send me something about him and he sent me his driver's license photo and I remember
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getting the phone and I had stepped away from my son's game and my wife what are
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you doing over there I'm like just you know hold on hold and there's this you
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know old white dude with kind of like bushy white beard or mustache and you always think about what is your
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suspect that going to look like on cases you've worked you know months years
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um and that was it was unexpected I didn't expect him to look like that but uh but it was just such an incredible
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feeling to know that we finally had him Dallas Police waste no time at all in tracking down the suspect his name
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David Thomas Hawkins we identified him on Saturday July 25th and 2 days later on Monday um
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me and a couple other FBI agents conducted a surveillance on his residence he lived in Kean Texas which
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is about an hour and a half Southwest of Dallas we conducted that surveillance that day and did observe him and so we
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felt confident that we had the right residence and we determined that it would be important to do a syruptitious
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DNA collection by collecting DNA that he had discarded and so we conducted a 24-hour surveillance over the next five
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days we observed Hawkins drag a trash bin out to the curb he left the residence and we collected that trash
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from the trash bin at the curtilage of his property and we brought it back to FBI Dallas where we met with the Dallas
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Police Department and we conducted a search of that trash there we submitted several water bottles and beer bottles
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that had been collected in the house but ultimately we only got a hit on one item at last Dallas investigators have
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the DNA match they need to arrest David Thomas Hawkins now to confront him that's next on bloodline
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[Music] detectives Dallas Texas 2020 police about to confront David Thomas Hawkins
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the prime suspect in a series of sex assaults before they do they visit a courageous Survivor of his attacks
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Carrie kie to update her on the lat lest on August 19th of 2020 Carrie has some unexpected visitors
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at her door and it's Sergeant Welch and Pat Keaton the victim's Advocate I sat down there and I said
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okay um this has got to be either good news or bad news and they said it's good
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news um they arrested your perpetrator this morning in Kean Texas she cried and we all hugged her
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and it was just so exciting it was just like surreal oh I I I just felt really lated
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I had a sense of Peace come over me like this was all been worth it because Hawkins was a a violent
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offender who had a felony history and had a lot of guns that we were able to identify through social media a decision
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was made that it would be a SWAT hit on his location at his house um was also so
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far from the Dallas Police Department that it would been difficult for them to get the amount of officers they needed
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to conduct that and the FBI is more capable when it comes to getting outside of the city to perform that arrest so he
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was arrested by the FBI SWAT team on August 20th 20120 investigators who began to
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question David Thomas Hawkins are surprised to learn he has a medical background Hawkins had told me during
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the interview that he had first committed his sex assault while he was a dentist in Arkansas and that while he
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was in dental school he was struggling to pass his classes and that he had determined he was going to kill one of
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his college professors he did surveillance on him followed him around and ultimately
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decided he was not going to kill him and at that time he was very distraught and
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upset about where he was in his life and whether or not he was going to graduate
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dental school and here's where I think all this started I remember voicing to
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Satan uh and I hesitate to say this because I don't want him to think I'm doing it
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again give me power and apparently he did one of the side effects of that power that he was given was this
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insatiable you know inability to prevent himself from attacking women he said that it would just come over him that he
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would otherwise being just a normal nice person and that he would see a woman and
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something would Just Awaken in him that he could not control that he attributed to the
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devil and that he would then feel compelled to assault that woman I battled that all during this time that this was
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going on uh praying for God to get him out of my life and uh immediately as each attack
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occurred it was like I I had super super power I wasn't afraid of anything uh the opportunity of these ladies was
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there I didn't look for them I didn't follow them uh they just were crossed
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paths and it was like there she is David Thomas Hawkins interview is remarkable he had commits to multiple
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attacks on women and he says the devil made him do it we did Research into a bunch of old
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newspapers where we were able to find sex assaults that had occurred and then contact those police departments
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requesting records for those sex assaults unfortunately most of those police departments told us they didn't
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have records that went back that far and we were never able to positively identify any additional victims but at
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that time in those articles we were able to find that several police departments
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had gotten together and identified him as the traveling rapist and that he had conducted rapes in Amarillo Leck witch
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to Falls abene Dallas Fort Worth and shareport and during our interview he told me that that was true that he had
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committed rapes in every one of those cities I think he's responsible for many
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more than he's admitted to but when I asked that question of him how many rapes do you think you've committed he
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told me at that time that he believed it was somewhere above 30 but he couldn't
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be he was not more specific than that with a trial date looming Hawkins enters a plea deal I knew after our interview
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in 20 September of 2020 that he was going to uh plead guilty just based on the fact that we had him to DNA and he
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had given me a confession now that confession wasn't specific to any of our cases but it was broad enough that it
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would have been extremely damaging for him at trial and I knew at that point he was resigned to the fact that he was
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going to prison in our interview he had actually told me he wished he knew he would get a cut eventually but he wished
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that he had just had a few more years to enjoy you know his freedom but that he knew he was going to die in
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prison David Thomas Hawkins 75 years old when his trial begins in Dallas September 2021 he pleads guilty to sex
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assault and three counts of aggravated rape before sentencing his courageous victim Carrie kety directly addresses
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her rapist had on a medical mask because of Co so um when I got up to read my um
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impact statement I asked the judge if he would mind having Hawkins take off his mask I'd never seen his face before and
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I wanted to see his face and um so he had this well this like walrus uh mustache just very bushy
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and he really didn't make much eye contact with me when I read my statement and he showed no signs of remorse my
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last paragraph that I read was David Thomas Hawkins I wish for you that you spend
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the rest of your time in prison and that you burn in hell and I said it very loud
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and very clear what a dramatic moment in the courtroom then the judge oses sentence Hawkins was ultimately
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sentenced to four counts of aggravated sexual assault and he received four life sentences David Thomas Hawkins Behind
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Bars the rest of his life and Carrie ket's work instrumental in putting him there I think what's interesting about
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car's case is she progressed her own investigation along with law enforcement
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as the techniques and technology advanced and changed she could have let this destroy her and
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she took all the bad and all the agony that she went through and it made her stronger um it certainly directed her
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life in a direction she never anticipated but you know and I anytime anyone asks me about car I tell them she
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is the most Fearless person I've ever met I just felt like I really couldn't
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completely heal until I knew so that's why I kept on searching I kept on searching endlessly and until it till it
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paid off it is a remarkable end to an investigation ultimately the game changer is the science of investigative
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genetic genealogy forensic genetic geneology was the key to this case it was the right
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place at the right time the technology was growing I'm pretty convinced I think
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probably Carrie's convinced that her case never would have been solved it would have just been one of those ones
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that just left on the back burner you know in the dusty file someplace getting Dusty in a basement I think it was Ralph
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Waldo Emerson who said that wherever a man commits a crime God finds a witness and DNA is that witness DNA was a
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witness at the crime and DNA does not lie you know it it does not have a fuzzy memory it cannot be intimidated by
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anyone and DNA is the most reliable witness to a crime I just think people should come
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forward and get the cases solved um I I think we need these guys behind we do need these guys behind
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bars and um it just you don't even have to go public like I have the resources
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are out there and they're easier to get to Carrie ketchie a victim turned hero
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she refuses to allow the lifelong pain in her own attack to stop her from Seeking Justice car's determination over
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35 years is amazing what a champion not only for herself but other rap victims out there
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I'm Nancy Grace thanks for joining us here on bloodline Detectives [Music] [Music]
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