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What's up, Manchester? Manchester! Holy shit! This must be what the fucking Pope feels like.
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This is nuts. Welcome to our first daytime show. It's like being at a festival. And our first church show.
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It's our first church show. That's right. I feel like I'm going to burst into flames at any minute.
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Same, girl. Same. I think I might burst into flames faster because I was supposed to be going to this place for like the past 30 years.
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And I just dipped out. Yeah. They know. Haven't shown up. Who's they? They know.
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Whoever they is. You know. Jesus and his dad? That guy. Yeah. They know. Those two know.
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How's it going, you guys? This is so exciting. We're really excited to be here. We like this place, and we drove by the Hacienda today.
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It's now a hotel or apartments. Yeah, apartments. So it's not as drug-fueled. We don't know that, though. We don't know that.
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That's true. If you can afford those apartments, I bet you can get some drugs, am I right?
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Get yourself some weekend drugs. Oh, yeah, this is crazy. We usually don't have to look into everybody's face.
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I know. It's definitely weird. Let's play a quick recital on our organ. Okay. All right.
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Jesus lighteth all the world, O lovely child of flesh. Be quiet. There it was. I can't, I actually, the kappa guilt is so strong that I'm like,
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are you seriously sarcastically singing a hymn in a fucking church? Are you out of your mind?
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You're doubling down on that hell shit right now. That's how you do it. We've been traveling through Europe for fucking months.
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Four weeks. It's been quite some time based on the smell of the dress I'm wearing right now.
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Oh, my God. You guys are lucky you're down there because the smell is happening.
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Oh, it's like my, at this point, because also my deodorant broke when we were in Stockholm.
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And I just didn't make the time to get more. Did it break or did it just quit? It was like, I'm out of here.
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It was like, I can't go under those armpits anymore. Please leave me out of this problem.
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So when I put the dress on tonight, I was like, this smells like four cats peed on it.
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Four angry cats. Angry cat piss is the worst smell. It really is. When they're happy, it's different.
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It is. It's like pheromones and shit. Angry, it's like acid. It's like cat acid.
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under armpits. You can get that at the hacienda, actually. What's that? Cat acid. Oh, yeah.
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That's the good shit. Oh, just, I don't know what the rules are actually here, but this
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is probably the worst angle you could take a picture of us from. Oh, yeah. Be kind. Be
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kind. No photos allowed. You guys are great. Really, you're ideal. Perfect. Yeah. This
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This side is my best, so you guys, highly encouraged. You guys, no, no. No flank pictures.
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Yeah, I got it. No flanks. So anyway. It weird that we just on the wrong side Yeah It fucking freaking me out man I don know why we did that I don either We walked out and landed let go ahead and take a walk in there it weird you don usually now i can be funny
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there we go home i got high i know right finally and then they're there and we're all in fucking
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church together what the fuck and now we sell you amway this is so weird and afternoony it is and
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this place is haunted from what we've heard that's right it used to be get this a church
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i know right but then it was a bar and then that's why it's haunted is the bar oh okay yeah
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of all the regret so many corners that got barfed in oh no angry ghosts barfs ghosts are bad enough but when it's the ghost of old barf it's so what what do you have to say
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that's true that's it see and that's what you call improv she yes anded me what i was saying was stupid bullshit and she yes anded me anyway listen get someone as your
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hype man no matter what the fuck you're saying and you'll just always sound smart get your beds
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Get your bez. Your what? Oh, yeah, I get it. Sorry, I was pandering. They absolutely were not having it whatsoever.
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It's just like, no. Shit, tough crowd. Nope. Christians. Tough crowd in the daytime.
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Do you think anyone in here actually was like, oh, it's church. Everyone's going.
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I'm going to go. And they're sitting here and they're like, when does church start?
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Why is there a Jewish person on stage? We usually don't allow those in churches.
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This is going to be great because my mom, Janet, oh, it's Mother's Day back home.
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Oh, yeah, in America. Yeah, no, it's fine. Exactly. That's exactly right. It's just a really bummer day for anyone who doesn't have their mom around, doesn't like their mom, you know, many other things.
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It's just a day for people to put hot photos of their mom from when they were younger on Instagram to prove that they are going to be hot when they're older, too.
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Right. Or that their window of hotness has passed. Oh, yeah. Right. Or like when you're like, oh, I see your features in your mom's face,
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but your dad probably isn't that hot. Your dad fucked it up. Yeah. You're really wrong.
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The gene pool shouldn't have. Clearly your dad has a great fucking personality. So congratulations on that as well.
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And, oh, she said to me, she called me before I left for this trip because we never talk, but when I'm going to leave somewhere in case I die,
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she has to say I love you like the day before. And she said to me, are you going to France? And I was like, no,
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mom, we're not going to France. She's like, okay, well, if you do, which we're not.
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She can't go off track. She can't improv. No, she's like, I had a fucking point to tell
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you and it was fucking political and here it is. Don't wear a Jewish star when you go to France.
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When you would never leave you to France. And George is like, well, there go all my outfits.
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Now I just, everything I've planned is out the fucking window. And you know it was political, but I couldn't come back and be like,
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fuck, Trump sucks. Because she doesn't really go that way, but it does. But now when I tell her I'm doing a fucking show in a church,
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oh man, she's going to be pissed and I love it. You're going to be like, mom, I took off my Jewish star, like you said,
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and then I got baptized in Manchester. Yeah. And can holy be to the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost, right?
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I mean they're not that bad mom they're cool guys they're cool people and she asked me for a vase
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you know when you're traveling and the thing you want to pack is a fucking vase I asked her if she wanted anything because I'm obsessed with all your pharmacies and like I
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bought you guys sell codeine over the counter yeah yeah yes that's a fun Friday night in just
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Fucking sipping some cough syrup. Listen, don't do drugs, but sometimes my fucking back hurts.
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And regular Tylenol isn't going to cut it. Sometimes you're just bored. There's lots of reasons.
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Yeah. How are you? So you went ahead and packed a vase? So I went and bought a vase for her because she is my mom.
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She controls you. I haven't had enough therapy yet to get over her. We'll get there.
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We'll get there. Okay. Oh, I have pockets in my dress, by the way. Thank you. Tell them the story of this fine dress.
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When I bought it? No. The part about your tits. Oh, right. Well, so I got this dress for our Los Angeles show that we posted the other day.
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Oh, thanks. Did you like it? And, um, those were the ghosts and it's barf. Um, when I wore it in Los Angeles, when I first put it on, I was like, whoa, that's very plunging neckline.
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Uh, and then, uh, the father and son, the Holy Ghost showed up and they were like, you better cover that fucking up right now.
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You will burn. So in Los Angeles, I wore a slip with it when we got here, our first night in Dublin.
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Um, right. It was pretty fun. It was good. I open up my suitcase. I forgot to bring my slip.
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And then I was just like, oh, fuck it. Who cares? At this point. I just turned 48.
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These aren't going to get any higher. I might as well show them off while they're still up here in some way.
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I agree. Let's get those podcast numbers up. Let get them Sex sells everybody Tits up podcast numbers up It works that way It our new Elvis is out Two tits are in I sorry
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Wait, what? What? No, I'm just saying. For 2019, I'm just saying. Oh, no. It's a pitch.
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We have to have a mascot. Why not my two disembodied breasts? Elvis will retire, or he'll move to the podcast.
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Should we sit down? Yeah. oh man this is gonna be hard not to fucking flash you guys do you think oasis ever sat in these
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chairs oasis sat on these chairs i bet they did and they said get us different chairs
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they said separate these chairs immediately we saw that super hands is gonna be here oh my god
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he's playing everyone looks shocked or did he already play i don't know or did he do something
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scandalous and we're not supposed to talk. Oh, he's good. Okay. Okay. He's good. Cause that just
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keeps fucking happening. Everyone's a pedophile. Oh, I can't say that word in here. Allegedly.
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Allegedly. I think this is the place to say it the most actually. If we're going to be honest,
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look, we're going to be honest, which is what we're all about. Let's get honest.
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then we go into our pedophile chunk get ready we got a tight 8 up top about pedophiles
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it's not funny it's more like a lesson you'll learn something it gets weird, it gets happy
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I'm sorry to interrupt you but I just wanted to say this is the podcast, My Favorite Murder by the way
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speaking of thank you yeah the daytime podcast The daytime. This is just, we just don't want any vampires to come.
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We knew that we could be in a church. We're in Manchester. It's an old fucking town.
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For every single person in this room, this is normal nighttime. And they're just like, why can't they fucking get over it?
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The sun doesn't set very quickly here. We're real used to it. Yeah. It's not a big deal, Americans.
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But it is when you're sitting in front of all these people. It is. it's so much easier when it's all dark and you're like oh they're just one big noise but yeah
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like i can see what you're wearing over there yeah i can see what you're all wearing you're
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all naked i can see that your arms are crossed which i don't appreciate such negative body
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language if you're not a like if you're not a laugher or a motor you're gonna need to do it
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tonight because we need it otherwise this is gonna go poorly in fact feed off of you when you laugh
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it would be great. That didn't happen again. That sounded a lot like a laughing though.
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It did. That would work. When you laugh, if you could do like jazz hands, just like,
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yeah. Yeah, definitely. Please don't. That'd be so weird. If you're new to this podcast
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and someone just dragged you along because you were not busy during the day, apologies.
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So sorry. Oh, that's why you look like that. You're just like, what? We'll win you over.
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What is this cult? You're the only one. He's like, I didn't want to join a cult.
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I said I wanted to go to the movies. It's kind of like a movie. You'll love it. It's great.
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Don't worry about it. It is like a movie. This is a true crime comedy podcast, which isn't the most ideal combination in certain places.
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Try telling that to your cab driver. That's right. Or your customs agent when you're fucking crossing the border.
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Dude, we didn't even think about it. And then when we landed in Ireland, we had to get to customs.
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And then the guy says, what is the purpose of your visit here? And then we're like, well, we're here to podcast.
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And then he's like, what's the name of your podcast? I thought we were going to get arrested because he didn't know what podcasting was.
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Maybe. So then Georgia tells him the name of the podcast. And instead of being, like, offended or grossed out or calling the manager or whatever would happen.
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Pressing the alarm button. Okay. He goes, all right. There was an American girl.
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Come through here. I can't do the accent to you. Sorry. You're doing it. You're doing it.
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I can do the accent in America, and I think I'm all good at it. And then here, I just, like, I'm already flop sweating this accent so hard.
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I have never heard you, like, back out of it so many times on this trip. It's fucking true.
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I'm very intimidated by all of Great Britain. I just love your television so much.
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This is, like, amazing for you. I subscribe to fucking Acorn. That's how much I love British TV.
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That's American app for... They didn't like it. I should have said BBC America. I should have said BBC America.
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Yeah, and he said... Oh, so instead of having any kind of a negative reaction, he goes, oh yeah, an American girl come through here on Friday.
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She told me all about it. And then last night, you hear a yell from the audience.
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Don't do it, but we hear, she's right here! She's right here. That's our sister, grassroots campaigning for us all across.
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Then we invited him to the podcast, or the show, and he couldn't come. He couldn't come.
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He couldn't or wouldn't, and he called his manager. I'm nervous because I don't remember where we put our murders.
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Is this one mine or is this one yours? Oh, right. Oh, that's right. You can't look at them.
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I'm going to look at the last page because I won't know. Nope. Wait. Yes. now I can't remember how many pages long is this is the name Higginbottom in yours no okay
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then this is mine then this one's mine what if there was a Higginbottom in each of our murders tonight that'd be so fucking nuts
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okay yeah yeah yeah now I remember I remember I added it Higginbottom Mr Higginbottom last minute it fine he not a big part of the story I didn ruin it I mopping it My water up that I spit everywhere with this He not a key player He not That why I didn know my own story It fine Everyone fine
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This is the horrifying tale of Dale Higginbottom. No, it's never happened. Hey. Yay.
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Yeah, I think so. I think we're, should we do our murders? I mean, here's the thing.
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Yeah. I would just like to say this. Normally, when we record this podcast, it's me and Georgia and Stephen.
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What if he just started playing the organ from somewhere and he like flew in? He's a vampire organ player.
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Wow. That's the best kept secret in podcasting. Stephen's a vampire. Oh my god, I can see it.
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It's always your least expected, most mustachioed friends. Yep. You can't trust a millennial.
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They're always vampires. They're always vampires. That's true. So yeah, normally it's us, some cats, a couch, recording in a quiet loft in Georgia's apartment.
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Unless someone's playing tennis outside, in which case we're like, fuck, what do we do?
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Right. But now it's noon in a fucking church. On a fucking Sunday. And everyone's eyes look three times bigger than they actually are because we can see your faces.
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I can see the entire. I've never wished for poor vision before in my life. I actually have very poor vision, but it came into very clear view all of a sudden.
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It's like I'm an owl. I'm in a panic owl situation where I'm just like, oh no. thank you for uncrossing your arms that's really nice she did it she did it she wanted to show that
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she cared about me yeah all you gotta do is pick on someone in front of another couple hundred
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people and that's right whatever you tell them to do some on mic bullying will get people to put
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their arms wherever you fucking ask them to um we actually would ask my dad if you're one of these
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people my father watches tv like this i don't know why angry at the tv like he's angry at the
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fucking McNeil Lehrer News Hour or whatever the hell he watches. And it's in a different language and he's trying
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to understand it even though he doesn't know it. Yeah. So if you're a rage watcher,
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if you have like rage face as you watch things, just try to soften those features tonight.
00:20:30
Do what you can. Have a couple extra beers on us. I mean from us. I mean... Near us. About us. Around.
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Toward us. Right. But I can also see the two empty seats over there and when those
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motherfuckers come in here... Ooh, they're going to get it because I can see, I'm going to see everything.
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Their tattoos, they've been crying because they're fighting on their way over here, which is why they're late.
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I mean, I'm trying to think of what a great prank would be if they walked in and sat down and then all of us did something together.
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We yell Hig and Bottom at the same time. But don't yell it until their butts hit the seats.
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They're like sneaking real quiet. Then we all scream Hig and Bottom, but you have to remember to do it.
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This is how this goes, and so I go first tonight. Can I just tell you, I made a grave error last night.
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I decided to... Wait, let's set this page. So you were at the show. Oh, they're nodding.
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London, huge fucking theater. Humongous theater, and I did Jack the Ripper. And as I was talking, I was just like,
00:24:19
everyone in this audience knows this murder so much better than me. And they're mentally correcting me.
00:24:26
Right? Exactly. You did great, they said. You can't lie in church. Sorry, I was not fishing for compliments, but...
00:24:40
No, that was actually hilarious, because they were also trying to do it like not hecklers.
00:24:44
They were just like... Yeah. Manchester sign language, thank you. Actually, from here, I always thought you were like this.
00:24:54
Fuck off. You fucked it up. Let it go. oh sorry no this i love it i um also i want to say this but then i'm afraid i'm going to tip yours
00:25:05
but don't you while we were on stage last night there the famous serial killer dennis nelson died
00:25:13
while we were on stage yeah i think the power of murder our our family yes killed him of our
00:25:23
family discussion about murder killed that man there were people rolling up into that vip meet
00:25:29
and greet like we have the best news for you it was pretty great it was so awesome okay sorry okay
00:25:36
okay here we go feel free to stop me at any time okay if you think of anything oh thank you so much
00:25:41
okay i'm gonna tell you the story of the first woman executed at manchester strange ways prison
00:25:48
Marianne Britland. Oh. A bad lady. That was a mouthful. Their friend guessed it, huh?
00:25:55
Or is her ghost over there? Strange Ways is right over there? I think I mentioned her.
00:26:01
Don't. What? No. You two are in trouble. Here's the thing. Sit in those seats. In the dark, people can gesture all they want.
00:26:09
We have no idea that they're doing it. Stop pointing over there. I see everything about you.
00:26:18
Okay. All right. I'm going to tell you guys the story of this girl's great, great, great aunt.
00:26:25
What? Good. So I'm going to tell you. Okay. Mary Ann Britland was born in 1847 in Bolton, Lancashire.
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Oh. Lancashire. Lancashire. At the age of 19, she marries a dude named Thomas Britland.
00:26:45
He's a domestic servant. They live in a small house on Turner Lane in Ashton-under-Line.
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Okay. Great. That's the mayor. Hi. Thank you so much for being here tonight. So they have two daughters named Elizabeth, Hannah, and Susanna.
00:27:08
Oh, that's Ryan. That's three names, though. I know. I know. Elizabeth Hannah's the first daughter.
00:27:14
Got it, got it. She hates her name. By the time Mary Ann's children are in their teens, she's in their late 30s,
00:27:22
she's got two jobs, working all day in a factory, and then she works at night as a barmaid
00:27:28
in the local pub house. So probably not the fucking coolest life ever, right? No. And her feet hurt.
00:27:34
Her feet are killing her. She's tired. But she also sucks, because. Oh. Everything began for this story on February of 1886.
00:27:48
Mary notices that her family home has been infested with mice. So she did what any person in the 1800s would do at that time
00:27:57
and went to the town chemist and bought a shit ton of rat poison. Or mice poison. I don't know. Is there a difference?
00:28:02
It just comes in a little bottle. Cute. Mice poison. Specifically, she bought a packet of Harrison's Vermin Killer.
00:28:10
That's what it was called, and I like the name. Which contained both strychnine and arsenic.
00:28:15
Great. They were really already on to the we know that you're poisoning each other game
00:28:21
because they had a poison register to be like, we know. So poisoning got so popular by this time.
00:28:29
I think so. It was like a wedding registry, but poison. Best of luck. You say you have rats, eh?
00:28:37
All right, Mr. Higginbotham. So, and she signed her real name, which I'm sure, like, they didn't ask for ID back then, right?
00:28:46
So, that probably meant that she didn't have any intention of killing anyone, one would think.
00:28:51
But at some point during the next month, she was like, wait a minute. I hate some people.
00:28:58
And more than mice, let's see what can happen. So, in March, 1886, our friend Elizabeth Hannah, she's the eldest daughter.
00:29:09
She's 19 years old, and she dies unexpectedly. The cause of death is given as natural causes, as most 19-year-olds fucking do.
00:29:18
Although it was back when you had to work all day and night. That's right. That's right.
00:29:24
That's historical knowledge right there for you. Ask me anything, AMA, about the past.
00:29:31
and um mary ann claims the 10 pound life insurance on elizabeth's life that would be 900 pounds today
00:29:41
or for you karen a thousand dollars oh now i understand a thousand dollars so not a ton of
00:29:48
money um mary must have been like this is fucking great i gonna do this again because two months later on March 3rd 1886 Mary goes and pays the she doesn seem very smart Sorry no offense to your family line She goes and pays the premium on her husband insurance
00:30:06
and on her way home, basically, is like, I'm going to fucking kill him. Because within a couple days, he's dead.
00:30:14
Thomas Britland, he's 44, he's found dead. His death is diagnosed with epilepsy,
00:30:21
and again, she claims the 10-pound insurance on him. As an epileptic, can you die of epilepsy?
00:30:29
You can, but it's... I was told you can't. Will someone lie to you? I'm kind of holding on to that, you know, pretty tightly.
00:30:37
Well, it said, don't worry. It says only really happens when children and old people.
00:30:42
I just turned 48. I guess, yeah, I guess 44 is pretty old back then, probably, right?
00:30:49
They were like, he died of old age. Yeah. Back then, I was like, Jesus, that guy made it to 44.
00:30:56
Right. And then now the neighbors are like, hold up. There's something going on.
00:31:01
And they do what they do. What neighbors do is they start gossiping. Yeah. Of course they do.
00:31:05
Because they're like, two deaths in two months. That seems weird. It does, though.
00:31:09
It does seem weird. They're right to gossip. They are. And it turns out that Mary had been having an affair with her neighbor.
00:31:17
I know. You guys don't have that here? Ooh, it's like this is what we came for. They were smooching.
00:31:29
They were totally Frenching under the stairs. Here, can I do this? Mmm. Thank you.
00:31:38
That's how the neighbors were gossiping in the street. She goes like this, and he goes like this.
00:31:45
Okay, so that was the wrong. All right. That got dirty fast. His name, the dude she's hooking up with is also named Thomas, because every guy back then was named Thomas, I guess.
00:31:58
It's easier. It is. They're mostly meeting clandestinely at night, and Mary works in a pub at night, so it's not that weird that she's gone all night.
00:32:06
She's like, I'm sorry, I have to run back to the make-out room really quick. I'll be right back.
00:32:10
Oh, shit. I meant the... Okay. So their secret love affair is threatened when the now deceased daughter, Elizabeth Hannah,
00:32:19
she had turned 18 so she could go to the pubs and shit, and maybe she was fucking catching them hooking up and not happy about it.
00:32:27
So they were trying to be more discreet, but a few times she was sure that Elizabeth had seen them together.
00:32:33
And so she was thinking that Elizabeth was going to tell her father. So she did the only thing she could think of doing, and she killed her daughter.
00:32:41
It's not a solution. No. No. I mean, it is, but it's not the best one. Okay, you're right.
00:32:49
It's one option, but there's so many others. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she's like, well, I also hate sneaking around behind my husband's back, so I'm going to kill him.
00:32:59
So that's what happened. That's why they're dead. That's the problem with easy solutions like that.
00:33:04
Then you just keep going back to the same thing over and over. Like, for instance.
00:33:09
Oh. The only thing left in Mary's way is her lover Thomas' 29-year-old wife. Oh, shit.
00:33:17
Also named Mary. So Thomas and Mary live across the street from Thomas and Mary,
00:33:22
and Mary is looking up with Mary's husband, Thomas. How do those gossips keep track of what they're saying?
00:33:29
I don't know. Like, let's get original, people. That's when all the nickname stuff started.
00:33:35
And then they're just like, rhyme their name with some weird thing. Yeah. Remember last night, my nickname that I made up?
00:33:42
That everyone booed? It was bad. It was bad. I'm not telling you guys. Tell them.
00:33:48
No! They won't react that way because they'll know that it scared us and upset us.
00:33:52
We were joking around and making up dumb nicknames based on what your husband's job is.
00:33:59
One of the victims of Jack the Ripper lived with a guy that made wire siths, so they called her Mary Sivvy or Annie Sivvy.
00:34:07
something just horrible so then georgia's like well what if my nickname is based on vince who's
00:34:12
our tour manager so she called herself georgia tory but not like that i know don't boo me we told
00:34:21
you not to boo us we can see your faces making the boo face it's twice as bad as normal booing
00:34:29
daytime booing is the worst oh my god yeah um so mary the 20 the young wife mary is like oh my god
00:34:40
i feel so bad for the other mary for all the people dying in her family and she's like older
00:34:46
murderer mary come live come stay with us and we'll take care of you for a couple weeks while
00:34:50
you grieve no yes that was her idea yeah oh mary she's like i know honey so a couple weeks after
00:34:58
Thomas's death, Killer Mary, no, no, no, young Mary is like, Killer Mary, come over, like, Thomas is going to be
00:35:08
gone, come over, let's hang out, we'll have some rosé, we'll like sing into hairbrushes.
00:35:13
We'll gossip about the other people on the street, how much they gossip. They didn't tell me anything, and it really
00:35:18
would have helped me out if they had told me what was going on. So they make dinner and everything,
00:35:24
and then they part ways and the following morning May 14th, 1886 Thomas comes home, the alive Thomas
00:35:34
comes home around 10am and he finds his wife. We'll assume that people come home, if they come
00:35:40
home they're living. Yes. From now on in this story. I don't know man didn't you, didn't Jesus just
00:35:46
come back a couple days ago? Don't come on, him in here Didn't your bro come back?
00:35:55
Okay Okay Living Thomas comes home Comes home finds his wife sick and dying Oh no She dies Sorry
00:36:05
I know, it sucks. So Mary was like, great, now that the other Mary's gone, the other Thomas is going to be like, stoked and come marry me.
00:36:15
I'm so excited about this. Alive Thomas gets 29 pounds from the death of his wife.
00:36:22
and she's like, okay, I'm going to hang out right here and wait for him to come marry me.
00:36:28
And instead the fucking police come. Because the neighbors are like, okay, wait a minute.
00:36:35
This is no coincidence. This is bad for our street. People just keep dying of rat poison.
00:36:40
Over on Thomas Street. It's Thomas and Mary Lane. Turner Lane in Ashton Underline.
00:36:51
Symptoms. nearest. Okay, so they're like, this is crazy. Let's call the cops. The cops are like, great.
00:36:56
Let's fucking exhume the bodies, which they do. And then, um, is your name Lindsay? Yeah,
00:37:04
is that your name? Okay. In her email, she says, my favorite thing about this whole case was in a
00:37:11
Times article my mom found about the trial where the pathologist gave details to the court about
00:37:15
how he tested the victim's stomach contents by tasting them. No. Thank you. Like, that was my favorite part.
00:37:24
Wait, what if... Isn't that crazy that she's up there? But what if that's just gossip?
00:37:28
It's the best gossip. It runs in her family. No, Mary doesn't gossip. She kills people.
00:37:34
Oh. Everyone else here gossips. Right? Now they're mad. No. They've been mad for a long time at me.
00:37:43
Tasting stomach contents. Uh-huh. And he's like, that tastes like lethal amounts of strychnine and arsenic.
00:37:51
It's just like a bowl of roasted almonds in there. Can you, oh, gross. Gross. So Mary Britland and Thomas Dixon are brought in for questioning.
00:38:04
It's said that Mary confesses immediately, but it sounds weird because later she denies it.
00:38:08
And she said that she murdered her daughter because she thought her daughter suspected her of having an affair.
00:38:12
then she killed her husband, then for the reasons I just told you. Okay. The trial starts, and it's just only against Mary Dixon's murder,
00:38:24
because I think they just would pick one and do it. They could only taste one stomach content full of...
00:38:29
Yeah, the doctor died when he tried to find out what the other person died of. He died of being grossed out.
00:38:35
And pretty quickly, this dude Thomas is acquitted. They don't think he had anything to do with it at all,
00:38:41
which some people in history are like, I'm sorry, that doesn't seem right. Yeah.
00:38:46
You know? And let's see. So Susanna Britland, the younger daughter, testifies against her mom emotionally.
00:38:56
She said she had heard Mr. Dixon say that he wished he had a wife like Mary, which he did have a wife named Mary.
00:39:03
What more do you want? I mean, they can't have been that different. Right? Is that how that works?
00:39:13
He is a type, but then when he goes to have an affair, it's just some person that he's just not attracted to in any way.
00:39:21
And let's see. And she also says that she had heard her dad pissed off that this neighbor Thomas used to come over all the time.
00:39:30
So she was like, they're probably fucking. Right in court, she said it? Uh-huh. In the 18th. Can you believe it?
00:39:36
And she said she knew there were mice in the house, but she didn't know anything about the purchase of any mouse powder.
00:39:41
So I don't know what that means. But her mom didn't come and be like, I've taken care of everything with my, the thing I'm only going to use for one reason.
00:39:51
That's right. And none other. So in the end, there's insufficient evidence that Dixon had anything to do with it, and he's acquitted.
00:39:58
But they find Mary guilty on all charges, and she's sentenced to be hanged. And she says, I am quite innocent.
00:40:06
I am not guilty at all. But apparently she actually fucking loses her shit. Like she just kind of breaks down.
00:40:13
And part of the reason I think, and I read it somewhere else, that she just like wouldn't, it was only three weeks until they hanged her.
00:40:19
And she wouldn't eat and she was just screaming and praying. But apparently her prison cell was just like right there from the gallows.
00:40:28
So she just hung out and stared for three fucking weeks at the place she was going to be hanged.
00:40:33
I bet they did that on purpose. I think so too. And they said it was in the men's prison area because they'd never hanged a woman before.
00:40:41
So I'm sure it wasn't fun there. Oh, God. Those other prisoners hated her guts. Shut up.
00:40:48
So Mary Ann Brittlin was hanged three weeks later at Strangeways Prison on August 9th, 1886.
00:40:54
She had to be forcibly carried to the gallows and held over the trap door. And she couldn't stand or anything.
00:41:03
So they just boop. I know. it's awful i mean it makes sense yeah they should have said they should have been like
00:41:13
oh no you're just going to come over here really quick for a pint it'll be fun just
00:41:18
just follow me use your legs who among us would be losing our shit and she said her last words were lord forgive me i must have been mad
00:41:29
so that kind of seems like you know i keep hitting myself in the face with this microphone
00:41:34
And since I can see everything you're saying and doing, you can probably see that I'm doing that.
00:41:41
Okay. And then there's a chick named Cassie Britland. She started a blog called Archives and Arsenic because she was at a journalism school in Sydney, Australia.
00:41:52
And they were like look up your family and write some shit about your family And she was like okay And then she was like oh shit this person was my great or whatever So you have a cousin in fucking Sydney
00:42:06
So she's researching it. She came here and went to all the spots and took photos
00:42:10
and she's writing a book about it. She hasn't updated her blog since 2017, so I hope she's okay.
00:42:16
But I get it, man, those blogs. They're hard to keep up with. They just never end.
00:42:21
That's the thing about blogs. They don't. There's no end to it. she says so then she was like
00:42:26
she's trying to find out what happened for real what happened to this daughter Susanna and so
00:42:31
she looked her up she found that she had married a man named James Higginbottom there he is
00:42:40
Whitworth is his last name sorry in 1896 and then he had died 10 years later so Susanna
00:42:49
hadn't had any children and she was widowed and then she was like I couldn't find any more
00:42:53
information about her. There was a 2011 census and she wasn't counted in it. And then she did
00:43:00
all this research and it turns out here in 2011 nope 1911. I was gonna say she's a
00:43:09
vampire. You were gonna say I wish you had because I could have just kept going.
00:43:16
So in 1911 But I was the one that called Whitechapel Whitecastle last night. That's right.
00:43:21
So who am I to say, really? Who am I to say what year anything is or what the name of anything is?
00:43:30
So it turns out that here in Manchester in 1911, all the suffragists were like, yeah, we can't vote.
00:43:38
Then you can't fucking count us. And they hid during the census and wouldn't allow anyone to count them.
00:43:45
so there's like no record of all these women during that time and since she was a widow with
00:43:52
no children she didn't have a husband to be like like i guess a lot of the husbands turned their
00:43:56
wives in and made them do it wow so like the point that we want why we want to vote you know
00:44:01
like you're just kind of fucking proved like our point um so they she did this girl uh cassie did
00:44:08
find a date of death for a woman named Susanna Britlin in 1932. So that's probably her. We're
00:44:15
going to pretend she was a suffragette because that's awesome. Yeah, that's good for the movie.
00:44:19
Yeah, exactly. And that's the story of Marianne Britlin, the first woman executed at Manchester
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Goodbye. The story of the suffragettes hiding from the census takers makes me think of when we were in, I think this was in Stockholm.
00:47:40
They told us this story afterwards, because I did the story of the serial killer Thomas
00:47:48
Quick, who it starts out, in the beginning of it, it starts out, he realizes he's gay
00:47:55
when he's like 14, and at the time in Sweden, that was... They considered that as like a psychological issue.
00:48:04
And in the meet and greet afterwards, a woman told us that the way they changed that law in the 70s,
00:48:11
that gay people started calling in gay to work. And they just, they're like, oh, so you think this is a sickness?
00:48:18
Well, then I can't come to work because I'm sick with gayness. Isn't that amazing?
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Isn't that the fucking best? And they turned it around. I was... That's the other part of doing these live shows
00:48:32
that's so frustrating, is we know as we tell these stories, there's people sitting in the audience going,
00:48:37
I just want to tell you this one thing. I swear to God, it'll be worth it. She was my great great aunt.
00:48:42
Okay. My story tonight is Trevor Hardy, The Beast of Manchester. Ooh. And it is bad.
00:48:53
and I'd never heard it before and so Stephen when we go on these trips, Stephen finds a bunch
00:49:01
of ideas for us, so he'll send us both, because we can't know what the other person's
00:49:05
doing, is part of the fun of it and part of it that means is that we ask we say, Stephen, can I do this murder?
00:49:11
and if he says no, that means you know what the other person's doing, so he has to give us
00:49:15
poor guy, has to give us each a list of different murders he tries to do like eight
00:49:21
maybe or whatever per place that we go to. We pay him. We pay him. We do. We pay him handsomely.
00:49:31
So on this one, this was on the list, and I think that I don't know this for a fact because
00:49:36
I haven't talked to him, but I think the reason that he found this is because just last month
00:49:41
there's this incredible article that was written for real crime, and it's by a person named
00:49:48
Abby Bentham. it's A-B-Y so I'm pronouncing it Abby it might be A-B but and the article is called
00:49:57
Manchester's Forgotten Monster and it was basically all about how this story never really made it to the press
00:50:04
in the way it should have because the things that this man did were so incredibly
00:50:09
atrocious and terrifying and yet he just kind of got lost to history. I feel like if the press is like
00:50:15
we can't write about that then it's really fucking bad. No you know what it was his crimes fell within the five-year range of the Yorkshire Ripper.
00:50:24
So she actually, or he, they, I should say, because I don't know who this person is,
00:50:30
but they talk about it in the article. It's really interesting. They talk about the media's concept of the ideal victim,
00:50:39
what they think the best thing is to write about. And it's a thing that we kind of deal with a lot,
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where it's like, what is the story? What's the story that's most interesting? How are we going to tell a story that's the most interesting?
00:50:51
And so in the media, the ideal victim is either very young or very old. They're very innocent.
00:50:57
They live this life. And that's why when you have marginalized murder, but the murders of marginalized people, sex workers,
00:51:04
people that people can judge as they read the story and go, oh, well, then they were asking for it if that happened to them.
00:51:11
Then the press won't report on it as much because it's not giving everybody that salacious,
00:51:16
like, oh, my God, this horrible thing happened, which is really one of the more fucked up things about the media and about true crime reporting
00:51:23
that I think now that so many people are so interested in true crime and participating in it,
00:51:29
I think it's the thing that it's going to change or hopefully will be changing soon.
00:51:34
So anyway. Because, you know. Head mic. Then I put my Eurovision head mic on and start Ted talking to all of you.
00:51:52
I got all of that from this article, so none of that. I mean, I know just the experience that you and I have had.
00:51:59
Because there are people that were really met for a long time. Like in the beginning, there were stories that we didn't do,
00:52:04
and it's because they were so fraught. like the grim sleeper in Los Angeles is a man who, basically in South Central Los Angeles,
00:52:15
which is predominantly African Americans, he killed women there for 25 fucking years.
00:52:22
And not only did nobody talk about it, and not only was there no media reporting on it at all,
00:52:27
but the police, when these murders would happen, they had like a nickname for the victims,
00:52:34
where it was just like, it was basically, I can't remember what it was offhand, but it's just like, these people don't matter.
00:52:39
I think it was the less dead. No, that's something else. But I mean, it's just that there's an old way, I think,
00:52:46
there's an old procedure within the police and the media of this idea that when they're reporting about these people,
00:52:55
these aren't human beings. And I think that's the thing that's changing. And that's the thing that everyone's realizing is
00:53:00
that kind of bias and judgment is what's keeping fucking serial killers free to roam the planet
00:53:06
because they're just saying, oh, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that all of these people have
00:53:11
been murdered. So there will be a quiz later. Anyway, anyway, Trevor Hardy. Okay. Trevor Hardy
00:53:22
was born in Manchester, June 11th, 1945. By the time he's eight years old, he appears in court for
00:53:29
stealing uh actually in front of a fucking judge an eight-year-old yeah think of the average eight
00:53:35
year old that you know going to court to be like uh not guilty your honor not guilty um and that
00:53:43
appearance in court didn't scare him straight because um then he was arrested after committing
00:53:49
a series of 20 burglaries and he um uh made the record at the age of 15 as being the youngest person ever to be sent to Strange Ways prison Oh good for him Isn that precious Yeah And this began He probably beat a bunch of inmates up and shit too
00:54:06
Yeah, that's right. Just fucking kicking people in the shins. Threatening to steal people's bikes all over the prison.
00:54:15
Okay, so this begins his lifelong journey of crime. The other thing about this story is they didn't, because they didn't report on it,
00:54:22
there's not that much information. there is nothing I would love more than to find out what the fuck was going on with this guy.
00:54:28
I mean, he may have been one of those people that was born a psychopath, or at least a sociopath, because he just starts so early, and it's so bad so early.
00:54:39
So his first crime, it's in 1972, and he gets into a fight with his friend Stanley O'Brien.
00:54:48
They're at a pub having drinks. they get into a fight and he attacks stanley with a pickaxe what do pups have pickaxes
00:54:57
they're like there's like an umbrella stand at the front door and then of course you can put
00:55:04
your pickaxe right over there they're not even like easy to carry around there it's also like
00:55:09
maybe in the 1800s i could see a pickaxe stand but this is 1970 i don't think they have those
00:55:13
anymore unless it was like hung up on the wall for decoration and then he's like are you fucking
00:55:18
kidding me? Oh, you really? Really? You think that? And just rips down the decoration?
00:55:24
Yeah. It's a pickaxe that was like on a wreath. Anyway. So he fucking attacks his friend with a pickaxe
00:55:32
in a pub. He's sentenced to five years for assault at the Isle of Wights Albany Jail.
00:55:38
The judge tells him when he sentences him that he's a menace to society. He's like, dude, I know. I've been doing
00:55:44
this since I ate. Can I remind you? A pickaxe at a pub. a pickaxe. No shit. So while he's in prison,
00:55:52
he starts planning the murders of both Stanley. So he's like, he thinks Stanley has double-crossed him.
00:56:00
So he's like, I'm going to kill Stanley and I'm also going to kill, so he had like, they used
00:56:06
the word girlfriend, I don't know. A girl, a 14-year-old named Beverly Driver. Oh. Wait, how old is he again?
00:56:13
In 1972, let's see, he's born in 45, and it's 1972. So he is, and I quote, 28. 28, I said.
00:56:27
28. Did you guys get... Yeah, so he's going out with, or he likes a girl half his age, literally.
00:56:36
Cute. Okay, so while he's in jail, Beverly has to write him a letter, like on binder paper,
00:56:43
that says basically, I found a boy my own age to date. I'm 14. You're a pedophile.
00:56:49
And my parents say I can't date a pedophile. They're such assholes. Black eyeliner.
00:56:58
Yeah. Yes. Yeah, so she basically has to write him a dear John letter in... I was about to say in church.
00:57:08
You are going to hell for sure. All better. so she writes him that letter and so basically he's furious it's it sounds like he's always
00:57:18
furious so um so he starts planning the murders of stanley and beverly and that's his thing when
00:57:25
he gets out of prison so he's he's sentenced to five years he's like when i'm out of here i'm
00:57:29
gonna go home i'm gonna fucking kill both of them well luckily two years later he is released from
00:57:34
prison and he later told the police that on his the train ride home um after his release uh he
00:57:42
He said, I sat on the train saying O'Brien and Beverly over and over again. That's what I did on the train over here today.
00:57:50
I was like, what's happening? Just rocking back and forth. I ate a sandwich. And then I said it again.
00:57:57
Well, so he, when he gets home, his parents tell him that, oh, we're so sorry, your friend Stanley O'Brien has died.
00:58:06
Shut up. Yes. And he's fucking livid, of course. Oh, my God. He's livid. You got what you wanted, dude.
00:58:13
But that's not he wanted to do it. It was his idea. I wanted to do it. Okay, so he moves on to his plan to kill 14-year-old Beverly.
00:58:23
And his plan is he's going to go over to Beverly's house and throw an axe through her window.
00:58:30
I don't think it's going to work. It's not the most accurate way to do it. It's definitely medieval, but it's not.
00:58:37
You know what I'm going to say. It's not accurate. Really? I was right. Applause for that?
00:58:45
Yes, let them have it. Let them have it. They need this. I bet this is about to get really bad.
00:58:51
It's going to be awful. Okay. We all enjoyed ourselves. Okay, that's nice. Okay, so it's New Year's Eve 1974,
00:58:59
and Trevor goes to Beverly's house to throw an axe toward her, but he can't find her.
00:59:08
And while he's, like, walking around looking for her, he sees a girl get out of a car that he thinks is beverly but sadly it is actually 15 year old
00:59:18
leslie stewart he ambushes leslie he stabs her in the throat then he takes her body to a clay
00:59:24
pit in newton heath and he buries her in a shallow grave but first he decapitates her
00:59:30
and throws her head in a lake oh so this isn't just like the spurned lover type of thing this
00:59:36
This guy is super fucking nuts. Then he starts to worry after he does that, that her body might be discovered.
00:59:44
So he keeps going back to the grave site and basically desecrating the body, thinking if
00:59:50
he buries the different parts in different places it get less likely that she be identified Oh my god Yeah it horrifying And he also at one point one of those trips going back he steals her ring and he gives it to his girlfriend
01:00:05
No. Yeah, cheap fucking bastard. So because of the way he attacked Leslie, there was no evidence.
01:00:17
It was just like all of a sudden she disappeared on New Year's Eve. So there was no proof of any crime or wrongdoing.
01:00:24
so her parents just had her listed as a missing person and she remained that way for two full
01:00:30
years with no one knowing what happened and i'm sure back then because it's 1974 the cops were
01:00:35
like she ran away she'll be back it was new year's eve she went and partied um okay so then a little
01:00:40
over six months after leslie's murder 17 year old wanda scala is walking home after fishing
01:00:46
finishing a night at work as a barmaid at the light bone hotel uh she's 400 yards away from home
01:00:53
which is sickening and trevor hardy tries to mug her he tries to steal her purse of course she
01:01:00
fucking fights back she starts screaming he sees that there's people that heard her scream so she
01:01:05
pulled he pulls her into like around the corner and starts hitting like attacking her with a brick
01:01:11
and um he he he takes the purse like she falls of course she's hurt terribly takes her purse he
01:01:20
starts to run away then he realizes she can identify him because she's seen him so he goes
01:01:25
back and he beats her with a paving stone he strangles her he and sorry this is really really
01:01:33
fucking bad and this there's a thing we once said on this podcast because it's so awful and sensitive
01:01:38
we said once leave the eyes and the boobies alone but he does not fucking do that and it's
01:01:44
Really horrible. So, and this is also a weird thing because basically he's like a frenzy killer.
01:01:52
So as he goes back and he starts attacking her, you know, he's strangling her and he bites off her nipples.
01:01:59
Oh. And then he pulls out her ass. Yeah, it's awful. He leaves her mutilated body, partially buried at a construction site,
01:02:09
and he takes her bloody clothes, her purse, and her shoes as a trophy and leaves.
01:02:16
In this article, they say that there's a retired cop who had to be there and the cop tells a story that when they got there,
01:02:25
all the cops were told that they had to search the construction site to try to find the eyes.
01:02:31
They were buried in her abdomen. What? Yeah. I wonder if anything like this has ever happened in this church.
01:02:41
Just the worst fucking thing. That's why I think all the bartenders just walked out.
01:02:45
I know. Quit their job. And then they went on strike. Yeah, no, this guy is the worst.
01:02:52
So two days later, he takes her shoes, goes back to the construction site, and leaves them there to fucking taunt the cops.
01:02:58
Right. Yeah. So because he's a legit psychopath, he then a couple days later is drinking with his brother colin and uh he starts to brag to him that
01:03:10
he's the one that killed wanda and tells tells his brother how he did it um when they get home
01:03:15
he realizes colin might tell on him he's one of these people that does shit and then thinks about
01:03:21
it afterwards it drives me crazy um so then he's like afterwards he's like oh you can't fucking
01:03:26
tell on me and then he beats his brother until he is unconscious to like you know put the fear of
01:03:32
gotten him not to fucking tell on him but why'd you tell him right because he's like a drunk and
01:03:37
bragging you should beat yourself up if only if only so uh his brother the next day even though
01:03:45
he's scared of his clearly lunatic criminal brother calls the cops anyway so uh call uh
01:03:51
trevor hardy's arrested under suspicion of murder um because the manchester police are like oh oh
01:03:57
You think pickaxe, boy? Okay, yeah, we're with that. That adds up. That makes sense.
01:04:03
When they have him in custody, they test his saliva against the saliva that was found on Wanda's body.
01:04:09
It's a match. Then with his dental records, they match the bite marks on her body to his dental records.
01:04:18
But for some reason, that's not enough to hold him. How did I know that he wasn't going to be held?
01:04:23
Because I have two more pages of this fucking shit left. Always like this. Because also, Trevor has a girlfriend named Sheila Farrow.
01:04:36
She's a divorcee who's 10 years older than him. No judgments. I'm 10 years older than everyone I know.
01:04:43
And a divorcee. It's a fun life. She shows up at the police station and gives him an alibi.
01:04:52
She's like, oh, he was with me. It's not him. Yeah, Sheila, take a bow. So this story is published in several newspapers.
01:05:05
Okay, this is gossip, basically. Because there's a dental expert or whatever that was kind of saying,
01:05:13
yeah, I don't think that's true. But the story is that while he is in custody, the way he beat that dental record thing,
01:05:19
this is the creepiest, is that Sheila smuggled a file into jail for him, and he filed his teeth into points.
01:05:29
Shut up. Okay. No, no, no. That means keep going. Holy shit. Yeah, I mean, not that alone.
01:05:37
But I also think that's that kind of thing. That's gossip. That basically reflects how scared people in Manchester were.
01:05:43
There's a fucking lunatic, horrible, like, serial killer out on the loose, and once they find out who it is, it's just like, okay, well, he's a monster.
01:05:53
It that idea that it so much easier to believe that werewolves kill people instead of that no monsters are actually human people that live next door to you Okay That a fun thing to take home for tonight
01:06:08
Eight months later, on March 5th, 1976, Trevor Hardy attacks 21-year-old Christian Campbell.
01:06:16
He accuses her of kissing his girlfriend, Sheila. and he attacks her so viciously
01:06:24
he tries to strangle her to death and at one point she bites part of her own tongue off
01:06:29
like fighting him and in the beating but she actually gets away from him and escapes.
01:06:34
So now, yes, it's awesome. And the cool thing is she knows who he is. So he has to go on the run.
01:06:43
So he's on the lam, sleeping in abandoned houses. He's basically tried to disappear himself
01:06:50
and he's gone back to burglary to keep himself alive because he didn't have any money, anywhere to stay.
01:06:56
But unfortunately, during one of these break-ins is when he kills his next victim.
01:07:00
So 18-year-old Sharon Mosoff is on her way home after an office party, and she comes upon Trevor Hardy
01:07:07
trying to break into the Marlboro Mill. And he sees her, realizes that she's a witness,
01:07:15
and he stabs her with a screwdriver. and then basically in that, the beginning of the killing, of course, goes into his fucking frenzy
01:07:22
and does the same thing to her, strangles her with her own tights, bites off her nipples.
01:07:27
Then he throws her body into the Rochdale Canal. Afterwards, again, he becomes so paranoid afterwards that the dental, the bite marks,
01:07:38
he'll be able to be identified by them. This canal is partially frozen, and he jumps into it to then desecrate her body even more.
01:07:48
She ends up having 64 slashes and stab wounds in the canal. He's a monster. Her body's discovered the next day.
01:07:58
So he actually escapes capture for six more weeks. But meanwhile, the police have started surveilling Sheila Farrow.
01:08:07
so on April 23rd 1976 where are we? what church am I in? 1976 she goes to a house on Wellington Road in Stockport
01:08:21
and they find Trevor Hardy there and they arrest him I know so she basically ends up
01:08:33
recanting the fucking alibi that she gave for him the night of Wanda's murder yeah bitch
01:08:39
and once he finds out that she's recanted and they basically have him he writes a 40 page confession letter
01:08:46
and details the murders of Wanda Scala Sharon Mosa and then to the surprise of the police
01:08:52
Leslie Stewart I bet it's a great writer I bet it's just well written and well thought out
01:08:58
and punctuated correctly really nice handwriting in court he tries to claim that he's mentally abnormal.
01:09:08
I don't disagree. I don't disagree. But clearly, he's not mentally incapacitated.
01:09:14
He knew exactly what he was doing the whole time. So he wants to get manslaughter
01:09:20
because he says he's mentally incapacitated. And that's what the judge did. No! The judge giggled like a girl.
01:09:27
Oh, good. I thought you might have given him manslaughter. No, no, no, no. The judge, Manchester Crown Court,
01:09:32
giggled like a girl. immediately was like, fuck yourself forever. Of course, at one point,
01:09:40
Trevor Hardy fires his own legal team, which is what every serial killer psychopath does, because they think they're smarter
01:09:46
than everybody. And it doesn't matter, because on May 2nd, 1978, Trevor Hardy is sentenced
01:09:54
to life in Wakefield Prison for triple murder. Yeah, it's good news. in 2008 he's asked to be released wait he's still alive in 2000 yeah in 2008 he was still alive he
01:10:09
had served 30 years oh my god and uh that was like the the minimum sentence what did he look like
01:10:17
did he look crazy no you know what he looked like i can't think of there's like a character actor
01:10:21
that he definitely looks like but he has like a little mustache okay and he's kind of balding but
01:10:26
he has like a widow's peak. Is it greasy? A little bit, yeah. I think I've seen him. He kind of looks
01:10:32
like a waiter that would creep you out. Yeah. Is it like he looks like Pee Wee Herman and as a waiter?
01:10:38
No, because he's stockier than that. Oh, okay. And there was something mentioned in the article
01:10:43
about how he was five foot six. Like that's attributing to what he was doing. He's all mad
01:10:51
that he's five foot six. I don't know. That doesn't seem that short to me. But yeah, so essentially he asks,
01:10:59
he's like, okay, I've done the 30 years. Isn't that plenty? And they're like, no, fuck you forever.
01:11:05
His plea is rejected. And on September 23rd, 2012, he collapses in his cell. And two days later,
01:11:11
he dies in prison at the age of 67. Yay. Yeah. Just a tiny bit more good news. No one visited him in prison for the last 15 years of his life.
01:11:31
Wow. And the only person at his funeral was his estranged brother, Colin. Colin went to his funeral?
01:11:39
Yeah. Oh, man. Just one guy standing there like, I fucking hated this guy. But mom would want me to be here.
01:11:48
Right. And that's Trevor Hardy, the Beast of Manchester, you guys. Oh, my God. Sorry.
01:11:55
Awful. Awful. Wow. That was... It's terrifying. It's awful. Yeah. I know I'm just going to look at photos of him tonight before bed.
01:12:07
Because that's what I do. It's the 70s. He's always wearing a blazer. Like, it's just that.
01:12:12
He's just that kind of guy that you can see, like, in line at Starbucks. Like, one thing goes wrong.
01:12:18
And, like, everyone's like, we got to get out of here. This is. Yeah. He's fucking going ballistic.
01:12:22
They have a nickname for him. Like, crazy. Yeah. Whatever. Exploding Trevor. Something like that.
01:12:28
He's going to fucking explode. All right, should we do a hometown? It's hometown time.
01:12:35
It finally got dark in here, and now we have to ask you to raise the lights so we can re-look into everybody's faces.
01:12:42
Let's tell you the rules first. Oh, yes. I'll just do this very briefly. So we like when people come up here and tell us their hometown murder because everybody's got one.
01:12:53
But you have to remember, if you get picked, George is going to pick someone randomly.
01:12:57
you have to remember you can be super drunk if you want but you still have to be able to tell a story
01:13:03
that's key so you can't repeat anything you can't start whispering secrets none of that shit will fly
01:13:09
you can only say this one time this is crazy you can't talk about how we're in a church
01:13:14
we did all that already the whole time let's see we want it to be local those are the best
01:13:20
we love it if it's a Manchester one or somewhere nearby if you're from Arizona fuck off
01:13:26
there was people from Arizona that's always my example thing and there were people like
01:13:33
we came here from Arizona and we're like, sorry oh, it has to have an ending that's also just not for tonight
01:13:41
but if you ever tell a story in life you don't fucking start a story like here's this horrible thing
01:13:47
and then this thing happened and yeah, that's all oh, okay don't do that oh, and if you get picked
01:13:55
Everyone else is going to hate you, so make it snappy. Okay. Those are the rules.
01:13:59
Who has a hometown for us? Georgia has a system. Georgia has a system. It's me wanting to cry and really.
01:14:07
There's Vince. There's Vince. There he is. Here we go. Go to Vince. Hi. Welcome.
01:14:22
Hi. Hi. What's your name? My name is Chloe. What is it? Chloe. Hi. What's your name? I'm Chloe. What is it? Chloe. Chloe, everyone. Chloe, everybody.
01:14:37
Where are you from I from St Ellen which is halfway between Manchester and Liverpool Is it pretty sweet Good times what it known for
01:14:48
Rugby, glass and being a bit thick. The whole town? Yeah, pretty much. Just the whole place?
01:14:59
What was the first one? Rugby. Rugby, it's kind of like American football, but we just don't.
01:15:05
Hoopy! That's the best! Hoopy? What? Rugby. I can't hear when you... That doesn't help.
01:15:14
My accent will not help you at all. Okay, okay. I'll just pretend like I understood.
01:15:18
Okay, thank you. Okay, what's your hometown? My hometown murder is the story of Helen McCart,
01:15:23
the disappearance of Helen McCart. It does have an ending. Great. Which is kind of cool.
01:15:28
In February 1988, Helen was 22. she rings her mum saying I'm coming home early for tea.
01:15:37
I know what that is. Sorry. Tea is dinner in the north. Sorry. Sorry. I'm just really proud now.
01:15:56
She steps off the bus. She's got about 500 yards to walk to her home. She doesn't make it.
01:16:01
A witness hears a scream that's cut off and Helen is never seen again. So the police start investigating and they go to the pub that's like halfway between Helen's home and the bus stop.
01:16:13
And they meet a guy called Ian Sims, who is shifty as fuck. And very quickly the police are like, this is our guy.
01:16:21
And half the town is like, he's definitely your guy too. Not so thick after all, are they?
01:16:28
It's gone downhill. Oh, shit. So, very quickly, they think Ian's their guy, they get a warrant, they investigate his house
01:16:39
and his car, and in his car and house, they find blood. What they do is they take DNA from Helen's parents, and using their magic science shirt,
01:16:51
realise that that blood most likely, definitely belongs to a child of theirs, and since Helen
01:16:56
is an only child, it's clearly Helen's blood. Yeah. So while they're still questioning Ian,
01:17:03
somewhere along the canal in Erland, I'm not too sure whereabouts that is, they find Helen's clothes covered in blood,
01:17:11
fibres from Ian's dogs, a length of cable that also has bite marks in which they trace back to Ian dogs Oh no that poor dog Yes implicating a crime And they like yeah this is Argyle
01:17:31
He's going to court. So at court, Ian's like, it's clearly not me. What's happened here is someone's broke into my house
01:17:37
and stole my clothes and stole my car, which I moved the body in. It's definitely not me.
01:17:43
Please don't convict me. And the jury's like, it's probably you, mate. You're convicted.
01:17:47
Yes, yes, they convict him. It's one of the rare cases in the UK where people are convicted without a body, just purely on DNA evidence.
01:17:55
Right. So, as we say, Helen is sadly, her remains have never been found. So her mum, Marie, who is an absolute badass, she starts a campaign for Helen's Law.
01:18:09
That's basically any convicted killer in the UK. if you don't reveal the whereabouts of your victim you're not getting parole
01:18:18
which and that's a law now it's not a law just yet she started the campaign in 2015 we
01:18:31
could do a lot more signatures online to get that in place it's it's on change which is the government petition site you probably all know what you've signed
01:18:43
so many things from there if you just google helen's law then the petition will come up
01:18:50
ian is still in jail he's still pleading his innocence and he's still a wanker Oh my god!
01:19:02
And that's my hometown murder and the district's murder. Amazing! Chloe! Yes! That was great! Great job! Perfectly done!
01:19:19
Chloe! Chloe! Like, that was perfect. We couldn't have... From now on, I'm not going to list the rules.
01:19:32
I'm just going to go, can you just do it like Chloe did it, please? It's just how you do.
01:19:40
I'm going to cry. I love that. See, this is why we fucking love you guys so much.
01:19:47
And recently my friend was like, stop saying you're lucky. It's not luck. And then I'm like, no, you don't understand.
01:19:53
And the people who fucking listen to this are the coolest people, the best people,
01:19:57
and we so lucky that we have the most incredible listeners and you guys do shit like this and we fucking honored to be part of it Thank you Yeah these tours are so amazing for us because normally you know
01:20:09
as I said before, like, we just record this in a loft in an apartment in Los Angeles,
01:20:14
and it's almost like having a private conversation. Then we find out there are people, I mean, all fucking around the world
01:20:21
that want to come and watch us do this, and it's such an honor. but also like an entire community has sprung up out of a true crime comedy podcast it's total
01:20:30
insanity you guys did it all yourselves and we get a ton of credit for it so thank you so much
01:20:36
thank you so much really for everything it's amazing yeah it's such an honor thank you manchester for having us
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