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Hello, welcome to My Favorite Murder. My name's Karen, and I sure love murder. How about you, girl over there?
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This week, Girl Over There is played by Georgia Hartstark. Georgia Hartstark. Georgia.
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Georgie Hartstark. And gee, I love murder too. and um of course engineer steven is here standing by with his mustache and his
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his uh stuff his equipment his general style his general style steve here morris supporting
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of the percast oh thank you yeah welcome who did i still trapped in the basement
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vince uh so we have our murderinos that we call people who listen to this podcast i don't we
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didn't make that no we didn't but that's what people call it okay and vince said that so steven
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has the percast about cats and it's been said that he should the people who listen should be
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called pervert three r's right it's really emphasized you got to do that i'm gonna start
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doing it i said you can have it thank you vince he said go you can tell him you can have it
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that's a free one from vince free one awesome um cool hi everybody it's episode 32
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what's up i'm gonna bring what's up back are you i have already threatened to do that
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was uh and that's how she got murdered she was so hacky the town killed her the city killed her
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she she got killed do you have uh housekeeping i mean i have things i just generally want to
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talk about well i'll say mine that are internet specific that are important yeah mine are important
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yours aren't you be quiet because it's my turn how much i hate tv oh did you watch the last night
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of i fucking i just i don't there's a block and i i mean to and i haven't no the answer is no
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well then you don't want his dna inside you and you'll never get to have it he was also on colbert
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we actually watched it at work because enough people at my work like him that we were all like
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let's watch he's so has he is he cute and well he is perfection it's there's something like disney
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about the scale of the size of his eyes to the rest of his face his nose looks like he got a
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nose job it's so perfectly shaped and then in general he just has the he has the charisma
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but he's very low-key like he's smart enough to know not to overplay it we're talking about
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riz Ahmed we're talking about riz Ahmed Britain's own and he's got the British accent man like the
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like the like street British accent yeah stop it but he can do any British I guess I only heard
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I only heard him speaking in a British accent when he was rapping. So I was like.
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Yeah, he was trying to he's turning it a little bit on. But OK, well, but also I saw him in the the unwilling fundamentalist.
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What's that? He stars in a movie about an fundamentalist that doesn't want to be unwilling who doesn't.
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The word isn't unwilling. No, sorry. It's part of the title. I'm his number one.
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But in that one, he had like a posh British accent. No, I want it. I want it to be dirty, please.
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Jesus keep it dirty hi Vince it's Karen she said more gross stuff about Riz Ahmed this time
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the thing I wanted to mention was a woman named Liam Moffat made us this amazing
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animated opening to our podcast theme song you can see it on the Twitter page you can see it on the Facebook page
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we have a new Facebook fan page because people told us that that's how you're supposed to do things.
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Don't be closed off all the time. Maybe open some stuff up. Yeah. So we have a new Facebook fan page.
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I will post it on there. It is, it's your, like, how do you, how did you feel watching it with your music and your
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voice? I couldn't breathe. Yeah. And, but also I, it's that weird thing of like, it's very strange when someone holds
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up something you did and goes, now here's something I did to match it. Like, it's just magical.
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I love it. Gorgeous. And it's the cutest, like the style of it is so like, there's a little skeleton in every scene.
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I know. And the way it moves, the way everything flows and moves. But it's creepy. Very creepy.
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It all perfectly done So Leanne Moffat thank you so much for doing that and thinking of us and participating in that very creative and cool way Thanks to everyone who like there so many cute drawings of us even though we just berated them last week
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They like it. I know, I keep posting them on Instagram. We have an Instagram, My Favorite Murder, and I does them constantly.
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I, like, can't stop posting all day, and I feel like I'm getting annoying because there's just so much cool shit to post.
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Well, it's fun to be able to go, like, well, here's hair, because the people like it when you notice their shit.
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But it's, you know, that's the whole idea. Can I tell you my favorite one from our last episode is, you know, the part where I go,
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Doe, a dead body, a female dead body. Someone took a photo of my face and put it over the face in...
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Sound of Music. Sound of Music, where she's singing on the hilltop to all the children.
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And it's just my little face, like a perfect photo of me with my mouth open, like looking like I'm singing.
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And it says Doe. Stephen's showing it to Karen right now. i will put that on the facebook page too really who did it jessica p thank you jessica p well
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done jessica p that is hilarious because also the george's face her mouth is open it looks like
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she's going hey but it but she's holding a guitar that's hilarious so much good shit good you know
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sadly somebody put my face inside of selena's face uh no no no it's not not truly sadly oh this
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a comedy podcast but it was a picture of me before i stopped drinking you can find such a range of
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hideous pictures of me online it's hilarious i hate it uh it's not cool at all when your weight
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fluctuates it's you just and you get photographed for things a lot yeah and you just you just kind
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of have to separate and you just i like my thing is just like whatever right i know what i look like
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mine's not oh my god this one where they put my face and just i'm pretty sure it was selena's
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picture it was like big 80s hair with the pink background did you see that steven it was i was
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like but is that charles bronson wearing a wig like it looked horrifying but of course i'm not
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complaining because of course all the people who saw it were like oh my god this is so cute where
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you're just like what anyway i had to complain and also just we looked it up this was in oh wait
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this if it if it was from the minisode then you might not know what we're talking about but
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last week's minisode corner what's that we have to say correction corner correction corner meow
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meow um georgia talked about a lady who had a disease and many doctors frighteningly enough
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listen to this podcast yeah because those are the people or medical students i'm not sure people who
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know how it's actually pronounced well sorry not sorry i'm not a doctor or a medical student never
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say sorry not sorry just don't be sorry oh okay yeah i thought you were berating me for trying to
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bring that back when you're trying to bring what was it oh good point no throw that right in my
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face i accept that you're 100 right but i hate sorry not sorry because you don't have to be
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sorry at all yeah is that i i saw that crop up in like girls talking where it's like look sorry
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that's not sorry where it's like no no what you start out as look motherfucker and then you say
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your actual opinion. Sorry, I'm yelling. Don't apologize. I'm so tired. Oh, you're right.
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I'm so tired. Oh, here's how you pronounce it. It's a syndrome. Glyne Barre Syndrome.
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Glyne Barre Syndrome. Glyne Barre Syndrome. Well, now I'm having a fucking seizure.
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Glyne Barre Syndrome. Glyne Barre Syndrome. Glyne Barre Syndrome. Wow, that's a book.
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What the fuck? I got it. There's like, that's a sound clip from some guys on the radio
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or something in England who also didn't know how to say Guillain-Barre syndrome. Guillain-Barre, well. So there. Well, consider me wrong again.
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Consider me always wrong. Correction corner, correction corner. That's it for me. Let's see, what do I want to say? I don't know. People are getting their
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shirts now and like, okay, this is so, I'm so mad that I don't have it ready to plug this week,
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but it will be by next week. We had, I'm going to just tease it. We had a good friend
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help us create a new design for shirts. You guys, all your favorite quotes. Yeah.
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And they're fucking tits. You're going to love them. They're very cool looking. They're very wearable.
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Yeah. And there's some of the quotes that you love. And so we have the official t-shirts coming out.
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The official My Favorite Murder podcast. You're in a Cult Call Your Dad t-shirt.
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Don't tell. Don't tell. Oh, well, that's it. Okay, sorry. That's a tease. That was more than a tease.
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That was one of them. That's just one of several. One of several. Get ready. And so shirts are going to be like happening.
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Maybe totes are going to be happening. Fucking, maybe let's do some, I don't know, let's do some mugs.
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Why not do mugs? People want to drink coffee out of murder cups? Our friend is a very talented designer, Kat.
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So it's going to be an appealing looking thing that also is the thing you like. Right.
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So those are coming. Sorry to tease the shit out of it, but that is that. What else?
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How are you? What do you want to say? Anything? I wish you guys could see Georgia right now.
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Her legs are so far up in the air. She is the most casual person I've ever seen in my life.
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This is the loungiest. You're fucking lounging in your home. Lounging so hard right now.
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As is your American right. Steven, can you take a photo of me lounging hard right now?
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I'll put it on the vent. I'm also sweating. That's cool. Sweat lounging. I got a Mimi cat on the...
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Cool. I took one too. The photo just happened. check it on the, let's plug our places.
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Instagram.com slash MyFavoriteMarder. Oh, that's like a picture. Finally, a picture of myself I'm not mad about.
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Look at those cheekbones, Karen. I wasn't even really sucking them in. My part's a bit off.
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You look so hilarious. That's my entire butt. Also that going to end up on WikiFeet I promise you Can I have a WikiFeet page I mean look at my feet They pretty fucking cute Let be honest You deserve it Thank you I going to own it You know why Because I don have a Wikipedia page
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So I'm okay with WikiFeet. So you're going to be fine. Here we go. You got to break in somehow.
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Do you know what else pisses me off? What? I'm not going to tell you. Never mind.
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I am pissed off that my high school, they have like a list of like alumni who have done
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things not on there. Where's the list on Wikipedia? Oh, please, will someone who's good at computers go on to Wikipedia and edit that page?
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What's the high school name? Woodbridge High School. In? Irvine, California. Woodbridge High School, Irvine, California.
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Also, let everyone know I hated them all. I hate them all. No, don't put that part in.
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Now, this is your high school WikiFeet page. Okay, the fan page. Okay, this is hilarious.
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So, I tried to start the fan page. We can't use the word murder in the title because Facebook is like, we recognize a word that you can't say because you're a grown adult.
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You know what I mean? Fine. So it's MFM Podcast is the name of the Facebook fan page.
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Cool. So you kind of have to be an insider to know that it's just the initials. It's like winky wink.
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And then I think that means also that maybe your family and friends won't know that you're part of a murder group.
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I think that's good. It'll just say MFM. Yeah, I think that's what people are worried about.
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Until they see the logo. Again, grown adults. Yeah. I mean, that's the other thing, too.
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Of all the people we know that say, I'm not weird, I'm not alone, you know, all that excitement.
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Well, now it's turning into, because then the second wave seemed to be people at work keep catching me listening to this and giving me dirty looks or seeing the logo and giving me a weird look.
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Yeah. But we just got a tweet from somebody who sent a picture that said, was it on the Facebook page or Twitter?
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I can't remember. Where they hang up a sign on the door that says, murder time, do not come in.
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And then listen to the podcast at work altogether. Oh, like the whole crew does?
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Yeah. Well, I mean, she didn't. She was very vague about all of it. We're shouting her out.
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I should find the name. But if you guys hear this, will you please send us at least slightly more information so we can give you a legit shout out?
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Because it made me laugh so hard when I saw that. Or send us a photo of all of you listening.
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Secretly listening. Also, I love that I've been noticing in the Facebook page, I'll look at some comments sometimes late at night.
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And it'll be like, comment, comment, comment. And then someone will comment to someone who already commented and be like, Alex, you're in this group.
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You're in a murder arena. Like, oh, my God, Melissa, I can't believe it. We're like, we're totally good.
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Like it's people keep recognizing their friends in there. And it's like hilarious.
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I love it. Well, the same thing happened to me with my sister's best friend, Adrienne, who I talked
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about, I think on the very first episode. She had a hometown. Yeah, she was she loved Richard Ramirez.
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So when I said, who should I talk about? It came out of her mouth so fast that that's when I discovered she was a murderer before
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the podcast had even started. And it was shocking because I've known her since she was 12 years old and I was 10 years
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old. So and never knew that that was an interest of hers. so she recently started listening she went backwards through it and has been texting me
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constantly of like dude i love this podcast so much and adrian and my sister were two of the
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most evil teenage girls anyone could have had the nightmare to grow up with they were sullen
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and sulky and i the only way they would let me hang out with them when she spent the night on
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the weekend she would come and stay the whole weekend with us but they would lock the door and
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leave me out of the room. And what I had to do to get in the room with Laura and Adrian was make up a
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lip sync dance routine to a Pat Benatar song. Well, we're not moving forward right now on this podcast until you fucking do that.
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Let's relive your nightmares. We just basically play a Pat Benatar song, but yeah,
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that's all it would be. And then you'd be like, right now she's lifting her legs straight above her head.
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Oh my God. That's so big sisters, man. Well, and also just, if you're younger and you hate your sister,
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just know that's going to change around when you're like 22 and then you're going to be besties
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for the rest of your life. Because you're going to become the cool one. Exactly. My sister knows
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what's up. Well, and also I have my sister and Adrian to thank for like all of my training
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because that's pretty much the most professional training I got. Oh, yeah. On stage. It was pretty exciting. I'm scared I think my dad
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might start listening to this. I thought he was already. I don't think so because he was like, I was hanging out with him over the
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weekend and he was like, tell me about your thing. Like they don't understand that it's a thing. And
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I was like, oh, it's his thing. And I'm like, well, he doesn't know how to download a podcast.
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And then he would like, looked at his phone and he like showed me the podcast and he was like this.
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And I was like, uh-huh. Yeah, no, it's okay. He's cool. He doesn't care about the F word,
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does he? Oh my God. No, my God. You can't have me as a child and care about the F word,
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care about a lot of things. Honestly, I think he's happy that I'm alive, survived my own.
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I am too. I mean, that I'm alive or that you're alive. That you're alive. Me too.
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It was supposed to be a compliment. Oh, thank you. All right, you guys, we're going to get into our favorite murders.
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Hi. Hi, friends. All right. My favorite murder this week is Selena Quintinilla Perez.
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No. And the reason I'm doing it is that it is audio engineer Stevie Ray Morris of the podcast's favorite murder.
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attributes i yeah no i you've been sending me shit yeah i was like sending me texts and i was
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like oh my god i'm watching and then aaron brockovich did like a true crime it's crazy
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that i watched i watched it well i grew up listening to selena because i'm half my yeah
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i'm half mexican and so that music was always playing and i remember like even listening to
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music just feeling really sad for you were you little when she died so you didn't know yet i i
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mean i knew it affected because i would still go over to my family's houses and stuff and like
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She was huge. She was like Madonna times 20. Well, I'll tell you all about it. Oh, oh.
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Did I say even Quintanilla? Quintanilla. Oh, I don't. I mean, I'm not Mexican, but I don't know how to speak Spanish.
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Okay, I wrote it down like I was very... She didn't know how to speak Spanish either.
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I know. I know. Could you fucking... Both of you, shut up. Oops. Oh, Karen, your doorbell phone is ringing.
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um selena quintonia perez was born on april 16 1971 in lake jackson texas and was called
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the mexican-american madonna oh i must have known that i've watched a movie with j-lo i haven't seen
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it wonderful gosh she's beautiful they were both beautiful and she was poised to become a crossover
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success when her death turned her into a legend um selena's father discovered selena's quote
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perfect timing and pitch and helped his kids form a band. And she was like nine years old when they
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started performing. Wow. The band, once her parents lost their family restaurant, the band became the
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family's main source of income. And they were in poverty. And this career, Selena's career,
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just took them out of poverty. Because they were evicted from their home during the Texas oil
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bust of 1982. And they moved to Corpus Christi, Texas, which sounds very hot, doesn't it?
00:21:36
Yeah, I think it's super southern in Texas, like down in the Gulf, maybe. Right.
00:21:42
That's a total guess. I know. I was like, right. Do I want to? Well, my cousin Cheryl lived in Corpus Christi when I was like in junior high.
00:21:50
But why do I ever say anything? Is that a big military town? I think it is. Yes.
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In fact, it has 25 that I have no fucking clue. Let's just talk about Corpus Christi for the rest of this.
00:22:00
So then the family band began recording music professionally. And in 1984, when Selena was, I think, 13, the band released its first LP, Selena Los Dinos.
00:22:12
Fuck, I hope you don't get it. That's Selena and Fred Flintstone's dog. Dinosaur.
00:22:20
Hate mail can be sent to Karen Kilgareff. I'm just translating. Karen Kilgareff's apartment or house, the address is.
00:22:28
So, yes, Stephen, you are correct. Selena was a third generation Texan of Mexican descent.
00:22:34
So she didn't grow up speaking Spanish. So she didn't know any. But she learned all her songs phonetically.
00:22:40
And when her popularity grew, she had to learn it. And she did very quickly. Just like Roxette.
00:22:45
Like what? The band Roxette. What were they, German? Yeah, or Swedish or something.
00:22:50
Oh, they had to learn English? Well, no, they just sang phonetically. They didn't know what they were saying.
00:22:54
That's funny. Must have been love, but it's all the night. that she had no clue what that song was.
00:23:01
How? But it's so powerful. Mm-hmm. But it sounds so powerful. The ignorance makes it powerful.
00:23:06
That's what it is. Like, because that's what love does to you. Makes you a stupid idiot.
00:23:10
That's right. Okay. Grew in popularity. In the year 1987, she won the Tanejo... Oh, God.
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Tejano? Tejano Music Award. I, like, I was watching videos to get this correctly,
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and I'm just screwing it all up. Tejano Music Award for Female Vocalist of the Year.
00:23:31
And then she landed her first major record deal with Capital Latin in 1989. So she performed several times at the Houston Astrodome to sold out crowds of more than 60,000 people.
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And after her death time described her as the embodiment of young, smart, hip Mexican-American youth from a tight-knit family and a down-to-earth personality.
00:23:56
a Madonna without the controversy. Essentially, It was a huge Mexican-American star in her community and was poised to become a mainstream
00:24:04
success. And that community was obsessed with her and proud of her and felt like she was one of their
00:24:12
own. Yeah. And she was a big fucking deal. Yeah. And she seemed like a very sweet person.
00:24:18
Everyone in her band was her family except the guitarist they hired who she ended up
00:24:22
marrying. They seemed like good people. It's like a Jackson 5 situation. Totally.
00:24:28
Like super talented young kid. Yeah, but not creepy. And her dad was the manager.
00:24:33
So they were very tight. More like a Partridge family. There we go. But actually.
00:24:38
Or like a Manson family. Fuck. Cut that out. Don't cut that out. I'm not sorry. All right.
00:24:48
Where am I? Cut to mid-1991. Yolanda Saldivar. She was. So you see all these photos of her and videos of her.
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When she got arrested, she was 35 years old. What? That's quote unquote my age. She's 35.
00:25:05
She looks like a fucking grandma. Yeah. Okay, so 91, Yolanda Saldivar was around 30, and she was an in-home nurse for patients with terminal cancer and just a fan of Tejano music.
00:25:19
Just a fucking random woman. She had a history of stealing money from her employers as well as trying to become intertwined with the lives of other performers.
00:25:28
And she attended one of Selena's concerts and became a fucking psychotic fan. With the intent of starting Selena's fan club, she started obsessively calling Selena's father, leaving almost 15 messages until he gave her permission in June of 1991 to be the president of the fan club.
00:25:47
Which sounds like, okay, you know what? Take this. Run with it. Do your thing, right?
00:25:51
Right, because you're harassing us. Yeah. I mean, it's the thing that they didn't know back then that people know nowadays, which is…
00:26:00
Just don't engage. Right. Yeah. 15 calls to anybody at any time is too many. Yeah.
00:26:05
I don't care if you have a flat tire and you're calling AAA. But it's almost like, well, she's being consistent and she wants to run this thing and make us more money.
00:26:12
And it's a thing that we haven't started and maybe it'll help her with her. Like, this is what I'm thinking was there.
00:26:17
You know what I mean? I'm just saying that's three calls. Totally. In a day? Totally.
00:26:21
Totally. Also, like, you don't need to have contact with her after that. Okay. So as president of the fam club, she was responsible for membership benefits, collecting money and promoting Selena.
00:26:33
All that kind of thing. And she actually didn't meet Selena until December 91, but they became close friends and Yolanda became a trusted, trusted by her whole family.
00:26:45
In 94, she became Selena's assistant and quit her job as a nurse. Oh, I didn't know that.
00:26:50
Yeah. I did not know that. I thought she was just the fan club. No. She became her assistant.
00:26:55
She quit her job as a nurse, even though she was making more money as a nurse than she was doing this.
00:26:59
She was just so obsessed and had posters all over her house. And people come over.
00:27:03
She would just make them watch Selena videos, talked about nothing else, and was just kind of crazy about Selena.
00:27:12
Wow. Yeah. I was kind of that way about kids in the hall for a little while. But it was a dark period of my life.
00:27:18
Yeah, I was just, I had flunked out of college and I was just weirdly obsessed. It was when they were running them on Comedy Central and I just, it was the only thing that
00:27:25
made me happy. That laugh was the creepiest. That was, I've never heard that laugh before.
00:27:31
I just realized, I mean, every, we all have the potential. Everybody likes a thing.
00:27:34
Sure. And wants them, like has this feeling of like ownership and like, yeah. Like crazy.
00:27:39
And like, I, no one understands it the way I understand it. It's almost made for me kind of a thing.
00:27:44
Yes. But have you met them and told them that? See, my thing is that, and maybe it's just from working in TV, I really don't like celebrities.
00:27:53
Like, there's nothing more disappointing, and I think most people know it these days from reality TV and stuff.
00:27:58
Celebrities are very disappointing in real life. Except for us. I'm just kidding.
00:28:02
I'm not calling them. Yeah, no, they're just, I mean, the most they'll be is slightly pleasant.
00:28:09
But for the most part, you will have regretted trying to be like, hey, can I get a picture?
00:28:15
I'm a big fan or whatever. I love Jewin and it's some obscure thing. They don't care.
00:28:20
They don't care. It's super weird. It's like, you know, it ruins it almost. So good luck, everybody.
00:28:27
Good luck in life with your fucking cute little fantasies. Whoa. All right. Well, then, so in 94, Selena starts opening fashion boutiques.
00:28:39
She has two of them opening up. It's called Selena Etc. I didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't either because she has this crazy style.
00:28:47
It's very 90s and very like on point, like, you know, almost Madonna-y, but a little more hip.
00:28:54
Right. It's cute. It's those cute. Well, from what I remember in the movie, there's like a lot of ruffles.
00:28:58
Yeah. And a lot of like, you know, shimmery, velvety pants and stuff like that. Hoop earrings and red lipstick.
00:29:06
And yeah, it's totally pretty fucking sweet. um so so she she's opening these clothing these fashion stores and asks saldivar to become the
00:29:15
manager of the boutiques so saldivar because of doing this is authorized to write and cash checks
00:29:22
had access to the bank accounts associated with the fan club and the boutiques and selena gave
00:29:27
her an american express card for the purpose of conducting company business so she put her stalker
00:29:33
She made her stalker the CEO of the company. Doesn't know that she's the stalker, though.
00:29:38
Oh, right. Oh, yeah. Selena has no idea that she's the stalker. She just thinks she's a good friend of hers.
00:29:44
That's like willing to do all this hard work. Yeah, that's like, you know, Selena's in this bubble of becoming famous and touring and all these things.
00:29:54
And this person is becoming a trusted confidant and is a huge fan And clearly is an intelligent woman if she a nurse Yeah And all that other Yeah Totally Okay
00:30:05
Yeah. And everyone said she was very manipulative and good at, you know, being manipulative.
00:30:11
Yeah. Fifteen calls. That's all I have to say. Yeah. Fifteen calls. It worked somehow.
00:30:15
So within a year, Saldivar had mismanaged the boutiques and they were failing. and then upon investigation the family finds out that Saldivar had embezzled more than I saw 60,000
00:30:28
but I also saw a hundred thousand dollars and forged checks from both the fan club and the
00:30:32
boutiques but Selena refused to believe it she was like no way that's my friend like even her
00:30:38
father who was a manager and her husband and brother were like dude they were like dude
00:30:43
probably not like that um but eventually Selena kind of sees some shit going on and believes
00:30:51
it and the family fires her, tells her not to come near Selena. But Selena still wanted to become friends, stay friends.
00:30:57
She was like, you don't work for me anymore, but let's stay friends. So at this time, Saldovar purchases a snub-nosed .38 caliber revolver.
00:31:07
And here's what I think is the fucked up thing, is .38 caliber hollow point bullets.
00:31:12
Then the bullets were designed to cause more extensive injuries than normal bullets.
00:31:16
Oh, no. Which like throws out, later we'll talk about it. So on March 31st in 1995, she convinces Selena to meet her alone in a Days Inn motel room, promising to return financial documents that she had stolen and telling Selena that she had to come alone and that Yolanda had been raped and needed someone to talk to.
00:31:39
Oh, no. And she has to make up this lie because three other times in the past couple weeks, Yolanda had tried to get her alone and it had been foiled every time and her husband had come or they had met in a parking lot or something like that.
00:31:53
So Yolanda was trying to get her alone. Yeah. So in the hotel room, they kind of fight over the documents.
00:32:04
and as they're doing that, the gun comes out and Selena turns to run and out the door
00:32:11
and Saldivar shoots her in the back as she's running out, severing an artery leading from her heart
00:32:18
and it came out the front of her chest on the other side. So it's kind of like a shoulder shot.
00:32:23
And Selena's running towards the motel lobby as she's bleeding and Saldivar comes, there was a witness said
00:32:31
that she chased after her, pointing the gun at her and calling her a bitch. Selena ran 130 yards
00:32:39
to the motel's lobby and collapsed on the floor. And meanwhile, Yolanda's now trying
00:32:44
to escape in her car. And it was theorized that she's heading to the recording studio
00:32:50
where the rest of Selena's family is to kill them too. That's what they thought.
00:32:54
But a police officer who was around the corner responded, stopped her. And instead of getting out
00:33:01
of the car, she pulls the car into a parking space and gets kind of blocked in in this parking spot.
00:33:08
So she's in her car in a parking spot with a gun, won't come out. In the meantime, the motel staff is trying to help Selena.
00:33:18
An ambulance comes in less than two minutes, but Selena's pronounced dead at 105 from loss
00:33:24
of blood and cardiac arrest. Her last words were, this fucking makes me want to cry.
00:33:30
Her last words, Yolanda Saldivar, room 158. Those were her last words, like not tell my family I love them.
00:33:39
She was just trying to make sure they knew who did it. Yeah, which makes me so sad.
00:33:43
It's just like the last words out of your mouth are about your killer's name. Well, yeah.
00:33:48
I mean, I know, like, I know, like, you should get them out. But then I just wish it could then be like something sweeter.
00:33:54
She was only 23 years old. Oh, no. I know, baby. well an autopsy is performed and this is what i thought when i heard about her running after
00:34:03
getting shot she died of heart failure wait no we realize selena's heart fueled by adrenaline
00:34:10
and i think from running pumped all the blood out of her circulatory system so i feel like if she
00:34:16
hadn't run she either might have gotten shot again by yolanda but she but or the blood might not have
00:34:24
It's those hollow point bullets. Yeah. I mean, I don't think you can get shot and it comes out the other side and you can survive that, right?
00:34:29
No, because isn't that part of it is like they explode inside you. And so when they come out, they just, instead of a bullet hole size coming out, it like rips out.
00:34:40
I mean, those things are evil. Yeah. Well, that's the thing is so event. So Saldivar is trying to say, I was trying to say that it was an accident that she was going to kill herself.
00:34:48
But it's like, well, why did you buy those bullets then? Yeah. Like you clearly had a motive.
00:34:54
And so meanwhile, there's a nine hour standoff with Yolanda in which she is in her car with the gun to her head, hysterically on the phone with the hostage or with the negotiator trying to say that she didn't mean to kill her.
00:35:08
She was an accident. She was trying to kill herself and all these other excuses.
00:35:13
But ultimately, let's see. She gave herself in and she got arrested. She's tried for first degree murder and claimed that the gun, quote, accidentally went off and all these other excuses.
00:35:26
But ultimately, it didn't work. And the jurors deliberated for less than three hours.
00:35:31
And on October 23rd, 1995, they found Saldivar guilty. She's sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole in 30 years, which is going to be March 2025.
00:35:44
But everyone's like, she is so incredibly hated in Texas. She will be murdered. And she has to be in solitary confinement because of that.
00:35:54
Because the rest of the Everybody wants to kill her in jail Yeah Everyone in jail who was huge Selena fans her whole life wants to fucking murder her Yeah that I mean yeah Yeah So she spends every day 23 hours a day alone in a nine by six foot cell
00:36:11
Let's see. So the case has been described as the most important trial for the Latino population,
00:36:17
and it was compared to the OJ Simpson murder trial. It was one of the most publicly followed trials in the history of Texas.
00:36:24
Wow. Her posthumous 1995 crossover album, Dreaming of You, debuted at number one on the Billboard charts and became triple platinum.
00:36:33
That just gave me chills. I know. She was the first Hispanic artist to have a predominantly Spanish language album debut and peak at number one.
00:36:41
That's so fucking cool. I know. I mean, terribly sad, but also because I remember that being in the movie where it's like it's a tragedy anyway.
00:36:51
Yeah. But this was someone who was poised on the verge of crossing over at a time before that was like before J-Lo, before any of those things were happening.
00:37:02
Well, we remember like in the late, you and I and people are, I don't remember in the late 90s, like this huge, this huge Latin pop explosion.
00:37:12
And that was like the first time it became mainstream. So Selena's doing this in the early 90s.
00:37:17
Yeah. She's for Ricky Martin. Right. Before like any of that where it was kind of like the sexy, you know, Shakira, any of that stuff.
00:37:25
That wasn't on American pop radio yet. Like that was not on there at all. So she was kind of a trailblazer and seemed like a good person and this fucking psycho bitch fan.
00:37:43
Like I didn't know. I always pictured it differently. And it's just like so fucking tragic.
00:37:49
Well, it's also fascinating that thing of like when you can, it's like when you were saying, you know, she's just this random person.
00:37:56
But you do trace those things of like a person who embezzles, a person who like those kind of smaller crimes.
00:38:04
That's how every story goes like this, where it's like they always have a background where they're trying to get anything they want at any price.
00:38:13
And they have like gray area morals, too. Yeah. Like, I don't, like, yeah, someone, if I knew a friend embezzled money, I would not trust that person.
00:38:24
No, you're not allowed to steal money from other people. No. It's not your money.
00:38:27
No. No, you don't get to have, you have to abide by certain rules in life and not screw other people over.
00:38:33
And you don't want to be that person. Like, I remember there was a cafe I was working at when I was a teen.
00:38:40
And I had, in my mind, I decided that I could take a $20 bill when I was closing at night so I could buy beer.
00:38:47
because they only paid me minimum wage. I had this whole rationalization. And I did it two times, was racked with guilt about it.
00:38:56
And then the manager told me, did I tell you this already? The manager, who was also my friend, like someone I hung out with,
00:39:02
he goes, something's going on, we're always short. I think it might be the janitor.
00:39:07
And then I was like, oh my, because that's what happens. You steal, somebody else could go down for it.
00:39:12
Or like, I mean, the idea that he even would suspect this person who has nothing to do with it.
00:39:17
Then I thought maybe he told me that because he knew it was me. Because it was always me.
00:39:21
He did. Or it was me the two times and that was just a manipulation, which God bless you, genius move.
00:39:26
Yeah. But also like, and then like the next week I was talking to my dad on the phone
00:39:31
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00:39:35
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00:39:40
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00:42:05
Keep your hands out of the kitty. That's super weird that I talked about that picture.
00:42:09
It is so weird. Sorry about that. No, I don't care. It's super, like we've never talked about her before.
00:42:14
No, not at all. That is super weird. Did I talk about your murder yet? What's interesting it?
00:42:22
No. All right, Karen. But you've lived near it. I'm sure you've heard about it. Okay.
00:42:31
Because it's the Zanku Chicken murders. And there's one on my way from work driving here.
00:42:41
There's one here. I drove by one. Let's tell everyone. Let's give everyone directions from Zanku Chicken to my apartment.
00:42:47
That's why it got real vague. Yeah. But this. So my mouth is watering. But Zanku chicken is so good.
00:42:55
Zanku chicken is legendary in Los Angeles. If you've ever visited here, if you have friends that live here and you're not wealthy, you've probably eaten here.
00:43:05
Because Zanku chicken is the best food that you can get for a decent price. And everybody knows it and everybody talks about it.
00:43:14
It's up there with Roscoe's chicken and waffles in that way of like, if you're here, you have to go try this.
00:43:21
Pink's hot dog. that kind of thing? Pink's is shit. It's so shit. But it's fun to stand in line drunk.
00:43:28
So go there. Not going to lie. I fucking chomped some chili dogs in my day. But I've,
00:43:32
for 20 years, I've driven by Pink's and watched people standing in line at three in the morning
00:43:36
to get those hot dogs. So the first time I went there, I was like, this is going to be crazy.
00:43:40
And it was just hot dogs. It's just hot dogs. But yeah, they're gross in a good way.
00:43:45
Yeah. It's like greasy, drunken food. Totally. Totally. Okay. So, um, there, I got most of my information from this awesome article from Los Angeles magazine that was written by a guy named Mark Arax.
00:43:58
And it's from April 1st, 2008. There's way more information than I could even entertain.
00:44:04
So if this interests you at all, look at that. You can Google it and it'll come up right away.
00:44:08
And I remember reading this probably five years ago because when this murder happened, everybody knew about it all of a sudden.
00:44:17
And everybody was crazy freaked out about it. It'd be like your local mom and pop cafe, like some terrible thing happening there.
00:44:23
But the story behind it is kind of fascinating because it's like, so in Los Angeles, there's a city that's right behind the hill that says Hollywood on it.
00:44:34
Right behind that city is both Burbank and Glendale. I mean, right behind that mountain is Burbank and Glendale.
00:44:41
And Glendale has the single largest population of Armenian people that isn't Armenia in the world.
00:44:49
Wow. It's huge. And Armenians came there after there was the Turkish genocide, which we see parades about and flags about.
00:45:02
And it's weird because I never heard of anybody being Armenian until I moved to L.A.
00:45:07
And now I feel like I know a ton of stuff about the Armenian culture simply because, like, I live in Burbank.
00:45:12
I live close to Glendale. So anyway, this restaurant, Zankou Chicken, was started originally in Beirut, Lebanon, by a man named Vart.
00:45:24
And the pronunciation on this is going to, if you're Armenian or if you're just not a valley girl, it's going to offend you.
00:45:33
So Vardkas Iskandarian and his family started the first Zanku chicken in Beirut in 1962.
00:45:41
Oh, wow. And then they brought it over here in 1983. And the chain actually was opened by Mardiros, who is the son.
00:45:54
And his parents were not interested in having a restaurant in America. They wanted to do dry cleaning, maybe go into the suit business.
00:46:02
They looked into all these other businesses that were more kind of reliable than a restaurant.
00:46:08
But Mardyros believed that this – he looked around and he saw how few Middle Eastern restaurants there were with such huge populations of people that would appreciate the food.
00:46:22
There was almost no food to feed them that was like from their home. Totally. So they opened their first restaurant at the corner of Sunset and Normandy in East LA.
00:46:34
Hello. Hey. And the LA Times said it's the best roast chicken in town at any price, which is kind of really saying something for the old shishi restaurants they have here.
00:46:46
Absolutely. The Zagat Guide would say that Zanku was one of America's best meal deals.
00:46:52
Oh, my goodness. America, not just LA, which is cool. Jonathan Gold, who's a very famous food writer, he adores Zanku chicken, reviewed it and said the chicken was superb and nothing in heaven or on earth compares with the garlic paste.
00:47:08
Oh, my God, that garlic paste. The garlic paste is what everybody talks about. And it was invented by Marduros' grandmother.
00:47:16
Shut up. And his mother made it all by hand. So it was a secret recipe. people still don't know what's in it. It's this white paste that you get with your chicken and
00:47:28
your rice and your hummus and your pita. It's a little tub. It's like on the side.
00:47:32
And it is tangy and pungent and garlicky, but there's something else going on. It's kind of
00:47:38
like butter. You can't figure out. All you want to do is eat it and put everything that you eat
00:47:44
into it. And then for the next day, you're belching garlic. Yes. You're filled with garlic.
00:47:49
you reek of it's quite an experience. So that was kind of their secret weapon. Aside from the fact
00:47:57
that they figured out that other rotisserie chicken is they realized you have to move the chicken itself and you have to play with the temperatures.
00:48:05
You can't just keep it on one temperature all the time. So they basically kind of went in there and
00:48:10
tried to figure out how to give people who wanted to eat authentic Middle Eastern food the best
00:48:16
version of that food and not just go like here. Yeah, here's whatever. Which is amazing. Apparently
00:48:22
one time on Curb Your Enthusiasm, Larry David referred to it as chicken so good it could end
00:48:27
the rift in the middle east so like everybody in la knows about it was also in a beck song
00:48:32
that's right that's right um there was a there's a list on wikipedia of all really all the popular
00:48:39
culture things there was a somebody on buffy the vampire slayer also like to eat there so
00:48:45
they started as this hole in the wall chicken place and after i would think like over two years
00:48:53
they were making $2 million a year. Holy shit. And half of that was pure profit.
00:48:57
Oh my God. So they were doing obviously great. So there were rumors. Oh, so in this article, this is one of my favorite things.
00:49:07
In this article, this guy, Mark, the writer, starts out by talking about the Armenian culture and everything.
00:49:16
And he says there's a saying that little old Armenian ladies say in Armenian, which is let's sit crooked and talk straight,
00:49:23
which totally made me think of us. Oh my God. Isn't that the best? Let's sit crooked and talk straight.
00:49:29
That's basically let's gossip. That is us to a T and I'm fucking in love with it.
00:49:36
It's the best. So of course in the Armenian, I keep saying culture, but what I mean is community.
00:49:44
This family rose to prominence obviously because they all of a sudden started making this tons of money and their food was crazy popular.
00:49:54
But they also were huge philanthropists and gave so much back. So they were kind of famous within that community because they were a huge part of it.
00:50:04
So there was gossip. It was never confirmed that Pepsi was offering the company $30 million for the chain and the trademark.
00:50:12
Holy shit. And this was when it was kind of like peaking in its popularity. um and at that same time even though uh maduros's uh parents did not want to expand they just wanted
00:50:25
to keep that one the first shop so cute um he was like we he kept fighting to expand he's like we
00:50:31
have to do it we have to do it so finally they agreed to split and what they agreed to do was
00:50:36
um mart i think it's mardiros uh sorry if i'm i know i'm pronouncing his name wrong but
00:50:42
they agreed that that he would take the concept and he would build the chain and any stores that
00:50:49
he opened um doing that whether they failed or succeeded would be on him okay um because that's
00:50:55
basically what the family was afraid don't don't let's not lose all our money we got a good thing
00:51:00
let's just keep this good thing going and in return he would sign over his stake of the original in
00:51:05
hollywood to his parents and his two sisters but they weren't splitting it wasn't they weren't they
00:51:11
They were still completely together as a family. The garlic paste was still made by his mother at all the Zancous, which I just can't get over as this woman who was probably at the time in her, I would say probably late 60s, early 70s.
00:51:29
And they say in this article, they talk about how this mother, I think her name is Margaret, spelled with R-I-T.
00:51:38
she worked she got up at 7 30 every morning and went into work and worked till seven o'clock at
00:51:44
night and when she was done cooking for the restaurant she would start to cook for the
00:51:48
people that worked at the restaurant oh my goodness like cook people their homemade you know food from
00:51:52
home that they liked take a break honey no she couldn't do it she was like obsessive which i
00:51:57
love oops sorry that's uh that reminds me of my grandma like my grandmother's index fingers were
00:52:02
both bent at almost like right angles because of how much she cleaned. She came over here from
00:52:08
Ireland when she was 17 and she was a maid for most of her life until she met my grandfather.
00:52:14
So it's like those old country people are just like, we're here to earn it. We're here to fucking
00:52:19
get our shit. You're able to do it. Yeah, that's right. And also if you start a business,
00:52:25
you got to put, give it your all. So you make it into something and they really did. They were this
00:52:30
amazing family success story. And Marderos, well, he would constantly say to the whole family,
00:52:37
success means nothing if we don't stay as one. Greed must never rear its head. There's plenty
00:52:41
for all of us. And so, he had a sister and she had two sons and they loved all of each other.
00:52:48
They were cousins, but they felt more like they were each other's, you know, he had four boys,
00:52:53
She had two sons. They were all, you know, very, very close. In fact, his wife was quoted as saying, before we married, he told me, I'm going to live with my parents my whole life.
00:53:06
I will never leave my mother She was queen of the house not me Next to God it was his mother Holy shit So just to give you a sense of that
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So Medeiros is diagnosed. Sorry, I don't have the date on this, but I believe it was in like 2001, I think, or so.
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So he gets diagnosed with inoperable bladder and brain cancer. Holy shit. So he basically felt like he knew something was wrong.
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He had pains in places, but he didn't go to the doctor. He avoided it. And so by the time he went in, it had spread.
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So he holds a family meeting and he tells his mother and his sister and his wife that he's dying.
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and that when he dies, he wants the Zancou business to go to his four sons. Oh my goodness.
00:54:04
Now, the problem there is that his four sons were, at the time, and had been for a couple years, fuck-ups.
00:54:12
And in ways where the oldest son had been caught trying to cheat on a law school entrance exam
00:54:20
and so had been a top student at, I think it was Woodbridge University. And so he basically got kicked out and was like barred from ever taking the test because he was going to cheat.
00:54:33
So after that, he became an evangelical Christian. He was like one of those guys that stands on the street like with a bullhorn.
00:54:41
The second oldest son was tried for attempted murder when the pimp of the sex worker that he had just visited stole money from him.
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And he ended up chasing him up the freeway and shooting at his car. And he ended up getting tried for attempted murder.
00:55:04
Wow. And it turned out to be a mistrial. So he never had to go to jail. But, of course, that mark.
00:55:11
And, of course, you know if this is the richest family in the community and shit like this starts popping off.
00:55:16
Everyone's talking about it. Then the two younger were basically just on drugs. But when I was reading this article, it sounded so harsh, but it's like, that's that thing of like, I feel like you can't get rich quick like that and have things just go great.
00:55:34
Yeah. Because once you start getting all the money you want and you can buy all the things you want, then you start wanting the things you can't have.
00:55:40
Yeah. And it gets a little nuts like that. Oh, I got it. I mean, look at my riches.
00:55:46
I just please watch your behavior is what I'm saying. okay so when he makes this announcement
00:55:53
the room goes silent because that's he's saying they're the ones that should get it
00:55:58
and his sister and his mother are both just staring at him and let's see it says
00:56:06
his mother sat stone faced she didn't ask what kind of cancer he had or what the prognosis that the doctors gave him
00:56:11
instead she blurted out in Armenian your sons the shadow they cast is not yours and then she got up
00:56:18
and she walked up the stairs and shut the door holy shit now she lived with him as he had said
00:56:26
him and his wife rita um she wouldn't speak to him so she would get up at 7 30 every morning go to
00:56:35
work come home they'd be standing in the kitchen she'd get a glass of water and go upstairs and
00:56:41
shut the door your son's dying yes and as he was getting chemotherapy as he was losing his hair he
00:56:47
ended up losing 60 pounds uh he was he was dying of cancer silent treatment that's so sad it's
00:56:55
really fucked up and it's um it's very old country i mean it's it's it's how some people are it's
00:57:03
hard um and obviously i think knowing at least based on what the wife says the relationship
00:57:10
that he had with his mother, this was breaking him. It was terrible. So after a year of the silent treatment,
00:57:19
he went into his mother's room and he took down, there was a picture of him as a child in Beirut with her
00:57:26
when he was like four years old that she had kept up on her dresser. He took it down, he took out the picture,
00:57:32
he ripped it in half, he burned the half with her on it and he crumpled up the half with him on it
00:57:37
and threw it away and then put the frame back up. And two days later, their house catches on fire.
00:57:46
Yeah. Yeah. And their house, him and his wife almost get caught in the house. They have to get rescued by firemen.
00:57:54
The house burns down. The mother takes her stuff or whatever. I don't know how much she had left and moves in with the sister.
00:58:03
So she's gone. And that's the last. How did the house catch on fire? We don't know.
00:58:07
No but as he going into his sickness and I sure tons of painkillers and in a weird place he telling his son Steve that the fire is his mother doing That she knew based on what he did to the picture that that that was her and oh my god i can stop doing that okay steven we need a new setup
00:58:31
um sorry uh so yeah he's hallucinating basically and saying that uh that it was somehow her doing um he believed that his mother and her sisters and his sisters
00:58:49
were plotting against him um they are to not give your fucking kids this goddamn business
00:58:55
well yeah i mean i mean yeah yeah they were it's it's everybody's worst nightmare it's kind of like
00:59:01
oh so this this is actually what it comes down to really at the end um so steve having to hear this
00:59:08
And of course, loving his grandmother and being in the middle of it said, can't you ever forgive her?
00:59:14
And Marderos was quoted as saying, God will forgive the devil before I can forgive my mother.
00:59:21
Holy shit. And then he said, because this is a mother, not a devil, which is super sad.
00:59:28
It's like, yeah, ultimately, your mother turned her back on you when you were in your worst place.
00:59:32
And also, it's that thing of, I'm sure, after years and years of busting her ass to make this restaurant work, he was going to come in and be like, here's how it's going to happen.
00:59:43
So it's like giving bad news and bad news. She could also be like, you know how some people get mad at someone who's sick because it's easier than the sadness you can feel?
00:59:53
Yes. So she might have been mad at him that she had to watch her son die. Yes. And it's easier than...
01:00:01
It's a thousand percent easier. Yeah. Yeah. That's, it's a stage of grief. Totally.
01:00:06
But she, yeah, it's hard. Yeah, because when someone else has a disease, then it's all about them and how hard it is for them.
01:00:17
You can't be mad at them. Yeah. I'm sure she had tons of guilt. It was just this impacted problem.
01:00:23
Yeah. um so anyway on january 14th 2003 marderos who had been bedridden and was dying gets out of bed
01:00:34
puts on a white silk suit that he hadn't worn in 20 years whoa gets a nine millimeter handgun
01:00:41
and a 38 caliber revolver whoa and walks down the stairs of his house his wife rita couldn't
01:00:49
believe what she was seeing dude and she she said in the way it's written in this article for a man
01:00:54
so near death cancer everywhere he looked beautiful so he's having some weird last yeah um later on
01:01:01
in the article they went uh he does not have that outfit on okay so they think that she's remembering
01:01:09
it because it's this yeah crazy moment and she's remembering him basically as his beautiful young
01:01:16
self that she fell in love with because it's a really beautiful story but she they lived across
01:01:21
the street from each other in beirut and she he was 19 and she was 12 and he was like no no no
01:01:27
they did that that's not when it started that's when she first noticed him because he was like
01:01:31
the high roller yeah don't be freaked out um it's actually very sweet and then when she got older
01:01:37
like she was 18 and he was like 26 yeah they started dating okay um so it's very sweet like
01:01:43
she was in love with him all her life um oh i'm gonna cry so she said you're two weeks to go
01:01:49
anywhere please get back in bed and he said i feel better don't worry i'm just gonna go down
01:01:54
to zanku and see my friends so she to see an old friend and so she you know was like all right i'll
01:02:02
see you soon but he didn't go to zanku god damn it he didn't go to zanku he went to his sister's
01:02:07
house. The housekeeper lets him in. He sits at the table. The housekeeper gives him lemonade.
01:02:15
His sister comes downstairs. She was in the shower. They sit and have a pleasant conversation
01:02:20
and share some lemonade. Then Margaret, the mother, comes home from work around 2 p.m.
01:02:29
and she greets him. She says hello to the daughter first, then she says hello to him,
01:02:35
puts her stuff down, sits at the table, and the housekeeper goes downstairs to her apartment
01:02:41
because she knows that they need to talk to each other. So they talk for about five minutes, and it's just normal chit-chat.
01:02:50
And then he reaches into his waistband for his gun, and he shoots his sister across the table dead.
01:02:56
Shut the fuck. Like point blank. And then his mother screams and runs for the door, and he runs after her,
01:03:04
and he blocks the door stands in front of her about like 15 feet away from the door it said
01:03:09
and he raises the gun in armenia and she says don't shoot me please and he shoots her eight
01:03:16
times he shoots her once she goes down on the ground and then he stands over her and shoots
01:03:21
her seven more times shit he looks around the room and sees his 23 year old nephew is on the
01:03:27
stairs frozen no no no and he just turns around goes over into the living room sits on the couch and shoots himself in the head Holy fuck Are you serious Mm hmm
01:03:41
So. Oh, my God. Now, Rita, the wife, well, at least at the time of this article, was had to be in charge of all the Zankos.
01:03:54
No. And it was this whole, they were in court about the trademark and who owned the rights to, it's this huge thing.
01:04:05
And I didn't even get into it because there's so much more to this article. A poor woman after maybe years or maybe however long taking care of her sick husband.
01:04:16
Yes. That's fucking stressful as hell. And raising four boys. Who are not doing, who are fuck-ups.
01:04:22
rich kids. Who were rich kids. And she was a very traditional kind of old school wife where she
01:04:30
didn't work. She didn't go to the store. She stayed home and was a housewife and took care of that family.
01:04:36
And suddenly just got thrown into this. I would never want to raise rich kids. No.
01:04:42
But also because that's not anything you have experience with. So they're having a whole life
01:04:46
that you don't even understand. Whatever they want. Yeah. So then after taking care of her sick, dying husband, then this happens, and she has to be in charge of so much shit she didn't expect to be in charge of.
01:05:00
Yeah. That poor woman. Yeah. So, I don't know. That's that rough story behind the best restaurant in L.A.
01:05:10
Who owns it now? Is it still in the family? I think they still do, but I'm not sure I didn't get.
01:05:14
Like once the murder part was over, that article goes on forever talking about all that part.
01:05:21
Yeah. So I figure if people are super interested in who owns the rights to the Nkoo chickens, you can go for it.
01:05:27
But I don't give a fuck. I want to, A, my stomach is growling. I know. Are you hungry now?
01:05:33
Oh, that's, I want to eat four chickens. I do too. I'm like already thinking about what I'm going to order tomorrow when I go there.
01:05:42
Wow. I know. What a messy, bloody scene to be cleaned up. I know. Oh, yeah. That housekeeper was bummed.
01:05:51
Stop it, Karen. Wow. Yeah. That was good. That was a good one. I liked that one.
01:05:59
At least I liked it because, yeah, there was food. There's delicious food that I got to describe.
01:06:09
It wasn't all tragedy. Yeah. That was good. Good food talk. Well, we've done it again.
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