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MFM Minisode 89

September 24, 2018 /

This episode features stories about John List Jr., Hurricane Florence, and eerie encounters with flying squirrels. Isabel shares a chilling account of her father's connection to the John List family murders, revealing he was the last person to see John Jr. alive before the tragic events unfolded. The discussion highlights the impact of the murders on those left behind, emphasizing the dark legacy of John List.

Another listener recounts a creepy experience involving flying squirrels in her childhood home in North Carolina. The story describes how the squirrels took items from the house, leading to a humorous yet unsettling discovery of their antics.

Additionally, a guest shares her work as a museum director in Charleston, South Carolina, detailing the emotional experience of uncovering artifacts from the past, including a reading primer belonging to an enslaved person. This discovery highlights the importance of preserving history and understanding the lives of those who lived in the past.

The episode balances dark themes with lighter anecdotes, showcasing the hosts' dynamic and the unique stories shared by listeners.

TLDR

Listeners share chilling stories about John List Jr., flying squirrels, and uncovering historical artifacts in Charleston.

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with code I heart. my favorite hello god we're getting good at that we are getting great after only 2 000 episodes solid gold
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welcome to my favorite murder the mini sode where we read you your shit you love it we read it
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we like it too yeah we we have our own kind of fun yeah the subject line of this first
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uh email i was gonna say podcast that's scary um is my dad was the last person to see john list
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jr alive so if you don't remember or if you're new and you or you only listen to the mini sode
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This is your first episode. Have we ever talked to the people who only listen to Minisodes?
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Doesn't happen. If you're Minisodes only, we'd love to hear from you. And why are you mad at us?
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Yeah, what the fuck's the problem? John List was the familiaside. I'm sure I'm not pronouncing that right.
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He's the guy that killed his whole family in their mansion because he had lost his job,
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but he couldn't tell anybody. And it's a very dark story that we did. classic dude who kills his family and starts a new life somewhere else because he's a piece of
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shit yes and he had a very famous they did a very famous reconstruction of his head on i believe
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unsolved mysteries or america's most wanted or america's most wanted i think is what it was
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um and they found him and they found him and he saw his new life chilling out like whatever in
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like colorado yeah they always fucking run to colorado and there's a great it's in one of our
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episodes that you do you do him and there's a great twist at the end about the money yes
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hope we won't tell you you have to go you have to go listen to a real episode for once sorry
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mini so nerd go listen to a full episode um okay so this is the son who's named after his father
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okay uh who was sadly murdered with the rest of the family all right karen georgia all furry
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friends big fan let's get to this great this past weekend i evacuated to my parents house before
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Hurricane Florence hit. So these are emails from North and South Carolina listeners pre-Florence, but right before.
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While I love all the stories my dad shares, this factoid about him is probably the craziest,
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which he delved a little further into this weekend. My dad was John List Jr.'s best friend and the last one to see him alive before his father,
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also my dad's Boy Scout leader and an extremely religious man, as my dad described him,
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took him home to kill the final member of his family. Oh, my God. It's so dark. I know in episode 29.
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Hey, thank you. Good, nice work. I would have never been. It's episode 29. You guys mentioned John Sr. went to his son's soccer game
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after killing his mother, wife, daughter, and other son. Jesus. My dad had told me John Jr. and him would normally walk home
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from practices and games together. He remembers this day because John Jr.'s dad pulled up in his car
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when they were walking on Clark Street and picked his son up, which never happened, but my dad thought nothing of it.
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It wouldn't be until a month later when nosy teachers and neighbors would discover the bodies in that ballroom,
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which my dad also played broom hockey in. So her dad was, or I'm assuming it's a her it is.
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Her dad played broom hockey in that ballroom where he laid out the bodies. Holy shit.
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So intense. He clearly remembers it as this giant room with this grand skylight.
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Spoiler. with absolutely no furniture in it. Fast forward a month and the detectives are picking my father up on his way to school He told me he thought oh shit did I do something bad My dad was definitely a total nerd so no way And it got even more serious when they brought him to the principal office
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where his parents were already waiting. They ended up asking him questions like if John Jr. had said anything to him
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before getting in the car or if John Sr. seemed off. I find this little tidbit of my dad's life so unique and sad, of course,
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since he lost his best friend in seventh grade. I look forward to seeing you ladies here in Charleston, South Carolina next week.
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Stay sexy and don't get murdered. Best, Isabel. Wow. Isn't that intense? What a crazy story that you know one of your parents has.
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Yeah. That's unbelievable. Holy shit. What a fucking sad story. And it's, of all the stories, one of the like, to me, it's the one, it just stays with you
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the most and has the, it's so baffling and insane. And it's just so unfair. It's like John List should have just fucking left and started a new life without killing his family or just fucking killed himself because he is a piece of shit.
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Just unfair. He thinks that he deserves to live and go have a life somewhere else.
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Yeah. Not his family. Yeah. Like what an asshole. Yeah. I know it's more than that, but that's what I'm going to call it.
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It's let's simplify things in the many sobs. That's how we are. These are not going to be an hour and 50 minutes long.
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He's an asshole. Let's see. Okay, this one is called Cat Calling Arson. Okay. Hi, all.
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Let's just jump in. Yes, let's, Lauren. So when I was 10, 11-ish, my older cousin and I were at her parents' house.
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It was mid-afternoon Sunday, and our parents had gone to church to work on some youth event.
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We live in a fairly safe small-town southern community in North Carolina. My cousin's house had a large unfurnished basement with sheets hanging up everywhere to separate all the hoarded junk sitting around.
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That sounds creepy. Um, hiding their clutter as a good, as good Southern people do.
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Nice. Just hanging sheets to hide your hoarding. Just throw up a nice curtain mid room.
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It's like a wall. Don't worry about it. Don't even worry about it. Uh, I was helping my cousin finish her list of chores and follow her downstairs to take
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another load of laundry down and grab clothes out of the dryer. The washer and dryer are located in the back of the basement in a large open room.
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So I'm folding clothes out of the basket and she's at the washer putting another load and
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I hear this whistle, you know, the, and then this part speaks to my heart because I can't
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whistle. so she says you know that wheat woot guys do when they're calling a lady on the street
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and i fucking that one i can't whistle so that's all i would be able to say can you
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uh there you go that and it scared both the cats i think it's a way funnier and more
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attractive thing to just yell wheat woo just like when i saw the we like typed out i was like i know what you're talking about
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my cousin is mid-sentence so i look at her and go how did you do that and she turns around and
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says what and i'm like whistle mid-sentence how did you do that she and i she whistles and said
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you clearly whistled not me to which i deny because i can't whistle i still can't whistle
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15 years later and then says i'm sitting on the couch fake whistling to confirm um and as we are
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looking at each other with our mouths clearly not moving we both hear the whistle again we
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picture in your mind this time it's so much creepier yeah this time i drop the clothes and
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run tearing up the stairs with my cousin not far behind me we run up the stairs shutting the
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basement door and locking it behind us oh we sorry i just put it together like i knew it factually
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but I just put it together. They're in a fucking basement. They're in a basement
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and there's sheets hanging all over. Oh, hiding shit. And they hear we, whoa. You set the whole scene
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and then the second it was the cat calling. You're like outside. Outside in front of like a scaffolding.
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Like New York City street. They're home alone in a basement. In a basement. Hording basement.
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Okay. Da da da da da. Call her dad who laughs us off until he hears a, we are clearly in panic
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and comes home from church. He's back within 10 minutes with a crowbar and my dad in tow behind him and they go to investigate.
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Fuck yeah, dad. Yes. My cousin and I sit upstairs frozen until they call us down.
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To our horror, the basement door that leads to outside is open, which it clearly was not
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when we were down there. So someone was standing there in the dark behind one of those rooms, curtained off by
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sheets, whistling at two little girls and hightailed out the door and we screamed and
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ran up the stairs. My cousin's house burned down twice after that over a period of seven years.
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What the fuck? Yeah. The first time, according to firefighters' official reports, the fire started downstairs in the basement in the middle of a concrete floor, how, ruining all of downstairs and the majority of everything they owned.
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So they rebuilt and finished the basement. The second fire supposedly started upstairs in a bookshelf, no explanation of how or source, no candles around, nothing.
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Insurance later dropped them because they could not explain how the fire started and suspected arson.
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Whoa. Oh, needless to say, my cousin and I can't help but feel like that creepy Sunday afternoon
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whistle had something to do with the fires. Oh, and they're still living in that house.
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Stay sexy. And if you hear a whistle, run or move, Lauren. Holy shit. How creepy is that?
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Also, because if it say it just is worst case scenario, it's some sex offender that's like
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hiding. Yeah, like that's the worst case scenario is a sex offender hiding in the basement where
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two little girls are fucking doing laundry. But then it would make sense. That's horrible.
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If that person continues to live and be in that house, that he's a firestata. Yeah.
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He's a firestata. Wheat-woo. Wheat-woo. Named Mr. Wheat-woo. Oh, Jerry Wheat-woo.
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He got him jailed six months ago. Okay. This subject line is, from faking your own death in Mexico to owning a pizza place in
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South Carolina. Hello, ladies, Stephen and animals. When my husband, then boyfriend, and I first moved to Columbia, South Carolina over 12 years
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ago, we found a group of friends to play bar trivia with I was mostly along to write the answers on the paper to keep score and occasionally It a very important job That right It has to be clear writing Occasionally answer
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a very recent bullshit pop culture question. Amen. As this friend group was freaky smart.
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Love it. Over the course of four years, we won $1,000 in bar taps and cash. Holy shit.
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Including two $1,000 summer tournaments. That's amazing. Oh my God. I want to go with them.
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They're smart. Every Thursday, we would go to this bar called Bay's and play and win.
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It turns out Bay's was named after the owner Bay Rutherford. He was around a lot. I met him on several occasions and was known for being kind of a creep.
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Hiring and hitting on young college girls, he was probably in his late 40s, shorting his workers on their pay and tips, and overall just being a douche.
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Thanks to an article in a local independent newspaper, we learned that Bay had been convicted of faking his own death by burning a body in his car.
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along with some of his personal effects, Michael Clayton style, in Mexico in the 90s.
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He lost a bunch of money in the stock market and he wanted a way out. So he robbed a grave in Mexico, burned the body in the car,
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threw in his medical alert bracelet and watch, which is dead on Michael Clayton.
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And not medical alert bracelet. Michael Clayton's like, I'm allergic to nuts. do not resuscitate me and even went so far as to take a tooth from the dead guy and give it to his
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wife to give to investigators if they came around so she knew and she was like here's my dna and i
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like this is rotten um holy shit also forensic dentistry doesn't work that way where they're
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like uh yes ma'am do you have any of your husband's teeth yeah we need to take them in
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That's the only way we can get it. It's the only way. He had $7 million out in life insurance on himself.
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Too much life insurance. That's seven red flags. And he was hoping to cash it in later when his wife claimed it.
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Luckily, a bone expert noticed some inconsistencies from the burned body and figured out it wasn't Bay.
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Nice. He was caught in NYC, convicted, and served five years, which is the max. That's it?
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She says the max, I think. Okay. Before we heard about this, we almost felt bad for going to Baze almost every Thursday for over a year and a half and never spending an actual dime of our own money.
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But fuck that guy. The faking his death part of the story can be watched on Forensic Files Season 8, Episode 31.
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Oh, that's good. Or Collection 4, Episode 14 on Netflix. Love it. Love your specificity.
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You should fucking, you should play trivia. Trivia. About Netflix and Forensic Files.
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That's right. Love your show. Can't wait to see you in Charleston next month, which is pretty soon.
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Stay sexy. Don't feel bad about winning money from a felon. Lauren. That's good.
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That's a good one. Yeah. That's two Laurens so far. Yeah, that's right. Wow. I mean, it sounds like a victimless crime because you're just fucking over a fucking life insurance corporation.
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But the body who they stole from belonged to a family. And that's got to just be traumatizing all over again.
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someone's father or uncle or relative brother it's well also just the idea that you would be
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enough of a creep to be like oh i want to keep my money i'm gonna i'm gonna dig up a body yeah
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like and take a tooth from it come on guys let's not don't have some accountability please stop it
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My mom and I used to have a summer home in North Carolina. One summer, roughly 15 years ago when I was about eight, our Jack Russell Terrier, Jill,
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started going insane. Jack and Jill, because she was a Jack Russell Terrier. Jack and Jill.
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That's cute. Started going insane. She would run around barking, staring at the walls and ceilings.
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During this time, some of our stuff went missing. Just a few small things that weren important enough to worry about One night my mom came into my room to check if I was asleep only to find a tiny furry creature with huge eyes staring at her
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while drinking out of my glass of water. What? Turns out there was a family of flying squirrels living in our tiny attic.
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This is a Finding Things in the Wall story, by the way. How cute would that be? You open the door and there's just a little tiny tongue.
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unless it's rabid yes and next to your child yeah my mom watched as a squirrel flew through the air
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right next to her face and dashed into my bathroom and then it says flying squirrels
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could fly very well even though it's actually just gliding not knowing what else to do she
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shut the door and covered the crack at the bottom with a towel then she went to grab a butterfly net
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not sure that would have helped much when she went back into my bathroom net in hand she saw
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the squirrel in my bathtub and this is all caps and it kills me playing with my bath toys
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let it live there startle the squirrel made its way to a slightly ajar cabinet and through the
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tiniest and through the tiniest hole in the wall my mom realized that the butterfly net would not
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be sufficient in catching the creature and call the pest control or some other animal removal
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company the following day i was playing with her bath that's like i'm a baby so cute it's so cute
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they came within a day or so and found that they had made our attic their new home they removed
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the family flying squirrels and released them outside i'm not sure where but far enough away
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that they couldn't come back once they were gone we got to see everything they had stashed up there
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because all that tiny shit was going missing sure enough all the things that had been going
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missing were there including several of my bath toys and my favorite eye pillow they were just
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taking shit and running off. They basically, that bathroom had become like their FAO Schwartz.
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They were just like, check out this sponge that's shaped like an ice cream cone. I am freaking out.
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I just love like the idea that a squirrel, who you think is just like a boring thing, was like, this toy's the best.
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I'm taking it. And I'm going to go back for more. That's right. It was good to find our stuff as well as to know that our dog
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was not actually crazy about that issue. Though she still was nuts, pun intended.
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Oh, I get it. Stay sexy. Remember, your crazy dog might actually have a point. Natalie.
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Oh, Natalie. That's a good one. Yeah. That's so cute. Flying squirrel drinking out of a glass.
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Click, click, click, click. Pardon me. Okay. The subject line of this is, my literal job is finding stuff in walls.
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This is slightly long, but it's really worth it. I am here for it. Hi, Karen in Georgia.
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Imagine my delight when I realized your obsession with finding shit in walls was very real.
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Clearly, you are operating on my level of obsession, which is basically the doctoral level of finding shit in walls.
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I am director of museums for Historic Charleston Foundation in Charleston. Oh, my God.
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South Carolina. Charleston, that's a whole sentence. As a historian and preservationist in charge of two sites in the historic district, we find, all caps, a lot of shit in walls.
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Here's the latest and greatest story. One of the house museums I oversee is called the Nathaniel Russell House.
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It was built by, hey, you guessed it, Nathaniel Russell in 1808. Wow. The original house consisted of an enormous three-story federal mansion, kitchen house, carriage house, work yard, and garden.
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Russell moved into the house in the spring of 1808 with his wife, two daughters, aged 19 and 17, and 18 enslaved men and women.
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We have owned the Russell House since 1955, and since 1989, much time, funding, and effort has been poured into the study and restoration of the main house.
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As such, it is a pristine example of the towering wealth of slave owners in the early 19th century, whereas the areas inhabited by those 18 enslaved people were used for offices or storage and were not considered essential to the telling of the full history of the house.
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Sorry. Right. Needless to say, that line of thinking has evolved. And last year we began an intensive study of the kitchen house to learn more about the lives of those living and working in the kitchen, laundry and living quarters between 1808 and 1865.
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I should add that since very little about the daily lives of enslaved of the enslaved survives in written record.
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It's only through forensic evidence and archaeology that we're able to piece together what life was like.
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Wow. Even microscopic traces of pink can tell us volumes about a room from 200 years ago.
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We began our study of the kitchen house by assessing the structure and realized that the upstairs living quarters were drywalled in the early 20th century.
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Oh, shit. And we could hear voids behind it when we tapped along the walls. A contractor on our team used a very small reciprocating straw to cut a small hole in the drywall, and we were astounded by what we found underneath.
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Behind the drywall, perfectly encapsulated, was the original plaster walls of the first period slave quarters, complete with original lime wash.
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We were amazed since features like this don't survive 200 years of renovation. But as we removed drywall, we realized that practically everything in the room was original to the period of enslavement.
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Plaster, woodwork, paint finishes, window sashes, doors, everything. As the drywall came down, the room transformed, and we were looking at the same walls from the early 1800s.
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Oh, my God. It was an incredibly emotional day, thinking about how everything we could see was built by the enslaved,
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from the bricks and mortar to the plaster and paint, and these surfaces hadn't been seen for at least 100 years.
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This was a living space for enslaved people and probably the only place in the house they could have a moment piece, if any.
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It was like a sacred place, to say the least. So then it gets better. Oh my god.
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As we rounded the corner and continued to remove drywall, we discovered tons of debris packed in between the studs and baseboards.
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Well, all that shit ended up being the remains of several undisturbed rats' nests.
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finding a rat's nest is like Christmas morning for preservationists. Oh, because they take it and run.
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Yep, we were literally jumping for joy. Holy shit. Rats tend to gather items from a 50-foot radius,
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pack it in there, and then pee all over it. And thankfully, rat pee is a preservative.
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Holy shit. So even if a nest is hundreds of years old, the things in it tend to stay intact over many years.
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Oh my god. They're like tiny time capsules. if time capsules were full of gnawed bones,
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mummified rat poop, and a shitload of sweet artifacts. Fun. We wasted no time pulling all that shit literally out of the walls.
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I'll attach a photo of us combing through one of eight rat nests so you can see how much debris we are talking about.
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We spent several days painstakingly combing through the debris and removing artifacts.
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We uncovered hundreds of artifacts these fucking rats had straight up stolen from the people living in the kitchen house.
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We found buttons, stockings, marbles, straight pins, a portion of a waistcoat, a veil from a bonnet, hundreds of bones from butchered animals.
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They were likely stealing these from the kitchen one floor down. We found a small lidded paper box containing a cake of makeup.
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Oh, my God. The most exciting finds, however, were two fragments of paper. One was a minuscule bit of newspaper with the name Crookshank on it.
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My colleague was quickly able to search the historic newspaper database and match it with the digitized original, which dated from November 1833.
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Holy shit. It was incredible to know that everything we were looking at was from such an early period.
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However, it gets better. The most intriguing artifact retrieved from the nest was a tiny fragment of a reading primer This one made us all tear up when we realized what it was You see reading and writing was illegal for enslaved people in South Carolina in 1833 Despite this
00:25:50
someone living above the kitchen at the Russell House got their hands on a reading primer and
00:25:54
were possibly learning to read and write. Holding the physical evidence of potential resistance
00:25:59
was one of the most powerful moments of my career. So that's my touching story of finding
00:26:04
shit in walls. The kitchen house restoration is still ongoing. You can come see it when you come
00:26:09
to Charleston in September. Dude. And we are in the fundraising period now, hoping to fund a full
00:26:14
restoration of the kitchen house so it can be put on public view along with the artifacts we pulled
00:26:20
out of the walls. Telling the story, the full story of Charleston and its complicated and painful
00:26:25
past is basically my reason for living at this point. So it is important, especially in this
00:26:30
political climate. Thank you so much for keeping me company during long hours of cataloging museum
00:26:35
objects. You guys are the best. Cannot wait to see you in September. SSD GM Lauren. Lauren number
00:26:42
three. Really? Yeah, that's crazy. Holy shit. That is incredible. Isn't that amazing? So incredible
00:26:49
story. If you the she's the director of museums for the historic Charleston Foundation. So whenever
00:26:57
the historic Charleston Foundation starts that fundraising campaign, there's nothing
00:27:04
I'd love more than to see that house. Me too. Well, we're actually, so we're recording this early because we're going this weekend to
00:27:10
our tour. So let's just go knock on that fucking kitchen house door. Hi. Hey, can you come in?
00:27:16
We'll go there, but we'll be wearing gloves and masks and booties on our shoes. Totally.
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Steven has the photos Oh oh We put them up on Instagram and Twitter and shit oh my god facebook that so much stuff oh that is creepy and looks so much fun wow that like bones
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that's very it's like american indiana jones um can people who are who work in museums i know like
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a lot of museums have their like their shit that they that they just store that they don't have out
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like send us the weirdest thing you have or the creepiest thing you have or your your favorite
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thing that you have in there. It sounds like you're trying to rip off Don Wildman's Mysteries
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at the Museum. Please, essentially Don Wildman us. We want to bite that Don Wildman
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style. That's right. And we want you to Mysteries at the Museum email us. Because there's nothing more fascinating than
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the real stuff. The real history. Which is, by the way, you should watch the show. It's a great show.
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However, we want the ones that Don Wildman doesn't want. They can't tell every story.
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Episode Highlights

  • Taco Bell's New Salsa
    Introducing Taco Bell's jalapeno citrus salsa, perfect for any item on the Cantina Chicken Menu.
    “But when the sauce is this good, the food is just there to get the sauce to your mouth.”
    @ 00m 46s
    September 24, 2018
  • John List's Dark Family Tragedy
    A listener shares a chilling connection to the infamous John List family murder case.
    “It's so dark.”
    @ 04m 54s
    September 24, 2018
  • Creepy Basement Whistle
    A childhood story reveals a terrifying experience involving a mysterious whistle in a basement.
    “Stay sexy and don't get murdered.”
    @ 06m 27s
    September 24, 2018
  • Bay's Creepiness Exposed
    The owner of a bar faked his own death, leading to a shocking revelation.
    “Holy shit.”
    @ 12m 15s
    September 24, 2018
  • Discovering History in the Walls
    A team uncovers original plaster walls and artifacts in a historic kitchen house.
    “We were looking at the same walls from the early 1800s.”
    @ 23m 16s
    September 24, 2018
  • The Emotional Impact of Discovery
    The emotional weight of finding evidence of enslaved people's lives is profound.
    “It was an incredibly emotional day, thinking about how everything we could see was built by the enslaved.”
    @ 23m 24s
    September 24, 2018
  • Artifacts from the Past
    Hundreds of artifacts recovered from rat nests reveal stories of the enslaved.
    “We uncovered hundreds of artifacts these fucking rats had straight up stolen from the people living in the kitchen house.”
    @ 24m 51s
    September 24, 2018
  • A Fragment of Hope
    A tiny reading primer found sparks hope for the literacy of enslaved individuals.
    “Holding the physical evidence of potential resistance was one of the most powerful moments of my career.”
    @ 25m 59s
    September 24, 2018
  • The Ongoing Restoration
    The kitchen house restoration is ongoing, aiming to tell a fuller story of Charleston's past.
    “You can come see it when you come to Charleston in September.”
    @ 26m 04s
    September 24, 2018

Episode Quotes

  • It's so dark.
    MFM Minisode 89
  • Stay sexy and don't get murdered.
    MFM Minisode 89
  • What a crazy story that you know one of your parents has.
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  • It's just so unfair.
    MFM Minisode 89
  • Finding a rat's nest is like Christmas morning for preservationists.
    MFM Minisode 89

Key Moments

  • Dark Family Story04:54
  • Creepy Whistle09:15
  • Faked Death12:48
  • Flying Squirrels17:46
  • Finding Shit in Walls20:33
  • Emotional Discovery23:24
  • Artifacts Uncovered24:51
  • Restoration Efforts26:04

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