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tonight. Let's see if we can nail this. It got real bad. You guys missed a lot about
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driving. You missed I spoiled a movie. Go watch the movie Christine. It's on Netflix
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and I won't. That's all I'm going to tell you. That's all. You're going to tell them and
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don't look anything up about it. Just watch it if you dare. Just watch it cold and don't know
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what it's about. It was everything that I wanted because it took place in the 80s. It was all vintage clothing.
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Amazingness. Rebecca Hall? Rebecca Hall was incredible. Michael C. Hall. This place is such a douche.
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I love it. All the halls are in it? All the halls. And it's about the invention of Hall's cop drops?
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Yep. The halls of, what was their catchphrase? Deck the halls. Now this is just word association.
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Should we start again? No, we're on a roll. Let's undo it. We're leaving tomorrow for Denver.
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Oh, yes. This will come out next week. So, hey, I can't believe how high you got everybody.
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Yeah. And so actually we're leaving in two days for Australia. Oh, shit, dude. Are you excited?
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I made us reservations at a restaurant already. That's right. Did I tell you that?
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Yeah, you did. I am excited. I have to say I'm very angry at the ghost of my mother because as the healthy already,
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as the one thing she did harp on in her life, it was always a nursing-related thing or a health-related thing.
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Anytime I flew to New York or back east, she would say, get up and walk around. You don't want to die of a blood clot.
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She would say that to me before I got on the plane. Which is like, great. Thanks for building that into my psyche.
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It'll never leave. I don't. You are not supposed to cross your legs on takeoff and landing.
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Really? For that reason. Is that true? Yeah. Well, I don't know if it's fucking true, but that's my paranoia that I've read.
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Don't cross your legs. That's so specific, though. Because you're cutting off blood circulation.
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Right. But why take off and landing? Because of the pressure. Okay. Okay. You're asking already.
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I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Well, I mean, yeah, all of it is. That makes sense-ish. It's just a concern that I have.
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Okay. So your mom told you that. All my pants are too tight and I'm scared I'm going to die of a blood clot.
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Okay. Wait, oh, you mean in life. Those are kind of two separate and then at the same time, the same issue.
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Well, here's good news. Okay. Since we're flying business class, there's a bar in business class.
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So you can walk over and meet me and Vince at the bar in business class getting absolutely
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Wait, is this like international waters where I can drink on the plane to Australia because
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shit hammered. it doesn't count as being in America or my actual life? Yes. And then you'll have a blood clot and a seizure on the plane.
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For real. And I'll punch everybody. I will punch the pilot and be arrested. Vince keeps making up scenarios like he likes to do.
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And then George is running around the business class in her G-string. I don't even wear G-string.
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Suddenly, oh, he goes, you're debuting your first G-string. Running around, miss, can you, miss, we need you to.
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Because you're going to be so drunk. Because I'll be so drunk and so excited that we're in business class.
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Very exciting. I like the idea that I can lay down That really brings me a lot of relief
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But it is scary to me I don't know There's something nerve wracking About a plane flight that long
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Huh okay well we'll hold your hand Okay okay okay We'll be in a pod That's right we'll be in a pod
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Stephen you'll be there Are you on the same flight as us? No I'm not on the same flight
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I was going to send you back drinks constantly No Well we'll send them anyways Then Stephen's in his G-string
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out of control. Steven's at my G-string. I'm ready. I got tearaway pants and everything.
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Yes! Australia style I mean I done that flight before I done the flight to New Zealand So that one a little bit longer than Australia But like I feel like I just slept the whole time
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I just was like, I can't handle this long of a flight where it's like we're landing like two days later.
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Yeah. But it's going to be intense. It's very exciting. Yeah. It's definitely going to be exciting.
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Oh, I'm going to get one of those Evian spray bottles and just spray water on my face the whole time.
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Just ma'am. Can we? Ma'am, everyone's complaining. Ma'am, nobody wants you to do that anymore.
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The person behind you was soaking wet because you keep doing it over your head. Like this is what rich people do.
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That's not doing anything. All right. Okay. Let's talk about podcasting. Oh, I want to say for the live show, since we're on the subject, that I think that we
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haven't told people that. So we do like sometimes two or three shows in the same city.
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We do a different murder every night. Oh, yes. So I feel like some people are like, because we did that once.
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The first time we did two shows in one night. I believe it was Seattle, right? Yeah.
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And you could hear the people in the second show who had been at the first one audibly groan.
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Yeah. And then we were both like, oh. It felt bad. Yeah, the air went out of the room.
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We were just staring at each other like, why are we doing this? What the fuck is wrong with us?
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And I could see in the front row the same two faces I had seen in the show before.
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Yeah. And I just wanted to apologize. So I think we did apologize to a lot of people.
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You know what we did? we stopped doing it. Therefore, that is the living apology that we did.
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So we don't do the same murder ever, ever. And it's a lot of work. I'm really mad about it.
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Like you said, that you feel like you have 15 book reports. Yes, it's true. And we have all
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new really cool merch that you can't get online for sale at the shows and live show. Like we
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actually put a lot of work into it and it's like fucking cool shit. Georgia, if you were single
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and you had a Bumble profile, I think that merch would be one of the things you would list under your interests.
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I'm really into it. Because you're fucking about merch and have been since day one.
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It's just so fun. There's so much cool shit. We have a shirt now and I can, it says I'm A and then it says,
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there's one that says Karen, one that says Georgia, but it's in our signatures. Yes.
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Which was Vince's idea. And it's so fucking cool. Shit, it was Karen's idea. You just mouthed it at me.
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God damn it, I'm sorry. It's okay. You just gave me so much credit for doing merch, and then I was like, you don't do anything.
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I do sometimes from the privacy of my home. Well, but I don't think it's that great of an idea anymore.
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What happened? You loved it when Vince did it. Vince asked me to say that. I would like to say props to Vince.
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There are lots of people who contacted us from Los Angeles or grew up here or whatever
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that needed to say there is a Carvel ice cream shop in Los Angeles out on the west side.
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Oh, yeah. We didn't know that. I've never heard of it at all in California at all.
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Me neither. Fudgy the Whale, I've been hearing about forever. Who else contacted us to let us know about Carvel?
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Carvel. Carvel themselves. Yeah. What did they say? Did you see the tweet? What did it say, Stephen?
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Oh, because we were talking about getting a Carvel Fudgy the Whale for 100th show.
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Yeah. And they said. They were like, the countdown's on, party time. It's on us or something.
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Oh, really? We're fucking famous now. To that to me, I was like, that's it. Why is it cake, an ice cream cake or whatever that we could afford ourselves?
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Send Stephen to get. Yeah. To me, I'm tweeting at us. I lost my mind. You've changed.
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You've changed. No, I haven't. Send Stephen to get. That's the part I changed. I'm excited about a cake, which is nothing new.
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But sending to Stephen. It's a real celebration. Well, what's funny to me is people talked about it and they were like, I grew up eating it and da, da, da.
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Well, I looked it up. And as far as I could tell, that shop opened in 2008. No. That's what it said on the website.
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Santa Monica? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's the only one in L.A. I think there's one outside of L.A. too.
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I think there was one in like, I'm naming a city that I don't like Monrovia. Oh, over in Monrovia?
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Over in Monrovia. Like it's one of those places where I'm from Southern California and I don't know where that.
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Like there are these cities that you're like, why would I know where Pacoima is?
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It's like, yeah, is it those there's a really there's a mystery spot that's kind of like along the Inland Empire.
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Yeah. The mountain range. There's like, why don't how do you not know where these places are?
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Like Claremont. Yeah. Happening over in Claremont. Nobody goes there unless. I think they stay there.
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They're like, fuck L.A. Yeah. Which is fair. It's like I've been to a couple of the places.
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I'm like, oh, it's fucking adorable. Claremont's fancy. Is it? It has like that college.
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They have colleges over there. Oh, you mean Harvard? That's where Harvard is. What if they had Harvard too?
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That's where Harvard too. It's similar to Harvard. It's tons of ivy. It's just mostly it's a school to teach you how to grow ivy.
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They just have a plant. They teach you how to grow ivy. Do you know that my mom is a horticulturist and I really want her...
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Wait, hold on. Yeah. Janet's a horticulturist? Yeah. Is that true? She's going to school for it.
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she's always been so fucking hardcore into plants. Wow. And then finally, at 71, she's like,
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well, I'm going to go to school to be a horticulturist. That's amazing. Yeah. So she
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works at like a nursery and I'm dying for her to open her own plant shop. And I just only because
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I want her to call it Little Shop of Horticulture. Is that the best thing you've ever heard?
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Yeah, it really is. No, it's not. No, that one I'm going to go with. Okay. That one I like.
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That's good. Yeah, it was good. Thank you. That was a sidebar, a sidebar. What if she did that and then she gets sued?
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By Rick Moranis? By the evil dentist, Steve Martin. That was so pointless. Please go on.
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Yeah, I mean, seriously. It's like we're trying to get people to not listen to this podcast.
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Here's this series I have to talk about because I'm so into it. Okay. The Sinner.
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Are you watching it with Jessica Biel Oh I dying to Okay You have to I done I didn know it was on yet Jessica Biel Bill Pullman plays the cop Oh I don know Some Jon Snow motherfucker plays her husband
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I've never seen him before, unless it is Jon Snow and he's doing an American accent.
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I'm not sure what's happening. I don't really know who that is. He's beautiful. And it is a, like, she doesn't know.
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You have to see it. I've seen the commercials and I've gotten, like, chills. It's on demand.
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Anyway, if you like, I don't know, if you like a good series, which this is, and it is, it has the crime feel to it, but it also is like has a very well written and paced drama feel to it.
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Jessica Biel, who I've never known, like I'm too old to be in that seventh heaven generation.
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Oh, me too. She is so good. I just hated it. It's, I mean, like, it's a little, you're not that, you're not that into Christianity.
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That's probably what it is. Actually, did you know I am? What? Yeah. You're a Jew for Jesus?
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Jew for Jesus. Yeah, so anyway, if you are looking for something new to watch, highly recommend The Sinner.
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I was worried it was going to be like, you know how they keep trying to make these shows that are like True Detective and they're not?
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I really didn't like The Ozarks. Did you watch that? I didn't watch it. Everyone loved it, and I'm sorry.
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I don't care, but I hated it. And so I was like, oh, I hope this isn't another one of those.
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Right now, Jason Bateman has a singleteer rolling down his cheek. And he's saying, okay.
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That's what he says in the beginning of every... Sorry, shit. I really want a walk-on role in the new Arrested Development,
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so I shouldn't talk shit on that. Is that really what you want? No. No. Are you vision boarding right now?
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I'm just spitballing my vision board. A walk-on role where you just kind of walk on.
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No, I totally get it. Because when it's done right, it's the best. Yeah. And when it's done right, you can lock into a series like that.
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Or Night of the Night of. Hello. Yeah. I want to watch it 50 times. So this. I was thinking of Jessica Biel and what's his name making out?
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Justin Timberlake? No. That's her husband. Night of. Riz Ahmed. Yeah. Oh, and you're just having personal fantasy.
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Yes. That's for your other podcast. I'm cosplaying. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm just going on.
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You don't like Riz Ahmed because if you like Riz Ahmed, you wouldn't immediately picture
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him making out with Jessica Biel. And picture making out of myself? Well, yeah. So you're not?
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He's a good-looking human. Okay. I thought you were like, oh, I want his DNA inside me.
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No, I meant that. And I want to have his baby because he's so handsome. Because he's so beautiful.
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Because he's so beautiful. And I bet the baby would be gorgeous. You're using him.
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Using his DNA. Oh, my God. I'm totally telling him why he's using him. I'm so mad at you.
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Those are my only topics, Carvel in the center. Okay. And I think we should probably watch some episodes while we eat Carville ice cream.
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Okay. Let's watch them right now. While we talk, what was I going to say? I have another thing, but I'm sure it's not important and weird.
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Weapon Bush. No, you're going first. Okay. You're not fired. All right. 1989. 20 year old woman named Terry Knorr comes to the Utah police and she has a story for them.
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she tells them about how eight years before around her mother and two brothers had killed
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both of her teenage sisters terry's teenage sisters and left their bodies in the mountains
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near like tahoe what yeah the fuck yeah tells them this she kind of like you know like a druggie and she been arrested for like shoplifting so she kind of on the outskirts of stuff so they don believe her They like you making shit up And it an insane story So the cops don believe her A therapist and a lawyer that
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she consults don't believe her story. Yeah. So she's just like, well, fuck it. I don't know
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what to do then. But then in 1993, she watches an episode of America's Most Wanted,
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calls the hotline that they give. It's like, fuck it. Starts bawling. And I guess there's
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like a woman on the other end of the line who's like oh my god and they're like talking and i'm
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like how cool would it have been to be in america's most wanted fucking call center operator can you
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imagine cool and then also you would have talked to some of the craziest you would have heard some
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of the craziest stories definitely i should say it that way would you rather be i know the answer
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to this a 911 operator or a uh call center i know or name anything or anything else in the world name
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anything else. Okay. So she calls them and this chick's like, whoa, that's crazy. They talk
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forever. She's like, well, why don't you go to the police station that this took the precinct
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that this took place in? Because she lived in Utah then and they didn't believe her. So she
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goes to the Placer County Sheriff and tells authorities what happened. And they start to
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realize that these details match with two cold cases that had happened eight years before.
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Oh, shit. And she's giving them details that fit so well that they can't not believe her.
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I so badly right now want to see video of her to see what her behavior or... I can show it to you right now.
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For real? Cold case file. Why don't they? What about her do you think makes her so unbelievable to the authorities?
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She definitely seems like the kind of person she's talking about how she told everyone she would tell anyone who listened this story.
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And they must have thought that I could see people being like this chick just fucking goes to a dive bar.
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She's a regular. She tells everyone the story. Nobody believes that it's a crazy story.
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So does she seem like an alcoholic or like she's a druggie or something? Yeah, not anymore.
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Not when she's doing the actual episode. She seems like she's got her shit together.
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She's actually incredibly believable. Well, and also if you went through that, you get to drink.
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All of it. I mean, that's the irritating thing about those kinds of situations. You live through a trauma like that of half your family killing the other half.
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And then you're supposed to just be like, oh, no, I'm a really reliable witness because I'm totally in reality all the time.
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And it's like she's telling the story and she's not crying because she had to shut her emotions off from all of this so long ago that they're like, you're telling us this story and you're telling it matter of factly and we don't believe you.
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Like even a therapist who should be able to look past all this stuff. Yeah. And like call the fucking Lake Tahoe PD and be like, hey, anyways, well, we'll get to her story and we can talk about that.
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Okay. So that, yeah, there's two never identified Jane Does that kind of match. And they're like, oh, shit, we should look into this.
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So here's the story. So Terry's mom, her name's Teresa Knorr. She's born in Sacramento, California, in 46.
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At age 16, she leaves home to marry a man five years older than her, who she had met a few months prior.
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She drops out of high school and she gets pregnant. um so on july 6 1964 that they're arguing um and the husband tells theresa that he's leaving her
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she gets so pissed off she shoots him in the back with a rifle as he's walking out the door
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killing him holy shit yeah she's arrested and charged with his murder but she says um she's
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not guilty because it was self-defense she says she doesn't tell them what happened really
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um like shooting someone in the back how is that self-defense so yeah it doesn't look good no
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But during her trial, she's pregnant with her second kid. And she claims that she shot him because he was a violent alcoholic who physically abused her.
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And she's acquitted of the murder. She gives birth to her second kid, Sheila, 65.
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And after that birth, she begins drinking super heavily, begins another relationship with a man named Robert Knorr.
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That's how she got her last name. She comes pregnant again. They have a third kid named Susan.
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and then they have three more children, William, Robert and Teresa that they named after her.
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And that's Terry. That's the girl. Teresa Jr. Teresa Jr. As you do. It's kind of cool.
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Yeah. You know what? I really love the name Virginia. But if I ever have a kid, I can't name her Virginia because my name is Georgia
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and it would seem like I'm naming her after myself. And this is my son, New Jersey.
00:22:49
Right. It's like, no, you can't do that. No. You're just vain. But if you had a daughter named her Karen, I would totally do that.
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I would do that in a heartbeat. There you go. KJ, come on. Eventually, they divorce.
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She mates another man. They get married. Two months later, they divorce. And then this is when she starts to go fucking crazy, says all the kids.
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After her fourth divorce. Fourth divorce. Six kids. she goes nuts. She starts drinking more and more. She puts on a ton of weight and is super pissed
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off about it. She starts abusing her kids hardcore. Terry said, when we were kids,
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my mom beat the shit out of us. She's like kind of awesome. Yeah. Like you want to hang out with
00:23:39
her when you see her in this cold case vial. Okay, I'll watch it. Yeah. She's just like,
00:23:43
well, she beat the ever loving fuck out of like, she's just so matter of fact about it. But like,
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you can tell she's just like that friend that's intense and wants to have late night conversations
00:23:53
with you about everything. Um, if we hugged my, our mom too much, it was like, who are we trying
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convinced that we loved her or she loved us. On the other hand, if we didn't hug her and kiss her
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and tell her we loved her, then we didn't love her and we were evil children. We were demon seeds
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that had been given to her by Bob Knorr. So she goes crazy and starts to think that her kids are
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satanic. And she becomes reclusive and disconnected the home phone and wouldn't let the kids go out
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or have visitors. They moved into a two bedroom apartment in Sacramento. Can you imagine six
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children and a mom and two bedroom. I lived in two bedroom apartments with two other roommates
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and we all wanted to kill each other the whole time. Yeah. Also, it's very hot there.
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Sacramento? Always. Yeah. Probably didn't have AC. Probably didn't. That will make you go crazy.
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Swamp coolers. That's what you told me. Yeah. We sit around in chairs right next to the swamp
00:24:46
cooler with our armpits up on it. I've never even heard of it. Just be like, let the sun go down.
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um okay the neighbor and the neighbors say the apartment was filthy and smelled like urine
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so on top of all of that so for years um teresa abused and tortured her children and it sounds
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horrific um including burning them with cigarettes throwing knives at them beating and once grabbed
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terry by the arm and held a 22 caliber pistol to her head and told her she was going to kill her
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so chances are that terry when she went to finally report this horrible thing was totally
00:25:20
shut down. That's why I was like, she wasn't crying. She was matter of factly telling the
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story. And it's like, well, yeah, at seven years old or whatever, she was like, emotions are not
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going to help you. No, I bet they count against you very badly. Yeah. With a mother like that.
00:25:34
Definitely. So she, yeah, she had no emotional attachment to this story at that point, which is
00:25:40
insane. This story reminds me of Sylvia Likens, that horrible story I covered a while ago. Yeah.
00:25:45
And that the mom made would make the other kids beat up one of them. No, no. So she would make them be involved in it so that they were part of it, you know?
00:25:58
And that's probably part of why Terry was so fucking shut down is like she kind of had a hand in it and her in her mind thinking she was responsible, too, even though you're obviously not.
00:26:08
Yeah. So there's like talk of incest. it's brought up in like one or two articles, but they don't, the word incest comes up,
00:26:16
but they don't go into details at all. So I don't really know how truthful that is or to what extent
00:26:21
that is. Let's see. Okay. So she primarily started to focus her anger and abuse on the two oldest
00:26:30
daughters, Susan and Sheila. And according to Terry, Teresa resented that Susan and Sheila were
00:26:36
maturing and becoming attractive young women while she was becoming older and couldn't lose any
00:26:41
weight um the terry kind of explains it like that but it's clearly so much more deep-seated than
00:26:47
that it's she's a monster and insane person and a bad alcohol like a degenerating alcoholic
00:26:53
and yeah there's a lot probably parts of her brain are going soft because of the drinking
00:26:58
if it's been going on for long enough yeah uh i learned that on sober house that can happen to you
00:27:04
really how oh my god but excuse me while i say take a sip of my tea that's got whiskey in it
00:27:11
But that makes perfect sense. And also, I bet you the sons, it's like every movie you've ever seen about an abusive parent
00:27:19
where eventually the 16 year old boy turns around and goes, I'll beat the shit out of
00:27:23
you if you touch me again. Right. The girls can't probably can't do that. Exactly.
00:27:27
Yeah. And yeah. And the beating the boys, you know, start beating them up and probably avoid their mother
00:27:36
beating the shit out of them because they're part of it. You know, it's it's really horrific.
00:27:41
Yeah. Especially, yeah. So she would, so because of this, she would start administering forced feedings to the girls.
00:27:50
Which, can you imagine that kind of fucking torture? Sorry, because they were young and pretty and thin.
00:27:56
So she would give them forced feedings. She would make boxes and boxes of like mac and cheese, you know, like the mac and cheese and put spoonfuls of lard in it.
00:28:07
and sit there and make them eat all of it and sucks to a point where one of the girls had her
00:28:17
front teeth were broken because of forcing her to eat holy shit yeah that's a hard thing to do
00:28:24
for to eat like that or to break your teeth really yeah i mean i've never done it yeah
00:28:29
it's it's not it's pretty solid oh my god hold on this christ all right um so and if you threw
00:28:36
up you gotta eat it like force you know when you eat so much you get full and it's so fucking
00:28:43
painful and horrible can you i think that to me is it's such a telling torture but also it's so
00:28:51
self-serving yeah it's it's yeah it's really really sad so she so teresa started to believe
00:29:00
that her fourth husband had turned Susan, one of the older daughters, into a witch.
00:29:06
So she really received the worst of Teresa's abuse. After one severe beating, Susan ran away from home, and she was picked up by police and
00:29:16
placed in a psychiatric hospital, and she told the staff of the abuse at the hands of
00:29:19
her mother. And Teresa denies the abuse and told the hospital staff that Susan had mental issues.
00:29:26
So they didn't investigate, and they released Susan back to her mother. Oh, as they do in the 80s.
00:29:32
Fuck. Yep. How old was Susan? Sorry. I think she was a teenager. A lot of the details of like age and year and that sort of thing is hazy, probably because Terry's the one giving them the info and there's not a lot of.
00:29:45
Oh, right. You know, there's not a lot of info to back it up. So it's hard to tell.
00:29:53
So of course Susan super punished for this She gets beatings while they wear a pair of leather gloves which I don understand Like this part is in a couple of the articles
00:30:05
Is it makes it more painful or something? I would imagine. I don't know. I thought maybe you would know like, oh yeah, leather, whatever.
00:30:11
Not slapping gloves, slapping with gloves like a British gentleman would. No, they like put leather gloves on and beat her up.
00:30:18
I wonder if it like delivers a punch heart. I don't know. Someone will tell us. She also forced her.
00:30:23
Okay, so they all had to beat her up. She got handcuffed to the bed, and the other children had to stand guard and watch her.
00:30:32
Make sure she didn't get out of there. The handcuffs aren't enough? I know. She makes her drop out of school.
00:30:39
Everyone drops out of school, and they're all in high school. Oh, none of them got past eighth grade.
00:30:44
Oh, no. So this all happened before eighth grade. Oh, fuck. Yeah. That's really young.
00:30:50
Okay. Very. and they were homeschooled of course based on the bible and they had and then theresa had a
00:30:57
thing called the board of education and it was a paddling board that said the board of education
00:31:02
on it and they did something wrong i've heard of that have you yeah people's parents having that
00:31:07
really yep it's a funny abusive pun oh i know it's it's cute it's like makes it And I got I got hit with a wooden spoon as a kid a lot.
00:31:21
And it is so fucking painful. Is it really? It I know it like it's it's kind of it seems it's like a cute thing.
00:31:29
Right. Like you got to spank your children. And it everyone acts like it's this is how you teach them how to be a good person.
00:31:35
No. So I got spanked a lot as a kid with both a wooden spoon and a hand. It fucking hurts.
00:31:41
And it's terrifying. and the parent is really pissed off while they're doing it.
00:31:45
So it's not like a teaching a lesson. It's you've, I am so fucking angry at you.
00:31:50
That's an adult out of control. Yeah. With a child. Yeah. Well, and also it was very fucking common back then.
00:31:55
Yeah. It was, it was not only common for people to get, uh, uh, uh, well abused.
00:32:02
Legitimately like that. They didn't think they still, a lot of people don't think that's abuse.
00:32:05
Right. But also other people's parents would kit, would slap kids or, you know, spank them.
00:32:11
Yeah. It was always this idea of spanking like on the butt was less bad. They call it a smack.
00:32:16
I don't know. Why am I oversharing this stuff? Well, it's very relevant. And I'm sure this story brought up a lot of shit for you.
00:32:23
Yeah. That's fucked up. Yeah. I hope my mom doesn't sue me for defamation. Shit.
00:32:31
No one's going to go to fucking Little House of Horticultures. All right. Yeah. Damn it.
00:32:39
Should I not? Okay. It's going to go in my memory anyways. Might as well say it on the podcast.
00:32:43
No, I'm kidding. Okay, so let's get to the fucking shit. They're having an argument in 1983.
00:32:52
Teresa shoots Susan in the chest during this argument. Fuck. The bullet gets lodged in her back.
00:32:59
Teresa makes the sons put her in the bathtub. And Susan gets nursed back to health by her mother.
00:33:06
What? Yep. She doesn't die. But it all takes place at home. Yeah. Good God. It's a hellhole.
00:33:14
Yeah. And Terry says that this was the only time that she didn't see her mother hitting Susan.
00:33:22
So it was almost like nursing her back to health made her feel motherly and needed.
00:33:28
And so she wasn't abusive. Fuck. Isn't that insane? That's where were the fucking neighbors or I mean, gunshots are taking.
00:33:36
Yeah. Well, the house, they showed a photo of the house that they moved into. the two-bedroom, it definitely looks secluded in a Sacramento kind of way.
00:33:45
I was picturing it as apartments. No. Yeah. They call it an apartment, but it's not.
00:33:51
Okay. It's like a two-bedroom small place. Okay. And it looks like it's out in wherever.
00:33:56
Yeah. But yeah, you know. So, okay. So, she's a nurse back to health. She survives.
00:34:06
And in 1984, she works up the courage and tells her mom she wants to move out. And Teresa says, OK, you can move out, but you have to let me remove the bullet from your back.
00:34:19
Because if you tell on me, that can be used as evidence. Oh, my God. This is horrific, right?
00:34:25
It's unbelievable. I know. I was like, maybe this week I'll do like an old-timey murder that's like a little more.
00:34:32
Nope. And then I was like, oh, I found this and I have to do it. It's incredible.
00:34:35
It's insane. So Teresa, Susan agrees. They put her down on the kitchen floor. And Terry says, I was basically the nurse.
00:34:46
I had to administer all these things. But either the brother or Teresa took the bullet out.
00:34:52
I can't really tell. But they fed her a ton of liquor and malarial capsules. Do you know what those are?
00:35:01
Imagine their sleeping pill. Tells she's out cold and then take the bullet out. Okay.
00:35:05
and flush it down the toilet. Oh, right. Infection sets in. Susan's skin turns yellow from jaundice.
00:35:17
They handcuff her to the kitchen table, and she lays dying on the floor. This gets really horrific.
00:35:28
Teresa tells her kids that Susan was possessed by Satan, and the only way to purge the demon was with fire.
00:35:34
Oh, no. she makes Robert and Bill, the brothers, drive Susan to Sierra Nevada, Interstate 80.
00:35:42
Do you know where that is? So it's like out in the wilderness, right? Yes. Well, the 80, if from Sacramento, you take the 80, then you're, I think, yeah.
00:35:51
Like farmland and wilderness. Okay. I pretty sure it on the way up to the mountains Yeah If I not That sounds right It like toward Roosevelt Okay All right They had packed all of her possessions into trash bags
00:36:07
They pull over. They put the trash bags down. They put Susan on top of them. Then they poured gasoline and they lit her on fire.
00:36:17
Is she still alive? Yeah. I wasn't going to say anything. Well, you have to tell the whole story.
00:36:23
I know. You have to tell the whole story. I know. And I think she was like, to me, nothing is worse than what those are.
00:36:29
Those, for some reason, are the worst to me is being lit on fire. By your fucking family.
00:36:37
Yeah. But dying of fire to me is specifically horrific. Yeah. I can't. That's like the one I can't really think about.
00:36:43
And I'm doing a story about it. And it's just a warning on cold case files that they show her.
00:36:49
Oh, they show the fucking crime scene photos. so um they she's found they put the fire out they have no idea who she is they um
00:37:02
they think that okay they have no idea who she is they make a um they make a drawing of what they
00:37:11
think that she looks like fucking case goes cold they have no idea who she is oh and uh back at home
00:37:19
So it's like a year later, late spring of 85. Teresa starts to make her now 20-year-old daughter, Sheila, work as a sex worker.
00:37:29
She pimps her out. And she's earning hundreds of dollars a day. And Teresa almost seems like she's proud of her.
00:37:37
And she eased up on the daily beatings. And Sheila's actually allowed to come and go as she pleases, which is rare.
00:37:45
and then Teresa accuses Sheila of giving Teresa an STD through the toilet seat and so she beats her hog ties her and locks her in a like tiny broom closet it's hot as fuck
00:38:06
there's no ventilation and she forbids her other children to give Sheila food or water or to open
00:38:12
the closet door and terry one day when she was gone disobeys her in hands and gives her a beer
00:38:18
which is almost like you can imagine that's probably all there was in the house yes and
00:38:22
she's this like kid this teenage kid who's like doesn't know what else to do here's a beer um
00:38:29
so she i guess teresa just said she wanted sheila to confess um but either way she's
00:38:37
going to get beaten. And so she does confess she doesn't believe her. And so she eventually dies
00:38:46
in the closet. Oh my God. Yeah. So three days later, she dies of dehydration and starvation.
00:38:51
They leave her body in the closet for an additional three days before even discovering
00:38:55
that she's dead. So the mom and son puts the body, her body in a cardboard box, tapes it shut,
00:39:02
and they take it to the mountains where they dumped it near Truckee, the Truckee airport.
00:39:07
And then they get back to the apartment and realize the smell hasn't gone away. And so Teresa orders Terry to set the apartment on fire.
00:39:15
This woman is a fucking lunatic. Guess what? She's still alive. What? She's still alive.
00:39:22
Teresa. Oh, the lunatic mom. Oh, to this day? Yeah. Oh, sorry. For a second, I was like, that was like the crazy twist.
00:39:30
No, no, no. There's sadly no crazy twist. Okay. Okay. But the dying and dead is dying at this point.
00:39:37
I mean, this is this is how you're not heard about this. I know when you said the name, it sounds familiar.
00:39:44
How have you not heard about this? I know. Isn't that crazy? It sounds super familiar.
00:39:49
But yeah, but I didn't I I don't know these details at all. But this might be when your parents like were like, we're not watching the news for a while.
00:39:56
Yeah, but 85 that I would have like if that if I heard that on the news, then I would have been like.
00:40:02
But here's the thing about 85 is that those are just when the bodies were found.
00:40:05
Two separate bodies in different counties. Oh, and there were cold cases. And there were cold cases, and they weren't even linked.
00:40:10
Okay. I think that the investigator on cold case files was like, yeah, we talked to them.
00:40:14
We're like, this is weird. But they died in totally different ways. But there were two young teenagers, but they didn't put it together.
00:40:20
Fuck. Yeah. So you wouldn't have heard much. Okay, that's right. She didn't come forward until 93.
00:40:27
But you were in Sacramento then. Stop it. I couldn't have known. Oh, I'm not blaming you.
00:40:32
I'm joking. I'm just talking about how fucking weird it is that this is like one of the most insane cases I've ever heard of child abuse.
00:40:38
And we've never heard of it. Right. I, I moved. I was in San Francisco by 93. Which just makes me want that made me want to tell the story more because it's like.
00:40:47
No, I didn't see it. How the fuck? Because it's this weird. Oh, my God. Like that idea of the crazy alcoholic mom that like keeps everybody in the house like no one's in school and it's just mayhem.
00:41:01
An ugly, sad place of constant torture. And someone that just shoots people. Like what?
00:41:07
I mean. Kills her own. It's just so crazy that there's one person against five. And she is so manipulative and insane and dangerous and scary that she's able to tell her sons to go kill their sister.
00:41:20
And they obey. It's their mother. Yeah. It's their primary. It's horrible. Yeah.
00:41:24
And it's all they've ever known. Yeah. All right. So she tells her to light the apartment on fire.
00:41:33
In the middle of the night, she sprinkles lighter fluid around the apartment and lights it on fire.
00:41:37
But it didn't spread because I think there were neighbors. So apparently there were neighbors.
00:41:42
Who knows? So the fire department responds. There's not a lot of damage. Sheila's body is discovered a few hours after it had been disposed of in the box by fucking poor fishermen.
00:41:54
Jesus can you imagine And they show that too on Cold Case Viles I was like I was so surprised And I was sitting here with Vince and he looks up right when that happens And I was like don look don look So I was like you going to think I said don look because you going to think I fucking insane that I watching this
00:42:07
He doesn't want to see, like went in the other room. He also knows you're insane.
00:42:11
Yes. But just quick FYI. He does. You're right. He likes wrestling. Exactly. Everyone's got their thing.
00:42:18
Yeah, right. Okay. They, again, classified as a Jane Doe. After leaving the Sacramento apartment, they all go into hiding.
00:42:30
They finally, the lighting on fire is finally their ticket out of there. And they all break up and spread around.
00:42:37
And Terry gets to escape her mom. Wow. At 16. The mom relocates to Vegas with one of the sons, Robert Knorr.
00:42:48
And in 91, he's arrested after fatally shooting a bartender in Las Vegas during an attempted robbery.
00:42:55
I mean, these are like these are born and bred criminals that are like now go out into the world.
00:43:00
Yeah, just reign free. Yeah. Good luck with having any kind of normal life. Yeah.
00:43:04
You any conflict you have, you're going to start shooting. Yeah. Terry. I mean, God bless her.
00:43:10
She seems she seems like she was able to straighten her fucking life out. Wow. It's unbelievable that she is able.
00:43:19
I mean, watch it just to like hear her talk. I can't wait. um so they moved back then they moved so he goes to prison for 16 years mom relocates to salt lake
00:43:29
city where she becomes a caretaker an elderly woman's caretaker this dude hires her to take
00:43:36
care of his mother ailing mother lives there and when she okay let me keep telling this okay um
00:43:42
this is gonna that's gonna turn out bad right no oh okay no it turns out like it turns out and
00:43:48
We had no idea. You know what I mean? So no, no one else gets killed. Okay, good.
00:43:54
So Terry takes Sheila's identification card to pass herself off as a legal adult.
00:44:00
Like she becomes, you do what you got to do. Yes. So when she finally goes to share her story and they finally believe her because of her detailed descriptions down to the chipped teeth of the Jane Doe they had.
00:44:17
because the box that Sheila was put in, they knew was, that was the only piece of evidence they had.
00:44:24
It was a box from a movie theater of like popcorn buckets. So they went to every movie theater and was like, is this your brand? Is this your box? And it wasn't.
00:44:32
And it turns out that Robert worked at a movie theater when they, and had taken the box from movie theater.
00:44:37
So even that corroborated everything, just these details, everything matched. so the detectives also took out the subfloor that had been stained with sheila's body to test it
00:44:49
and um uh in november 93 theresa nor is arrested at her home in salt lake city where she fucking
00:44:56
lives with this elderly mother and the son who had hired her was like we had no idea she was a
00:45:01
sweet old lady yeah she did some weird shit and she said she liked taking care of my mom because
00:45:05
she had or she liked she was like really motherly to my grandkid to my children who are daughters
00:45:11
because she said she had always wanted a daughter of her own and only have sons.
00:45:16
Oh, my God. So he didn't believe it for a long time. Okay. You know what I mean?
00:45:21
Yeah. Because you're like the guilt over leaving your mom with a fucking murderer.
00:45:25
Yeah. That would be pretty high. Yeah. You got to turn around and face that. You're not a good judge of character, it turns out.
00:45:31
It turns out you don't know your shit. You thought you were a yank. Engage your gut.
00:45:35
Yeah. Listen to your heart. Eyes open, please. Eyes open. Heart. Make a reference.
00:45:41
See, these days we have LinkedIn. That would never happen. Okay, go ahead. She's charged with two counts of murder, two counts of conspiracy to commit murder, two special circumstance charges, multiple murder and multiple murder by torture.
00:45:57
William is sentenced to probation and to undergo therapy for participating in Sheila's murder.
00:46:03
and in exchange for his testimony, the prosecution dropped all charges against Robert,
00:46:09
save for one count of being an accessory after the fact in Sheila's murder. And also the mom was like, I'll plead guilty.
00:46:16
Teresa was like, I'll plead guilty if you let my sons off. Really? Okay, here's what I have a hard time with.
00:46:22
Do the sons deserve anything? I mean, at what point in their age? I feel like I am not qualified to debate that in any way.
00:46:34
I know. I just want to bring it up because I can't give a judgment either way. Well, my first reaction is they don't because they were raised to kill people.
00:46:45
This woman, they had no choice. It was out of fear at that point and mind control that they did it.
00:46:50
Yes. And just the taut reactions of this is normal living. Yeah. But when you say that, then you basically there's so many murderers that you can say that about.
00:47:00
Right. Because they had equally nightmarish childhood. So they could actually. Yeah, exactly.
00:47:06
It's nothing is black and white. Right. So like, yeah, Ted Bundy was like abused and sexually molested, but he still held responsible for what he did.
00:47:13
It's almost like, well, at the point where they're 18 and on, then are they responsible?
00:47:17
No, no, no. I think for Ted Bundy, I think it's like once you've killed your 12th woman, it's on you.
00:47:23
No, I mean, I'm saying these boys, I don't think they would have lived these lives.
00:47:30
Definitely not. They wouldn't have killed their own sisters if their mother didn't make them participate.
00:47:34
Definitely. I would guess that. I mean, that's... Like, to me, it's like the beatings and that sort of thing.
00:47:40
No, they're not held responsible for that. But... But the murder's the same. I know.
00:47:45
It's all the mother's doing. I know. And I know people are going to argue with me and be like, you're victim blaming.
00:47:50
For sure. Right. which I understand and I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just like, how,
00:47:55
what, what point do we, at what point is it, They're a period at the end of their night.
00:48:01
Well, that's what judges and juries and all those people that look at all the information.
00:48:05
That's the point. Definitely. Where they go, okay, this is a person that had, you know, was forced into this horrible life, an entire lifestyle.
00:48:15
Is this person that liked it? This is a person that didn't just kill sisters, but then went on and attacked people in the neighborhood or like.
00:48:22
And wanted. And yeah. So Teresa pleads guilty, pleads guilty because of that. and on the condition also that she spared the death penalty.
00:48:34
Just like, fuck you. Now it can be like, period, about fuck you. In October 95, she's sentenced to two consecutive life sentences.
00:48:43
She's incarcerated in California Institute for Women in Chino. So she's fucking in, is that the Inland Empire?
00:48:49
She's in the fucking- Chino? Yeah. I don't know. It might be. She'll be eligible.
00:48:53
You should go there. You should go there now and go to Ivy League school. She'll be eligible for Pearl in 2027.
00:49:01
If she lives to see it, she'll be 80 years old. Oh, shit. She's still alive. I wonder if she's drinking inside in the clink.
00:49:09
Some fucking, some wine? Some toilet wine? Would you take a sip of that if someone made you?
00:49:14
Not made you, but if you were, like, dared? No, I don't really respond to daring.
00:49:20
That's not my jam. Yeah, you don't seem like a person who would be challenged. No, no.
00:49:24
Yeah. I mean, are you saying would I would I even be curious about the experience of what toilet wine tastes like?
00:49:34
I guess the word toilet is hard now. It ruins it. I mean, would I have. Prison wine in a bucket.
00:49:42
Prison wine in a bucket. That's quite clean. The first time ever the bucket was used was for the prison.
00:49:47
Yeah, which I'm sure they have access to clean buckets. Then, yes. Yeah, I'm sure there's a whole program set up.
00:49:52
but I would want to taste what non-toilet created prison wine tasted like. I agree.
00:50:00
And that would be fascinating. I can't imagine there's a ton of prisoners who are like,
00:50:05
yes, to toilet wine themselves. I'm an alcoholic, but I won't fucking drink. No,
00:50:10
I'm going to say no to toilet wine. Who knows? Who knows? I mean, but anyway, you got to do what you got to do.
00:50:16
Fuck Teresa Knorr. God, that was crazy. She's awful. Awful. I don't. Yeah. So, yeah, let's watch the Cold Case File.
00:50:26
I will. And did you know they're all streaming on, you can get them on demand somewhere.
00:50:33
Not on demand, but like on your DVR. No, wait, on like Roku or Apple or whatever.
00:50:39
Oh, yeah. Every single one is on except for that one. Are you serious? I'm going to go to YouTube to find it.
00:50:45
It's on YouTube. It's called Mommy something. Look up Cold Case Files Mommy. It's episode, season two, episode 24.
00:50:53
It's so dark. It makes it extra dark when you're from the place where you hear the story.
00:50:57
Because you can picture, I can picture her house dress. I can, I kept asking, like me in it.
00:51:02
I was like, I'm going to ask Karen where this is. This is insane. Yeah. I can picture her house dress like a flowery nurse's like big.
00:51:09
Dirty. Dirty. Kind of like country powder blue. Yeah, like little tiny flowers on it.
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Goodbye. Well, these are just because people very often tweet us. Have you read this? Have you seen this?
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And there are things that are happening modern day. Right. And they're often like the craziest or the most fascinating kind of true crime of today.
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And we don't always talk about it, which I know it's like it's what a lot of people are in it.
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Yeah. And I wish we could do there's so many of those. And like, this is insane, but there's no details yet.
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Exactly. It's a breaking story. Right. So what I did was I started my this week's murder.
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I wasn making any good kind of like strategic decisions as I was watching the case because I stumbled upon a BBC show that it was a Reddit It was a Reddit link to a BBC show called BBC Horizons
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that I think has been on in England for a long time. This is what it looked like because there's
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like each, each one had different opening credits that one looked like 1978 and one looked like the
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nineties. It's like they're, they're unsolved mysteries. Yeah. And so it was like the mystery
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of blank. So like there's a thing in Florida called the Florida circle. I don't know if you've
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ever heard of that, but that I was watching half of that when I was like, stop watching TV.
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Cause it was like, Oh my God, can you get it online? I mean, where can you get it?
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You can, it's just put into, see, here's the problem. It was a Reddit link. So I was watching
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off of that. And then suddenly the title started turning Russian writing. And then at one point
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I tried to click off and then it turned into like a Russian looking Facebook page.
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Oh, it said something like the name of it. It wasn't Facebook was like, OK, summertime.
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And I was like, oh, I should throw this computer. They're watching you. But now but I only have half my script done.
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So I have to keep it for a little while. But I mean, like, yeah, I made a terrible you don't click links on Reddit.
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But I did. Yes, you do. Well, anyway, it's fun. Party Reddit. It makes it exciting. So so anyway, the story that I was watching and going to do isn't really a murder.
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Like it's a lot of it's a fascinating story about a mummy that they found in in Iran that or the seller was in Iran that had it.
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And it turned out it was from Pakistan. And it was very newsworthy because the only mummies have ever been from Egypt.
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Egypt is the only place that did ancient mummification rituals. So this one might have been stolen?
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Well, they didn't know. And it was kind of weird and different. And then you see it.
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It drew me in so quickly. And then it was like, but it was, it turned into a like ancient Persia fucking Xerxes.
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Like it was the, the, the reading, the cuneiform writing on it said that it was the daughter
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of Xerxes, um, who was the ruler of the, of the Persian empire. I mean, it's all this shit.
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I have no idea what I'm actually saying right now. You sound really smart. The BBC can do that for you.
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Yeah, they can. I'm going to watch this. One special. Anyway, it turned out, so this woman who's actually, I mean, I guess I'll just, I wasn't going to talk about this one at all, but it's really cool because the woman who started looking into it was a scientist named Asma Abraham.
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And she taught herself how to read cuneiform so that she could figure out what it said on the stone coffin part.
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Oh, my God. And then that's how she figured out it said, I'm the daughter of Xerxes.
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So it was this Persian princess from the ancient Persian Empire. But then she was like looking at all the details, whatever.
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She's sending things off to experts all around the world. So they have the cuneiform expert in London.
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They send the mat that's underneath the actual mummy off to get carbon dated. They do all these things, right?
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And then there is a scientist that's in, I think it said he's the leading archaeologist in Iran.
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And he's the one that came out and said, we don't have mummies in Iran and they don't have them in Pakistan.
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They are only from Egypt. Therefore, if this is a Persian princess, then that changes like history books.
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That means that there must be, it was just this whole thing, right? Well, then as the information starts to come back and this Dr. Ibrahim is investigating everything, she's starting to notice little like we're quirky things are standing out.
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Insistencies. Yeah. So the cuneiform looks weird. And she, you know, that's why she sent it to the guy in London that was the expert.
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And she, you know, there's like that little differences in in the mummification process or whatever.
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and eventually they come to find out they send it off to get x-rayed because they were like well
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in the egyptian mummification process they empty out the body of the internal organs they dry out
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the inner body um and they put a drying agent in it they put the heart back in because the heart is
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where the heart is where your brain they believed your brain was so when cram that brain out you
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got to have that brain they pull your actual brain out through your nose right yep they stick
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a thing in there and they basically mix your brain around until it's jelly and your brain
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runs out your nose no no no no no yes and but you still have your heart which is your real brain
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which i thought was very beautiful yeah and so when they x-rayed it the heart was in there it was
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no there were no internal organs it was all the things the brain was you know whatever but they
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start to notice like the Egyptians, it was very, it's like surgical precision. So the incision that
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they would make to take the inner organs out was three inches. This one was eight on this body.
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So it's a novice. Right. They, um, the Egyptians would go up the nose to do that mixing thing with the brain.
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They, on this mummy had broken all these bones up in the palate. So they had done, it's not the way,
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because this was like a sacred ritual so they don't just like fuck it up especially if it's like a princess
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especially yes exactly especially Xerxes daughter from according to that one movie he was humongous OK so then Dr Asma Ibrahim finds pencil lines on the outer wooden box
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Pencils were invented 250 years ago or 300 years ago. I think she said or they said lead lead pencil.
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so they're like this is a total this is bullshit then they get them the carbon dating from the mat
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that was underneath the mummy back and it was made 50 years ago so they're like what the fuck
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is this so then they get a doctor to cut it open and oh also they they had taken ct scans just so
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they could see inside like the x-ray the x-ray shows you like through but then the ct scans it's
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It's like if he got cut all the way down, they can see each individual slice. Yes.
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And that's how they discovered that the body that had been mummified, the spine was broken in two places, at the neck and at the lower back.
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Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah. So they're like, okay, this is not this Persian princess.
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What was her name? Like, Rodriga or something really hard to pronounce. And they open up the mummy.
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And you can see it on this show. they show it so fucking cool my toes are curling cut it open this doctor um they have to saw it open
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like with a bone sock well because the outer um cloth that the mummy is wrapped in so the you're
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bandaged like a halloween mummy inside your arms are crossed over your chest that's how
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you know it's royalty huh and then and then they wrap the whole body in a resin saturated
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Right. So it hardens. And that's what makes it hard. Got it. So to cut that open, they pull it
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apart and it had gray hair and it was a woman. And, um, they actually made a computer generated
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image of what her face might look like based on. So cool. And they do that. I know. Right. Based
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on the skull and then based on the area that she, that they said it was found, which was near the
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afghan border they're like women of this age usually look like this yeah yeah so now they
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have a murder case on their hands shut your fuck so when is she from what's that when is she when
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is she from she had only died uh so they can't they mummified the body um like when they discovered
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all this they backdated it was like she'd only died four years ago or something and so someone
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went and got their fucking their mat from their back porch yep uh wait let me see i don't know
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why that's just such a weird part to me where it's like oh we got to put her on a mat yeah why they
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didn't oh she died in 1996 holy that's what they found out um but i can't remember i i don't have
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where that compares to what but basically what happened is in the mummification process
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they had to like they had to collect all their they had to make their plan they had to assemble
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the team of stonemasons and these forgers and all these people that would be able to make this mummy
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look so realistic because when you see it it's actually really beautiful and cool looking there's
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like they have this gold it's like a crown of cypress trees as her crown wow and then this face
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mask that they basically made it's based on a different mummy very early mummy's face mask so
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it doesn't look like King Tut. It's much more like handmade looking. It was really cool.
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They basically just had these perfect forgers and then just made these little tiny mistakes.
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So a lot of people were in on it. A lot of people were in on it. And then they don't know if they robbed a grave to get like
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the freshest body or if they killed somebody. But the person who died died violently, which
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is why they think it's a murder case. I am in shock right now. Isn't it nuts? That is the craziest story.
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Here's the other thing. Since this time, two more, quote unquote, Persian mummies have been offered on the black market for $6 million each.
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When this one showed up first. You can sell a mummy. What's that? You can sell a mummy.
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On the black market. The antiquities market, the black market for antiquities. You can do anything you want because it's just people robbing places and then selling these artifacts.
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That's why there are tomb robbers and shit. Right. But this mummy was estimated they were getting prices up to a billion dollars because this mummy was so groundbreaking of like, oh, my God, there's never been a Persian mummy before.
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This is never happened. Well, I wonder if they'd even buy it if they knew it was a fake because it's just done so well.
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Well, but it's done so well, but there's a murdered body inside of it. Yeah, but do people who buy black market mummies give a shit?
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Yeah, I think they'd still want it to be a legit mummy. Because also then you're spending all that money.
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They're spending that money for the history of it. They want that, like, this is from the sands of time.
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I bet someone would take a fucking fat discount to be like, no, this is just a really well done forage.
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Of a dead person. Hey, man. They're like, yeah, give me some Coke while you're in this.
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Oh, because they're just into bad stuff? Because they're a black market. I think of black market buyers and sellers as like scary spies.
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Like they're not. It's not. They're not. It's not historians. Not in the least. You know what?
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You just provided me my transition. Now I'm going to tell you this next story. Did you hear about this one?
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The 20-year-old British model who she went to Milan because she believed that she had gotten a modeling job.
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I bet she did and it went great Yeah it went great And now she is Carla Devigny I don know how to say her name No She had an agent that sent her and the agent whose name is Phil Green
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said that this was a recognized studio in the city center of Milan. So he didn't think he was sending her to some fly-by-night thing.
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Plus, you're like, someone's paying to send me to Milan. This has to be legit. Yeah.
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When she gets there, a man grabs her by the neck. One man grabs her by the neck.
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Another one injects her with a dose of anesthetic of ketamine. So much of it that it knocks her to the ground.
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Then she gets put into a suitcase. No, no, no, no, no, no. Not small places, please.
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Yes. Small places? Yep. Oh. And then they drive her around winding unpaved roads for more than two hours,
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bound hand and foot with tape across her mouth. Oh, my God. She's taken to a rural house in northern Italy, and she's kept handcuffed to a wooden dresser.
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And then she is put on sale online on the dark web. Dude, this dark web. The dark web.
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She's put on sale, but then at the same time, a ransom demand gets sent to her agent for $300,000.
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He knows at this point. For how much? $300,000. That's not a lot of money. Right?
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I mean, yeah, you'd think if you're going to do a crime like this, you might want to.
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What if he's like, okay. Just shoot for the moon. Yeah. So she, when she's stuck there, she tells him she has a child, the man that's there.
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And so then he puts her back in the suitcase. I don't know. Yeah, I think he does. And drives her to the British embassy in Milan.
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Why is this funny? He drops her off at the British embassy. Because she has a kid?
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Yeah. And he reported that killing mothers was against the rules of the shadowy criminal organization that this guy belonged to.
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What? They end up arresting him. He is... Wait, they were going to sell her for sex or to be murdered?
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Like this was someone they were selling to get killed. Do they sell people just to be killed?
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Probably. Yeah, I don't know. I don't either. I'm sure for sex or to be a sex slave or to be trafficked.
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Right. Have some terrible thing happen. You know, I mean, it's so sad because if we're hearing about this story, there's a million others that didn't end up.
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Right. How many people that don't have agents that don't have anybody that are like, oh, somebody thinks I'm a model or money to pay ransom?
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Yeah. Oh, my God. So the guy's name is Lucas Powell Herba. And he's from he's a Polish citizen with British residency.
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And he's the one that drops her off. And then he later gets arrested. Oh, my God.
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And they also were holding her passport so she couldn't leave the country until she gave evidence at her pretrial hearing.
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What? Because when she told the story, they didn't believe her. Are you fucking...
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They wouldn't let her go home. Right. Because they were like, we have to see what's going on.
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We don't understand what this is all about. And then it turned out that her, her agent, the cops, like everybody were...
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And then the guy that did it were all telling the exact same story. And they were like, okay, it really happened.
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I apologize. Say you're sorry. That's what's important. Milan, say you're sorry.
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Okay. Wow, that's awful. Are you ready for the next one? Absolutely. And Steven, tell me when I go too long, because it might be too long.
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No, we're still good. Okay. Four hours later. For real. So this is my favorite because for like in the early 2000s, there was a viral video that like an apartment website put out that had a girl.
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It looked like night vision video. And it was a girl coming out of a cupboard in an apartment in New York.
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And it was this story, quote unquote, was that she was living in the apartment and they didn't know.
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yeah well that was all viral that was all fake oh it was yeah i didn't know that because she kind
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of had like long black um like it looked like a ring girl hair japanese horror film totally and
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she crawled out in the scariest way yeah um and i was lit when we found that video and didn't know
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we watched it at work 50 times we would just stand around screaming and watching
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It was amazing. I mean, it was an amazing piece of literature, fiction. Well, here's a story I found. This happened in Pittsburgh.
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Jerome Kennedy decided to install a camera inside his attic after he was hearing noises coming from the ceiling of his bedroom.
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No, no. According to that's according to police. He called them a few days earlier because he heard someone up there at night, but they didn't find anything.
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So he decided to put cameras in his attic. What would you do? To see what was going on.
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I would leave. Everything. I certainly wouldn't take the time to put cameras in, but he did it.
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um and he when he gets the footage back the footage shows his neighbor robert hart villa
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havrilla crawling through the attic so they're they live in um like a like a condo thing where they share a wall and he has gone up into his attic and then crawled over and
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This guy's side. And he's carrying, in the video you can see him. It's so fucking creepy.
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I want to see this. He's carrying a drill and a light. And then he just lies on the vent that overlooks Kennedy's bed and his daughter's crib.
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For about, what does that say? For about 30 minutes. So he just looks through the vent for half an hour.
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You're just being watched sleeping. Yeah. Uh, what if he just was like, I just, I don't relaxes me. I'm nice to baby, a little sweet baby.
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I like to see other people's lives. I'm not perverted. Not during, not even when they're
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awake. I just want to see how happy they look when they're sleeping. His, the man who did its
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attorney who got caught on video, uh, told the Washington post, um, that he has no criminal
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record whatsoever. And they're making this seem like a negative situation, but it's really not.
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There are some things that haven't been said that'll clear everything up eventually.
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Oh, okay. So what are some of those things? Like you're mentally ill? He was installing a mobile for that baby.
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But he just wanted to make sure. Can you imagine walking into your daughter's bedroom in the morning and there's just a mobile that's not...
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That you didn't fit there. A surprise mobile. With the scary best music. Mobile?
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it's just all fucking skeletons and nightmares it's just got nightmares i mean i just god bless
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this that's my favorite like that's my favorite did he go to jail do they still live next door
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i mean he didn't do anything wrong according to his lawyer why would he go to jail he didn't it's
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a super positive situation it's not negative it's positive to be crawling in the attic with a drill
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With a drill. Oh. Okay. Here's the last one. This is insane and awful. And you probably heard about it because a bunch of people sent us this one from the BBC News.
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Oh, that, sorry. That was from the Washington Post. The story of the man in the attic was from the Washington Post.
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Okay. And the first, the mummies from BBC Horizon, the Horizon series, which. My new favorite show.
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It is. There's stuff on it. It was so cool. I want to watch all of them. It reminds me of, Stephen, what was that book you got us?
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The Lifetime Mysteries of the Unexplained? Yeah, yeah. From the cover, like the cover covers and the different things.
01:14:27
Time Life Series. Time Life Series. That's what it reminds me of. Can I tell you my new favorite show?
01:14:31
Yeah. Really quickly. I meant to tell you about this earlier. It's called Suddenly Rich.
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It's like on TLC. And it's just people who suddenly get a windfall. And it's like these.
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And how they can't handle it. How happy it makes their lives. It's just like if you are reading about murder and you need a positive thing.
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Oh, it's like one guy who like you had to throw at a basketball game, all these like shots.
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And if you did, you won all this money. And he was like a poor kid from like South America who had come on a scholarship and had to work his ass off.
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And then like suddenly won this money. And this woman who found like a painting in the trash in New York and it was worth a million.
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Like it's just like super cool show. It was the best. Finding like did you see the documentary about the lady who found the Jackson Pollock painting?
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Yeah, no, I didn't see it. But it was similar to that where it was just like famous artist and it turned out it was stolen and all this crazy shit.
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Yes. That's cool. So suddenly rich. Suddenly rich. When you need a fucking break.
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It's not about my uncle rich. Okay. Okay. So this one is fucked up. It happened in Denmark.
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a respected freelance journalist named Kim Wall, who was researching a feature about a man named Peter Madsen
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who had built his own private 40-ton submarine. What? Called the UC3 Nautilus. Yes.
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Oh, I did hear this one. He built that through crowdfunding in 2008, and she went down to meet him to take a tour.
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It's not supposed to hold people, but they can show. She was writing about it. Yes.
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She was doing like a human interest piece. That's what's so troubling to me about this one is that like I wouldn't be like, don't go alone.
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It's like you're a journalist and you're writing a piece about this person. A person who runs two companies and is a very relatively public figure in his country.
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For as much as we're like, be careful, don't trust anyone. It's like, but yeah, there's certain situations where you'd be like, well, of course it's fine.
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It's her job. But okay, so she meets him there. She's last seen alive August 10th as she departs with Mr. Madsen on his self-made underwater vessel.
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She met around 7 o'clock on Thursday in the harbor area of Copenhagen. And she got on the submarine.
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The last picture of the two of them were in the sub conning tower taken by a man from a cruise ship So they saw the little submarine out there
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No way. And people were taking pictures of them. I didn't know that. There's a photo of them?
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Of the two of them on the submarine, yeah. Yeah. And it's like right before sunset.
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And I mean, this is all on the internet. You can see all these pictures. But then Kim Wall's partner reported her missing the next morning.
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I believe it was 2.30 in the morning when she never came back from this trip. So initially, Peter Madsen told everybody that he had dropped Miss Wall off after dark that night
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at the Halvandet restaurant on the northern tip of Riff Chalion, very close to where they originally met.
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Did you buy that? It was good. Hey, guys, I dropped her off. There's people in Denmark laughing so hard.
01:17:54
I know. Do people in Denmark listen to this? I dropped her off at a restaurant. No big deal.
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The restaurant owner, Beau Peterson, said that the area is very covered by CCTV,
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and he handed the video footage to the police. Soon after that, Peter Madsen changed his story.
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then he said that he uh that there was an accident on the submarine while they were on it
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and he had to bury her body at sea what the that alone like if that were true is just the is insane if that were true the first story wouldn't have happened right because you
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would immediately pull out and be like i'm so traumatized this horrible thing happened yeah
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um 10 days later a headless torso that had been weighted down with metal is found
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in the waters off of Denmark and is identified as Kim Wall. Oh, no. They believe that Mr. Madsen deliberately sank his 40-ton submarine
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hours after the search for her began. Oh, my God. So here's the bad part. The torso, the arms, legs, and head were removed from the body
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as a result of deliberate cutting. Um, and which means that he did that to her in his submarine, which probably means he
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plans to do it because how, what would you have that would cut a person on a submarine?
01:19:25
Why would you have that handy? I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Submarines. Maybe there's an answer, but like, did you bring a hacksaw onto your submarine?
01:19:32
Yeah. Yeah. The lead investigator also revealed that the blood found on the sunken submarine was confirmed as Kim Walls.
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Mr. Mattson's lawyer said he does not confess to anything and pleads not guilty.
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It wasn't a negative thing. Yeah. The DNA match doesn't change my client's explanation that an accident happened.
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What could have happened? Right? This guy is the skipper and designer of the UC3 Nautilus, a privately owned submarine.
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And reports describe him as a hobby engineer. It's not clear what his background or training is.
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While building his own crowdfunded submarine, which is insane. It's like, you guys, there's charities that you can crowd, you can give money to.
01:20:26
Give me money to make my own adult boy submarine. so he gets it built then he has volunteers and people working on it with him
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but then in 2008 he moves on to what they call a more lofty ambition space exploration so he's like
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denmark's elon musk essentially um so he's now running the rocket madsen space laboratory
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which is also funded. What? Can we call it a laboratory? A laboratory filled with aluminium
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and that's also funded by donations. The aim is to launch a rocket from a floating platform in the Baltic
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and send a person into outer space. Again, so many hungry children. I mean, do we need to keep giving money to fuck it?
01:21:19
I mean, it really doesn't seem like it. Um, so it turned out that he was, they were talking about that he had a dispute with the group of volunteers that were maintaining the sub and he left them this message on a website.
01:21:37
Um, you may think that a curse is lying on the Nautilus. That curse is me. Um there will not be peace on Nautilus for as long as I exist Wow What a creep And seemingly he talking about like these volunteers and some kind of fight that they all got in together or something
01:21:56
Yeah. Yeah. That is so crazy. Isn't that awful? Yeah. And creepy. And the weird thing is like, if that were why, why take off her head and limbs?
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Like clearly you're hiding something. Yes. Shit. Oh, I didn't think of a positive thing this week.
01:22:19
Oh, yeah. You have to think of one. Okay. You know what? I'm really excited for a tour.
01:22:23
No, not fair. Fuck. Okay. That's not a thing that happened to you. You're right.
01:22:27
That's the future. Well, I was going to say I went bowling at this tiny bowling alley in Montrose.
01:22:34
And did I show you that picture? It's the cutest. It's like almost a third of the size of a normal bowling alley.
01:22:41
and it's totally from like the early 60s maybe late 50s oh my god and it's not all
01:22:46
modernized no no not at all and it's like um it was dave anthony's birthday yeah and uh it was
01:22:55
super fun but they like you can rent it out for private parties oh my god and where's montrose
01:23:00
it's the one that's kind of up so once again up in the hills it's kind of by altadena okay like
01:23:05
basically if you just drive right above glendale sure sure oh okay um and it was just perfect it
01:23:11
It was like my favorite party because there was chatting and lots of people that I love.
01:23:16
And there wasn't like crazy loud music so you can't talk to anyone like at a bar.
01:23:19
No. And also people would bowl, but then they would stop bowling because, you know, you only want to do that for a certain amount of time.
01:23:25
I love bowling alley parties. Yeah. That's a great idea. I think I might have a party there.
01:23:28
I'm going. Can I come? You're like, actually, no, you're not. I just invited myself to.
01:23:33
Stephen told me not to invite you. I just invited myself to a party. You're automatically invited to the party.
01:23:40
Yay. Yeah. I'm automatically coming, so it's a pause. Okay, good. My dad came over today and helped me with my finances.
01:23:46
Oh, how was that? It was good. He didn't yell. There was a moment where I could hear the tension in his voice.
01:23:52
I also don't think he knew what he was doing. Right. I think in the long run, all it was was someone was sitting there with me saying,
01:23:57
you have to do this now. And there were 14 times where if I had been on my own, you would have just walked away.
01:24:04
There were 14 times like, I'm just going to do this later. I'm just not going to do this.
01:24:07
And he would say, well, let's just do this. And then we can do that. And I like ended up doing it.
01:24:13
That's great. And it worked. That's great. Yeah. And it just made me, made me happy that.
01:24:18
It was a huge weight lifted off your shoulders. Huge weight, but also like kind of gave me that like,
01:24:22
oh, dad, that's what dads are for. That's right. He didn't know what he was doing.
01:24:27
He was like, I was going to be a CPA and a, and a something and a money lawyer with our tax lawyer.
01:24:32
And I dropped out and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing here? I thought you knew what you were doing.
01:24:35
He's like, I'm not really good with numbers. I thought you were. Did he really say that?
01:24:39
Yes. That's so funny. But he ended up just sitting there while I did a bunch of things. And like I had someone to I was like, well, this number is this. And he was like, you just sat there and it was great. That's so good. It was really nice. And yeah, my dad was very patient when I went through my extreme financial crisis because I never said a word to him about it because he is so paranoid about money. And he's so he's been on it. Like he used to lecture me about you have to make sure you get your taxes done from when I was like in junior high.
01:25:08
It was just like a reminder. It would be like, and never, you don't want the government after you.
01:25:13
He'd always say shit like that. That's such a dad. My dad did that too. My dad got me my first bank account.
01:25:19
It's what they do. Yeah. It's what they're into. He's like braces and a bank account.
01:25:23
That's what I can provide you. Not a ton of affection. Not good life advice because my life is in shambles.
01:25:31
Well, that's good. That makes me, I get a lot of relief from that. You do too because it's also your finances.
01:25:36
A hundred percent. it's my favorite murder finances that I screwed up royally. You have a bonus in that we're not
01:25:44
going to get arrested. Yes, that's very true. But also, here's your bonus in me. I could never judge
01:25:52
you. If you were like, hey, sorry, I lost everything. I'd be like, oh, well, because
01:25:58
there's nothing I can say. I said that today where he was like, you got it. You should make sure,
01:26:03
because if someone was my favorite murder stuff, he's like, you should make sure Karen
01:26:06
can see all this so she knows like you're playing her well and I'm like oh no she knows she knows
01:26:13
and she knows how fucked I've made it and she's cool with it yep so because those huge weight off
01:26:19
my shoulders that you are okay with it of course here's the thing at the end of the day and I'm not
01:26:24
this sounds phony it's only money now when I don't have money I don't really feel that no no one does
01:26:31
No one does But truly people do such terrible fucking things to themselves and to each other because of money I seen it happen It very bad And when people are focused on that because at the end of the day think of it you get a check Obviously a lot of us are in you get into a bad place where you like yes five thousand dollars would solve this this and this
01:26:52
That's true. But if you were if you were above level and then you had a five thousand dollar check, this is what happened to me when I worked when I had my first big job.
01:27:00
Yeah. All I did was work. And so I had absolutely no life. And I just collected money and bought cashmere sweaters from J.Crew.
01:27:10
because that's all I did because you thought you had to spend it because you were working so hard
01:27:13
it was the only thing I could figure out to do to like oh maybe this will make me happy so I had
01:27:19
cashmere sweaters in every color and I was more miserable than I've ever been in my life and that's
01:27:24
when I learned that lesson of like I wasn't doing stand-up I wasn't performing I was just a behind
01:27:30
the scenes behind the camera person that was giving all of my creativity to someone else and
01:27:34
it was fucking killing me so it didn't matter how many fucking cashmere sweaters I had showed up
01:27:40
in at work because you showed up at a miserable job. Yeah. You know, my thing too, is that like,
01:27:44
I've been poor before. I've like, pretty much up until I was 32, been pretty paycheck,
01:27:51
been paycheck to paycheck from childhood on. Yeah. And it's not the fucking, you still can
01:27:56
have happiness and survive. 100%. You're not happy because you don't have money. It sucks.
01:28:02
And there is a part of you that's unhappy because of it, but you still get to have positive life
01:28:05
experiences. So money, I mean, money's not going to take that away from us. That's right.
01:28:10
Well, and also sometimes when you have to get a little creative, you can have better and more rich life experiences because you're actually kind of in the mix.
01:28:17
Whereas I think sometimes when you have money and security, you become very isolated.
01:28:22
And you also start living lives that other people can't relate to. Yeah. So you're just kind of like, you know.
01:28:29
We're fucking tenacious. Or what was the other one? Resilient. Resilient. This is why I'll always support all the murderinos who make shit on Etsy and sell it.
01:28:37
Like my favorite murder stuff. Hell yeah. because like oh yeah i wish i had had that when i was fucking broke yeah make that fucking money
01:28:44
you guys create your awesome art projects and your cool shit calligraphy yeah write up some shit
01:28:51
amazing just don't don't there's one person who's selling our logo on something oh no you have to
01:28:57
make it you have to make it you have to earn it and don't be afraid to give us credit since it is
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our show just just plug our show yeah yeah we are you which they do pretend you fucking made it up
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Give us credit. Take your money. Take your dirty blood money. Literally. You guys, thanks for listening.
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We love you. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered. Bye. Bye. Yeah. Elvis want a cookie?
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Yeah. Yeah. Mimi want a cookie? Mimi? Elvis. That was Elvis doing a Mimi first. Yeah, he's like, yes.
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