00:00:00
This is exactly right. Isn't some far off concept? It's already here. Next starts now.
00:00:33
Hyundai, an official partner of FIFA. Goodbye. When a charming neurosurgeon rode into Frontier Town
00:00:39
selling a persona of confidence and care, patients trusted him. He wore cowboy boots in the operating room
00:00:45
and became sought after by patients. He promised to heal them. Instead, he left a trail of broken bodies.
00:00:51
This is a story of greed, betrayal, and a fight for justice. Listen to Dr. Death the Cowboy wherever you get your podcasts
00:00:58
or binge the entire series right now only with Audible. Goodbye. The best parts of summer aren't just places, they're feelings.
00:01:07
It's the scent of fresh ocean air, sun-warmed skin, and long evenings outside. Pura's new summer collection is designed to capture those fleeting moments and make them last.
00:01:16
Restore your sense of place with clean, premium fragrances you control from your phone.
00:01:21
Bring the feeling of summer home. Discover the collection at Pura.com. Goodbye. Goodbye.
00:01:28
My favorite murder And stare directly into my balls of ice Because this is my favorite murder
00:01:49
Hello and welcome to the true crime comedy podcast That you turn to in your hour of need
00:01:54
Or your hour commute or your hour of maybe you just you're getting a massage and you thought this will be funny
00:02:02
oh that's weird stupid are you cleaning your house from the party you had last night
00:02:08
how was the party are you cleaning your house from the fact that you never clean your house like me where I looked down
00:02:14
today as I was watching TV and there was like a sand dune of dog hair on the ground or I was like
00:02:22
what in that you want to hear something really gross? super gross like a couple weeks ago I got a peel on my face you know a professional peel and so you're fucking
00:02:31
you like shed like a snake for the next week and I look down in the bathroom and it's just like my
00:02:37
fucking dead skin disgusting all over the pieces of your face on the ground that's my favorite
00:02:45
uh Rolevin album hey that's Karen Kilgariff that's Georgia Hartstark because sometimes you
00:02:53
guys can't tell our voices apart still and i bet you can't now too but you're correct whatever
00:02:58
you're guessing um and it doesn't matter it doesn't also matter remember oh i i remembered
00:03:04
my remember i remembered my corrections corner from last week that i couldn't remember right
00:03:09
it's this the week before the week before i said uh oh my god you guys send your dna to 23andme
00:03:18
and then send it into the place where like killers, you can, you know, let's all get our DNA.
00:03:24
You had a DNA plan for everybody. And then I got a bunch of messages, including from the dollops.
00:03:30
What's his face? Dave Anthony. Dave Anthony saying, don't fucking send your DNA to public places
00:03:36
because in, you know, Trump's future, they're going to use that to deport people
00:03:41
or to deny people fucking healthcare because of preexisting conditions based on your DNA.
00:03:45
So if you're at all paranoid about that, don't do it yeah if you're like me and you're i'm just like well the end days are coming and
00:03:52
nothing's gonna matter and the fucking system's gonna shut down anyway so the dna isn't gonna be
00:03:55
stored anywhere let's do it what you know what i mean because like there's not gonna be a system
00:04:00
anymore like the why because they're turning off all the electricity everything's gonna get shut
00:04:04
power's gonna go off and then everything's gonna defrost and all the little beakers that the dna
00:04:09
is in are gonna fall off the shelf well if there's no internet to upload the dna results to
00:04:14
right no it'll just be a big filing cabinet on a hill yeah and then you just go and spit into it
00:04:19
no that's a good point yeah i mean like that don't let's not implicitly trust some kind of
00:04:25
technology and go this is the answer the thing to remember about this podcast is that you shouldn't
00:04:30
listen to us no we're just trying to have a private conversation i don't know what you
00:04:34
fucking people are doing hanging around you keep butting into our private conversation there's this
00:04:38
guy with the mustache recording us and then there's three cats here that are just like what
00:04:42
Shut up. Just standing around going, when's my line? Okay, we're trying to talk to each other.
00:04:47
Karen and I have been trying to have a private conversation for like almost three fucking years.
00:04:52
Borderline three years. And we've never had one. No, it's getting worse. Yeah. Yeah, so full apologies if you've been taken into the trunk regime.
00:05:02
That's not even funny. I was starting to say that as like a riff. It's too real.
00:05:08
Let's not say the word anymore. Let's not go into that area. This is we're here to escape into murder and away from reality.
00:05:15
Speaking of, I'm going to plug our new fucking merch line, our new like, what's it called when it's not going to go for very long?
00:05:24
Seasonal, short term, short term, seasonal merch line that we're really fucking excited about.
00:05:29
It's finally coming out. It should be out today, which should be Thursday. We started a summer camp line.
00:05:34
yeah it's just like it's like a summer camp camping line with a with three new logos and one
00:05:41
three new designs one that you already love the stand of the forest one on new merch and there's
00:05:46
like a fucking camping mug there's t-shirts like all kinds of cool different t-shirts it looks like
00:05:50
you a fucking summer camp yeah put on by my favorite murder yeah it really really cute really cute there some really cool things yeah there the and it very contradictory We tell you to stay out of the forest Yeah And now we basically giving you a setup to go into the forest
00:06:06
Yeah. I'm really, the logos or the designs are really fucking cute. There's like three different ones.
00:06:12
They're all different. We're excited about it. So go to myfavoritemurder.com. Then go to the store.
00:06:18
You know, have fun. Shop around. Shop around. Get a look for summer. And it's, you know, it has been a while.
00:06:23
so you can update your MFM look. Yeah. Oh, God. Why did I just say that? Hey, listen, I have a reader.
00:06:33
I don't know what this is even called because this is like a new thing. Listener mail.
00:06:37
I wouldn't call. Is it that? Yeah. Listener mail. Yeah, and now you have to do that every time.
00:06:43
Oh, my God. It gives me a headache. I love it. Yeah, what you can't see is Georgia flung her head
00:06:48
from left to right as she sung listener mail. I'm basically doing Janice from the Muppets going,
00:06:53
I'll trade anyone who has a jacuzzi. Which is my favorite line from anything ever.
00:06:58
I just realized that as you did that and said it, Janice from The Muppet reminds me of Lizzie
00:07:02
Cooperman. A hundred and ten percent. That's so funny. They're the same person. I love it.
00:07:08
Okay. So this is a message from Chelsea. I won't say her full name. Clinton. She says corrections corner Molokai.
00:07:18
I argue this is not a corrections corner because I'm sick of being fucking corrected.
00:07:23
Hi, ladies. Fair enough. Just listened to episode 129. Loved hearing about Karen's trip to Kauai as well as our own serial killer story.
00:07:30
I'm born and raised in Honolulu, and I'm very familiar with the Ke'ehi Lagoon, an adjacent
00:07:36
Sand Island area, because it's a heavily used recreation site used for water sports like
00:07:41
jet skiing or canoe paddling. Not canoeing. No. Specifically canoe paddling. Just the paddling part.
00:07:50
there's no enjoyment of the movement or the scenery um the story was super creepy but knowing
00:07:56
the area i'm not surprised it happened there it's not a dreamy location but rather an industrial
00:08:01
zone it's right next to the airport planes literally fly over all day scary that's really
00:08:08
funny oh and anyway i just wanted to help with a little fact you were sharing about molokai
00:08:12
molokai has a population of 7 345 i like that she's saying all this like because she's from
00:08:18
why she knows the population of Molokai. We all have the internet, Chelsea. But the remote part of the island you mentioned
00:08:26
has a population of 11. What? And it's actually known. Oh, this is the corrections part.
00:08:31
Got it, got it. It's actually known as, now I have not had a chance to look the pronunciation up.
00:08:37
But you've done great thus far. I mean, there's a lot of heart and a lot of sincerity in it,
00:08:43
but also, this is going to be wrong. Kala-au-papa. the historic leper colony the catholic church including father damien who he's the dude who
00:08:53
went there got to take care of everyone right yep got leprosy and was like fuck it i'm gonna
00:08:58
take care of these people that's right because they were completely just shipped onto that island
00:09:02
and like you're there was no law there was nothing was set up no medical it was just shit children
00:09:08
had leprosy they got shipped there and they were just left to their own devices so amazing man
00:09:12
yeah he was like i'm gonna go i'm gonna take care of these people father damien we heard all about
00:09:16
him in catholic school they look the catholics love to talk about father he's your guy because
00:09:20
he was i think if they haven't made him a saint already they were like putting him up for sainthood
00:09:25
in the 80s cool um so he played a large role in the history of the city which is probably how your
00:09:31
family is connected to the area now you're incorrect last so so now you have a correctionist
00:09:37
corner you you're wrong it's fun to correct let's get everyone to talk about how you're wrong yeah
00:09:42
Sorry, again, I've imbibed a little bit of cold brew. Oh, right. The last remaining residents in Kalaupapa, that was definitely wrong, are all over the age of 75.
00:09:53
And I believe there's less than 10 left. I'm hoping this will help your listeners understand a small but significant part of Hawaii's history that you also have a connection to.
00:10:02
Wrong twice, strike two. Thanks again for sharing about my home and great job with your pronunciation.
00:10:08
Oh, no. Your effort did not go unnoticed. Mahalo Nui Kehao. So I bet her middle name, like her Y name is Chelsea.
00:10:19
I mean, is Kehao. And Chelsea is her email name. Got it. Thank you, Chelsea. That was awesome.
00:10:25
That's so nice. And I love the idea that people would be canoe paddling in a creepy airport lagoon.
00:10:32
I just imagine gasoline layer on top. And when you're canoeing and you're smoking a cigarette and you throw it overboard, the whole fucking ocean light's on fire.
00:10:41
You light the lagoon on fire. That's when the really cheap dads who have a problem with spending money,
00:10:46
they're like, you're going to Honolulu, but we're staying at this place that has its own lagoon.
00:10:51
God, those motels. Dad, no. Dad, please. I stayed in those as a kid with my dad.
00:10:56
It was very depressing. Well, you are correct. I have a Karen is a fucking psychic.
00:11:00
No. So smart. Corrections corner. Yeah, we should have started with that, so I wasn't going to be so defensive.
00:11:05
No, no, but now you're going to feel better. Okay, great. That's what we're all looking for.
00:11:09
I knew that was going to happen. I'm so sorry. Can we talk about the best day of my life?
00:11:13
I don't think we can talk about it. We can't say what it was specifically. Okay.
00:11:18
Karen and I did a voiceover thing for something that's going to come out in a while, which, of course, we'll tell you about when it comes out.
00:11:23
But we went and we recorded these voices and I was like doing my little voices. It's very scary.
00:11:28
And then the person who's recording goes, hey, Georgia, can you burp on command?
00:11:33
And honestly, and I was like, of course I can. And I did it twice. And like I got home and I kind of had this emotional moment of like my whole life.
00:11:41
And like as a kid, I was weird, Georgia and embarrassing. And like my brother and I would learn how to burp on command.
00:11:47
It was just this moment of like, I was so proud of myself. Yeah. Like called my mom and told my mom.
00:11:55
Mom I burped on command So fuck you She was proud of me that good she like you been practicing forever okay karen georgia associates beautiful love it karen this is from a guy named
00:12:06
mike karen i don't know if you did this on purpose but right after you were talking about
00:12:10
nietzsche georgia said something about time not being real and you said time is a flat circle
00:12:15
if you re-watch that scene from true detective yeah which you said it was from right you will
00:12:20
hear McConaughey say what is that Nietzsche shut the fuck up right after Reggie Leduce says time is
00:12:26
a flat circle no way and then he writes in a asterisk spooky ghost noises stay sexy and don't
00:12:33
read Nietzsche because he's incomprehensible and annoying Mike Mike we basically wrote
00:12:41
true detective from the future well also I recently re-watched season one of a true detective
00:12:47
but I've only gotten past, I've only gotten up to the scene that's one long tracking shot
00:12:53
where he goes in and like, remember that fucking, I think it's like episode three or four.
00:12:58
Yeah. I wonder if that was in my weird, like that was filed away in my brain. I didn't know I was saying it.
00:13:03
It's that or you're psychic, which I think is something you always want to prove.
00:13:06
I definitely want to be psychic. Yeah. So you're right. Stop saying what the reason might be
00:13:11
and start accepting. 100%. Mike's beautiful compliment. If Mike's not right, who is?
00:13:16
no Mike's always right here's the thing about that guy he pays attention pays his bills he pays his
00:13:22
fucking bills on time which what guy do you know that's like that he Mike won't allow red bills
00:13:27
and he's a detail man but he's not in your face about it no you know what I mean no he's he just
00:13:33
says associates and you're like that tells us what it is but it's also funny Mike I have to tell you
00:13:38
Karen Georgia Stephen and associates is probably my favorite greeting so far so yeah so Mike is
00:13:46
right. You're number one. Yeah. Mike is right. Wait, Oh, should we close this? No. Okay. You
00:13:51
like it? I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Well, and also you have to remember. So, uh, guys,
00:13:56
it is in LA, of course it's in the nineties. It's July. I keep having to remind myself. I'm like,
00:14:02
it's so fucking hot. It's like it's summer in Southern California. Stop complaining.
00:14:07
But I realized why I was complaining so much day. My AC went out like the fan was still running. So
00:14:12
I didn't notice. Oh, yeah. So then I at one o'clock, I was just asleep. I just went to sleep
00:14:18
because it was when I got up and checked, it was 83 degrees in my house. So this place feels like
00:14:24
this is nice. An icebox. It's amazing. You've been huffing that Freon. You were not a Freon.
00:14:29
A little bit. It gives me beautiful dreams when I go to sleep at one. I just want gold on my face. So this is actually a really cool thing. So we talked about last
00:14:42
week posting pictures from tour and hotel rooms and loving hotel rooms. Yes. We got this from a bunch of people on Twitter.
00:14:51
Thank you. And this email that Steven just printed up for us from Nicole in the Gmail box.
00:14:57
Hey, ladies and Steven, while listening to your latest episode, episode, sorry, I remembered
00:15:01
hearing about an app called Traffic Cam, T-R-A-F-F-I-C-K Cam, that you can use to take pictures
00:15:10
of a hotel room to stop help human traffic to help stop human trafficking and i also realized i keep
00:15:16
forgetting to use the app whenever i go away to stay in a hotel so the idea is that you take photos
00:15:22
of your hotel room upload them to the app and then law enforcement can compare the room images
00:15:27
to images advertising potential victims and that way they can find where those rooms are and where
00:15:35
potentially those people are being trafficked. She includes a link to a CNN article about it.
00:15:42
Just thought you guys and others would want to know about the app. I think it's a great idea and hopefully it works to help human trafficking victims.
00:15:49
Love you guys and your podcast and hope to see you next time you come to the Boston area.
00:15:53
She actually wrote SSDMG, Nicole, which I like. Thank you, Nicole. Thank you and everybody who tweeted us.
00:16:02
that's such a mind-blowing like that's the that's the good tech that's coming i wonder if it's worked
00:16:09
at all it must right yeah because why would they start it whole app about it i want to i want to
00:16:14
read about the stories that it's worked on yeah it's that's really cool traffic cam if you um
00:16:20
for some reason take pictures of the hotel rooms you stay in go over to traffic cam and see if you
00:16:25
can't upload them and help people yeah it's very cool that's her new thing um hey here's the thing
00:16:33
we talk about this all the time um but join the fan cult oh yeah there's lots of cool things coming
00:16:39
your way uh fan cult members um we're trickling them out slowly and as you know we're not the most
00:16:45
organized people on the planet a little busy and a little bit like we're gonna do it next week yeah
00:16:50
but there is shit on there that you can't get anywhere else like videos we do unboxing videos
00:16:54
of gifts. We're going to do like... And we have a bunch of gifts waiting because we're waiting to
00:17:00
do these unboxing videos. Yeah, but neither of us ever show up to this podcast with makeup on
00:17:03
because we just work all day on our murders. And sleep in the heat. I resent the fact that I need
00:17:10
in this late stage in my life to get put on makeup for these videos, but we really have a lot of cool
00:17:16
stuff and cool ideas coming for you. So just know that there's lots of plans in the work for the
00:17:23
We're the fan cult people. So if you just go to myfavoritemurder.com, you'll find our new merch line.
00:17:27
You'll find all this bullshit. You'll love it. It's the best. Goodbye. No. While the world watches the stars at the FIFA World Cup this summer, Hyundai has its eyes
00:17:35
on the next generation of talent. The future soccer stars who are already turning heads at age 14.
00:17:40
Making plays that end up on everyone's feed, scoring from angles that don't make sense,
00:17:44
rewriting record books that barely had time to gather dust. Because next doesn't wait for an invitation and Hyundai doesn't either.
00:17:50
Hyundai has always moved the future within reach. Hyundai did it by making advanced safety standard on every vehicle Hyundai did it by engineering EVs with ultra charging capability And Hyundai continues doing it every day From robotics that change how people live to young athletes changing the game
00:18:07
the future isn't some far off concept. It's already here. Next starts now. Hyundai, an official partner of FIFA.
00:18:13
Goodbye. Summer clothes should feel easy and still look polished. Low maintenance, high reward.
00:18:20
That's how we live our lives. For summer clothes you will actually wear, there's quince.
00:18:24
Quince has beautiful everyday pieces like 100% European linen pants, dresses, and tops with styles starting at $32.
00:18:31
Their denim is soft and easy to wear, and their organic cotton sweaters are perfect for layering on cool summer nights.
00:18:37
Everything at Quince is priced 50% to 80% less than similar brands because they work directly with ethical factories, so you're paying for quality, not brand markup.
00:18:44
And it's not just clothing. Quince has become a destination for elevated essentials across the home,
00:18:50
kitchen, bedding, and beyond, making it easy to bring a more premium feel into everyday life.
00:18:55
I am a fan of Quince. Yeah, Karen's wardrobe is Quince-centric. I'm a lazy basics person, and the things that I get from them,
00:19:03
I always go, oh yeah, now I'm wearing these. They work, they're cute, they're stylish.
00:19:08
And they're classy. Like it doesn't look lazy, it looks classy. And it's so affordable.
00:19:13
Yeah. Elevate your summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash MFM for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns.
00:19:20
Now available in Canada too. That's q-u-i-n-c-e dot com slash MFM for free shipping and 365 day returns.
00:19:28
Quince.com slash MFM. Goodbye. When you're young, you don't really buy furniture.
00:19:33
You either inherit something from your parents or you just drag something in from the street
00:19:38
like you're some kind of hipster raccoon. When you're ready for furniture that you actually like, check out Article.
00:19:43
Article offers the style and durability you want at a price that actually makes sense.
00:19:48
They take great care in curating their collection, focusing on pieces that stand the test of time.
00:19:52
There's no filler. Every item is chosen for craftsmanship, design, and lasting value.
00:19:57
And with Article's 30-day satisfaction guarantee, you can shop with confidence, knowing that if you're not completely in love with your new furniture, you can easily return it.
00:20:05
Plus, Article's customer care team is available seven days a week, offering knowledgeable support and even free interior design services
00:20:12
to help you get your home just right. Yes, please. Don't we all kind of need that?
00:20:16
Like the eye of an expert? Yeah. Where should I put this? And also what should I move here and there?
00:20:21
And what should I even get? But Article has it all, so you can get whatever there.
00:20:24
That's right. You could be like, I have this thing. Should I get this one or that one?
00:20:27
Totally. Am I Scandi or am I mid-century? Help me be boho chic, please. If you're in the market for a beautiful new sofa,
00:20:33
dining table, or bed, head over to article.com. Goodbye. Is that it? Yeah, you're first this week.
00:20:42
Okay. Well, I thought it'd be really fun to do this murder. And I didn't realize that.
00:20:52
So we're recording on Sunday because I'm leaving for Hawaii tomorrow. But tomorrow, so this week, this comes out.
00:20:58
But specifically Monday is the 100. You keep saying if this comes out. I do. Like you're not positive.
00:21:04
I didn't even notice. I mean, Stephen, will you just promise Georgia right now that you will put this up tomorrow?
00:21:09
I swear. Okay. I mean for Thursday. Okay. Okay. So it'll be a hundred years this week since this murder.
00:21:16
Exactly. And I didn't realize it at first. That wasn't the reason you picked it?
00:21:21
No. It was because I had started it and I was halfway done with it already. I didn't like the murder I originally picked.
00:21:28
So I was like, how far along am I in this one? Great. But this is actually one that I wanted to do for a very long time because it truly is one of my favorite murders.
00:21:35
Okay. I'm fascinated with it. and I just can't tell you how many documents I have of half written ones that I bail on it and
00:21:44
then I'm like I'm gonna go back to that well this one was hard because there's so much work that
00:21:48
needed to go into it um but I'm gonna leave a lot of shit out and piss off a lot of history people
00:21:53
this is no one's here for history okay great no you can't be at this point if you're here for
00:21:59
history still you're a sadomasochist yes this is the story of the last of the Romanovs oh shit girl
00:22:07
we're going all the way back wait a second I love this so much and I just recently when I drove home
00:22:16
Petaluma for Father's Day listened to last podcast on the left's series on Rasputin
00:22:23
which lays into this a little bit so I love it they're perfect to do Rasputin I'm doing fucking Romanoff
00:22:32
I am not last podcast on the left I do not have the studying skills of our friend Marcus Parks. He's a serious man. Yeah. So, fuck, like this is one of
00:22:45
my favorite historical stories because it is so fucking insane. The whole story is bananas. And yet,
00:22:51
as I'm going to be reading this, and I didn't realize it too, it's like you can see a lot of
00:22:56
modern day similarities to what happened and what could happen. And it's really scary.
00:23:00
yeah because well time is a flat circle as mike told us but but also it's true like that the reason
00:23:09
it's a cliche is history just repeats itself and these things these things it's like the power
00:23:14
dynamic yeah keeps just keeps happening just because shit's in black and white and listen
00:23:19
when i was in high school i was like this boring story i wasn't interested in this at all and then
00:23:24
when i got older and like saw some you know history channel video about it and started reading a book
00:23:29
about it i was like this is way more fascinating than i thought it was yeah so okay the house of
00:23:33
romanov it's the second dynasty to rule over russia starts in 1860 sorry 1613 we're gonna get through
00:23:41
this history part numbers yeah they're also math it's math they hate it the romanovs had ruled
00:23:47
russia for five generations and were so powerful that they believed themselves to be ordained by
00:23:52
god as absolute rulers so think of like the fucking british royal family it's that's going
00:23:57
on but in Russia. They all think they're ordained by god yeah it's little nuts i don't think god i don't think god's into royals he's more like
00:24:05
lord where he's he'll never be royal peasants he wants peasants he's like lord exactly uh god is
00:24:13
like lord sorry all right they're rich as fuck they build mansions in the grandest royal palace
00:24:18
in all of europe but they reign for centuries with unlimited power etc etc what well i just
00:24:25
have to say yeah i put my finger up to stop georgia once again and she's barely started
00:24:29
no i love it you just gave me was so good you're like what no i thought you were gonna make fun of
00:24:33
me for saying etc etc about an entire fucking dynasty of royal people okay great of course not
00:24:39
i just need to look i don't need to tell you guys this shit i was just gonna remind you
00:24:43
that in high school during the cold war 1987 i went to russia right i went to old school russia
00:24:51
And so, like, I've been to Peter the Great's Summer Palace. Wow. And I am telling you, these people weren't just rich.
00:24:58
Like, the Summer Palace, which wasn't their main palace. It was their Summer Palace.
00:25:01
It was the most incredible thing I've ever seen in my life to date. Oh, my God. And everything about it was, like, breathtakingly large.
00:25:13
They had a fountain that had, I think it's, who's the guy from the ocean? Triton?
00:25:21
Is that what you just said? Or is that from? Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the that's the thing he holds.
00:25:27
Right. Neptune. I'm thinking of the Little Mermaid. They had a fountain of the Little Mermaid.
00:25:37
But it was a thing that was probably five. It was like five stories tall. Like it was like triple the size of any fountain you've ever seen.
00:25:45
Okay, so now imagine being a fucking peasant who lives in a fucking hovel, you know, survives on bread all day, barely has any money for the children.
00:25:53
Yeah, no shoes, no money for fucking food. And of course you're going to think that these people are fucking ordained by God.
00:26:00
They've never seen anything like this in their lives. That's right. And that makes sense, too, why all the churches and shit, people thought that people who ruled the churches were fucking ordained by God.
00:26:10
Because look at these insane buildings they made. Anyways, it's crazy. Yeah. all right so now let's get interesting sar nicholas uh who looks like a fucking hot brooklyn
00:26:22
hipster with a light blondie beard and they get a little zoop on his he's cute uh so nicholas is
00:26:30
only 24 when he inherits the throne upon the unexpected death of his father alexander the
00:26:35
third dies of kidney disease unexpectedly in 1949 nope when he's 49 in 1894 all right so imagine
00:26:44
at 24 years old being oh fuck i'm i'm in charge i'm in charge now and imagine also being a little
00:26:51
kid and seeing your grandfather who was the czar get blown up to fucking smithereens and an
00:26:58
assassination and then they're like now you get to take over that job that happened to the in front
00:27:02
of the family in front of the family including the little kid at nicholas so he's like i don't
00:27:07
fucking want this job and he hasn't since he was a kid um but now he's getting it at 24 when he's
00:27:13
totally not ready so he definitely doesn't want to do it but he has to um okay so just a week after
00:27:18
the funeral of his father nicholas marries his longtime fucking gal pal who was only 12 when he
00:27:25
met her and he was 16 oh like were they boning i hope not no yeah they like fell in love with each
00:27:31
other it was more formal back yeah you're right you're right so he's like a light hand touching
00:27:36
yes gloved hand touching it's all gloves then the gloves come off on the night of the wedding night
00:27:41
the night of the wedding night nicholas marries a beautiful german princess alexandra fiodorva
00:27:49
nope fiodorovna uh he marries her and they're like supposedly like this is fucking they're
00:27:59
really really truly devoted and in love with each other in a way that like i feel like a lot of
00:28:03
princes and princesses and kings and queens aren't they're just like set up for marriage you know
00:28:07
but they're super stoked on each other. She's also the grandchild, the favorite grandchild of Queen Victoria of the UK.
00:28:14
They were coordinated in 1896 in one of the most lavish ceremonies of its time. Fucking sign me up to go to that.
00:28:24
I mean, the bonbons alone. Alone. Little tiny sandwich tables. I love it. Come on.
00:28:29
And then I wrote a thing where like, you know how they say that when the bigger the wedding,
00:28:33
the more likely the marriage is going to fail? Well, I bet the bigger the coordination,
00:28:37
the more likely the fucking ruling is going to fail. Good parallel. True in this case, as we shall see.
00:28:46
That's foreshadowing. Got it, got it. Alexandra, so she is like, fuck this shit.
00:28:51
She doesn't want to go, she doesn't do the traditional social duties that Russia's Tsarina and the Russian people
00:28:57
expect from the Tsarina. They see her as distant and severe. The couple has five children.
00:29:04
They have to have a boy so that the boy can take over the throne yeah and so imagine how their four oldest olga tatiana
00:29:12
maria and anastasia feel they're like nope nope nope nope shit we have to keep having babies
00:29:16
finally they have their son heir to the throne alexi um fucking this kid is like everything to
00:29:23
them all alexander all alexander wants to do is hang out in the palace and be with his family he
00:29:30
doesn't want to leave same doesn't want to rule a hundred percent you get to hang out in this
00:29:34
fucking gorgeous palace with the love of your life and you're like probably fun children yeah
00:29:38
great and then just be like who wants a grilled cheese sandwich yeah let's get one let's all get
00:29:43
made for us even we don't have to make them ourselves that's right or do the dishes we just
00:29:48
call down through a get it a can it a can a can of sardines because it was in the 1800s string and then a bunch of sardines run downstairs and make a sandwich train sardines train your sardines everyone okay he wants to he wants to ignore the widespread famine throughout his land and not deal with all
00:30:12
this bullshit sure according to historian simon sabag montefiore sar nicholas ii was astonishingly
00:30:20
arrogant and had contempt for the educated political classes. So he wasn't into the politics shit either.
00:30:26
Okay. Or the people who were in charge. He was a vicious anti-Semite, which I think everyone fucking was then.
00:30:33
And he had an unshakable belief in his right to rule as a sacred autocrat. Sure.
00:30:38
And he's not trusted by his ministers. And he also leaves a lot of his dad's harsh, crazy rules in place.
00:30:45
So nobody likes him. No one likes his wife. And then there's also Bloody Sunday.
00:30:50
where on Sunday, the 22nd of January, 1905 in St. Petersburg, unarmed demonstrators are fired upon by soldiers of the Imperial Guard.
00:31:01
Now, we can easily think about this in today's in our society here. Like this shit could happen.
00:31:08
It's happening now. It's fucking happening now. It's happening every day. It's bananas.
00:31:12
Because also the other things you're mentioning of like that thing where people being virulently hateful towards smart people.
00:31:20
like that thing which is definitely happening in this country and I think people are kind of just
00:31:25
waking up to it but it's a thing of like you resent people having an education maybe because you didn't
00:31:30
get one for whatever reason but that thing like loving your own ignorance and then hating someone
00:31:36
else for actually being smart is such a it's like this human failing right and it's I don't know it's
00:31:43
it sucks and there's no uh debating it you can't debate with a fucking stupid person that they're
00:31:48
being ignorant right you know or not being open or at least not you know studying all sides of the
00:31:55
story no yeah mom janet god damn it okay sorry i'm very hate hateful right now okay they fire
00:32:04
upon it's like kent state they fire into the fucking crowd yeah it's debating how many people
00:32:09
were killed by soldiers but the moderate estimates like around 100 people were killed
00:32:13
shit but a thousand were wounded both from the shots and being trampled in the panic oh my god
00:32:19
so all these people are hurt and killed peaceful protests and the and they're protesting starving
00:32:25
to death yeah exactly so they so revolution exactly the people are fucking pissed by 1914
00:32:32
with the outbreak of world war one the people are fucking over the romanoms like no more dudes
00:32:37
russians criticize alexandra and her german heritage because they're super patriotic
00:32:43
oh so unfamiliar and nicholas's mismanagement of russia's social political and economic problems
00:32:50
because he was fucking bad at his job and didn't want it in 1915 nicholas also assumes personal
00:32:56
control of russia's military forces so he fucking laters out of his saint petersburg castle to
00:33:02
oversee the russian armies fighting world war one goes to the fucking front lines and pretends to be
00:33:07
like in charge of the fucking army and shit which is like pisses people off this but then this leaves
00:33:11
Serena Alexandra in charge of Russia. And this is where our fucking friend Rasputin comes in.
00:33:18
It's a fucking total piece of shit. Yeah. So her most, Alexandra's most trusted advisor was illiterate,
00:33:23
self-proclaimed faith healer, Gregory Rasputin from fucking small, small time Siberia.
00:33:30
Yeah. You know, the remotest of Siberia. You know, Russian, I mean, Rasputin is seen by some Russians as a mystic,
00:33:37
a visionary and a prophet by others as a religious charlatan. and they call him the holy devil.
00:33:43
Somehow, so he, so Alexei, the heir to the throne, the little boy, has hemophilia.
00:33:50
And so Alexandra, she's, they're highly religious, Orthodox Russians, highly religious.
00:33:55
And so she keeps trying to get these faith healers to come and fix him. And finally Rasputin comes
00:33:59
and no one really knows why, except maybe Marcus Parks does and I just need to listen to it.
00:34:05
Something happens and it, and she believes that Rasputin is healing her son. so she fucking brings him on into their highly secretive like you know click and uh so so he's
00:34:17
there is actually a part and and there isn't any specific thing like like to know except for that
00:34:23
he did do something when that little boy was bleeding right and healed him in a way that
00:34:29
people can't explain right so he really did weirdly earn his spot but then he was there
00:34:34
for years and years and years so he must have been like doing something else too yeah he had
00:34:37
weird eyes and i think people liked that too right but he also smelled he looks like he smells
00:34:43
terrible smells terrible the the uh you can get the full rasputin download on last podcast i think
00:34:50
there's a smell-o-vision of it too where they let you smell him it smells like rotten carrots
00:34:54
and deceit eggshells oh and deceit weird breath okay so rasputin's sexual escapades and immoral
00:35:04
behavior he just like flaunts his dick all over town he's like the original fuck boy i think really
00:35:08
i don't know i made that up but yes he's like fox everyone and calls it like like he's giving them a
00:35:13
divine fucking fucking of divine fucking and makes them holy and shit um but so the russian people
00:35:22
hate how much sway he has over their country they're pissed off about it because under his
00:35:27
influence alexandra becomes paranoid and reactionary government officials are appointed
00:35:32
and dismissed at a whim. Sounds familiar. Based on Rasputin's prophecies and Alexandra adopts repressive
00:35:40
and oppressive policies. In December of 1916, Rasputin is assassinated by a group of conservative people
00:35:47
who opposes influence. And this left Alexandra alone to rule Russia and she tightened the grip on authority.
00:35:54
And so she just being a dick too At this point the Russians are like fuck this shit That a quote From February to March Russia is paralyzed when over half a million workers strike and protest
00:36:13
That's crazy. It's crazy. 500,000 people peace out on their jobs. Public transportation stops.
00:36:22
Newspapers go out of print. the number of striking workers increased when rumors circulated of another
00:36:28
cut in bread supplies so everyone's fucking starving to begin with all their fucking kids are being sent off to
00:36:34
war that they don't even want to be in 10 million soldiers desert and join the Bolshevik uprising
00:36:41
and Lenin begins to emerge as leader of the resistance which is a fucking fascinating
00:36:46
story in its own there's a really great documentary about Lenin's rise to power I highly recommend it
00:36:50
and I don't remember what it's called Could it be called Lennon's Rise to Power?
00:36:54
I bet it is. Like, you think the documentary filmmakers would be like, you know, I have a great name for this.
00:36:59
Yeah. But it's called, like, Red Tears on a Sunday or whatever. Like, no, no one's going to know what that is.
00:37:05
They're going to think it's about you, too. March 1917, less than three months after Rasputin's murder,
00:37:14
masses of pissed off peasants and factory workers take to the streets of St. Petersburg.
00:37:18
Police and soldiers are like, great, we're with you. They fucking mutiny and join these motherfuckers because they're pissed off too.
00:37:26
Everybody's pissed. Everyone's starving, but the royals, right? Exactly. So the government ministers and bureaucrats abandon their positions because they're like,
00:37:33
oh shit, we better get the fuck out of here, right? So this is the February revolution of 1917.
00:37:40
Following this, Nicholas, the czar, is like, oh shit. Okay, I'm abdicating on behalf of me and my son.
00:37:46
Please leave us alone. He thinks it's going to guarantee safety of his family. To just be like, okay, I won't be the czar anymore.
00:37:54
I quit, I quit. He calls uncle. How do you say uncle in Russian? Great. He does that.
00:38:02
On March 1st, 1918, once the communist Bolsheviks are in power, the family, they get, you know, they're held prisoner in a couple different places.
00:38:12
They finally are moved to Ekatenburg. It's near the Ural Mountains. and it's this home that they'll be kept in.
00:38:21
Pretty nice home? I don't think so. It used to be like the home of the captain and then they were like, get the fuck out of here.
00:38:28
We're holding the Romanovs in here. And they're like, oh my God, I'm claustrophobic.
00:38:32
There's only 10 rooms in this house. Exactly, yeah. And it's called the House of Special Purpose.
00:38:38
Oh. Which just makes me think of the jerk. Like, what's your special purpose? Right?
00:38:46
That's so funny. Okay, so they're kept in the... I wonder if that's where he got it.
00:38:52
Fucking Steve Martin. Steve Martin. You're smart and... That's what you like to do.
00:38:58
I did it for you. I like it. They're kept in this home in strict isolation without any of their possessions.
00:39:05
I think they had their dogs there, though, which is cool. That's nice. They're guarded day and night.
00:39:10
There's two, like, high walls surrounding the property for their imprisonment and for the security
00:39:14
from the angry townspeople who were like, let's kill these people. The windows in all the family's rooms are sealed shut and covered with newspaper,
00:39:24
and they're forbidden from looking out the window. It sounds incredibly boring. Yeah.
00:39:29
They're required to ring a bell every time they want to leave their rooms to go to the bathroom.
00:39:34
And the guards eventually total around 300. Jesus Christ. So you've got to imagine.
00:39:40
So the four daughters are now 13, 17, 19, and 21. And there are around 300 guards who fucking hate their family.
00:39:48
Yeah. And there's rumors. And you have to imagine that they were sexually assaulted at some point.
00:39:53
Sure. For sure. But they don't talk about everything I looked in. I've only heard that in one, you know, story.
00:40:00
It kind of stands to reason. But right. Yeah. Oh, wait. Alexis, the boy was 13, but the daughters were 17, 19, 21, and 22.
00:40:08
Okay. In July, when the White Guard, which is still loyal to the Tsar, they begin to move onto Kattenberg, and they might take the city over.
00:40:19
So this is what is surmised as the reason for what happens next. In the early morning hours of July 17, 1918, the royal family is, they're all awakened, and around 2 a.m., in order to get dressed.
00:40:37
and they're taken down to a 20 foot by 16 foot, like semi basement room in this house.
00:40:43
And the pretext for this move, they tell them like, oh, the anti-Bolshevik forces are approaching.
00:40:49
We're taking you down here for your own safety because we might be fired upon. So the family is like, oh, my God, we're close to safety.
00:40:56
We're going to be like saved. They go down there. It's so it's Nicholas who's Tsar Nicholas, who's 50.
00:41:03
The Tsarina Alexander is 46 and their children, 13 year old Alexis. 17-year-old Anastasia, 19-year-old Maria, 21-year-old Tatiana, and 22-year-old Olga,
00:41:14
along with the family's personal physician, Eugene Botkin, and three of their servants.
00:41:19
What? Eugene Botkin. What a nerd. Get that nerd out of the basement. And three of their servants, all who had voluntarily stayed with the family, which is pretty insane.
00:41:33
Ana Demidova, Alexi Trump. Nope. Alexi Trump. and Ivan Karadonov Karadonov one of his like fucking
00:41:46
descendants is so mad at me right now for getting that name wrong it's Karadonov
00:41:51
Karadonov Karadonov so little do they know so they seated in this basement they get chairs for the Tsarina and Alexei who of course frail from his hemophilia has been for his whole life
00:42:07
Little do they know that standing in another room is a firing squad that had been assembled and is waiting for the command.
00:42:15
it's seven communist soldiers from central europe and three local bolsheviks all under the command
00:42:22
of bolshevik officer uh yakov yurovsky who we fucking hate boo he's a piece of shit really yeah
00:42:29
why it's said that yakov secured the order of execution from lenin himself but of course there's
00:42:37
no paper trail so we don't know that for anything could have been going on exactly when the family
00:42:42
gets into the basement they're all seated um and yurovsky simply says uh nikolai alexandrovich
00:42:50
in view of the fact that your relatives are continuing their attack on soviet russia
00:42:54
the rule the ural executive committee has decided to execute you and that's when they
00:42:59
fucking realize they're all going to get killed shit nicholas he's stunned he has barely has any
00:43:05
time to react before the executioners they draw the revolvers and the shooting begins
00:43:10
Nicholas is the first to die. And there's this, I am reading, I have a book that halfway through about the murders and
00:43:18
it's really graphic and says everything. And I had to stop reading it because I got dizzy.
00:43:22
Because it's so bad. Yeah. So you can read that if you want to. But essentially, Nicholas is the first to die.
00:43:29
Anastasia, Tatiana and Olga and Maria survived the first round of bullets. I think they got like one in the leg and one in the arm.
00:43:35
And it's because as they're shot at, the bullets are deflecting off of their bodies because they are wearing over 1.3 kilograms of diamonds and precious gems that they secretly all secretly sewed into their undergarments.
00:43:49
Right. When they left. Before they left the palace. Oh, fuck. So they're fucking deflecting the bullets, which is like almost worse.
00:43:57
You know. But you mean because they're just they continue to live while they're being attempted murdered.
00:44:03
Yeah. like they don't get a quick death you're right but also if you were shooting them and then yeah
00:44:10
it's deflected wouldn't you be like wait maybe they are like from god and like i was wrong this
00:44:15
whole time well apparently so this is like an insanely botched execution and apparently they
00:44:20
were all ship they should drunk too and not experienced they didn't the weapons were just
00:44:25
like given to them randomly it's not like they had they were good at their jobs even which is
00:44:30
disgusting but uh so they they get some protection from the bullets and then the bayonets oh no the
00:44:38
remaining executioners they start shooting chaotically until the room is so filled with
00:44:42
smoke and dust that no one can see anything and they can't hear any of the commands amid amid the
00:44:47
noise they realize that the gunshots are being heard uh by the neighbors like they're in this
00:44:53
fucking little town square there's like other houses around um so the men are told to stop
00:44:58
firing and kill the family with their gun butts and bayonets. Ew. So the family and the servants are stabbed with bayonets and shot at close range in their
00:45:08
heads. The execution lasts about 20 minutes. And at the end of it, once everyone's dead, the dynasty that had ruled Russia for over
00:45:17
300 years is fucking over. Wow. So the bodies of the Romanovs and their servants are loaded onto a truck and taken to the Kotyaki
00:45:27
forest. You have to scream the last part of that. Kopetyaki Forest. The truck gets stuck in an area.
00:45:33
They're supposed to take him to these mines and drop him down the mines, but the truck gets stuck in the mud near the Gorno-Orolsk railway line.
00:45:44
So the men are fucking exhausted and drunk and over it, and they refuse to obey orders.
00:45:49
So Yurovsky's just like, fuck it, let's bury them in the road near the track where it's stalled.
00:45:54
So the bodies are laid out and stripped of their clothing and valuables, at a place called Pigs Meadow.
00:45:59
Oh. I know. And then they're all put in, their bodies are put into a grave that was dug,
00:46:06
and then their sulfuric acids poured on top of them, and then their faces are smashed with the rifle butts
00:46:12
and covered with quicklime to prevent identification. Jesus Christ. I know. The burial is completed at 6 a.m. on July 19th.
00:46:22
But it's, so, you know, half the population, people don't like the czar but they didn't want their whole family to be killed right it was and
00:46:31
people still believe in the czar too so it's they don't they don't want people to know what they did
00:46:36
um and then you know they tell them that only the czar and uh his the air you know alexi have been
00:46:44
killed and everyone else is in hiding but of course it's not true for more than 60 years the
00:46:50
fate of the Romanovs is debated and it's not totally known what happened to them a woman
00:46:55
claiming to be Anastasia uh Anna Anderson said she's that she was Anastasia and she had survived
00:47:01
and she actually knew intimate details about the Romanovs family maybe and people believed her
00:47:07
story do you remember this because it was the late 90s when she was proven wrong yes I love that
00:47:13
story also there was like an actual Disney cartoon but it's the cool I any scam like that
00:47:19
There's also the one where the girl came and pretended to be a princess. They just found her on the side of the road,
00:47:27
and she was like, I'm a Tahitian princess or wherever. It's like some tropical island princess.
00:47:32
And she scammed a bunch of people in England, I think, around the same, like, you know.
00:47:37
You're into that. Back when there was no TV, there was no way to communicate quickly.
00:47:40
Right. So if you wrote a letter of like, that's not who that is, it would take four months to get there.
00:47:44
And by then you fucking sewn all your jewels into your underwear. That's right. As long as you're charming and convincing, people would just be like, sounds good.
00:47:52
I think you are a royal. And want her to be that. Like, they didn't want the children to be dead.
00:47:57
So people wanted this to be Anastasia. And she fucking did look like her. And they got so. So then what happened was there is a trial that is the longest trial in modern German history to determine if it's Anastasia or not.
00:48:11
And they got this like crazy forensic handwriting analysis dude. And he and I think it was a woman. And she was like, it's totally Anastasia.
00:48:19
Like she fooled even her. Wow. Yeah. She knew her stuff. This woman, Anna. Or she just got lucky and people wanted to believe her.
00:48:27
But the trial failed to determine if it was her or not. She died in 1984 and still insisting she's the princess.
00:48:33
Several other people reported to be the Romanov children throughout the years. And then the burial ground remained undiscovered until May of 1979, when local amateur sleuth and retired geologist Alexander Avdonin and some of his fucking bros located.
00:48:52
They like they everyone's looking for this fucking grave. Yeah. they locate the shallow grave after years of covert evidence gathering and studying the
00:49:00
evidence so this is 1979 they find the grave they find three skulls from the grave and they try to
00:49:07
get people to fucking dna test them and shit but everyone is this is not a time when you can be
00:49:12
doing shit like this so they were worried about the consequences because it's now almost the 80s
00:49:17
in russia right right yeah so uh and the consequences were imprisonment possible death
00:49:24
so they fucking rebury the skulls oh no in 1980 and are just like we'll be quiet until there's a
00:49:33
time in our lives where we can go back and dig them up holy shit insane yeah if you just knew
00:49:38
where the fucking romano's was were but you could there's nowhere to send any there's no like no one
00:49:42
will test them yeah so in july of 1991 so it's fucking 11 years later six months before the final
00:49:49
dissolution of the soviet union a commission appointed by boris yeltsin to investigate the
00:49:55
murders they finally exhumed their remains from pig meadow but the problem is that there's only
00:50:01
nine skeletons found and they're supposed to be 11 fucking bodies so dna confirms that the smash
00:50:07
skulls and bullet-ridden bones were those of the romanos and their servants but two of the
00:50:12
children's bodies, including Alexei and either Anastasia or Maria, aren't found with their
00:50:18
family, which of course leads people to think that either the nine bodies aren't the Romanovs
00:50:23
and their servants, and or Anastasia and Alexei are still alive, which likes all this crazy
00:50:29
speculation. And it makes the Russian Orthodox Church refuse to recognize the remains as those of the Romanovs,
00:50:38
So they refuse to fucking bury them in a, you know, official Russian Orthodox. Sanctified grave.
00:50:45
Grave and ceremony and shit. And they're sainted. So like this would it would have been a big fucking deal.
00:50:51
So they are interred in July 98. And they're referred to by the priests conducting the service as Christian victims of the revolution rather than the imperial family.
00:51:05
They refuse to acknowledge them as who they are. So finally, then, and actually, NecroSearch is involved in the search as well.
00:51:15
And there's a chapter in the book that I love, No Stone Unturned, about the Romanovs and the search for them.
00:51:22
It's really cool. But in July of 2007, another amateur group of local enthusiasts found a small pit near where the bodies were initially found containing the remains of Alexei and his sister Maria, located in a small bonfire site not far from the main grave.
00:51:45
so it turns out that yourofsky had separated the saravich alexi and his sister maria turns out it's
00:51:53
in an attempt to confuse anyone who might discover the mass graves with only nine bodies which
00:51:58
fucking work he did it on purpose he did it on purpose wow alexi and his sister were burned
00:52:04
their remaining charred bones thoroughly smashed with spades and then tossed into a smaller pit
00:52:09
and despite overwhelming forensic and dna evidence the church has refused to recognize
00:52:16
these remains as belonging to alexi and maria and for several years the boxes containing ash
00:52:23
ashes and a few bone fragments that was all that remained of the children was just sitting in a shelf in the russian state archives and in 2015 those bones were finally
00:52:34
judged authentic. So this fucking week marks the 100th anniversary of the execution
00:52:42
of the Russian royal family by the Bolsheviks, one of the most shocking events of the 20th century.
00:52:49
During his reign, the Russian Empire went from being one of the foremost great powers of the world
00:52:54
to economic and military collapse under the rule of Nicholas II. And even so, people still debate
00:53:02
whether or not the assassination was deserved or was just straight out fucking murder.
00:53:09
And that's the story of the Romanovs. Wow. They still haven't gotten their Orthodox burial.
00:53:16
Wow. Yeah. I love that story because then it just makes me want to read a book about...
00:53:22
Russia is so huge, insane. The history is beyond belief. Well, you know, my family, right before World War I,
00:53:33
or when World War I started was run out of their town in Russia. Oh, really? Yeah, because they were Jewish.
00:53:43
Their town was burned to the ground. And then my grandma, who was seven at the time,
00:53:46
and her family lived in fields trying to survive for the next seven years. Shit.
00:53:51
Until they were finally able to escape and come to great Los Angeles Your grandma was an exiled Russian Jew Seven years old living in fields Her mother picked potatoes during the day for money and would steal one potato They eat the potato
00:54:05
She had like six siblings. They'd eat the potato for dinner and the peelings the next day for breakfast.
00:54:11
Fuck. Some people who were sympathetic would let them sleep in their barn, but they had to keep moving because Jews weren't.
00:54:17
There was another poie grime just constantly. Yeah. Jesus Christ. I didn't realize it was that close to you.
00:54:25
I'd like that. It was your grandma. Yeah. Is that your bigger dummies grandma? No,
00:54:30
that's Molly. She's, she got, had the same thing, but in Poland. Look, I'm sorry about what's been happening to you Jews for the past 2000 years.
00:54:38
It's pretty fucked up. Thank you. We, on behalf of all the Jews, Karen Kilgareff,
00:54:42
we appreciate it. Really? Yeah. God, I love you guys. You would let us sleep in your barn.
00:54:47
Oh my God. I don't know about Steven. No, no, no. Or Stephen's like, what the fuck?
00:54:53
Stephen, what is your heritage? I'm half Mexican. What's the other half? I think like English or something like that.
00:55:01
Yeah, English Mexicans. I feel like the Mexican side would be like, yeah, we get it.
00:55:07
We've been through some shit. That was English though, man. They don't get it. They love to colonize.
00:55:12
They love to oppress. When did you guys come here? I think my dad's side came over like the Midwest, like when like they were all like coming out after like not the pilgrims or anything like that.
00:55:29
No, no, no, from Mexico though. Oh, from Mexico. Even my grandma grew up here. I call her Glendale Mexican because she grew up here.
00:55:37
That's Armenian. Are you crazy? My mistake. Yeah. Even my mom's side, who's Mexican, has been here for a long time.
00:55:46
Oh, okay. Cool. Well, shit. Guys. Guys, look and listen and have a can of wine. That was good. While the world watches the stars at the FIFA World Cup this summer,
00:55:58
Hyundai has its eyes on the next generation of talent. The future soccer stars who are
00:56:01
already turning heads at age 14. Making plays that end up on everyone's feed, scoring from angles that don't make sense, rewriting record books that barely had time
00:56:10
to gather dust. Because next doesn't wait for an invitation, and Hyundai doesn't either.
00:56:14
Hyundai has always moved the future within reach. Hyundai did it by making advanced safety standard on every vehicle.
00:56:20
Hyundai did it by engineering EVs with ultra-fast charging capability. And Hyundai continues doing it every day.
00:56:26
From robotics that change how people live to young athletes changing the game, the future isn't some far-off concept. It's already here.
00:56:33
Next starts now. Hyundai, an official partner of FIFA. Goodbye. Summer is all about saying yes, going out, and bringing the mess home in your car.
00:56:42
Sand, grass, and melting snacks will inevitably hitch a ride. But with WeatherTech, you can live life to the fullest.
00:56:49
WeatherTech floor liners, cargo liner, and seat protectors allow you to keep up with your summer adventures without the worry.
00:56:55
WeatherTech is built for all of those summer things, allowing you the freedom to go all in.
00:56:59
WeatherTech is an American-made premium product built to last and easy to clean.
00:57:03
If you're going all out this summer, you need WeatherTech. Visit weathertech.com today.
00:57:08
Goodbye. Bye. And now, another mouth-watering recipe from Marikon, the world's finest rice vinegar.
00:57:16
How about a Marikon hot chicken sandwich with tangy slaw and pickled cucumbers? It's bold, crispy, and spicy with chili, garlic, and bright tangy notes.
00:57:26
The secret? Marikon Genuine Brewed Rice Vinegar. It adds a zesty kick that elevates sauces, marinades, and homemade condiments.
00:57:34
Craving sweet and savory? Try Marikon Seasoned Gourmet Rice Vinegar. A flavor bomb delivering perfectly balanced taste.
00:57:42
Great for spring vegetables, fresh slaws, and grilled proteins. Marikon has crafted premium rice vinegar in Japan since 1649 and brewed in the U.S. for over 50 years.
00:57:53
Next time you're at the market, pick up a bottle of Marikon Genuine Brewed with a green label or seasoned gourmet with the orange label.
00:58:01
Then check out ricevinegar.com for more delicious recipes. because the food you love is better with Marikon,
00:58:07
the world's finest rice vinegar. I just want to share one of my favorite memories
00:58:16
of being in Cold War Russia when the Iron Curtain was still up. Sardines. And yet we were high school students
00:58:24
that were just like, hey, what's up? We've got a bunch of money. International incident.
00:58:28
It's just like waiting to happen. So it was like, it was very, you know, communist Russia while we were there.
00:58:40
There were like these big, we would say in these big, huge hotels that were relatively empty.
00:58:45
That looked like they were built in the late 1800s or something like that. Huge, tall ceilings.
00:58:50
And it was really insanely picturesque and gorgeous. And at the same time, surreal and bizarre.
00:58:57
yeah and but my favorite night and i think i've talked about like we got lost on that the moscow
00:59:03
subway which is gorgeous it looks like the whole thing looks like a museum it's it has chandeliers
00:59:09
and this gorgeous tile and uh we got a lot we were drunk and we got lost and then some
00:59:14
russian soldiers just found like brought us back we don't know how or how they knew where we were
00:59:20
staying it was super crazy but one time we went to a bar and it was just like there was just a
00:59:26
sign, like a sign that said bar in Russian, essentially, and downstairs, and then you go in
00:59:32
and everything was exactly the same color. It was like this dark brown gray, and it was just all old
00:59:38
men. Nothing. Everything was just dark brown and gray. Everyone's closed the whole bar, the paint
00:59:44
on the wall. It was just this weird thing. So we walk up and I'm about to order us all like six
00:59:50
vodkas you know because we were allowed to drink because we were all you know of age in Europe my friend Jennifer Gearing who the funniest person of all time goes up to the bar leans up and goes hey can I get six vodka Collins and like the guy behind the counter does not speak
01:00:06
English they don't have fucking Collins mix yeah I mean like everything about I was like go sit down
01:00:12
you're embarrassing me you're embarrassing me and communist Russia go sit down it was
01:00:16
fucking hilarious vodka Collins is our new murderina drink of choice right can I get like
01:00:22
like savaka collins and it's just a guy that looked like he was out of central casting and
01:00:27
hated you guys yet okay um so my story this week is one that we haven't done yet it's super famous
01:00:37
people to ask us to do it all the time and then ask us why we haven't done it great and it's
01:00:41
another one of those ones where it's like i'm gonna save it for a live show no no i want to do
01:00:45
it at a live show and it's so depressing and i don't want to do it yeah because it is the hideous
01:00:50
and I am telling you if you have any any issues or triggers around molestation incest uh sexual
01:01:00
abuse at all you do not want to listen to the story because it's fucking terrible it's the
01:01:05
story of Fred and Rosemary West oh yeah it is a good one it's so like I have attempted to do this
01:01:12
story I think like four different times and every time just like I don't this is awful I want to
01:01:17
hear it and I don't have those triggers because I'm a fucking monster who likes terrible things
01:01:22
all the time. Right. But I can imagine you doing this at the London show and it just going quiet.
01:01:27
Yes. But then you're like, why didn't you do it? I know it's such a weird balance. But it's also
01:01:32
like, yeah, it's for live shows. We need to be able to talk to each other and like at least have a
01:01:37
semblance of a good time and interaction. And this is just all this is some of the darkest shit of
01:01:44
all time. Well, I must not know all the dark shit then. So tell me. Yeah, it's crazy. And but the
01:01:48
good thing that that I was happy about is early on, I, I tried to do a recommendation and tried
01:01:57
to reference this show called it was a I think originally it was like a TV show in England.
01:02:05
Starring Emily Watson called Appropriate Adult. And it stars Emily Watson. It's Dominic West,
01:02:12
who is from The Wire, but he's an amazing British actor. And then this incredible actress who I still can't get over.
01:02:24
Her performance, she plays Rosemary West, and her name is Monica Dolan. And she is so fucking good.
01:02:34
I don't have a picture of her. She's so fucking good in this thing, Inappropriate Adult.
01:02:38
So Emily Watson plays, essentially there's a thing in England, it's when you, they have a person that's essentially like a citizen social worker that just is there as the witness to make sure that the person when they're being interviewed by police is being treated fairly.
01:02:54
Victims advocate. What's that? It's a victim. Oh, you mean, but it's a murderer advocate.
01:02:59
Exactly. It's like basically, and it's for, it's usually either for children who've been arrested or for people who are like somehow, um, have maybe a learning disability or something wrong with them.
01:03:10
But they, so they bring her, they bring, you know, this woman in, um, to, to be this, I believe her name was Janet Leach.
01:03:18
And it's a true story. So when it gets that part, you can, I would 1000% recommend appropriate adult.
01:03:25
I'm watching it. It's available on iTunes. Dude. And it's in two parts. So but it basically goes into once he's arrested and it goes into the insanity of like how the whole case kind of unfolds.
01:03:41
So anyway, that that's part of where I got this whole story. But and then there was an article in The Independent written by Will Bennett in October of 1995 where I got a bunch of information.
01:03:52
um so we'll start with rosemary west uh unlike anyone in in any i just can't like when you talk
01:04:03
about this woman you see a picture of her steven would you pull up a picture oh i know she's like
01:04:09
super motherly right yes she looks like every mom from the 80s like the really big glasses
01:04:14
and like just a short kind of reasonable hair yeah a little frump a little frump zone
01:04:19
she's in the front zone for sure she's had some kids she's lived like she just doesn't carry her
01:04:24
eight kids she's like she just yeah holy fuck yeah so she's she just looks like the average
01:04:31
lady walking down the street with her grocery and no shame on the front zone like i have a front zone
01:04:35
i'm the mayor of the fucking front zone so don't worry about it great um yeah this photo of them
01:04:42
is just classic she took her glasses off for the photo it just looks like they're on a sears couch
01:04:47
with the best wallpaper I've ever seen in my life in the background. It looks like the fucking canvas we have in the.
01:04:54
Yes. And they use that inappropriate adult. They have her sitting on a couch in front of that wallpaper.
01:05:00
Like so they they clearly tried to recreate the house as it was. And this house is so fucking creepy.
01:05:05
She looks cute. She's got her little like Dorothy Hamill haircut. He looks like if Jemaine, not Jemaine.
01:05:16
Yeah, if Jemaine from fucking Flight of the Conchords, like really wanted to go all out and play like an ugly, gross dude.
01:05:23
Don't you think? I think Jemaine Clement is hot as fuck. Don't get me wrong. No, he is for sure.
01:05:28
He looks like a leisure suit Jemaine. It's like Jemaine on Halloween trying to be a monster.
01:05:33
Right. Essentially. Right. Because he does look a lot like he looks like a Muppets monster.
01:05:38
yes his teeth are crazy he has a unibrow um his but small eyes and he just he looks like he's up
01:05:46
to no good totally um and that's also why he's so fascinating in um uh appropriate adult you get
01:05:54
that sense of what a true psychopath he is i bet he had like a crazy laugh What I bet he had like a crazy laugh Oh maybe Like an unexpected Something you wouldn expect
01:06:05
Like the kind of laugh that would make you leave a bar. Right. No matter how many vodka collins you had waiting for you.
01:06:10
It would like kind of jar you. Yes. So, okay. So Rosemary was born Rosemary Letts in Devon, November 29th, 1953.
01:06:19
And of course it is, it's all of these, they're both of their backgrounds. tragedy from jump so rosemary's parents he actually calls her rose for the most of the time
01:06:30
um both of her parents suffer from mental illness her mother when she's pregnant with rose falls
01:06:37
into a deep depression and they give her electroshock therapy with a baby with the baby so
01:06:43
there's lots of theorizing that uh there was prenatal injury to her probably definitely in
01:06:49
the brain um so because when uh rose is growing up lots of aggression lots of temper tantrums
01:06:56
she's terrible student um the parents have a terrible marriage her father bill is a paranoid
01:07:03
schizophrenic oh fuck yep um so he's super violent and he is terrifying he is uh there's just this
01:07:11
awful presence in the home um to the point where the mother moves herself and rosemary out of the
01:07:18
house um but uh in her adolescence rosemary moves back into the house um and it's around the same
01:07:27
time so she hits puberty and becomes obsessed with her body and her developing body she has a
01:07:33
brother that she walks around naked in front of all the time that she begins to engage in incestuous
01:07:39
acts with um and uh she essentially it's not happening out of the blue it turns out her father
01:07:48
has been molesting her since she was 13 years old. Of course she has. Yeah. And so Rosemary not only is obsessed with sex,
01:07:57
but she's also preoccupied with older men. And that's how she ends up meeting Fred West.
01:08:06
Because Rosemary is 15 when she meets the 27-year-old Fred West. Shut up. Yeah. Ew.
01:08:14
Yeah. so she's she is a sophomore in high school and he's fucking 27 oh my god and fred one of the
01:08:23
worst people ever to exist as a child he was beaten and molested when he was 17 he got into
01:08:29
a car accident that left him with a limp and a metal plate in his head head injury right
01:08:34
frontal cortex after after that uh car accident he was never the same can you imagine knowing
01:08:40
someone who got in a car accident or like living with them and being they're acting really like
01:08:43
that always scares me when people are like he wasn't acting the same after that yeah like if
01:08:48
vince got in a car accident and then started getting like these rage outbursts yeah what would
01:08:52
i do it happens all the time it happens to people all the time i couldn't it's terrifying yeah it's
01:08:57
really awful also he's but i don't i think that he probably wasn't the greatest before the car
01:09:03
100 because he also sustained another head injury when a woman pushed him off a fire escape because
01:09:09
he stuck his hand up her skirt uh for her can you imagine i know she's like get the fuck out of here
01:09:16
holy also at some point along the line he got his own sister pregnant i was really trying to make georgia do a spit take with her can of wine not in my own house
01:09:27
gross not in my backyard only on stage um so then he moves to scotland after all that he moves to
01:09:33
scotland to become an ice cream truck driver oh but he uh-huh but he comes back to england after
01:09:40
he runs over a four-year-old child so we're on strike 19 now with fred west can't just put him
01:09:48
to sleep not no good um so in the late 60s he comes back to england and he gets a job as of
01:09:54
course a builder because for some reason all of these serial killers somehow go into the
01:10:02
contracting field it's the weirdest fucking thing i guess it's the independent work schedule
01:10:07
hammers i don't know burial easy burial tool tools and cement so uh the only good thing anyone says
01:10:16
about him is that he's known to be a hard worker which is like good for him right so he's on coke
01:10:21
probably exactly or he just loves fucking nails dig yeah um so it's around this time where he meets
01:10:29
15 year old hi rose hi i'm 15 hi i'm 27 yeah and but she's like well i've always had this paranoid
01:10:36
schizophrenic molester father yeah so this is better um that horrible father objects strongly
01:10:43
to rose's having her this relationship with this old man essentially with the crazy crazy teeth
01:10:49
um but she basically believes that they believe that they are like psychically connected and
01:10:57
there's this part in appropriate adult like psycho like right it's really what it is yeah
01:11:03
there's a part in appropriate adult where he fred spoiler alert he ends up getting arrested
01:11:09
he's in the police station and he goes oh rose is in the police station and they're like no no
01:11:15
she's not here we haven't arrested her yet and he goes no she's here and then they leave the
01:11:20
interrogation room and she was there and no one no one in the room knew she was there except for
01:11:25
Fred. So there is this, they have a very odd, creepy, creepy, creepy connection and thing. Um,
01:11:33
so, uh, their relationship starts. He is abusive to her. Of course he's sexually,
01:11:39
you know, technically sexually assaulting her and raping her. She's 15. Um, uh, but he's also
01:11:46
violent with her cause he's a violent person. So she's, uh, becomes pregnant relatively soon after
01:11:53
this affair starts. And she gives birth to their daughter in 1970. Their daughter.
01:12:00
named Heather when Rosemary is 17. Fred West already has two children from a previous relationship.
01:12:10
And at his sister? No, he's had a different relationship. He's sent to prison for petty theft and for fine evasion around the same time.
01:12:23
So 17-year-old, highly unstable Rose becomes mother to now three children all at once.
01:12:30
She has to take over those other two kids? Yeah. Jesus. Is that what they call it?
01:12:34
Takeover? It is a full takeover. So Fred, it's two daughters, unfortunately, Charmaine and Anna Marie
01:12:41
are his daughters that he had from a previous relationship with a woman named Rena Costello.
01:12:49
And so at some point, while Fred is still in jail and Rosemary is taking care of those three kids,
01:12:56
Charmaine, one of Fred's daughters, disappears. uh-huh and when asked where she's gone rose tells people that she's gone to scotland to
01:13:06
to live with her biological mother uh-huh um so when fred gets out of jail uh he comes back and
01:13:14
they move from the house that they did live in to the now infamous 20 house at 25 cromwell street
01:13:22
in Gloucester. And the neighbors know them as slightly eccentric, but nice. They people say
01:13:30
that they're the kind of neighbors that would do anything for you. And that's because they have
01:13:33
no fucking idea what's going on in what is actually an in truth, a complete hell house.
01:13:39
So it turns out Rosemary is a sex worker who is working out of her own home. Okay. And they have
01:13:47
set up the house the bedrooms have are outfitted with cameras and listening devices she's still a
01:13:54
teenager at this point she is yeah basically you know 18 or 19 or something yeah she's in her late
01:14:01
teens early 20s when all this starts so fred can watch these sessions sessions she's having
01:14:07
with her clients from afar and in the house um and if that's not dark enough for you it's not
01:14:17
dark enough for me okay then one of her clients is her own father bill uh-huh that then fred knows
01:14:24
that that's dark enough for me that well it gets darker because then rose eventually encourages
01:14:30
fred to begin to sexually abuse anna marie and rose would join in that i mean she is what the
01:14:39
it actually reminds me of the ken and barbie killers uh carlo molca right and from canada
01:14:46
Like giving you a gift. She gives him the gift of her sister kind of a thing. Exactly.
01:14:51
Oh, my. It's the insane sexual assault, incest. Just psychopaths who have no emotional fucking understanding of human emotions.
01:15:01
And it's the thing of when women do that, when they're mothers and they do it to their own children.
01:15:08
And it truly, it's this taboo that is truly mind-blowing. But it's not a taboo to them because they were raped by their fathers, too.
01:15:15
That's exactly right. It's not fucking weird. Exactly right. That was childhood for them, for both of these people.
01:15:22
Oh, my God. No good. So they then began selling Anna Marie to pedophiles. No. Yeah.
01:15:30
How old is she? At the time, I think that started when she was eight, around the age of eight.
01:15:36
Oh, my God. We'll go one darker. Okay. The grandfather was a client also. So fucking Rosemary's gross rapist dad.
01:15:48
Yeah. Jesus Christ. Just the worst. This is so again, for all the people who inquired, this is why I would I would get to about this part and just be like, yeah, this is the worst story ever told.
01:15:59
So eventually Rose gets pregnant and has eight different children. Five of them are Fred West.
01:16:07
Holy shit. Three of them are fathered by clients. they're not sure exactly who they are but but are any of them her dad uh they don't i not nothing i
01:16:18
read said that but it could definitely be there were rumors that some of them were local authority
01:16:24
figures yes so um i think that's why this went like on it was rumored but it was never reported
01:16:32
for a long time that things went on in this household for way way way too long because this
01:16:38
was basically uh the sex worker of of town yeah and so nobody was like but it's also like if this
01:16:44
authority figure comes in to you know have sex for money with rosemary it's not like he knows
01:16:50
the other shit's going on in the house so it's not like he would have looked into it he didn't
01:16:55
look into you know you know what i mean right it's not like they were getting reports and then they
01:17:00
were ignoring them right but they also were were in no way trying to look at anything that was
01:17:05
happening in that house. Sure. Because they knew at least they were guilty of something.
01:17:08
Right. And also there was a lot of kind of intense S&M bondage. What? Yeah. Violence, sex.
01:17:15
It's, yeah. At one point when they live on Cromwell Street, Rena Costello shows up
01:17:22
to get her daughters back from Fred. Okay. And Rena disappears. So the mom of the two girls,
01:17:29
one of whom is Ixnay, not around anymore. That mom disappears. Yes. Oh my God. So, okay.
01:17:36
So in 1972, and this is when basically it goes from the ultimate depravity within the
01:17:45
household and within their own family and their own home. And then they begin to branch out.
01:17:49
In 1972 they pick up a 17 hitchhiker named Carolyn Owens and they ask if she be their nanny because they have all these kids and they need extra help She says yes She finds them nice charming whatever And she moves into the house on Cromwell Street
01:18:08
And after two weeks, she tries to leave because, of course, it's fucking a living hell and insanity.
01:18:16
But Fred and Rose go out and they find her hitchhiking and they pick her back up.
01:18:21
They get her back into the car. Rose begins to sexually assault her. And then Fred, as she's trying to fight Rose off, Fred pulls over, punches her in the face, and she goes unconscious.
01:18:31
When she wakes up, she's back at 25 Cromwell Street, gagged, hands-bound. She's molested all night by Rose.
01:18:40
And in the morning, she convinces them, if they let her go, she's not going to say anything to anybody.
01:18:45
But it's fine, no big deal. So they fucking let her go. She goes straight to the cops, tells them what happened.
01:18:50
The West are arrested. They're charged with assault. quote assault occasioning actual bodily harm and with indecent assault but caroline's too scared to
01:19:01
actually testify against them in court she can't handle going to court and so on january 12th 1973
01:19:07
um the west plead guilty but they're fined a hundred pounds and released are you fucking
01:19:14
kidding me they never serve any time for that assault and then soon after that young girls
01:19:20
around Gloucester begin disappearing. Most of them come from broken homes or they're single women traveling by themselves.
01:19:29
So no one really hears much about it. Not until 1992. What? Yeah. So 72 when they first kidnapped the girls.
01:19:39
Yeah. To fucking 92, which I was alive then. And it wasn't that long ago. 20 years.
01:19:46
These people are kind of just doing whatever. Are you fucking kidding me? But here's what's happened.
01:19:51
So there's lots of rumors around town. Do people know? Is it a small town? It kind of is, right?
01:19:56
I don't know anything about Gloucester. I didn't look anything up, but it's not big.
01:20:00
Yeah. It's no London is what they say in my mind that I'm making up right now. So finally, someone goes to the police and says Fred West is raping his 13 year old daughter and someone needs to do something about it.
01:20:16
Um, so social services starts investigating the West family and this is when it all kicks
01:20:21
off. Okay. Um, so authorities enter the home at 25 Cromwell street and they find tons of insane, obscene
01:20:30
paraphernalia everywhere. So it's not just like they have, you know, they have those rooms that are outfitted with
01:20:36
the cameras that where Rosemary has her clients, but they have shit everywhere. Are there photos?
01:20:42
Um, oh, I don't know. I'm not the photo person. I'm going to go look. do it go down all right i mean i've definitely there's definitely horrible wallpaper i'll tell
01:20:50
you that there's some there's like each room has a different color and scheme and everything where
01:20:56
you're like the person that built this house is crazy is a monster is it doesn't care about
01:21:01
aesthetics at all so they basically pull the children out of the house and they are interviewed
01:21:07
by police and social workers and they start hearing these insane stories of sexual abuse
01:21:13
Poor babies. And emotional abuse. And just, you know, these parents are crazy. So Fred West is arrested for raping his 13-year-old daughter.
01:21:22
And Rose is arrested for child cruelty. But the 13-year-old daughter refuses to testify against her parents.
01:21:30
And so in June of 1993, the case falls apart. Shut up. Yeah, once again. But authorities know this really bad shit is taking place.
01:21:39
and when they're interviewing all the children, they're trying to find... The first daughter?
01:21:45
Yes, who they said had gone back to live with her mother. Oh, okay, right, right, right.
01:21:50
So police are trying now to track down Heather Ress. Fred and Rose say that she left home in 1987
01:21:57
following a family disagreement, but now she works at a holiday village in Devonshire
01:22:01
and that they get phone calls from her every once in a while and they'd actually taken a phone call from Heather
01:22:09
in front of the children one time so that the children also said, oh, yes, Heather called home that one time.
01:22:14
Mom and dad both talked to her. We didn't. They didn't let us talk to her. So then they start talking to Heather's friends,
01:22:22
and that's when they find out that 1987 was around the time Heather started telling her friends about the insane abuse
01:22:29
that was going on in their home. So authorities are putting together that she disappeared right around the time
01:22:36
she started confiding to other people what was actually happening so then all the younger west
01:22:42
children are put into basically the british version of foster care and which is called foster care
01:22:48
they call it care yeah put into care you have to whisper it so uh when they when the kids start
01:22:58
talking to their the foster carers they start telling the story about if you misbehaved at home
01:23:05
they um fred and rosemary would tell the kids um if you don't behave you're going to go under the
01:23:11
patio where heather is yeah and so everyone's like ding ding ding can you imagine if you're
01:23:17
foster parenting or foster care you're a foster carer yeah and your kid's like oh i don't want to
01:23:22
go under the house like the like my sister like my sister who disappeared chills i mean horrifying
01:23:28
so so it's almost like everyone's just going like oh what what sorry what like say that again
01:23:33
It's all like unfolding. Like, oh, these people who look like the most average people.
01:23:39
Boring, even. Super boring. And it's like, oh, there's this insane seamy underside.
01:23:44
Yeah. So when they go so they basically they go in and they dig up the patio and they find the bones of Heather West And so and this is where basically Appropriate Adult starts at Fred arrest no way um where they he had taken them to the house and he was it he so crazy and he talking like he tells
01:24:10
police yeah you you can come because she's buried in the backyard then he changes his story then he
01:24:15
changes it again he's doing all this stuff and he's trying to manipulate Janet Leach the appropriate
01:24:20
adult so he's looking at her going you should maybe check over there while he's denying that
01:24:25
anyone's buried anywhere to the police it's almost like he's two different people yeah or nine
01:24:30
different people like it's truly truly either it's super um psychopathic manipulation like he's
01:24:37
masterminding it or he's really stupid and just kind of playing it moment to moment yeah it's very
01:24:43
hard to tell or that thing where it's like well if i'm gonna get fucked for this i want all the
01:24:46
credit so like here's some other shit you should go look into yeah like you it's interesting it's
01:24:50
like that thing where does he like the attention yeah like this weird relationship he's trying to
01:24:55
build he's clearly getting her interest because she's just supposed to be there standing there
01:25:01
like witnessing things and making sure the police don't abuse a person who would be right you know
01:25:06
in custody that sure everybody would want to punch in the face several times absolutely it might help
01:25:11
his fucking stupid looking face to knock some teeth back into place so basically because of
01:25:19
his hints and these things where he goes he ain't like maybe we should go down and look in the cellar
01:25:24
and then when they get down the cellar he's like no the spirits are telling me we we shouldn't be
01:25:28
down here so then the investigators like dig up this entire cellar and that's when they find six
01:25:35
bodies of women buried in a circle chronologically from when they disappeared. So Linda Goff is found in the cellar and she went missing on April 19th, 1973.
01:25:49
Holy shit. She was 19 years old and she was a seamstress. She, you know, her, she was close to their family.
01:25:57
Her, she, when she disappears without a word, her mother starts asking around and the information
01:26:02
She leads to the West's house on Cromwell Street. And when she knocks on the door, Rosemary is like, oh, you know, we haven't seen her.
01:26:13
And then as Mrs. Goff is talking to her, she realizes that Rosemary is wearing Linda's slippers and cardigan.
01:26:21
And then she looks and sees that Linda's clothes are hanging on the clothesline.
01:26:26
So, yeah. So she's like, what the fuck? Explain my face right now. Just, I guess, horror?
01:26:31
Horror. Horror. Horror? Horror. Then there's Caroline Cooper, who is 15 years old.
01:26:40
She disappeared in November of 1973 on her way to visit her grandmother in Worcester.
01:26:48
If it's the Boston pronounced Worcester. I bet you it's fucking not. Yeah, I bet it's Worcester.
01:26:55
Nancy Parkington is 21. She was a student at Exeter in December of 1973. she went home for Christmas and then she went out to visit her school friend at 1015 on the 27th of
01:27:08
December she was going to catch the last bus home never seen again do we think that this is all
01:27:14
hitchhiking related uh you know I'm not sure because it's it's some of these are these people
01:27:21
who are traveling so then you know not just I'm not victim blaming but because but I think
01:27:25
hitchhiking was a really normal thing and to get into a car of a couple if you fucking watch
01:27:30
Hounds of Love, that Australian murder I did that one time. Or any of these stories.
01:27:36
Yeah, it's like hitchhiking was very normal. They probably had a baby in the car with them, one of their babies.
01:27:42
That's right. You know the story of the girl who was kept in a box under the bed? The girl in the box.
01:27:48
That's how they got hurt. They also found the body of 21-year-old Swiss student Therese
01:27:55
Seigenthaler. She'd been studying sociology in London, and she had decided to hitchhike across England. And somewhere she disappeared
01:28:06
somewhere on that trip. And also a 15 year old named Shirley Hubbard, who was last seen in
01:28:13
November of 1974. She was from a broken home. There's a couple girls who were found in that
01:28:19
basement who were had been in either foster care or their parents were divorced. And they had
01:28:24
started going to the West's house or hanging out there and then disappeared. One of those was 18
01:28:32
year old Juanita Mott, who that was exactly her story. So those were the bodies in the cellar.
01:28:39
And then they had also dug up the garden, which is near the patio where Heather was buried. And
01:28:45
they found Shirley Ann Robinson, an 18 year old who had moved into the West's house. She started
01:28:51
having an affair with Fred and gotten pregnant by him in May of 1978. And that's when she
01:28:57
disappeared. So she, her body was in the garden. So basically the police thinking that they're
01:29:04
just looking for the missing daughter discovered that basically these two people had been like
01:29:10
these monstrous serial killers and sex abusers. Most of the bodies had been decapitated and
01:29:16
dismembered thank you dismembered holy shit yeah and just clearly they there was evidence of torture
01:29:25
this wasn't just like a simple yeah you know it was the they were the worst of the worst
01:29:31
they and the problem is that they have no evidence that rosemary's tied to any of these murders
01:29:37
until they dig up the kitchen floor in the west's old house on midland avenue can you imagine if
01:29:46
you're living there and you gotta knock at the door and they're like, Hey, hi, hi,
01:29:50
real quick. Sorry. We're the police. And you got to deal on this house. There's some,
01:29:54
there a reason that you feel cold spots around and bad vibes always Oh no Because Fred daughter Charmaine body was buried So remember when Charmaine disappeared because Fred was in jail
01:30:07
Yeah, yeah. Well, Rosemary killed her. And then when Fred got out of jail, Rosemary was, she had hidden the body.
01:30:15
Fred's the one that put the body under the kitchen floor. Oh, my God. Yeah. So he, they were in on it together from the beginning.
01:30:21
Yeah. And they actually had a, there's a documentary about this. There's lots of documentaries you can watch on the Wests.
01:30:29
There's two on YouTube, and one of them is about the forensic dentistry and how much it played into this case.
01:30:37
Yeah, yeah. Because that's how they pinpointed the time of Charmaine's death, and that's how they got it to say,
01:30:44
Rosemary is the one who was responsible, not Fred, because he was in jail. Oh, that's good.
01:30:48
Otherwise, they probably wouldn't have, they would have given her a plea to like testify
01:30:52
against her. Against him. Like she wasn't necessarily involved or whatever. And this was like, no, no, no.
01:30:56
She was, she had a hand in the killing and she had a hand in this torture and all, you
01:31:01
know, all of that. Holy shit. So eventually, um, Rose is charged with 10 counts of murder and Fred is charged with 12
01:31:09
counts of murder. And when they go to trial, so they separate the two of them. When they go to trial, Rose will not look at or interact with Fred in any way.
01:31:19
And it basically makes him go crazy. And he freaks out and hangs himself in his cell.
01:31:27
What? So he commits suicide. He never he basically doesn't. He never gets charged with anything because I have never studied this murder.
01:31:36
Clearly. So are these people? They're so fucking crazy. And the whole thing and his what a dick.
01:31:41
He fucking hanged himself. yeah but if you watch like especially an appropriate adult his weird connection with
01:31:47
her and his weird like he defends her in the beginning he says she has nothing to do with it
01:31:51
in the beginning and then it's just it's a classic case of that like he's the her abuser but then
01:31:58
i think over the years she became his yeah before a suicide there's an interview with the police
01:32:03
where he's quoted as saying you've the murders wrong nobody went through hell it was sexual
01:32:09
encounters gone wrong. So he tried to intimate that it was some kind of like sex play where
01:32:15
people were, it was voluntary up until the last minute. You know, that thing where people are getting
01:32:19
into getting decapitated during sex? Right, and also that accident doesn't happen 12 times,
01:32:25
you fucking asshole. No. Here's the cool part. Carolyn Roberts, who is the hitchhiker who was afraid to testify
01:32:31
for her own trial, came back and testified in this murder trial, and she's the reason that Rosemary West
01:32:38
got convicted and is still in jail to this day she's still alive she's still in jail in last july
01:32:46
she was diagnosed with glaucoma and she's going blind and she said in a quote to the newspaper
01:32:52
if i go blind i'm going to commit suicide and everyone's like okay yeah everyone's like that's
01:33:00
fine um oh my god the really weird thing is in 1996 they went to demolish 25 cromwell street
01:33:06
it took when the the old house the new house the new house that's where all the horrible things
01:33:11
happened it took them five days to knock the house down i don't i i'm not sure if i mean it
01:33:17
was made of cement if he did so much building and burying and cementing and doing things inside the
01:33:24
house i mean the whole thing was um you know it was like this bizarre fortress that they had built
01:33:33
and that these horrible things were happening. And of course, the police were immediately
01:33:37
like get rid of that as an entity. But then it just took them forever. It's like they couldn't knock it down.
01:33:45
So that's the quickest, most lightest, like dipping into talking about the important things
01:33:52
but not living in the horror show. But you definitely can. You know I'm gonna. Yeah.
01:33:57
But there's really good... I mean, Appropriate Adult is such an incredible... Um, it's such an incredible way to present the story because Janet Leach is as this person
01:34:09
who is like the, you know, mandated witness is sitting there and, you know, also it was
01:34:15
her first case as an appropriate adult. I feel like never have a first case anywhere because it's always anything.
01:34:21
I know, but for something like this, you'd think it would be like, you know, just standard,
01:34:27
standard physical child abuse where she gets used to it, cuts her teeth. And there's just this amazing scene where when he starts confessing, he's saying it like he goes, well, yeah, I did Barry Barry Heather's body under the patio.
01:34:40
Like he just starts talking about it like they're talking about the news. And in the background, Emily Watson playing Janet Leach is just sitting there with her face.
01:34:48
And it looks like her face is slowly dropping off of her skull because she's just like, what the fuck?
01:34:53
And she's there as his guy. Yeah. You know, she's supposed to be his right hand man of like, you're you're there if the police try to abuse me.
01:34:59
You're there if the, and suddenly this is the monster that she has to work with.
01:35:03
And then it basically, the story comes out through their relationship where he keeps turning to her and going, you're the only one that, you know, you're the only friend I have in the world.
01:35:13
She's like, I'm not your friend. It's incredible. And she has her own whole life.
01:35:17
She has kids that like, she's not getting home till late because she has to work on this case that every word she hears is like, she can't unhear it.
01:35:25
And then she goes home and looks at her beautiful children. They're all sitting around the dinner table.
01:35:29
It's amazing that I think that is like the best way to tell the story is through a person whose life is so horribly impacted.
01:35:38
Then it goes into whole things of testifying and her selling her story because she didn't have a ton of money.
01:35:44
All the judgments and all the therapy she's going to need afterwards. Insanity. So crazy.
01:35:49
Yeah. So watch Appropriate Adult parts one and two. I'm gonna. Yeah. That was amazing.
01:35:56
So now we got that done. We never have to talk about that. Fuck. Those monsters again.
01:36:01
Karen, great job. Thank you. Thank you. That was very... It has bothered me that I haven't done it, just because it is one of the worst of the
01:36:08
worst. Yeah. And we talk about terrible stuff all the time, but for some reason...
01:36:12
Yeah, it is weird that we never did that. It's just so much... It's just so specifically awful.
01:36:17
Yeah. Really bad. Well, speaking of the opposite of awful... Right. Which we always do at the end.
01:36:25
We always try to do. I have one. What's your fucking hooray? I have one at hand this week.
01:36:30
I love it. And part of the reason last week that I was hesitating so much is because I wanted to do this one.
01:36:35
I just hadn't finished the audio book yet. Oh, yeah. So I wanted to wait until I was done.
01:36:40
Okay. So this fucking book, and now I'm going to make sure I say the guy's name correctly.
01:36:46
But I actually think I'm going to listen to it again because the story is so goddamn insane.
01:36:52
And it was recommended to me by a friend of the show, Billy Jensen. It's called Bad Blood and it's written by a man named John Carreyrou.
01:37:02
And he is a Washington, sorry, a Wall Street Journal reporter. And this story got brought to him.
01:37:13
And it is the it's called Bad Blood, Secrets and Lies in the South, Silicon Valley startup.
01:37:18
And I don't want to tell you too much about it. But basically, when all the dot coms that, you know, the startup boom happened and it's this it begins around 2007.
01:37:31
And it's a 22 year old Stanford dropout who begins her own tech company. and she's gonna start a new type of blood testing system
01:37:43
where instead of using hypodermic needles, which she claims to be scared of, she's gonna start a finger stick system
01:37:52
where you only need a drop of blood and then they can diagnose diseases and tell you what wrong with you and all this stuff And she basically takes that concept gets all this financial backing and eventually this company gets evaluated at being worth billion
01:38:10
She uses this. And she is on the covers of all the magazines and all this stuff.
01:38:14
Well, the truth of it, the whole fucking thing is a scam. I love it. She doesn't have any medical experience.
01:38:20
She doesn't have any science experience. she doesn't know anything about this thing she's she is such a big um uh you know that she's
01:38:29
starting a fucking startup for she just wants the idea of it to happen so all the scientists over
01:38:34
the years that start to come and work for her and to try to build this thing are like yeah this
01:38:39
it doesn't exist already because it can't exist right you need more blood than that to test for
01:38:44
things um and she's like basically is like make it happen she gets all these people powerful people
01:38:50
on the board. I picture her as Janice from the Muppets. She's, she's like evil Janice from the
01:38:55
Muppets, but there's parts of this book. It's this thing of how, if you have a bunch of money and
01:39:01
you're a liar, you like, and you're a sociopath, you can kind of do anything you want because she
01:39:07
keeps on convincing people to back her, give her money and support her while scientists and
01:39:14
medical experts go, this isn't real. And the, her board and all these people go, you're fired.
01:39:20
And they just keep getting rid of the naysayers. Yeah, yeah. And until... It's a great way to live your life is just get rid of any people who, like, try to help you.
01:39:27
Yeah, look around your life. If you're the kind of person that can't be contradicted or criticized or told anything negative about yourself,
01:39:35
and because of that you cut people out of your life, you're going to have humongous problems.
01:39:41
You have to have those voices. And whether whether it's in your personal life or starting a a business where people's lives are on the line.
01:39:52
She had a humongous deal with Safeway She had a huge deal with Walgreens They were going to set up like these wellness centers in Walgreens where you could go in get your finger pricked
01:40:04
And in four hours, they'd tell you if you had any disease at all. Wow. That was like the selling point.
01:40:09
And she was like, yep, we can make it happen. And all the scientists are like, it doesn't it's not real.
01:40:14
What's it called? Bad blood. It's called bad blood. And it's one of the best books I've listened to in a really long time.
01:40:20
I love it. Yeah. um okay cool wait did i just tell the whole fucking book sorry i didn't mean to no i didn't
01:40:28
mean to go on that long i just loved it that's exciting i guess mine is um that i'm going on
01:40:34
vacation tomorrow for the first time in a very long time uh but also everyone go listen to the
01:40:40
new season of in the dark now that it's over it's really uh upsetting but in a good way and it's a
01:40:47
great podcast too and i'm just excited to fucking lay out and eat uh raw seafood towers
01:40:54
and listen to books and podcasts and just fucking chill and this is gonna be so nice
01:41:01
and like i don't know man it's yeah vince and i are just gonna chill my dad and marty's gonna be
01:41:07
here with the cats it's gonna be great great yeah perfect that's it everyone needs a little vacay
01:41:13
every now and then. Yeah, they do. Yeah. Yeah, they do. Drink some Mai Tais. Swim up bar.
01:41:18
There's a swim up bar where I'm staying. Sure there is. I've never done that in my life.
01:41:21
You know, I can swim all around that pool. I got a fucking bikini or a bathing suit
01:41:25
that has bomb pops all over it. What are bomb pops? There's those popsicles that look the red way
01:41:30
and blue popsicles. Oh, yeah. It's cute. I'm excited. That's going to be awesome.
01:41:34
Yeah. All right. Well, you have to tell us all about it when you get back. I will.
01:41:37
Everyone, thank you so much for listening. Email us at, no, Thank you. We really appreciate you guys.
01:41:47
This is a really fun fucking time in our lives that we did not expect to happen And it all because you guys listen to us and like us for some reason and just keep butting in on our private conversations the more we yell at you the more you stay it it such a
01:42:03
great relationship it is uh yeah thanks for being there and uh stay sexy and don't get murdered
01:42:09
Bye. Elvis, you want a cookie? Good one. A cookie? Yeah, cookie? All right. Cheap Caribbean summer savings event is here.
01:42:24
Right now, get $100 instant savings on vacation packages to Cancun, Jamaica, and the Dominican Republic.
01:42:30
Whether you're chasing poolside drinks, white sand beaches, or endless all-inclusive fun,
01:42:35
Cheap Caribbean helps you get more beach for less money. Book your summer vacay today at CheapCaribbean.com.
01:42:41
Goodbye. Pandora jewelry brings the sparkle to summer, now with even better prices.
01:42:46
Shop now for up to 50% off select jewelry featuring personalized pieces to must-have summer favorites.
01:42:52
Timeless jewelry made to move with you through every moment. Shop in-store or online now through July 5th.
01:42:58
Terms and conditions apply. See Pandora.net for more details. Goodbye. Clothes shopping? Not as easy or fun as it sounds.
01:43:06
You just want to feel confident in your clothes. You can spend hours scrolling, zooming in, reading reviews,
01:43:11
only to end up with a cart full of nothing that feels or fits right and a bunch of returns to do.
01:43:16
Stitch Fix makes it so much easier. A personal stylist sends pieces that match your size, style, and everything's in your budget.
01:43:23
No guesswork, no stress, and your guaranteed compliments. Here's how Stitch Fix works.
01:43:27
Take a quick style quiz, share your size, style, and budget, and get matched with a real human stylist who gets your vibe.
01:43:34
It's no risk, all style. Get a personalized fix box straight to your door and try it all on in the comfort of your home.
01:43:40
Shipping and returns are always free and there's no subscription required. Plus, get a free try on for your first fix.
01:43:46
Get started today at stitchfix.com slash murder to get $20 off your first order.
01:43:51
That's stitchfix.com slash murder. Goodbye.