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Hello and welcome to My Favorite Murder. your true crime podcast for when you're feeling spicy or sultry or salty or uh you know synonymous
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with sexual feelings feelings it had to be an s let's go over let's take it straight into the
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gutter at the top so we can come back out and go to heaven at the end this is like you know how
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Cosmo will have like the sex episode. Oh, and it's the thickest magazine you've ever seen filled with garbage.
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This isn't that. I used to like the Cosmo pullout, um, bedside astrologer where you could pretend that you
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could read a little, uh, waste of paper pamphlet about your sign. And that was going to tell you what kind of dudes you're going to have sex with in the
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following year. and I remember reading it like I had to read it and I felt like it would be that it was somehow
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like a vision board yeah like if I focus on this enough this might happen to me where it's like
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what does it mean someone I already I've already met my Mr. Ray exactly like who could it be I
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wonder if it is that guy scan your brain for every single person you've met let's I'm gonna read you
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your sex horoscope right now really all right let's hear it sure we can always edit it out I
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I feel like this. Okay, let's just say up top for all those people that drive around with their kids listening
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because they think it's kind of funny. This is going to be our triple X rated show today.
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It's summertime. It's hot outside. Okay, monthly sex scope for Taurus. You ready for this?
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Taurus woman? Karen, this is for June of 2018. So you better get on this because it's halfway over.
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I'm not going to. Okay. Okay. Seduction blossoms on hot summer nights, Karen. Really?
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It says your name in it. It's weird. Beginning as early as the first week in June.
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Is that true? That's my private business. Okay. That's when a grand water trine.
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A water truck? Followed closely by a quarter moon on June 6th. What? Could ignite a long, sexy, and overdue discussion.
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No! Yes, it says that. I swear to God. I don't want to have a discussion. You approach a confused.
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Let's get to now. a cranky Mars retrograde starting on June 26 contributes to the relationship altercations
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that arise Karen it's not you being a fucking crazy bitch it's fucking Mars it's this Mars trying that I can't get away from
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it's not that you ate you didn't have enough protein and you screamed at him about his fucking car
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being disgusting it's not that I went through his phone when he was in the bathroom
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at all it's Mars for fuck's sake it's Mars a full moon in Capricorn blah blah blah Neptune is in here Saturn is in here to the moon and
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wildly painting the whole day in rose-colored hues today it's difficult to decipher whether
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it's real love or just old-fashioned lust so there you go well it's not always the way I mean
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I mean it's not the great human puzzle is this person that you're hitting up at 1 34 a.m. trying
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to swing by their house. Is that love? Is that what lovers do? How can one know other than reading
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their daily sex horoscope? One would never know. Or their private texts. Or their private texts.
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I love the idea. It's not like I'm not the kind of person that wouldn't read people's private texts.
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I'm 100% for it. I just want to go ahead and say. Are you for it? 100%. Getting up into people's
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business like that? Like, read, read your person's shit. Okay, but here's what I find this addendum.
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If you're going to be so brave and strong as to bust in and read your person's shit,
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when you find out shit that destroys your heart and life and soul, you don't get to say anything
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because you fucking did it. You did it to yourself? Yes, you do. Why are they? Why are they doing
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shit that's going to destroy your heart, life and soul? And at least you got you found out about it
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before they kept doing it. Yeah but you don have a leg to stand on once you have been the crazy person that reads private information So you find out they cheating on you You shouldn have read their texts
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Well, if there's like, I'm saying, the thing I've made up in my mind is you're doing this cold.
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You're having a great relationship and you're like, oh, we just went to the bathroom.
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I'm just going to poke around. Okay. But what do you find? recently then you find what i'm saying is if you find something bad in that you have to know going
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in that's a that's a more than 50 possibility i is this a relationship podcast now i don't know
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if it is it's the worst right i guess i'm just saying i don't think so because i think everyone's
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a liar though everyone lies you can't if you get you have to go and know when you're going to find
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something you're not happy with yeah but know that like at what point you know you can be you
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can tell them i don't know clearly i fucking have read vince's text and shit i didn't like we all
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have was like what's up i read your fucking text but i mean isn't there something that in whatever
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the argument then becomes because all arguments become here's my list of everything i've done
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right versus here's the list of you everything you've done right or wrong whatever right i'm
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thinking of like cheating i feel like it kicks the legs out from under you where then he's like
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well yeah because you're this crazy bitch that's why i cheat on you oh no i'm just saying
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well you wouldn't want to date a person that would say something like that anyway but i'm
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just saying i feel like the move itself is is such a big move as someone who has a lot of paranoia
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and anxiety about relationships and i and being played a fool i just want to make sure that the
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person that they're portraying themselves as is correct. So if I do a fucking quick scroll of your
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ex-girlfriend's name and your Gmail, and nothing comes up, I'll put the phone away. Great. But like,
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do you think due diligence? I think your due diligence is good. Like, at any point in a
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relationship, an ex would have looked at my phone and been like, and looked for something,
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he wouldn't have found anything. True. Because I wouldn't do anything to compromise my integrity.
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but that's a good flip because if you do that if a guy did that to you he would be a weird
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controlling monster no i'd just be like are you not like are you am i doing is there something in
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a relationship that makes you think that something's not right because let's just fucking talk
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about it got it but if you say that but then why no like i could you know then it was it'd be like
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so you're saying your searching isn't random or just for fun it's because you have your
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suspicions or something came up right got it I was I was more talking about I was actually thinking
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of the time that I was in my friend uh my grammar school friend Connie's room and I found her diary
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I was like laying weird on her bed and I looked and her diary was there so I just pulled it out
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and started reading it and she walked in we were never friends again she walked in and was like
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that's my diary and then I was like oh well I it's just here I wanted to read it I want to know what
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your private thoughts are and then i just was like oh yeah that's the kind of thing i've or like
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i've uh one time i opened a family friend's nightstand because the adults weren't home
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never do that and yeah what'd you find i found proof of people having an affair and i was like i was 10 jesus and it was i couldn't tell anybody what was the proof
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pictures yeah you saw naked pictures they weren't naked no it was just it was more actually romantic
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but I didn't I told my sister like two years ago it was that big of a like I went like oh shit and
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then I was like why do I do shit like this I don't want to know this well I think it's different with
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your friends and family than with your like the person you're like planning to spend their life
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with you know no that's true well you're now very specifically thinking of like I'm not attacking
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you for you you whatever happened it feels like it can I look at your phone and make sure you're
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not attacking me I feel like I'm being attacked right now I just think you can really open up a
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worms that you never like you think you know what you're gonna find and then you fucking are like
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wait a second he ships human beings across state lines and you're like uh i have to yeah go into
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hiding i agree this has been the zodiac sex calendar let's talk about the staircase because
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everyone wants to oh my god staircase that's i mean twitter i'm gonna say this okay i never don't
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like the obscure ones that are like randos where they're like hold on somebody just said did you
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see the fear of 13 which is a documentary i love that yeah where it's i love when it's random yeah
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because i don't really follow the like you know dateline specials and the abc specials and stuff
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like that so those ones i like also what i love is when josh mcwitz retweets like this is going to
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be a good episode for for dateline i follow him on twitter he retweets the best shit he's great
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he's so funny like he's someone i want to hang out with in real life they he has that hilarious
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thing where the i think it's the nbc stories like they haven't they're not carrying the dateline
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products and he was like pretending to be mad they don't carry his cutout oh my god he's so
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delightful yes we should have him hang out with us we should we should make him force him um okay
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but the staircase did have some extra episodes that were new okay that i haven't watched because
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first of all it's not it's made by the same people who made what seems to me a very fucking
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bias documentary so i'm not going to find anything earth shattering and new but again when it's from
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the same people yeah but then again maybe it will convince me that maybe he's innocent so
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i should watch it just as due diligence i feel like uh my thing is yeah we've we've kind of been
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submerged submerged is such a weird word but we've been in that documentary and in that story
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for a long time if you haven't by the way episode 100 our 100th episode we just that's the only
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murder we discuss and i on adderall and i apologize i can now admit how many episodes out are we 15 115 125 so So 25 episodes out Karen I just I are you okay Karen hyperventilating
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Oh, shit. I just didn't. She broke her mic, ladies and gentlemen. I just want to say, I get really, I get really passionate and I interrupt Karen for the whole
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thing. I had a lot of shame afterwards. You did. I felt bad for you afterwards because you, you.
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Shamey. And I just want to say, don't do drugs. I have ADD I'm prescribed Adderall
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but after that I went back to my psychiatrist and was like it's not working for me anymore
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she gave me something else but that was also that combination of us being crazy excited
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and breaking format which isn't an easy thing to do sharing a murder and then you and I didn't agree
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which was like that was the perfect example of what I'm normally like when I have a conversation
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about true crime with someone right is i yell at them sure they don't believe me and i love you know i love yelling yeah but
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i'm sorry because that made me laugh so hard just because i first of all i love that you just said
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that and you were that honest and secondly i love i feel like we just have different um
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you know like i say like when something happens to me i won't be able to talk about this for four
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days because i can't process i don't know what happens real time i have to wait for later like
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oh shit yeah and i think you're yours is three months you're just like can i don't want to i
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don't want to write this second but like i'll be able to go thereafter because i want to make up for
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it before i uh admit that it was you know i want to prove that that's not gonna like episode three
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if or 103 if i had said that it would have been like you need to go take care of that and it's
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like let me take care of this sure you know what i mean yes it's you're saying i admit i did this
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and it's no longer a problem i need to rectify it yeah exactly you don't need to have an intervention
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with me i cleaned up my own mess please don't worry about it i love it you know what full respect
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to that honesty but i'll always talk about my fit my failings and faults because what else is there
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to talk about it's the most interesting thing to talk about uh also i think the thing with adderall
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well my thing is just i don't understand the adderall high specifically but having been a
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speed addict right i recognize the intensity intensity and i don't mind it i love it because
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but but the only thing with that was it started to feel like a facts argument which is my least
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favorite part about true crime obsession is you know the thing i get the worst wrong which is like
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i'm not paying attention to the dates the seasons the months the years i'm going they had a knife
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in their fucking eye or whatever horrible like i'm obsessed on the detail experience experiential
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detail as opposed to, you know, I'm not a cop. I'm not reporting it. For me, and what upset me, and it probably still would, but I just wouldn't scream at you about it,
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is that the conclusion that was kind of like, to me, it's like, we watched the same thing. How did
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you not come to this conclusion? You're my friend. Like, and it's just like, but I need to let people
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have opinions. And also, what I was saying wasn't necessarily like my, like, in my heart opinion. I
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I was like, yeah, but what if this? Yeah. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
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I apologize for that. Thank you, Georgia. So go listen to episode 100. The Staircase.
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And then in episode 200, this time Karen will be on Adderall. Can I? Just for the show.
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Just for an example. I love it. I mean, I had a friend tell me when, right as my speed era ended and I stopped doing it.
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She was like, oh yeah, I don't think you noticed, but I was not friends with you for two years.
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I could not be around you. I was like, I didn't notice. You didn't notice? I didn't notice anything.
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I was talking and smoking like all day. I slept for two hours a night. Jesus. It was rough stuff.
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And it's not fun to talk or for the experience of being around me is the only interaction can be, did you see this thing?
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I hated it. You're wrong. Whatever you say is wrong. You could hate it and just be hating it wrong.
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I couldn't let anybody off the hook for anything. People drive me crazy who do that when you're like agreeing with them and they don't.
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Yeah, whatever. Okay. Because you know what it is? That habit when people go, no, but, and they're not listening to the point you're making.
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They just need to possess their opinion independently of it. It's like you could never understand what their opinion is.
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It's like they're closer to it than you are. Yeah, yeah. Fine. Good. Get it all the way up in there.
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I don't need it. God bless you for it. God bless you. My cats don't talk back. That's why we have pets.
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That's why we have pets. And drugs. coffee well wait i wanted to ask steven this is you're not in the middle of something are you
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are we in the middle of something always no wait was i no no oh we're just staircase we're just
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explaining why we're not jumping on this staircase bandwagon but we love i didn't mean to be so harsh
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in the beginning we love that people are this excited totally it's super fucking cool we'll by
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next week we'll watch we'll have watched the new ones by next week we'll book club the staircase
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series we'll have uh browse the new ones i should have said we'll browse them we'll get mad at
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certain people we'll be able to talk about i'll do my nails my nails will look great i'm gonna wear
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a tweed suit i'll dress like a north carolina lawyer an owl oh i will wear a full owl suit
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what if we dress elvis up as an owl oh my god yeah steven start this costume now steven sew it
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Steven, you just got back from Europe because you tell the people what you did in Europe.
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Well, I never thought I would do this in my life, but I flew. You didn't because I was not surprised in any fucking way when you told me.
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I mean, I just never thought I would be somebody to basically, I really wanted to see the new Jurassic Park movie early.
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Of course. You have a podcast about Jurassic Park. Have you ever said that on this podcast?
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I don't think so. Please do. See Jurassic, right? Everyone just shares their Jurassic Park stories I love it It my favorite movie and um and you have 15 podcasts yes they all about a different animal yeah oh one animal all the time but um no I just like the idea of like traveling to go see something I like I totally and so I made
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because it came out early because of the world cup so they're like universal was like we don't
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want to compete with the world cup because people aren't people aren't going to go to the movies
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so yeah I flew to London to see the Jurassic uh Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom early so and that's
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part that's number three part well it's the fifth jurassic park in the second jurassic world okay
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no okay but it's good right i loved it yeah yeah i've seen it three times now i said to someone i
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don't have to have watched the last two to see this new one as if i'm like yeah did i yeah yeah
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yeah i mean i think you'll have a good time either way it reminded me of like pan's labyrinth
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you don't need to know shit to watch that even come on pan's labyrinth was great yeah it reminded
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of like Pan's Labyrinth. It has more of like a gothic fairy tale vibe. Oh, that's great.
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Did you meet a lot of cool people there? Yeah, it was like there were some other people
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that flew out and I saw it with my friend Katie and then I saw it with my friends
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Tom and this guy Clayton. Really nice guy. Twice, I love it. But I was going to say
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when you're saying think of London stories, well, the funniest part about the whole thing
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was I made this plan like two months ahead to go see it and then the day before I leave
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somebody was like, hey, do you want to see it in LA? There's an early press screening.
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I was like, okay. You couldn't say no because that's like fancy. Yeah. Well, I was like,
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yes, it's important. Well, I was like, oh, I'm sorry. I have tickets to see it in London.
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I don't want to see it in that. Like, yeah, never, never. But I mean, I still had a great time.
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I love like, I just drank a lot of beer, saw museums. Because also, what if your plane had crashed
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on the way to London and you never got to see Jurassic World? That's true. Never wait.
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I didn't think about that. Never wait to see a wonderful film with dinosaurs. That's awesome.
00:19:46
Welcome home. Yeah, thank you. Do you feel jet lagged? Yeah, I'm like all over the map,
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but it's fine. That's the best. Yeah, yeah. Take an Adderall. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Take an Adderall
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and fight with people about T-Rexes. Well, we'll just take different drugs and see how
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like different experiments. I think it's a great idea. All right. Well, welcome home, Stephen.
00:20:05
Yes, we're glad you're here and we're glad you... It's a good idea to make your own fun
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like that and like if it's important to you, it's important so you fucking fly wherever you want
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to go see a movie that you like. You saw Jurassic, right? Yeah. Get it? Never mind.
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Cut that out. don't cut that out wait what is it i don't see the podcast his podcast called see jurassic right
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right so he went and saw jurassic right correctly oh correctly got it it's a mountain goat song by
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the way it's a reference to yeah see america right oh see jurassic right yeah wow that's deep i always
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i was always like i guess i don't care enough about jurassic park to understand what the title
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of steven's podcast means i never even thought twice about it because there's so many weird
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podcast names and it's just like uh-huh sure we'll find out later yeah all right let's uh
00:20:53
ladies and gentlemen do you have anything else yes just this one okay um from our live show in
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salt lake city when i talked about the salt lake city library shooter and uh talked very
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thoroughly about the true crime show that i saw um about the case and i talked very much about the
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reenactor michael b woods absolutely played the shooter and was great yeah um somebody uh sent us
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a message saying that michael b woods won just a couple nights ago he won a chicago theater award
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called the jeff award oh my god jeff for which is the funniest name of all time it's just like a
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picture of a guy or a like a sculpture of a guy in dockers what thumbs up thumbs up like jeff's
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super supportive of your acting the trophy is a beer koozie the photo of jeff on it that's
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So it's a very prestigious theater award. I'm sure everyone's like, fuck you, girls.
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It's important. Yeah, fuck my humongous. Well, here's the thing, though. The Chicago theater scene is humongous.
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Yeah. It's like on par with New York. It's or, you know, obviously trying to compete with that.
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There's tons of great acting, obviously Steppenwolf. And there's so much good theater in Chicago that this is is it doesn't matter what the award is.
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Because the idea that he got picked as best principal performer is the... In a reenactment?
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Award. No. He played fucking Cyrano. Holy shit. And that's what he won the award.
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De Berge. Good for him. No, it's Cyrano Rosenfeld. It's this play about... I love watching our little rising stars that we randomly pick out in the podcast.
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I know. And thank God we're picking... We are picking stars. We're hit makers. We're like Michael B. Woods.
00:22:33
We're seeing... What about Cameron from fucking Mindhunter? Yes. having a great year he's blowing up he's gonna be in the next jurassic park movie
00:22:42
that's a lie steven don't get excited well is this over is this podcast over oh you know what
00:22:51
we have to talk about huh uh that we did that podcast the movie podcast movie crush so chuck
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who you guys know from stuff you should know who's a fucking really awesome nice dude yeah
00:23:03
He has a legendary podcast, the network, everything. He had us as guests on his movie podcast called Movie Crush.
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And the movie he picked for us to talk about. Yes. Was fucking Silence of the Lambs.
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It's the best because it's like it's basically this podcast is like they just you take the one movie that the people love, whoever the guests are.
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And then you just like go over and over and over. I could have done that for fucking hours.
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I had so many questions for you guys, too, because I thought, you know, I mean, it went on.
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there were things that came out that we were like, oh, wait, who was that? Like not realizing that I kind of didn't know something where I'm like, oh,
00:23:40
that movie is so good. Cause you pick up new things every time you watch it. I rewatched it when I got home that night.
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It's just incredible. It was so good. Only I'm really mad at myself because on the episode,
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when we were talking about the autopsy scene and she talks about the nails, I said that Clary Starling says it looks like city to me.
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And the fucking line is it looks like town to me. Oh, The word is town. It's such a better word.
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I was so mad I misquoted it. It sounded good still. I just like to. Yeah. So go watch that.
00:24:08
It's called Movie Crush. I mean, listen to it. It's a podcast. Listen to it. Goodbye.
00:24:13
It's a podcast and it's out tomorrow, right? Yeah. So Friday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm first, right?
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Goodbye. Can you hear the crow calling? Toss salad and scrambled eggs. Okay, so this is a really fun combo case where it started with a listener named Kate Butler who tweeted at us.
00:27:12
I wouldn't have said her last name except for it's in her Twitter handle. Okay. So she must not give a shit.
00:27:19
And Kate wrote, hey, you guys should do the Appalachian Trail Killer. Oh. And then it like rattled around in my head.
00:27:26
And I was like, something went dang. Like, that's a good one that I've definitely heard of before.
00:27:30
Yeah. Like a reminder. And read about. Yeah. So, but then I was like, as my, as the days progressed, I was like, I don't feel like
00:27:39
doing any work. because I have the I've like real summertime fever right now or like that's what your sex horoscope
00:27:46
said about it too that's actually you actually have a VD it's like yeah exactly see a doctor
00:27:53
your summertime fever is called gonorrhea um no but I just don't can't sit like you know we've been
00:28:02
we've been sitting and writing and working on a bunch of shit for so consistently long I can't
00:28:07
can't sit in that chair anymore yeah so I was like that chair I love it there's a work chair
00:28:10
that's all you do there's a whole part of the table I avoid when I'm procrastinating which is
00:28:15
always um and I remembered so I was like I'm doing it I survived this week and I was just trying to
00:28:22
sit and think of like when I think of that title which my favorite ones which ones ding up in my
00:28:27
head and there's one that I've always loved and you know how we always joked it on I survived it's
00:28:32
always two women who tell you the most harrowing like uh rape and attempted murder story that they
00:28:39
survived it's so incredible and then there's a guy that's like i tipped my snowmobile over
00:28:43
and thought i was never gonna get back up and you're like i'm gonna fucking kill you yeah yeah
00:28:47
um and then it it dinged into my head that is not always the case okay and there is one episode that
00:28:55
i've always loved and the two guys that tell their survival story are straight out of fucking central
00:29:00
casting because it takes place on the appalachian in the appalachian mountains and there are two
00:29:06
guys from virginia and one of them uh is oh and i'll so i'll say this this is an episode of i
00:29:15
survived starring sean and scott sean and scott sean and scott and um uh it's also i got additional
00:29:24
information um from an article that was from the washington post written by a writer named will
00:29:29
Haygood and the title of it is Lonely Dark and Deep and it was written on July 9th uh 2008 it's
00:29:35
a great great article about this event um so we'll just get into it let's do it so tell me everything
00:29:43
okay it's May 6th 2008 so 10 years ago what 10 years and a month ago basically oh my god
00:29:53
a decade ago also known as a decade ago do you know that 10 years is called a decade I didn know that no no no i didn know that um these are all kinds of word uh lessons that you can learn from
00:30:05
me if you pay attention okay so they um they're going on a fishing trip together to a place called
00:30:12
uh dismal creek virginia perfect go there you should absolutely fucking go there now you know
00:30:18
how we love uh i survived or i should say the thing i love the most about i survived is how
00:30:24
beautifully uh it's like they use b-roll sometimes in true crime shows as we all know the b-roll and
00:30:32
the voiceover can be the most salacious disgusting thing of all time where they just keep cutting to
00:30:37
like a half-naked woman screaming and it just goes on forever and you're like what the fuck are you
00:30:42
guys even doing with this that's why i survived just so good they the b-roll they use is it'll be
00:30:47
like july 6 2008 and then it's this gorgeous creek it's just where they were and they just
00:30:54
keep showing you film of now here's their campfire here's the campfire blown out here's where they're
00:31:00
camping so this area is gorgeous so it's almost like um like the like the screensaver a screensaver
00:31:06
exactly like showing you a mountainy things but meanwhile and it makes it so much scarier because
00:31:12
it's just putting you in that place but it's not filling you in with a bunch of drama showing you
00:31:16
blood dropping and all this bullshit exactly because that's how these horrible things happen
00:31:21
And as you're standing there looking at this beautiful lake, like these guys did.
00:31:24
No, ominous music starts playing. It's just not. And then, of course, the thing that is my very favorite thing where at the end, as they tell some horrible turn of like,
00:31:35
then I turned and looked down the hallway and there was a man standing there. When they cut to the next story, the transition sound is a man exhaling.
00:31:44
But it's very subtle. But if you watch it, you'll see it goes. Creepy. It's the creepiest noise.
00:31:50
What if they just heard that? Okay. It's so perfectly done. We're at fucking Downer Lake.
00:31:57
We're Debbie Downers, the mayor of this small city. It's Dismal Creek, Virginia.
00:32:02
They've got these two guys, Scott Johnston, who I went to high school, the guy named Scott
00:32:08
Johnston, and Sean Farmer. And they have been going to this area since they were little boys.
00:32:13
And a lot of it sounds like from the story I read and stuff that obviously it's the Appalachian
00:32:18
Mountains and it's this amazing wilderness. and people go there all the time. And obviously the Appalachian Trail starts a little bit north of where this area is and
00:32:28
goes, I didn't know, it goes all the way up to Maine. It's like basically West Virginia.
00:32:35
I'm just pointing to the ceiling. I don't know anything. It goes to popcorn ceiling?
00:32:39
Did you know that Maine is in the ceiling? I love it there. Okay. So these two guys, they're like, we're going to go fishing at Dismal Creek this weekend.
00:32:49
Scott gets there first. and he goes and fishes by himself and uh sean's gonna show up in the afternoon apparently i'm
00:32:58
filling this in a little bit i like to think that sean had an office job he could not get away
00:33:02
boss was a dick right whereas scott might be a woodworker and he makes shit on his own he's like
00:33:06
i can go up to dismal creek any fucking time i want totally so he's there fishing trout fishing
00:33:12
in the morning trout and catches a bunch of fish he's dry he's driving back to the campsite and
00:33:19
he sees this old guy come up an embankment from the creek or river area up to the road yes and
00:33:27
he's really gaunt and he's kind of scary looking but he's got like a new camouflage hunting jacket
00:33:33
on so he doesn't look like a uh as scott says in i survived he's like he doesn't look like a bum
00:33:40
but he's he has a he looks gaunt and like he hasn't eaten in a while and like he's been out
00:33:47
in the woods for a while and he has a dog with him that's so starving its stomach is bloated so
00:33:51
he stops the truck and he's about to say like hey what's going on are you okay whatever and the guy
00:33:57
comes over and amelia just starts talking about i've been trying to fish all morning there's no
00:34:00
fish in that creek and so scott's opens his i pictured it as a wicker basket i don't know what
00:34:07
it actually was he's fucking yogi bear you know like one of those fishing baskets you wear on your
00:34:13
hip um he opens up his wicker beautiful wicker basket with his initials engraved into the top
00:34:20
he fucking sewed himself yes he made himself he's a woodworker he's a woodworker that also
00:34:27
likes to work in reeds he'll dry out a reed and make a basket absolutely he's a man of the earth
00:34:33
yeah um okay so he uh opens the basket shows him he's like look at all this trout i caught
00:34:39
and then he gives the guy a couple because he feels bad for him um and uh the guy says thank
00:34:46
you and he seems happy and then he the guy asks are you guys staying nearby here and scott's like
00:34:51
oh yeah we're we're staying at that campsite right over there no uh-huh and the old man's like oh oh
00:34:56
i'm staying at the one that's just kind of right past it maybe i'll swing by and and like visit you
00:35:02
guys later and so scott's like sure come by real polite these are like beautiful southern boys that
00:35:08
are real polite and so he and then so scott goes um he stops to collect firewood so in the meantime
00:35:16
uh sean his friend that who's an office worker look he loves his job it means a lot to him to
00:35:22
be able to work for the government yeah don't know any of this um he actually i would say this
00:35:29
uh scott looks like he could be played by tim blake nelson who's that that actor that was in
00:35:35
Oh Brother Where Art Thou. Oh, yeah. That guy is exactly, it's that guy. Oh, I love him.
00:35:41
And then the Sean character I think should be played by our comedian friend, John Gemberling.
00:35:47
That's exactly what he looks like. He's got like a beard and a round face and real, real low key.
00:35:52
Okay. So Sean rolls up to the campsite and he sees there this old gaunt guy there and he a little bit weirded out he gets out of the truck and the gaunt guy is like oh i met scott earlier and he invited me to come by so immediately
00:36:07
sean's comfortable because he's like oh you know scott they already hung out everything's fine
00:36:11
so when scott comes back from collecting firewood he sees that his friend sean has showed up
00:36:17
and the gaunt man's there they're talking they built a fire chilled out everything's cool as
00:36:22
they all talk then scott's like well we're about to barb you know we're about to throw some hamburgers
00:36:27
on the grill and cook up these trout do you want to stay and eat dinner with us and the old guy's
00:36:31
like sure it sounds good and he said they wouldn't thought nothing of it totally normal older man but
00:36:36
he said he also said he looked a little bit like he he looked frail like he might be an alcoholic
00:36:41
or like a little sick somehow um but other than that he he commented on just how new the clothes
00:36:47
looked like his hunting boots were expensive. So he didn't, you know, he didn't think like this was
00:36:53
just some stranger straggler. So they eat dinner, everything's normal. And right as it starts to get
00:37:00
dark, it's like the sun has gone down and it's getting dark. Because the guy wasn't leaving and
00:37:07
they kept thinking, well, you're kind of an older guy and you have to get to your campsite. You'd
00:37:10
think you would leave when the sun was still up. But he doesn't. Finally, the guy stands up and he's
00:37:15
like all right then uh come on here we go to the dog and as he does that he walks behind both scott
00:37:22
and sean and in in i survived sean's the one that says it he's like then all of a sudden my head was
00:37:29
ringing uh-huh he hears a big boom and his his left ear is ringing like crazy and what's happened
00:37:36
is and from scott's perspective um the old straggler that they just gave a shit ton of trout
00:37:41
and hamburgers too just turned and walked over pulls out a 22 a tiny gun he said he didn't even
00:37:48
he couldn't see the gun he just saw the man extend his arm and shoot sean in the face what the fuck
00:37:54
right right here on the left side of his face cheekbone so yes so so you said you watch somebody
00:38:01
shoot your friend in the head yeah you think that person is dead yeah so scott jumps up and
00:38:07
fucking runs he immediately in his mind said he said that he immediately thought there's when he
00:38:12
set up the tent he remembered there being like this this um little embankment area behind it with
00:38:18
a cedar group of cedar trees or whatever he was like oh there's a place i can take shelter so he
00:38:22
just takes off in the dark into the woods and he doesn't know if the guy's chasing him he doesn't
00:38:28
know what's happening but and he doesn't know that the guy then shoots him in the back he doesn't
00:38:35
feel it and he doesn't realize it he the guy shot him actually in the nape of the neck oh my god so
00:38:43
what happens is when scott finally stops running and he's standing there trying to figure out what
00:38:48
happened and what if if sean's still alive or whatever he as his heart beats the bullet wound
00:38:55
is spurting six inches of blood as with every heartbeat behind him well like i think he was
00:39:01
making it seem like it was a little bit on the side but basically like the bullet came through
00:39:04
this way so with you know from what i put together so because he basically took his finger and stuck
00:39:11
it in the bullet hole to stop the blood flow oh my god so he's just holding his his right index
00:39:18
finger in his own neck to keep the blood from coming out yeah now meanwhile uh strangely and
00:39:25
miraculously sean gets shot in the head and isn't dead what he stands up and sean also is six foot
00:39:33
for 325 pounds holy crap so he's not i mean a man is holding a gun on him and stuff but he does
00:39:39
turn face the guy what the fuck's going on and they're about 10 feet away at this point the man
00:39:44
shoots him again in the chest he still doesn't go down oh my god how fucking terrifying so so when
00:39:51
the man so after he got shot in the chest that's when he the man turned away from him got distracted
00:39:57
shot Scott in the neck. Yeah. So that's when Sean runs over to his Jeep and jumps inside.
00:40:05
And his, of course, his driver's side window's down. No! Roll up your windows, everyone!
00:40:12
Like in movies? Well, especially when modern cars where you have to have the key in
00:40:17
to roll the window up or whatever. But like, remember old movies where you're trying to roll the window up
00:40:21
with the crank really fast while like a bad person's coming, their arm is coming through?
00:40:25
The window, yeah, that whole like window car scenario getting in the car when you're being chased.
00:40:29
That whole scenario drives me crazy. It's crazy making. And it's that thing where sometimes I try to practice it.
00:40:35
Like if I'm just letting myself into my front door, I'll be like, right now you have to do this in three seconds.
00:40:40
Someone's walking up and I can never fucking do it. I do that too because my new car,
00:40:45
like if you have the key on you and you walk to your car, it unlocks all the doors.
00:40:50
So I'll see how quickly I can lock. Well, I have to know by my brain where the locking mechanism ends.
00:40:56
so before even sitting down the doors are all locked in case someone's trying to get in on the
00:41:00
other side or following me yeah it's like not a very safe feature toyota toyota can we talk this
00:41:06
through because i feel like you need to think about garage underground garages paranoid women
00:41:11
paranoid women and i don't know just it would just be great to talk to you safety um okay so
00:41:17
okay sean jumps into the driver's seat fucking scrambling right scrambling for his keys whatever
00:41:22
the fucking gaunt man comes up over his hand goes into the driver's window sean literally
00:41:29
like blocks it with his hand and he hears the trigger pull and no shot the guy's run out of
00:41:37
ammunition he's already shot six times or however i shouldn't say that however many he's in a 22
00:41:42
which i certainly don't know probably oh yeah 22 tiny bullets a point 22 tiny bullets okay so
00:41:49
miraculously doesn go off so then he like he fucking takes off he in the car yes he guns it and does the thing where he leans down below the windshield and fucking drives away so the guy can shoot him again like he not up yeah which i fucking
00:42:08
love that's like straight out of a movie yeah so now over in the uh in the hauler where he took
00:42:15
cover uh scott is like watches his friend peel away and he immediately goes i'm i have like a
00:42:21
pretty critical wound here i have to get help and if i don't run to the road to meet him to like
00:42:28
basically cut off my friends i'm gonna get stuck up on this mountain yeah so he just starts fucking
00:42:33
taking off through the woods which is incredibly dense under brush and all that shit and it's dark
00:42:39
so he has to like beat his way with his finger in his neck every time when his heart rate goes
00:42:45
higher the fucking blood is gushing more well no it's not gushing with the finger in there right
00:42:50
so he's like that's a temporary solution oh my god so he and he fucking makes it he makes it to
00:42:57
the cutoff so when it's like a movie it's the crazy and it's also these two guys tell it you
00:43:03
know that thing where like and i won't say it's a say necessarily southern thing but like i know a
00:43:10
couple people who are from west virginia and it's kind of that thing where it's like everything's
00:43:15
real low key just the facts they're not like it's not like brooklyn where you're like hey this guy
00:43:20
came over here gestures and shit it's all like real sedate you can see these guys telling the
00:43:25
story over beers at a bar and they don't but they don't want to like over dramatize it and make
00:43:30
themselves seem like show-offs exactly they're the exact opposite of that where they're just like
00:43:35
yeah it was crazy yeah um it's the best but then yeah they're now in a mel gibson movie level insane
00:43:42
situation. So drives away without looking, gets down and the road to so you have to think about
00:43:50
the Appalachian Mountains, they're at a campsite. So they're not even near a road right now. They
00:43:56
have to get on a dirt road to drive down a couple miles to the main road that's actually paved.
00:44:03
Yeah. So so Sean comes around the corner in the Jeep. Scott's standing there covered in blood
00:44:10
and standing there he's like skids up scott jumps in and they gun it and in this part of i survived
00:44:18
scott goes and i mean you know i was just really worried because like i couldn't even believe he's
00:44:24
driving because he was shot in the head and it's like yeah yeah he probably shouldn't have been the
00:44:30
driver uh and the weird thing is then so they're going 40 miles an hour down a road they said that
00:44:37
they would normally drive 20 miles an hour down because not only is it dirt and really narrow
00:44:42
it's a mountain uh road where every turn has a drop off on the side like a 30 foot drop off
00:44:50
so they're gunning it down this mountain and at one point they um he scott has to tell sean to
00:44:59
break because they're going so fast on this turn because scott can't actually really see
00:45:04
that well he's losing his vision in his right eye oh my god and uh they they come around he's like
00:45:10
break break break and they skid out and they go up and they said they're the tire went six inch
00:45:16
they were six inches away from the edge of the embankment no but then they're like but you got
00:45:20
to go like straighten it out and so they did that the second time it happened this basically the same
00:45:26
thing where they took a turn way too fast they're there because they think because scott's truck
00:45:31
with the keys in it are back at the campsite so they're like the guy 100 got into that truck and
00:45:37
is chasing us yeah there's no way he's gonna let us get away so they're like we have to go top speed
00:45:42
also we have to go top speed because all of the blood is leaving both of our bodies at one time
00:45:47
into this jeep so the second time they do that they go up onto an embankment the day turn too
00:45:53
fast go up onto this embankment almost roll the jeep um like just barely don't roll the jeep
00:46:00
and uh and a bunch they kick up a bunch of rocks and break the windshield and so that's when uh
00:46:08
scott goes okay you work the gas and the brake and i'm going to steer because you can't fucking see
00:46:14
and you like i'll tell you when to gas and brake so we can get down this road oh because on that
00:46:19
second um spin out it was because uh sean had blacked out because he had a bullet in his
00:46:27
fucking head oh my god okay so they're like we have to get down this mountain road so you finally
00:46:35
get to the main road so it was like a mile or two on the dirt road then they get to the main road
00:46:41
the main road it's five miles and once they get down the mountain on the main road it's 40 miles
00:46:47
to a hospital no that's too far it's so far you guys don't go that far away from hospitals please
00:46:51
I mean, that's the thing about camping. Yeah. There was no cell service up there at all.
00:46:57
Sure. You can't use your phone on that mountain. So there was, it was, of course, like the worst thing that could happen when you're that far away.
00:47:04
Yeah. So they know they're on like a clock that where they're already in the red zone.
00:47:08
So they race down, they finally get to the main road and they race down. And when they get to the bottom, like, you know, to where there's actually houses, the first house they see, the lights are on.
00:47:19
And so Scott yells, stop the car. They're going to help us. And Sean, like almost blind, just stops the car in the middle of the road and puts it in park.
00:47:29
And Scott jumps out and runs to the he is. He has lost all the blood. He jumps out, runs, bangs on the door.
00:47:36
All right. Let me catch up to myself here. So I just want everyone listening to know that Karen is just telling the story.
00:47:42
She's not reading anything. And it's like really fun to watch. Well, because I've seen this one.
00:47:47
Yeah. the other stories in this episode of I Survived it's season 3 episode 7 and the other stories are
00:47:54
a really terrible but it's another one of those women that tells her rapes Bible story with this amazing look on her face and these bright eyes.
00:48:04
And it was a thing where they, she was in her twenties. They moved into an apartment and her father's like, I don't like that.
00:48:09
There's no bars on the window because you're on the first floor. I'm coming over tomorrow to put them in.
00:48:13
No. And that night. Yeah. And then this other story is this guy who got attacked by a bear and his dog, Ladybug,
00:48:21
helped save him. It's good girl. Season three, episode seven is like peak. I survived.
00:48:27
It's incredible. everybody survives okay so wait what spoiler alert spoiler alert what the edit that out steven
00:48:37
every single fucking person i don't think ladybug survives i shouldn't just drop that out there
00:48:44
because i'm not positive okay but i think it well now they have to watch yeah exactly you tell us
00:48:49
a fucking ladybug survive i don't think she does um so they the house that they stop in front of
00:48:56
This is my favorite is a woman named Melissa Miller and her 20 year old son, Randy, our home.
00:49:03
Thank fucking God. And of course, she sees someone banging on the door. Here's someone banging on the door as opposed to seeing it.
00:49:12
Then goes to the front door and looks out. It's two dudes covered in blood, a car covered in blood.
00:49:17
So she's like, I don't want to get involved in this. They got clearly got into a fight and blah, blah, blah.
00:49:22
then she looks out and recognizes sean no because her friend dated him a couple years ago yes so
00:49:28
she's like wait what happened what is this and then scott's like this guy just attacked us
00:49:32
you have to call 9-1-1 we need medical help immediately so melissa miller calls 9-1-1
00:49:37
and they have to wait 20 minutes no don't wait that long because they're so fucking far out
00:49:41
the middle of nowhere at one point they were waiting so long so they got sean out of the jeep
00:49:46
um she sat scott down on the porch sits sean down on the porch they start to get towels
00:49:51
they're holding pressure on all the wounds and just and giving them water and helping them
00:49:56
talking to them at one point scott has melissa call his mom because he's afraid it's the last
00:50:01
time he has a chance to talk to her and he tells his mom he's fine and don't worry it's so uh and
00:50:07
then so finally the cops come at one point melissa miller calls 911 back and goes where y'all at
00:50:13
where y'all at it's like we can't wait very much longer yeah um when the cops show up uh the cops
00:50:19
get there before the ambulance um and the cops ask scott for a description and as scott is describing
00:50:26
um the gaunt man that attacked them melissa miller's father and randy's grandfather lives
00:50:32
in the house he hears the description and he says to randy um he knows all about who this person is
00:50:40
because uh there was a man named randallie smith who lived in the nearby town of parisburg
00:50:46
but it's like the fruit pear not Paris Paris France but Parisburg and I'm probably pronouncing
00:50:52
it wrong good um he tells his grandson to run down to Trent's grocery store and go grab that
00:50:59
picture of Randall Lee Smith that had been up because Randall Lee Smith had disappeared from
00:51:03
Parisburg six weeks prior oh my god so there's a picture up of like have you seen this man yeah
00:51:08
so he's like go get that picture so Randy has to run down the store is closed but luckily it's some
00:51:14
tiny town where there he goes to the owner's house and is like we got an emergency open the store
00:51:19
grabs the picture runs back to the house and as scott is being loaded into the ambulance that's
00:51:25
finally there he holds up the picture and scott goes i am 100 sure that is the man that shot us
00:51:31
oh my god and it's this man randall lee smith and uh so they put out an apb for randall lee smith
00:51:38
uh when then two medevac helicopters land and uh they put what scott thinks that because
00:51:48
obviously sean's been shot in the head he's way worse off than him so he's so worried about him
00:51:53
but they get put in two separate um helicopters and when scott is in a helicopter he overhears
00:52:01
the emt or whoever the person working there like i don't think he's going to make it to the hospital
00:52:06
and then he hears her say um yeah he's he's lost too much blood i and i no longer have a pulse
00:52:14
and he realizes she's talking about him oh my god and he realizes he can't feel his body
00:52:19
so he's like oh i just i thought i was dead in the helicopter like i thought i was already dead
00:52:25
oh my god okay so meanwhile police uh uh oh oh by the way we might as well just skip to this part
00:52:35
well no we'll say this part so the police know about randall lee smith because in 1981
00:52:42
um he had befriended two uh hitchhikers on uh at the wapiti shelter um which was on uh in the in
00:52:54
the exact same area it was one mile away from the campsite where sean and scott were and um he uh
00:53:01
befriended them. Uh, they hung out exactly the same way where they had like shared, shared a
00:53:07
meal or whatever. And then, um, it did, it wasn't clear if he like slept in their campsite or if he
00:53:13
said goodbye, but he, in the middle of the night, um, there were two 27 year old social workers
00:53:21
and his name was Robert Mountford Jr. And her name was Susan Ramsey. And, um, he, he shot Robert
00:53:28
Mountford in the head. And then he and Susan Ramsey got into this fight where she fought him off.
00:53:34
And he ends up stabbing her over 12 times with a long nail. Oh, my God. It's just hideous and horrible.
00:53:44
Their bodies don't get found for weeks. Wow. So it took them a while to find him.
00:53:50
But he ends up getting arrested for these murders. He is convicted of secondary murder because they plea bargain And he ends up serving 15 years in jail For two innocent people murder Yeah 15 fucking years 15 years in jail
00:54:06
And then he gets paroled and he goes, he moves to Parisburg. He works odd jobs for about a decade, kind of kicks around.
00:54:14
I'm sorry. I'm still stuck on this. No, I know. And he then starts to run out of money and he just collects up his shit and goes up into
00:54:22
the mountains. and so that was six weeks before scott ran into him on that trail is when he disappeared from
00:54:31
perisburg and uh when those pictures went up of him of have you seen this man we don't know where
00:54:36
he is which also means that for six weeks he was fucking around in those mountains and no one knows
00:54:43
what he was doing or who he was doing it well where to get those clothes from clearly he stole
00:54:47
them that's right oh so uh okay so um when they finally did find him and arrest him which was
00:54:57
almost immediate because he was driving scott's truck and they the truck passes trying to zoom
00:55:03
down that road when the cops are going up um he sees the cops and almost immediately drives up
00:55:10
under embankment and flips the truck over and the police officer that went up to check him
00:55:16
He was inside the upside down truck and he said, they're the coldest eyes I've ever seen.
00:55:22
And so they get him out. They arrest him. Randall Lee Smith tells the police that he had to shoot Scott and Sean in self-defense.
00:55:30
Yeah. That that's why that happened. Right. Four days after he's arrested, he dies of natural causes in jail.
00:55:36
What? Yeah. What natural causes? Being an old murderer, having a terrible life. Oh my God.
00:55:43
And rotting from the inside spiritually. Oh my God. These are not confirmed. This is not the coroner's report.
00:55:49
Please remember. But, okay, so here's the part that's mind-blowing to me. So Sean, who has been shot in the head and the fucking chest,
00:56:01
the bullet that went into his chest, he says there was so much muscle mass on his chest,
00:56:07
it just pushed the bullet over so it didn't puncture anything critical. That's the sexiest thing I've ever heard in my life.
00:56:13
It's pretty awesome. This guy has that, he does have this, like, I want to hear him tell 20 more stories.
00:56:18
He has that like real, like good, the good, good old boy. Yeah. Yeah. To him. Yeah.
00:56:24
Um, but you know, the bullet that went into his head shot so close that he had a gunpowder
00:56:31
burns on his cheek. Oh my God. It just went in and went into his nasal passages and kind of ricocheted
00:56:37
around a little bit, like just clonked around and just clonked around and didn't come back out.
00:56:42
I mean, I don't know. I guess they went in and took it out, but like, it didn't give him any brain damage or any it just fucked up that one side of his face now i'm just
00:56:50
picturing him using a neti pot and a fucking bullet coming out of his nostril he just he can't
00:56:55
get it out of there he keeps rinsing his nose you're like but but i mean that is he was basically
00:57:01
in like recovery in the recovery room at 4 a.m that morning jesus for being shot in the head
00:57:10
and chest dude that's why also why i love i survived because you these people are like so
00:57:16
then i got shot in the head and you're like you the person talking yeah i love this okay i like
00:57:21
that it's very like it's very x-men like how did you do this are you special yeah are you different
00:57:27
from us um okay so then the next morning scott's out of surgery so he can take his finger out of
00:57:35
neck they sew that hole up yeah he actually has scars so it looked like there was entrance
00:57:40
like his his neck was pretty pretty ripped up um you know they're shot fucking multiple times
00:57:47
close range it's so crazy and one of his family members shows up at the hospital and holds up
00:57:53
a newspaper that says the at killer strikes again so immediately they they know that randall
00:58:00
least randall lee smith who is the man that killed these two people in 1981 it's the fucking same guy
00:58:07
with the same kind of gun or the same gun in the one mile away from where he did it he did it again
00:58:13
jesus um except yeah one would have thought maybe one would have thought he would have been fine
00:58:18
after 15 years of prison and he they could have let him go and he'd never do it again right but
00:58:22
no he tricked everyone it turns out that this is one of those times where that that isn't what
00:58:27
happened yeah basically uh so did he kill anyone else do we know like that well there's only they
00:58:34
said i read a thing that said there's only eight reported murders like known murders um on the
00:58:41
appalachian trail huh uh so that's six additional ones i'm not sure what they're referencing but
00:58:49
there's all kinds of missing people that went they went for a walk up in these mountains or whatever
00:58:55
that they are not accounted for. Oh, that's so creepy. When Randall Lee, this is kind of the creepy reveal.
00:59:03
In his possession when he was arrested, the police found six pairs of eyeglasses,
00:59:10
bloody clothes, women's underwear, 20 knives, a hatchet, satanic and Wiccan literature.
00:59:17
What? Which is necessarily a bad thing. Yeah. Well, with the rest of the stuff and the fact that he's a murderer.
00:59:23
it doesn't bode well it doesn't bode well it does not bode so anyway that the idea that in
00:59:29
just six weeks these are the this is the amount of like trophy style stuff that he has in his
00:59:35
possession is horrifying which means there's probably a bunch of cold cases or or missing
00:59:42
people that might be able to get matched with that i wonder whose dog it was because maybe he
00:59:48
stole the dog too. Oh. Do the dog, do we know what happened to the dog? The dog?
00:59:53
What if the Scott and Sean brought the dog home and kept him I telling you if you an I Survive producer and you didn fold that shit right in then it didn happen those people know what they doing i know um but here let
01:00:06
let's just say this the dog ran off in fear but then just ate trout for the rest of his life
01:00:11
his coat got real shiny did he become friends with a bear and a raccoon he fell in with a group of
01:00:16
raccoons and bears raccoons and bears how about our prescient visionary um abilities where where
01:00:24
yesterday that big drama that was happening was did you see the baby raccoon that scaled the 23
01:00:29
story building i did but i couldn't look at it till the end he made it i was i saw that he made
01:00:34
it but i tweeted something like well i just can't read this because i'm so scared for him i missed
01:00:38
the entire thing oh good i wasn't i was busy or whatever he made it did you see the photos of him
01:00:45
on the fucking belt on the side when he was all stretching out yeah yeah he's ski i would i mean
01:00:53
I would hate to climb a 23-story building like a wreck. Guess what? You have to.
01:00:58
No! I love it also that they sort of lure him to the roof. They put cat food up there.
01:01:02
Yeah. Everybody wants some cat food. Scott and Sean say they still go fishing at Dismal Creek.
01:01:09
They've done it all their lives. It's the safest fucking place for them now. Exactly.
01:01:12
And they're probably, they probably, I would, if I was either of them, be like, yeah, I'm
01:01:17
kind of invincible. I've been shot in the motherfucking head. Shoot me. I dare you.
01:01:21
And handled it. Yeah. And this is the Sean at the very end in that good old boy way goes, other than a few scars, we're fine.
01:01:30
Jeez. Everyone else at the end of I Survived is like, I survived because my family and God was watching me personally.
01:01:37
And he's just like, yeah, we're fine. It's almost like we don't want to talk about it.
01:01:41
It's like, it's too late. You're on a TV show. You have to talk about it. Wow. And that is that triple crossover.
01:01:47
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01:01:58
kiss was it Italian kiss level it was it was this beautiful Italian kiss I love it I love it okay
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01:05:05
when you see like those lists that are like five photos of murder victims right before like the
01:05:11
last photos ever taken of murder victims i hate those and it's the it's like black and white older
01:05:17
photo of a woman a beautiful woman tied up and she's like posing you know scared and tied up
01:05:25
you've seen is she posing or is it real well that's the thing is you can't tell okay but you
01:05:30
I don't know. It's like. So it's from the 50s, 60s? Yeah, 50s. You've seen the photo.
01:05:35
It's like, this is the story of that. Okay, awesome. There's a lot of those. I've seen that photo a lot.
01:05:42
And so I'm finally doing the story. Here we go. Okay. On August 1st, 1956, a beautiful 19-year-old blonde woman named Judy Ann Dahl was going
01:05:52
through this crazy hardcore custody battle in 1958 which has got to suck even more Did women have rights then I don know She going through did men have rights over their kids Like that even you know what I mean
01:06:05
Yeah, did they even want them? Right. So she's going through a battle with her ex-husband over their 14-month-old daughter.
01:06:11
She needs to make money to hire this lawyer to fight the battle. And so she would take modeling jobs a lot.
01:06:19
So a man named Johnny Glynn called and he offered her $50, which is a lot then, to pose for the cover of a pulp novel.
01:06:30
And she was like, fuck yeah, I need this money. Totally. So back then, though, modeling and modeling agencies weren't, it wasn't what it is today.
01:06:39
All over downtown LA, these little businesses were cropping up and they were small modeling studios that they had their own female models inside.
01:06:48
And they would pose for a price and they would do either clothed or nude. So these like dudes who would claim to be modeling photographers could come in, pay $20, do a photo session with a naked model and leave with nudes, you know, nude photos.
01:07:05
But for more money, they would be given a girl's a model's phone number and he would call.
01:07:10
They would make arrangements to meet either at his studio, which is like if you had one.
01:07:14
Yeah. Or at her house a lot of the time. so essentially this is a little bit of there's a bit of sex work maybe that could be involved it
01:07:23
doesn't sound like it oh okay from what i can tell that wasn't that wasn't what was going on i mean
01:07:30
just pervs yeah just pervs wanting naked photos of women and they couldn't get it in other places
01:07:36
you know what i mean true it's like hard to get something like that but they can't drive out to
01:07:39
the forest and find an old mag that someone threw right well i think also like there were legit ones
01:07:44
who if you there were a lot of pinup magazine stuff and like there were true crime magazines
01:07:48
that would have these photos so you could take them and send them in and maybe you'd make some
01:07:52
money with the photos so maybe some of them were trying to be legit uh in this story there's no
01:07:58
nefarious like there's no um sex work going on or anything like that it's all just purely modeling
01:08:04
okay and also like maybe that like a lady in her bra and panties went way further back then
01:08:10
Absolutely. Then these days where it's like, oh, yeah, that's what's on every street corner.
01:08:14
Well, think of Betty Page. Like, she's the one who got famous from it. And she, you know, took her clothes off and did these cheesecake photos tied up.
01:08:22
So I think this was just on a smaller scale. And hers was like, it looked like it was her idea.
01:08:27
That was the kind of big revolution about Betty Page. Betty Page was having a great fucking time.
01:08:32
And it wasn't like, someone made me do this. Yeah. Yeah. So the woman got paid the photos and the photographers got their dirty photos.
01:08:42
So that's and everyone is happy. Right. So that's how Hollywood was built. When the photographer that had called Judy came to pick her up, he met Judy's roommate, Betty.
01:08:54
And Betty thought it was strange that he said he wanted to pick up to pick her up, to pick up Judy and take her to do some.
01:09:03
sorry, he was going to do pin-up pics, but then he told her to get a street outfit,
01:09:10
like a normal clothes. So Betty thought that was weird, but he but this guy offered her
01:09:15
his phone number at his portrait studio, so she was like, okay this is fine. Yeah. So
01:09:22
Judy left with her, with him. Wow. Yeah. So Betty starts to worry when Judy didn't come
01:09:28
home from the photo session when she said she would, so she calls the phone number that this guy
01:09:32
Johnny had left with her, but the number isn't for a photo studio. It's for a machine shop,
01:09:36
and no one there had heard of a guy named Johnny Glenn. So Betty calls the cops, and APB is put
01:09:42
out for Johnny, and Betty describes him as a small, bespectacled man, and the search for her goes on.
01:09:50
What they couldn't know yet was that Judy had already become the first victim of Harvey Murray
01:09:55
Glattman, aka the Glamour Girl Slayer. I know that name. Okay, yes. You've seen photos of
01:10:01
him he looks like a hipster like a like a brooklyn hipster trying to look like a brooklyn hipster
01:10:08
like squirrely big ears stick out the side of his head you know hipsters have big ears he's just like
01:10:15
gross um i think there was an episode of a crime to remember about this oh i bet because i just got
01:10:22
a really specific picture of harvey glattman in my head where i'm like that's an actor yeah okay
01:10:28
So Harvey Murray Glattman was born on December 10th, 1927 in the Bronx, and he was raised in Denver, Colorado.
01:10:36
Those are two different places. Very different locales. It must have been a real adjustment.
01:10:41
Absolutely. Growing up in the 30s and 40s, Harvey's parents began to notice that their kid had antisocial behaviors and sadomasochistic sexual tendencies from an early age.
01:10:52
That's got to be fun. Yeah. And one time his parents found him. Okay, picture this.
01:10:58
Picture you have a four-year-old kid. Okay. And you walk in on him, and he has a string tied around his penis,
01:11:05
and the loose end of the string is shot in a drawer, and he's leaning backwards so that the string pulls his penis taut.
01:11:13
And your kid's four, and you just walked in on him doing that. And you're like, who taught you this?
01:11:19
Yeah, Harvey, what are you doing? Harvey, honey. Harvey, honey, what the fuck? Do you want some tang?
01:11:26
Jesus Christ. It's insanely disturbing. Slightly less disturbing was when I was like five,
01:11:36
and my dad walked into mine and my sister's room, and I was playing. Our great aunts had given us a stack of 45s
01:11:45
that we used to listen to all the time. It was this weird music from the 60s and 70s.
01:11:49
and I was standing in the room lip syncing to the Peggy Lee song. Is that all there is?
01:11:55
Oh my God. Have you heard that fucking song? The creepiest song in the world. The creepiest song in the world.
01:11:59
And, I'm a five-year-old stand there going, is that all there is to a fire? Is that all there is?
01:12:08
I would be like, let's burn the house down. Seriously, like I would run screaming.
01:12:13
Okay, so when he's 12. No brag, by the way, I knew the words to that song when I was five.
01:12:18
You're a hipster from Brooklyn. My ears are sticking all the way out right now. So when he's 12 years old, grows up from four years old,
01:12:25
his parents noticed that he had a red swollen neck. And they're like, what'd you do?
01:12:30
And he's like, well, I was in the bathtub. I placed a rope around my neck and I ran it through the tub drain.
01:12:37
And then I pulled it tight against his neck, against his neck, achieving some kind of sexual pleasure from this act, he said later.
01:12:44
Oh, that he's doing the choke yourself out? Yeah. Wow, at age 12. He would also hang himself in the attic until he achieved orgasm.
01:12:54
Hang himself where? In the attic. In the attic. an attic and you know i don't know which one it is now it's c it's attic did i say addict
01:13:03
you did fuck i love it it's the weirdest i don't know how that happened it's amazing i don't yeah
01:13:11
this is like the this podcast in the past two years is the most i've ever said that word i've
01:13:15
said it maybe twice in my life before this so why like i didn't have one i'm from irvine we don't
01:13:20
have those this that's right they don't exist oh california how do we pronounce basement we don't
01:13:26
have those either uh this podcast is all about like i've never known what an abject failure i
01:13:35
am about facts i thought i was pretty together yeah and it simply isn't true and it just gets
01:13:39
proven week after week facts and opinions and just attitudes attitude about life anyways let's talk
01:13:47
about murder let's talk about a 12 year old child hanging himself in the attic for sexual gratification
01:13:53
Yes. His mom is like, we're going to the doctor, takes him to a physician. And the doctor was like, of course, he'll grow out of it, which is probably true in a lot of cases, right? Like the kids grow out of it or they don't, or they find, you know, they do it and they don't murder people.
01:14:11
I just feel like the difference is he was like hanging himself. Yeah. Like, I think if somebody was masturbating a ton, they'd just be like, look, it's just, you know, a thing.
01:14:21
The hanging part is what you're bothered by. It's pretty intense. Nowadays, that would be problematic.
01:14:27
Yeah, and back a days as well. Back a days. Harvey would later say that, quote, I guess I was just kind of fascinated by rope.
01:14:36
So it was the rope. I loved hemp. In school, Harvey did well academically, but was painfully shy when other kids, especially girls, which is like, who's not?
01:14:46
And he was taunted with the nicknames Weasel and Chipmunk due to his looks. You can imagine what he looked like.
01:14:51
Yeah. as I just made fun of him earlier. He committed his first sex offenses while he was a teenager
01:14:58
and when he would break into women's apartments, tie them up and sexually assault them
01:15:02
as a teenager. He would also force his victims to pose for photographs so he could keep them as mementos.
01:15:09
And the look of this kid is so, it doesn't make sense with what his offenses are
01:15:14
because even as a high school student, he must have been even skinnier. He's this scrawny little nerd.
01:15:18
it's and i know that like so you wouldn't have expected this right exactly based on just the way
01:15:24
he looks the strength the bravery right kind of boldness yeah but i was also thinking of like
01:15:29
what can you cast him like i know who um because you know who i'm thinking of and i can't remember
01:15:36
his last name that guy jay that's in like this is the end and what's his fucking name jay barishall
01:15:43
thank you wow you know who that guy is no he's very lanky and he's like long and skinny can you
01:15:48
show her a picture of him because i couldn't give harvey glattman because i couldn't i couldn't cast
01:15:53
him let's get him cast so i need you to cast him please cast glatt let's cast glatt oh wow okay well
01:16:02
this is what does he look like we're in a buscemi area oh absolutely buscemi but then also this
01:16:09
picture this is i'm gonna he looks a little bit like andrew garfield's like maybe less attractive
01:16:16
older brother in this picture I'm looking at right now. Who's Andrew Garfield? The guy that played like Spider-Man and he was in that army movie about how he wouldn't
01:16:25
shoot anybody and he still went to World War II, which is kind of amazing and a true story.
01:16:30
He also looks like Fisher Stevens, which if you're from the 80s like me, he was a big,
01:16:30
Okay. he was, I think he was married to Michelle Pfeiffer. He's a character actor.
01:16:39
I think the Steve Buscemi type is a young Steve Buscemi because he was only 30 when those
01:16:44
pictures were taken. so and he also looks a little bit like the actor oh what the fuck is his last name go to instagram
01:16:51
our instagram is my favorite murder when this post we're gonna put 15 actors and then we'll
01:16:56
all vote on who is the most i want i also want to get scoot mcnary into this because he's on
01:17:02
halt and catch fire okay and he's in one of the oh yeah he's in some cool independent movies he's
01:17:07
a really good actor and no bragging i'm sorry i'm super delaying this but uh me and bridger
01:17:14
went to dinner the other night and it was a little bit crowded around the hostess stand when we
01:17:18
walked in and we didn't have a reservation so I immediately got tense and then I looked over and
01:17:22
the guy that was waiting for the hostess to seat him was staring at her so intently I thought he
01:17:28
was like being mean to her so then I started staring at him really intently and then he turned
01:17:32
and looked at me and it was Scoot McNary and then I was just staring weirdly at Scoot McGarry and
01:17:37
then he smiled at me and then I was like what are you doing move your eyes away from his face and I
01:17:42
couldn't because he's really good looking okay thank you no thank you for letting me wait where
01:17:47
did you go to dinner adderall town did you have an adderall over medium for dinner cup of coffee okay anyway i not i no stranger jesus christ i was like can i stop you for the 90th time and tell you something that in no way will help your story i don care okay look that
01:18:08
what this podcast was going to be called originally listen look and listen in school he did well i
01:18:13
already told you that and he would take photos of them when harvey was 18 and still in high school
01:18:18
he was arrested after he tied up one of his classmates at gunpoint and sexually assaulted
01:18:23
her. So instead of graduating high school, he went to fucking jail in Denver. But he
01:18:28
continued to rob and sexually assault women for years, often being arrested and serving
01:18:33
short stints in prison. Of course, he was seen as an impulsive offender fueled by lust
01:18:39
and a rage for the women he assaulted. While he was on bail awaiting trial, he kidnapped
01:18:44
and molested another woman before releasing her and that got him eight months in prison.
01:18:50
kind of a please sit down and think about this for a little while yeah let's give you three squares
01:18:55
you'll fill out a little bit so you're straight you can work out so you're stronger next time you
01:18:58
go out you'll get some bad ideas from the people around you exactly and then get out there bye
01:19:02
after harvey decided to he after that he is like fuck this shit i'm going to new york he goes with
01:19:08
his mom to new york in 1946 salts women salts on women grows bolder it's one of those obvious
01:19:13
escalation stories and more violent in new york he's eventually arrested for a series of
01:19:19
muggings and sentenced to from five to ten years in sing sing whoa prison i know prison psychiatrists
01:19:26
diagnosed him as a psychopath yeah but he was a model prisoner and so in 1956 they're like get
01:19:32
out of here you nut you psychopath get out get out of here in 1957 he moves to los angeles
01:19:39
he you know what that's what all the psychopaths do yeah we're all here we've got so many of us
01:19:46
it's fun uh he gets a job as a television repairman to to support himself positive you're
01:19:53
going to say like a television producer yeah yeah that's right on the money and now he's our agent
01:19:58
and okay but he also starts uh back up his fucking love of photography and he starts trolling
01:20:09
modeling agencies posing as a professional photographer this has this is like alcala
01:20:14
before Rodney Alcala was Rodney Alcala yeah that's right Rodney Alcala when you see that clip of him on the
01:20:23
dating game it's so disturbing because he looks like he looks like the creepiest troll
01:20:30
of all the 70s but he did have kind of fine features or like patrician kind of manly features
01:20:37
he's not a bad looking person you can tell he probably had like a swarthy kind of a game going yeah but remember the chick met him backstage and she was like i'm not going
01:20:48
out with him because she thought he was psycho so clearly he couldn't fucking do it yeah but i guess
01:20:53
comparatively at least he would have like the first five minutes of the game going whereas
01:20:58
glattman no you're not you're looking at that and you're like what's this teenager doing yeah
01:21:03
right yeah the day so we go back now to his first murder victim julie judy ann doll the day he picks
01:21:10
her up. He had obtained her number through a modeling agency, of course. And he brings her
01:21:16
back to his apartment, which he says is his photo studio. And they're going to do a pinup shoot.
01:21:21
And he ties her up and gags her, which she goes along with because he says that's part of it. So
01:21:28
he has that fucking ploy. And then so there's some photos of her. I've always looked at those
01:21:33
photos. And I do the thing where I look deep in the person's eye to be like, did you know anything?
01:21:37
you know I try to study it yeah and in the first photos that she's like that tied up fully clothed
01:21:42
in her like you know normal clothing and it doesn't look like she realizes I don't think
01:21:48
anything had happened yet that he had attacked her but uh then after taking those photos he
01:21:55
holds her at gunpoint and then he repeatedly rapes her and takes photos of her makes her pose
01:22:02
the whole time. And this was the first time. So it's said that this is the first time
01:22:07
his assault had escalated to rape. And I read in a couple places that that's where he lost virginity.
01:22:13
But only in a couple places, so I don't know if that's true. And yeah, how could you know that?
01:22:19
Unless he said it. He blabbed later. Oh, okay. So it's possible he said that. Whoa, that's weird.
01:22:26
Isn't that weird? Of all that sexual stuff going on since he was four years old.
01:22:31
Yeah. And this is when he loses his virginity. That's intense. And then what kind of hatred must he have if he has to think...
01:22:38
So, he's a fucking horrible person. It's not good. There's photos of her, Judy, during the whole ordeal, both before and after she comes to the realization that he's this monster.
01:22:49
After the rape and assault, Harvey drives Judy out to a secluded location in the Mojave Desert, which is outside of Los Angeles.
01:22:57
Not good. where he strangles her to death with a piece of rope and buries her out in the desert.
01:23:03
He then takes the rope that he had used to bind her and strangle her with him, and he uses it later.
01:23:12
Judy's skeletal remains are discovered later in December, but she wouldn't be identified until months later.
01:23:18
Seven months after he kills Judy, he finds this next victim. He actually met Shirley Ann Bridgeford, a 24-year-old divorcee and mother of two, through a Lonely Hearts ad.
01:23:31
Again, using a fake name. So it's one of those, like, it's fucking Craigslist. Like, do you want to meet up and go on a date before Craigslist existed?
01:23:39
Yeah, and then it had that also the innocence of, like, late 50s, early 60s or whatever, where it's like, you write a letter and then in your mind, you know, some man who also has a lonely heart is going to respond.
01:23:50
Even the name Lonely Hearts, it's like we're sad and alone. And innocent Innocent and sweet almost where it just like here come the pervs Harvey picks up Shirley under the pretense of taking her to a dance
01:24:05
But once they're in the car, he's like, hey, can we not go dancing? And instead, can we take a long drive in the country and we'll get dinner along the way?
01:24:13
And she's just like, OK. So they drove. No. I know. The answer is no. And they end up in the foothills of the Vallecito Mountains near Anza State Park.
01:24:25
Don't know what that is. And you are a lifelong Southern California nerd? Yeah, I'm going to guess they changed the name.
01:24:31
Yes, they did. To fuck you over? Yeah. It's now called what? You know. The San Gabriel Mountains.
01:24:38
Yes, actually, I think. Yeah. Okay. There at gunpoint, he forces her to undress.
01:24:42
He ties her up and photographs her. So I think this is one. There's a couple of photos of a woman on a picnic blanket in her clothes, again, tied up.
01:24:52
and I think that in these photos you can tell that she knows like in her eyes you can see this like
01:24:57
worry across her forehead she's gagged and bound and it's really horrifying and awful I mean I just
01:25:03
would like to as the person who doesn't look at these pictures I would just like to say sometimes
01:25:07
when you look at those pictures they do not leave your mind uh-huh that's why I don't sleep at night
01:25:12
I know but I mean like you're telling me this like oh really because I just forget about him
01:25:18
I just don't look too many of those. It's so upsetting. Oh my god, it's too late.
01:25:23
It's so upsetting. I know, it's so late. I look at all of those, and I can't stop.
01:25:28
I know. And then I can't sleep, and I have anxiety. Yeah. And I love it. Okay. In a weird way.
01:25:33
Yeah. Well, you know exactly what's going to happen. Yeah. It's a controlled, bad-feeling experiment.
01:25:41
Yeah. And I feel like it makes me understand the crime a little more. Like, you know, that photo, there's nothing going on in it.
01:25:47
You would think it's just a normal... a bound pinup photo from the 50s right yes well and it's that thing of like the looking at looking
01:25:56
for the difference yeah the difference of when a person is like okay here's your dumb thing yeah
01:26:01
oh i'm scared yeah oh and then the difference of that of holy fuck i mean she just has this like
01:26:07
across her forehead this worry yeah across her forehead that is horrifying yeah um
01:26:15
um okay then he takes her to the same desert where he had taken judy and strangles her with
01:26:21
the same rope he uses the same rope and takes it home with him and he leaves her body unburied in
01:26:27
the desert so harvey found his next victim ruth mercato who's 24 again through the modeling agency
01:26:35
and when he arrives at her place for a planned photo shoot she's like you know what i have a
01:26:39
headache get out of here this isn't gonna happen oh good no um and he leaves but he returns to
01:26:45
her house a couple hours later and breaks in and again repeatedly rapes her at gunpoint
01:26:52
throughout the night. It's possible that he even made her sit next to him and watch his favorite sitcom with
01:26:57
her. Oh, man. Like he's just a psychopath. Yeah. In the morning, he forces her to walk to his car and then he drives her to the desert where
01:27:07
he photographs her tied up, forcing her to pose. And then he kills her again in the same manner with the same fucking rope.
01:27:14
Wow. I know. That's horrible. Harvey later stated, She was the one I really liked, so I told her we were going out to a deserted spot where we wouldn't be bothered while I took more pictures.
01:27:26
He later said, We drove out to the Escondido district and spent most of the day out in the desert.
01:27:31
I took a lot more pictures and tried and tried to figure out how to keep from killing her, but I couldn't come up with an answer.
01:27:38
Yeah, because you're a fucking psychopath. Yeah. um and also i hate when i hate hearing from the killers because like him going like
01:27:45
she's the one i like yeah who gives a fuck yeah you fucking yeah whatever no 100 you're right
01:27:52
i don't care which one you like it doesn't yeah that's not your preferences are not interesting
01:27:58
like doesn't make her a better person because you somehow didn't want to kill her you liking her
01:28:03
not liking her she still went through hell yeah because of you being a psychopath totally
01:28:09
um so she's reported missing on july 27th 1958 by her landlords four days after she'd left for
01:28:17
a photo shoot with an unknown man so his next so his next potential victim is 28 year old lorraine
01:28:25
weigel uh weigel had just registered with the modeling agency when she was contacted by harvey
01:28:30
for her first photo shoot okay so after the appointment was scheduled for them to meet up
01:28:37
Lorraine got a call from the owner of the modeling agency who was a woman. And she was like, look, this dude just came in here.
01:28:44
He needs a model. I gave him your number. But I just want to let you know, be careful with this loser, she says, quote.
01:28:50
Be careful with this loser. She got a fucking bad vibe from him. Yes. She said he's not a professional and is rather creepy.
01:28:57
You know what I mean? Yes. So she warns her. Yes. That's all you got to do. Yeah.
01:29:02
Just call a gal up and just be like, I don't get a great feeling. so just so you know yeah but she needs the money and so she decides you know what i can deal with
01:29:12
this right creepy guy so on october 27th 1958 lorraine is picked up by harvey and isn't worried
01:29:18
at all until he starts driving in the opposite direction of where they were supposed to be going
01:29:22
he gets on the fucking santa anna freeway and starts going south towards orange county
01:29:27
there's no photo shoots need to happen in orange county nothing good happens down there clearly
01:29:33
Except Disneyland. And even that. So he starts driving crazy and erratic. And she's like, where are we going?
01:29:41
This isn't the right direction. Slow down. And she says that he wouldn't look at her or even answer her questions.
01:29:47
So after they drove for a while, Lorraine wouldn't stop berating him. And he suddenly pulls over to the side of the freeway off ramp.
01:29:54
And he pulls a gun on her and then tries to tie her up But Lorraine is like fuck no She grabs the gun by the muzzle and starts to fucking wrestle with him
01:30:05
He tries to convince her that if she let go of the gun, he wouldn't kill her. But she was like, fuck you.
01:30:12
Bullshit. This isn't, you're an idiot. They fight over the gun. The gun goes off and it passes through Lorraine's skirt grazing her thigh.
01:30:22
Whoa. Yeah. But she's still fucking struggling. And at that point, she fucking goes down and bites his hand and he lets go of the gun.
01:30:29
She fucking tumbles out of the car. He's like grabbing at her sweater, trying to get her.
01:30:33
She holds the gun on him until the cops show up. Yes. It's fucking right. It's like a citizen's arrest.
01:30:39
Absolutely. Hell yeah. So Highway Patrolman Tom Mulligan later testified that he had, quote, he had a lunatic stare.
01:30:46
I'll never forget that wild look he had in his eyes. Wow. Police arrested him. Can I just say?
01:30:52
Yeah. How beautiful did Tom Mulligan look when he pulled up and Lorraine is standing there with this guy at gunpoint?
01:31:00
Yeah. She's just like, thank fucking God. There's some bad news, but. Oh, shoot.
01:31:06
Well, here's the thing. I was going to say that. Instead of being celebrated for her courage and this and he gets taken in and he admits to these three murders.
01:31:15
Lorraine is dismissed from her job as a result of the notoriety. and reports circulated that she'd known that Harvey was an ex-con when she accepted the modeling job.
01:31:27
Oh, so they fucking victim blamed the shit out of the fucking hero of our story.
01:31:32
Sure, they did. Of course they did. Let's give Lorraine Vigel some fucking props.
01:31:37
V-I-G-I-L? V-I-G-I-L. Oh. Vigel? Vigel? Or Vigil? Vigil. She's a vigilante. Vigil.
01:31:45
Oh my God. V-I-G-I-L. Vigil. Shit. I feel like a dick. No, I mean, who knows? Yeah.
01:31:52
I think you're right. We never know the correct pronunciation. It's wrong, no matter what.
01:31:56
Like she, yeah. That is the good part. I think that we are evolving. That story's changing.
01:32:03
Yes, we're changing it. It's taken 500 years. Okay. So police arrests Harvey, and after hours of interrogation, he admits to the three previous
01:32:13
murders. he eventually leads police to the toolbox in his apartment that contains pictures of hundreds of
01:32:19
women that he had assaulted including his three murder victims all of in all of so after he had
01:32:25
murdered the three women he had tied them up and put them in various poses and taken photos of them
01:32:31
oh their dead bodies yeah so the police were even like you didn't look at those did you there aren't
01:32:36
any you can't find them no no no i didn't but i would have oh i just feel i feel a little obligated
01:32:42
I've talked about this before where it's like, if I'm going to talk about these women who went through this horrible shit,
01:32:46
I feel like I should fucking witness it. You know, that's just my feeling. Grade the impact.
01:32:54
Just keep your eye on the impact. You're right. Thank you. My therapist, as my therapist,
01:32:58
you, I appreciate that. As the least qualified therapist on the planet. Listen to every word I say.
01:33:04
That's right. Um, no, you're right though. Thank you for saying that. Okay. Da, da,
01:33:10
da, da, da, photos. All right. Finally. So he takes the cops to the sites and they find the bodies and he tells investigators that he did it.
01:33:20
OK, so he becomes known in the media as the lonely hearts killer and the glamour girl slayer.
01:33:27
When he's put on trial for his crimes, he pleads guilty and repeatedly asks to get the death penalty.
01:33:34
Whoa. And even attempts to stop the automatic appeal given after he does, in fact, get the death penalty.
01:33:40
Wow. He's like, kill me. I know, which makes me wonder, like, psychologically what was going on in his head.
01:33:47
Yeah, because it's all there's a little bit of I mean, he also admitted everything brought them to all the bodies, like gave everybody closure, kind of like shut the whole scenario down.
01:33:59
I'm totally aware that the it's almost like it was he wanted to kill that person who murdered all those women, too.
01:34:05
He wanted to kill that guy, too. Yeah. You know? Yeah, it makes sense. and he on September
01:34:15
17th 19th I just had a brain I think it's called a stroke on December 17th 19th Judge John A.
01:34:24
Hewicker found Harvey Glattman who's now only he's 31 at this point finds him guilty
01:34:30
in the murders of Shirley Bridgeford and Ruth Mercado he's sentenced to death and on September 18th
01:34:35
1959 he goes to San Quentin's infamous green room did you know that was what it was called i didn't know that's what it was called
01:34:43
where he's put to death by inhaling cyanide shit um and later once this is coined he's recognized
01:34:51
as one of the nation's first serial killers yeah um and like using the same rope is like
01:34:58
very like storybook serial and he's keeping a memento which is the photographs yeah like that
01:35:03
was this thing to relive it over and over again they talk about it in the you know what what's the
01:35:07
detective who... Mindhunter? Yeah. They talk about in the books and stuff that they write.
01:35:12
Because he's, yeah, he's early perfect example. Yeah, so any of those books you read, this guy's talked about. So,
01:35:17
it's possible that Harvey is responsible for another murder. This one's a cold case. On April 8th,
01:35:23
1954, two, this is way before the first murder, two University of Colorado students hiking near Boulder Falls
01:35:31
found the body of a naked and beaten young woman along the banks of the Boulder Creek.
01:35:37
She became known as Boulder Jane Doe until 55 years later, in fucking 2009, when this woman, a 25-year-old woman named Michelle Fowler, who's clearly a fucking murderino, is like, wants to do some sleuthing on her, what would have been her great aunt's disappearance.
01:35:56
She disappeared when she was a teenager. She had done all this. She didn't even live in Boulder.
01:36:01
She was just like doing all this web sleuth and like put these things together. And she sent in some DNA.
01:36:07
And it turns out that Jane Doe was her long lost missing great aunt. Wow. Dorothy Gay Howard, known as Dot.
01:36:15
Wow, Dotty. And they exhumed the body. They did DNA testing. She was 18 years old when she was reported missing from Phoenix, Arizona.
01:36:24
And a theory based on circumstantial evidence is that Harvey Glattman, who was in Colorado at the time,
01:36:30
who there's some circumstantial stuff like but the car he was driving leads to her being uh maybe
01:36:36
one of his first murder victims wow but there's i haven't found any information updating it
01:36:41
and that is the story of the glamour girl slayer that was great thank you uh god that guy's
01:36:48
i mean steve fucking buscemi stop it poor steve buscemi oh yeah i mean like he gets looped into
01:36:57
all this stuff anytime and he's a listener so he's probably really upset right now you imagine
01:37:01
steve buscemi listening to his podcast oh i would get so nervous i know me too um because you know
01:37:07
why steve buscemi is the shit he started as a fireman what yeah he was a fireman before he
01:37:15
got started getting acting parts are you kidding me yeah he was a san he was a san francisco uh he
01:37:20
was a new york city fireman and on 9 11 the firehouse he used to work in was one of the ones
01:37:26
that lost a bunch of firefighters. And he did all this volunteer work and went down and like went,
01:37:32
I mean, he's, Steve Buscemi's the fucking shit. Oh my God, I love him. Aside from being one of the best actors ever
01:37:38
in one of the best movies, Fargo. Like he also, Boardwalk Empire. Oh, so good. The best.
01:37:44
So good. I love him. Love him. And on a Steve Buscemi note, let's do fucking hooray.
01:37:49
Okay, great. Actually, I need a second. Well, there's the standing fucking hooray
01:37:53
of Steve Buscemi. Obviously. If you haven't seen him in Ghost World. Yeah, please.
01:37:58
My fucking hooray is the like enormous vat of nacho cheese that you brought to my birthday party last weekend.
01:38:06
And I just want to thank you for it. It was just the funniest fucking thing. Karen brought a crock pot, like a family size crock pot filled to the fucking brim of nacho cheese.
01:38:20
We plugged it in. and it was, and you, and I appreciate you holding court and you just like, it was fun.
01:38:28
Thank you for doing that. And then, and then we left it out for like two days, Vince and I,
01:38:34
and I was like, well, we should just leave it in here and give it to Karen full. Yeah. But then we
01:38:38
ended up having it like, it was so, and it was still so full that Vince and I had to like,
01:38:42
had a team up to, to dump it out. When I, I didn't really think about this, but so,
01:38:48
So I said to Georgia, you know, like, tell me what I can bring. And like, in the forceful friend way where you're like, delegate to me.
01:38:56
Yeah, instead of being like, no, just come. We're shopping, I'll get everything.
01:38:59
I was like, no, come on, there's gotta be some stuff. And then she started throwing out dips, and I was like, yeah, okay, dips.
01:39:04
You know you want some Lipton onion dip. Oh, and you did. And it was amazing Yeah made a couple of those But then I was going to make like homemade nacho like queso basically And I was looking up recipes and I was doing this that and the other thing And when I went to go shop I was worried about if I put something together what if I had this big vat of something that tastes like shit So I was really concerned Yeah I never tested out like my own queso recipe Yeah especially when you have to make you have to like triple the recipe because it so big and stuff It scary Yeah And then I do
01:39:37
what makes me a bad cook is I kind of give up in the middle often where I'm like this sucks and
01:39:43
then just whatever when I was shopping at smart and final uh I looked up in the like where I was
01:39:50
in the like Hispanic food section and I look up at the top shelf and there is a can of nacho cheese
01:39:57
sauce that is as big as my head and I was just like problem solved I'm gonna have this thing
01:40:01
done in 20 minutes I got two cans of Rotel diced spiced tomatoes oh my god and I pulled down that
01:40:07
plastic cheese sauce that they serve I kept saying it they serve it at the roller skating rink
01:40:11
and dump so that everyone loves at a party it's so delicious it is it's like it's easy to eat it
01:40:18
seems like it's made of plastic it's very like you shouldn't be doing it it's really orange
01:40:22
it's it was bright orange um and people the fun part was and this is what I always have to do
01:40:29
because A, I can't be out in the sun. So like it was a pool party, Georgia's whole area was,
01:40:36
it was like there was tons of young, beautiful people all around the pool. And I was like, what's that, a pool house with air conditioning?
01:40:41
Goodbye. And I noped out of the patio area and then plugged in that cheese sauce on the counter
01:40:48
and pretended that I needed to stand next to it for the next three hours. Oh my God.
01:40:54
But then we had a great time because someone started playing the drinking game asshole, which is like a card game that Joe DeRosa taught us.
01:41:03
Yeah. We start playing it. And at some point about an hour in, fucking Kara Clank walks in and she's a comic friend of ours.
01:41:12
She is one of my favorite people and one of the funniest fucking people. She's a good person to have at parties.
01:41:17
She is perfection. She starts like telling everybody what the actual rules are. she's like you can just like grabbing cards out of people's hands and be like you need to go over
01:41:25
there like managing shit yeah but also hilarious she has that camp vibe too where she's like yes
01:41:31
it's like good times your camp friend yes managed good times yeah so it then it kicked it up to like
01:41:38
the next higher level of like then it got real loud it was really fun uh well thank you for making
01:41:43
that and supporting me on my birthday happy birthday parties are scary and thank you for
01:41:49
doing that well i love that you were like so um you're like it starts at two and i don't know
01:41:56
you were it was like you were really tiptoeing and i'm like oh dude i'm being there i'm gonna
01:41:59
be there at 1 30 that's the whole idea the best is having early friends you have to have early
01:42:04
friends it's so important in one's life to have early friends have friends that yeah have friends
01:42:09
will come and stake out the bench that you want with you yes early we'll be there and like okay
01:42:14
well yeah we'll go to that restaurant we'll eat lunch there and then we'll just take over the
01:42:17
back end sure it like people that are gonna like basically like three to five man team your lizzie and i did it for you for your birthday Exactly So we have to do you know when Lizzie birthday is Sometime
01:42:31
I think it's in November. Okay, good. Because now we have to do it for her. All right.
01:42:34
What's your fucking array? But also when I pulled up, I pulled that crock pot out and I was like, if you can take this,
01:42:39
I will park my car and then bring the rest of the bags myself. Yeah. And she was like, okay.
01:42:44
Yeah. And then I handed her a 90 pound crock pot filled with like the most typical over nacho
01:42:50
cheese yeah it was like a tidal wave of cheese it was good it was great we should have poured in
01:42:54
the pool and gone swimming um it was the first day of like summertime feelings though and i was just
01:43:01
like i am going to be miserable this summer people i don't have a pool by the way it's an apartment
01:43:05
building that has a pool in the fucking george's indoor pool dome with a slide and a life that i
01:43:11
own and it was a million dollars she owns and operates her own pool yeah mine was is just tv
01:43:17
shows because I did watch some uh crime-based tv shows but god damn one of my faves Marcella
01:43:25
or on the show they often call her Marcella but I won't say it that way season two of Marcella
01:43:32
is on Netflix it is better I believe better than season one wow and way darker my friend Molly
01:43:39
Davis texted me and was like she's I think she texted me right after you know how midnight puts
01:43:44
things up i mean netflix put things up at midnight so she texted me like you better be watching this
01:43:50
it was like one of those texts of i hope you're watching this because it's crazy and then i just
01:43:55
binged it all day long oh my god i love it and her sweaters the thing i always talked about for
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season one was like she there's one scene where she has a maroon sweater on that like broke my
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heart for some reason it's like the best sweater i'd ever seen the sweaters just come fast and
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loose in this season sweaters like they knew how good they were last time also she wears a lot of
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pants as floods so she'll have a big pair of like oxford wingtips on or one or the other or both
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and then and then like no socks and then her pants start like it's the cutest look and i'm like i love
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that look and then it's like i always love the look of a girl who's she's probably four foot eight
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oh yeah it's like little little wavy girls can dress like old men and pull it off and it looks
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great yeah that's for them yeah good luck with that i stay in the pool house and then the other
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one is there's there's a series on stars called cb strike that's also british that's great and
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amazing and i i'm only two episodes in but i love it can i suggest a show too i just remember
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there's a show called succession i think it's on hbo it's on hbo oh okay because i looked for that
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on like apple tv and i couldn't find it it's it's hbo okay i think you can get it on i don't know
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it's on HBO but Colin Culkin Macaulay Culkin's little brother oh yeah Colin I think his name
01:45:13
yes I think that doesn't sound right Colin Culkin no no one would do that there's a couple younger
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brothers he he plays the real good actor one yeah he plays the best douchebag he slaps his sister in
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the face it's essentially it's so fucking good it's almost like a veep or really really dark
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Shit. So it's this family. The patriarch is this fucking rich asshole with his own company All his kids are trying to get control of the company Which one is it Kieran Culkin Kieran I knew Colin Culkin wasn a fucking
01:45:44
Kieran. He is so good. He was the Scott Pilgrim's gay roommate in that movie. And he was so excellent in that part.
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Yeah. It's a real succession. It's a fucking great show. I don't know. This girl who plays his sister is fucking excellent, too.
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Succession. I have to watch that. It's really fucking fun. You'll like it. Very good.
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It's like rich people, too. Yeah. So it's like, this is how they live. Sorry. I love it.
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I stood on your. No, you did not. Okay. I almost think we might need to pull our show recommendations out of fucking hooray.
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It's going to make it harder. Yeah. And just have them be like, just do. Yeah, we'll talk about it.
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I mean, we're going to do something. Be more spiritual. Yeah. Thankful. Okay, we'll do it.
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But sometimes I'm just a, I'm just a straight up hermit and I haven't left the house.
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So I can only be thankful for TV shows. I'm thankful for Elvis sitting next to me right now
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and the way he was looking at me when I was telling my story just now did you see it
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yeah he was riveted he was just looking at my face like bitch where's my cookie bitch we are long past my
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the line yeah alright thanks for listening you guys you know do stuff be good be good thanks for your
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