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it's there's no fucking puns no there's no frills oh you're gonna stop doing puns
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absolutely not oh okay i just mean that this moment at the oh right right oh we're gonna
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half sentences that the other person finishes. You know, quirky shit. This is not
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business. This is a business podcast. This is supposed to be a crime podcast. But also comedy. Yeah. Your sister
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listen to her. And you don't like puns. She knows that. So we're not going to do that in the beginning.
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No, they were catering all this to you. Bitchy, bitchy, bitcherman. Ashley Bitterman.
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Oh my god. I went to college with Ashley Bitterman and it sounds like she's not nice but she's one of the nicest
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girls on our dorm floor. I feel so bad for her now like you know like you think she would have
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changed it at some point. You know what she did she tried to do that thing where like it's Bitterman
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and it's like Ashley it's not Bitterman and everyone knows it. And even if it is it doesn't
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matter because we're gonna say Bitterman. We don't care that it's Austrian like it's Bitterman.
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No one believes that you live in that castle from the poster. Ashley with two E's. It's Ashley
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bitcherman. The N is silent. Bitcherman. Bitcherman. Listen, Ashley. This is the part of the podcast.
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Look, bitcherman. Look, bitcherman. This is the part of the podcast that we started just last week.
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We're going to read you some of the names of the subgroups from the Facebook page since
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we shut down the main Facebook page. Everyone's looking for a place to belong. We get that.
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We understand. Why not be very specific about it? That's right. That's what everyone, it seems, according to the list Stephen has printed up for us, everyone's gotten real specific.
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Or join a few and then find the friends in common in those groups, and those are your new best friends.
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Yes, you start a Venn diagram group of the combination of things. Say, for example.
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Here's some of your choices. For example, say that you're in the Facebook group Fear and Murder in Las Vegas, the Las Vegas Murderinos.
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Nice, that's a good one. Mm hmm. Or how about SSDJPS? Say, stay sexy. Don't join a pyramid scheme.
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Oh, that's fun. And incredibly specific. Yeah, I want to read stories of people on pyramid schemes.
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So it must be people that did it. And then they're warning everybody else. Like, this is what you need to keep an eye out for.
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Here's how it happened. Yeah. Super into pyramid schemes. Yeah. Personally. How about, and then you're also into, say you're really into HGTV.
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Yeah. As for me, for example. And so you're also on my favorite open concept kitchen.
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love it what about the nailed arenos they just love nails fingernails like fingernails fingers
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and faces but just the fingers and also you love the tv show 30 rock so you're in the 30 rock arenos
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sure it goes how about who do i have to kill to get a date this it's a singles murderino page
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that's cute um what about my favorite sensory deprivation tank listen we're getting specific
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Is that real? I swear to God. It's right there. That's amazing. Yes. Well, then how about my favorite vegans?
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Great. I mean, I'm going vegan next week. Are you really scared of it What the plan What the idea One of those like I don know I just trying to be healthy okay how about murderinos working in veterinary medicine in some capacity whether you a tech
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receptionist vet kennel help whatever that's the whole name of it so catchy so catchy how about my
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favorite ashley right that's the thing right and the yeah and you can't i was like so steven is it
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just all girls named ashley or people named ashley or what's the actual and he's like i don't know i
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have to join in. I'm not named Ashley. So I don't know. We think it's just Ashley, Ashley. Can I end it by
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reading you this quick little note that we got in our email? It's called Swingarinos.
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That's right. No, that's wrong. Karen, Georgia, Stephen, Petz, after listening about the granny
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swinging in your last mini-sode and the MFM subgroups in Facebook in your most full, recent full episode.
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No, I love it. Go ahead. It's great. Please say it's swing dancing. I thought I might as well let you guys know that
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while there isn't a public Facebook group, because swingers have their own websites
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to better protect privacy, there is definitely a swing arena subgroup of, well, swingers. Swinging is
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big where I'm from. Utah, Mormons get real bored. Wow! And while it keeps, and while it's kept
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mostly hush-hush, when you do get into the community, you meet some pretty interesting characters.
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Yeah, I bet. Not only are many of Utah's politicians and lawyers swingers, but many
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murderinos are too. I'm not involved in the swinging community anymore, but I have
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friends that are and once they saw a recent instagram post of mine about loving your show
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i laughed my ass off when they told me about a recent swing arena meetup night i didn't think i
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need to explain what happens let i don't think i need to explain how let's just say it's not like
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paint night so even though it's definitely a little weird and a little taboo just thought
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you guys would like to know how far your reach goes thank you guys for everything you do monday
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and tuesday mornings nope monday and thursday mornings are my favorite days of the week now
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thanks to your show ssdgma i love it do you tell me everything did you ever see that swingers
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documentary um i think people get ideas in their head about like i'm watching a movie and therefore
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when we talk about swingers it's going to be movie bodies and movie people and it's truly like if you
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walk through costco and everybody in the detergent aisle started fucking that's what it looks like
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It's weird. There might be one good-looking person in the detergent aisle. Absolutely.
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But most of them. But then they're in around seven other greased-up bodies, and I think it takes away from the allure and the attractiveness.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, sorry, I just, look, no judgments, do whatever you want.
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We talked about no kink-shaming, bloody blue. But this documentary that I saw, I think it's called American Something.
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and truly these documentarians are so genius because they just they really captured the
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minutiae so there's like there's a table of casseroles that are no yeah you bring a hot
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dish beforehand and they lay down that tarp steven showing steven found karen steven wants
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karen to get the name right um is it it is it american swing it might be no no no it's the
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lifestyle okay it's the lifestyle from 1999 and 99 yeah a banner year for swingers i just remember
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watching it on um hbo's real sex year for swingers you're right that's like when the real sex thing
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where people started going oh other people are into this too yeah maybe i shouldn't be yeah
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i just think it's like you i i the first thing you go to is like a 50 shades kind of like
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christian gray is waiting for me and then the world of taboo sex but i think it's i don't know
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well how would i know whatever i think it is i just base it on the documentary i saw and then
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it's just like it's like retirees in the oc in a house it's like same with nudist colonies where
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it's just like no that you don't see lots of like pert titties you see like lots of balls
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yeah it's like old man balls people who are like yeah i don't give a fuck yeah yeah so god bless
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yeah that's a lot so what that's it i guess we have to start making shirts swing arenas no pert titties welcome
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i shamed you into it i brought you down to my catholic shame area thank you it's comfy here
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what do you got oh i wanted to say that um in the fan cult this month our live show episode
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that we're doing exclusively for the fan cult that we put up is from last year. It's from Detroit.
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Yeah. Karen, you did the parrot murder. Right. Guy. Yeah. And I did the Robeson family cabin murders.
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And that's up there. It was a great show. Yeah. It was a really fun show. And yeah.
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So check that out. Yeah. If you join the fan cult, there's all these perks. And we're basically trying to figure out what are the things that people have asked us for
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that they really want? Because, of course, on social media, we hear all the time of like,
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where's the show I went to and why are you always screwing me over? And it's like, well, we just can't always post like live shows or like, you know, we
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save those and we put them up when we need to go on vacation or whatever. And so we can't, we have so many live shows and we've toured so much that we like try
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to piece them out. And then it's like, oh, well, if people really want that and they want to pay a little extra
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and get into this little fan cult, then that's where we're going to start posting things.
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That's right. And we're also about to leave on our fucking tour, our fall tour. So we'll be posting videos from backstage.
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Yeah. Every week we're posting unboxing videos of like amazing gifts that people have been giving us.
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So yeah. We're going to and there's much more stuff planned for the fan cult too.
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Like when we just did our mini-sode that we did in conjunction with the movie Searching.
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And then the searching people gave us, Sony gave us a bunch of free tickets to searching for the fan cult members.
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So there tons of perks and they building by the day By the minute I guess I thought I didn have anything but I realized is I really I just want to pitch you pyramid scheme style about joining the fan cult
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What about the fan cult? It was a pyramid scheme. That would be great. It's a food pyramid scheme, though.
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We're just getting everyone fat. It's all about wheat bread. Just like the benefits of wheat bread.
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And I'm pitching my veganism food pyramid scheme. Right. And I'm pitching all pro-gluten.
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I'm just like, guys, the new diet is to overstuff yourself with gluten. Do it. It's about inflammation.
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Just targeted inflammation. The beauty of targeted inflammation. You don't need fillers.
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You just need to eat gluten. That's right. Swell it up. That's a quickie. Should we start?
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I know. We usually have so many other things to talk about. Because usually we've been taking a week off in between, so there's so much going on.
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I mean, I guess I could do a corrections corner about my SARS guard and scars guard.
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you know confusion a couple weeks ago i had but everyone knows that by now okay i was wrong about
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that did you know that mm-hmm oh yeah oh i'm right there on the twitter all the time i read it all
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as it comes in i haven't been on twitter in like like a few weeks now oh we miss you a lot thank
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you god that's yeah we talk about it as long as you miss me i'm not coming back okay that's perfect
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right let's forget me yeah there's i mean it's british what are you gonna say are you gonna be
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mean what are you gonna say no not to you i was about to say something about twitter but i said
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pritter then i just started going like is this where it ends is this where is this the part where
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my brain slides out of my ear and it's all over um i was actually trying to think of i was trying
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to think of something i watched on tv like i'm excited because once again it's sinner night
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no it's over oh no wait that's sorry i'm thinking of a different show have you been binging lots of stuff no yeah i was thinking of um uh what's the one with amy adams
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oh a sharp object yeah that ended thank you for letting me know that there's like there's
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something in the end credits which i didn't realize i would love to talk about the people
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who made that decision to talk to them about that decision because it's odd that they buried
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a key element of the plot in the end credits. Well, what I like, when I read a bunch of shit about it,
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what someone theorized basically is that the whole show is from like Amy Adams' perspective,
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her character's perspective. Right. So they can't put this end part that's from this,
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from Amma's perspective. So they like put it in there because it's suddenly like,
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we're out of Amy Adams' character's world. Okay. We're suddenly in this crazy other world.
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That makes sense, except for how many people that just the second the show's over you don't most people don't get
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through the first page of credits and it's like off and you're on to the next thing i missed it
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you told me about it i was like holy shit i forgot about that and someone told me again the next night
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about it like oh my god that's right and then i watched it i wonder maybe that's what they were
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thinking is the excitement of word of mouth yeah yeah so just know that like you know 30 seconds
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into the end credits after the very last scene, which is like my favorite scene of the whole show.
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Both of those girls, those women's faces deserve fucking Emmys. Yeah, it's so good.
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Just the look on their faces is so good. Then there's just this like little, you know, clip.
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There's a key snippet. So good. It's crucial, and yet it's buried. Yeah. Very interesting.
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Yeah. But that was a good show. Yeah. I don't think we talked about it that much
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because we watched it at different times. Yeah, I think it was good as a whole. right well you know than like episode by episode you know what it is i felt for me my friend jason
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who i talked about a lot on the show but i've known him since we worked at the gap together
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in san francisco when we were 20 um and uh he started it after me and he was in the pie he was
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in the first episode and he was just like why is everyone talking about the show i don't know and
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whatever and i said i understand i said i understand you get through the pilot and you'll
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And you will understand you don't like it because you had alcoholics in your family.
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And then he got through and he was like, oh, my God, that's exactly what it was.
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He was starting to get anxious because of all the drinking and what it felt like.
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There was a build. And there's so much guilt going on. There's so much bad vibes and bad family shit and drinking issues that if you were familiar with them at all, you just go like, I can't do this.
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And problems that are like buried by their alcoholism. alcoholism yep and actually i was saying to you last week or like the other day that like
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i've stopped drinking as much and i it hit me that maybe it's because of that show sure fucking
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vodka in a smart water bottle like every time warm daytime or evian like the minute i like i
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could taste it when she would swig it yeah and i could just kept looking at her and being like oh
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my god you'd be so much less puffy stop it well and the thing of i felt like there was a lack a
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tiny tiny lack of realism in that if you drank all day around seven something really fucked up
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would happen where i kept waiting for like okay this is the part where she's gonna hit a kid on
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a bike everyone's driving drunk everyone's driving drunk and everyone's talking all the time drunk
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yeah so it's like there should be more fighting there'd be like open hand face slaps and stuff
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like what's more whispering lots more whispering so many more so many more secrets there are secrets
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but like the secrets would be told. Here's the thing. There would be no secrets in town.
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First of all, I love that shirt. It's a long sleeve. I love it. Anyhow, can I tell you something?
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Remember high school? I like... Spoiler alert. Oh, shit. No, it's not a spoiler,
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but it would be very, yeah. It just made me be like, well, I'm clearly not as good
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of an alcoholic as these people are, so I should just stop drinking as much. So I've stopped drinking as much.
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So I would actually like to thank that show for that Good and keep coming back It really works No but I totally get it because it is it a real mirror
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You know, the part that got me is she kept going to the same store with the same guy
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buying where there is a part of that. I remember doing that in San Francisco would be the same guy and I'd be like cigarettes,
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beer, cigarettes, beer. And I became very indignant about it where it's like, I'm fucking doing it and you can't
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keep me from doing it. It's like, he doesn't want you to stop doing it. He's making money off you.
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But he's still looking at you with pity in his eyes. Well, wouldn't he like sometimes,
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wouldn't you go to a different store every day, like for three days? Not in a tiny town. Oh,
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yeah. Not in a fucking wherever they were, Missouri. Yeah. Or wherever they were. Oh,
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man. It did make me happy to be from fucking, bless it all, Orange County for the first time
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in my life. Bless it all. Oh, man. I was like, thank God I'm not from Wind Gap. Oof. Wind Gap.
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also though when when that cop first shows up i was just like dude not uh oh you're saying the
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hottest cop in america shows up to but he's from kansas city i know he's like out of state cop but
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still it's like so they send this is their expert from kansas city who happens to be like captain
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hot bod get out of here i mean it's tv he did he was like get me out of here he was like i need to
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get out of here oh she's crazy yeah i did although i spoiler alert yeah it's so far past yeah um but
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there was a couple great like them talking in the bar was like that's the upside of alcoholism where
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god damn i miss just like you're clever and you're quick oh and you love yourself and you're just
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kind of like get onto this train everything's kind of sexy yeah and messy sloppy little slutty
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sexy half tit out make out out front of the bar get up on that fucking pool table get on it
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what am I talking about wait no I am into swinging now that you know what now that we've talked
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through this I am so into swinging in a bar from a pool table fucking chandelier with some locals
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that's not what they meant Karen just like oh it's not about swings oh then I like it's not
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about swinging from a chandelier. It's about love. It's about weighing out. True love.
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Okay. Patricia Clarkson is one of the greatest. Amy Adams, first of all, is one of the greatest actresses.
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She is so gorgeous. She played a Disney princess realistically. Like, you can't scratch her.
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And I think she's one of those people that gets ignored because she's so good. I'd just like to cite that.
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Patricia Clarkson is unbelievable. She was so good in this that I hated her. I hated her.
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I'll hate her forever because she was so good at this character. And I hated that kitchen.
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Anytime they went near that kitchen. There's lots of things that's so realistic of walking by a doorway and someone like,
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well, it looks like you're back home. And you're like in the doorway. Like, fuck, they called me in the doorway.
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Like the sound of the fucking screen door smacking closed when you came home in the morning.
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Kind of a thing. Oh, I had one of those. Okay. Great show. Good job, everybody. Great job, everyone.
00:21:06
So, yeah, we did have stuff to talk about. Ashley, we thought we had nothing to talk about.
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But look at us. We have so much to talk about. I also have been watching a show called Your Worst Nightmare, which does tie into mine this week.
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But it's an ID channel show that's just like, you know, one of the many. They figured out all the different ways to categorize true crime.
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So it's like crazy women, mean women, black widows, whatever. There's all those.
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But this one is Your Worst Nightmare. And it's really perfect because it's basically that theme of what's the creepiest way a true crime murder could happen.
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Right. That's just what I need. Yeah. Really good to watch alone at night when the wind's blowing.
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Great. I did that to myself one night where I was like, what am I doing? Does the wind blow here?
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Oh, there was a earthquake. Probably not, but there was. Maybe it was just the bad vibes blowing.
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There was a cat in the tree. Shaking the tree outside. Something made one noise and then I went, what am I doing?
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What am I doing? Well, Vince was out of town over the weekend. So I was like, well, this is going to get ugly.
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You know, like we're going to have fun, Georgia. And yeah, I did. I watched the new It with the scars, SARS guard.
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A SARS guard or a scars? One of them. I don't care. Yes, the clown is a scars guard.
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Steven? He's the hot one from Castle Rock. What? who's not related to Peter Skarsgård.
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The one in it is Bill Skarsgård. Right. With a K? Castle Rock. Okay. Skarsgård sounds like how I would say Skarsgård when I'm shit-faced.
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So I can't help you. Anytime you run into any of those men, you can be like, Hi, Skarsgård.
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And it'll be right. As long as you do the drunk voice. And then their security will take you away from them.
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I like the idea that they travel in packs, no matter if they're related or not. If it's a SARS or Skarsgård, they're together.
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They're in one black SUV. It's weird. In their yearbook, they didn't even go to high school together, but they're next to each other in the yearbook.
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They didn't even go to high school. Same high school. No. Same year. Nothing. Different countries.
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Doesn't matter. And there are senior quotes to say, this guy. I'm not him. I'm not a Skarsgård.
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I'm a Skarsgård. That's not me, motherfucker. Ow. Okay. I think I go first this week.
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Yes. That's right. I've got the official nod from Steven. Steven, silent as a mouse over there.
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Highly professional. He's basically a scars guard. Steven scars guarding around over there like a clown in a rain gutter.
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I was like, no, at this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the
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listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that deeply emotionally affected me.
00:25:59
And I left it on the mic. That's great. Because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end.
00:26:05
It's like, yeah, dude, me too. Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:26:16
Okay, so last week with Boys in the Tracks, it was so much fun with the conspiracy theory elements of it that I love so much.
00:26:22
So I put into Gluogle, Gluogle. What if I had like 99 cents for a brand Google called Gluogle?
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Sponsored by Ulmer's Glue. Gluogle, we'll help you look stuff up. we don't really know that much we're sorry your fingers are stuck on the keyboard now
00:26:39
stop eating that glue georgia that's for kindergartners only glugel um glugel let's see here
00:26:47
okay so i looked up like what like more murders with conspiracy theories and i got uh fucking
00:26:53
got hip to this one that i've actually wanted to do not because of this but like i then found out
00:26:59
it had these like conspiracy angles so here's what i've wanted to do at the end we're gonna
00:27:04
to get into conspiracy town beautiful um but in the meantime this is the murder of british
00:27:11
broadcaster and newsreader beloved beloved jill dando okay all right never heard of it okay great
00:27:19
i hadn't heard of it either till it was like some like late night e you know 10 shocking
00:27:25
famous people murders right this is one of them okay so so let me tell you about jill would you
00:27:31
Jill Dando was born on November 9th, 1961 in West Supermar, Somerset. That's a place.
00:27:38
She was smart, well liked, and is even voted head girl at her sixth form college.
00:27:46
Okay. She's popular and sweet and lovely. Got it. Let me give you an image of what she looked like as an adult, just so you haven't like
00:27:52
in your head what she was like. She was like a cross between. So she becomes a journalist.
00:27:55
I'll tell you all about it. But just so you have it in your head. She's a cross between like Diane Sawyer and Lady Diana.
00:28:02
Okay. So she's this lovely, pretty, blonde, British, smart, kind-faced news anchor.
00:28:09
Got it. But anyways, let's go back. At 17, she got her first job as a trainee reporter for the local weekly newspaper,
00:28:16
the Westin Mercury, where her father and brother worked. So she'd always wanted to be a journalist.
00:28:20
She studied journalism at South Glamorgan Institute of Higher Education in Cardiff.
00:28:27
After five years as a print journalist, she started to work for the BBC. She becomes a newsreader, which is just what we call it.
00:28:34
Newscaster. For BBC Radio Devon in 1985. She transfers to BBC Southwest. She presented a regional news program with an E at the end of it.
00:28:44
and then in early 1988 she moved from regional to national television in London to present BBC's
00:28:53
breakfast news so she becomes like the morning anchor essentially got it and so she's like her
00:28:57
fucking star is rising you know and she's like in it with her new job she moves to London and she
00:29:02
quickly becomes a household name in the BBC national news uh you know operation sure her
00:29:09
warmth and professionalism endeared her to millions uh she's best known for hit shows like
00:29:14
holiday where she fucking just goes on holidays smart dude take take that job and give it to me
00:29:20
and also a show called antiques inspector which i'm like also i want that job how cool is that
00:29:26
this is uh before the road show starts where you have to look through shit i think it's essentially antiques road show but uh like original so she's inspecting shit
00:29:35
did you just make that up no i swear i think that's what the show is like and then in 1995 she's because you basically just said it's just antiques but she inspects
00:29:46
shit well it's like anti-trop show i could have told you that i could have gleaned that
00:29:52
oh oh i didn even i thought she was like inspector morris you know and she i get it no yeah and then in 1995 she hired us So there a show called Crime Watch that been on since 1984
00:30:06
It's this huge show. I think it's kind of like how we had The Current Affair. It's like the nightly news of current crime profiles and shit.
00:30:16
Dateline. Dateline. A dateline? Yeah. Yeah, but like, yes. Dateline-y Current Affair type of thing.
00:30:22
okay so uh when it starts in 1984 by 1995 when she gets hired for it she's only the second co-presenter
00:30:29
of the series so like it's a big fucking deal to get this job got it she it reconstructs major
00:30:34
unsolved crimes in order to get new leads from the public to self to help solve them so almost
00:30:40
like a fancier or like a more official unsolved mystery yeah yeah like but like a newsy time got
00:30:46
it so she's fucking household name now huge and there's there is something about her and you should
00:30:50
just like watch a clip online where her face her eyes are just so kind she has this beautiful bright
00:30:56
open smile she's kind of self-effacing is that right self-deprecating like she just seems like
00:31:02
a really kind but very intelligent person someone that like if you get stuck let's say you get stuck
00:31:08
in an elevator with on an earth in an earthquake you'd be like this chick's got this taken care of
00:31:11
like she just seems to uh embody this confidence but it's you know kindness too got it she just
00:31:20
seems like a good person. And everyone fucking says she is. So 1997, she's awarded the BBC
00:31:25
personality of the year. Okay, so she's big time. Then in 1997, in December, she's set up on a blind
00:31:32
date by a mutual friend with a dude named Alan Farthing. They fall in love. He and I think this
00:31:39
is how the friend knew him is a gynecologist. Okay, that's awkward that your friend is like,
00:31:44
you've got to meet my gynecologist. True. You know what I mean? Yeah. But he seems like a nice guy
00:31:49
That are very free and liberal with their bodies. Yeah. And you know what? There's some people that are gynecologists.
00:31:54
That's right. Thank God. Otherwise. There's all types of people make up this world.
00:32:00
You know, swingers, gynecologists. Yes. That's the whole range. Friends of the two.
00:32:05
And then friends. Right. I just love the idea that you just described this woman who seems so ideal in every way.
00:32:11
She still has to get set up on blind dates. Yes. Isn't that always the way? Yeah.
00:32:15
And she was like, they're like, she dated this person, dated that person. And of course, it's like in the papers, like in the, you know, what are they, tabloids?
00:32:21
Like she's dating Jill Dandoz, dating this guy, dating that guy. And so she's still just like, I can't find anyone, you know, and she's like 37 at this
00:32:26
point and still has to be fucking set up. Yeah. Which is like, guys, that's just how it goes.
00:32:30
It's okay. She put her career first. Yeah. And it worked out. Sure. Good for her.
00:32:35
Alan, he seems like a nice guy. They fall in love and they announced their engage in January of 1999.
00:32:41
Nice. Everything's going great for her. She's 37. She's at the pinnacle of her career.
00:32:45
She's one of the most high-profile TV presenters in the country. And her life seemed to be on this great track when out of the blue, she's murdered.
00:32:54
Okay. Here we go. I know. It sucks. On April 26, 1999, it's a rare day off for Jill.
00:33:04
She wakes up at Alan's house. She doesn't live there officially. Her house is on the market, but she stays most nights with Alan.
00:33:11
and he lives in Chiswick, which is in London. And she left around 7 or 8 to run some errands.
00:33:21
She fills up her gas tank. She goes to the market. And of course, in London, there's CCTV footage everywhere
00:33:26
so they can kind of track where she goes. And then she heads back to her house around 1130 in the morning
00:33:31
to grab some crap. Parks her car on the street, which I'm sure I was thinking about.
00:33:34
Like, even when you're a fucking famous newscaster, you don't have parking in London.
00:33:38
That's just how life is. They just don't have it. It sucks. And then she walks towards her front door of her little Victorian terraced home.
00:33:47
So it's essentially just like, you know, a block of these cute British houses. It's like this little two-story Victorian era with a little gate at the front, a tiny little front patio yard kind of thing.
00:33:57
Yeah. So 15 minutes later, a passing neighbor named Helen Doble, who was on, she was friendly with Jill.
00:34:05
She saw Jill's car was there. So she's walking by Jill's house and she like looks over to be like, what's up?
00:34:09
How are you? Whatever. So she looks over and into Jill's yard as she's passing by and notices that up at the walkway by the door, Jill is slumped against her doorframe and Helen sees blood pooling around her.
00:34:23
And Helen notices so much blood that initially she thought Jill had been stabbed.
00:34:28
And based on what she could see, which wasn't too far up the walkway, she concludes that Jill's already dead.
00:34:33
Whoa. So she does. She must be into fucking true crime because she's like, I don't want to disturb the crime scene.
00:34:39
Yeah. She sees that the gate is closed, which she knows is weird. And so she doesn't go in.
00:34:44
She calls emergency services right away, lets them know what's going on, lets them know who the victim is.
00:34:50
Police arrive at the scene soon after, and Jill's body is airlifted to the hospital.
00:34:56
So it's determined that Jill, so she had walked up her walkway and reaches into her bag to grab her house keys,
00:35:04
when at that moment someone approaches her from behind, forces her to her knees,
00:35:09
and shot a single bullet at her left temple just behind her ear, execution style,
00:35:15
in broad fucking daylight. It's 1130 in the morning in this busy neighborhood. Execution style shoots one of the most famous newscasters
00:35:25
in London, or England, excuse me. Jill Dando is officially pronounced dead at 103 p.m.
00:35:33
Wow. So forensic investigators swept the scene for evidence. They didn't find anything except for a single bullet casing.
00:35:39
It was the type that came from a rare 9mm semi-automatic Browning pistol. And due to the strange nature of the casing, it had like some scratches and some weird stuff on it.
00:35:49
Investigators thought the killer had like fucked with the gun to make it different somehow But the gun was never found And that they had made the gun altered the gun specifically for that murder so whatever what followed is one of the largest and most expensive
00:36:06
police investigations ever to take place in britain so jill danda's neighbor richard hughes
00:36:13
so they had no forensic evidence at all the only thing they can do is get eyewitness evidence they
00:36:18
or testimony, the neighbor Richard Hughes described how he, so he had heard a woman scream,
00:36:25
but he said it sounded more like the woman had been surprised, not scared. He said he looked out his bedroom window and saw a man between 30 and 40 years old
00:36:35
and an average height moving briskly towards Fulham Palace Road. And CCTV footage shows a speeding blue Range Rover right after the murder.
00:36:45
and a similar car scene parked illegally on jill street that morning there's also a photo of a
00:36:51
well-dressed man sweating at a bus stop on his cell phone near the murder scene shortly after
00:36:56
the shooting as well but outside of these sightings which are so random and might have nothing to
00:37:00
fucking do with the murder right um police aren't able to find any other reliable eyewitness accounts
00:37:05
so jill's death of course sends shockwaves through the nation um she had been dubbed british tv's
00:37:12
golden girl and so her high profile murder which seemed to them to them at that point execution
00:37:18
style um populated the papers for months the police named her the search for her uh killer
00:37:25
operation oxborough and it was the metropolitan police's largest criminal investigation since the
00:37:31
yorkshire ripper which you had done right and that was in the 80s i don't think i did that did you
00:37:37
led by Chief Inspector Hamish Campbell. So no murder weapon, no motive, no white witnesses.
00:37:46
Police, of course, faced mounting pressure. And over the course of the inquiry, over 2,000 people were named as Jill Dando's killer
00:37:54
from anonymous tip lines. Within six months of her death, more than 2,500 people had been spoken to
00:38:00
and police had taken more than 1,000 statements. Investigators even used her own show, Crime Watch,
00:38:07
to try to get information on her murder. Wow. I know. Which produced hundreds of phone calls, but none that produced any helpful leads.
00:38:15
So police meticulously looked at 191 CCTV videos, only to find that no one followed Jill that day.
00:38:24
So they looked at every place she had gone to. They looked at her when she got home.
00:38:27
No one followed her up the walkway. No one followed her. There wasn't the same person at all the locations she had been to.
00:38:33
Right. So police then scrutinized her fans looking for someone with an unhealthy interest in her.
00:38:38
But out of the 4,000 of her fans that they looked into, they found 150 who seemed to have an unhealthy interest in her.
00:38:46
And they said only found 150. I'm like, that's fucking too many of people to have an unhealthy interest in someone.
00:38:52
They discovered one fan was running her BT account, which I think is her British telecommunications account.
00:38:58
So like her phone account, which meant that they could look into Jill's phone calls and phone numbers.
00:39:04
And they also found somebody who had 150 pictures of her on his computer. And then one guy who tried to take over her utility bills.
00:39:12
But none of these people they thought showed that their interest was more than a fantasy or fixation.
00:39:18
The utility bills thing is a bit odd. It is weird. I don't know really what that like they were trying to pay them or they were trying to like get access to them.
00:39:25
I don't know. Yeah. To see when she's home. Well, to know when her lights are on and when she's home and not home, maybe.
00:39:31
I don't know. Or just maybe it's just a random, like, crazy concept. Like, someone's so out of it that they're just, it only makes sense to them.
00:39:39
It's so weird to me, and I'm sure this was weird to them, too, is that, like, if she's just stopping by to pick some stuff up, then they don't know when she's going to be home.
00:39:48
Right. In my mind, my first thought would be like, well, this is like an intruder who got caught or like a guy who was trying to be a peeping Tom who randomly got caught because he didn't know she wasn't home or wouldn't, you know, would be coming home randomly or didn't think she'd be coming at all, was going to break in.
00:40:03
Who knows, right? Yeah. So about a month in the investigation, the police come across a name that piqued their interest.
00:40:10
It's a guy who lived half a mile from Jill's house. his name was Barry George and he had emerged as a suspect because he had been agitated on the day
00:40:19
of the crime when discussing his problems with his GP and his housing association so like a couple
00:40:25
people were like he came in that day and he was acting fucking weird and you know called him in
00:40:31
so police look into him and they find that in 1983 he had pled guilty to attempting to rape a woman
00:40:38
and there was a note in his file that he'd been arrested on the grounds of the royal palaces
00:40:43
where Prince Charles and Princess Diana were living. Whoa. And when he was arrested, it was because he looked suspicious because he was wearing camo
00:40:51
and he had a length of rope and a knife tied around his shoulders, which sounds fucking suspicious.
00:40:55
Yeah, I mean, that's beyond suspicious and aggressive. Yeah, definitely. It's not even hidden or anything.
00:41:02
Wow. So Barry George had many aliases under the name Barry Bulsara. he claimed that he was the cousin of queen singer freddie mercury and he was obsessed with freddie
00:41:11
mercury um he got convicted for several offenses under some of these other aliases he had he had
00:41:17
used uh so that meant that like when the detectives looked into this guy barry george they didn't
00:41:22
realize that this other guy barry bolsara had uh issues too so they didn't put it together at first
00:41:28
who he was so weird that there was a time where you could have like a fake identity and get
00:41:33
prosecuted under a fake identity and they don't find out totally that's that's some 80s shit right
00:41:40
there that's 99 though oh i thought it was yeah well i guess yeah it was in the 80s but
00:41:44
yeah i mean who knows if that still happens though so i don't think so i have everything
00:41:50
those computers i know but what if they not like what if you have legit docs that show who you are and you give a different one every time but how would you get those i don know i don i don know either let send steven to the dmv see if we can get him to get a fake
00:42:06
id and set up a whole po box it just feels like that's the the place where fake ids and like fake
00:42:14
identities should stop is at the police department that's that's where all that should be uncovered
00:42:19
lots of stuff should stop there yeah one would help one would cross their fingers tightly
00:42:25
um so so he's known in the area for wandering around the streets he's kind of like a local
00:42:31
like a known like weirdo um a local taxi uh firm had also called the police right after the shooting
00:42:38
to say that they were concerned about a man who kept coming in and he seemed to be constructing
00:42:42
an alibi being like i was here right or like give me a ride i was here oh police then found that he
00:42:47
had a history of following and photographing women when they searched his house they found a
00:42:51
bunch of uh and uh what's it called with the film roles undeveloped uh-huh they tallied that he was
00:42:59
he had been stalking over 480 women at the time whoa so just like taking photos of women and like
00:43:05
just stalking that's so many that's so many and like of course at the time there weren't
00:43:10
stalking laws it's not it's not how it is today should have been how it was 50 years ago so we're
00:43:16
still behind yeah but at that time there was none you know right at that point if you're stalking
00:43:22
480 women how can they tell doesn't it just seem like you're taking pictures of women it's like but
00:43:28
i mean that's how intense it must have been totally i mean yeah it's crazy and um the inquiry
00:43:35
also revealed that he had an interest in firearms not that he owned any but that he was like
00:43:39
fucking gun nut here are my you know the movie i mean the tv show spaced simon peg yeah yeah it's like one of my favorite absolute favorite shows but the
00:43:47
his best friend simon peg's best friend in it yeah if you watch that it's who that reminds me of
00:43:52
but not a nice guy that guy's a lovely angel what's his name um okay so it's the guy that's
00:43:58
in all the simon peg movies yeah yeah what's his i love okay see him i'll get it steven nick frost
00:44:03
thank you oh my god sorry nick frost nick frost in spaced but a creep nick frost also has a really
00:44:10
awesome um like futuristic outer space show that's hilarious that has the tall girl that we've
00:44:17
talked about and now it's we're just like naming random trying to describe british actors it's not
00:44:23
it's not a good road to go down that's your favorite hobby though okay um okay so over a
00:44:31
year after jill's murder when they finally put it together that this is the same guy um police are
00:44:36
confident that they had strong enough evidence to arrest barry george and they get a warrant to
00:44:40
search his house. They find his flat is stacked to the ceilings with newspapers. He's like a hoarder.
00:44:46
So to some people, it's like, yeah, he had some like newspapers with Jill Dando's death in them.
00:44:51
So it's like, oh my god, why did he have that? But others are like, well, he just fucking didn't
00:44:55
get rid of newspapers. Yeah, he kept all the newspapers. Right. So it didn't seem like,
00:44:59
you know, people like us were like, he didn't do it. It's like, well, you know. But there wasn't
00:45:06
any evidence of him having an obsession with jill there was no creepy murder shrines and all this
00:45:11
shit the neighbor right next who lived next door who had heard the scream and looked out the window
00:45:17
and right across the street who had both seen someone departing from the gate neither of them
00:45:22
are able to id barry in a lineup in fact they each picked a different person for the id which is not
00:45:27
good right no it's great for barry it's great for barry however forensics finally get a breakthrough
00:45:33
So they had gone through his house. They had collected all the shit. They had taken it from his house to a photography studio to photograph the evidence, which is weird.
00:45:43
That's not what they usually do. Like they didn't have a police photographer. Yeah, on the scene.
00:45:49
They had taken it out to a different location, which I think now we know is chain of evidence.
00:45:55
That's an easy way to just contaminate, to discredit for the defense to discredit and debunk it.
00:46:00
Right. so they get a breakthrough they had found a very small amount of firearm discharge in the pocket
00:46:07
of a coat that they had taken into custody and it was the coat that that barry george himself said
00:46:12
that he was wearing the day of the murder okay so they take that coat in they get it forensically
00:46:17
fucking whatever they find this little bit of uh firearm discharge it was a half of one thousandth
00:46:23
that one thousandth of an inch that they found okay that's hardly any so the chemical composition
00:46:29
matched that of the bullet that killed Jill Dando. Oh. But they also find a single fiber on the crime scene
00:46:35
that matched a pair of trousers that Barry George owned as well. So with this information alone, they're like, great.
00:46:42
And on May 29, 2000, Barry George was formally charged with the murder. So the trial became one of the most controversial cases
00:46:51
in British criminal history. Of course, George Barry, Barry George pleads not guilty.
00:46:57
It's hard. It's hard, you know. With those two first names. I mean, yeah. And one of them is kind of my name, and I just want to say it first.
00:47:05
He pleads not guilty, of course. He's accompanied by a psychiatrist during the trial to help him follow the case because he suffers from serious epilepsy.
00:47:15
And he had... She just pointed at me. You know. Your kind. One of you. Well, I thought maybe you could attest to how hard it is to follow your own trial.
00:47:24
Is that true? I've had a terrible time about at least four different times. Out of 10.
00:47:31
True or false? Okay. Annie had difficulties concentrating because it's found later that his IQ is in the mid-70s.
00:47:38
Same. What if I pointed at you? Mid-70s. You know how that is. So, like, he definitely had ADHD.
00:47:50
It's possible that he had Asperger's, but his IQ is also really low. and he suffered from epilepsy.
00:47:56
So he had all these issues, making it hard for him to kind of understand what was going on.
00:48:01
And that's why they wouldn't let him testify because he would have incriminated himself
00:48:04
probably because he didn't understand the severity of the circumstances. Right. So.
00:48:10
Hold for a large plane. Regarding this flimsy forensics evidence, you know, the defense argues that the jacket,
00:48:19
so the jacket had been removed from its protective bag, had been placed upon a work surface
00:48:23
in the photographic studio. And the photographic studio, this is all I could find about it, that it housed ammunition.
00:48:32
What? Yeah. So you're like, don't take it there. Yeah, that's an odd combination.
00:48:38
So maybe it was just like, it was like, perhaps it was the studio that they used for evidence to photograph it there,
00:48:44
but that means that ammunition would have come in and out of it. Right, if it's a police photography studio or whatever.
00:48:50
Exactly. Which is why the hell do you have that? Which is why you don't do it there.
00:48:54
You do it, yeah. So items found at the crime scene, such as the bullet and cartridge, as well as Jill Dando's front door, which is where the bullet hit after passing through her head, were photographed in the studio.
00:49:08
So the bullet and everything was photographed there. Then they brought the jacket and they're like, oh, look.
00:49:13
And then they found one one thousandth of a person. But inside a pocket, which is weird, too.
00:49:18
Right. But so it's probably on the Q-tip or whatever the fuck they use. Yeah. I mean, it's highly contaminated.
00:49:24
it like that's just crazy it's like should be thrown out the evidence should be thrown out
00:49:29
immediately which i think the defense tried to do and you know i think that there was such fervor
00:49:34
over getting this case solved that it was it was one of those profile right that it could be it was
00:49:39
one of those you motherfuckers better catch this guy this is insane this beloved person you know
00:49:44
so they went with what they had um the search team who recovered the jacket had not worn forensic
00:49:49
clothing while searching George's flat. One of the officers who was present who had handled the
00:49:55
jacket had handled ammunition while wearing the same clothing that he had on then. So, he probably
00:49:59
put his fucking hand in the pocket. Right. Yeah. But guess what? He was found guilty. That's right.
00:50:05
Yeah. And on July 2nd, 2001, he's sentenced to life in prison. So, for years after his conviction,
00:50:13
though, people campaigned for Barry George's freedom because they felt like he had been
00:50:16
taken advantage of due to his mental illness and his mental capacities. Yeah, because if you pull back a little bit, it really does seem like, oh, they just got
00:50:25
the irritating guy that was overtly mentally ill walking around the street. Yeah, who did sexually assault.
00:50:32
Like, you can't argue that. Like, he has a bad past. There's some serious issues, but it's like so convenient that that's the guy.
00:50:39
And listen, maybe it fucking was him, but you can't take someone to court based on this
00:50:45
stuff, you know? Well, just, you know, from my professional stances, having done 100 of these and just knowing how they all go, it's not enough evidence.
00:50:55
It's not. That's not a that's not the solid case where you're like, we've got the guy.
00:51:00
And to that point, if you have an IQ of 70 and you have all of these fucking health mental health issues, you don't commit the perfect crime.
00:51:08
You can't commit the perfect crime. That's a great point. You don't run from the scene without any blood on you.
00:51:14
You don't know to use a silencer. You don't know how to shoot someone so that blood doesn't get on you.
00:51:19
You don't avoid CCTV footage and, you know, you don't not talk to someone about it.
00:51:24
Because, like, apparently he would just, he talked a lot and would tell people about his obsession with celebrities.
00:51:29
And he would tell everyone, like, this is who I'm obsessed with this day. No one ever remembered him talking about Jill.
00:51:33
Yeah. He just didn't, it didn't make sense for him. Right. Maybe it was a fucking insane stalker fan, but it doesn't sound like him.
00:51:40
Right. So, anyways. Da-da-da-da-da. Okay, eight years after his sentencing and numerous turndown appeals, George has finally granted a second trial.
00:51:51
When it came out, the gun trace obtained from his coat was discredited as a reliable source of evidence,
00:51:55
which is like the stuff we have now, too, where it's like blood splatter evidence doesn't fit.
00:51:59
Right. And doesn't make sense. One one-thousandth of anything shouldn't count. Absolutely not.
00:52:05
Oh, and the coat, it had been a year since the murder, and he had had it dry cleaned and worn it since then, too.
00:52:12
When they found that? When they took the coat into custody. Okay. Yeah. So it wasn't him.
00:52:18
Yeah. Okay. So he's acquitted in November 2007, despite he's trying to claim 500,000 pounds in compensation
00:52:27
for his wrongful conviction. But it's been turned down by then Home Secretary Kenneth Clark, who ruled that he was not,
00:52:35
quote, not innocent enough. Oh. And that the conviction was not so unfair as to be considered a miscarriage of justice.
00:52:43
So you got acquitted, but they're like, yeah, but not hard enough. I mean, it's this is truly an either or situation.
00:52:51
You're innocent or guilty. And then like a new law was passed around that time that was like, well, if you want to get compensation, you have to prove your innocence.
00:53:00
Wow. Yeah. Which is like, what? That's mind boggling. It makes sense, though, because it's like they don't want to be paying out people.
00:53:06
i mean they want to they want to be paying people who it's they've been wrongfully convicted and
00:53:11
it's been proven like by dna or something that they're innocent yeah but he just got off because
00:53:16
that yeah i see what you're saying i mean yeah it's it's not like they were like you didn't do
00:53:22
it they were like the evidence show doesn't show that you did it beyond a reasonable doubt yeah
00:53:26
i mean that's it it's a weird gray area it's almost like they won't give it to him until they
00:53:31
until someone else gets yeah that it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt but it's like it's
00:53:38
like a shadow of a of a assurance that he did do it is what got him in there in the first right
00:53:44
so right it says you know shadow shouldn't be involved it's just shadowy it's super
00:53:50
shady a lot of shadowy figures hey let talk about some of them okay let go to theories so there a bunch of theories about there like six strong ones but there about of course a ton I was listening to a podcast that has a lot of them that you can listen to about it It the podcast is called unseen And but I just going to go over
00:54:10
two little ones, and then my favorite one. Okay, so after he's acquitted, there are about 52,000
00:54:17
documents from his from Barry George's legal team that are made public, and some of which help the
00:54:23
public create new theories that they felt the police overlooked in their quest to pin it on
00:54:28
George. So the first one that I found interesting is that the IRA was involved, the Irish Republican
00:54:37
Army, that they chose Jill Dando as a target because there were links with the police through
00:54:42
her show Crime Watch. And they actually, a letter was found in those documents of a dude who was in
00:54:49
prison who admitted to killing with a bunch of people that they killed her for the IRA.
00:54:57
And it's just kind of nutty. Bullshit. Yeah, I don't believe it. As a member of Shane Fen, I'd like to say that's bullshit.
00:55:03
I'm just kidding. But of course, then at the time, there was already peace talks going on.
00:55:08
So the government knew about it, but didn't want them didn't want to like pin it on the
00:55:13
IRA because then the peace talks would have blown up. Yes. Blah, blah, blah. Well, you know, it's there's I mean, and also it just seems a bit far away.
00:55:21
It's just like, oh, we're going to if we assassinate this newscaster, these things will happen where it's like that's it doesn't that doesn't directly track in any way.
00:55:32
Well, way to get to mine. That's similar. OK, it does directly track. The other one was that in 2014, a former colleague of Jill's came forward and said that Jill was trying to expose a VIP pedophile ring just months before her death.
00:55:44
And the pedophile ring had named high profile celebrities. Here's the thing. Those pedophile rings in England have been proven to be real.
00:55:52
That one dude who was like the BBC presenter guy. Jimmy Somerville, who's the creepiest of creeps.
00:55:58
That's right. So they think it was like, that's like that's related to that. Yeah.
00:56:03
I don't think so because I don't know why. I don't think she would have had information that could have been silenced by killing her.
00:56:12
I don't think she, you know, she was the presenter and she was a journalist, but there were, you know, teams of people behind her.
00:56:17
It wasn't like she was a newspaper investigative journalist. Right. You know what I mean?
00:56:20
She was a presenter. It wouldn't have stopped at her. Right. Maybe it would have sent a message, but I don't think that it would have sent a big enough message for everyone to be like, never mind.
00:56:29
You know what I mean? Because it ended up coming out anyways. Mm-hmm. So, but it's interesting.
00:56:34
Yeah. All right. So here's the one I like the most. And this is conspiracy theory time.
00:56:39
So in 2012, a story came out about the widow of a renowned Serbian journalist named Slavko Korovića.
00:56:48
So this dude, Slavko, he had been murdered during the Kosovo War in an almost identical circumstances to Jill, just 15 days before Jill.
00:56:57
Oh. So the widow came forward to say that she's convinced that Jill Dando was shot by a hitman acting on orders given from the same person who had ordered her husband's hit, Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic.
00:57:11
Whoa. Okay, this fucking shit goes deep. And I'm like now really, really wanting to look into the Kosovo war because it's bananas.
00:57:17
So this guy, Slavko Kurovića, he was a critic of the Serbian, the Serb regime. And he was this big journalist who owned a newspaper.
00:57:28
And he had been shot dead outside their home in Belgrade. Both victims were high profile journalists.
00:57:33
Jill and this guy. Both were returning home when they were approached from behind, forced to the ground and shot in the head at close range.
00:57:40
Wow. Fifteen fucking days apart. So why would Jill be targeted by the Serbian regime, you ask?
00:57:47
Karen, that's a great question. Thanks. Well, just weeks before her death, Jill had fronted a TV appeal for Kosovo and Albanian refugees being driven out of their home by militias backed by the Yugoslavian president.
00:58:03
So she does this kind of like, you know, heart to heart news program being like, we need to help these poor refugees showing footage of what's going on, explaining what's happening, really anti-SERB.
00:58:19
And apparently it enraged the Serban paramilitaries, which is like, fine. I've had a lot of fucking news reporters were doing that.
00:58:27
It's not like they wanted to get her specifically for saying that. It wouldn't have done anything.
00:58:30
But at that point, NATO had gotten involved in the war in Kosovo. And on April 23, 1999, had bombed a state-owned TV station in Belgrade.
00:58:41
Fucking NATO did this. Whoa. They killed 16 workers at this news station, including a makeup artist and an electrician.
00:58:49
It was all just like, you know, regular workers there. Yeah. At the time, it was NATO's first offensive action against a sovereign nation in its 50-year history.
00:58:58
Wow. And the British broadcast, the BBC reported that the station was targeted because of its role in Belgrade's propaganda campaign.
00:59:06
So they said it was fucking justified because this was a propaganda machine. So they killed the makeup artist and the fucking cameraman and the electrician and shit.
00:59:15
So 15 days later, Jill's killed. So the day after Jill's murder, an unidentified man called the BBC and he had an accent.
00:59:24
he told the operator, because your government, this is quote, because your government, and in
00:59:28
particular, your prime minister, Blair, murdered, butchered 17 innocent young people. He butchered,
00:59:34
we butcher back the first one you had yesterday, the day after Jill's fucking murder.
00:59:39
Whoa. Chief Inspector Hamish Campbell, who led the manhunt, said that the theory was only
00:59:46
considered, quote, for a short while, but instead police focused their attention on George.
00:59:51
Oh, dude. I know. so uh that like that to me is it makes sense it this fucking international crazy conspiracy that they like you killed you bombed this fucking
01:00:05
you know, news station. We're going to kill. And they, they threatened other specific newscasters at BBC.
01:00:13
Right. Nothing ever happened, but they got a couple different phone calls from it.
01:00:17
Can I add to something? Just as I make it up. Please. Always, always. That they were like,
01:00:22
all right, pin it on the the local eccentric bounce this over to mi5 and that's why no one else got
01:00:30
murdered that they probably had things in place but it went full-on deep cover cia british style
01:00:37
which is mi5 the police might not even know like the local police who are the you know chief
01:00:42
inspector maybe him but not the rest might not even known that like the mi5 was like let's make
01:00:47
it look like this this dude barry george this local fucking weirdo who's also like been arrested
01:00:53
and charged with rape let's make it look like he did it yeah let's put you know a fucking gun
01:00:59
particle in his pocket so the police and the people who are arresting him might not even know
01:01:04
about it it's not like everyone's behind this right because this is it's so high level like
01:01:10
spy shit yeah that's crazy and then if you if mi5 comes out and they're like this is what happened
01:01:17
then you're going to fucking war then it's going to be war right nobody wants well everyone wants
01:01:23
war in the government but nobody it's war right like they're trying to prevent the like larger
01:01:30
and larger action right yeah right yeah so maybe they like behind closed doors you know put a
01:01:36
fucking quash on this whole thing somehow and we're like we don't need to take this any further
01:01:41
yeah and jill fucking dando was the person who got sacrificed for it right so that sucks as of now
01:01:49
the police maintain their belief that jill was killed by a crazed and obsessed stalker maybe
01:01:54
someone she was familiar with and they're still kind of going in that angle but they're not it's
01:01:58
not like it doesn't seem like it's an active investigation at the moment right and almost
01:02:02
it's been almost 20 years since her death but jill dando's case remains opened and unsolved
01:02:07
I bet so many British people are like, I remember that day type of thing. That's just so shocking.
01:02:15
I think it was like similar to when Princess Diana died. It's just this like, well, this person doesn't is this lovely person who represents this, you know, like this who we are and what we care about.
01:02:28
And yeah, and is has a senseless death and someone needs to fucking pay for this.
01:02:33
Or someone needs to come to justice for this. It's just really awful. Also, when you said none of the CCTV footage showed anybody, that's highly suspicious because, like you said, if it was the eccentric wandering around and being the way he always was, you would have seen him walk up, walk down, be in the neighborhood, do something.
01:02:55
He wouldn't be a shadowy figure that just disappears. Whereas if it was some kind of spy shit.
01:03:04
you know well there's like that weird land rover which everyone knows fucking shady people drive
01:03:09
land rovers it's especially in la especially in la and then they yeah it's just this weird like
01:03:15
it makes so much more sense it's a professional hit it's like someone who has been trained come
01:03:21
in come out and the thing that everyone who saw this person who may or may not have been the killer
01:03:25
who also like was seen on closed caption is that he looked he looked uh well to do and normal yeah
01:03:31
He looked well to do. Yes. Which is the perfect cover, right? You look like a fucking normal person.
01:03:36
Yes. Don't look like a spastic local fucking weirdo. No, you look like a rich guy.
01:03:40
Yeah. And everyone's like, well, it can't be the guy in the Range Rover. That guy's a banker.
01:03:43
There's a normal guy. Yeah. He's a banker. He's a guy. Right. Wow. And there's like more shit about this killer and that killer.
01:03:50
And it's just a bit in Kosovo. And it's just like fucking bananas. Crazy. Yeah. Wow.
01:03:56
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Do you want a pillow? You have some over there Do you need more No no I fine I just can stop No I good I getting pillows Okay so for mine this week and I told you a couple days ago
01:06:06
I was like, I'm so excited for my story this week. Yeah. I love that. And I'd never heard of this.
01:06:13
And I never, I mean, not even like an inkling, because, and I can't believe that because it has everything I love.
01:06:20
It has a combination of, and when obviously we say love, we mean things I'm most horrified by.
01:06:28
It's attraction repulsion. Look it up in a psychology book. Yes. But the only reason I know about it is because a lovely murderino on Twitter,
01:06:40
at SantinaLin33, they sent it to me and basically said, I think you would like this.
01:06:47
And I hit the link and was just like, man, you're right. Shit. Man, you're right.
01:06:54
So I'm going to mislead a little bit and not say the actual title of what I had originally.
01:07:00
And we're just going to call this The Andrews Family Haunting. Oh, my God. I love it.
01:07:03
I love it. I love it. Yeah. I'm here for this. It's such a tragic story. It's like there's just nothing but tragedy in every direction.
01:07:12
And it is that kind of like this swirling thing of when children are abused, when people are left alone, when like just all those things kind of coming together in one terrible tragedy.
01:07:24
The kind of thing where you're like, well, I don't believe in ghosts, but if there's ever going to be one, these are the circumstances that are going to create.
01:07:30
That's right. This sense. OK. OK, let's do it. So it is the fall of 1986 and we're in a suburb outside of Boston, Mass, and it's called Pepperell.
01:07:42
That's how I'm just going to pronounce it. Pepperill. We'll see what happens. Great.
01:07:46
So it's the Andrews family. It's the father, Brian, and then his two daughters, Annie, who's 15 and Jessica, who's eight.
01:07:53
And they have just lost their mother from cancer. It's obviously a terrible loss.
01:08:01
The family is grieving. It's a really hard time for them. Their father is a really hard worker.
01:08:06
He's a bus driver and he's working to keep the family together. But, you know, what a terrible time to lose your mom.
01:08:14
And just really also, as everybody knows, so many people have been affected by cancer.
01:08:20
It's just the saddest, you know, watching somebody get cancer, being diagnosed with it, and then, you know, the eventual sickness or whatever.
01:08:30
I feel like so many people, the only good thing is so many advances have been made in cancer.
01:08:36
and it's so different than it was in the 80s when it would just immediately be a death sentence.
01:08:41
But it's a ravaging, terrible disease. And so many people know that and experienced it.
01:08:46
So Brian is just trying to keep his teenage daughter and his eight-year-old daughter together and okay.
01:08:52
But they spend tons of time alone at the house because he has to work so much. And they hang out, they watch TV together.
01:09:00
So in the middle of all this kind of sadness, And this is also, now it's 86. So we have to go back before the internet.
01:09:09
We go back before texting. We go back before everything. And this is all about the phone.
01:09:15
This is when the ringing phone had the potential of everything, of your golden teenage years coming through that phone line.
01:09:23
What could it be? That's what it was all about. So one night the phone rings and Annie picks it up.
01:09:28
And it's a boy on the other end of the line. And he introduces himself. He says his name is Danny.
01:09:33
And then he got her phone number from a mutual friend of theirs at her school. And she's the older one.
01:09:40
She's the older one. She's 15. And the boy says that he saw her and he asked their friend for her phone number.
01:09:46
He explains he goes to a different school. He describes himself. He's athletic. He's tall.
01:09:51
He's blonde. You know, I don't know if he said he was good looking, but that's just the idea that she
01:09:55
got that he was, you know, basically like captain of the football team style dude at
01:10:01
a different school who's interested in her. So, of course, you're 15. It's like what you are waiting for and living for.
01:10:08
Totally. A 15-year-old girl. It's a fucking Babysitter's Club novel. It fully is.
01:10:12
Yes. But over the phone. So, she's thrilled. They chat on the phone for, you know, like into the night or whatever and have great conversations.
01:10:20
And that happens a couple times. And finally, he asks her on a date. He asks her to the fair.
01:10:27
And she says yes. And so, the big day arrives. The doorbell rings. She runs downstairs, opens the door.
01:10:34
Standing there is a short, non-athletic, dark-haired, very acne-covered boy who introduces himself as Danny.
01:10:45
And, of course, she's immediately disappointed. She's trying not to act like she is.
01:10:50
She's trying to be nice. She feels like she still has to go on this date with him, even though she's like, this is so weird.
01:10:58
And so she goes. And the date lasts one hour because almost immediately she's getting weird vibes from this kid.
01:11:08
And as they're having their get to know you conversation. And at one point she explains that her mother's recently died from cancer.
01:11:17
And suddenly he perks up and he starts asking her all these questions. And she's kind of like, what the fuck?
01:11:23
And he's like, like overly curious about her mother dying of cancer to the point where he's like, how to tell me how you felt this the moment you you found out she was dead.
01:11:38
This feels like a fucking what's it called? Urban legend so far. Yes, it has all those things where you're just like, oh, a great thing.
01:11:45
Oh, no, it's the worst version of this thing that I thought it was supposed to be.
01:11:48
And it's like it's an 80s version of catfishing. and she's 15 so she doesn't know
01:11:53
how to assert herself. She doesn't know how to go hey fuck you dude you sold me a bill of goods
01:11:57
you're not who I think you are I'm not confident Goodbye. Yeah. But in that hour, suddenly he's saying he's asking her to describe how her mom
01:12:07
suffered all this stuff. And finally, she's she's like, yeah, this is super weird. Like goodbye and
01:12:15
walks away. Oh, that was after he made a joke about her mom. So she's just like, never talk to
01:12:22
me again. Don't call me anymore. And leave. Good girl. So she's back at home and back to kind of
01:12:29
like sad life with her and her sister kind of being like latchkey-ish. So they're spending lots
01:12:36
of time home alone. They miss their mom. So one night they decide they're going to do a seance
01:12:42
to try to see if they can contact their mom. They go up into the attic. They do all the things they
01:12:48
think you're supposed to do to have a seance, light a candle. They're doing some chanting,
01:12:53
whatever. Their dad opens the door. He comes home from work, opens the door. They end it.
01:12:58
But they had been starting to get this weird feeling and they thought it was like really
01:13:01
working or whatever. And then the dad walks in and is like, what are you two doing? You know,
01:13:05
whatever. Get out of the attic. No candles. No candles in this house. Sure. And I'd like to say
01:13:10
candles in the attic. No, you can't. The dad's worried about his daughters. Obviously,
01:13:15
they're really suffering through the loss of their mom. He doesn't really know what to do.
01:13:20
And he's kind of weirded out by that behavior. So shortly after they have this seance, they start
01:13:26
hearing tapping and knocking in the house when they're home by themselves. And at first, you know,
01:13:33
freaks them out. They try to go see where it's coming from. They can't find it. It goes away.
01:13:37
And that it's like this recurring thing and gets louder, gets more insistent. And at one point,
01:13:44
it's just constant. Like one night it's there and there's just constant tapping.
01:13:48
No, light the house on fire and leave. Right. No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. No. So they're like,
01:13:53
fuck we, this is bad. And like, this is something, this is not good. you know, this is,
01:13:57
Also, it's a thing, like I was saying before, like you're home alone. I mean, I'm like,
01:14:03
uh, so old. And when I'm home alone, you hear one noise and you're like, you want to run out into the street.
01:14:09
Totally. That's kind of why I love living in apartment buildings. Cause it's like,
01:14:11
you can just blame it on anything else yes and there's so many people right nearby there's 30
01:14:16
people right now yeah if once i live in a house someday i'm not going to be happy yeah that's it's
01:14:22
very difficult um it seems so hard um so then they start noticing that things are moving when
01:14:34
so they put something down in one room and when they come back in it's somewhere else like pieces
01:14:39
of furniture cats they put their cat down in one place and they're like it's not sleeping or it's
01:14:43
not there anymore they tell their dad one time that they poured some fiddle faddle in a bowl
01:14:48
to take in to watch tv with them when they went back in to the kitchen later to get it it was
01:14:53
gone the bowl was gone the whole thing was gone they couldn't find it remember fiddle faddle
01:14:57
fiddle faddle but i prefer poppycock i wonder we should do a blind taste test well because i think
01:15:03
fiddle faddle one of them fiddle faddle is like peanuts right and then poppycock has like
01:15:08
almonds there's there's some difference what about cracker jacks cracker jacks are for old people
01:15:13
well then call me old i just called myself old and now i'm like trying to throw that shit on
01:15:20
other people that's how it works that's how insecurity works everybody um what time's
01:15:26
going crazy shit's going crazy the doorbell rings one night they open the door no one's there
01:15:30
so they're like fuck what is what is happening spirits we opened we opened a portal so that when
01:15:36
they tell their dad these stories the dad's like so they want my attention i'm not around enough
01:15:40
i i'm not there for them yes but also it's haunted yes well both are true but as we know in every like
01:15:48
horror movie the parents never believe the kids until like again all the curtains are on fire and
01:15:53
then turn into an old nun or whatever oh by the way the nun's coming out this weekend everybody
01:15:58
we've got to go watch let's all go together okay let's all go in a big bus yeah okay so one night
01:16:04
again home alone watching movie they haven't heard the knocking for a while they start to hear it
01:16:10
again this time it's in the basement so annie picks up a knife and she's like come on we have
01:16:15
to go check and of course jessica's like no no we can't go yeah they go down into the basement
01:16:21
and there is a message written on the wall in what looks like blood and it says i'm in your room
01:16:30
come find me the girls read it they scream they run out they go to the neighbor's house
01:16:37
they're freaking good i thought they were gonna go to the room no no no no they the neighbors call
01:16:43
the dad at work he comes home the police come they all meet at the house they go the dad and
01:16:50
the cop go downstairs into the basement and they're standing there they look they touch the
01:16:57
wall it's ketchup okay so then he's like my daughters did this oh no i was gonna like great
01:17:04
but someone still wrote it he's like the ketchup he's just like this is like a child
01:17:08
prank they're like trying to get my attention and pretend like they're so scared to be home
01:17:13
by themselves because they want me to be home with them and this is so embarrassing he apologizes to
01:17:17
the cops and he tells the girls you guys are gonna have to go to therapy yeah oh i'm like
01:17:22
gasping about therapy good great but also that they actually do need to be in therapy good things
01:17:27
are happening their dad's on the right track yes but but also he needs to listen to them yeah um
01:17:33
and he also tells that he's like do not do this again this is not this is serious like i'm pissed
01:17:38
so they're so frustrated because they're so scared to be home and they know what's happening to them
01:17:45
and they can't get anybody to believe them dude okay so a few weeks later they're home alone
01:17:51
the knocking starts again now it super intense and now it upstairs and so they go upstairs and they go into the bedroom and across the wall in the bedroom in the red it written I back come and find me So they
01:18:08
scream, and they freak out, they run out of the house, they run to the neighbors,
01:18:13
the neighbor calls the dad again. But this time when the dad comes home, he's he finds the girls
01:18:19
are standing outside, they're crying and holding each other and shaking. And the neighbor goes,
01:18:23
they've been like this since they got to my house this isn't fake yeah whatever's going on something's
01:18:28
really going on in that house yeah like the neighbor's now on their side because these girls
01:18:32
are just shaken so the dad brian goes up into the house and he's like i'm i'll go check it out
01:18:40
he goes up into the house and this is now also this this story does have several versions of
01:18:48
these details but they all end up in the back in the same place but these versions i'm i'm right
01:18:54
now going by the id channel show your worst nightmare season two episode one a bump in the
01:18:59
night okay he goes upstairs and he as he walks through the house every tv is on things are so
01:19:07
disheveled that he knows his daughters didn't like wreck the house before they left he's starting to
01:19:12
go something really is happening in this house and he's like starting to get really freaked out
01:19:17
He walks upstairs and he sees in the girl's room that it's written on the wall. But then he turns around and there's a picture of Annie with a knife stuck in it, stuck to the wall.
01:19:33
And he's like, oh, my God. And then he hears a noise down the hallway. He goes down into his bedroom and someone is standing there wearing his wife's wedding gown.
01:19:43
No. And a wig. And turns around. around it's danny laplant the boy that annie went on the date with yeah his face is painted in like
01:19:55
warrior makeup oh my god and he's holding a hatchet holy fuck the dad fucking of course like
01:20:02
stumbles backwards yeah danny comes at him he runs out of the house shuts the door screams get them
01:20:09
inside the house call the cops the cops immediately come and they're just and he's standing out in the
01:20:15
street and like no one comes out of the house and so he's like standing there waiting because he
01:20:20
knows it's a 15 year old kid he's not big yeah so he's but he's like kind of ready but this guy's
01:20:25
fucking bad shit yeah he's got a hatchet batchet and hatchet batchet hatchet wearing a wedding
01:20:30
dress so the cops go into the house to get him oh hey and they they don't find anybody in the house
01:20:40
and they're searching all around and they're like this is weird because they know no one came out
01:20:45
Yeah. And then they look and it on the stories like all over our there's this happened in different places.
01:20:53
But basically they see they notice that there is a bookcase that's slightly out from the wall.
01:21:01
Is this a hiding in the wall story? It sure is, Georgia. They pull it open. No. And there is a tunnel system.
01:21:10
No. Throughout the walls of the house. Fuck. and Danny LaPlante has been living inside of the walls of this house since they went on this date.
01:21:20
Danny, you creeper. And not only is there writing on these walls and there's the girl's clothing that's been slowly disappearing
01:21:29
that he's been jerking off onto that's all inside the walls and there's beer. He's glued pennies to the wall.
01:21:36
There's all kinds of weird shit that shows he's been in there for so long. But on top of all of that, there are little peepholes so that he could walk anywhere in the house and see the girls in any room that they were in.
01:21:50
Ew. Ew. Okay. What the fuck? Yes. So some versions of the story are that Danny tied the whole family up and then Jessica got away and called the cops.
01:22:06
No. everyone got away and then the cops came and then they moved back in and then later it was like that
01:22:12
where i'm like this does it doesn't even seem realistic um either i'm on this i'm on i'm on
01:22:17
board with this one so far yeah i'm on id channel style they have researchers they know what they're
01:22:22
doing that's right so it turns out so danny laplant this 15 year old boy very disturbed
01:22:29
has had a horrible life terribly abused physically emotionally sexually by his father
01:22:35
and had a terrible time in school, was always made fun of because of his parents,
01:22:42
because of his acne. He was disheveled. He was very weird and creepy, just had a terrible time.
01:22:47
He had learning disabilities. He had, you know, everything stacked against him. When he was an adolescent,
01:22:55
at one point they sent him to a psychiatrist to help him, the psychiatrist molested him.
01:23:02
No! Yeah, right. oh god so you know but still nothing is justifying but but obviously there's there the underlying
01:23:12
um psychological problems were there that's awful it's really terrible he uh is taken to
01:23:19
a psychiatric hospital when he's finally arrested um uh and they evaluate him before they send him
01:23:26
to juvenile hall and they then decide the authorities decide he's going to be tried
01:23:31
as an adult and moved into real jail but because of that instead of like juvenile hall if he's
01:23:40
like an adult then he can have bail so his mother his mother is able to come up with the 100 dollars
01:23:46
oh no i'm sorry ten thousand dollars when i looked at this the first time i was like that crazy but you know it was the 80s i guess back then is dollars back then is equal to because i put a period i put a period instead of a comma sorry everybody ten thousand dollars bail
01:24:07
okay so he was bailed out and he's given a december court date oh no of course the andrews
01:24:14
family is like we got we're moving yeah yeah and uh they relocate on december so so it takes two
01:24:21
years for his his court case to come up on december 1st 1987 before the trial he's still out before
01:24:31
he's prosecuted for the crime of being the creepiest person in america um secondly to remember the um
01:24:39
the spider-man of of denver where the guy basically did the same thing but almost less creepy on that
01:24:45
one because he was just came down upon from the ceiling yeah and he was just living there because
01:24:49
he had nowhere else to go right and the family couple didn't know but okay so danny on december
01:24:56
1st 1987 um leaves his mom's house and what they eventually learned is that he'd stolen guns from
01:25:03
a neighbor because before this thing with the at the andrews house he had been breaking into homes
01:25:09
and robbing people but then he also would just break into homes and move stuff around and fuck
01:25:14
with people so he was very into like fucking with people's minds and invading uh privacy and you know
01:25:20
that was like an obsession of his already so like such a stephen king character yeah yeah really
01:25:27
disturbed yeah and no help the opposite of any kind of help yeah and abuses piled on abuses but
01:25:33
then just deeply disturbed persons so he goes he leaves his mom's house and he goes out into the
01:25:39
woods um which apparently some some people say he knew the woods like the back of his hands
01:25:44
So you can live out there as long as you want it. So he hikes through the woods for a mile.
01:25:48
And then the first house he comes to belongs to a family called the Gustafsons. And it is the mom is 33-year-old Priscilla.
01:25:59
The husband's named Andrew. And the children are Abigail, who's seven, and William, who's five.
01:26:07
So Priscilla comes home one day with the kids. and it's speculated because no one's sure positive,
01:26:16
but they think he could either have been surprised in the middle of robbing the house,
01:26:20
he just was there to rob it, or he had a plan all along and he was in there hiding.
01:26:26
The one thing that does support the fact that he had a plan was that there were ties found that he had bound the family,
01:26:35
which would have meant he had preplanned it in some way. because he basically kills the family.
01:26:43
He shoots Priscilla, and then he takes each child to a different bathroom and drowns them in the bathtub.
01:26:50
Terrible. Oh, my God. Yep. And then he disappears into the woods again. So they find at the scene,
01:26:59
the police find a .22 caliber gun casing, and it matches the gun that Danny stole,
01:27:05
the .22 that he had stolen. and for 48 hours they can't find him people are searching the woods what is this 88 or something
01:27:12
this is 87 okay it's december of 1987 shit so they actually get like a task force together
01:27:19
like cops from surrounding counties and dogs and yeah there's there's a whole search then they get
01:27:25
a tip that um danny's hiding at an old lumber yard oh what's fucking creepier than that no
01:27:32
So all these cops descend on this thing and they find him in a shed. And when they pull him out, he's laughing.
01:27:40
And he continues to laugh throughout his entire arrest. He just won't stop laughing.
01:27:47
Stop laughing, Danny. The entire time. He's booked. He's stripped. That's when they discover he has a loaded gun hidden in his crotch.
01:27:55
Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Gross. He now this time he sentenced he sentenced to three consecutive life sentences because Massachusetts doesn't have the death penalty.
01:28:06
And that's in court when everyone starts hearing about his terrible childhood. But as we many people say, we've been told a ton of times and we all know lots of people have had terrible childhoods and they do not kill people.
01:28:19
So obviously there's the extra special something in Danny's brain that was off. We also know this because he, when he went to jail, never expressed remorse for anything ever.
01:28:32
He became a Wiccan in jail. Then he filed a lawsuit against the state of Massachusetts because they weren't giving him access to dragon's blood, black opium, or honeysuckle.
01:28:43
Wiccans are like, can you leave us out of this, please? Literally, that's the next line.
01:28:46
That the Wiccan community was like, he is not one of us. Shut up. That is not what we're about.
01:28:50
That is like, he has nothing to do with us. None of us have ever heard of this guy.
01:28:54
like we reject him entirely not jesus they reject him entirely the wiccans are about the
01:29:01
fucking earth man yeah and dragon's blood and and dragon's blood then he he goes through appeal
01:29:07
after appeal of all these years where he's just like don't care fuck you whatever and finally
01:29:14
on his last appeal he came and he was like i realize what i've done i know what's wrong
01:29:20
I have nothing but remorse I'm so sorry for all the pain I cause liar liar liar his his final
01:29:26
appeal is denied so he's never getting out of jail and of course when was that in 20
01:29:34
something it's 2016 holy shit like recently right his final appeal was denied um and Andrew
01:29:44
Gustafson who lost his entire fucking family. And of course, after that, his, he died in 2014,
01:29:51
his second wife, luckily he, I mean, he did remarry which is lovely but his second wife testified at the resentencing that andrew life of course was ruined because of this crime he suffered endlessly with depression he went bankrupt
01:30:08
like his life of course fell apart because it was so terrible and uh they say i don't know if this
01:30:16
is verified that on andrew's deathbed when he died in 2014 he said make sure they never let him out
01:30:21
of jail when Danny's third appeal was like his final appeal was denied in a way they're like well
01:30:28
at least that Andrew got a little bit of justice in that yeah and that is the horrifying fucking
01:30:34
story of Danny LaPlante what in the actual fuck and also how have I never heard that story dude
01:30:41
I I think I've heard the beginning part and I was like and I was like okay like this isn't going to
01:30:48
be a murder story this is like you know this like weird and like is it provable i don't know but it's
01:30:53
like cool not cool but you know uh and then it just took a turn yes and that was horrible and you
01:31:00
have like in on the television show your worst nightmare the way they shot it was so good where
01:31:07
he's standing there like um brian goes into that bedroom and i was like suddenly looking like
01:31:13
what someone's in a wedding dress like how confusing and disorienting that would be
01:31:17
and then it's just like a teenage boy who basically is like it looks like braveheart
01:31:21
it's like the top half of his head is is uh all black across the eyes and forehead and then the
01:31:27
bottom is white and he has like a weird strip of red on his lips like it's so creepy and the hatchet
01:31:34
it's just like oh this is not a haunting this is a nightmare this is a true fucking nightmare you're
01:31:39
awake so crazy i want to see a photo of this dude oh i have one right here for you oh my god oh my
01:31:45
god oh my god yeah i mean he just to be honest he just looks like all the disturbed serial killer-y
01:31:51
uh yeah teen boys that you've ever seen oh he's got he's definitely got a richard ramirez feel
01:31:58
to him he definitely does dark dark oh man yeah really bad definitely like the area of the heavy
01:32:07
metal parking lot where you're like you don't want to go that's right you know yeah don't smoke
01:32:13
that guy's pot because no it absolutely will have angel dust that's right and you'll be totally
01:32:18
fucked and freon and you're fucking suddenly wake up oh my god um freon remember freon
01:32:25
uh well shit dude i know right insane good job oh thanks so much um my my fucking hooray is that
01:32:34
I got to hang out with both of my nephews over the weekend separately. And I got to hang out with the eight-year-old nephew, Micah, alone.
01:32:41
Like, we just got to, like, hang out and walk around and talk and eat. And, like, it just was this nice.
01:32:45
He's just such a different person around a bunch of people because he gets so excited and hyperactive and shit.
01:32:50
Not like, but. Like a kid. Like a kid. Yeah. But this time it was just nice to talk to him and stuff.
01:32:55
And then my little baby, my nephew, of course, is the angelist of them all. And so it just made me feel like a good aunt.
01:33:02
Nice. That's nice. Also, it's so good, too. It's such a brain change because we're never around, I feel like, in the kind of life and lifestyle that we have.
01:33:11
It's just like you're just never around kids. It's not a family lifestyle. It's not even like slightly juvenile lifestyle.
01:33:19
No. You never get it. And it's so important because, like, they're not sarcastic.
01:33:23
Yeah. They're not fucking riffing all the time or trying to, like, put on a thing.
01:33:27
Totally. You don't have to, like, keep up a conversation and ask them about dumb shit.
01:33:31
Nope. it's just real connected yeah like connected stuff all he did was like tell me about things
01:33:36
he's excited about like movies and this movie and this other movie and this character in this movie
01:33:42
and like just like talk at me it was like nice yes it's cool and i was just like well what did
01:33:46
that guy do it was just kind of it was fun that's awesome yeah well then i guess i will do my i did
01:33:52
a lot of so i started back up a writing job so back up back up oh you started back up i thought
01:34:00
you meant like a backup to the podcast. Baskets is not a backup writing job. Gotta have a safety net. And it's just like the one of the best TV shows on television.
01:34:12
It's my version of getting an accounting degree. Yeah. When I want to be an actor.
01:34:17
No, it resumed. So knowing that life was going to get much more dense and difficult,
01:34:25
I just did absolutely nothing for like four days in a row. Um, yeah, it was really nice.
01:34:32
And, uh, I mean, not like I needed it, but it was, I was almost like just milking the end of it.
01:34:37
Well, it's nice when you do it. Cause you know, there's a, there's a thing to do it for when it's not just like,
01:34:41
I'm not going to do anything today. It's like, I have to catch up. Yes. Cause I'm about to start some crazy shit.
01:34:46
Yeah. Like I'm in it now. I'm, I'm, I've turned back into like a banker, you know what I mean?
01:34:51
I can't pretend I'm like a hippie arty person. And it's like, so I just wanted my last couple days of it.
01:34:57
So I was binge watching all kinds of crazy shit. And there's a series, there's an old BBC series called Tom Jones.
01:35:05
That is, it's based on the story. It's really well done. There's some great actors, but it's clearly from the 90s.
01:35:12
It's old. But that was very satisfying. But then I, on Labor Day, tweeted a GIF where I said, Labor Day weekend in your 40s.
01:35:26
And then it was a GIF of a guy that was making a face and just slowly closing a door.
01:35:31
Like, horrified face. And someone replied to that and was like, oh, my God, I love The Misfits.
01:35:37
And I assumed it was the band. Yeah. And I'm like, wait, what? That guy's from The Misfits?
01:35:42
And so then I look it up. it's a british series that is so fucking good and funny and i watched um i mean there's a ton of i
01:35:52
think there might be five seasons or more i watched the first three it was it's super it's like dirty i
01:36:00
would this be on because this can't be on just normal tv in england but they're so fucking liberal
01:36:05
about sex they don't give a shit and then there's like late night shit and early night shit yeah
01:36:09
but this is like um young people who all got arrested for something and they have to go do
01:36:14
like it's basically community service i love it but then while they're doing community service
01:36:18
a weird cloud passes over and like this odd storm starts and then everyone changes and suddenly
01:36:25
people have special powers but it's like all these like ne'er-do-well kids that have the powers oh my
01:36:31
god it is so good it's awesome so funny and interesting and luckily a bunch of murderinos
01:36:38
knew what that gift was and what the show was they're like we love that you love the misfits
01:36:42
and i was just like what the fuck is going on credit for this badass thing and now you're like
01:36:46
no you can actually give me credit for it yeah now i can have credit i didn't deserve credit on
01:36:51
Labor Day, but I've now earned it because now I'm a humongous fan. It's a really good show.
01:36:55
And it's old. I mean, people in the UK right now are like, oh, really? It's like... Yeah, but you know we take
01:37:01
a while to catch up. It would be like if a British podcast was like, you've got to watch Dawson's
01:37:07
Creek. It's amazing. But anyway, yeah. I'm going to watch it while I don't drink. Which is
01:37:13
another one of my things. Just start watching everything. I'm going to do it. Yeah.
01:37:18
Brad, should we have a challenge for this week? this weekend coming up? Sure. I actually did.
01:37:24
I didn't go to a yoga class, but I rented or I bought a yoga, a Kundalini yoga video Nice That I did half of It actually Kundalini yoga is interesting because it not crazy hard poses physically it like odd things that are duration like you have to do weird things
01:37:45
with your arms for four minutes that you're like all of a sudden and then breathe all crazy like
01:37:50
yes okay but they're but it's effective like it really works if you do it so i'm giving myself
01:37:56
I'm like build up to it because it's actually hard to do and do as much as you can and then
01:38:02
just keep on doing it. Okay. So that's supposed to be, they want you to do in that a 40 day yoga challenge where you
01:38:09
do it every day. Jesus. So I might try to do that just because I just want to build as much as you can.
01:38:14
I need to practice. I need to practice and I need a morning routine. I love that.
01:38:19
All right. Well, I'm going to try to go one time this week. Okay. I haven't been and I just need, in fact, I need someone to answer to.
01:38:26
Yeah. Good idea. Rad. Let's do it, everyone. Because we keep getting tweets about people going and about people being like, I went to mine.
01:38:33
So we're not giving up on this. No. Like, we definitely, I definitely want to continue practicing doing it.
01:38:40
I have a quick shout out to the Halifax Murderinos. They did a themed yoga class for charity.
01:38:45
Nice. Halifax, Nova Scotia? Yeah. They said, howdy. This Wednesday, August 22nd, our small but mighty group of Halifax Murderinos from Nova Scotia took your suggestion.
01:38:55
not only went to yoga, but themed the whole damn class around it. They told me the different kinds of poses they did, and we raised over $100 for the
01:39:03
Kristen Johnston Legacy Beersery. Kristen a yoga teacher herself was stabbed to death by her former partner in 2016 She touched many lives here in Halifax and beyond We couldn think of a better reason to gather as a community and practice yoga than to honor Kristen memory and uphold her legacy
01:39:20
Wow, that's great. Stay sexy. Do murderino yoga. Dara, pronounced like Sarah. Nice.
01:39:26
So that's amazing. Let's all do that. I love that. Also, Nova Scotia. I mean, that is a tiny area where one of my favorite giantesses is from.
01:39:37
Oh, who? Anna Swan, the giantess of Nova Scotia. She was like eight feet tall. Wow.
01:39:44
She was humongous. Good for her. I love her. You love giants. I really do love giants.
01:39:51
Well, you guys have been giants for listening to this episode. Wow. Especially you, Allison, Bittarino.
01:39:59
Ashley. I'm sorry, Ashley. Ashley Bitterman. Was it Bitterman? Bitterman. Ashley Bitterman.
01:40:06
Allison Bitturino is like, I finally got my shower. Allison Bitturino is like, my life hasn't been hard at all.
01:40:15
Bitturino is so much different than Bitturman. Bitturman's like, oh, what a drag.
01:40:19
That was really insulting. I apologize. To fake people. Both of you. So sorry, fake people.
01:40:26
Don't have your feelings hurt, fake people. But thank you for listening. And stay sexy.
01:40:31
And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Elvis, you want a cookie? Want a cookie for your birthday?
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