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Hello. And welcome. to my favorite murder the true crime podcast you were waiting for uh while it uploaded
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while you're it uploaded and you were waiting for it to upload can you believe technology
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so crazy how long it takes but also how fast it is i mean within a minute georgia what's your
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would you say is your favorite part of technology oh uh my first thought was alarm clocks that can't
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You're right. That's not right. I'm not going to go with that. I think you should.
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I think it's, first of all, that makes it sound like you love getting up. I love alarms.
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I love alarms. I love to be alarmed. I love to be scared. I love to be woken up when I don't want to be.
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Like deep REM sleep. Boom. I'm sitting up. I'm upset. That's my favorite thing. Yeah.
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That's it. What's yours? My favorite part of technology. That has to be Twitter, right?
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I was gonna say email can we check your phone and it'll tell us how long you've spent on Twitter
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is it like gigabytes it'll also tell you time the amount of time she actually put her hand out like I was gonna give her my phone
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she would not pass it to me there's no way you can access my phone with all of my dick pics
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that I'm sending everywhere general general Stephen you're old, young Stephen, how do you do the...
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Battery. Oh, yeah. If you go to battery. Settings, battery. Oh, okay. And you can look at last 24 hours or last seven days, what you've been using the most.
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Okay. So you go to settings and battery, and then let's do last seven days. What's the number one thing you've spent?
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Twitter, 56%. Wow. And then I come in with your favorite, my home and lock screen, which is 25%.
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That's good. Oh, my God. Text is only 6%. You need to start texting more. that makes me actually that just made me cry a little bit you're on twitter more than you're on
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than you're texting your good good friends then actual interaction with people that care about me
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instead i'm on twitter going like now i don't want to do a pun but but i do have this idea
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this is really funny oh yeah sorry what's yours mine's 23 the first one's don't fucking reach
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around out to me like i'm gonna say how do my checking out my alarm clock what if i just handed
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you an alarm clock most precious alarm clock this is what i called it my phone yeah what if i called
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my phone my alarm clock and i just that's all i use it for this is you've been the facade has gone
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on for three years and now i realize you're fucking crazy i'm insane or really stupid like
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way more stupid than you initially thought you know it never seemed like she was stupid on the
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road yeah but i never saw her around the alarm clock i never you never went in my hotel room with
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me i've never been in europe well that's not true in australia we had a nice we snuggled up we did
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that's fun i've trashed hotel rooms because i didn't like their alarm clocks before
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what if that were true and also i'm picturing i don't know what kind of alarm clock you're
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picturing the first one i pictured was like a grandma yeah the kind you wind up oh i'm thinking
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of the the ones like from the 70s that had like the flaps the numbers were like oh yeah those are
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the best one yeah right the flip over yeah because then the one I had I was given an alarm clock when
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I was like eight and it was my most precious possession I won one when I was like eight in
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bingo and it was like the first thing I'd ever won red digital letters I mean yes yes let no it
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had letters Karen because it was just like wake up bitch Georgia it's a 803 yeah I was like really
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excited about it did you put stickers on it no I put stickers on mine what kind of stickers
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Satan yeah don't forget to worship Satan and then I'd set the alarm for 20 minutes of Satan
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worshiping you got to get that it like meditation app but it 20 minutes of Satan worshiping I so old I so old that like we used to listen to FM radio like leave the radio clock radio and you could put a timer on no and listen to the radio and it would turn itself off
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in like 20 minutes. That's so advanced. Well, I mean, that's what Santa brings. Oh, because I'm
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Jewish and can only win good shit and bingo. That's right. But I fucking did. I mean, that's
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the only time I've ever won bingo before. And I still remember walking up to the stage and just
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being like, oh my God, and pick any prize. And I was just like, this is the most amazing moment of my life.
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Yes. I remember it exactly. Of course. A pick, okay, for all adults that are planning things for children,
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if you can set up a pick any prize, if you win, raffle or bingo, like you're saying, whatever.
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That's why we love Black Elephant. What's the one where you can be like, whatever color elephant you want, I'm trying to be inclusive.
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uh i'm thinking i'm the black sheep that's what i was thinking right uh that's fun yeah too no but
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i remember my sister there was like a fireman's daughter's luncheon that we went to when i was
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probably eight or ten that sounds amazing and they had a pick any prize raffle and the shit was like
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10 speed bikes and crazy i mean like but then some poor kids ended up like has to get the last
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like a cork board the last prize like they get a cork board or even sadder yeah the ones that get
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nothing no you stop like Karen Kilgara shut your face when my sister got an electric motherfucking
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brother typewriter that was blue she got an electric typewriter she walked up picked her
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prize shopped like she was like a $200 thing yes there was really good prizes and you got nothing
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no I'm sorry firefighters you've done great up until this point we loved 9-11 but you thank you
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For everything. Yeah. It's your biggest. Everyone knows your biggest hits. Thank you.
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Right now they're fighting insane wildfires in California. All over California and Arizona.
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But learn how to play a bingo game. We're going to get so much hate mail for this.
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I mean, no, no, because my father being a fireman, our favorite thing to do in the past,
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I'd say 15 years is anytime my dad is in any way an asshole, we go America's hero, ladies
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and gentlemen, in restaurants. If he's mad that like parking isn't good or something.
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oh look at the American hero that's so mean and I love it that's how we are what do you have today
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for our audience let's just play bingo right now I like how when we started this
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we used to be worried about how much people didn't like it that we started the podcast this way
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and now it's as if we're going off into a tangent and just pushing away anyone who might try to approach this
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purposefully get out get out of here great movie okay not a great tactic for podcasting no for for trying to be
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popular but that's just it like we're not trying to be popular you can't try to be popular like
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you just are you aren't it's as simple as it's the natural born thing be drunk though while you're
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doing that what be drunk though while you're doing that voice you can say you know how to be popular
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that's what you're like but shh come here come here come here it's my secret you can't try to
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be popular fuck yes drunk karen drunk karen love to whisper okay uh this is perhaps one of the more exciting pieces of email that we have gotten in my
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experience on this show oh my god well i like to overstate things you know that i like to over um
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react so let's do it so perfect so let's make podcasts so this is why we work together
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this reads as such on july 12th while driving home from a long day at work and listening to
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episode 129 karen mentioned her good thing for the episode lo and behold your favorite thing
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was the show i work on i screamed and pull over and texted all my feller fellow fellow
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Endeavor Crew Murderinos. Remember I said I love that show Endeavor? Yeah. And went on and on about how much I love it.
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Yeah. This is an email from people who work on the television show Endeavor. And she had a freak out, like I'm having a freak out right now,
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hearing that I said that. And she said, so I texted all my fellow Endeavor Crew Murderinos,
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of which there are so many. Holy shit. I've been a longtime listener of the podcast,
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and I've been recommending it to everyone I meet. Thank you. but on the other but on no other job have I found
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so many murderinas. Of course the ones in my department were known to me that the assistant producer dropped
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dropping a stay out of the forest on a particularly wooded location day changed everything. Holy shit.
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Now I'm just in my mind. First of all I would just like to say this season of Endeavor I've watched them all twice already
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so now I'm just trying to think back of like which one took place. Where would you say
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that? Holy shit dude. I'm so excited. it's like you're basically the star of the show
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I think I've been cast you're the most popular person on the show attaches a photo of just a few of us
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outside the wonderful handsome and fabulous Sean Evans trailer who plays Endeavor
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Morse the detective the long standing famous British detective Morse and the second photo is a local Endeavorino's
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stocky photo of me and Molly with Sean whilst filming on location in Oxford your podcast has given us endless conversation starters on what are some of the longest days at
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work yeah that can it can be long mostly at night in forests down dark alleyways filming murders and
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crime scenes our t-shirts and pin badges are the talk of the set and we speak about it so often
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that most of the cast including sean himself i want to start crying um are involved now too and
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You can hear byes ringing through the drugs that wrap. That so cute Which is we have taken a saying from Alaska on RuPaul Drag Race and transitioned it all the way over across the pond to Endeavor
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In order to seek out other more shy murderinos, we occasionally ask if anyone would like a cookie and wait for a meow.
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We are so ridiculously excited to hear that you are Endeavorinos. I can't. And if you guys find yourself in London again anytime soon,
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we'd love to have you come visit us and take part, um, uh, take part in our own 1960s murder world that we call work.
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Toodle pip and ta-ta for now. Yolanda, Molly, Lauren, Caroline, Amy, and all the endeavor murderinos.
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Stay sexy and endeavor to not get murdered. Bye. Wow. That is so exciting. That's incredible.
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Sorry. That's just a straight up nerd out, um, fan email. That's incredible. For me.
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For me. Also, because I'm these world like there's so many. It's so hard for me to find a show that serves all the things I need. Yeah. Which is oftentimes in being in the past procedural British, you know, a lead man that is like more interested in doing the crossword.
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Fatherly ish. Yes. I mean, I'm threatening. I'm very easily threatened. I scare easy when I watch TV.
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Karen just starts pepper spraying the TV sometimes when it's too aggressive. It's just so exciting.
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That's great. I love it. I love it. Congratulations. Thank you. I wanted to say that I have a letter too.
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Oh, yeah? It's called. Oh, yeah? Listen to it. It's called Stephen's mustache lost a roller derby bout to Elvis.
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Oh, shit. I owe somebody $50. Damn it. Stephen and all. Last week, thousands of skaters traveled to Las Vegas for RollerCon, the annual roller derby convention.
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And I have to say, like, I fucking love roller derby. My good friend of mine, Megan, her name was Judy Gloom.
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She was like an incredible skater. And I used to go watch her all the time. It's like the most if you have a chance to go watch roller derby, go.
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It's the most roller con is the coolest thing. I never even knew that existed. And they're like such badass women, the roller derby gals.
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Yeah. So touted as the bastard daughter of dozens of leagues, RollerCon brings together skaters from all across the world for challenges, workshops, blah, blah, blah.
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So this year, someone named Nat organized a challenge against a team called Stephen's Mustache.
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And a team called Elvis Wants a Cookie. Long story short, Stephen's Mustache got their beautiful derby butts handed to them.
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But it was one of the funnest games. Final score, 128-61. So much love from MFM, Derby Reno Sisters, Franny Panties, number 210, Rage City Roller Girls, Anchorage, Alaska.
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That's awesome. Nice, from Alaska. Yeah. That's so cool. Go see Roller Derby and support the gals.
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That is, yeah, I saw that on Twitter. I didn't realize it was RollerCon. Yeah. Because I skim, you know me, and the skimming with the reading.
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But they just said these two roller teams or derby teams are about to go up against each other.
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And they named the two. Oh, you were serious? You were like $50 on? I just wrote back $50 on Stephen's mustache.
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and I only picked that team because it sounded funnier than 50 bucks on Elvis. Do you want a cookie or whatever?
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Essentially you owe me 50 bucks. It's turning into me now. You? Yep. Because it's your cat.
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That's my cat. All right. I'm sorry. I let you down, Karen. Steven, put your skates on right now.
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Steven's mustache. Be quiet. Someone tweeted us. Sorry about it. Someone tweeted us the other day.
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Why don't you let Steven laugh? What does that even mean? I'm not sure if somebody is interpreting things that we've said on here as like that it's somehow our rule that we have a team meeting before the show starts that Stephen's not allowed to laugh.
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It's like a 1980s like made for TV movie. Like, why won't you let Stephen laugh?
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We won't let something, you know. Open on an alarm clock with the flippy numbers.
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Click 8 a.m. But it's letters. Isn't that weird? It's so weird. It's so weird. It's very weird.
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so cute so cute it's got those like those like mugs that look like tin campy mugs yes so cute
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hats all kinds of clothing a fucking duffel bag that like i kind of need to get yeah there's some
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Yeah. I don't have anything else. Do you? I don't. Stephen, was that a fact? I saw Stephen move quickly out of the corner of my eye.
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No, he flips his page around a lot. Oh, I see. Stephen, don't laugh and don't move too quickly.
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Don't move. Yeah, move slowly. Or we're going to have a... Actually, can you sit in the closet?
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That would be great. The thing that I like about that comment, too, is Stephen is the consummate podcast producing
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professional. Like, he does this for lots of people. If you hear him laugh, he'd be doing a bad job.
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Everyone would fire his ass. Can you imagine if you're trying to record your podcast and, like, have a conversation
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and someone's like, oh, oh, oh. Well, someone besides me and you. We don't count.
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I can laugh like I can guffaw all I want. We get to. Well, and also the goal is that you make Stephen break and actually make a noise.
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Right. He laughs, but he doesn't. Yeah, he knows. He knows. He's good. Trust Stephen, I say, to whoever made that comment.
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He's been here for 400 episodes. Yeah, he knows what he's doing And we don't even have 400 episodes
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That's how long he's been here He's most popular in all the land Who goes first this week?
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Karen goes first Is it me? Because last week was the lie It was Stuart Burgwell Oh, okay
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Your husband is not who you think he is Your body is not what you thought it was Your identity is formed by a secret history I Dani Shapiro and these are just a few of the stunning stories I be exploring
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This, I am so excited to do this one. And I was glad to have the extra time because I needed to, you know, I need to actually work on it.
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Right. It helps sometimes. Yeah. And I love it because it is from near my hometown.
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Oh, my God. And it is a creepy cult, which is one of my favorite things. It is. And I had, so I'll tell you the inciting incident, as they call it in writing.
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So I have this memory. If you don't know anything about my hometown of Petaluma, which you probably don't.
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No, everyone knows. If you don't know about. Everyone. We all know. So basically, every picture you see of the Golden Gate Bridge is the stance is or the view of it is you standing on Alcatraz in the bay looking basically what would be westward toward the Golden Gate Bridge.
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So above that to the right is northern above Northern California. 30 miles north of the Golden Gate Bridge is my hometown Petaluma.
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And that's the first city in Sonoma County. And up there, that's all dairy ranches.
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That's where he used to be the chicken. Pedaling used to be the chicken capital of the world or the egg capital of the world in the 30s.
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Where's the chicken capital of the world? Do you guys fight them? We couldn't hit the number of chickens, but we fucking churned out those eggs.
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Girl, get those eggs. Yeah, I don't know how they decide which of those products you're going to choose.
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Yeah. But because it was called the egg basket of the world. Anyway, and then but right outside of my town.
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So that's the town itself. I grew up five miles outside of that town where there was basically cattle ranches.
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And then further out, 10 miles to 15 miles out of town, it's completely undeveloped dairy ranches.
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So they're big, huge ranches with thousands of acres because the cows need to graze and they need to eat grass all day long.
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And they make real good milk, not homogenized. Because they're happy cows. Make happy milk.
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That's right. That's right. So, and you've seen this part of the country. They shoot car commercials out there all the time.
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It's very picturesque. It's like low. They shoot cow commercials out there all the time.
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They shoot cows out there all the time. Commercials for cows. A lot of shooting.
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Lots of shooting. So it's just incredibly picturesque. And it's also, if you go a little bit south of that area, it's Marin County.
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It's West Marin. Okay. But still this exact same thing and the exact same kind of farmland.
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And it's awesome. So when I was eight years old, I was driving. My parents used to, when people would come and visit us,
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the big thing that they would do is drive people to essentially Bodega Bay, which is um the ocean and we would drive out these windy roads with these beautiful rolling hills
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and we would end up at the bay oysters uh yeah all kinds of lobsters there there was a place i think
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it's i want to say it's it's something landing it was a place that we would always go and end up
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they had a restaurant and they had a fresh fish market where literally those are my favorite
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fucking places, not just the restaurant, but like they're always in cool like vacation-y spots.
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Right. Where they're like, a guy just pulled up on his boat and brought these four lobsters, now they're on ice.
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Yeah. And then here's some fish with their eyes in still on ice, like all that shit.
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And when you're eight, my sister and I used to get car sick really easily. So we were always in the backseat of these cars that were like winding, winding, winding.
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And then you get to the Daga Bay and it would be like probably low tide or at noon.
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And so we'd have to get out of the car and then go into the fresh fish market and then go into the restaurant and have our choice of what clam chowder or some soul or fish sticks.
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And so that's why I cannot eat fish. That's right. So you would, you associate the smell of fish and fish and eating fish with being nauseous.
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Yeah. With being carsick. And the smell. Oh my God. So you won't eat fish. Can't eat fish.
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That's so funny. And they made it that way. They made both of us that way. Parents will just ruin you in special little ways.
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They really do. And those are the kind of things you can't really anticipate. So anyway, all of that is to say on one of those trips one time we were driving and I saw and everyone in the car saw there was like four people on the side of the road and they were dressed in all white in these weird, rappy things.
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It was weird. They were dressed. They were dressed very odd for the time. Like robes and flowing things.
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Well, it was like. Yeah, I can't really remember. I, that might've been, that might be an exaggeration in my head, but they all had shaved heads and it was women and men.
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And my mom, I remember hearing my mother say to my father, Jim, Jim, be careful.
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And like, go basically go around, make sure you don't go anywhere near them. And she gives them supernatural power.
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Like if you can't even drive near them. Right. And my mom who was Mrs. Oh, please.
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Not never scared of anything. Never like intimidated. and she was like keep away and i of course as we drove by i stared at all of them and they were just
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these weird people that were like staring straight ahead riding these bikes and then of course i'm
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like why why can't we go near them and my mom's like we'll tell my mom would always say we'll tell
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you later yeah she made it sound like we're gonna tell you when we get home but she meant like 25
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years um so it turned out that they were members of a cult called synanon oh my god and synanon
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was this cult that I'm about to tell you all about right now. So they're known for a bunch of stuff.
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They're synonymous with a bunch of stuff. Come on. They started as a rehab center, essentially.
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That's a good, like, oh, yeah. Yeah, that's how you get people. And also the guy that started it,
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the tenants of the beginnings of this organization, actually it's like he went off and went cult direction and then most of what modern rehab
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facilities what their the systems and the way they do things are based on is based on synodon
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wow like it started there but then they took it one went science and the other went i am you know
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a golden god or whatever um and the interesting thing is if you've ever seen the george george
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Lucas's first movie, which was called THX 1138. Yeah, which is all shot in a white negative space.
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It's Robert Duvall. He has a shaved head and they're wearing all white and they have these
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weird things around their neck. Remember that? Yeah. And it's like this creepy dystopian future
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where people aren't allowed to have relationships, have children, everyone's they take drugs to
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repress their emotions and there's it's very like orwellian horrible future and there are the extras
00:27:40
in that movie because it was the early 70s and when george lucas went to shoot that movie
00:27:44
no actors wanted to shave their heads because it was the 70s and it's like who are you steven
00:27:49
spielberg yeah exactly you're no one we don't know you you're like a local um making a movie
00:27:55
So he went and got Synanon cult members to come and be in his movies. So if you ever rent or watch that movie and there's ever like a group or kind of city, they're trying to make it seem like they're in a city area.
00:28:08
A lot of the people in the background are cult members. Wow. That's a cool. And there and Synanon, the cult is actually thanked in the thank yous of the movie.
00:28:19
So it's really it's such a crazy story. All right. So let's do it. I've painted as much of the personal picture as I can.
00:28:26
You know I love talking about myself. I would continue, but we have to get into the actual facts.
00:28:32
Tell me more about your car sickness. Well, what's weird about this is when this cult moved in,
00:28:39
the people in, the dairy ranchers and the people that I grew up around, they're very modest people.
00:28:45
They're very keep to yourself, good fences, make good neighbors. A lot of them are crazy wealthy, but you would never fucking know.
00:28:52
Because they work on their own ranch all day long. Yeah. And they save and they don't, they just drive trucks.
00:28:58
They don't want flashy shit. No, that's not their style. And so this cult moves in and buys this ranch.
00:29:05
It sounds like wild, wild country. That's what I was going to say. Oh my God. It's basically a very small version of that same thing.
00:29:11
But in white and not maroon. In white. And they didn't try to make a whole fucking city or whatever.
00:29:16
Yeah. But it's the same thing where it was just like everyone's looking around going,
00:29:20
okay, sorry, what's this now? What are we doing? Okay, so here's the beginning. This Synanon was founded by a man named Charles E. Diedrich.
00:29:30
Oh, by the way, I should say that I got a lot of information. There's really good YouTube short films and interview type things that I got a lot of this from.
00:29:41
But there's a 2014 article for Paleo Future blog on Gizmodo written by a guy named Matt Novak that has tons of great information.
00:29:50
And it's really good. So I got a lot of it from there. And also from an attorney named Paul Morantz He has a website paulmorantz And he an attorney that ended up getting involved in basically taking down this cult
00:30:06
And so he knows a lot of great information. Cool. Okay. So the founder of Synanon was a man named Charles E. Diedrich.
00:30:13
He was born in Toledo, Ohio in 1913 to upper middle class parents. Oh, also, again, Wikipedia.
00:30:22
Thank you so much for everything you do. Oh, shit. No shit. No shit. His father dies in a car crash when he's four.
00:30:30
When he's eight, his younger brother dies of the flu. Very common back then. And then his mother kind of in her grief makes him, he's really young, but she relies on him like he's the head of the household.
00:30:44
Which is a bad setup because four years later she gets remarried. And then he's out.
00:30:51
He doesn't take it well. he doesn't like the man she's marrying anyway and then he's basically out and all that he becomes a
00:30:58
serious drinker before he's even in high school what yeah so he manages to graduate from high
00:31:04
school he gets into notre dame he flunks out of notre dame 18 months later still he's part of our
00:31:10
club yeah um and then he spends the next 20 or so years getting and losing jobs getting married
00:31:18
getting divorced. He moves to Santa Monica, decides he's going to be a beach bum. He gets
00:31:22
remarried. Is it something you decide to do or you just do? I mean, the word decide was in the
00:31:28
sentence. But yeah, sometimes you just end up in Santa Monica asking for coffee money. He gets
00:31:34
remarried again. And his second wife begs him to go to AA. And he finally does. She ends up
00:31:42
leaving him anyway. But he does get to AA from her recommendation in 1956. And it works. He
00:31:52
totally gets sober. He gets really into it. He's a devotee. And he's like a natural salesman type,
00:31:59
gregarious and outgoing. So everybody loves him. And he becomes, you know, like this is his
00:32:04
community until they don't love him anymore. Because he's one of those, as my friend Bradford
00:32:10
calls them a dominant psycho. So he's the kind of person that can't sit back and let other people
00:32:15
do things and always has to be, you know, controlling just a typical addictive personality.
00:32:22
And he also starts doing the thing, which happens a lot in program where you get in,
00:32:27
your life is fucked up, you're insane, you get healthy, you get a little sobriety,
00:32:32
and then you start going, this program doesn't work. And here's why. And you know,
00:32:36
suddenly no better than everybody. Very typical. So he did started doing that. But he was actually
00:32:42
kind of right. Because the problem he had was that AA would not let drug addicts come to AA meetings.
00:32:48
They'd already established Narcotics Anonymous, but they weren't consistent. They didn't have
00:32:53
consistent meetings. It wasn't like as strong of a program as AA. So people that were drug addicts
00:33:00
trying to get sober kind of had nowhere to go. Yeah. And Charles Diederich was like, that sucks.
00:33:05
and that should, you know, those people need help too. I couldn't read anywhere where it said he in particular was a drug addict,
00:33:15
but it seemed like he had a lot of compassion for people that were like hooked on heroin.
00:33:19
Yeah. So around this time, there's a doctor named Dr. Keith Dittman, and he does an experiment.
00:33:28
He's taking volunteers for an experiment to see if LSD can cure alcoholism. alcoholism he has this theory that like if you break from reality and you can kind of like reset
00:33:38
your brain and then not be a drunk anymore that sounds fun right um some people believe in it no
00:33:45
it's totally yeah that makes sense i think ecstasy or as well or in the md run dmc what
00:33:51
Run DMC is very helped me get clean. You know, my Adidas walk on floors and walk all over Coliseum floors.
00:34:05
Steven cut that. Okay. So while he, so he signs up for this experiment and while he's tripping,
00:34:15
he has this epiphany where he decides if AA is not going to do it, I'm going to do it.
00:34:20
I'm going to start my own rehab and it's going to take people that are on addicted to drugs and it's going to be called the tender loving care club.
00:34:30
TLC. Yeah, baby. He's clearly on drugs. Whoa. That's only that's something that only someone on LSD would think of and be like, that's a great idea.
00:34:39
You know what the best name is. Everyone needs it. And it's just the truth. Let's say it.
00:34:45
Yeah. So. So that's what he actually does. he starts meeting with people that are kind of, you know, there are people that are drawn
00:34:55
to him. He has a very plain speaking way of, you know, he's a truth teller and he's like one of those
00:35:00
kind of people and he encourages other people to be that way. So he has people start meeting at his Ocean Park apartment and he makes up this thing
00:35:09
that becomes one of the hugest parts of this cult. And it's, what do they call it?
00:35:17
It's called the game. He calls it the game. But basically, it's a version of talk therapy where you sit in a circle.
00:35:28
It's usually like 10 people or so. And it starts off with really normally upsetting questions like, who's the most boring person in this group?
00:35:38
Or what thing happened today with someone in this group that made you really mad talk about it or whatever?
00:35:44
And basically someone gets picked out of the group and then everyone starts attacking that person.
00:35:52
Everyone starts telling that person what wrong with them why they suck why they a bad person what they do that irritating And they just rail the person And they can even say things that aren true
00:36:05
But it's just basically this barrage of shittiness and insults to break the ego down.
00:36:11
I think this is a bad idea. I just want to go ahead and give my medical expertise thoughts on this.
00:36:19
Well, I was thinking about how that would feel. Like I told you that story of how one time I thought my therapist tricked me into going to group therapy and I got really mad because she's she recommended like a meditation group.
00:36:32
But when I got there, they were all talking in a circle. And I had this panic where I was like, I'm firing her.
00:36:38
She tricked me because it's so frightening. The idea of having to sit there and be in therapy in front of like eight strangers or ten strangers.
00:36:46
So this idea really does. It's almost like a emotional bungee jumping. But I have to say group therapy can be great for people.
00:36:56
Group therapy isn't like that. No, no, no. So that specifically sounds, I mean, I don't know if it works, but it sounds insane.
00:37:04
Well, I think what happens is, and they talk about it in a lot of these articles and stuff,
00:37:09
is what it is is you get broken down. And then, and much in the way that like the theory of like the LSD would break you from reality or whatever,
00:37:18
you get the theory is you're going to get broken out of your little world and and have to kind of
00:37:24
face the possibility of the other you know like what other people think of you or just that the
00:37:29
world is much different than you think the worst is happening like the maybe for some people the
00:37:34
worst is like getting yelled at by a bunch of fucking strangers about how much they suck right
00:37:39
because if you are i mean that is a thing of like being when you're you know having been in a
00:37:46
program a little bit um the thing that is very true is addicts have a this it's a combination
00:37:54
of a sense of grandiosity about themselves and incredibly low self-esteem which is a terrible
00:38:00
combination yeah so it's like you hate yourself and then don't let anyone fucking see that no and
00:38:06
and at the same time you also think you're the best thing ever and you can't be told anything
00:38:12
everybody knows you know better than everybody and yeah the same things that happened to all the
00:38:16
other addicts isn't going to happen to you that's right you're different you're the exception to the
00:38:20
rule right yeah all these things so i think the game maybe was structured in the beginning to
00:38:25
set up to kind of break that but in this very public very forced and very kind of awful way
00:38:31
that most people fear i mean like you don't have to be an addict to be like yeah i don't want people
00:38:36
yelling at me. No, I don't want that at all. Ever. So here's the weird thing. People love it.
00:38:43
So the people that are in this and also he calls it the haircut when you're you're getting a haircut.
00:38:48
Oh, weird. Yeah, basically. These sessions, the way he did them, they could go on for up to 72
00:38:57
hours. What the fuck? Yes. That doesn't sound okay. No, no, no. It's well, that's where the extreme
00:39:05
part comes so when when he first starts setting up this rehab thing he's like oh you have to do
00:39:10
like three to four hour sessions three times a week but then the more you sit in it because
00:39:15
did you see that movie about what's his name L. Ron Hubbard that's exactly what I was thinking
00:39:20
yeah it's that except for it's much more aggressive yeah where that was more of like you kind of don't
00:39:27
know what's happening yeah you're like how are they doing this because I don't know what this
00:39:31
is about. Yeah. This was more like we attack you. You don't defend yourself. And that's the game.
00:39:37
Yeah. Can you can you deal with not defending yourself and being broken down? So but when they
00:39:44
start going into like 72 hour sessions is when he starts getting the sense of how sleep deprivation
00:39:50
opens you up to being controlled. Yeah. And sleep deprivation, you know, there's shit,
00:39:58
I should have printed it up. There's like the seven or 10 brainwashing steps that you can take where you can brainwash people.
00:40:04
If like you remove the protein from their diet, you don't let them sleep. You repeat the same things over and over.
00:40:10
You separate them from their family, all these things. So basically this is what he was doing.
00:40:15
But in the beginning, it was with the best intentions. But as he sat there and was able to kind of like commandeer people.
00:40:23
He's probably not sleeping either. So he's going a little bananas as well. Yeah, exactly.
00:40:27
And kind of loving these results because the results are all coming back and being to his credit.
00:40:33
And everyone's starting to hear about it. And people in the word around town is this is actually working for people.
00:40:40
People are actually getting clean. So like it starts to get popular in Hollywood, of course, because like this town is, of course, filled with addicts and people who love things like that.
00:40:51
The attention. um so uh they used to have like a night where everyone would people would show up that weren't
00:41:00
in rehab but they would just go to play the game just to be in there like leonard nimoy used to do
00:41:06
it and um yeah like yeah that's the one name that stands out but anyway but then but also
00:41:13
it was popular because a lot of jazz musicians who were really popular at the time were addicted
00:41:19
to heroin and went there to get off. And so they started having these music nights. So people were
00:41:25
just there and it became this community where people were like, this is a cool place to be.
00:41:29
And you don't have to drink and you don't have to do drugs. But all this cool stuff is happening.
00:41:34
People are being real and people are telling it like it is. So people get really into it. So it
00:41:40
starts getting all this good press. The D-Dirk is claiming that there's an 80 to 100% success rate.
00:41:48
That's not a thing you should say. Yeah, that seems a little extreme. But that's what he's saying.
00:41:54
They start to get really good press Life Magazine does a 14 spread on Synanon and And the title of the article is a miracle at the beach And they start and eventually they made a movie about it a couple years after that It becomes like the talk of the town And so once all of that kind of positive press and politicians talked about it on the Senate floor like there was finally a cure for addiction And so they start getting crazy amounts of donations
00:42:22
and huge donations to the point where they go from they had a house in Venice Beach that was
00:42:28
kind of shitty and they make so much money that they buy um you know right on the one when you
00:42:34
right um in Santa Monica when you get onto the one and you start driving up PCH and there's that
00:42:40
big like hotel on the beach that's kind of old-fashioned looking I think so yeah um so that
00:42:46
place hold on let me turn the page it was called club casa del mar and they moved synonon into that
00:42:56
place oh my god they were at one point making 10 million dollars a year holy shit with this
00:43:02
rehab facility it's like us in this podcast so eartha kit hangs out with us yeah um all the great jazz greats we make steven play all the
00:43:14
instruments um now the problem is there are no licensed therapists um it's all based on
00:43:22
diedrick's theories and the game and there's no no governmental or like health department overseer
00:43:30
of any kind and of course that plus 10 million dollars people go nuts so more money more crazy
00:43:38
people. Yeah, that's what they say. It's that's the how that'll run the MC song. So the first 10
00:43:46
years of Synanon can be called a success because they really he really did set up this program for
00:43:53
people to go to. But then the next 10 years start. And of course, everything goes apeshit. So in 1968,
00:43:59
two things happened that changed everything. They had started a what they call a club for the non
00:44:06
addicts that wanted to come and play the game. And there was at one point, 3,400 members of this
00:44:14
club of the non of non addicts, but they would go down to that crazy place on the beach. And they
00:44:20
would go do these sessions and get real with everybody and yell and be told things about
00:44:25
themselves. And so Charles decides to open up the community. Because you were when you were there,
00:44:33
you had to when you signed up you got there you immediately quit whatever drug or drink cold
00:44:39
turkey so you just had to get through the your um withdrawals withdrawals and everything by yourself
00:44:45
or like you know just wrapped up in a towel or whatever and then you had to stay um at the
00:44:51
facility uh for two years and that's and that's how you that's how you rehabbed um so there was
00:45:00
So that's when they started the house in Venice, he really was giving people who are like, you know, heroin addicts that were literally on the street, a place to live, jobs, things to do.
00:45:10
They moved to the Venice. Sorry, they moved to the San Monica Beach, the crazy hotel.
00:45:18
Like if you saw this place, it's so crazy that there was a rehab center there. An unqualified rehab center.
00:45:25
And so everyone starts working at the rehab center. So they decide that the people who have joined the club are now allowed to, with hundreds of dollars a month donation, they're allowed to live in the facility and experience the lifestyle.
00:45:44
We just don't do drugs. Yeah, but it's the, you know, you learn to play an instrument or you like whatever, chop vegetables or whatever you do.
00:45:54
you do whatever and participate in the cult well in the organization um without having to be an
00:46:01
addict and so that was that brought in a whole other revenue stream and so weird but then also
00:46:07
charles made a new rule which was instead of the two years because what was really happening in
00:46:13
reality um uh which went against his 80 to 100 success rate uh the fact was that when people
00:46:22
would leave after two years, they would immediately go back to doing drugs. And so he decides he tells
00:46:28
everybody, instead of two years, you now have to live for the rest of your life here. And that's
00:46:35
how you're not you get clean. And then you take all of that health and well being and you put it
00:46:42
back into the organization and you stay. That's bananas. It's crazy. But that's what people started
00:46:48
doing so it becomes this like it's like a commune it's like he's trying to build a utopian society
00:46:55
there's he you know that's his whole line of thinking and the pitch is like we're gonna we're
00:47:02
remaking how you live yeah and that's why those lifestylers would come to live because they're
00:47:06
like i'm not on drugs but i love this idea that's when it sounds like a cult to me that's as soon as
00:47:11
this that happened that sounds like a cult that you'd live here forever now yeah then it's like
00:47:16
okay uh this is a fucking cult yeah i mean i feel like that's the number one rule is um giving your
00:47:22
entire life over to someone else's made up belief system that they they were not qualified to make
00:47:29
up in the first place and and then they have no autonomy anymore right yeah that the idea is no
00:47:35
autonomy they like that yeah and that's crazy yeah and but but all these people do it and smart
00:47:41
people and talented people and people who have lawyers and doctors and shit like that.
00:47:47
So they really are starting to build this community and it's making a ton of money and
00:47:52
it's branching out everywhere. There's people everywhere, even if they're not addicts, that are kind of devotees to
00:47:58
this Synanon organization. organization. So he starts calling it, when he says now you're going to stay here for life,
00:48:06
he starts calling it, it's not a rehab facility anymore. It's a human progressive program.
00:48:14
Beam me up, Scotty. Do you want to progress? Then you better stay in this hotel on the beach.
00:48:20
Sounds like a human progressive program. That just sounds like a way to mask like if you were
00:48:25
to be like, you're not eating human flesh. You're eating the protein of a, you know.
00:48:30
Of your fellow man. Right. So it's like rewording something really awful. Well, and also I think it speaks to how much the game,
00:48:39
instead of being this like, I had a breakthrough. It was actually breaking people down.
00:48:44
Yeah. Because it is detrimental to your ego and to your self-esteem and everything to have people just being like,
00:48:51
you know what I hate about you? Or it's like. then also like the people who are yelling all these things at you like they're getting this
00:48:56
fucking complex too probably where they're getting total boners by screaming at people and telling
00:49:00
them how fucked up they are of course and everyone and you know if you're whatever it is that's going
00:49:07
on there if you're not sleeping whatever kind of if you're on a restrictive diet yeah if you don't
00:49:12
have enough like protein in your system or too much and you're an addict who fucking already drugs
00:49:19
and shit yes so you you already have tendencies like for me if i'm not drinking or if i'm not
00:49:25
doing drugs then i'm just doing something else to the extreme i'll shop all day long like weird
00:49:30
shit and that's the personality because it's about like it's about consuming consuming and quantity
00:49:36
yeah and all this it's so crazy and you don't trust your own brain yeah so so essentially he
00:49:42
breaks people down brainwashes them to believe that they need to live there and then they're
00:49:47
like you're right i do want to be in rehab for the rest of my life okay i can't because i can't
00:49:51
i tried it and i can't function in society so yeah i'm gonna stay here it's so much easier to be here
00:49:56
be sober and just do whatever this guy says man i was in rehab for 14 days and i was like get me
00:50:02
the fuck out of here you noped out i noped out i was 14 and i knew better yeah okay um so
00:50:10
So they take, they're taking the whole time they're taking this money and buying big amounts of property with this money.
00:50:19
So they buy in Oakland, they bought things called the Athens Athletic Club, which was this big, gorgeous old building cost $10 million.
00:50:28
Oh, my God. Yeah. And they're and they're basically, you know, putting these rehab centers in places where they're really needed.
00:50:34
Yeah. You know, there might be a bunch of drug addicts or whatever. and then it's just basically they're like absorbing up all of the people of society that like a a
00:50:43
doesn't isn't going to deal with them right the cops don't want to deal with them or whatever so
00:50:47
they just are like yeah now you'll live in this big house yeah we've solved your leave we've
00:50:52
solved your problem you're not going to do drugs and you have a place to live and work for the rest
00:50:55
of your life yeah now do every single thing we say right so um so they're doing that all around
00:51:01
And basically, when the authorities start hearing about the lifelong rehab facility thing, they smell a rat.
00:51:11
But before they can investigate, and they had so many lawyers and they had so much money.
00:51:16
It reminds me so much of the bad blood thing I went on and on about last week or last time.
00:51:22
It's that thing where when you have so much money that you don't have to do what the normal law says.
00:51:27
Yeah. And that people can't fight you and you know it, so you just break people.
00:51:31
Yeah. Like that's it's that's what happened here. So before anyone can do anything about you're not allowed to have a lifelong rehab center, they move out of Southern California and they move up to Marshall, which is basically the town, which is tiny, tiny. That's in that area that I was talking about outside of Petaluma.
00:51:53
That's on fucking car sickness road. It's basically halfway between my hometown and Bodega Bay center of car sickness.
00:52:00
Right. So they first first land in Tomales, which was our rival high school. OK, we used to play Tomales and hate them.
00:52:11
And it's hilarious. But there was nothing else around. It's like both schools had 300 kids.
00:52:17
Yeah. But then that was that they bought like an old radio station in Tomales. But then they ended up buying Walker Creek Ranch, which was a seventeen hundred acre ranch.
00:52:28
that was, I mean, like, right, it's so funny, it's just right where I grew up. And they begin
00:52:36
this utopian society, like on this ranch. So they build these hexagonal yurt type of things,
00:52:44
these buildings that are in hexagon shape, so they don't need heating. You know, they don't need like
00:52:50
they're, they're doing all these things kind of to be the cheapest, it's like the cheapest way they
00:52:54
can live because they they have to house like thousands of people um they all start wearing
00:52:59
overalls oh you lost me yeah um in my child's memory they were not wearing overalls on those
00:53:06
bikes they were wearing like almost like hari krishna white maybe they were higher ups or
00:53:11
something oh yeah maybe they had bike privileges yeah they were in charge that you don't have to
00:53:17
bike you don't you no one can bike in overalls everyone knows that no it's flowing cloth that
00:53:23
white claw near spokes um at some point to show solidarity solidarity with the men all the women
00:53:34
shave their heads and i swear i mean i know it's a cool look especially if you like have a nose ring
00:53:42
or you know you're a punk or whatever but seeing just like a bunch of 37 year old women wearing like
00:53:50
glasses that of the day those weird round secretary glasses but with shaved heads is so unnerving yeah it really crazy there something about a group of people with perfectly shaved heads like more than one essentially like with the same length hair that you like
00:54:07
they're up to some that's a gang. They're up to something no good. It's a gang or a concentration
00:54:11
camp. Like nothing good. Nothing good is that visual. Totally. It's upsetting. Yeah. So
00:54:17
So they also, they declare, Charles declares Synanon is now a church. And so he gets tax-free status.
00:54:27
Shit. Because they can't be, they're not a non-profit anymore. Right. Which is what they were when they were centered in Santa Monica.
00:54:34
Right. So he has to make that change. So now they're a church, they're tax-free, and all the money that they're starting to make is just go straight into his pocket.
00:54:42
and they had started getting people um to basically this is something the moonies did too
00:54:51
they basically got the the members who were in like full like cult mode to go out and get
00:54:58
donations from businesses and from like individuals and uh that the donations made up a huge
00:55:06
a huge amount of the income of the of the organization because there would just be these
00:55:13
like shaved heads like like zealots that were like getting or religion people were a religion
00:55:19
and were curing people of addiction okay um so they were really selling that that point at this
00:55:25
point charles has married his third wife betty and he sets up something called the wire where
00:55:32
it's essentially a PA system that goes to every building they own. And then he hangs a microphone.
00:55:39
The one article I read, it said they hung it right above his seat at the dinner table.
00:55:44
And he would just sit there and talk all day and all night. He sounds like Jim Jones.
00:55:49
Yes. It's totally Jim Jones. And it's the same time period too, isn't it? In fact, when they went down, we'll get to that later.
00:55:58
Will you remind me? Yes. Actually, there's part of that in my story too. silicon is there really okay so it's totally jim jones where he's it's just droning on about what
00:56:08
they are versus the outside world never like have thoughts nope and it's always him it's what he's
00:56:14
telling you it is so he's telling you the outside world is you know we need to keep together this
00:56:20
society is the best way to live the outside world is trying to make us addicts again we can't let
00:56:26
that happen um and he's just brainwashing constantly um brainwashing everybody um in
00:56:33
october of 1972 the san francisco examiner uh runs two articles about synod on one describing it as
00:56:41
quote the racket of the century and synod on sues the hearst corporation for 40 million dollars
00:56:47
that's ballsy it's super ballsy they what's crazy is um the hearst hearst settles out of
00:56:55
court with them for $600,000. Her skip gives them fucking gives them almost a million dollars just to go
00:57:02
away. And they see that as this huge victory. Not only do they have way more money,
00:57:09
but then they also are keeping people from, from exposing them essentially. Yeah.
00:57:14
And so then it, then it kicks up a notch in 1974. Synanon starts contacting parole officers around the Bay area,
00:57:22
asking if they have any juvenile offenders, because they'll take them in. Yeah. And so the court system starts sending juvenile offenders to Synanon.
00:57:33
And it's like, yeah, it's such a bummer. It's kind of like the what later on is like those outward bound kind of like,
00:57:40
are you a bad kid? We'll make you hike it off. Except for Synanon was just this ranch.
00:57:46
And these, it was mostly boys. They would show up and they were just like, what the fuck is this?
00:57:52
And they were, of course, made to do the game. And they were made to, but they, none of them wanted to do it.
00:57:58
So they weren't there voluntarily and they weren't addicts. So they were rebellious.
00:58:02
And so they were like, yeah, fuck this game. And I'm not doing this. Fuck you if you're telling me I'm a piece of shit.
00:58:07
And like, they fought everything. They were made to march, like day and night. They got woken up in the middle of the night, made to march.
00:58:15
And when they rebelled, when they were trying to do the game, and Charles Diedrich realized they weren't going to be willing participants,
00:58:24
he removed the one tenant of the organization that the organization was founded on,
00:58:29
which was no violence. Yeah. And he starts this thing called the Imperial Marines.
00:58:36
Oh, no. Which is basically his muscle security within the cult. The Imperial Marines.
00:58:44
The Imperial Marines. So when these punks are up doing the game and they're not playing, three guys walk up and just beat the living shit out of a kid.
00:58:54
And with all the other kids sitting there watching. So the kids start running away from this ranch.
00:59:01
Yeah. But you're out. This is OK. I'm telling you now I've complained that like, oh, we couldn't get pizza delivered and we never had cable and all that shit.
00:59:09
Yeah. Out where these people are, there's no streetlights. You are out in the middle of nowhere and it's pitch black at night.
00:59:16
You see, it's like the stars and the moon are your light. And that's fucking it.
00:59:20
And cars driving down the street. And one car would drive by maybe once every four hours.
00:59:25
Like you're out in the middle of nowhere. So these kids would get up in the middle of the night and run away.
00:59:31
And they would go to the neighbor's ranch. And the neighbors were two people named Alvin and Doris Gambonini.
00:59:37
Now the Gambonini's ranch was really well known in Petaluma because they used to have these big barn dances out there.
00:59:43
So if you lived in Petaluma, you would go out, you pay like 10 bucks and they had like live music and people would dance and they had a bar and it was like a whole thing that they used to do.
00:59:53
It very country of like we have our own bar I love it We make our own fun And the Gambini family you know they were cattle ranchers I can remember if they were dairymen or if they actually bred cattle
01:00:07
but they had a humongous ranch of their own. So they were like, when they moved in, it was just like,
01:00:13
I don't know, who are these weirdos? But for the most part, people kept to themselves.
01:00:17
It was not that big of a deal. Well, suddenly in the middle of the night, you know.
01:00:21
Teenagers. They have teenagers knocking on the door who are beaten senseless. There's one kid.
01:00:27
There was a really amazing obituary when Doris died. When she died, they talked about all of this involvement that they had, you know, against their will.
01:00:35
But kids would knock on the door. They'd bring them in. She would comfort them. She would give them something to eat.
01:00:40
And then Alvin would pay for their bus ticket home. Holy shit. And they would be the ones that were, like, getting these kids out of this cult.
01:00:47
and they said in this obituary that she kept all the thank you letters from the parents when the
01:00:54
kids finally got back home and were like these are the people that helped us get there oh my god
01:00:59
so the gambaninis were like huge in helping these poor trapped children and these poor people who
01:01:04
were just like out in the middle of nowhere but they so the rumor starts going around town
01:01:10
that like that these people are getting violent and they're getting militaristic and they're
01:01:14
starting to buy guns. And so they're starting to get worried. And they're like, there's a there's a
01:01:20
they own a they have a common fence line, there's an easement on it from the Walker Ranch side. And
01:01:26
they're like starting to get worried about who owns what and like, it's starting to get worrisome.
01:01:31
And and they start finding out that the kids are running away and the Gamboninis are helping them
01:01:35
escape. And one night Alvin and Doris are driving up their driveway to go home and their truck gets
01:01:41
surrounded by all these shaved head overall people with hammers and they attack the truck
01:01:47
they bust out the driver's side window they grab alvin and doris has to hold him and keep him in
01:01:55
the truck because they're going to pull him out to beat the shit out of him and they get away
01:01:59
they um get home they get safe they actually knocked out alvin's front teeth what the fuck
01:02:04
yeah and so like it's fucking like it's on it's like war with them and everybody around them
01:02:09
and it's really violent it's like they're they're they are letting people around the area know
01:02:15
there's another story about somebody in a purple truck hit a synanon member who was on a bicycle
01:02:22
and oh that's why your mom was like give them a wide fucking berth that's what it is because then
01:02:28
they went into the town of tamales found a purple truck waited for the guy to get into his truck and
01:02:33
then beat the living shit out of the guy that was in the truck holy shit so they're going crazy and
01:02:38
it's all being fed by Charles Diedrich on the wire telling everybody that everyone's trying to get them
01:02:44
and they need to get before they get got type of shit. So in 1977 Oh and by the way
01:02:52
just because it's like you then you hear that story about the Gamboninis and you're like so call the cops have them
01:02:58
fucking arrested but these people had legal teams. They had so much money and they had so many lawyers. They knew
01:03:04
that if they called the cops on them they get arrested they get out and then the revenge would come.
01:03:08
So they didn't do anything. And they found out that over 20,000 businesses and organizations were giving to or interacting with Sinan by the late 70s.
01:03:19
Oh, my God. So it's one out of five corporations in the Fortune 500 were donating or doing business with the organization.
01:03:28
What the shit? Like they were, they had infiltrated all these places under the guise of we're helping addicts get clean.
01:03:35
We're the new, we're a rehab center. Yeah. Okay, so in 1977, Charles' wife Betty dies of cancer.
01:03:41
And this is when it all goes crazy. Because up until this point, it's crazy enough.
01:03:46
But they said that his weirdest, craziest tendencies, she was keeping under control.
01:03:53
And when she dies, he now decides he's going to pick a new mate. He's in his late 60s.
01:04:01
He picks a 31-year-old. Then he decides no one should be married. if he can fall in love with a stranger so can anybody else so all the married couples have to
01:04:10
they're switching partners no and the and the cult decides who their new partners are they put
01:04:16
out they make a big spreadsheet oh my god and reassign everybody's partners wedding dining
01:04:21
seating yeah yes but but so that year that he decided to do that 600 couples got divorced
01:04:29
so they could be reorganized into different couples and that's true love it's so crazy and
01:04:37
in the he never liked kids being around so he'd always kept them separate and that would always
01:04:41
be like you can see your kid once a week and in the early days for a lot of people they were like
01:04:45
you're insane but then of course later on it was how it should be so all the kids were kept at the
01:04:51
school what they called the school and they basically listened to his teachings were taught
01:04:55
to worship him the little kids did the game like that there's a picture you can look it up there's
01:05:02
a picture online of a little boy sitting in a chair yelling like he's doing it to somebody else
01:05:07
put it on instagram guys it's fucking nuts okay so so everybody everybody gets a new husband or
01:05:14
wife great um he tells all the men they have to get vasectomies any woman who's pregnant has to
01:05:20
get an abortion they're shamed into getting abortions yes because he doesn't want kids there
01:05:25
Holy shit. Yeah. So the health department, there's been complaints everywhere, but nobody can take action.
01:05:33
The health department contacts Synanon to say they're going to come and inspect the
01:05:37
ranch because they have gotten reports of child abuse there. And Synanon, Charles basically tells them, if you show up, you're going to get a B down.
01:05:45
Holy shit. Yeah. And they think that when he won the lawsuit against Hearst Publishing, they think that's
01:05:53
what made him start to believe he had all the power and that like basically his money was going to buy him out of everything So but these but hearing that he getting more and more paranoid and his and his
01:06:05
what he's saying on the wire across the wire is getting more and more paranoid and all about basically it's turning into a militaristic thing.
01:06:14
He then decides he has to cut out the uncommitted members of the organization and he brings the membership down to a thousand people.
01:06:23
So, uh, Sounds like it was pretty huge at one point. Yeah. But he basically is so paranoid that even the people that are there that are shaved heads,
01:06:31
vasectomies, dedicated their whole life. He's like, not enough. You're out. Damn.
01:06:35
They got lucky. I know. For real. So then August 1978, the NBC Nightly News airs a segment about Synanon and how it's a cult.
01:06:44
And after the broadcast, several executives, NBC executives and corporate chairman, get hundreds of death threats.
01:06:54
Hundreds of death threats because there's so many Synanon members kind of like all around and supporters of it.
01:07:01
And then soon after this, two members of the Imperial Marines put a derattled four and a half foot diamondback rattlesnake into the mailbox of attorney Paul Morantz.
01:07:16
He reaches in to get his mail. He gets bitten by a four and a half foot rattlesnake.
01:07:23
No. humongous and he is hospitalized for six days so shit what happened was palmarance brought a
01:07:33
lawsuit against synanon because and i'll try to tell this the quickest way possible but essentially
01:07:39
what happened in 1977 this woman was kind of having a nervous breakdown her husband was really
01:07:45
worried about her he was like they were trying to make a plan of where they could bring her what to
01:07:49
do. And he had her drop him off at work. And she went to the family planning clinic in our
01:07:57
neighborhood to ask if she could have a tranquilizer because she was like, she was having, she was
01:08:01
having like all these thoughts and she couldn't calm down. She couldn't stop crying and she was
01:08:04
losing her shit. And the woman who worked at this family planning center was in Synanon.
01:08:09
And so she was, she sent her to Synanon. They take her in. They don't let her leave. She's like,
01:08:15
no, no, no, I don't want to be here. And they're like, no, you need to be here. And she's like,
01:08:19
I need to call my husband. And they're like, no, he wants you to be here. He doesn't want you.
01:08:23
Holy shit. And he, they're like, we're your family now. They keep her for two days in that Santa Monica crazy hotel on the beach.
01:08:30
And then they ship her, they bus her up to Walker Creek ranch where they do the game on her.
01:08:37
They do all this shit. And she has a psychotic break. Oh my God. Because she's like kidnapped.
01:08:43
She's been kidnapped. She's been told her husband doesn't want to be married to her anymore.
01:08:47
and that this is her new life. Oh, my God. So when they finally, so the husband, of course, is frantic.
01:08:54
He calls the police. They say there's nothing they can do. She's a grown woman. If she wants to join that cult, she can.
01:09:00
Like all that shit. He can't get anybody to help. And he finally gets referred to Paul Marantz, the attorney,
01:09:07
who had had a little bit of experience of getting people who had been put into nursing homes against their will.
01:09:13
That's how he had kind of started. And so he was like, and he, he, he heard the story and was like, I absolutely have to do
01:09:21
this. This is fucking crazy. Cause he finds out when he calls like the health department and all that, the people
01:09:26
are like talking and whispers like, yeah, we really can't do anything and whatever.
01:09:30
And he's like, who are these people? So he devises this plan. He has the husband call the wife.
01:09:36
He did like, they demand to talk on the phone. And then he basically says, keep asking her if she wants to come home until you get her
01:09:43
to say she wants to come home. so that we have the verbal uh you know yeah thing that she's being held against her will
01:09:49
and then he went in and was like now we're taking her and they're like fine you can take her she's
01:09:55
like because she wasn't contributing in any way that was meaningful she couldn't go out and get
01:09:59
donations she's psychotic yeah and so they said you just have to sign this waiver saying that
01:10:04
we're not responsible for anything that happened to her while she was at walker creek ranch and he
01:10:09
was like sounds great i'll sign that waiver signs the waiver as the attorney they leave and he slaps
01:10:14
on the lawsuit for what happened to her in santa monica when she first got taken yeah because he
01:10:19
was like are you crazy like we're taking you down yeah so he sues them for damages and they and he
01:10:25
wins and they have to pay him three hundred thousand dollars oh my god and so that's when
01:10:30
uh charles diedrick is like we have to take care of this guy yeah and sends out two members of the
01:10:35
imperial guard to put a fucking rattlesnake in his mailbox crazy which absolutely would have killed
01:10:41
him yeah like a snake that size yeah so insane okay so that basically is the beginning of the
01:10:48
end when that story breaks that they have done this thing they get caught like it's all immediate
01:10:54
on top of the news reports that had started to trickle out they go and they arrest charles
01:11:00
Diedrich. He's drunk when they arrest him. So this didn't work. No, this whole time he's been
01:11:07
running this fucking cult. He's been drinking. And, and apparently at one point he reintroduced
01:11:13
acid where he was like, yeah, and you guys can't drink or do drugs, but you, but we should all be
01:11:18
doing acid because it's going to help us open up. He's probably so bored having to stay in that
01:11:22
fucking ranch all day. It's like, you know what? Acid's fine now. Acid's fine too. But he was
01:11:26
completely a drunk he agrees to a plea bargain to avoid chail time because his lawyers say
01:11:32
that his health is so bad that he wouldn't he would die if he went to jail he in that plea
01:11:39
agreement he it stipulates he has to discontinue serving as an officer and the director of synodon
01:11:44
and the other two cult members um plead no contest and they end up going to jail
01:11:50
even though they were brainwashed into fucking doing it by him for him. So in 1980, and this is the coolest part
01:11:58
and this is the part where The movie will be based all around these people, in my opinion.
01:12:03
There's a tiny... So Point Reyes is a tiny town. Oh, yeah, they got good cheese.
01:12:08
That's right. Right north of the Golden Gate Bridge. If you basically went left instead of up the freeway and you went stick to the coast.
01:12:16
Point Reyes is right there. There's a very famous lighthouse and it's gorgeous. They have a newspaper there called The Point Reyes Light.
01:12:23
And in 1975, it was bought by a husband and wife, Dave and Kathy Mitchell. and so they've owned it for five years they keep hearing these stories about synodon so in 1980
01:12:34
they along with professor richard offshe um who taught at berkeley they write an expose of synodon
01:12:44
and the articles that come out in this paper break nationwide basically crack the story open
01:12:52
like as this what it is yeah and they end up winning the pulitzer holy shit for it this tiny
01:12:59
newspaper in a town that probably has 800 people yeah um so basically the irs gets rid of synodon's
01:13:07
tax-exempt status and orders them to pay 17 million dollars in back taxes for all those years
01:13:15
that they pretended to be a religion that's got hurt uh-huh so they go bankrupt and by 1991 they're
01:13:21
disbanded although there is a branch of synonym that was founded in germany in 1971 that still
01:13:26
exists to this day oh my god and richard died in 1997 which means he completely could have gone to
01:13:36
jail yeah um and should have because really he made those two guys were just brainwashed
01:13:41
cult members do it um but he didn't and oh and then richard offshe that professor
01:13:49
says that of the 6,000 to 10,000 residents of Synanon between 1958 and 1968, only 65 people were ever rehabilitated
01:13:58
and lived normal lives in society afterwards. What the fuck? That the entire thing was a fucking lie.
01:14:06
Well, no shit. And that is the cult of Synanon. Dude, that's the craziest story I've never heard of in my life.
01:14:12
Isn't it the best? Yeah. Shape your head. Okay. Okay, I'll do whatever. But I'm not wearing overalls.
01:14:20
That's where I drop it. I'll join a cult. I'll shave my head. I'll fucking handle snakes.
01:14:26
Not wearing overalls. You'll put a snake in a mailbox if need be. Anywhere. But not, you won't go so far as to wear overalls.
01:14:32
No. Well, that was amazing. Great. Thank you. Great job. Thank you. I have to pee.
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Well, I just get, I sometimes get these like, you know that nervous, fluttery feeling in your heart?
01:17:18
Yeah. Like when I'm about to start my story. Yeah. Sometimes I get those and I'm just like, you know, nervous.
01:17:25
Well, you are about to tell me something terrible. Yeah. But just like suddenly I have to give a presentation.
01:17:31
Oh, right. It doesn't happen when we go on stage. But for some reason, like right now, it's like, it's all you, dude.
01:17:36
Don't forget your gestures. Don't fuck this up. Yeah. Okay. Webster's Dictionary defines.
01:17:45
No, sorry. Go ahead. No, I wrote a rap about the murder to the song of the mom's spaghetti.
01:17:52
No. Okay. Okay. Okay so I really obsessed with this podcast right now called Teacher Pet that I can stop listening to That just investigative journalist podcast about this probable murder in Australia in the 80s
01:18:06
So that's where my fucking brain is right now. I was listening to it while I was in Hawaii.
01:18:11
Me too. And did you really? That's what my Hawaii was. We didn't talk about, though.
01:18:15
No. That's funny. Yeah. And I kept doing the thing where I fell asleep listening to it.
01:18:19
So I would listen consciously to two episodes and then subconsciously to eight. Yeah.
01:18:24
And it was weird because then I would re-listen to like, oh, now I'm on the third one.
01:18:27
But I'd be like, I know what's going to happen. It's weird. Yeah, I do that too.
01:18:31
It's such a good podcast. It's so good. And it's like, it's going to break as it's happening right now.
01:18:38
Like there's no, it's great. And so creepy. So creepy. I love it. So my brain is there right now.
01:18:46
And so I'm doing a story in Australia, same time period. I am doing the death of Azaria Chamberlain, aka A Dingo Ate My Baby.
01:19:01
Oh my god. I know. This is, no wonder you have butterflies. Yeah. This is an epic story.
01:19:09
It's an epic story. It's fucking horrible. I didn't know. And like, this is a, I used to hear that we used to say this joke, a dingo ate my baby
01:19:19
in elementary school here in the States as kids. And I didn't fucking know what it meant.
01:19:23
Right. And up until I really did all this research, I didn't completely know. But it's bananas.
01:19:28
So I hate to say that a dingo ate my baby like a joke, because it's not a joke. It's horrible.
01:19:33
But that's just what everyone knows it as. Right. It was almost like completely separated from the movie.
01:19:40
And it was more of people like to do that accent. Yeah. It was a playground version of throw another shrimp on the bar.
01:19:47
Yeah, it sounds funny and silly. Nobody knows what a fucking dingo. I didn't know what a dingo was until like, you know, an adult.
01:19:53
So it's not like little kids were saying a dog ate my baby. And people are like, ha ha ha.
01:19:57
A lion ate a bait. No, that's not what that. Right. All right. I think it was even a dingo took my baby.
01:20:02
Stole my baby. Eight. Okay. It's eight. All right. So the Chamberlain family consisted of 38 year old Michael.
01:20:10
He was, this family's all Seventh-day Adventists, and he's a pastor for Seventh-day Adventists.
01:20:17
His wife of 10 years, Lindy, she's 34, and they live in the northern, in northern Queensland
01:20:23
mining town of Mount Isa with their three children, a six-year-old boy named Aiden,
01:20:30
a four-year-old boy named Regan, and their infant little girl, Azaria, who's 10 weeks old.
01:20:35
the couple's like super attractive they're like cool whatever she has a Dorothy Hamill haircut and wears 80's
01:20:45
dresses that I fucking am obsessed with with no bra like that stylish kind of thing
01:20:49
yeah of the day yes and in the eventual made for TV movie A Cry in the Dark she's played by Meryl
01:20:55
fucking Streep so you can imagine she was very beautiful now was that a made for TV movie
01:20:59
or was it a full on movie you're right full on movie thank you for corrections corner
01:21:02
just because Meryl Streep doesn't do You're correct. I think I see a movie from the 80s and it looks so corny that I'm like, there's no way this had to be.
01:21:12
Well, and also it had that thing of like a family torn apart. You know, it has all those pieces.
01:21:17
Right. But you're right. And the father's played by Sam Neill. Yes. Who's? The great Sam Neill.
01:21:24
Yeah. You know him from Jurassic Park. And Twitter. He is the best Twitter feed.
01:21:28
He is the best on Twitter. He just shows pictures of all the animals on his farm.
01:21:32
Oh, my God. And like, and basically it'll be like him with a duck leaning in and he'll be like, no, the life or whatever.
01:21:37
You have to follow Sam Neill. He's doing Twitter, right? Yeah. If he's on Twitter for 68 hours a week, then he's doing it.
01:21:44
Wait, can I just say one more thing? Yeah. Sam Neill is also on Peaky Blinders. Okay.
01:21:48
Moment of silence for Peaky Blinders. Okay. All right. Season five coming, coming to you soon.
01:21:54
Email Karen. Tell her the Peaky Blind-erinos. I can't, please don't do that. I'll have a nervous breakdown.
01:22:02
I can't handle it. Okay, so we're in August 1980. We're fucking picking up where you left off, basically.
01:22:07
The family goes on a camping trip to Central Australia's most famous natural feature, Ayers Rock.
01:22:13
It fucking basically looks like a desert version of the mashed potato sculpture that they make in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
01:22:21
I just started watching Zachary Quinto's new version of In Search Of. Do you remember In Search Of from Leonard Nimoy?
01:22:30
That's so amazing that it's Leonard Nimoy and Zachary Quinto plays him because he played
01:22:34
Leonard Nimoy. Yeah. I love that. And he also is interested in all the weird stuff.
01:22:38
And I love Zachary Quinto. He's great. And at the very beginning of that thing, they had this beautiful time-lapse shot of Air's
01:22:45
Rock. Nuh-uh. Yes, because I watched it last night and went, that's so weird, Karen.
01:22:49
All I could think of was what a great shot it was because they did this thing where like
01:22:53
the star, it shows the stars, how many stars you can see because you're in the middle of
01:22:57
nowhere. Yeah. And it's gorgeous. and it's like you see the entire... Like swooping across the sky the way they do it.
01:23:03
I love that. Like when you can see the Milky Way in the sky. I have to watch. I love it.
01:23:08
That's amazing. It's in the Northern Territory of Australia. You got to be like, why would you bring it...
01:23:14
The thought of fucking camping with a 10-week-old baby sounds horrible, but I am...
01:23:18
The thought of camping with myself sounds horrible, so I'm not the person to talk to about that.
01:23:22
Not your style. No. They pitch a tent next to their car at a campsite. There's other campers there.
01:23:28
It's, you know, it's a populated place. It's not like they were all by themselves or anything.
01:23:33
Right. That day, they did normal camping people stuff, like the boys all went hiking, and the mom, you know, kind of just wandered around, looked around at shit.
01:23:44
And Lindy later said that she had seen a dingo cave, sorry, a dingo near a cave, and she felt uneasy.
01:23:53
And it found it staring at her and she said she had a feeling that the dog was casing the baby And like okay so then I write so what a dingo Webster Dictionary defines a dingo as it so weird that you knew I was going to do that
01:24:08
So what the fuck is a dingo? It's basically a fucking wild, feral dog. You know, and that makes you think, it's really cute.
01:24:17
So you're like, oh, it's not that harm. It's like harmless, but it's not. It's like a coyote.
01:24:21
It's like a coyote. Yeah. the dingo it's a medium-sized canine lean arty body blah blah blah uh some of its prey includes
01:24:29
kangaroos cattle water buffaloes and horses and it's a dog size so imagine like to have to take a
01:24:37
dog attacking a horse yeah so they're fucking serious they're serious their jaws like apparently
01:24:41
open wider than like regular dogs and stuff they're like fucking scary and they're like
01:24:45
scavengers you're not going to fucking tame this dog no um so uh so that night on august 17th
01:24:54
1980 i was just maybe two months old at that point two months old baby oh my god i was the
01:25:01
same age as her okay oh that's crazy yeah shit uh no it's not it's actually not that interesting
01:25:07
i mean but it's personal which is fun yeah uh 8 p.m so it's well after dark those stars are up in
01:25:14
the sky. Lindy finishes breastfeeding Azaria, takes her to the tent. The tent's about 30 feet
01:25:20
from the picnic table where everyone's kind of congregating and hanging out, places the baby in
01:25:25
the bassinet on the ground, though, like makes a little makeshift bed, covers her with blankets.
01:25:29
Then she takes one of the boys who wanted something to eat over to the back to the picnic
01:25:34
table. And that boy for the rest of his fucking life is probably traumatized and has to have so
01:25:39
much therapy you have to feel so bad for these kids um at 8 15 p.m the chamberlains and the
01:25:46
other campers hear sharp cries from azaria in the tent they hear the baby cry out lindy fucking
01:25:53
books it for the tent just as she sees the dingo run out of the tent with something in its mouth
01:25:58
she goes to the tent she's fucking looking in the you know blankets for the baby and can't find her
01:26:04
runs out of the tent, runs in the direction of the fleeing dingo and yells, help, a dingo's got my baby.
01:26:13
There. The adjacent, the other campers form a search party. They are, there's authorities and local residents
01:26:21
eventually totaling over 300 volunteers, including aborigine expert trackers with their dogs come
01:26:27
and people are fucking trying to find this fucking dingo lair where this dingo took the baby.
01:26:32
dingo paw prints were noted in the sand outside the tent the trail and the trail is followed which
01:26:38
shows marks indicating a dingo was partly dragging an object periodically setting it down maybe to
01:26:44
rest or to readjust its grip and where the where the object was put down uh the depressions contain
01:26:50
the imprint of a knitted garment oh so it's pretty clear what what had happened right um the trail
01:26:57
indicated the destination towards known dingo dens but they lose they lose the track uh and
01:27:03
couldn't they couldn't follow it any further so initially at this point everyone's like clearly
01:27:08
this is exactly what happened there's no doubting their stories by authorities or anyone um and a
01:27:14
dingo was seen in the campground before dark by campers that same night and one of the other
01:27:19
campers said that a dingo had and she ended up testifying had tried to grab her older daughter
01:27:24
by the arm like and they were feeding the dingo like throwing food at it kind of they were like
01:27:29
you know not scared of that right um sorry but it the way you just said that i've tried and
01:27:36
grabbed her daughter by the arm it seemed like the dingo hooked his arm with her arm like get
01:27:42
over here get over here you we're gonna come to my cave let's skip um but no no with its mouth
01:27:49
aggressive dog shit yeah dog stuff yes um and other campers heard a dog growl minutes before
01:27:56
the baby they heard the baby's cry so everyone was backing them up also a park the park ranger
01:28:02
had recently warned that the dingo population was increasing and becoming very aggressive and had
01:28:07
wanted to make you know do extra things to make sure people knew that um and the following days
01:28:13
dingoes in the area are fucking shot and killed and their stomach contents gone through to see if
01:28:18
there's any human bone or human protein but there's no sign of his area and the chamberlains
01:28:24
return home which is so awful so horrible um okay then a week later august 24th 1980 a photographer
01:28:33
is shooting in the area his name is wally goodwin and he notices some baby clothes in the brush
01:28:39
and uh found are a bloody jumpsuit booties diaper and an undershirt all belonging to his area
01:28:46
um zaria sorry and he is like i know what this is and he doesn't touch anything he doesn't want
01:28:53
to disturb it he doesn't even take photographs of it he fucking calls the authorities they come
01:28:57
and he's really fucking surprised when one of the cops reaches down with his bare hand and just
01:29:02
grabs one of the clothing before he even takes a photograph of where everything is laid i don't know
01:29:07
yeah um he quickly examines the clothes maybe to look for bones i don't know why
01:29:13
and then attempts to place the clothing back in the way it was, but he lays it, it looks placed because it is placed,
01:29:24
which leads to people thinking that it was placed there by the parents, the clothes, and it was staged.
01:29:30
So, da-da-da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da-da. Okay, so they also failed to properly examine and photograph the tent's interior.
01:29:37
So there's no proper photos of those things. blood vegetation and hair samples found on azaria clothing are examined and the tears and the fibers are studied to see if it you know what a fucking dog or dingo attack would look like and then a wildlife reserve dingoes are tossed meat wrapped in a baby diapers so that the marks on the diapers could be studied and compared to as aria right um the media and the public go fucking bat shit like this
01:30:09
is their oj simpson trial and like they go crazy for this story everyone is like torn on whether a
01:30:16
dingo did it or not people are like there's no way a dingo would do that um dingoes did do shit
01:30:21
like that but it was usually the aboriginal uh people so they didn't so you know white people
01:30:26
didn't care didn't give a shit and didn't like uh hear about it yeah um okay so of course uh as
01:30:34
always the case with this type of things uh the chamberlains their demeanor is scrutinized by the
01:30:40
media and the public they they don't observe what they would expect from a couple that had just
01:30:45
tragically lost their child and i kind of fucking get it because it i mean it's totally
01:30:50
it's creepy so lynn is asked in this one interview uh if she was surprised that the clothing that was
01:30:57
found was hardly torn because there was just one tear by the neck and one little tear in the arm
01:31:01
not a ton of blood um and she calmly describes and there's video of it of how a dingo uh how a
01:31:08
dingo attacks its prey and that it paws at the prey you know say like a fucking kangaroo to rip
01:31:14
the skin off and she says peel it like an orange so that's probably what happened with the clothes
01:31:20
and why there wasn't a lot of bite marks and shit on the clothes. They just peeled it off.
01:31:25
But she's talking about her fucking baby, and she's so stony-faced and not fucking reacting at all.
01:31:31
And it's weird, but we all know now that you can't judge someone's grieving process,
01:31:37
but it's fucking weird. Well, and also, could she be on Xanax or some kind of intense medicine that's...
01:31:44
Well, here's what she is. is a seventh day Adventist and their, uh, their, the, their belief is that,
01:31:51
uh, whatever happens is God will, and they trusted in it. So they weren't in mourning.
01:31:56
That's what some people say. Oh, they were like, yeah, she, God wanted her this to happen.
01:32:01
They're not like, they're not devastated. And at seventh day Adventist fucking tell me about email me.
01:32:07
Well, I mean, you're in mourning because you still have lost your child, but you,
01:32:13
there's something, it's not that thing of like clawing at your hair going why, why, why?
01:32:18
Or like, you know, yeah. But still like, yeah. But either way, like it is so crazy that there's only 30 years ago or whatever,
01:32:26
but that it's such a different thing now. Cause it's like, you don't, who knows who slips people pills when they're like,
01:32:33
oh, you're in the worst grief of your life. Just take this for next two weeks or whatever.
01:32:38
Of course, in an interview, she has a point where she's like, if I had been crying and bawling,
01:32:42
they would have said that I was faking it in acting. And then when I, if I had a stony face,
01:32:46
they would have said I was heartless, which is what they ended up doing. Also, she's really beautiful,
01:32:49
which of course just turns people against her immediately as well. Yeah, that's right.
01:32:54
So newspapers, like the media, this is on the front of every, it sells so many fucking newspapers
01:33:00
that any little thing they could get, and they were being fed a lot of secret information from the police,
01:33:05
they would print it. So newspapers feel suspicion that they'd killed their baby because also seven day adventures at this time in Australia is really misunderstood no one really
01:33:15
knows much about it they report that rumors that the Chamberlains killed their baby possibly as
01:33:21
religious sacrifice oh no to atone for the sins of their church or they were somehow linked to
01:33:26
the Jonestown mass suicide that happened two years earlier so they think it's either culty
01:33:31
or they think like they're witches and they had sacrificed her yeah we didn't talk about your
01:33:36
Jonestown. It was just that Jonestown when the rattlesnake thing happened Jonestown had happened the month
01:33:42
before. Holy shit. So it basically people were like uh-uh they shut it down. Yeah.
01:33:49
Okay so even Azaria's name which is Hebrew and it means blessed of God or whom God aids. They
01:33:56
mistranslate it and they say it means sacrifice to the wilderness. What? Which is I think
01:34:00
the translation in like a different language. So that's they're like fucking see but like imagine if you really believe that was true that they sacrificed her on ayers
01:34:09
rock and they're like oh my god we just found out that the name means sack like that's fucking
01:34:13
spooky yes and it's the it's the thing people love and it's the it's how you know like that
01:34:19
tabloid press works in that way where it's kind of like a beautiful person that's the worst thing
01:34:24
we can say like we're unmasking a devil right everyone loves that story and it's like you know
01:34:30
I was watching all these shows and shit about it. And it's like the worse, the more unfathomable, unfathomable the event is,
01:34:38
which is a baby getting murdered. Yes. The more insane and like crazy the theories are going to be because people can't fucking handle it.
01:34:46
Just being an accident or just being something, you know, it has to have these connotations and shit.
01:34:53
Which kind of explains like the thing that bothers me so much, which is that the Sandy Hook truther people,
01:34:58
which is Alex Jones telling people that this is a conspiracy. What the fucking fuck?
01:35:04
But if you are the kind of person that has either mental issues or faced extreme loss or whatever,
01:35:12
somebody coming in and telling you, hey, guess what? That's not real. Thank God.
01:35:17
I didn't want to believe in it. Thank God. 22 kindergartners did not get shot. Like it didn't happen.
01:35:23
You don't want it to. So you grab at what he's saying. And then you hold on really tight.
01:35:27
That's right. And that sounds like what this is. It's like, we can't have the idea.
01:35:32
We can't have random chaos eating our babies. We need it to be. We can't. Yeah, we can't have that.
01:35:37
Camping isn't safe, even though there's a ton of people around. And that something as simple as a dingo snatching your baby, like that wouldn't happen.
01:35:45
Because that's, you know, last week when I was having a bad weekend, I talked to my therapist
01:35:49
about it. She was like, the reason you're having a hard week with all these things that are happening,
01:35:53
like the shooting at Trader Joe's and shit, is because it's chaotic. Yes. and it's unexpected
01:35:58
and that makes it so much harder than if it's like someone you know dies of cancer or something. It's, you know, it's horrible
01:36:04
and awful, but it was expected. And yeah, it doesn't make you feel like a complete lack of
01:36:09
control. Right. And it's that issue of you, I'm, I'm such a good parent. This could never happen
01:36:14
to me. Yeah. And if the story is that it just happened to two great parents, not just good
01:36:19
parents, but like religious, you know, good people, responsible parents, that opens a reality
01:36:25
pocket that like there are people who can't have it well that makes total sense because the shit
01:36:29
they grabbed on to like once uh lynn or lindy dressed as aria in all black and a cute little
01:36:37
black nighty and or like and that's fucking it's people can't handle a baby wearing black god
01:36:42
forbid isn't that weird so they must be satanists or whatever i'm just trying to picture and i also
01:36:47
can't picture it is weird and hard to picture but i mean it was like a baby's dress but also someone
01:36:55
gave her the dress yeah i don't know whatever you can wear dress your baby in whatever fucking color
01:37:01
you want i mean there's people who have babies who like have shit in the fund that says like
01:37:05
i'll shit on your hand or whatever and people think it's great or like daddy's fucking i love
01:37:11
to spend daddy's money or whatever you're like what the fuck is this i'm the daddy in this
01:37:16
situation what you're six months old get out of here the daddy in this situation is our new shirt
01:37:23
immediately. Steven, please write that down. And actually, in the fan cult, we're going to be having contests
01:37:32
to see who can design our next piece of merch or whatever. So join the fan cult because I feel like that has to be the first one.
01:37:40
I'm the daddy in this situation. I'm the daddy in this situation. But here are the rules.
01:37:44
Please don't involve any babies in that picture. Yeah, nothing babyish. We can't have a dingo or a baby in that picture.
01:37:50
Go to MyFavoriteMurder.com, join the fan cult. Put your, what's it called? Put your name in the fishbowl.
01:37:57
Put your business card in the fishbowl. Count the marble. How many marbles are in the jar?
01:38:01
Fucking 500. That's right. Always say 500. This has gone off the rails. Yes. Entirely.
01:38:07
Okay. There were rumors. Okay. There's all these rumors about what really happened and why.
01:38:13
Like, they needed to give her a reason as to why she did it. So, there's all these bullshit stories.
01:38:17
It's boring. And then, of course, there's like a TV crew invites the, A TV crew is invited to film an experiment that the police do with a dummy baby pulled through the desert brush to see if a dingo will get it.
01:38:33
So they're wanting the media to come see all this sensational bullshit. Another to film a search of a sewer of a motel room where the Chamberlains had slept the night of the disappearance.
01:38:45
So they're like fueling this shit. so uh none of these rumors fucking matter because on february 20th 1981 after an inquest magistrate
01:38:53
and coroner of alice springs dennis barrett gives his conclusion on live tv you're like why would you
01:39:00
do that you're just fueling it but he's like this has gotten so fucking insane i like let's just get
01:39:04
this over with and earlier in that day there had been a bomb threat called in the fucking courthouse
01:39:08
they cleared out like because people are so incensed by this whole story like everyone is
01:39:14
fucking losing their fucking shit uh and he states that azaria had died by a dingo attack
01:39:19
and that the he the coroner also chastised the police for a shitty police work and said that he
01:39:25
had felt some of the police may have been against the idea of a dingo being involved from the start
01:39:29
and had like tried to find you know bullshit stories right and that their evidence against
01:39:34
the chamberlains did not stand up and also note said that the clothes were tampered with after the
01:39:38
fact all this shit yeah and the police are like fuck this dude fuck this shit we'll show you
01:39:45
uh-oh that's not good no and he they refuse to accept the coroner's findings what and this is the coroner's inquest and as we listen to in the teacher's pet like that's a
01:39:55
really big deal in australia i feel like we don't do that as much here right don't lean on that as
01:39:59
much here but it seems like in australia it's like what the coroner's inquest says goes yeah
01:40:04
right um so the uh authority's theory is that lindy took azaria from the tent to the car
01:40:11
took her into the car slit her throat the baby's throat then stuffed her body in a camera bag the
01:40:17
family's camera bag because they found like clothing fibers in there or something and then
01:40:23
with michael's help um and after the searchers had gone home they fucking run out to the desert
01:40:29
and leave the body, bury her body, plant the clothes as a decoy because they had been folded and shit.
01:40:37
And yeah, that they have no motive. They just did it because they're Seventh-day Adventists.
01:40:41
Right. Because they're different. Yes. And then so authorities get a second opinion.
01:40:47
They're like, well, fuck you, coroner. Our second opinion is from a British forensics expert
01:40:51
named James Cameron. I love his films. Yeah. Do you? No. that's what i thought uh he this fucking pile of shit dude he sucks he uh he later get later like
01:41:07
all of these cases that he had uh expertly testified in of course and gotten people
01:41:12
prosecuted and charged for turns out he he was full of shit in a lot of them oh no but in the
01:41:18
meantime like that blood spatter expert exactly yeah um he examines the clothing and comes to
01:41:23
the conclusion that azaria's throat had been cut and that he puts ultraviolet uh photos shows up a
01:41:30
handprint on the in blood on the jumpsuit and you're like and he's like here's the handprint
01:41:34
and you're like can't see i ask a question really quick all these um conclusions or whatever there's
01:41:40
no body they're just doing it based on the clothing there's no bones all they have is the body
01:41:45
and you just said all the hand all the bones from the body are oh god that sounds awful no no no okay
01:41:52
all they have is clothes yes right okay that all they have okay um so but okay but i mean he saying these things of like a throat cut and stuff yeah he like look at the fibers here look at the way the blood is
01:42:07
look at the you know and then he's like there's no dingo saliva on the um on the clothes you know
01:42:15
all this crazy shit and lindy's like the reason that what might be because azaria actually had a
01:42:21
coat over that was never found. So she had what they call a matinee coat over all the clothes that
01:42:28
they found and the matinee coats never found. So that probably would have taken the brunt of the
01:42:32
blood and the dragging and the ripping because that's what she was wearing initially. Right.
01:42:38
So she's saying that that's why it's there. But they're like, well, what this bullshit missing
01:42:42
matinee coat doesn't exist, they're saying. Okay. The Chamberlain's home and car is searched.
01:42:48
Huge quantities of items are taken by police. And the vehicle is forensically grid searched by a laboratory technician with a biology background.
01:42:56
She finds suspected blood stains on the council and the floor and under the dashboard,
01:43:03
which was described as arterial spray patterns, meaning like from your fucking neck, spraying blood out your neck,
01:43:12
which fits the theory that her throat was cut. investigators came to have positively identified the blood as fetal blood too so it's a baby's blood
01:43:21
okay they this is real really happening like they see blood spatter in the car that's what
01:43:28
they're saying they find okay i don't like that no okay despite all the eyewitness all the
01:43:36
eyewitnesses all the people at the fucking campsite are like backing up the fucking uh
01:43:40
chamberlains they're like this is exactly this is not what happened blah blah blah uh they they
01:43:45
police go back to question them again. They all have consistent stories once again, but the police
01:43:51
told them they didn't want to hear anything about a dingo. They're like, tell me your story again.
01:43:55
Don't fucking say a thing about a dingo, like without a dingo in it. Very odd. November 1981,
01:44:01
the Supreme Court in the Northern Territory quashes the findings of the first inquest.
01:44:07
And in February of 82, the second coroner's inquest finds cause to commit Lindy to trial
01:44:12
on charges of murder. And Michael Chamberlain is charged as an accessory after the fact.
01:44:18
So they go to fucking trial. They go to fucking trial and it's, of course, the mother.
01:44:23
Right. The mother did it. The mother did it. An all-white jury, nine men and three women,
01:44:30
which, of course, the women would have been more sympathetic. So, of course, nine men makes more sense
01:44:34
for the prosecution. Right. They hear over 150 witnesses. Many of them are expert forensic experts.
01:44:41
some of considerable note and evidence that lindy who's now by the way seven months pregnant
01:44:48
oh no with another another baby they hear evidence that she had slit her throat azaria's throat with
01:44:54
scissors in the family car and uh yeah and tried to simulate a dingo attack and like planted all
01:45:02
this evidence to make it look like a dingo attack craziest yeah it's crazy it's go to a plate go out
01:45:09
and then around get around 30 people yeah and then stage yeah a multi-tiered dog-based kidnapping
01:45:18
totally insanity but for no reason for no reason also we're like we don't have to prove we don't
01:45:24
need to give you a motive like they were just not gonna get she just because they just want to kill
01:45:28
their brand new yeah also you know how they say like the way babies are the way their faces are
01:45:34
the way they look it's all um what are they it's made for our like base reptilian brain to love it
01:45:42
because that's how we that's why we take care of babies and care about them no it's it's all there's
01:45:48
no it makes no sense it makes no sense it goes against everything oh evolution that's the word
01:45:53
okay ultimately she's found guilty what and despite the judge being like to the jury yo dudes
01:46:04
this fucking evidence like you guys know what reasonable doubt is like basically telling them
01:46:10
don't fucking do this they do it and you kind of understand it in a way like with the oj simpson
01:46:15
trial it's like these jury the jury members are fucking probably terrified for their life if they
01:46:20
vote the wrong way yes and piss off this uh the police 50 so there's a poll that shows 52
01:46:28
percent of the nation's residents believe that she's guilty um so she lindy is sentenced to life
01:46:36
imprisonment with hard labor fuck and michael's given a three-year suspended sentence right so
01:46:43
he's of course all right one month after beginning her sentence lindy gives birth to a daughter oh
01:46:50
i know who she immediately after an hour has to give away well over a hundred thousand of australia
01:46:56
Australians signed petitions calling for her release. And everyone's super divided on this.
01:47:02
Like people are fucking fighting over this. It's insane. But then something fucking bananas happens.
01:47:08
I mean, something even more bananas happens. I just got chills. Yeah. Because I'm like, this is so hopeless.
01:47:14
Do you know? This is crazy. No, I don't know. Okay. This is fucking crazy. So three years later, 1986, an English tourist and hiker named David Brett
01:47:25
was hiking at uh ayers rock yes oh and he lost his footing and falls to his death in a little
01:47:36
to a little frequented side of that area oh no the rock sucks he dies fucking r.i.p david brett
01:47:43
while they're looking for him they find the matinee jacket oh fuck oh what a sad i know
01:47:54
and yet thank god I know this whole story is worst case scenario in every way I know I know
01:48:05
So they find it. Eight days later, okay, they find the jacket in an area full of dingo layers.
01:48:13
Like, it's an area that's fucking crazy. They also, okay, so it's her jacket. And it's covered in blood and fucked up and crazy and shit.
01:48:22
And it also confirms her story of what happened. So the chief minister ordered Lindy's release from prison immediately.
01:48:31
So on February 7, 1986. So that's fucking six years after Azaria got fucking stolen.
01:48:39
She's freed. And they go back and test that fetal blood in the car. And it turns out not to be blood at all, Karen.
01:48:48
it turns out the drops are spilled chocolate milkshake and some copper ore dust uh and the
01:48:54
arterial arterial spray was over spray from injected sound deadener applied at the car's
01:49:00
factory so they just like sprayed foam on the car and they were like nope that's fetal blood
01:49:04
what that was forensic fucking science i hope at least two people got fired for that shit i hope so
01:49:09
to um on september 15th 1988 both convictions were quashed they're pardoned but they're not
01:49:19
exonerated oh man and lindy's fucking pissed and she's like well fuck you yeah but you need to
01:49:25
apologize to me like she wants an apology um and people still kind of fucking hate her for this
01:49:29
shit of course that shit doesn't go away to this day people still don't totally believe her like
01:49:35
half Australians. I don't know how many, but they still don't believe her. Well, can I just say one thing? Because then when things like get like this, then the rumors start.
01:49:46
Everybody knows somebody who went to school with her, who did this with her, who has a Seventh-day Adventist relative who's this weird and that da-da-da.
01:49:53
Well, do you know that in one of our minisodes, we read a minisode by a girl whose father was the
01:50:01
detective on this case oh shit and people got mad at us because i was you know looking up
01:50:06
on our email and in the facebook group just to see if anyone had anything to say
01:50:09
uh people were like because she was like well we have to say it's it was a dingo but we all
01:50:14
know the truth winky face and people were like pissed at us because we just kind of glossed over
01:50:20
and didn't know but we didn't know we were just reading an email so like people are still fucking
01:50:25
and then i was reading like the facebook you know threads about it and some people are like oh no no
01:50:31
wow it's still divided i remember reading that email because it was kind of like
01:50:36
uh it just seemed like but that but that's the thing if you have somebody that's like the inside
01:50:42
information yeah i'm the lead detective i'm i know things i'm privy to information i can't tell you
01:50:47
trust the lead detective yes and that's and if so of course of course she's everybody's in their
01:50:52
own cult yeah everybody's in their own cult whether you're the cult of i believe whatever
01:50:57
the police say. Or your fucking weird family. Or I hate anybody that has a religion different than mine, therefore
01:51:02
their other and other has to be gotten rid of. I'm a fucking Sandy Hook truther.
01:51:07
Fuck. Bastard. We have to figure out these human issues before the world ends. That's right.
01:51:15
Quickly. Quickly, because there's so many stupid people out there, you guys. We fucking smart
01:51:21
and popular ones need to fix this. Now. Please. smart popular people usually smart and popular don't go together we're changing all that
01:51:31
um and then we mispronounce every city in australia shit okay may 1992 northern terry territory government announced a payment of 1.3 million
01:51:44
to the chamberlains as compensation but that's even less than their fucking that's far less than
01:51:49
their bills their legal bills where it said of course um and also later people from that
01:51:54
government were like, well, we didn't think we thought she was guilty still. We just had to let her go.
01:51:58
So even they still thought she was. What more do they need? I don't know. In February of 2012, a fourth coroner's inquest finally into the death of Azaria Chamberlain
01:52:07
was opened by territory coroner Elizabeth Morris. Finally a fucking sane person here.
01:52:13
Elizabeth Morris considered new evidence concerning dingo attacks on humans, including three fatal
01:52:19
attacks on children since the third inquest. Oh, there was a dude, there was like a fucking expert with a forensic witness on this trial on the stand who said that dingo's mouths can't open big enough to like grab a baby by the head.
01:52:33
And then the fucking defense attorney just holds up a photo of a dingo with a doll's head in its mouth.
01:52:37
And the guy was just like silent. It's just like all of these people being like, this can't happen.
01:52:41
And then it's like, well, you're wrong. God, that's weird. Like, this is a true witch hunt.
01:52:47
Yeah. Yes. It's it's a lot of articles. It's Salem-y bullshit. it yeah um so including three fatal attacks on children since since they started the third since
01:52:59
they started the fourth inquest there's been three fatal attacks on oh so it's like it happens yeah
01:53:04
and then she concludes that uh after 32 years eight legal proceedings and tens of millions
01:53:10
spent on the investigation that a dingo did indeed kill azaria and azaria's death certificate
01:53:15
it finally has changed from unknown to dingo attack wow and that's the death of azaria chaverly
01:53:21
shit dude yeah that's aka a dingo ate my baby god that's my baby it's just mind-blowing i know
01:53:30
how like i see these ones and i'm like how have we never done this yeah there's got to be so many
01:53:35
other ones like that i'll be honest when you first started i was like we've definitely done this
01:53:39
i texted steven but i bet you it's because of that minisode i think it is i texted steven when
01:53:45
I thought of it and I told Vince, I was like, I'm going to do it. And he was like, I'm pretty sure one of you did that in Australia.
01:53:50
I was like, shit. So I texted Steve and I'm like, please tell me we did it. I mean I so glad Here the thing too is like it you know we get it It like when you divided and there we there lots of details we don know And to actually be there and be involved
01:54:06
Yeah. Also, this day and age, we're also used to the tabloid, you know, the crazy shit.
01:54:12
We're all in that process. We get it. Yeah. But back then, it's like the 80s when it really was first.
01:54:17
You thought there was a bad baby, bad boy. Yeah. You saw it on the fucking cover of a magazine.
01:54:21
Yeah. There's also a thing, too, where I think especially in Australia and places like where it took place, is that unless you understand what it's like out there in the middle, the aboriginals could have been like, yeah, that totally makes sense that a dingo would have done that.
01:54:33
But people who are from fucking Sydney or major cities are like, that's insane. A dingo wouldn't do that.
01:54:40
Dingoes keep to themselves or they're polite. I don't know. Right. But unless you're from that place, you don't understand what it's really like there.
01:54:48
And I think it's the same goes for places like Petaluma or like with your story.
01:54:52
It's like unless you're fucking living out there, you don't understand how secluded it is or whatever the fuck.
01:54:58
And what the culture is. Right. It also makes me think of and this is a little bit of a weird left turn.
01:55:03
But I don't know if you saw this on social media. It was at a Cubs game and a player threw the ball to the little boy in the front row.
01:55:11
Yeah. And it dropped and the guy picked it up and handed it to his wife. Right. and that clip got played and all these people went batshit bananas and hated this guy now this
01:55:21
guy looked he was like blonde shaved head with his oakley blades the little boy was really little
01:55:28
and really cute or whatever and it just looked like this weird to me i will say the first time
01:55:34
i saw it it looked like this symbol of yeah what we've turned into in america where people are just
01:55:39
grabbing to get their own they don't care yeah who they knock over and it you know it just in i was
01:55:44
thinking I was like, the only reason I didn't immediately retweet it and be like, yeah, this
01:55:49
guy's because I was trying to think of like, something different to say than all the other
01:55:52
people that were doing it. And the next day, there was this article that was like, everybody got this
01:55:58
wrong. And it was all the people that were sitting around that guy, and around that little kid,
01:56:03
that guy had already, he had caught a ball himself and already given it to that little kid.
01:56:08
so yeah the little kid already had a ball from that guy yeah and that when they when the wife
01:56:15
took this picture of the second ball she then handed it to the little kid on her right so as
01:56:20
opposed to being total monster assholes these actually were kind of the coolest people in the
01:56:25
section yeah and all the people around were like yeah i don't know what you're doing on twitter but
01:56:30
like they just didn't show that part they only showed the second half we all have this like uh
01:56:35
what's the word like trigger a hair trigger of being incensed and angry right now which is because
01:56:42
there's a lot of shit that we should be incensed and angry about so much that we are that's all we
01:56:48
do now is figure out who we hate and i just think like yeah it's a human it's a human thing to do
01:56:56
is to get indignant and this is wrong and this guy needs to be called out because we've now we
01:57:02
trust any picture we see yeah the first thing that comes up any headline headline you don't
01:57:07
read the article you're just like i hate that too i know this this about that yeah and it feels good
01:57:12
to be self-righteous that makes us we feel so bad about everything else that it feels great to be
01:57:16
self-righteous and to call out an enemy and be like that guy's the worst and i anyway after just
01:57:23
reading that article i just kind of went like i have to at least put a pause on it yeah and and
01:57:28
at least acknowledge that's my instinct and i need to i need to start with the man in the mirror
01:57:33
and like you need to stop look and listen yeah what is going on inside of you what my feelings
01:57:39
are what is this triggering in you this might be about is this about you or is this about baseball
01:57:43
why do i need to is it i'm i am i jealous of baseball do you love baseball do i want to be
01:57:48
at a baseball game vince is at a baseball game right this fucking moment dollar dodger dogs
01:57:52
tonight. I told him to sneak one home for me. I bet he won't. I know I am too. Sneak one home.
01:57:58
Do you know how terrible a ballpark dog would be three hours later in a pocket? Would I eat it
01:58:05
still? Does he do that for you? Does he bring you dodger dogs? No. Oh my god, that would be hilarious.
01:58:11
If he does, I'll let you know. He's like, onions, mustard. Yeah. I'll put it in my pocket. That's
01:58:16
right. No, he doesn't. He does nice stuff. But that's not one of them. Thank god. Yeah,
01:58:20
I think that pocket Dodger dog a pocket dog oh hey hey Georgia brought you a hot dog oh my god
01:58:28
but it's from this afternoon I said yes it's from this afternoon and I've been sweating you open up
01:58:35
the hot dog and there's another engagement ring another engagement this is the most romantic thing
01:58:40
a husband could do for an already married wife um we should go to a baseball game what is your
01:58:47
fucking hooray. I will tell you and it's now I'm going to be a little bit riot girl about this and
01:58:53
say I'm slightly embarrassed to tell you this and I've actually told you this already but I'm going
01:58:56
to say it for the show and of course for Steven who I want to know all my personal thoughts.
01:59:01
I started my therapist told me I was I had a certain series of complaints where she went I
01:59:07
think you need to listen to Shonda Rhimes the year of yes and I roll your eyes so hard that
01:59:13
your head hurt. I was like, I certainly will. And then I walked out angry. Like, how dare you?
01:59:17
It's so weird. It is really specific when your therapist suggests an actual thing, like a book
01:59:24
or an app or a, you know, person to listen to. Yeah, that's the mind doesn't do that a lot. Yeah.
01:59:30
So you have to take them seriously. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Also, since she's been my therapist for
01:59:35
like 14 years, and she I know how rarely she does it. But she had just listened to it. And she's
01:59:41
like a lot of this reminds me of she talks about a lot of this stuff and so essentially it's so
01:59:49
fucking good now i already have who i i feel like many of us but i definitely have intense respect
01:59:55
for shonda rhimes who has an entire night of television yeah um had, I don't know if currently it's like this, if it's still, if this is still the lineup,
02:00:04
but for years, she basically owned Thursday night, which is fucking crazy. She's the showrunner of three massive hit shows.
02:00:12
And she's had, but she's had probably six, but like three have been juggernauts.
02:00:17
So, and yeah, there's no question. She's a fucking badass. Insane badass. But then, but I don't know.
02:00:21
Yeah. I don't know. So in this story, she's talking about how she realizes her older sister tells her that
02:00:29
she never says yes to anything. And it's related to she was invited to some party and she was
02:00:35
telling her sister, oh, is this cool party? And their sisters are like, but did you go? And she's
02:00:39
like, well, no, I didn't go. And which of course, from that moment one, I was like, oh, this is me
02:00:45
in a nutshell. And it's like, you're gonna make me go out, aren't you? You're gonna make me do
02:00:48
things. So her sister, the way her sister said, you never use it. You never say yes to anything
02:00:54
bothered her so much. And it's her older sister. She's the youngest. Yeah. That she decided for
02:01:00
one year, she was going to say yes to everything she possibly could. But the way she breaks it down,
02:01:05
I just listen to it. If you feel stuck, or if you feel like your life is smaller than you want it to
02:01:11
be, or if it's big in some ways and tiny and other ways, and like, you're trying to find balance,
02:01:15
but you don't know how to do it. Stop talking about me. Talking about me always.
02:01:21
I can not only talk about myself. No, that sounds like me right now. It's amazing.
02:01:29
And it's also this thing of when you just, she just talks about why she would make these decisions.
02:01:34
And one of the things that blew my mind the most is she talks about how she was, she was not even invited.
02:01:40
She was just told that she would be going to the, those Kennedy Center honors. And she was sitting with the Obamas.
02:01:48
Wow. And she says, the only reason I went is because it wasn't an invitation. So I couldn't say no.
02:01:54
They just told me show up on this night. And that was the beginning of it where she, of course, because she said, I would have said no, I would have figured out a way to get out of it.
02:02:04
And it's this thing that I think working people do. If you're a bit of a workaholic like me, you use the work and the busyness as an excuse to not do the things you love because you go, that's not important.
02:02:16
I'm doing the important shit. and then your life gets filled up with work and no play and you become like a
02:02:23
dried-up old one of those awful peanuts sour in the middle that you bite right fucking into and then it's sour and that it's like the way she talked there's
02:02:34
times where I was just fucking bawling because do you think of it good like knowing me as the person you think it help me yes okay it just because also she crazy smart Yeah And she talks about like the reason she a writer is because she spent a lot of her childhood alone keeping people away and just writing the reality she wanted to be in
02:02:52
And it's really hard to stop doing that, especially if you then go on to be a professional writer.
02:02:57
It's working for you in a lot of ways. So like we are the kind of people like, you know, when you call your own shots, then you're just like, well, I'm I know best because I've gotten myself this far.
02:03:09
Being a workaholic and having a fucking shit ton of anxiety has works right now is like working right now for me.
02:03:16
Yeah. So why would I stop doing that? That's why I why would I like stop and have fucking self care?
02:03:21
Yeah. And she starts talking about like some of the things are like she plays with her kids.
02:03:26
It's like when her kid says, mommy, do you want to play? She sits down and says yes, even though she's on her way out the door to go to a party or
02:03:33
whatever. And how that, the way she judges what has value and what doesn't have value changes
02:03:39
because suddenly she goes, this is my children's lies. Of course I should be there for it.
02:03:44
It's just that kind of stuff. And then, I don't know, everything about it struck so many one million chords for me in
02:03:51
that way. Oh, I told you this part, which was my favorite. she calls laying on the couch eating and watching tv veal practice and it's my favorite thing i've
02:04:02
ever fucking heard i have been in such deep veal practice pretending like i don't care
02:04:08
yeah and that's been a big mistake so anyway it's if you have any of those feelings i highly
02:04:17
recommend i love it she's very smart and she also gave a speech one of her there's a couple speeches
02:04:23
is included that she is given. Like one was a commencement speech at Dartmouth where she went to school, but one was at like
02:04:32
the Hollywood Women's Association of Superstar Women. And there's tons of crazy women.
02:04:37
But she gives this fucking speech because it's like they're saying she broke this glass
02:04:42
ceiling and she starts talking about all the women who tried to break the glass ceiling
02:04:46
and didn't, but slammed up against it and created the tiny cracks. and it i was like fucking sobbing so she was like thank you to all the women are here and
02:04:56
and thank you to all the women who didn't make it here are you kidding me it was it's such a good
02:05:02
it's such a good book and it's such a it's like self-help that actually works yeah while you're
02:05:07
listening to it i listen because i listen to oh i'm listening to it right immediately um that's
02:05:13
That's great, thank you. Oh yeah. Mine I just decided I changing a rule My fucking hurry is gonna be a thing that I wanna do in the next week Okay And I fucking naming it right here because I feel like it the only way I going to get myself to do it I like this
02:05:29
I. Also, can I pitch something? Yeah. That we, this, I really like this idea of like future goals.
02:05:35
Yeah. And we can make up a fun name for it later. But like this maybe should be another thing.
02:05:40
I like it too. I'm just going to go to a yoga class or go to the gym. Good. Because I feel so shitty right now.
02:05:46
I'm bad about myself and I'm not fucking sleeping well. And I know that, and I just don't feel healthy.
02:05:52
And you know, my back, it's all these fucking things that I know will, I will feel better if I start going back to yoga or go to the fucking gym for
02:06:00
even a half an hour, but I just can't get myself to do it. Right. So when next week when we're back here during fucking hooray,
02:06:08
I'll tell you if I've done it or not. What can I say this? What if this is week one yoga challenge?
02:06:13
We both go to a yoga class at some point in the next week so that when we come back, we have to tell each other about it.
02:06:20
I love it. And this is my problem is I'm like, well, one's not enough. It's not going to do anything.
02:06:23
I need to go three times. Like, I'm just like crazy like that. So let's just say we need to go one time.
02:06:28
Let's start small. Okay. Let's high five over it. Yeah. But not with your foot. That wasn't my foot.
02:06:34
Okay, great. I love it. I'm loud with your foot. Everyone let us know if you're fucking joining us for the one time in a week yoga challenge.
02:06:41
And also, I know it's hard to go alone. There's all these reasons. I always say I'm going to go and then I go, I can't show up with this body at yoga.
02:06:49
I know. Don't do that. Just don't do it to yourself. I have to work out first because I'm not in shape enough to go to you.
02:06:54
That's perfectionism ruining your good time. You don't have to be perfect. Just fucking do things.
02:06:59
Please don't have to be perfect because then that means I don't have to be perfect.
02:07:02
And I would really appreciate that right now. Yeah. We also, speaking of if you just want to exercise and feel good, we have, we want to give a shout out to the hashtag I'd look for you and all the incredible murderinos who are part of this movement in honor of our, one of our listeners, Maggie Dykeshorn, who passed away recently while hiking.
02:07:25
and there's going on August 5th, that's the Sunday, there's going to be around the country
02:07:30
now all these fucking hikes dedicated to her and the hashtag I'd look for you. If you go, there's Facebook groups.
02:07:36
If you're not on Facebook, just look up the hashtag and you should be able to find a hike
02:07:41
near you or start one if there's not. Yeah, but there is a map of all the places where hikes are planned around the country
02:07:47
and I cannot believe this map. It's incredible. I can't believe it. There's one right here in Griffith Park this weekend.
02:07:53
Yeah. Really lovely. We just want to, again, I mean, that's such a beautiful thing.
02:07:57
And shout out to Maggie and, you know. And shout out to you guys for I mean there the idea that people are creating real friendships and communities around a podcast It causes yeah And kind of being there for each other and do it
02:08:13
It's not like anybody, you know, people informed us you were doing it, but you're all doing it yourselves.
02:08:19
It's such an inspirational thing to us. Yeah. That you guys get, you get this shit together.
02:08:25
And it's just so nice. Every day, I'm like just blown away. We're blown away that this is our lives and this has happened.
02:08:33
And we're just so appreciative of it. And so thank you guys. We're so blown away that we have to stay on the couch.
02:08:39
No, no, not at all. We have to go to yoga because we said we would. And especially like, you know, with that in mind.
02:08:46
Yeah. With that in mind. Yeah. Like, go outside, move around, take in some other scenery.
02:08:53
Yeah. Do it with a buddy. Yeah. And thanks for listening. You guys are the fucking best.
02:08:59
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