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crazy that happened? I will start with saying that I did a tweet about me belching so loudly
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that people heard me on the street. Right. And it was very embarrassing. And lots of people
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responded and were like, I knew I was a Karen. And the irony of that is the way one of the way
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Georgia and I became friends, one of the icebreakers from the very beginning was we were at a
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Thanksgiving dinner at our friend's house, very small party. We didn't, we, we knew each other
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from talking once at a party, I believe. And Georgia, almost the entire party was belching
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and I could not stop laughing. It was my favorite fucking thing in the world. And so when that
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happened and people were like, I'm such a Karen, I was like, I wonder if Georgia's going to get mad
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that I just stole her, her thing. Yeah. I'm angry that you stole the most embarrassing thing about
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me. That's so gross that my mom is so ashamed of. That clearly just indicates that I have some
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gastrointestinal issues. I mean, join the club. I guess we all do. But I want you to have it. I
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want you to have that. I want you to be known for that instead of me. Okay. Oh, well, I've clearly
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moved into that because I made this burp. I put my hand up to cover my mouth. I will say that for
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myself. Right. But I think that made it there's an echo effect that was created because of my hand
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cupping and so it was like i was yodeling a burp across magnolia avenue they're gonna start
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bringing you on stage at coachella to fucking yodel your burps fuck the yodeling boy let's get
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me belching into a microphone right yeah what's your belched out the window and in the passenger
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seat on like in like beverly hills and like angled it out the window and next to us in the
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at the stoplight rolled down and the windows rolled down or maybe his car top up because he
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was so rich uh who i angled it at was the dude from um uh american idol who ryan seacrest yes
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oh no i vouched right at him and he was like you're going to hollywood and then randy jackson
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popped up and was like little pitchy little pitchy on that one speaking of pitchy we just wow
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we just sang steven happy birthday his birthday was yesterday guys it's steven ray morris's
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31st birthday. That's right. I feel old. No. You are. You're so old. We celebrated with a...
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I was like, what do we... We have to get Steven like a dinosaur cupcake or something.
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And then Vince went to the grocery store last night and came back with this Hello Kitty
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birthday cake in the most like insane box. It was just so hilariously perfect. And then we ate it.
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We ate it. My heart is racing right now. Yeah. Steven had two pieces. I was like,
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do you want me to throw this away he's like no i want another piece and he's having coffee my theory is that it wasn't
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ice cream per se it was just ice cream like frosting like it was just an entire frosting
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cake frozen frosting frozen frosting frosting on the outside yep and confetti and confetti
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it was pretty great it was so amazing happy birthday steven can you tell us what you've
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learned in the past year? Ooh, pay your parking ticket, which is, I think what you told me last
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year. Really? And so that worked for you? This has worked. Yeah. Yeah. We just pass wisdom like
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this. Don't you're saying don't delay, do it right away. Yeah. Cause then it just has like
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anxiety. Cause you just see it sitting in your backseat and you're just like, you already know
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it's that money's gone, but then yeah. Or you know, you're late anyway, so you don't pay it.
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And then you realize the first time you knew you were late, you weren't late and you could
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have not had to pay double. Yep. Oh, I've given thousands and thousands of dollars to the city of Los Angeles for parking
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tickets. When I lived in San Francisco, I'd get tickets all the time and I would, I would park in
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the crosswalk in front of our house because I just couldn find a spot ever And then I got and then I found out that I owed San Francisco in parking tickets I wish I had a recording of the way my dad was yelling on the phone because in the middle I was
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all scared and upset as he's yelling at me and then I realized oh I'm not at home anymore.
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This is like I can just pull the phone away from my ear put it down walk around. I don't have to
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just listen to him yell. You don't have to listen to your parents anymore. No even though he was 100%
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right i was just like yeah all right talk to you later go ahead and pay that okay pay it talk to
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you later i did a fucking rookie thing as someone who's lived in los angeles for like 20 years
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i paid a ton of money in the first like two years to parking tickets because that's what happens and
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then i was like well now i got this i i am la like this is my hometown in one week in the same spot
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i got three tickets whoa in the same fucking like did you not move your car no you just kept it's
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like it was like next to my cafe that i go work at and i was just so involved in what i was working
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on that like and also i don't know math so i like forgot that an hour had gone by and not two and
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yeah but that means you're in the flow that's actually very good you're when time collapses
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like that you're in the flow of creativity and all i have to do for that is pay 68 dollars
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it's just it's it's all akin to going to uh universal studios it's up there okay but you
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know there's less rides at that cafe but isn't it it's a wild ride in my brain that's right in that
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creative energy stupid brain i have something to tell you karen something happened that just made
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me laugh when you guys left after the episode yesterday last week where are we see because time
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has collapsed we're in the flow right there all right something happened that's like one of your
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i wouldn't call it your biggest fears but this thing that you're anxious about did you you didn't
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have pants and the only pants that were there were too small no to put on do another no guess
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another one like a thing that you're like you're always like what is this gonna happen you fell
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down in public no um remember when you fell down after we had lunch together like one of the first
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not like one of the first times after starting the podcast that we had hung out we had like
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on the lunch we had just recorded joe de rosa and kurt braunler's podcast at meltdown yeah what's
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it called and we went across the street oh oh emotional hangs emotional hangs and we left and
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oh you just ate it i felt so bad i mean i fell in that way where uh the styrofoam container that
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had my half of a BLT flew out of my hand and into the middle of sunset. And it's this thing,
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I have these trick ankles, both of them, because I've sprained both of my ankles so many times
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that every once in a while, if I step down wrong, especially there was a little pothole too. Oh,
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that's right. I stepped into a pot directly into the tiniest pothole. And I can't help but laugh
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when I see that. And I was like, we're not good enough friends yet for me to laugh at you.
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How could you not though? There's no that you have to let people laugh if you fall. If you're a
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grown adult that falls all the way down yeah you you have to take what comes but i also laughed and
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then i went and got the car and brought it to you so like i i'm not a dick i'm not like bye i'm gonna
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run through traffic that would have been amazing if you're like but well anyway great lunch
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on my way out grabbed your beer styrofoam blt and fucking took it with me like oh i love oh you
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don't want this are you threw it in the street this is for my lunch okay no i all right let me
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set the scene it's none of those fears no no moths box of moths uh-huh what what are you serious
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hi so you guys left vince and i sat down we were hanging out watching tv and i was like why is
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dotty my little kitten just staring there she has they have this box toys of all their like little
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toys and stuff and she's just staring at it which is weird and i eventually get paranoid i'm like
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why is she is there like a spider in there what's going on so I pull the box out and turn the light
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on and there's a moth in my station in it and there are moths crawling all throughout it yes
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100% I found a fucking box of moths and so I put it out on the fucking on the balcony and I was
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like no can't deal with this right now and then I went back yesterday thinking or the other day
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thinking maybe they had flown away and it's just like you can see all the moth eggs in it there's
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still moths in it so now I have to get them totally new toys and they're all these cool like
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mortarino toys that's right there's all these homemade toys i can't get rid of them oh so it's
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just it's it's the thing i do to deal with things where i just leave it put it on the balcony and
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shut the shade yeah a hundred percent oh my god that's now do you think in any realm this supports
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my theory that i am a psychic yes now i know it's been about a year and a half since i talked about
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originally fearing boxes of moths. But maybe I'm a long-term psychic. Could be. And for no reason.
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It doesn't help at all. It doesn't help anybody. It didn't help me. It wasn't a warning.
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It just turned into a funny joke. People have given us great box of moths gifts.
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That's right. Up right over here in the podlock, we have some joke box of moths.
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Gorgeous. People have handmade paper moths for us. Gorgeous. Paper moth shay. Paper moth shay.
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Maybe you are psychic to the puns I'm going to make a year and a half later. I just need to make a recording of when Georgia is talking and while she's talking, thinks of a pun.
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The joy that comes into her eyes is so delightful. It's kind of like a cartoon where you're like, paper mache, paper mache.
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Okay. Now do we talk about something fucking awful and heavy? Yes. My hometown, Burbank.
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Yeah. So I'm on the Nextdoor app in my neighborhood. Which is the talk to your neighbors, talk to your neighbors app.
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We're having a yard sale. Somebody's trying to steal my recycling. My my next fucking trash for real.
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My neighborhood is filled with old retired may potentially rich people because I live basically adjacent to a nice neighborhood So I get all these We get all the bad neighborhood stuff We get all the fancy neighborhood stuff
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Literally, there's listings like stranger on the street. Just anybody walking by there trying to report on Nextdoor.
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Can you write back and be like, calm down? I actually watched a guy. There's a really hilarious writer named Guy and or Kaiser that I follow on Twitter that's also a TV writer
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that my friends are friends with. So I kind of know of him. And I saw him one time on the Nextdoor app,
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get into a fight with a guy and I had to DM him on Twitter and just go, just so you know, I'm on your side.
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And that was, these people are insane. They're beyond insane. So one of the listings was raccoon out in the day.
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There's shit like that. We were just like, you guys need to start going to a community center
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or take a class. Or feed the raccoon and make friends with him. Or feed that raccoon and trap it.
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Get it inside your house. But the other day on the Nextdoor app, God bless it, up comes an official Burbank police report about three dead bodies that have been found in a car.
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And they don't know. There's a bunch of talk that there's missing people from the Bakersfield area that people are theorizing these might be those missing people.
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Like a family? It did not say. It's just the missing individuals from the Bakersfield area is the only way they said it.
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Okay, so maybe they're linked somehow. Well, that's the theory, but police are like, it's unproven.
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That's not, we, they don't have the identities yet. At the end, did they say wink, wink?
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Because that's how you know. That's how you know they know exactly what they're talking about.
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No, but it's like, I think about a year ago, a crime very similar where it was in the morning
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and a parking person found the burnt out car, remember? Yeah. In Burbank by the Burbank Library.
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That's what this reminds me of, but it's, I don't think it's the same area, but it still was seven in the morning and a parking person came and it was a red jeep
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that didn't park there for like several days what i think is interesting though is that it was
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parked in a illegal parking place which means they wanted the car to be found whoever left it there
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maybe you know what i mean yes the idea though that three dead bodies three people is just like
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god it like what happened something you don't let it be a family yeah what the fuck yeah what the
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fuck so scary that's uh i don't know something i'll definitely come back to you with if there's
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anything interesting but it's like we talk about this stuff so much and we read about it so much
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and when it's you know it's what we always say when it happens like near you you're just like
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no way yeah this is happens other places totally scary so scary um let me change the tune because
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i have no way to do it and it sucks okay i have two corrections from monday's uh minisode the term
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suck it was not said by stone cold steve austin in fact vince laughed at me when i said that
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so i am a terrible wrestling wife it was uh said by these other people um i don't want to screw it
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up again so okay i say and then also the thing i'm going to be drinking in the uk is not a pint
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of bitters but a pint of bitter okay bitter singular yes that's it that's good to know
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but now we know then bitters are the thing I was talking about bitter is the thing you were talking about
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right? because you can order bitters but that's when you when you feel like you're burping a lot
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you can order bitters and make all that go away yeah supposedly I have a question
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that we will find out when we are in London, England I believe they talk about having tea all the time
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but I think don't they just mean lunch? no tea is like a snack I oh shit Karen why are we just doing this right Stephen look up high tea what if we just put it
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out there to the universe and see who tells us but it's just I'm watching a British show right
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now where they keep talking about what you have for tea I think when you I think tea from the
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books I've read I think tea is you have tea and like a dessert like a what's for tea it's like
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this dessert it's like a sponge cake or some kind of pudding but not according to this tv show that's
00:16:04
Which one? Oh, I want to talk about it at the end of the show. All right. Well, okay.
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Well, when we had high tea, I think that's different. It's like lunch. Snacks. That's why I think it's snacks.
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It's not, though. According to the show. Well, we should do it when we're there.
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Can I just tell you how excited I am about this thing? Our European tour? Yeah. I'm so excited.
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It's ridiculous. We have to bring different plugs to plug in electrical sockets because they don't have American plugs.
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Right. That's what you're excited about? No, I mean, just that's one of the many differences.
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We're going to have very bad jet lag. Yeah. I mean, can you do me a favor? There's like three shows that aren't sold out in the UK.
00:16:45
Can you find out which ones those are so we can? I think it's Oslo. Oslo, you need to get more people in your way.
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Oslo is halfway full. And I think we might, what we'll do is we'll pull a curtain in halfway through the theater
00:16:58
like they do at the improv when the show hasn't sold out. So it looks like there's more people.
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We'll shove everybody up to the front. and we'll sit on the edge of the stage. Come on stage.
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We should rap. We should definitely do. We'll just talk. Rapping is talking or performance rap?
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Rapping is talking. Okay, good. I don't want to have a rap battle. We can all play telephone.
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That'd be funny. I mean, we could do crafts. Crafts. Steven, go ahead. I mean, right now,
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the only ones that are not basically sold out are Oslo, Norway, and Glasgow. Okay, great.
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What the fuck, Glasgow? I lived there. You guys need to represent Karen. I lived there with you
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into the year 2000. Go represent your friend, Karen. I believe it was 2000, perhaps 2001.
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I was on your TV for a little while. Come on. I've bought your cookies at Marks & Spencer.
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I've shopped at your malls. I got my hair dyed like you all do. God damn, they love a hair salon in Glasgow, Scotland.
00:17:48
Really? I'm going. Every block has a different hair salon on it, and every woman in Glasgow had the most awesome,
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modern cool colored hair I doing it Give me a blowout Okay great oh and we just want to say Oh yeah Jesus Christ We just want to say this about all this ticket drama
00:18:07
Our live show tickets for our really exciting fall tour just got announced on Monday.
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It's been a crazy couple weeks with the fan cult starting, too. New merch. It's really exciting.
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But with new shit comes new shit. Yes. So, thank you for your patience. We know that there was a lot of feelings happening.
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We were there with you front and center. Excitement, adventure around every turn.
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Just so you know, we're now operating in a world where no one understands how big this is except for when things like this happen.
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So basically all they can do is adjust and fix as we go. And so thank you for your patience as that happens.
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people that are trying to send a message saying that we intentionally skipped the Midwest.
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I go ahead and relax that. Ask the people in Ohio. We were just there having great shows with them.
00:19:05
There's no skipping intentionally of anything. We're just doing the tour that they're setting up for us.
00:19:11
It's all planned by other people than us. Everyone is trying to be like, I know it's Idaho that they won't come to.
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I know it's the city that Georgia doesn't want to come to this state. We've already been there.
00:19:20
We've done it. We've been there, so it's just gone and off the table. Yep. So it's not your city, state, wherever.
00:19:26
It's not. It's already been taken care of entirely. That's right. But it's going to be super fun.
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All right. And with that, who went first last week? Me? I did. You did? Yeah, because I was like, I want to go first.
00:23:07
Right? Well, and again, I still don't like I feel like we never got a confirmation on if you did Jesse Pomeroy in Boston.
00:23:15
We did. I did. Someone actually. Shut up. Somebody sent somebody sent a tweet. I should I should have written her name down.
00:23:22
I'm getting better at this, but I didn't do it this time. What? She sent a tweet that said, yeah, you did Jesse Pomeroy's second show.
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late show glad we mean so much it was something really funny like a real sassy boston response
00:23:34
that was like yeah late show thanks for the love from the late show or something it was really
00:23:39
funny but it doesn't matter because it honestly we've done so many of these that it really felt
00:23:44
new to me if you don't remember if steven doesn't remember if i don't remember if wikipedia doesn't
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mention it it never fucking happened well and that means that we can just keep on every like
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two years we'll just cycle through the same story perfect but we'll switch off but we'll yeah
00:24:00
Oh, also, there was people that were saying you said something was in some neighborhood and it wasn't.
00:24:05
Oh, yeah, yeah. I remember that part. I mean, that's par for the course. I feel like we didn't say stuff, do stuff like that.
00:24:11
Nobody would have any reason to interact. That's right. And then we would be we'd all be so alone.
00:24:15
The secret is sometimes we do on purpose just so you guys will pay attention to us.
00:24:19
We plant them. They're called Easter Easter egg mistakes. They're called they're called Passover mistakes.
00:24:26
Passover egg mistakes. Oh, for equality, for Jewish equality. okay i hear that they're pesach mistakes mistakes let me think of a pun no it's not there it really
00:24:36
pays off did that work did you even understand what i meant yes it pays off that was beautiful you were slowly turning me to the pun cult oh that was another somebody else
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sent a message that was like and because karen loved puns and my head almost exploded i was like
00:24:54
now we're just blending into the same person well listen it we've we've been doing a lot of things
00:25:00
lately and we've been busy and you know what that means when i've been busy and we come to do one of
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our episodes i survived i survived i survived all right and this one i have to thank and i'm saying
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your full name because it's on your twitter uh feed so i'm not thinking that you have a lot of
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shame about it there's nothing there's she's shameful about her name no i'm just saying i
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want to say her whole name because it's what her twitter name is okay um it's charlotte white okay
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and she tweeted me the other day and she tweeted me a little video um and she was like what about
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this fucking awesome moment from i survived i watched you watch it and i was like what is that
00:25:41
episode okay so she reminded me and i got real mad at myself for not because this is one of those
00:25:48
ones. And I think maybe I hadn't done it because this is another fetus snatching story, just like
00:25:55
Sarah Brady's. They just keep doing that. It's so crazy. But this one, I think this one might be
00:26:02
crazier. And it's also really fucking hard to listen to. So anybody that's squeamish, I will
00:26:07
warn you before I say bad things in this one, because there's been times when I haven't done
00:26:11
that. People get a little bit upset. I think that's a really good idea. Yes. Because this
00:26:15
this one's rough and what's incredible so this is tika's story okay this is me basically copying
00:26:22
down the her i survive story i feel like you've given i survive so much fucking play that they'd
00:26:28
be like yeah go ahead and use the clip i mean one would like to think that but lawyers aren't like
00:26:32
that those fucking copyright lawyers don't give a fuck okay fine fine fine so so charlotte sends a
00:26:40
clip and it's tika in the middle of telling the most gruesome thing shitting on michael jackson
00:26:47
and it's so funny and the way she does it is so funny and i was like oh my god i love that one and
00:26:53
i responded to charlotte and i was like oh my god i love that one she's amazing whatever yeah and so
00:26:58
then i was like gotta tell her story can we put the clip on like uh on socials probably right we
00:27:05
I'll just we'll just retweet Charlotte White. And then I read her home address. Charlotte White.
00:27:10
I'm going to say it 19 more times. She's at call me Charlie 16 on Twitter. Okay. If you want to
00:27:15
talk to her about this. But I do. So I always remember Tika. And it's the way she tells the
00:27:22
story. Because as she's telling her, she's always calm. And, and almost like Zen like calm. And she's
00:27:31
and we always say this and it's a really lame thing to say, but it's just how we feel. It's
00:27:37
not about, we're not talking about beauty per se. This woman is fucking gorgeous. Like,
00:27:43
and the way she, yes, exactly. Radiant, I think was the word I used. She's radiant. And she just
00:27:49
talked, she talks through the worst fucking thing that could happen to a person with this, like,
00:27:55
she just kind of is rolling her eyes. Like, and if you can believe this, this is what happened.
00:28:00
And we're just like, holy shit. All right. So now I tell you, we're in Washington, D.C., 2009.
00:28:06
Okay. And Tika lives on the streets. The way she describes herself, she says she is rebellious.
00:28:11
She didn't want to live by anybody else's rules. And because of that, she got herself into what she calls some rough spots.
00:28:18
So after living that way for a while, she decides she needs to get her life together.
00:28:22
And she gets herself into a shelter. She gets off the streets. So she's in this shelter and she meets a guy named PJ.
00:28:29
they fall in love and they get married. So when she's seven and a half months pregnant,
00:28:36
she starts to get phone calls from an unknown number. And she finally, when she picks up,
00:28:44
it's a woman who says her name's Stephanie. And Stephanie says she works for a program
00:28:48
that gets homeless pregnant women, like clothing, baby supplies, car seats, you know, strollers, whatever.
00:28:57
and she says that they have this big warehouse full of that stuff and that tika can come down
00:29:03
and pick out whatever she wants and and the smile that gets on her face when she's talking about
00:29:09
this where she's just like i was thrilled like it's this amazing opportunity and this is also
00:29:14
the part of this element of this story that's so fucked up is this is a person who is as down on
00:29:20
her luck as she can be totally and this is when she gets fucking victimized it's really fucked up
00:29:25
So she's thrilled. Immediately, her husband PJ is like, I don't like this. Stop it.
00:29:33
I don't think this is too good to be true. Yeah. And he said he actually what he says is don't rush into anything you don't know about.
00:29:41
Where I'm like, yes, PJ. But Tika's like, I really need this stuff. And there are programs like that.
00:29:47
Absolutely. There's plenty of like good hearted people that want exactly that. You know, want to help in that exactly that way.
00:29:54
So she like yeah don don be so mistrustful So she ends up meeting this woman named Stephanie outside of the shelter And she says that Stephanie is really nice
00:30:08
She's very soft-spoken. She gets into her car. Stephanie asks her how everything is.
00:30:14
She starts telling her about her life and how she has turned it around. She's gotten off the streets, and now she's married, and now she's going to have this baby,
00:30:22
and that she's really, really happy. and it so uh they as she's like talking and driving you know she's just telling her about
00:30:33
everything they end up at stephanie's apartment so she goes up into stephanie's apartment with her
00:30:38
and stephanie brings her into an unfurnished bedroom and sits her down and puts on a movie
00:30:43
and then starts doing other stuff and so yeah so here's this is the thing that like you don't know
00:30:51
any of this extra stuff. So this is just my opinion. But this is the kind of thing where
00:30:55
if you're in the position of being given something that you really, really want and need very badly,
00:31:03
you're not going to question a person that starts changing their story ever so slightly.
00:31:08
Totally. Because you still are ingratiated to that person for those things. You're like, get me to that fucking warehouse. If you need to stop off at your apartment,
00:31:16
so be it yeah that happens yeah and i'm sure that that woman gave her some storyline of why she
00:31:21
needed to be there for a little while so it's like oh i'll just put on this movie and let me just get
00:31:25
these things done but that's i don't know if that's exactly i mean that makes total sense that's how
00:31:28
i'm picturing it where you start to rationalize it's just like yeah this is fine yeah so she gets
00:31:33
a call from pj while she's sitting there he goes as she said he goes where are you at and she's like
00:31:40
i'm fine but she goes because the truth was i didn't know where i was so she doesn't want him
00:31:47
to worry right but his worry is making her begin to worry and begin to realize what a mistake it
00:31:54
was to kind of lose herself in the conversation and she doesn't she can't say where she is
00:31:59
she doesn't know what neighborhood she's even in yeah okay so and it gets worse from here so
00:32:05
they finish watching that movie. Stephanie puts on another movie. A movie? Uh-huh.
00:32:14
So it's just like... She finishes an entire movie? Yeah, two hours, right? Or maybe 90 minutes if it's an action film.
00:32:20
But yeah, then she puts on another one. And then they start watching that movie.
00:32:26
And as they're watching it, a heavy blanket gets thrown over Tika's head. and this woman starts beating her in the head she hits her like 10 times in the head oh my god so
00:32:38
tika jumps up she puts her hands up and she says all she can see is blood so uh and then she goes
00:32:47
and when you're in that situation all you can think is i got to go yeah and so she starts running
00:32:53
she gets to the fucking front door and this is like makes me so crazy like when she was telling
00:33:00
it, but it also reminded me of the other baby snatching story that Sarah Brady told in her
00:33:06
episode of I Survived that I've already done, where she runs to the front door of the woman's
00:33:10
apartment building, and it's locked. And as she tries to get it open, the woman catches up with
00:33:16
her and grabs her and pulls her back. And the same thing, an apartment. But it's in the apartment
00:33:19
where she says she gets to the door, there's a chain lock, a deadbolt, and then the bottom lock.
00:33:25
So she can't get all three of them open in time. This woman catches Stephanie catches up to her, jumps on her.
00:33:32
And this woman is twice her size. She said she was really big. And it looks like Tika is pretty petite.
00:33:39
Yeah. And they start wrestling around on the ground. She's fighting her off. And she's seven and a half months pregnant while she's doing this.
00:33:45
And she's seven and a half months pregnant. So try to remember that throughout. Okay.
00:33:51
um so while they're fighting and she has a head injury already right she has blood in her eyes
00:34:01
from that head injury already right um this woman's trying to choke her out um she's tika's
00:34:08
fighting back as hard as she can but she can't see and you know the whole thing this woman picks up a
00:34:14
fireplace poker yep so if you don't like if you're squeamish or you might faint and you're driving a
00:34:20
car whatever hit hit the forward 15 seconds button about three times right now oh no because
00:34:26
this woman picks up a fire a fireplace poker and hits tika in the head about 40 times what the
00:34:32
fuck uh-huh so she at some point during that beating passes out steven's like i can't hit 15
00:34:38
forward steven steven steven just fell backwards and was like this is my worth worst birthday ever
00:34:45
sorry sorry oh steven okay so she comes to like two minutes later okay as she feels the woman pick
00:34:54
her up by the ankles and drag her down the hallway toward the kitchen oh my god so kitchen nothing
00:35:00
good happens in the kitchen no not in this scenario then she hears her rattling around
00:35:04
in the kitchen opening drawers and doing stuff then she um the lady kneels down next to her
00:35:10
and she feels a sharp pain in her side. Oh my God. And she looks down and she sees the woman's holding a box cutter.
00:35:17
No. Oh, squeamish people. You're not going to like when I say she sees the woman holding a box.
00:35:23
Well, they've still been fast forwarding past this. Okay, good, good. I'm not going to worry about you anymore.
00:35:29
Not you. The squeamish. We have to fucking deal with it. That's right. You guys have to take this no matter what.
00:35:36
Steven is holding both his knees in his mouth. Okay. So, blood, of course, starts pouring out her side.
00:35:45
Oh, my God. She said there was blood everywhere. I fucking bet. And the woman goes back into the kitchen, this creeped me out so bad, and starts to pray.
00:35:54
So she saying stuff like Lord forgive me Lord I a sinner I so sorry Which is like that straight out of like a horrible horror movie this is like the movie carrie or something or it like we need to pray
00:36:05
yes like it's like no no you're fucking psycho yeah that doesn't like you you don't the praying
00:36:11
won't help anything right now with you have a fucking box cutter in your prayer hands god knows
00:36:16
you're about to go back to what you were fucking doing and of course she does so tika can't move
00:36:22
She can't. She's lost so much blood. She doesn't have the energy to do anything.
00:36:25
She's just laying there. The woman starts cleaning up the blood. She's just scrubbing, scrubbing, scrubbing, cleaning.
00:36:32
And then she kneels down and asks Tika if she can get up. And Tika says, I don't think so.
00:36:39
So the woman picks Tika up, carries her back to the unfurnished bedroom, and puts her on a mattress on the floor.
00:36:46
And then she takes Tika's cell phone away from her and turns it off. Oh, no. Yeah. So eventually, as she's laying there on this mattress on the floor, her bleeding stops. And she thinks maybe I can talk to her and she'll let me go. Maybe if I, the thing that most people do where it's like humanize yourself. So she starts saying, you know, like, I guess based on the information she had in the conversation on the car ride over, she's like, she talked about her kids. She talked about Stephanie's kids. She talked about her own kids.
00:37:19
And she basically said to Stephanie, I would never tell on you because I don't believe in breaking families up.
00:37:25
I wouldn't want a person to lose their family. Stephanie starts pacing in circles and going.
00:37:31
She said she could tell it was working on her because she's pacing and murmuring to herself and freaking out.
00:37:37
And at one point, Stephanie says, I got to get out of this apartment. Tika's like, oh, yeah, really?
00:37:43
Oh, my God. Me too. Then Tika says, and this is another one of those moments. You're just like, fuck, man.
00:37:48
she said but i know she's not just gonna leave me there because i've seen her face and i know where
00:37:52
she lives shit so at this point she has been held she's been battered and bleeding held in this
00:37:59
apartment for three nights three nights yeah this has continued over like all of these things that
00:38:04
she's done and taking her to the room and all that i was expecting like one afternoon no no no
00:38:08
like it's like the initial beating and then a night and and she said the first night she played
00:38:15
movies all night and tika didn't sleep all night she just stayed up watching the woman oh my god
00:38:21
like because she was obviously like just didn't know what was going to happen next um so then
00:38:27
the third night stephanie walks into the bedroom and she's holding a metal bowl full of ice with a
00:38:34
rag in it oh no a rag's on her shoulder she's got six towels and two box cutters and a knife
00:38:40
No, no. Why do people use box cutters? It's so awful. And the rag over her shoulder, like your mom did that.
00:38:49
That's actually my mom at Thanksgiving. I know. I'm picturing your mom right now.
00:38:53
Totally. My mom would be fully dressed to the nines. And then she would have the dirtiest dish towel on her shoulder because she'd be like pulling stuff out of the oven.
00:39:02
We call that a shmata in Yiddish. A little shmata? Just like a gross rag that you use to clean with.
00:39:08
That's funny because on TV, on the Ellen show, Andy Lassner used to always say, we need a schmata to cover this.
00:39:14
I always thought it meant like a nice tablecloth. Oh, no. Just like a piece of shit.
00:39:20
Just like something. We need to throw something over this. Throw some rag over there.
00:39:23
Okay, so nightmare time. Anyone coming at you with a metal bowl full of ice, run the fuck.
00:39:30
If you can run. Bad intentions. There's nothing good at the end of that. so then and this is very upsetting and it also is something that was featured did you ever did
00:39:41
you watch the um assassination of johnny versace no i haven't watched that yet it's good yeah it's
00:39:46
really good i hadn't watched it because because of course there was online we're not sure if we
00:39:51
like it or not which i always then go oh forget it yeah and then someone was like what are you
00:39:55
crazy it's the best and you will love it and i did and it's brilliant but there's one part where
00:40:00
he has a victim and this is what happened to Tika. Stephanie wrapped her tape in her head in duct tape.
00:40:08
What? So she is, her eyes are covered. Her whole head is covered. She can barely breathe through her nose.
00:40:13
I don't like it. Everything's covered. It's the worst. It's so, um, uh, claustrophobic.
00:40:20
It's like such a psychotic move. It's due to someone. It's insane. And it's incredibly dehumanizing.
00:40:26
It's like this person that I'm attacking isn't a person. It's crazy. And it's something that Andrew Kanan did as well.
00:40:37
So not a good sign. If you're doing what Andrew Kanan does, I'm not on your side.
00:40:41
Immediate fail. Okay, so now it's going to get worse, squeamish people. If you suddenly thought that you were somehow in a landing place, you aren't.
00:40:50
I did. I'm not. No, go back to being on your toes. So Tika, this is how she explains it on the show.
00:40:59
she just says she wraps her head in duct tape and then she just starts cutting so she taught stephanie stop starts at the top of tika's pelvic area and just starts cutting
00:41:15
upward fast forward fast forward fast forward this is real life uh but she doesn't have the
00:41:20
correct tools it's not like a surgical cut she is she's using fucking kitchen knives and box cutters
00:41:26
Who knows how deep to go? Who knows how? I mean, like, how do you know? This woman knows nothing.
00:41:30
And Tika, as she describes it, it's so fucking awful. And she's just like, I could feel every cut.
00:41:37
She felt every single thing this woman did. And she said she was having if she started to have a hard time breaking Tika's skin.
00:41:44
I'm sweating. I'm sweating. Nose bad. It's super bad. OK, so she starts picking at it.
00:41:50
Then when she opens the skin, then she's cutting through muscle. It like and she just laying there feeling it Now this was the part that got tweeted Is she saying this shit on I Survived Yes she telling this story And they like leaving all that stuff in
00:42:05
Well, it's what fucking happened to her. And it's what she lived through. She gets to tell it.
00:42:10
But this is the best part. She goes, this whole time this is happening to me, she's playing the Michael Jackson movie, This Is It.
00:42:17
Oh my God. And she's going back to the movie and rewinding it. If it gets to like the talking head documentary part,
00:42:24
she'll rewind it back to the song performance part and she said she's blasting the music and
00:42:30
just playing the songs over and over Michael Jackson and she said I'm laying there cut open
00:42:36
even I'm thinking why is she playing this over and over and then she goes because I hate Michael
00:42:41
Jackson anyway and that's that's the clip that yeah that got sent I saw I did not realize how
00:42:47
horrifying that quote was in the middle surrounded by what was happening yeah in the middle of that
00:42:53
And also that's that thing where, and I've said this a million times, but I survived.
00:42:58
That's that thing about the women or men that are on that show. When they tell these stories, they've been through it already.
00:43:04
And it's this proof that you can go through fucking anything and remain resilient and strong and be able to tell your own story.
00:43:11
It's what makes me cry every time. And she's like laughing in the middle of it going.
00:43:16
But she said that was the moment where she saw the big picture of what was happening.
00:43:20
She said, it blew my mind. Like how insane this, like how insane this is for her.
00:43:27
So, so anyway, it's just so crazy. She shits on Michael Jackson. All right. And then she says it like, anyway, like, I don't want to get into that.
00:43:35
Like, I know everyone's going to hate me for this. Yeah. I know that's an unpopular opinion.
00:43:38
Right. We'll talk about it later. You can hate whoever you want. Forever. Forever.
00:43:44
So when she, so of course, eventually she, he or she passes out. But even then, what a like the idea that she was awake for that, having those thoughts like she's a fucking warrior.
00:43:56
It's crazy. So when she wakes up, she's on the bed and Stephanie's laying in a fetal position on the floor in front of the doorway in the bedroom.
00:44:07
So she realizes Tika realizes she tries to roll over like she's like, this might be my chance to get out of here.
00:44:17
So she tries to roll over. And when she does, the metal bowl is still sitting on the mattress with her.
00:44:22
Her wedding ring hits the bowl and makes a ringing sound. Oh, no. And she freezes.
00:44:27
But Stephanie does not wake up. Oh, my God. So she says, thanks to herself and praise to God.
00:44:34
If I can just stand up, I'll get out of here. So she pushes her fucking self up.
00:44:39
And she says she said she asked God to give her strength from somewhere to just get her in standing position.
00:44:45
And she fucking does it. Holy shit. She starts sneaking across the room. She steps over Stephanie.
00:44:52
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Blood drips onto Stephanie. She freezes, thinking Stephanie's going to wake up and grab her, but she doesn't.
00:45:01
So then she steps the second foot over and starts going up the hallway. Now, the squeamish people who thought things were bad before.
00:45:09
Oh, no, it's not over. It's going to get worse for a second, and it's very bad. as she's going up the hallway she's leaning on one wall getting herself up the hallway halfway
00:45:20
up the hallway the contents of her torso oh my god fall out of her oh my god oh my god karen yeah
00:45:28
uh-huh oh my god she picks up no she picks it up and she keeps going what the fuck yes she fucking gets to that front door again opens all three locks and gets out of
00:45:44
the fucking apartment uh-huh it's the worst it's the worst she starts yelling for help she starts
00:45:55
knocking on apartment doors nobody comes she makes it down the stairs and at the bottom
00:46:00
of the staircase she passes out fucking stephanie comes out the door sees her down at the bottom of
00:46:10
the stairs makes her way down tries to scoop her arms underneath tika's arms to pull her back up the
00:46:17
stairs and tika starts fucking fighting she said she bit her fingers she fought she screamed for
00:46:24
help now a guy fucking finally comes down from the third floor and he's like what's going on
00:46:29
and fucking stephanie and her nice lilty pretty voice goes she's delusional and i'm just trying
00:46:36
to help her and she's fighting against me. She's covered in blood and dying. Tika, and she
00:46:41
says, and she keeps talking over me. But Tika looks up at the man and goes, help me. She's trying to
00:46:48
kill me. Then she realizes the man isn't reacting to the situation because she's wearing a navy blue shirt
00:46:54
and it's not showing the blood and the shit that's going on under her shirt. So she,
00:46:59
as she's looking at him, she pulls her shirt up and she said, the man yelled, I'm calling the cops and ran
00:47:05
back upstairs yep and so with that stephanie looked at her as and this is the way tika says
00:47:14
it in the show she says she looked at me as if she was saying i should have killed you and then
00:47:19
she ran away so now she's just bleeding out on the stairs and the the emts and the firemen come
00:47:27
she's got somebody comes and leans down next to her and goes ma'am are you hurt because she has this fucking shirt on that is making everything much more subtle than it is
00:47:39
and she says yes she's answering yes I've been beaten and I've been cut and I need help and then
00:47:47
she pulls her shirt up and this this is Washington DC I'm sure it wasn't this guy's first day on the
00:47:53
job she said he looked like he was going to throw up right there she's rushed into surgery she has
00:47:58
emergency surgery She wakes up from the surgery, as we know, because again, it's called I Survived.
00:48:05
PJ is sitting there by her bedside. Oh, PJ. PJ's there. The first thing she says is, is the baby alive?
00:48:12
A nurse walks in to come and check on her. And when she asked the nurse, is her baby alive?
00:48:18
The nurse says, you gave birth to an eight pound, two ounce baby girl. so apparently the baby was balled up way at the top of the womb so i don't know if that was like
00:48:34
a reaction like a chemical reaction pulled her upward or if that's just how she was sitting in
00:48:39
her stomach but basically they couldn't get to her oh also i just remembered a part that i will
00:48:45
not say but if you think you heard the worst part you didn't there was way fucking worse shit i bet
00:48:51
you'll tell me after we record no i'm mad at you because i read it i read it and i'm not gonna i
00:48:56
didn't do anything no i know um so then in the show she says i told them i'm gonna name her
00:49:03
miracle because i was gonna guess miracle were you really yes she says i name i'm gonna name
00:49:08
her miracle because i survived and she survived and fucking you have to look up i mean we'll we'll
00:49:15
post a picture of miracle she's got a fucking pacifier in her mouth that says i heart mommy
00:49:20
and she is this chubby she she looks like a picture of a baby at fucking seven and a half
00:49:26
months is a big baby that's a big fucking baby and she she looks like a she looks a bit like one of
00:49:32
those babies in a target ad you know those ones they just sit them by themselves and you're like
00:49:35
it's just this fully formed baby that's gorgeous that's what that's what miracle sky looks like
00:49:40
her full name um okay tika's attacker's real name is veronica doramas i guess she had she called the
00:49:51
cops on herself and they came and picked her up she pled guilty to assault and she's sentenced to
00:49:57
25 years in jail that's attempted murder yeah well i guess they couldn't prove attempted murder
00:50:03
because there was all these other stories because veronica tried to tell them that she
00:50:07
she offered Tika five grand for her baby. And she basically seeded all this doubt.
00:50:14
Yeah. Which is so fucked up because it's like, if that was the deal, first of all,
00:50:18
you would not take five grand. And secondly, you'd be like, it's a baby. Yeah. We should be in like the five digit area.
00:50:24
But on top of that, you'd fucking have the baby at nine months in a hospital. Right.
00:50:30
You fucking all you assholes. Okay. So, so mad on Monday, January 4th, 2010, 29 year old tika adams which 29 i tell you what and it's she if you told me she was 17 i would
00:50:44
have believed you she's anyway so jealous um she faces her attacker in court she goes to the
00:50:51
preliminary preliminary trial and fucking when that woman is brought into the courtroom she
00:50:55
looks her in the eye she bring she brings miracle to the preliminary trial they're sitting there
00:51:01
and then she fucking mad dogs her as she comes apparently it's very hard and she was really
00:51:05
shaken obviously she made a full physical recovery though which i cannot believe it's amazing
00:51:13
so amazing they must have had insane amazing doctors totally like at whatever that hospital
00:51:18
she went to but totally but of course her emotional recovery took much longer because that's fucking
00:51:24
insane yeah um but uh she brought oh i just had this part of the news so i read an article about
00:51:32
how about that afterwards she brought miracles dressed in a pink outfit with matching mittens
00:51:38
booties and booties and a hat um and so uh tiga didn't have to testify against that woman it was
00:51:46
just to they were just figuring out if there was enough evidence to bring it all to trial right um
00:51:51
and in the uh the public at the time public defender kim robinson tried to argue that the
00:51:59
attempted first degree murder charge that they tried to bring against her wouldn't hold up
00:52:03
because there was no evidence that doramas intended to kill tika i mean come on two box cutters
00:52:11
what the fuck yeah from the blood loss alone she would have died i mean nothing about it is saying
00:52:16
she didn't want her dead yeah um luckily prince george county district judge thurman h rhodes
00:52:23
disagreed found sufficient probable cause for all charges and she ended up uh veronica ended up going
00:52:29
to jail um and her and tika's father gregory burnett was also there and he told reporters
00:52:37
tika's my youngest daughter so i felt like she was trying to take my baby which is i mean let's
00:52:44
all cry for 95 fucking different reasons but of course at the end of um i survived as we all know
00:52:50
they make you say why you think you survived that's like the speech everyone gives yeah and
00:52:56
this is what tika said i survived because i was coming to a point in my life where i started to
00:53:01
love myself and respect myself and cherish life and i survived because of god and my support system
00:53:09
i know a lot of people love me and i know that god loves me and like they say god looks after
00:53:15
babies and fools and i had a baby and i was a fool oh my god and then she goes yep and is she
00:53:25
crying when she says all this i can't she doesn't really cry that much in this i cried the whole
00:53:30
fucking time and when i'm crying now and when she gives the speech at the end she just says that
00:53:35
she's been through everything yeah it's like she's been through everything and now here she is
00:53:40
wearing this fucking rad blue shirt looking gorgeous it's so crazy that's fucking gnarly
00:53:48
and the last the very last card that comes up says tika and her family now live in an apartment
00:53:54
in washington dc oh good come on and that is Tika Adams story of survival that I love God bless
00:54:05
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All right. Yes. My turn. Do it. Here we go. Roll up those sleeves like a member of a gang from The Outsiders and really give me this story.
00:56:38
You're just saying that because I'm wearing overall shorts for some reason. What is wrong with me?
00:56:42
George is wearing overall shorts like the most precious little kindergartner I've ever seen.
00:56:47
Here's the problem. I saw some Instagram fashion influencers wearing these and I was like, they look so cute.
00:56:54
And I got them and I'm like, oh, no, I am not that. Are you having influencer envy?
00:57:02
I think I am. Well, I'd like to say, oh, I think it's going to be roughly five words to you.
00:57:08
What? Compare and despair. That's three words. Okay. Compare and despair. Okay. Don't compare yourself to other people because then you will despair.
00:57:17
I'm like, I'm already doing that. No, no, no. I'm on it. Don't compare or you'll despair.
00:57:21
Okay, there we go. I think they tried to get it down as short as possible. No, I'm not comparing.
00:57:25
I just also don't think these look good on me. You know what I mean? Like specifically me.
00:57:29
I'm fine with it. I've only seen you sitting down in them. I need to see you mingle around in a party.
00:57:33
Yeah. That's a different level, Georgia. But I think you can pull that off. Yeah.
00:57:36
This is you've got fucking bangs back, pigtails, no makeup with my sleeves rolled up.
00:57:42
All right. Let me do this. I'm wearing a shirt that I have worn. I wore it in the video that we posted for the fans.
00:57:49
I've worn it pretty much every day since that video was made. It's covered in dog hair.
00:57:55
I don't owe anybody anything. Listen, I'm going to five five words. If it's not broken, why do you need to change it?
00:58:01
It's fine. Everything's fine. Just like give it a quick lint roll, maybe throw it in the dryer and everything's fine.
00:58:07
Four, five. Yes. Nice. Let's make it. That's the new shirt. That's the new shirt that you have to wear every day.
00:58:14
Says that on it. Yes. And we will print the shirt and there will be a dog hair on the print of the shirt.
00:58:21
So you'll never be able to lint roll it off. Print it into the ink. Yes. Cat and dog.
00:58:26
Each one of our pets will contribute a hair. Yeah. To the printing of the shirt.
00:58:30
George can't wait to donate all of her hair and some of her fingernails. We're going to shave all our pets.
00:58:36
Let's do that. We're going to have a video list. You have to join the fan cult because there's going to be a video of us shaving our pets.
00:58:41
Oh, you're going to love it. It's going to be glorious. Anywho. Anyhow. Let's do this.
00:58:48
Okay. All right. This murder or collection of murders has a very chilling name. You know this one.
00:58:58
it's the West Mesa Bone Collector. Oh, fuck. I know of it, but I'm confusing it with all those bodies
00:59:07
in Juarez. I'm thinking of the Southwest and Skeleton. And the Long Island Serial Killer
00:59:12
too, right? The collection of bodies. That kind of thing. I'm just going to do this time the West Mesa
00:59:19
Serial Killer. No, you have to do all the cases I mentioned. Or this is not real.
00:59:24
Buckle up, everyone. I'm doing all of them. Or this isn't real. Or this is a different plane of existence.
00:59:31
Or reality is canceled. Reality is canceled. Next, next, next shirt. All right. Mid 2005, Karen, Detective Ida Lopez is the only missing persons detective for Albuquerque, New Mexico, which is the largest city in New Mexico with about half a million people.
00:59:50
In Albuquerque, the rate of violent crime is more than double the national average.
00:59:55
Oh shit I didn know that Yeah there a lot of it isn Albuquerque like where um like Better Call Saul takes place and stuff And even before that Breaking Bad Oh for real Yeah Oh yeah Breaking Bad is like
01:00:05
Breaking Bad really brought Albuquerque to the fore. It really did. It's a fucking excellent, crazy show.
01:00:11
It's so good. But it does, yeah. But there's some shit going down in Albuquerque.
01:00:14
There's shit going down, like balanced with a kind of suburban, normal... It's like a really, it seemed like a really weird city in that it's some really horrible,
01:00:23
dangerous, scary shit going on. And right outside the development of the housing development.
01:00:29
Exactly. Of people trying to raise their, like, you know, any city, but double Z's in this one.
01:00:34
But I wonder if that's changed since 2005. I bet it has. And I hope people tell us.
01:00:39
Steven will give us a birthday report about Albuquerque's current crime right after this
01:00:44
murder. We need you to dress up like Albuquerque. This is going to be like a show and tell for school.
01:00:49
Can I just, sorry, but can I just tell you this really quick? Are you going to tell me about how the one country that was left when you had to do your presentation in elementary school was?
01:00:58
Was Iceland? Iceland. No. I've already told you that four times, so you don't need to hear that again.
01:01:02
No, when my sister and Nora were just visiting me, there was, we were at. Nora's your 10-year-old niece, just so everyone knows.
01:01:10
Yep. And we were at Wood Ranch Grill, and the kids' menu had a quiz testing you on state capitals.
01:01:19
And my sister and I couldn't stop laughing because in sixth grade, when my sister was in sixth grade, she had to get tested on state capitals.
01:01:25
So she on our family's brand new stereo where she plugged in a microphone that came with the kit.
01:01:31
Oh, my God. The first podcast ever made. Exactly. And it's a cassette tape that my sister recorded and talked into this into this microphone where she recited every state alphabetically and its state capital and then listen to the tape.
01:01:46
So both of us know state capitals because brilliant. Yeah. That's how I learned, too.
01:01:50
It's just repetition. Yeah. Did you record it like that and listen to yourself? I don't think we had those capabilities in the hard stark household.
01:01:57
We were pretty high. You were pretty rich, Karen. It's what you're bragging about.
01:02:01
Incredibly rich. If you if you leave today's podcast with anything, please know that we were definitely the one.
01:02:07
The Kilgariffs were moneyed. Not in the least, but but we're laughing. And then Nora starts testing us on state capitals.
01:02:16
And my sister knew all of them. And I, I was making up cities. And I was like, wait, I was just there.
01:02:22
I looked at the Capitol building, like have no recall whatsoever. You seizured that away a long time ago.
01:02:28
Thank you. I was going to say drink that away. But then I was like, that's not as nice.
01:02:33
Some things you can't control. Like the seizures is nicer. Thank you. It's like not an accusation.
01:02:37
It's more of like, poor you. You lost all your state capitals when those seizures hit.
01:02:40
Yeah. And you know what? in solidarity i did the same thing with you i just lost them all you induced some seizures in
01:02:46
your no no i just don't know the state capitals that that's friendship i know thank you you're
01:02:50
welcome okay bye bye uh okay let's go back to you just started i'm sorry that's okay
01:02:58
because it's gonna get dark not as violent but dark all right a couple weeks okay so
01:03:04
detective ida lopez this badass woman she a couple weeks after being assigned to
01:03:08
the missing persons department, the only person in missing department. Which is crazy.
01:03:13
I know. After having been in vice and a patrol officer for years, she noticed that women with similar
01:03:21
backgrounds had been vanishing from Albuquerque. All the women were in their 20s and 30s with similar looks and arrest records for sex work
01:03:31
and drugs. And they'd all vanished without word to their families, all of them. After a couple months of compiling a list, there were five missing women with similar profiles.
01:03:41
And they were all known to hang out in Albuquerque, which has, as I said, violent crime more than double the national average.
01:03:51
This part of Albuquerque that's the most dangerous part called the war zone. Oh, no.
01:03:55
So they were all known to hang out there. No. I know. What hindered her research was that some had already been missing for over a year due to their transient lifestyles.
01:04:04
lifestyles. So by the time their parents and families reported them missing, who were really
01:04:09
the only people who would report them missing, they had been used to not seeing them for weeks
01:04:14
and months, and so didn't know how long they had been gone for. Plus, since they had no regular
01:04:19
schedules, it was hard to track down when and where they had last been seen. And they also
01:04:24
supported their drug habit with sex work off of the street. So they would come into contact
01:04:31
regularly with strangers that couldn't be like tracked down and questioned, you know,
01:04:36
that sort of thing. So when Ida, who's this wonderful woman who doesn't, you know, isn't biased by the fact
01:04:42
that they are sex workers, she's like, ready to look into this. She hits the street to find out if there were any rumors of the women's whereabouts.
01:04:51
And when she does this, she hears a rumor that the girls, some of the girls had been
01:04:55
killed and were buried on the West Mesa. Like, this is a rumor going around. And the West Mesa is a vast desert just on the outskirts of the city.
01:05:05
So Detective Lopez didn't have much more to go on. But just in case, she did collect DNA and dental records from the woman's families just in case.
01:05:12
Which, of course, scared the shit out of the families. Yeah, I bet. Let's see. But it wasn't really a huge story.
01:05:22
As it never is. Right. Because it's sex workers and people that, quote unquote, have high risk lifestyles.
01:05:28
Exactly. and so nobody but Detective Lopez and the families of the missing girls were really concerned about
01:05:34
the disappearances of by 2007 what had become more than a dozen women on her list. I think it's like
01:05:41
16. It's hard to find an exact number but it's around 16 women on her list of potentially related
01:05:47
cases of missing women in the city between 2001 and 2006. So she's the only person who had noticed
01:05:53
a pattern put them together and is kind of doing whatever she can to investigate it Okay so that was 2007 All right Then in early February 2009 the case breaks wide fucking open
01:06:09
when a woman named Christine Ross, she's walking her dog named Ruka. That's her dog's name.
01:06:16
They're near their new build house on the outskirts of Albuquerque in the area known as West Mesa.
01:06:22
So Christine likes to take Ruka to an area that was once meant for new housing, but had been abandoned during the 2008 economy crash, which we all know about.
01:06:32
So all these fucking, do we all know? No, we do. Mortgages, all this fucking shit went bust.
01:06:38
All this new construction stopped being built because everyone was like, the housing market's going to be huge.
01:06:43
And then, no, everything is wrong. Let's not blame the banks. Let's fucking make poor, regular, normal people who couldn't afford the mortgages.
01:06:51
they shouldn't have been given in the fucking first place. All a scam. It's all a scam.
01:06:56
Everything's a scam. Don't watch Adam McKay's movie. What's it fucking called? Oh, damn it, Stephen.
01:07:03
Look it up. Everything's a scam. Don't buy into it. The end. Okay. The Big Short.
01:07:09
Is that right? Will you double check me? It's such a good movie. It's about that exact thing where 10 years ago, we were living in the craziest world.
01:07:17
Isn't that crazy 10 years ago? Yeah. Well, more, right? Because if it was 2007 or 2008, what did you say?
01:07:23
2008 when the bus happened. Oh, 10 years ago. Exactly. Yeah, that was the big short.
01:07:27
Yeah, watch the big short by Adam McKay. It's amazing. Okay, I'm going to watch it.
01:07:30
All right, everything's a fucking scam. It's all a lie, the American dream, et cetera.
01:07:34
Anyways. Okay, so she liked to go over to this area where the housing development had never started,
01:07:42
had been abandoned because of the crash. And it's now a desolate swath of land. My words, obviously.
01:07:49
Your word? not a cut and paste word um and she'd let ruka off his leash to run around and the desert hard
01:07:58
desert sand right so that day and it's like tumbleweedy you know we we can imagine it
01:08:04
cow skull cow skull with a skull on its head maybe maybe a tiny bit of treasure sticking out of the
01:08:12
sand well oh no shit sorry i'm gonna stop talking no because you're not wrong oh no that day christine
01:08:22
noticed ruka digging and when she approached him she realized he was trying to uncover
01:08:27
something out of the sand and it looked like a bone but she said it didn't look like an animal
01:08:33
bone so concerned she took a photo of it and sent it to none other than her own sister who was a
01:08:39
nurse and her nurse sister was like, yeah, dude, that's a femur. Call the fucking cops.
01:08:43
Yeah. So the detectives arrived. They confirmed that the bone was human and they begin to process what would become the
01:08:50
largest crime scene in Albuquerque history. Oh, shit. This is partly because when construction started for the housing development, the land had
01:08:59
been upturned and disturbed. So they were preparing the land for the housing development.
01:09:04
Right. So because of this, a lot of the bones had been broken and scattered. which is one of the reasons it became a large crime scene.
01:09:12
But also because by the time the detectives were finished processing the crime scene,
01:09:16
two and a half months later, 206 bones of 11 female bodies and one unborn child had been found buried at the site.
01:09:26
11? Yeah. 12 to all together? Yeah. Fuck. Okay, so as the digging is underway, and the media is obviously fucking losing their shit over this,
01:09:36
the bones begin to be identified. And this is the order they're identified in. The first to be identified is Victoria Chavez, who was 26.
01:09:44
She was the first woman to be identified. Just said that. Victoria's mother had reported her missing in March 2005 after she hadn't seen her in more than a year.
01:09:55
So this is the kind of, as I said, the unfortunate circumstances behind this is because they were, a lot of them, I think, drug addicts.
01:10:06
They weren't around their families a lot. They were on the streets. A lot of them run away from their families.
01:10:12
Exactly. Yeah. And so, I mean, if you've seen any fucking episode of intervention, you know what happens.
01:10:19
You know, this could have easily been me or you. These are people who become addicted to drugs.
01:10:24
They turn to sex work to fund those drugs. They fall in love with a bad crowd, bad boyfriend.
01:10:30
These things happen. They paint themselves into kind of like a bad corner, maybe.
01:10:34
Right. There's all but there's it's the thing. And I think I've said it to you a million times where it's that when you when you are watching a true crime show and the people, the family and the different people say we knew there was a problem.
01:10:47
We didn't hear from her the next day because she would never do that. Right. And every time it gives me the chills because I'm like, I don't call my family so much that they're used to me not calling.
01:10:56
Yeah. And that's how they know I'm a flake and I'm that person. Right. So like that's there's lots of us that are like that anyway.
01:11:04
Totally. And it's like you can't underestimate, you can't, we can't understate how addicting drugs and alcohol is when you have a life that you're trying to escape.
01:11:14
Yeah. Even when you're not, it's just whatever. Yeah. So the second person to be identified is Michelle Valdez.
01:11:21
She's a 22-year-old mother. Her father, Dan, had reported her missing in 2005. Michelle had gotten pregnant at 13 years old.
01:11:29
Can you fucking believe that? and later began taking drugs and was disappearing for months
01:11:34
at a time. After her bones were found, it was discovered that she was pregnant with a four-month-old
01:11:40
unborn baby, or four months pregnant. I know. Michelle's family had heard that a friend
01:11:48
of hers from the street, they didn't know her, 32-year-old Cinnamon Elks had gone missing along with Michelle
01:11:54
at the same time. This is before they knew what had happened to her. And they had heard the rumor that Michelle and
01:12:00
Cinnamon were buried on the mesa. So Cinnamon's body was the third to be ID'd. And Cinnamon's mother had reported her missing when she didn't hear from her daughter on her birthday in August 2004.
01:12:13
So next was Julie Nieto. She was 23 when she disappeared. She had become addicted to drugs at 19.
01:12:21
And when her mother last saw her in August 2004, she reported her missing because she stopped sending birthday and Christmas presents to her young son.
01:12:30
Oh, no. I know. It's like the things that you realize are off and why. And that's the last thing you have.
01:12:37
And, you know, it's so sad. So Monica Candeliara had also also had a son and was reported missing May 11, 2003.
01:12:47
Sheriff's detectives had also heard a rumor that she had been killed and buried on the Mesa.
01:12:51
So the cops knew about this rumor, but nothing came of it. The Mesa was fucking huge.
01:12:56
and her case had been given to the cold case unit. Okay, so Veronica Romero's family reported her missing on February 15th, 2004.
01:13:07
She had four children. So at this point when Veronica's found or identified at the news conference for her
01:13:15
and Monica, the fifth victim, ID'd Albuquerque Police Chief Ray Schultz. So he'd been holding press conferences as the woman had been ID'd.
01:13:25
So each time someone's ID'd, he holds a press conference. The press are fucking eating it up.
01:13:31
He had been making it clear at every press conference that the women had all and had been saying that they had arrest records for drug and sex works.
01:13:41
And they had mentioned it early and often that that was the case with these women.
01:13:44
And this press conference that he does for Veronica and Monica is the first time in the first press conference where he refers to the women as victims.
01:13:55
The first time? Mm-hmm. After how many? So they're the fifth and sixth to be reported.
01:14:01
So I think a couple of them had been announced together. They were almost making it sound the first four, like these were just the bodies.
01:14:11
We found the bodies of these sex workers, which is obviously not the word they used.
01:14:15
Right. Not the word that is used in any of the articles and fucking the shit I watched, obviously.
01:14:21
But, you know, we're new to that, too. It's a developing change, but also just that idea that it's the what he's not saying, but what's implied is and this is what happens when you live that way.
01:14:34
So it's not they're not victims and we're not it's not a concern. But he's also saying to the community who he knows are going to be flipping the fuck out and saying to him, what are you going to do about this?
01:14:44
How are you going to solve this if he doesn't if he if he doesn't imply that it's partly their fault?
01:14:50
So they just think that some fucking murderer is out there killing these young mothers and these young women and not telling everyone that they lived this lifestyle that's, quote, high risk.
01:15:01
Right. So calm down. Don't worry. And don't get mad at us. Right. So this is just the first time that they are referred to as victims is so horrible.
01:15:11
It's injustice. And it's those it's a disservice to those the first four victims.
01:15:15
Right. so uh Doreen Marquez she so this woman's interesting and it's just another one of
01:15:23
these stories that there's so much more to all of these women's background than you can ever imagine
01:15:27
and they're not just drug addicts and sex workers so Doreen had been a cheerleader in high school
01:15:32
she was a devoted mother and she didn't start using drugs till later in her 20s her boyfriend
01:15:38
had been put in jail her home life went to shit um not long after at around 27 years old her family
01:15:44
reported her missing in December 2004. So then the eighth victim to be ID'd, Solania Edwards,
01:15:53
she is different than the rest of the victims in a couple ways. First, she was the only victim
01:16:01
not known to have friends and family in Albuquerque. So she wasn't from Albuquerque,
01:16:05
her family wasn't there. She kind of had come in randomly from Oklahoma. So she was 15 years old,
01:16:12
where she had run away from foster care. She had clearly really sad circumstances in her life.
01:16:19
She didn't know her dad. Her mom died when she was five, and she was in foster care.
01:16:22
She ran away. She's also the only African-American victim. Everyone else is white or mostly Hispanic.
01:16:28
And it was determined that she was traveling on the I-40 corridor, you know, the Interstate 40, as a sex worker,
01:16:37
and I guess that's known as a circuit girl. I think it's kind of that truck stop to truck stop thing of, you know,
01:16:42
And I think you also do it with like a lot of a couple other girls. It's not just you alone.
01:16:47
Oh. Which is interesting. That's smart. Yeah. To not do it for sure. Right. But you still go alone with.
01:16:53
Yeah, that's right. So then is and they were hoping that because she was different from the rest of the victims, that that might help lead to who was doing this.
01:17:02
But it did. Nothing ever came of it. So Virginia Ann Cloven was 23. She was reported missing in October 2004.
01:17:10
She had run away from home when she was 17 after her brother had been shot and killed.
01:17:15
And she had been forced to live on the street later when her live-in boyfriend had been hit by a car and was hospitalized.
01:17:21
Oh, my God. I know. This poor fucking baby. Her family had last heard from her in June 2004 when she called to say that she had a new boyfriend who had just gotten out of prison and that she was going to marry him.
01:17:32
Number 10 is Evelyn Salazar, who's 23, also a mother. Her family reported her missing on April 3rd, 2004.
01:17:42
And she had, okay, this is weird. She had been last seen about a week earlier with her 15-year-old cousin, Jamie Barella, who was the last victim to be ID'd.
01:17:53
Oh. So Jamie Barella was 15 She was a high school student And she unlike the other West Mesa victims she had no known sex crime or drug arrests And she wasn known to be in that world But her cousin whose body was ID with her Evelyn Salazar was and they were last seen together heading from a family picnic to another park
01:18:17
so you know you got to wonder what happened she's with her older cousin they someone pulls up who
01:18:23
maybe her cousin from the sex working trade knows he's a friendly john maybe they go to hang out
01:18:28
with him you know like who fucking knows what happened that opens it up too and she's like just
01:18:32
a high school girl so it could be right can you drive her home also this what drives me crazy too
01:18:38
is like as you said like we were both drug addicts ourselves yeah um i think if you pulled most
01:18:45
people, we'd find out they were addicted to something. So this idea that these sex workers
01:18:50
and these, the way drug addict sounds to the ear, because we've been hearing it for 40 years
01:18:55
with this thing of, Oh, the drug addict. Oh, you know what I mean? Knowing the nuances of what brings you to drug addiction and how many people are secret drug
01:19:05
addicts that are like, well, you can put on your pretty pink, um, you know, sweater set and go to
01:19:10
the mall and just slightly slur it. Yeah. Or the fucking Oxycontin. thing that's taking over the nation where it's just like we have to stop making it sound like
01:19:20
drug addicts are thrilled to be that way and they're like yeah fucking party on yeah because
01:19:25
that's not the case yeah it's not once you start that's the whole thing about fucking drugs is a
01:19:31
lot of times you cannot stop yeah that's addiction too i mean love addiction sex addiction all these
01:19:36
things where you make terrible choices in your life and you know because you don't deserve it's
01:19:42
It's not you. It's not you anymore. And you don't deserve to be fucking killed or victimized.
01:19:46
No. I mean, yeah. All right. Now I'm talking to you in this tone of voice that doesn't.
01:19:51
It's not. It's not at me. You're talking to everyone else listening. So frustrating.
01:19:55
They all know. Okay. All right. You're telling Steven. I'm tired of you denying this.
01:20:02
Steven, just because you're addicted to Hello Kitty Cake. No. He's eaten the whole thing.
01:20:08
We just watched him eat the entire thing during this episode. it's impressive i kind of respect yeah with his hand yeah it's pretty great um okay so it took
01:20:20
albuquerque police nearly a year to identify all of the victims all of the women were between ages
01:20:26
of 15 and 32 and most were hispanic the women had gone missing between 2001 and 2005
01:20:32
a hundred thousand dollar reward for assistance to the arrest was assistance to arrest them whatever
01:20:38
was offered and detectives would only give the cause of death as homicidal violence i think
01:20:43
wanting to keep all that shit under wraps yeah uh so here are the suspects police started looking
01:20:49
for men who live in the area with a history of violence against sex workers turns out to be a
01:20:54
really long fucking list yeah of course they also created a timeline using satellite images
01:21:01
so this is fucking creepy and crazy and you can see this shit online and maybe we'll post it
01:21:07
In 2002, they show like the Google Earth image where they show the huge patch of what did I call it?
01:21:14
Desolate swath of land. Yeah, it's a swath. The swath of desert land. And whatever, nothing unusual.
01:21:23
But then the satellite imagery taken in 2003 shows tire marks leading to patches of disturbed soil in the area where the remains were recovered.
01:21:34
so essentially you can track someone driving up fucking digging a ditch putting a body in
01:21:40
and covering it back up you see these like squares of disturbed earth and the way that that book i
01:21:46
love um no stone in turn tells you how you can find clandestine grapes based on the soil and
01:21:52
that sort of thing yeah then in 2000 and uh that more tire marks and bare spots showing up in 2005
01:22:01
So they have this image of this timeline of this person going there and coming back.
01:22:07
Can they see the person or they can just tell by the topography of it? It's the topography.
01:22:12
It's snapshots taken. Unfortunately, there was no cars when they took the photo.
01:22:16
A tiny man. Yeah, right. In 2005, the marks stopped changing. So they think that that's because the killer had to stop using that area
01:22:26
because new estates had begun to be built in the area and people would have seen them coming and going.
01:22:31
But then everyone's always like, imagine if the economy hadn't crashed, they would have just built fucking houses over these bodies.
01:22:38
And imagine how many places that that actually happened. I mean, no, let's not imagine.
01:22:44
Let's stay up all night. All right. So the two main suspects, here they are. The first main suspect is a man named Lorenzo Montoya.
01:22:53
He lived in a mobile home less than three miles. And it's really like two miles from the burial site up until his death in 2006.
01:23:01
Lorenzo was a short but really powerfully built man. I saw a photo of him. Dead fucking eyes.
01:23:07
Like the deadest eyes. He was in his 30s when the killings occurred and had been arrested multiple times for solicitation.
01:23:14
In 1999, he had picked up a 23-year-old sex worker who was being watched by the vice unit.
01:23:20
And I don't even think she knew. They were just like, let's track her. Yeah. when they followed
01:23:27
Lorenzo's truck with the sex worker in the car, they followed them to an isolated spot
01:23:34
and police interrupted them after Lorenzo had already sexually assaulted her and while he was fucking
01:23:40
trying to strangle her. So he's strangling her and the cops like fucking knock on the window.
01:23:46
Jesus Christ. She told police that Lorenzo looked like he was enjoying strangling her.
01:23:51
Oh my God. And she was convinced he was going to kill her if the police hadn intervened Unfortunately the case was dismissed because the victim didn want to testify against him which is heartbreaking In 2006 there were reportedly tire tracks leading from his trailer to the site of the bodies
01:24:11
But I only saw that in a couple of places, so I don't know if that's actually true.
01:24:14
Right. All right. December 2006, Lorenzo had solicited a 19-year-old woman named Sharika Hill via a chat room to come to his mobile home for a private dance.
01:24:25
Once she was in his mobile home, Lorenzo bound her hands and feet with duct tape, then strangled her to death in what police called a, quote, brutal, orchestrated, and very violent way.
01:24:37
But Lorenzo didn't know that Sharika had brought her boyfriend, Frederick Williams, with her for protection.
01:24:45
So after waiting outside for an hour in his car, Frederick gets worried, goes to knock on the door of the mobile home.
01:24:54
And so this is kind of I've read two different accounts of this. Either Lorenzo was dragging Sharika's body to his car or Lorenzo just burst out with a gun.
01:25:04
And Frederick, the boyfriend, fucking shot and killed Lorenzo. Holy fuck. Yeah. So and here's another fucking great thing.
01:25:14
Can I just say one thing? Yeah. This is starting to sound insanely familiar. You know that.
01:25:18
I know you know this. Right. But we didn't do it, did we? Don't ever say that again.
01:25:22
I don't care if it's true. Maybe it was because we were in New Mexico. And so I read it.
01:25:27
Maybe. But it also, parts of this were covered in the Long Island serial killer.
01:25:32
That documentary. That's what it is. That's what it is. That's what it is. Which is, what's it called again?
01:25:36
It was so great. The Killing Fields? The Killing Fields. Yes. This is part of that is in there.
01:25:41
Yeah. No, I was thinking the same thing earlier. I was like, did you? I don't care.
01:25:45
I don't care if she did it. So, but here's another. In the article from the time I was like looking at, reading an article, the incident, it's
01:25:55
described as Lorenzo having, quote, choked to death a prostitute at his home, then was
01:26:00
shot by the woman's pimp. Like, that's how it's described in 2006 in the fucking article.
01:26:05
Not that this, not their names, not that she wasn't a fucking prostitute. She was going there as a dancer, 19 years old.
01:26:12
Not that the dude she brought was her boyfriend who she was just like, come. I know this is creepy.
01:26:17
Come hang out with me. I just want to make sure I'm safe. Right. It's instead choked to death.
01:26:20
A prostitute at his home was then was then shot by the woman's pimp. Like that just implies that it's almost like he's the victim.
01:26:28
A hundred percent. And also it's not specific to like even the police were like it was extremely violent.
01:26:37
Right. it's like they don't i don't know why choke to death sounds so much lighter than like the if the
01:26:43
cops are saying extreme violence why can't the why can't the newspaper say it and then in this in all
01:26:48
these interviews with the you know investigators who now won't say if you know he's a major suspect
01:26:53
or not they all say like well we would have loved to interview him and we would have loved to have
01:26:58
a chance to interrogate him but we can't it's almost like they're they're blaming this guy
01:27:02
yeah frederick williams this poor fucking dude who killed him and it's like it just sounds
01:27:07
accusatory that if he hadn't done that maybe they would be able to solve it i mean who pulled a gun
01:27:12
who also had a gun like it's just who just murdered his fucking girlfriend like his his
01:27:19
girlfriend's murderer right yeah so it's just it's hard yes after lorenzo's killed the murders stop
01:27:26
oh yeah well i feel like we've solved it i think so too but here's another suspect okay
01:27:31
uh okay so police thought looked good for the murders is a dude named joseph blay b-l-e-a
01:27:40
seven days after finding the first phone on the mesa a woman calls detectives to say that they
01:27:45
should look at her ex-husband joseph blay she said that they uh she'd found jewelry in the house
01:27:51
that didn't belong to her and women's underwear the women's underwear like maybe he's a perv and
01:27:56
like collects and like saves them whatever the jewelry is like no fucking one's gonna be like
01:28:00
yeah take my jewelry true i mean and maybe he collects that too there's all ways to do it but
01:28:06
like the combination of the two is not good never listen oh my god if you find jewelry in your
01:28:11
if you find jewelry underwear and duct tape in one duffel bag get the fuck out of town goodbye
01:28:18
well here here's this oh this dude is a fucking piece of shit okay in the 1980s blay had been
01:28:24
dubbed quote the mid-school rapist uh-oh as he would often break into the homes of 13 to 15 year
01:28:30
girls who lived near a middle school in Albuquerque and raped them in the 80s. Between 1990 and 2009, Blay had 130 run-ins with police.
01:28:41
Fucking A. 130. He frequented areas that many of the victims were known to hang out and was once found
01:28:47
by police in that area with rope and electrical tape in his car. So there you go.
01:28:53
Shit, there it is. He's got all fucking three. He's got everything we need. In one case, the DNA from a 1985 murder of a girl found in Albuquerque was retested, but not until 2010 after someone else had gone to prison for it and found a match play.
01:29:07
So the guy who was in prison for it was exonerated. Oh, good. In addition, okay, and this part is, and I want to know your opinion on this.
01:29:15
So a tree tag from a nursery was found in the area where the West Mesa's victims' bodies were buried.
01:29:21
and it was tracked down to a nursery in California that Blay had once frequented.
01:29:27
To me, that's like you're in an area of there's trash everywhere. It's also or there's a new building going on.
01:29:35
So plants were probably ordered. Yeah, shipped in. And if it's being shipped in, maybe it's from California.
01:29:40
That to me is just like a fucking long shot. Unless it's like buried in the dirt with the bodies.
01:29:45
Yeah. But, you know, I think if you look at it in the way of if you're a police person that's
01:29:50
processing that evidence and when you look it all up and then you like oh this is from this is from the sun valley um uh botanical whatever oh it from from what did I want to call my name Little Shop of Horticulture
01:30:06
Where my mom, what my mom owns. My mom, a horticulturist. So once they, when they're looking into that
01:30:14
and they're like, they call up and then they're like, have you ever heard of this guy's name?
01:30:17
And they say yes. I mean, boom, you're like, there's no way that's a coincidence.
01:30:21
That's very true. It's more circumstantial evidence that will keep you on track looking into this guy.
01:30:26
Of course. Also, the idea that anybody hangs out at a nursery, the way you phrased it is like it's his favorite bar.
01:30:33
Frequent, yeah. I frequent this nursery. I just like to touch jasmine plants. It's what I like.
01:30:38
I do like to do that. They're very silky. They are. They smell so good. Okay. So he's now around 60 years old and he's serving 90 years in prison or he has a 90 year prison sentence for four of the sexual assaults related.
01:30:52
way back into the 1980s for the mid-school rape cases. He's claimed that he's been with
01:30:58
several of the West Mesa victims in the past. Like, had, like, hired them as sex workers. He just brought
01:31:04
that up? I guess so. Okay. Who knows? Alright. Six women from Detective Lopez's list of similarly missing
01:31:12
women in Albuquerque are still unaccounted for. Six. Six. The last to go missing was
01:31:18
Vanessa Reed in June of 2006, just six months before lorenzo was shot and killed um in 2014 detective lopez retired she was like i can't apparently
01:31:30
she did plenty she did a lot she fucking nailed it and so there was only one detective left on
01:31:35
the case but then in 2016 detective lopez was like all right fine she comes back to work uh
01:31:41
i'm putting so many throws down a dish towel fine she's like there's a dateline about this case and
01:31:46
she's interviewed throughout it and she's just cries she's lovely she's just such a clearly
01:31:51
a caring woman who just wants nothing more than this case to be solved for the families, for the victims.
01:32:00
She cares not, you know, about their history. She's just obviously a wonderful woman.
01:32:06
Can I just say, too, I think the more women that get involved in police work and all this stuff
01:32:10
that we all talk about that I think people are genuinely interested in, but the more they get involved
01:32:15
and people like to argue, oh, political correctness. Oh, now we have to say sex worker.
01:32:20
Oh, now we can't say prostitute. But if you think about it in that way, that the more people get trained to think of these victims as human fucking beings whose murders need to get solved, not only 100% for the fact that their lives mattered, but also because there is a fucking lunatic killing them, targeting them and killing them.
01:32:41
Like, just the concept has to change so that these creeps can get caught. It doesn't come with the job that you might get killed.
01:32:49
There are murderers who take advantage of people who are, you know, one would say the most fucking vulnerable.
01:32:55
Yes. And and and know that nobody cares as a society. We're trained not to give a shit because of words like prostitute and hooker and not saying sex worker and not saying fucking victim.
01:33:06
Right. Yeah. Oh, we know everything. Murderinos are on the fucking up and up. They really are.
01:33:12
And things are absolutely changing quicker than we could know. Definitely. Yeah.
01:33:16
So she comes back to work. Detective Lopez comes back to work on a contract basis to investigate the murders, partly because they realize how close her relationships are with the victims' families, who are so thankful that she's, you know, cared so much and kept in touch with them.
01:33:32
And, you know, she's like Aaron Brockovich. She's Aaron fucking Brockovich. Yeah.
01:33:36
They understand. She understands them. And just to end about the victims and how they are deemed less important by society due to their lifestyles in this 2020 episode to our friend David Mankiewicz.
01:33:50
You old so and so. Ida Lopez says their soul is no different than mine and they're not any less important to God.
01:33:58
Hell yes, Ida. Ida. So that's the fucking Westmates of Bone Collector. Unbelievable.
01:34:06
Yeah. I also just thought of this, too. A couple people have tweeted at us about this.
01:34:11
Also, Dave Anthony of the dollop also tweeted at me about this. Trump recently, and this is going to go under the fucking carpet rug because our democracy is imploding.
01:34:31
And so there's lots of other things that keep becoming more important. But recently Trump passed a law that is incredibly dangerous for sex workers saying that they cannot advertise online.
01:34:44
Oh, right. And the back page. They can't back page it. They can't do. There's a name for this.
01:34:49
Everybody should look it up. But it is we've we've been I was contacted or like tweeted out by a couple of people talking about how bringing this law and needing to overturn this law is really important.
01:35:01
Because basically, if sex workers can't ensure their own safety by knowing that the people that they're doing business with, knowing their names, getting credit card numbers, doing all that stuff.
01:35:12
Even a phone number, tracing their phone number. Exactly. It forces them back onto the street.
01:35:17
Right. And it puts everybody in a fucking huge danger. And he Trump called it. It's the allow states and victims to fight online sex trafficking act, FOSTA, F-O-S-T-A.
01:35:32
And it says it aims to fight sex trafficking by reducing legal protections for what for online platforms.
01:35:40
And it got passed by an overwhelming majority. but privacy and civil liberty advocates say it's a fatally flawed bill that hurts small online communities
01:35:50
and sex workers say it's going to make them less safe because they have to go offline.
01:35:55
Listen to the sex workers. They'll tell you what is right. So the irony of that man passing a bill like this and pretending that he gives a single shit about sex trafficking and sex workers and women in this kind of community, just please.
01:36:13
And we're not talking about sex trafficking. That is a whole different issue that we 100% know is a big problem.
01:36:19
It needs to be addressed. Everything we talk about has ripples and rings of bigger issues.
01:36:26
But I didn't want since we're basically exactly talking about this. I don't want to talk about this, first of all, because I hate when we talk about things and I only know half about it.
01:36:36
But I think it's important to mention this now where this is a concern of yours in any way.
01:36:41
You should absolutely look up FOSTA, the FOSTA bill and do what you can to fight against it because it's incredibly dangerous.
01:36:49
That's great. I'm glad you did that. Thank you. Yeah. And thanks, Dave Anthony, because he of course, he texted it, texted to me about it at like eight in the morning where I was just like, Dave, I'm so glad you're on the front lines for us.
01:37:01
He should go to he did not go to bed the night before. He's just he's up writing a new doll up about, you know, that's right.
01:37:10
Yeah. And that was that's the cue. Elvis's meow is the cue to go into fucking hooray.
01:37:17
Fucking hooray. That was Elvis's small hooray. that's just it's like a doorbell now oh it's time Elvis Elvis is like shut up oh the hooray
01:37:27
cats here the hooray cats here um so we we both have a light-hearted dumb one and then
01:37:32
I have a sweet one okay that actually has to do with Elvis okay so you want to go first sure my
01:37:38
um hoorays for this week one is it's um I it was very difficult week in lots of different ways
01:37:47
And I was spending a lot of time in the morning between like 7 a.m. and 9 a.m. rattled with anxiety, stress and rage.
01:37:57
We've got a lot going on right now. So one of the mornings I'd had dinner with Lizzie Cooperman,
01:38:05
who was talking about the meditation classes that she's taking and how much she loves it.
01:38:11
She's so spiritual. She's very spiritually. She's universally tapped in. Okay, that's enough.
01:38:16
And I was what so she put it in my head. I'd taken classes about it and stuff. But then so I was watching the show Ancient Aliens, which is one of my faves.
01:38:27
And it was talking about how meditation allows your subconscious brain to access the Akashic
01:38:33
record, which is everything that's ever happened in humanity ever. And when you can tap into that, you can tap into creativity.
01:38:41
And that's how they were talking about spontaneous ideas, how like Alexander Graham Bell submitted
01:38:45
submitted the patent for the telephone and the same day someone else submitted the exact same
01:38:49
patent and there's all the they have all the you have to watch this episode of what's it called i
01:38:54
want to watch it so bad um it might be called spontaneous inner inventions or something like
01:38:59
that but it basically the theory their theory ancient uh ancient astronaut theorists suggest
01:39:05
that that when you uh rest your brain and let your subconscious and they showed a guy in an mri doing this when your brain rests and you go blank your unconscious becomes alive and starts actually like doing stuff
01:39:22
And because we're fucking AI, we have all the history already downloaded. We just don't ever tap into it.
01:39:28
Like it's already all there. Yes. I've got the biggest fucking conspiracy theory boner right now.
01:39:32
Yeah. Also, they showed people who got head injuries. And then when they came out of the hospital, like one guy became a concert pianist.
01:39:39
He'd never taken a lesson. there was a guy who could who could immediately draw these insane he saw mathematical equations
01:39:47
equations everywhere and could see whatever what like the diameter was everything it's so crazy so
01:39:53
anyway because of all those things yeah I started meditating yeah and I've only done it for two days
01:39:58
but it's really great and I've been using an app called the insight timer I'm downloading it it
01:40:03
you can I've only I've done two 10 minute meditations I normally go super crazy about
01:40:09
minute four and I have to get up and walk away. But there, if you start with guided meditation,
01:40:14
yeah, I have to do guided. I'm just bananas. Then you, you're listening and that's the focus.
01:40:18
You don't have to sit there going, stop talking to yourself and all that shit that makes you crazy.
01:40:22
And you can kind of dip into it. And they have guided meditations about everything,
01:40:28
like a million things, guys with British accents. Anyway, so the insight timer is awesome.
01:40:34
That's what I did this morning. That's awesome. It was really good. But But the other thing that's the second piece to that in my relaxation, I found this show and I'd already heard of it called it's a British series from I think the late 90s or maybe the 2000s called The Royal Family, R-O-Y-A-L-E.
01:40:54
And it is a sitcom from England just about this plain old family. I can't remember where they live.
01:41:02
They don't really talk about it that much. But it's like a half hour play. and it is really basic and it's very quiet and it's very real and it's like it's a big old high
01:41:14
backed couch and then the dad's chair pulled up real close to the tv so the entire thing takes
01:41:20
place while the family watches shut up together and it is so funny and the reason i brought up
01:41:24
the tea lunch thing is because the mom whoever comes into the house sits down on the couch and
01:41:29
starts watching tv with them and then she'll go did you have your tea and then they'll go yeah
01:41:35
And then she'll go, what'd you have? And then they'll describe what they had. So like people are having like corned beef hash and all these things that you think it's lunch.
01:41:43
What's fucking tea? It must be lunch. I think it's okay. I think it's like the brunch.
01:41:48
I think it's brunch, but between dinner, lunch and dinner. It's second lunch. Uh-huh.
01:41:52
Maybe. Let's find out. Okay. But we will find out. Oh, we will. But if you, here's why I love the show.
01:41:57
As opposed to murder, we know we need to take a break sometimes. Also sometimes.
01:42:02
Oh, wait, I'm wrong. I'm sorry. They have tea and then they go, what do you have for pudding?
01:42:07
That's right. Pudding's dessert. Yes. That's right. Okay. They talk about that on here.
01:42:11
Because she said, who wants pudding one time? And then she served up a fruit cocktail.
01:42:16
And I was like, what is happening? But anyway, if you want to relax, if you're like a, what do you call it?
01:42:24
A Britophile. High strong. Oh, yeah. An Anglophile. Anglophile. It like you went and sat in a living room with this family and they hilarious and they super mean the youngest son they keep making him get up and make tea or like they like
01:42:38
Anthony go get the thing and he's always mad he's like a teenager it's it's just a very realistic
01:42:44
family dynamic and it's very quiet everyone talks very quietly so it's really relaxing
01:42:49
it's called the royal family and it's on Netflix I love it I'm gonna do that I'm gonna do both
01:42:54
those things okay um give it a try and then we'll meet back here and talk about it let's have let's
01:42:59
just change this podcast so what'd you have for tea oh my god court me every day also just the way
01:43:05
she asked the question is that great actress you've seen this british actress in a million
01:43:09
things she's so fucking good in this part but it is that thing where it's like that's what my
01:43:14
family's like i think they like to know too i think that they always ask you what you had for
01:43:19
tea yeah they want to know what what it's like saying what have you been doing but being real
01:43:22
specific and then being like oh i had this i that pork chop sounds good like it's so funny and real
01:43:28
i love it tell us what you had for tea everyone tell us what you had for when you find out what
01:43:32
it is my boring one my ding dong one you know i fucking hate movies and i'm just like the biggest
01:43:38
critic and i hate everything yeah i had found so much joy vince and i watched it together and he
01:43:43
also doesn't not as bad as me but isn't a movie guy right jumanji was so enjoyable and you told
01:43:50
we talked about it so it's fine like okay i'll watch it fine what a little joy of a movie oh my
01:43:56
god i laughed so hard i cried it was so fun the rock is just an angel baby lovely girl in it it
01:44:02
was so i want her fucking hair she was such a badass karen her name is karen something and she
01:44:08
was a star on like one of the more recent doctor who series that's right and red hair karen all of
01:44:13
them everyone was just the best i love it jack black playing a teenage girl that's right oh i
01:44:18
think we you mentioned it last episode did i and i was like did you text him and tell him how great
01:44:23
he was and you were like no we're not that kind of friend he's a wife but you agree he was great
01:44:29
it's so good it's really uh enjoyable as someone who hates everything it made me really happy it
01:44:35
makes me like it more when i don't hate it because i fucking hate everything the shape of water what
01:44:40
are you talking about that was the most atrocious weird fucking bestiality movie i've ever seen
01:44:46
My thing was, and my friend, the most hilarious comedian, Naomi Ekpergen, she goes, so she just falls in love with him automatically.
01:44:57
What's the backstory? Is he from a river? Like she started and she wasn't trying to be funny.
01:45:03
She was so pissed off. He also didn't hit on her. He like moved her her tank top sleeve, which she doesn't understand what that is.
01:45:11
Yeah. And then she fucking takes advantage of him. I thought it was a little bit.
01:45:14
I just was really upset. It's like so many rom-coms where it's like, you don't know why they like each other.
01:45:20
So why is this the great love of all time? So why do I care? Oh, I did like Lady Bird.
01:45:25
Actually, I should go ahead and say that, too. I thought that was a really, really good movie.
01:45:28
So good. The sweet thing. I'm going to leave you all on a sad happy note. Okay. There's someone in the My Favorite Murder Facebook, which is now, you can now go to the,
01:45:40
we have a fan cult on myfavoritemurder.com. You can join our fan cult. There forums and shit you can talk about stuff Her name Amy I don think she wants me to say her last name so i don want to okay her name amy and she wrote this uh last week i drive my daughter three and a half to four
01:45:57
hours twice a week to speech therapy most of my commute is accompanied by georgia and karen oh no
01:46:03
as the minisode ended today my three-year-old yelled from the back seat elvis i love him he's
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my Elvis Elvis. Yeah. Okay, good. Cause you were looking at me. Definitely a heartfelt moment.
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We thought talking might never come with her disorder, but even sweeter that she loves Elvis.
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Oh my. So she doesn't speak and she yelled that. Okay. Sorry. I was confused because I,
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I pictured that, uh, that the speech therapy child would be older. Like for some reason,
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And I cast her as a, as a, like a 10 year old. Nope. So when you said the three year old, then I was like, so it's an unspeaking.
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We thought talking might never come with her disorder. Oh my God. Even sweeter that she loves Elvis.
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And then the emoji cat with hearts in its eyes. And she yelled about it. Do it. Do you know how much I love this cat?
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Like, yes, I know actually exactly how much you love that cat. So knowing that means like so much like that.
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It's Elvis makes me so happy. Well, now you know there's a three-year-old that loves your cat as much as you, too.
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He loves you, too, sweetie. Ow. He is a good boy. He's such a good boy. He knows it.
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He's like, I'm having a certain feeling. I can tell something's about to happen.
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He fucking knows when we've blathered on too long. Yeah, he's like, we're now at the seven-hour mark.
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Cut it, ladies. Well, thanks, you guys, for listening this week. Thank you for listening.
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If you listen, you guys are the best. Look. Look and listen. We love you. Thank you.
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