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MFM Minisode 80

July 23, 2018 /

This episode discusses the story of Theranos and its founder Elizabeth Holmes, as well as personal anecdotes about family and friendships. Guests include Liz, who shares a friend's experience as a whistleblower at Theranos, and Mary Lou, who recounts a unique story about her mother's ashes.

Liz describes how her friend from Stanford worked at Theranos and recognized the company's blood testing technology was flawed. He became anxious about the situation and ultimately left the company, later becoming a whistleblower when the truth about Theranos emerged.

Mary Lou shares a poignant story about her mother passing away and how she unintentionally left her ashes in the trunk of her car for a year. The story takes a humorous turn when she realizes the ashes have spilled into her apartment after a year of being forgotten.

Additional stories include a creepy encounter with an older man who collected children's photos and a humorous take on 23andMe results gone wrong. The hosts reflect on the absurdity and emotional weight of these experiences.

The episode concludes with the hosts encouraging listeners to share their own stories and experiences, maintaining a light-hearted yet reflective tone throughout.

TLDR

Liz shares a friend's whistleblower story from Theranos, while Mary Lou humorously recounts leaving her mom's ashes in her trunk for a year.

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Stephen grabbed this for me because it's more about bad blood from Stanford. So this is off of the fucking hooray recommendation
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that I made. I believe it was last week's episode talking all about the scam company Theranos
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and their blood testing kits that never worked and yet they sold, you know, whatever.
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the company was valuated at billions of dollars. And the book Bad Blood, you told us all to read,
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was really interesting. It's so good. Or listen to. That's what I did. Do it. Okay.
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So, Georgia, Karen, Stephen, and furry friends. My ears immediately perked up when Karen started describing Bad Blood on episode 130.
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I couldn't contain my excitement for Karen's excitement about the story of Theranos.
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I think that's how it's pronounced. I can't remember. I knew about it pretty early on
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as my good friend from Stanford ratted out Elizabeth Holmes. And that's the 22-year-old startup mogul
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who basically got the whole thing off the ground. So here's the scoop. That was me, editor's note.
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Now we're back into the email. Here's the scoop. The summer after my senior year of undergrad at Stanford.
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Very difficult school to get into, by the way. You can't just walk up and say, I go here now?
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No, I think they don't allow commoners onto the campus. it's very it's like west coast the closest thing to ivy league you can get they have this thing
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where like when you try to push a shopping cart outside of the um uh the parking lot of a grocery
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store and it just goes and stops working yes except for it's snipers on the roof and they
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just fucking take you out and they bury your body in the forest cool up behind the football field
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i don't know i actually don't know that much about it where are we going uh not to college
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here's the scoop the summer after my senior year of undergrad at stanford i was living in a house
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with six people and then it says in parentheses we squeezed a couple of miles off campus many of
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us studied human biology in undergrad congratulations so almost all of us were doing research except
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for my friend who started a job at serenus every time even at that time it was a big deal as you
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know from media stories since, Elizabeth Holmes garnered an insane amount of capital for her
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company, and everyone thought that Theranos would revolutionize blood testing. I was interested to
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hear my friend's take on his new job. Every day, we'd all come home and debrief over dinner,
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and every day, my friend would tell stories about how the testing he was doing on Theranos kits was statistically insignificant, and that all the hype about the company was
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unwarranted. Oh my god. Such a weird feeling to be the science person that's like, yeah, this is
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bullshit at the center of a complete bullshit contest. Although I trusted his judgment,
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because he a super smart guy at first I thought his comments were just run my boss sucks complaints But as the summer wore on he grew more and more anxious He discovered that other comments were just run my boss sucks complaints But as the summer wore on he grew more and more anxious He discovered that other co were on the same page as he was
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And some of them quit as a result. He was thinking of quitting as well. But there were many conflicts of interest for him.
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And he was terrified of being blackmailed. Oh, shit. Which was a thing they did.
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They fucking got into everybody's email. Oh, my God. And they got into people's lives.
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They had endless amounts of money and lawyers. It is. It's like a rich cult. Oh, my God.
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Lawyer-based cult. Okay. After that summer was over, we all parted ways, and I didn't hear too much else about Theranos,
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except for that my friend eventually left the company. However, a few years later, Theranos was all over the news.
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Lo and behold, my friend was the main whistleblower. Crazy to think of what would have happened if he never said anything and how brave he was for doing so.
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Update. He's doing extremely well. And he's now dating one of my friends from the freshman dorm.
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Why do you find that hilarious? It's so like, oh my God, is he dating her? It's a detail that clearly is thrilling.
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And there's nothing better than someone you know starts dating someone else. You know that they didn't know each other.
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But the idea that we can in some way connect it. You mean from the dorm? He's dating Stacey?
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Holy shit. She was such a stoner. I don't think people smoke pot at Stanford, do they?
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Oh, yeah. They get paid to do it. Thanks for reading my feet. My thigh aunts and I can't wait to see you guys in L.A. on Halloween.
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Liz. Woo-hoo, Liz. Nice one, Liz. I love any updates about that story. I can't get enough.
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Like that that guy's dating Stacey? Oh, my God. Because Stacey, sorry, was a slut.
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She was a bitch. She was a... Okay. Well, this one's from my story from last week of the Romanovs.
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This one's called Romanov Diaries and My Friend's Grandma. Oh, yes. And I actually meant to say Romanov Diamonds and My Friend's Grandma.
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But I said it wrong. It's not like the Princess Diaries? No. And halfway is not in this email.
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No. I love being rich. Okay. My friend's grandma, now deceased, was an old Russian woman who escaped the West with her family.
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Escaped to the West. Right. With her family. She escaped to Russia. She ran into Russia.
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She hated all the cowboys. That's right. She escaped to the West with her family as the communist regime took over.
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She would never talk about her childhood. So my friend and her family never really knew much of anything.
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Man, tell us everything. The only thing they knew was that she had a handful of diamonds that were handed down to her from her mother.
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One day they were watching a TV special on the uncovering of the Winter Palace, home of the Romanovs.
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Yes. The Soviets had covered up certain rooms, and after the fall of the Soviet Union, they, and then it says in parentheses, you know, they.
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They. Recovered, recorded the reveal of the historic Romanov decor. As they uncovered a green marble fireplace, my friend's grandma began to cry because she remembers this fireplace from her childhood.
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She sat at the fireplace on the regular when she was little. It was learned that her mother, my friend's great-grandmother, was a teacher for the children of the Romanov family.
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The grandmother, as a child in the palace, grew up alongside Anastasia. No! And the other royal children.
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On a regular basis, the mother would tell stories to all of the children in front of the fireplace before they went to bed at night.
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When the family was slaughtered, everyone in the household was in danger, so she and her mother fled for their lives.
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Fuck! Because remember they killed, like, the doctor? Sure. My friend and her grandmother, my friend had her grandmother's jewels appraised, and the jeweler was somehow able to trace them back to old-timey Russia.
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We think that as they fled, they either swiped a handful of jewels or were given them by the Romanons.
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They were like in candy dishes. It was like, grab a couple diamonds on your way out.
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We love that you came to visit us at the Winter Palace. Thanks for coming. My favorite behind the walls and degrees of separation story.
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Stay sexy and swipe some jewels, Jeremy. Hell yes, Jeremy. I will swipe jewels at any given opportunity.
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Wipe that candy dish of diamonds. What's better than a terrible war story, but then somebody getting a hold of like a raw diamond
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and sewing it into their clothes. That's just so, like... Yeah. It's so, like, fairy tale.
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It is. Except the dying part. Like, what in your house are you going to be able to smuggle
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that's going to get you anywhere? And, like, get anything. And get you anything when everything falls apart.
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Oh, well, my rare diamonds collection. Let's start buying raw diamonds, is what I'm saying.
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How about the silver coins my dad gave me in Vince for our wedding? because he says that when the end days come that's right they're in paper money is going to
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be worthless it's going to be all about them nickels that marty got you thank you what if
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he just got as a roll of nickels but they're all from 1967 it's good luck um yeah it's my family
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it's like there's a joy of cooking cookbook i could probably get there's some good ass recipes
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in there that might be worth something. Hell yeah. Beef stroganoff. You know what you
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do? You put some fucking sour cream in that gravy. You put some stroganoff in the
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fucking beef. Get some tang on that beef. And then you put some egg noodles in it.
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They're like, you know what? You no longer have to go to the prison. Thank you. What do you
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have to trade for your life? I have pockets full of hot stroganoff. Thank God. Where are we going?
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I'm not sure. Well, here's the subject line of my next email. Ash is in the trunk. Okay.
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Hey, everyone. My name is Mary Lou and I a semi emailer very heavy listener Thank you for declaring yourself Mary Lou so clearly and accurately Yesterday I went to go see The Dead and Co
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And then in parentheses, The Grateful Dead minus Jerry Garcia plus John Mayer. Oh, right.
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John Mayer's mayor. The one that invented the lemons at the gorge in Washington.
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So before I went in, I ate three grams of mushrooms and started tripping almost instantly.
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They love drug stories. Yep. Send us your drug stories. Also, don't do drugs. Send us your drug stories.
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Don't do drugs. But then again, if you go ahead and eat some mushrooms in the out of doors, because you're
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going to enjoy some trip out music where every other person there is on drugs. Including the entire band.
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And the roadies. And the roadies. And the concession people. Exactly. Every single person is just going to be the chillest of the chill.
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Okay. Okay. I'm also on mushrooms so I lost my place and I immediately started tripping thank you while I was watching the show
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and going through an intense roller coaster of emotions as one does who is tripping on mushrooms
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I realized my mom's ashes have been in the trunk of my car for an entire year oh my god you put your mom in your trunk and you left her there
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for a year. They have an explanation, I should say. Oh, no, it's Mary Lou, so we know it.
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Mary Lou has an explanation. Last year on Mother's Day, my mom died in her sleep of mysterious
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causes at the age of 50. Oh, that's awful. I'm sorry, Mary Lou. I was 19 and had to plan, pay for, and organize
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my mom's entire funeral and such. Oh, honey. It was a lot for a 19-year-old to deal with,
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but I got it done, and it all worked out. Fuck yes, Mary Lou. Mary Lou. Well done.
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Your mom would be proud of you. That sucks so much. I know. At 19. 19. And that's the thing about when people die is the people closest to the person who are
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the most affected also have to start making a shit ton of decisions. This is why you want to do it before you die.
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Make all your plans and shit, right? Yeah, you want to, but no one does. No one does.
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No one does. Okay. All right. We're with you, Mary Lou. After spending most of the summer in Wisconsin where I'm from, I realized I needed a change,
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So I uprooted my life, put my dog and all my belongings in my car and moved to Portland.
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It was actually a great idea. I had planned on bringing my mom's ashes with me. And as I made this long trip, I would stop in beautiful places and scatter her throughout the country where she would be whisked away over pretty landscapes.
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Only problem. I left home without the fucking ashes. By the time I realized this, I was already in northern Colorado.
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Oh, my God. So I made my dad FedEx them to the Airstream I was staying on on a farm in Fort Collins.
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That sounds amazing. So good right now. Yeah. Okay. When they showed up, they were in an Amazon box that my dad had just re-duct taped and
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scribbled my dress on in purple Sharpie. I threw the box in the trunk and kept on driving.
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But for whatever reason, it never felt like the right time or place to scatter her.
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That makes sense. I moved to Portland and became a preschool teacher and have been living here ever since.
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I kept forgetting that Sue was indeed in the trunk of my car and that eventually I was going to have to do something with her until I ate a bunch of mushrooms at the gourd.
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Oh, oh, this story is when you're on mushrooms, don't think about your dead mom's ashes.
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Like that's the worst thing to think about. But it's also like she's saying, because these crazy drugs, psilocybin and mushrooms are an emotional roller coaster.
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You go emotionally crazy. So it's perfect. Just like this email is an emotional roller coaster.
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Okay. I realized a year is way too long to have my mom in the trunk of the car and that it's not ha ha funny anymore.
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It's just fucking weird. So today I went to my car and pulled out the box where I opened it in my apartment only to realize some of the ashes had spilled out from the plastic urn into the cardboard box.
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I go to dump it out of my window to try to dust off the box. But the wind blew it into my apartment at that blew into my apartment at that exact moment.
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And pieces of my fucking mom's ashes blew into my house and into my face. Lesson learned.
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If you keep your mom's ashes in the trunk for a year, she will retaliate when you finally move her.
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my mom is the reason i'm a murderino so sorry and she would have loved your podcast so on both of our behalves ssdgm mary lou
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oh i'm crying too it's so good it fuck it's like you can't do death correctly it always is fucked up
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it's of course you're avoiding spreading your mother's ashes it's like to have your mom die
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sucks so bad she's traumatized by this terrible event and then she tries to like make it right
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it's just so typical that's amazing it's just so good that's a great story thank you for that
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very personal and very awful story mary lou good job mary lou uh i'm sorry it got me no i love it
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It got me good. You got me good. Okay. I got me good. This one's called, let's see.
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I have one more. Okay. It's short. Okay. This is called 23andMe gone wrong slash I might be an alien.
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Shit. And then the opening is just, hi. Perfect. Back in January I sent my adorable little bottle of spit to 23andMe after a bunch of us got the kit for Christmas A few months later everyone else had their results except me Finally I received an email saying that the genome analysis had been unsuccessful because they hadn been able to collect enough DNA from my saliva They sent me a new kit and told me to
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try again. Naturally, I assumed some lab tech had just dropped my sample on the floor, so I did it
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again and didn't think much of it. Another few months passed, and then finally I received another
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email saying that I was incompatible with the analysis. They were unable to extract DNA and
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that they would not try to perform the analysis again. In fact, they asked me to check a box
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online saying I would not try to submit my sample ever again. What? I looked all over the Reddit
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world and only found one other person this happened to. I'm completely healthy and can
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think of no reason why my DNA didn't work. So I guess I can spit all over a crime scene
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and they'd never know it was me who knows but they sent me a refund and i bought an air
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conditioner with it so i guess it was worth it yours may be an alien robin what the fuck
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because they would have told her if she because i know a girl who uh is a non-secreter right so
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she didn't she should try to maybe prick her i think the girl ended up like pricking her thumb
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and putting like a drop of blood in the saliva thing and it worked but they would have told her
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if she couldn't get enough DNA. Well, also, that's just so fascinating. I mean, if it wasn't a technical issue,
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but it's just like, yeah, nothing is showing up. There's nothing working, and promise you'll never do this again.
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Yes, exactly. That's so weird. We don't want your fucking Area 51 shit coming into our...
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Well, actually, there's this. Karen, do one more. Okay. Mine work quick this week.
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Okay. Because I'm sweating so much. Creepy man with children's pictures on his wall.
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Perfect. Hello, Karen, Georgia. Stephen. Elvis, Mimi, Dottie. Frank and George. Love it.
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Well done. Penny. Penny? Penny Lane. Stephen's cat. Oh, that's right. Let's just start fucking folding in every animal we know.
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You forgot one. There's also every animal you've ever met. Okay, go. I just finished binge listening to all the episodes you guys have.
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I'm not the best writer, so bear with me on spelling and all grammatical errors.
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No. This story is kind of short, but as I think about what happened and how old I was, I thought
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I should share it. My twin sister, who got me hooked on this podcast, and I were around eight years old,
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and we were living with my mom at the time in our small town near St. Louis, Missouri.
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We walked to and from school every day. On our way home from school, almost always we would stop at this 60 to 70 year old man's house.
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His name was Terry. I remember him looking like an average grandpa with kind of crooked teeth.
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We would talk to him for up to an hour before actually going home. I believe that it was because of friends or neighbor kids that we knew that we could stop by his house.
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Anyways, this creeper would give everyone candy and sodas. Of course he would. At the beginning of every school year, this man would ask for current school photos.
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If we didn't have any, he would have a sit down on one of the steps of his front porch so he could take his own photo.
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No, no, no, no. Once he got them developed, he would put them up along the wall of at least 100 other kids photos in his garage.
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Why did we ever think this was okay? We were so dumb. Well, you were children. As I'm remembering everything, there were days when his garage door was closed or his wife's car was in the driveway
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and we weren't allowed to stop by. Also, our visits would be cut short on days his wife came home earlier than he expected.
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There were days when we wouldn't stop by because it was raining or we just wanted to get home.
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On those days, he would walk himself to our house. My very own mother would let him in the house and sit on our couch She just let us sit there and talk to this crazy man for hours I always thought he was kind of weird but I eight years old and my brain just told me to shut up
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I remember my sister and I going to this man's house until the summer that we ended up moving to my dad's house.
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I want to thank you girls for that's it. I want to thank you girls for welcoming my inner crime loving self into this awesome community.
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You two make my midnight shift way more enjoyable and eases my wandering mind when I'm walking around an almost empty hospital all night cleaning.
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Just as empty rooms. Please keep doing what you do because you do it so well. Stay sexy and don't stop by creepy old men's houses on your way from school.
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Lacey and Melanie N. Oh my God. So it's just basically a story of a man who loves to visit children.
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And the photo part is the creepiest. The photo part is not good. No. And also that the wife, it's not like the wife is like, oh, who's here?
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Hi, girls, or whatever. That it's some weird, like... It's like the wife knows something's going, something's weird happening, so don't tell
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her that you come over here. Well, I mean, does the wife not go into the garage?
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Maybe not. The fuck the deal Maybe the wife hates children Oh and this is his only like he like I really love children He really wanted children She refused to give him children Give him children She refused to have
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children. Give him children. Give him a child. Give poor Randolph a child. I feel like you could definitely go that
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old man's crazy. It could be a tragic story. It could be there's so many things in between,
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but the pictures on the wall and it being a hundred other children. Why? What? Yeah.
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Episode Highlights

  • Dr. Death, the Cowboy
    A charming neurosurgeon becomes a symbol of greed and betrayal, leaving a trail of broken bodies.
    “This is a story of greed, betrayal, and a fight for justice.”
    @ 01m 08s
    July 23, 2018
  • Mary Lou's Emotional Journey
    Mary Lou reflects on her mother's ashes and the emotional roller coaster of loss.
    “It's just fucking weird.”
    @ 15m 54s
    July 23, 2018
  • 23andMe Gone Wrong
    A woman discovers her DNA sample is incompatible, leading to wild speculation about her origins.
    “Yours may be an alien.”
    @ 19m 01s
    July 23, 2018
  • Creepy Old Man Story
    A listener shares a chilling childhood memory about a man who collected children's photos.
    “Why did we ever think this was okay?”
    @ 24m 40s
    July 23, 2018

Episode Quotes

  • It's like a rich cult.
    MFM Minisode 80
  • It's just so typical.
    MFM Minisode 80
  • Stay sexy and don't stop by creepy old men's houses on your way from school.
    MFM Minisode 80

Key Moments

  • Greed and Betrayal01:08
  • Emotional Roller Coaster15:54
  • Alien DNA19:01
  • Childhood Memories23:41
  • Creepy Visits24:13
  • Final Thoughts27:14

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