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See nutrition info on Hero.co for sodium and sugar content. Hello, and welcome. This is my favorite murder. It's a true crime comedy podcast that we do for you bi-weekly.
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Weekly. It's weekly. Oh, well, then the other one, right? It's twice a week. Yeah, so twice a week, but this is the long form version.
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This is the real one. The other one's fake. It's fake. It's more of a holdover. Yeah, but this is the real deal. Right. And that's Karen Kilgara. And that's Georgia Hardstark. And that's who we are.
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Stephen Ray Morris is holding down the ones and twos. Stephen's there. Elvis is on my lap.
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All is right with the world. That's right. You have your nice mug of tea. I'm literally drinking some what Georgia described as lemon balm tea.
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So I hope there's a little bit of melted lip balm there. I hope that's what you gave me as a gift.
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My gift to you. Oh, can I tell you? you know all these dumb tea bags with their dumb tea things and their dumb quotes and shit yeah
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this one just says be curious fuck you we're curious about what the fuck lemon balm tea is
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also i'm going to yeah you know don't fucking tell me because if they think that you're just
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like this boring person living your life and then you need tea to come tell you how to live your
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fucking life listen lemon balm you don't know me you don't know my family stay out of it you don't
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know my level of curiosity. I'm up your ass. I've already Googled you. Right. Lemon balm.
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What if your name is Jonathan Van Ness and you have a podcast about being curious already?
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And Jonathan Van Ness is like, I need to do more for you. Yeah. He's like, oh, I guess
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I should cancel my podcast because I'm not curious enough. According to tea. Sorry, lemon
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balm. Jesus tea. What more do you want from our lives? Get out of our face. Hey, speaking
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of fall things and all the fall living your life tea things, we'd like to give a shout out to Circleville, Ohio
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and their Circleville Pumpkin Show, which is really a festival so I don't know why they call it a show.
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I feel like that's part of the charm of the Circleville Pumpkin Show is that they
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think they're a show. You can go. It's October 17th to the 20th in Circleville, Ohio.
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We're not going, but you should fucking talk. We would go. I would love, a lot of people have tweeted and said,
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are you guys going to make a surprise? I wish. And I truly would do, I would love nothing more,
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but we have to go up to the Pacific Northwest this weekend. So we can't. That'll be great.
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That'll be balmy and lemony too. Yeah. There's going to be tons of lemon balm tea up there.
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Yes. But please, if you're anywhere near Circleville, Ohio, which means near Columbus,
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it's Columbus. That's where it, it came out of our live Columbus show from last year.
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The Circleville Pumpkin Murders. No, the Circleville Letter. The Letter Writer. The Mysterious Letter Writer.
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Which I then did for Drunk History. Oh, right. But I forgot while you were telling the story.
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That's how drunk I was. You had a recovered drunk memory, which is the best. If you ever want to know if the show is real,
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if people really get drunk on it just know I couldn remember that I had done that I didn remember the story Until you were like this is hold on a second I having horrible memories of this
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And just in case you were in, if you're a pageant person, you can run for Circleville Miss Pumpkin, right, Stephen?
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Is it Miss Pumpkin? Yeah, I believe it's Miss Pumpkin, and then there's Little Miss Pumpkin.
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I'm going to run for Little Miss Pumpkin. There's two ways to be beautiful at the Circleville Pumpkin Show.
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get over there see what you how you rate where a murderino so you can identify other murderino
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people you guys can all gather eat i hope there's fried pumpkin there because that's absolutely my
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favorite food in the world anything fried pumpkin anything with pumpkin and i want to eat and i don't
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mean pumpkin spice fuck pumpkin spice okay i want the when i get tempura and that fucking piece of
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pumpkin is in there fried oh yeah yeah i'm going out of my mind i see that it is very delicious
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i agree what steven say oh there's a pet parade oh my god on friday next level holy shit pets will be there in their costumes there's no reason not to go to the circleville
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pumpkin show elvis i'm dressing you up in solidarity and sending you out in a fedex box
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sorry buddy you're gonna appear as a fedex box at the circleville pumpkin show this weekend
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And burst like a cake bursts out of a FedEx box. Like a stripper. Like the stripper he is.
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We have more news to announce. Yeah, more. That's their project. We have our own project.
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Do you want to go first or do you want me to go first? Well, I guess it's pretty big news.
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A couple people have tweeted and asked us this when we announced the book. Right, we wrote a book called Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered.
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It's being written as a, or like. It was a dual memoir, is what they're calling it.
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Which I think might be the first of its kind. That's right. And we're just here to announce now, we get to announce, we will be reading our own audiobook.
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Of course we will be. I mean, who the fuck else is going to do it? We suggested Paul Giamatti.
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But he's very busy on billions. Apparently. So go to Audible or anywhere that you listen to your audiobooks.
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And you can pre-order it. Pre-order that shit and then get ready for us to read you a book.
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You're going to get so sick of our voices. It's going to be really embarrassing, like, reading some of that shit out loud.
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I'm going to love every moment of it. I'm going to cherish my own instrument and listen to myself for the first time ever.
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We should have an alternative Paul Giamatti version, just in case people don't want to listen to us.
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If anyone is Paul Giamatti's agent or representative... Cousin? Cousin would be great.
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Like, you could get him at Thanksgiving. Linda Giamatti? Linda? Nay. Nay. What's her new last name?
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Bittorino? McGillicuddy? Linda, we would love it if you would hook us up and have Paul.
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I think he would actually nail it. Get him nice and drunk on vodka and lemon balm tea.
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Okay. Apparently that's a new thing. That's a new cocktail. Did you just make that up?
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Yeah. I mean, it's just vodka with lemon balm tea. Vodka and hot tea. Put some bitters in there.
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That's actually be nice for your throat. It might be kind of bitter as it is. That's true.
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And get Paul Giamatti to sign the papers. We'll send them to you, Linda. God, this is...
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Linda, thanks so much for doing this job with us. Yeah. we really appreciate all the work you do that's right you'll get a special thank you in the notes
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linda mckillicuddy giamatti you are our new manager um meredith you're fired sorry uh
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oh i also also oh hey don't fast forward yet this is really exciting today which is thursday which
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is tomorrow for us our new line of fucking merch is coming out fall merch fall merch that also
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includes the much fucking anticipated pet merch finally we can talk about it yeah so a bunch of
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shit's coming out um thursday today my favorite murder.com and then go to the store there's a
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bunch of new quotes like uh you've seen some of them at the live shows uh what in the fucking fuck
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a classic spell it like you say it great fucking hooray uh and then fucking hooray is a really cool
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kind of disco lettering that I love. Yeah, it's all really cool font that we specifically made people change 14
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times until we were satisfied with it, because that's how we are. A little closer, a little closer.
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And then, very excited to announce our two new special, they're called Classic Eco Jersey Jogger Pants.
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The fuck is sweatpants, people! Sweatpants, baby! And one of them says, fuck you, I'm married.
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And I could not be more excited to get these for myself. Hey, are you a newlywed or an oldlywed?
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Is your friend about to get married and she needs something to wear on her wedding day,
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getting dressed up in the photos? Or do you have a sibling that's just some, has been married for 30 years and is totally
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over it? Well, it sounds like you need to get these sweatpants. So there's two sweatpants.
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And then our fucking pet line, which is so exciting. We, Karen has a, oh my God, you guys have to see this.
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So it's the dog, Karen's dogs. I'm coming out with a fiercely private t-shirt of Frank and George.
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that Chris Fairbanks drew, who I do the other podcast, Do You Need a Ride With? And he is an amazing graphic designer and illustrator.
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So he drew a picture of George drinking water out of the glass, like the video that I posted about six months ago on Twitter,
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and then a picture of Frank, who is basically, I think he's smoking a cigar. It looks like a cigar.
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He's smoking a cigar. And it says in beautiful font. It's like such a cool punk rock shirt.
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I love it. But then, hey, if you're not a dog person and you're a cat person, our friend Michael Ramstad who created the really beautiful chalk outline like cartoony drawings of
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us that we use all the time and the earliest I think drawing of yeah that he did for us and we're
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like can we buy that from you we love it he's so talented he did an Elvis design for us it's Elvis
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want a cookie and it's fucking cool it's so cute it's got Elvis on it I love it and then we also
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have those that are available for pets for like dogs t your dog can wear a shirt of my dog And then if your dog is an asshole or hates everyone there one that says here the thing fuck everyone That a dog shirt I don need to tell you There more There even more
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Really good stuff for the pet line. Yeah. Colors, bowls. Exactly. You know it. Myfavoritemurder.com.
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Go to the store. It'll be up there. We're very excited to be bringing you merch.
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And there's more to come. Merch that appeals to you. And we're very excited to be getting so much beautiful art
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and things that you guys create and make about this show. One of which, a person named Callie Lawson,
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who is Callie Lawson Art on Instagram, drew a picture of Cody the Chainsaw Chicken,
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which was a story that we just did. This week on the minisode. It came out Monday.
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And I think she immediately drew this picture. And it is hauntingly beautiful. It's gorgeous.
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it's a child on a bmx bike with a chainsaw a slung over his shoulder described him that you
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wanted him to be he's looking up at a fucking utility pole in the most you don't even see his
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face and the way he's looking at it with like reverence and awe he's about to do some shit and
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his like little ears are sticking out because he's a kid oh it's beautiful thank you kelly lawson so
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much it's uh it's a wonderful it's a wonderful picture yeah and thank you once again to nick
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Terry, who has made yet another hilarious video of the wheat woo conversation we had about Georgia not being able to whistle.
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And what's his Instagram? He started a new Instagram of just the MFM animations.
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You can find them all in one place. MFM underscore animated. On Instagram. That's so great. Thank you, Nick Terry.
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And he'll be at our Seattle show, so we should give him a shout out there. Oh, very cool.
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Finally, we'll stop talking. Speaking about live show we're not gonna fucking ever stop talking oh i forgot that's our whole podcast
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is that's all this is um halloween show it's on halloween you've heard of it it's at the
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microsoft theater it's going to be literally fucking huge 7 000 fucking people what's up
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los angeles i'm terrified uh we're karen and i are dressing up as in as a surprise costume and
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we want everyone's been asking should we dress up yes we highly recommend dressing up in costume
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every person I run into is like, I'm going. I immediately ask what you're going to dress up as.
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It's going to be great. So yes, dress up. Steven. You can ask an announcement. I love that you did this.
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I just wanted to, just so people, you know, our costumes could be very colorful and I just didn't want anyone to get kicked out, you know?
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Good. Just in case. You lose an essential part of their costume. So yeah, hatchets, probably don't bring.
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Any weaponry of any kind, do not bring it with you. Even though you're Michael Myers and you're like,
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but it's my thing, don't bring a knife. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, it's all that common sense stuff.
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And then I guess if you want to bring like a poster or a banner or a red flag, it has to be smaller than 11 by 17 and not on a pole.
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That seemed like the most important thing. Okay. Not on a pole. So like not on a stick or anything.
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Yeah, yeah. Don't bring a stick. Or don't let it strip for a living. Oh. Either way.
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I mean, if you can make a living stripping, go for it. Ain't no thing, baby. No.
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That's a Missy Elliott quote. Yeah. And that's pretty much it. Shoes for safety.
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Please wear shoes. That's basically it. You can't go as the barefoot Contessa. Oh, my God.
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Is someone going to do it now? Maybe a zombie barefoot Contessa. I love it. Okay.
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Okay. This is an email that got sent. And this is off of our last, the last live show we posted was from Durham.
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And I did the Lawson family murders. And that was the story. Well, I'll just read this to you.
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Hi, hilarious people in your menageries. I loved seeing you in Charlotte. I gave you the treasure chest with a mini Elvis for Georgia and $2 coins for Karen.
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I have that mini Elvis. It was at the bottom of the bag when I unpacked. You stall.
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No, it was just in the bag. I'll give it back. Damn it. So listening to your live Durham episode, though, I was horrified slash delighted to hear Karen tell the story of the Lawson family murders.
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I'm an English teacher, and while I currently teach college English, my very first teaching position was at North Stokes High School,
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a stone's throw from the old Lawson family property. I knew nothing about it, but on Halloween that first year,
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when I let the kids tell scary stories instead of, you know, teaching them things,
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the kids collectively told me the entire Lawson family murder story. I love that this class full of kids was like, yeah, and then my mom says it.
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I love it. Did she say high school? Because I'm imagining children in her. She, uh, first high school.
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Yeah. Oh, great. Well, I'm like, my mom told me. It's because she said the kids collectively.
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Yeah. Okay. Um, it's much cuter if it's first graders. Okay. So I didn't believe it at first, but I did notice that I had quite a few students with
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the last name Lawson and come to find out that many of them were descendants of the Lawson
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family. They all knew the gory details because they'd all grown up hearing their parents talk about
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it. One student, get ready, has a great aunt who, all caps, still owns her stolen cake raisin.
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No. Yep. Preserved in a small glass box. Holy shit. I tell the story. There was a cake that was on the table when these murders happened.
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It was a Christmas cake and it had raisins sprinkled on the top. Gross. Georgia was very upset about raisins on a cake.
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Yes. We talked about it forever. Someone ended up buying that cake and keeping it for a while.
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apparently this person's great aunt stole the cake a raisin off the cake when she did her walk
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through and then kept it in glass in a glass box okay so back to the letter this that was all me
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talking okay naturally i demanded to see it and she brought it in for sure until a week later
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the kids offered to take me to the pain road location but i declined because you know teenagers
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are teenagers are already scary enough another weird connection the pain family that the road
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is named Red Payne was my great uncle Wow of which she saying the pain family that the road
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is named after got it red pain is her great uncle that's a terrifying name best susan then she then
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she tells a whole big long ghost story that i can't get into now but we will save it for a different
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mini so please do yeah i got a ton of letters of people from that same show who were like
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yeah that's those are my family members too the store the bitter blood murders which i'll read it
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at a hometown at some point i think that happens when it's like the small town infancy yeah that's
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what's that's what's so scary about picking murders for live shows is that you don't want
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something like the dublin show when someone goes that's my what did they say that's my cousin
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you're like oh no are you mad at me they were so into it they were great um cool all right anything
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else i think that's well oh this was just an email from the um the this is actually awesome
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this is the minneapolis murderino group and it says dear mfm fam inspired by the yoga renos
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i hosted a social movement um a couple of social movement classes yesterday at six degrees in
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minneapolis which i guess is a yoga studio we raised five hundred dollars for end the backlog
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We also showed that even when the world seems inexorably fucked, we can still do things to support ourselves and others.
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My fellow teachers wanted in on the do-gooding, so now I'm organizing a full series.
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Every second Sunday of every month, one of our teachers will host a free class with donations going to a non-profit they care about.
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The next two are already scheduled, with November donations going to benefit Tubman, a local group helping over 25,000 victims of trauma each year from fleeing war-torn areas to experiencing sex trafficking and intimate partner violence.
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And in December, Camp Bovee, a summer camp for city kids who live in poverty and otherwise wouldn't get to experience the super fun of getting eaten alive by mosquitoes, trying to watch the campfire smell from your hair, and writing pitiful letters home begging for parents to come pick them up.
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You know, fun summer camp shit. SSDGM, Letta. Oh, my God. That's beautiful. So the yoga, that's the coolest thing that people are really kind of building this in.
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That is just our, in our passing, I want to get into yoga thing. Now suddenly people are like, we're going to be doing some shit.
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It's a great way to like do something for yourself. Even if you don't feel, you know, people sometimes don't do things because they don't feel worth self-care.
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Sure. But it's like, well, I'm doing something for someone else. So it's a great way.
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It's not about you. Yeah. It's a good Kickstarter. So good job, Minneapolis Murderinos.
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Thank you for taking that. And I would just like to say, yes, the yoga has fallen away, but the swimming has taken over.
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And I just ordered, based on someone's recommendation on Twitter, I just ordered a waterproof iPod that I can listen to while I swim my lap.
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That's a thing? Uh-huh. I'll swim now, too. No, I won't. But I might. You could try.
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I could try. It's really, here's what I'll say. Not drinking coffee and swimming is like the most relaxed and low key I've been in three fucking years.
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Congratulations. Thank you. I'll drink my canned wine to that. I also just, just on a personal note, slammed my elbow into the wall right before I left my house to come over here.
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and it feels broken and like it feels like my entire arm is broken. Oh shit. You know when you like hit...
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It's red. I was walking... Is it? I was walking full speed into the kitchen and just was putting my purse over my shoulder
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at the same time. And clonked into it. Just right on the edge. It looks broken. It's broken.
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It looks like it's falling off. Ooh. Oh, gangrene. I say gangrene. Now I'm doing the scarecrow from Wizard of Oz.
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Yeah, it's pretty fucking... All right, that's just a personal update. No, I love it.
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I appreciate it. It feels like we haven't recorded one of these in so long. I know.
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Okay. That's right. You ready? I think so. Should we do this? Let's do it. All right.
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Hey, it's mid-October. Oh, my sister's birthday is today. Happy birthday, Lee. Happy birthday, Lee.
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It's mid-October. Everyone's favorite time of year. Halloween. Everyone loves it.
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Yes or no? Absolutely. Are you about to tell me the plot of the movie of Halloween?
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I am going to read you the original screenplay of the movie, Halloween. Love nothing more.
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There's so much silence. I was just like, I didn't really prepare this week. So no, no, but I am going to go in a weird direction.
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And I'm going to describe and explain some instances and the instances and the urban legend and the trutiness to it of poison Halloween candy.
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Yes, this is great. Yay. I'm glad you're here with me. Listen, I would like to go ahead and thank almost exclusively Snopes.com.
00:25:46
Nice. One of my favorite time wasters back when I had a desk job. Yeah. And our old friend Wikipedia.
00:25:53
Best info right there. That as a married couple is all you need on the internet.
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I mean, you're the smartest person in the fucking room. Yes. At your desk. You could actually use Snopes on Wikipedia.
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Oh my God. Not a bad idea. No. I just thought of that for myself. Snopesopedia. What if that's a new thing?
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Who, will somebody invent this, this new third thing and then give us a cut? Yeah.
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And then we'll just read from that. No, I'm not. I'm kind of. Okay, I'm not. Okay. So let's start with let's start with it. All right. So the stories of crazy people passing out poison candy or candy that has razor blades or needles in it has been around for fucking decades as an urban legend. And it makes sense because every 364 days of the year, we tell kids don't take candy from strangers.
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And then one day we're like, go get free candy from strangers. It's a can. The candy purge is really where every all the rules are gone.
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That's right. You could do what you want and you can stab people. It's very confusing for children.
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It's so great. And you can stab. What isn't fucking confusing for children? Kids are pretty stupid.
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It's and everyone lies to them. That's right. Constant lying. That's exactly right.
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So actually, I didn't know this. And Snopes told me and Landers, you know, go ask and Landers.
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what was it called dear abby thank you they each you know it's two sisters right so i was columns
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so one was dear abby and one was ann landers i think okay i think they're two different because
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one's yes dear abby is abigail vampiro okay then ann is go ask ann lander you know or column uh
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she published a column in 1995 that said quote in recent years there have been reports of people
00:27:30
with twisted minds putting razor blades and poison in taffy apples and halloween candy which is like
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Well, you're spreading that. Go ask Anne. And also, sorry, Anne, but taffy apples are from 1920.
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So this is all bullshit. Okay. And according to Snopes, since 1959, there have been around 80 reports of sharp objects in food.
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And some hospitals and police departments, they've started to offer to x-ray the candy in children's that they got before eating, which sounds like a blast for kids.
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And actually, I first heard about that when Vince told me about it. Oh, really? That when he was a kid in Michigan, outside of Detroit, they'd get dressed up and go trick
00:28:10
or treating and then not get home and go through and eat all their candy, then go to the police
00:28:14
station and have it fucking x-rayed. And I asked him for more details. And he's like, no, it just happened like every year.
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So that was standard in his town. I think it was standard in his town. He's like, it sucked.
00:28:25
It was also true that my like his family all worked in the police department. So I think that they like insisted upon it.
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But yeah, it was standard. That's what kids did. that's amazing i yeah i i always thought all of that was bullshit i thought yeah that was just as
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much a story as the razor blades themselves that part's true i don't know if it's still happening
00:28:42
but i imagine there's got to be some towns all i remember is my mom now now i know being high
00:28:48
and stealing my fucking candy when i got home good shit yeah that's right sorry mom you grab
00:28:53
those snickers she's like oh you can have the sweet tarts she knows yeah thanks mom i don't want
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the fucking whoppers or whatever um and but the majority of those reports turned out to be hoaxes
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and even when the stories were true it was usually a family member fucking with someone else in their
00:29:08
family or a little kid being like look at his poison on it but he had like dipped it in poison
00:29:11
and not eaten it and shown them and then just being a little shithead go to your room forever
00:29:17
forever you little shit okay so i'm going to tell you some stories of when it was true-ish
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you know kind of okay and why and maybe that helped help the rumors abound sure well because
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you only really need one of those stories for people to freak out because it's like
00:29:33
it's somebody once a year is going to try to kill your child right a hidden thing and a lot of these
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are like something happened and it blew up in the media and then when they found out what really
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happened that didn't get covered as much so in people's minds it's true yeah so let's start in
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1964. The normal media cycle. Right. Yeah. So 1964 Helen Fleel I don know how to P Spell it like you say it Yeah that looks I think Fleel is good In Greenlaw New York she was a housewife and she got caught handing out packages of
00:30:09
inedible treats in what she described as a joke. She had become annoyed that a bunch of trick-or-treaters were showing up that were like teenagers
00:30:19
and too old to be trick-or-treating. Yeah. And so she was pissed off at them. And so she was like, I'm going to make up these little packages to give out to the fucking little bratty 16 year olds.
00:30:28
OK. And the packages were dog biscuits, steel wool pads and arsenic laced ant poison buttons.
00:30:38
Oh, no. So she's like, I don't know, somehow do that. She was crazy. She was crazy and kind of a bitch.
00:30:46
OK. Right. Yeah. You can't give people arsenic of any kind. Even if it's a joke.
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Even as a hilarious joke. Oh, jokey prank. But they were clearly marked poison and labeled with a skull and crossbones.
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So like. Yeah, but you could have just written that somewhere and been like, get it, I'm trying to poison you and not actually do it.
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Yeah. Like, what if one of the kids had eaten it? You know, teenagers, they're really stupid.
00:31:07
Carol would have been like, oh, well, ha ha ha. Yeah. I'm so funny. So she told the teenagers that the packages were a joke when she handed it out.
00:31:15
It sounds like she was just trying to be the cool aunt. Oh, okay. And it got in it.
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And then. She was a little high. Yeah. Right. No one was harmed at all, but even so, the potential to harm was there, so she was charged by the police.
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She pled guilty to endangering children and eventually received a suspended sentence.
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Wow, dang it. Oh, no. She really regretted that hilarious joke. Joke's on you, Helen.
00:31:40
Helen, I get it. When you're always trying to be funny, it really fucks your life up.
00:31:45
I get you. In 1970, two days after Halloween, a five-year-old kid named Kevin lapsed into a coma and died four days later.
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And it came out that his family said that he had eaten some Halloween candy that was shown when they tested it had been sprinkled with heroin.
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Oh, my God. Right. It's so awful. It was reported as a real life example of what happens on Halloween, but was less likely was reported was that when police investigated further, they found that the boy had gotten into his uncle's heroin stash, consumed it.
00:32:27
And in a attempt to cover for their for the uncle had sprinkled the candy themselves with heroin.
00:32:36
Oh, no. I know. That's just that's just tragic all around. horrible but it's you know in people's minds that's it was a connection there right it's awful
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in 1990 a seven-year-old santa monica girl named ariel died on october 31st on halloween
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while trick-or-treating like while she was trick-or-treating the police um were a fear
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to mass random poisoning so they immediately conducted an intense door to her search
00:33:05
of the on the street where she had collapsed they thought other kids might have gotten poison
00:33:10
Halloween candy. So they blocked off the street. They took all the kids candy and questioned
00:33:15
everyone for several hours and interviewed residents and Halloween trick or treaters.
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What? I mean, yeah, the only kind, the only kind of trick or treaters. But in the end,
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it turned out that Ariel had actually died of congenital heart failure. It was just a
00:33:30
fucking huge coincidence. So it's well, here's the thing now, that's insanely tragic. So I don't
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mind that it's like guess what halloween's canceled yeah because it's like this is the
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worst thing that could happen and you shouldn't just pretend like it didn't happen uh it's awful
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so it's just awful 91 uh 1991 another suspected halloween poisoning occurred in washington dc
00:33:53
a 31 year old named kevin michael cherry of montgomery county died shortly after eating
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some of his kids halloween candy oh no and parents lost their shit dumped all their kids candy
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And but later it was determined that by an autopsy that he had died of congenital heart failure as well.
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Oh, wow. Yeah. But natural causes. Natural causes. Yeah. So then in 1996, seven year old, seven year old named Ferdinand of San Jose, California, collapsed on Halloween after eating candy and cookies he was given while trick or treating.
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Initial urinalysis. Urine analysis? Mm hmm. Is that urinalysis? I don't know. uh at the hospital showed traces of cocaine in a system oh no so everyone loses their shit
00:34:42
throw away all their candy but then tests come back and it was negative to cocaine and
00:34:46
the first results were wrong so uh the media had already picked it all up but later they found out
00:34:53
that um he had died of natural causes as well oh god i know oh it's just the worst yeah well and
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And it makes sense that like the media also has this big story. It's like sells papers.
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And then it's the truth of it is just tragic. It's just tragic and heartbreaking.
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So they put it in a little column as a follow up. Yeah. That no one even pays attention to.
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Because also everyone's already got. It doesn't make sense to just beg for free candy from strangers.
00:35:22
It's a weird tradition. Yeah. So people are. I feel like at any bad news, people are just like, well, let's just throw it all away.
00:35:30
Yeah. do you give out do you like stock your no one comes down our street because there's it's a
00:35:35
more popular like four blocks over oh yeah and so everyone on our street goes totally dark people
00:35:41
pretend everyone pretends they're not home love it and i've had one trick-or-treater it was the
00:35:46
cutest it was a little like a four-year-old girl and i think her a slightly older brother and i
00:35:52
just gave each of them half the bowl of candy i love it i was just like you guys are the only one I want to live in a place one day that does trick or treating Yeah Like I just have never lived in a place that does that
00:36:06
It's very, you know, it's the cutest. Well, in my hometown, Petaluma. Yeah. It's really big on D Street, which is the street with all the big old Victorian houses.
00:36:15
And people go crazy. They make their houses haunted houses. They make like, it's just total tradition.
00:36:22
It's really fun. Someday I need to go hang out with my nephews on that day instead of just not.
00:36:28
See what they're into. Right. Instead of going to all your parties. My fun things and my live show.
00:36:33
Actually, I'm not coming to the live show. I'm going to go trick-or-treating with my nephews.
00:36:37
Okay. I'll bring Nora down to co-host with me. Great. Sounds great. She's like, actually, I'd rather trick-or-treat.
00:36:43
Yeah, Nora's like, I have plans over on D Street. Thanks anyway. in the year 2000 a dude named James Joseph Smith of Minneapolis stuck needles in the Snickers bars
00:36:55
that he handed out this is the one we've all heard of to trick-or-treaters what year was it
00:37:00
sorry this is 2000 I'm sure it's happened before that yeah there were several children who bit into
00:37:05
the candy bars but there was only one teenager who was pricked by one of the needles and he
00:37:10
and it wasn't like bad but if I'm pricked by a needle I'm like I'm dying take me to the hospital
00:37:15
Yes. And also like a needle in your mouth, anywhere in your mouth is very upsetting.
00:37:20
Terrible. But police charged Smith with one count of adulterating a substance with intent to cause harm or illness.
00:37:28
I mean, that's really throw the book at him. Yeah. How about charging him with being a fucking creep?
00:37:36
A creepy dude and a dick. And an asshole. And keep your children away from him. 30 to 60 years.
00:37:43
Boom. For those charges. Did you know that? Sounds harsh, but have you ever met the creepy dick?
00:37:50
Yeah, you'd want them to go away for 30 years, too. Promise you. Minimum. And then in the town of Hercules, California, that's near you-ish?
00:37:58
Not really. Okay, great. In 2000, again, some trick-or-treaters. So these trick-or-treaters come home and they're like,
00:38:07
Mommy, Daddy, why are these little Snickers, the individual miniature Snicker bars,
00:38:12
like done up like little packets and there's some like there's some weird oregano in them
00:38:17
so they find these little packets of uh of pot tied up in these fucking snickers bars
00:38:25
like when they open the snickers it's pot yeah um so that really did happen and the police are like wait what the fuck the homeowners
00:38:36
apparently weren't my mom because they were like bummed about it yeah um because they called
00:38:40
somebody what if that was the whole time my mom was like i'll take this one this one and this one
00:38:44
it was just her dealer you had just been drug running for your mom in the 70s once a year yeah
00:38:51
mom i don't think it's october 31st just go out with your pillowcase go trick-or-treat down the
00:38:56
street um so so they they find the house where they had gotten the little baggies of pot and
00:39:04
the homeowner was like uh wait what the fuck like the homeowner legit didn't know what was going on
00:39:08
and the police believed him. He's telling the truth. Turns out this dude worked in the dead letter office
00:39:15
at the local post office. And he had found a bag of miniature Snickers in the dead post stuff.
00:39:24
You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he had found that with along some canned food
00:39:27
and the post office was like, here, take this to the local charity. But he was like,
00:39:31
well, I'm just going to take these Snickers and pass them out at Halloween. But it turned out that the candy
00:39:37
was probably just someone's attempt at smuggling pot through the mail and what a great attempt it
00:39:43
was great yeah this guy should go to prison for being a stupid idiot and stealing from the charity
00:39:48
too i don't know you kind of love him his name's herb bumbling old herb he's just kind of like
00:39:56
he he didn't he knew he had to have candy for the treaters but he didn't want to spend that five
00:40:02
bucks and he's also not he's giving it away it's not like he's making money off of it and he clearly
00:40:06
didn't open like he's actually a miracle case in my opinion he didn't open and try to eat any of
00:40:12
them himself to then know he could have made a lot of money off of that and given that to charity
00:40:16
dude that's what you give the teenagers right and show it to him first make him give you some money
00:40:22
karen's got it planned i've got it okay finally we've gotten to the real fucking deal okay here
00:40:29
we go yes wait can i just just say this because this is just reminding me and i can't remember if
00:40:35
I've told you. But one time we were trick or treating on D street before it was like as
00:40:39
commercial as it is now, you know, it's just the real eighties deal. Sure. We were with
00:40:45
our friends and their babysitter. So we were like eight or whatever. And then this was like a 15
00:40:52
year old girl that was eating all your candy. No, no, no. She was super chilled. She would just like
00:40:56
let us walk up and she would stand at the end of like the walkway and wait for us. And we walked
00:41:02
up to this one house and it was the oldest lady and she had a little green like my I still remember
00:41:08
all of it a moss green bowl and it had like eight little just cookies like like powdered sugar
00:41:15
cookies I couldn't tell if they were packaged or she'd made them but she was like here you go
00:41:20
and we all were like thank you of course we didn't want them we were like thanks so much and we
00:41:26
walk back kind of holding them like uncomfortably and we get to the end of the thing and the 15 year
00:41:32
sees them all in our hand and she just slaps each cookie out of each of our heads she was like put
00:41:37
that down throw that away like that oh my god because they were like homemade yes and because
00:41:41
they were covered in white powder oh my god she fucking like was like wipe your hands off do this
00:41:46
and like had this thing what if she saved her life and what if she did but we were like that old lady
00:41:50
it made me laugh for so long because i was like if you had seen this old lady she would be the last person you would think that would ever murder you with her lemon drop cookies But this girl was just like throw it away Went into full babysitter mode
00:42:05
It was the best. I'm just picturing grandma come out the next morning and see her cookies like laying waste on the sidewalk in front of her and her heart breaking.
00:42:15
And that's how she died. So sad. All right. Let's get to the real deal. Okay. October 31st, a.k.a. Halloween, 1974.
00:42:25
Here we are. Ronald Mark O'Brien, this fucking dude, takes his two kids, Timothy and Elizabeth,
00:42:32
trick-or-treating in Pasadena, Texas, with their neighbor dude and the neighbor's two children
00:42:40
coming along with them. What's up? We're all going trick-or-treating. Fun. Great.
00:42:44
They stop at one of the places they stop. Nobody answers the door. And so everyone runs ahead,
00:42:48
except for fucking good old Ronald Mark O'Brien, who's like, I'm going to catch up with you guys.
00:42:53
When he does catch up with them, he's like, oh, someone answered the door finally,
00:42:57
and he gave me these pixie sticks. Uh-oh. So he produces five 21-inch pixie sticks,
00:43:06
and he gives one pixie stick to each of his kids and one each to the neighbor's kids.
00:43:14
and then they get home and they see uh a 10 year old kid that they knew from church and brian's
00:43:20
like oh here's the last pixie stick to this guy so he passes out five pixie sticks that he
00:43:24
apparently got from this ghost neighbor okay um before bed that night his son eight year old
00:43:32
timothy asks to eat some of the candy he'd collected he chooses a pixie stick and which
00:43:37
is i call bullshit because no fucking kid wants a pixie stick no he has trouble getting the candy
00:43:43
opened the powder out so his dad helps him with it he says it tastes bitter so um he gives him
00:43:51
kool-aid to wash away the taste and timothy immediately complains that his stomach hurt
00:43:56
and he goes to the bathroom he begins vomiting and convulsing and then he goes limp oh i know
00:44:01
and little timothy o'brien dies on the way to the hospital less than an hour after consuming the
00:44:05
candy shit of course the community goes fucking ape shit parents in the area bring their kids
00:44:11
candy to the police thinking it was laced with poison and initially police didn't suspect uh
00:44:17
this dude ronald any with any wrongdoing until timothy's autopsy reveals that the uh pixie stick
00:44:25
he consumes was laced with a fatal dose of potassium cyanide oh my god um they go to find
00:44:32
the other pixie sticks the like four other ones and fucking thank god none of the kids had eaten
00:44:37
them. But when they go to the big kid's house, they couldn't find the pixie stick in his bag
00:44:42
of candy. The parents are freaking out. Where's the pixie stick? They go upstairs to the kid's
00:44:47
room. He's sleeping on his bed and he's holding the pixie stick. He had tried to open it,
00:44:51
but it had been shut in such a way that he couldn't open it. He couldn't get it open.
00:44:56
So he just fucking fell asleep probably from sugar. He was 10. oh my god that's a miracle yeah he was it was sitting with him that mother cried so hard then
00:45:10
she slapped everyone around her can you would you just be like damn it don't ever scare me like that
00:45:16
again you ever pixie she's slapping the pixie stick back and forth across its face oh my god
00:45:21
um she rubs a little of it on her teeth just to make sure let's see okay so all five of the pixie sticks uh turns out they had all been tampered with they had been
00:45:35
opened and the top two inches had been refilled with cyanide powder and then resealed with a
00:45:40
staple which is why this kid couldn't open the fucking thing and like uh according to a pathologist
00:45:46
who tested the pixie sticks the candy consumed by timothy contained enough cyanide to kill two
00:45:52
adults. While the other four cyanide, the other poor candies contained dosages that would
00:45:56
kill three to four adults. Jesus Christ. Even stronger. Police investigated Ronald and learned that he was over $100,000 in debt. And he had a
00:46:07
history, and this is 1974 money, which we know is, that's a million dollars in today's
00:46:11
movie. It's easily a million dollars. And he had a history of being unable to hold down a job. He was going to get fired soon.
00:46:16
His car was about to be repossessed. He had defaulted on several bank loans. And,
00:46:21
the family home was about to be foreclosed on. And of course, he had also taken out life insurance
00:46:28
policies for a large sum of money on his children. Despite his insurers being like, why do you want
00:46:35
to take out another $20,000 on your kids? It was like up to $60,000 that he was taken out on I think
00:46:41
each of his kids. So he's just an awful psychopath. He's a fucking piece of shit. At his trial, he
00:46:48
maintained his innocence throughout this whole thing, including his trial, obviously.
00:46:53
His defense was mainly that, hey man, look at all these decades of urban legends about mad
00:47:01
poisoners on Halloween. It must have been some fucking crazy poisoner. And look how much legend, or
00:47:07
how much history there is of that. So you can't blame me. It's a known thing that everyone does. Just like all the stuff I just read
00:47:13
to you. And it didn't fucking work. because it's not really true it's not true the case was circumstantial completely but still
00:47:23
ronald o'brien was convicted of the murder of his son timothy in may 1975 he received a death
00:47:29
sentence and was executed by lethal injection on march 31st it should have been fucking halloween
00:47:35
uh 1984 and that is some stories of fucking candy being laced wow halloween so the one real one is
00:47:45
the worst creepiest. The one real one is true as fuck, which is why it can keep being
00:47:51
told. Because it's true, but it's not what you think it is. It's true, but then it's just
00:47:57
the lie of like, but this is what people do right which is like no like they don't they kill their kids and their family for fucking life
00:48:05
insurance money that's what they do that's what that's the truth of it yeah the husband did it
00:48:09
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so this was one of the stories and i think i told you when we were in medford massachusetts
00:50:54
it's from there but it is one of these stories and i remember the first time i saw this on
00:51:02
um you know which nightline or whichever uh true crime kind of magazine show and it was one of the
00:51:09
most shocking true crime stories I'd ever seen on TV and really a huge bummer. And I figured for our live show, it would be such a bummer.
00:51:19
Yeah. Everyone's like, why didn't you do this one all the time? And it's like, because you can't tell an audience full of people, the most huge bummer you've
00:51:25
ever heard. Well, you can, but then it's just real quiet and it's a real bummer and we don't get to
00:51:31
have any fun. And so when we, that's why we like to do like more historical or the weirder ones, um, because
00:51:38
then there's there's you can have a little more fun this is this is one of the worst uh and most
00:51:44
fucked up crimes oh my god oh my god oh my god um and it's the murder of carol stewart so all of
00:51:52
the information that i got in these stories i got from two articles one was written for boston magazine
00:51:57
by a guy named david j uh cry check i believe is the way you pronounce his last name um and the
00:52:04
other is uh was written by roberto scalise for boston.com and they were both of them are just
00:52:11
full of information and i'm uh you know there's lots of poll quotes and big chunks of just their
00:52:17
writing um such they they put it together really nicely and and concisely um so it's the night of
00:52:25
october 23rd 1989 and uh 29 year old chuck stewart and his 30 year old wife carol are driving home
00:52:32
in their Toyota Cressida from a birthing class at Brigham and Women's Hospital. Carol's seven months pregnant with their first child.
00:52:41
At 8.43 p.m., the state police dispatcher Gary McLaughlin gets a phone call from Chuck Stewart's car phone, and he says,
00:52:51
My wife's been shot. I've been shot. So the dispatcher asks if Carol's breathing, and Chuck says,
00:52:58
I just hear gurgling. and then basically for the next 13 minutes this dispatcher tries to get chuck to say where he is
00:53:09
in the city and chuck is saying i can see a busy street ahead of me i can't i'm in so much pain
00:53:15
uh i'm and the guy's going look at a street sign look at this we're trying to find you and the
00:53:22
guy's just screaming and going crazy did you listen to it no but they had it in uh i have a
00:53:28
picture of one of the um newspaper headline like an article that was a front page article
00:53:34
and they have the um what do you call that transcript the transcript of it as the beginning
00:53:41
of the article and it's just the guy going chuck look up for me tell me what street you're on like
00:53:46
anything and it takes 13 minutes holy shit um and the guy assumes this guy is in shock so he sounds
00:53:54
lucid he speaking in a lucid way but he he in shock and he been shot in in the gut basically okay um so when police finally do find them the car is at the corner of saint alphonse street and
00:54:07
horden way horden way and they're so they're just blocks from that hospital where they were taking
00:54:14
their birthing class um now this is so so fucked up so the paramedics get there and they have a
00:54:21
camera crew from the show rescue 911 no riding along with them no yes so they all get out of the
00:54:28
ambulance and um start working on these guys in the car and there's and basically there's footage
00:54:36
of jesus christ yeah and uh i watched the shit out of that show as a kid yeah um i don't know if it
00:54:44
actually i i don't know if it made it onto the real show right but the pictures like there's
00:54:51
pictures from that so there is footage there is footage i don't know where it ended up living
00:54:56
that shows carol pregnant with a gaping head wound being cut from her seat belt and laid onto a
00:55:02
stretcher as the emt is compressing her chest and trying to um get a heartbeat going oh my god so
00:55:09
um they rush her back to bring him in women's hospital the doctors um they have they take the
00:55:16
baby out it's so it's only it's under four pounds um and they put the baby on life support oh my god
00:55:25
um chuck is taken to boston city hospital this isn't this area of boston where there's
00:55:31
it truly like hospitals everywhere and everyone's going to school and shit and learning and it's
00:55:36
all kinds of colleges and all kinds of hospitals so chuck goes to boston city and he and he then
00:55:42
undergo six hours of surgery on his bowel, bowel, gallbladder, and liver. And he has substantial damage,
00:55:49
but, and it's, and is in critical condition, but he survives. Unfortunately, Carol does not.
00:55:56
Um, she's pronounced dead at 3 a.m. on October 24th, 1989. So four days later on October 28th,
00:56:03
Carol's buried in Medford, Massachusetts, which was the town area we were in. Yeah.
00:56:09
Um, cause that's where she was from. Oh, honey. More than 800 people, including Boston Mayor Ray Flynn, Governor Michael Dukakis, and Cardinal Bernard Law attend her funeral.
00:56:24
And Chuck is still in the hospital, but he manages to write a eulogy for his wife's funeral.
00:56:30
And it is read by a family friend. And this is what they read. Good night, sweet wife, my love.
00:56:37
God has called you to his hands not to take you away from me or the happiness and gladness you brought to me
00:56:43
but to bring you away from the cruelty and the violence that fills this world he said that for us to truly believe
00:56:49
we must know that his will was done and that there is some right in the meanest of acts
00:56:54
in our souls we must forgive this sinner because he would too he capital H-E my life will be more empty without you
00:57:02
as will the lives of your family and friends You have brought joy and kindness to every life you've touched.
00:57:08
And now you sleep away from me. I will never again know the feeling of your hand in mine, but I will always feel you.
00:57:14
I miss you and I love you. Your husband, Chuck. I want to cry and get really sad and emotional, but I'm scared he did it.
00:57:19
So I feel not ready to cry about that. Yeah, I would stay in a neutral place for now.
00:57:24
That's what I, but I don't want to ruin it for you. No, that's okay. I feel like just the pattern of these things is ruined.
00:57:32
I'm like, do I feel for him and cry? Or do, okay. Here's, can I point out why I think your instincts are telling you, hey, dry those eyes.
00:57:42
Okay. Because the line in our souls, we must forgive this sinner. Yeah. Because he would too.
00:57:49
Just, just something I italicized. I'd like to go ahead and allow Vince to have hate in his soul for whoever kills me one day for the rest of his life.
00:57:58
Right. And that's fine. Yeah. Because when we're so quick to forgive the sinner, like this is still the funeral.
00:58:04
Let's get past this, everyone. Yeah. Let's give it a year. Okay. So two of Chuck's brothers act as pallbearers carrying Carol's casket during the services.
00:58:15
And then on November 9th, at 17 days old, their baby dies of respiratory failure.
00:58:23
So it's two deaths. So then when the police talk to Charles Stewart, he tells them, get ready.
00:58:29
Here I am. Boston, 1989. You got a car phone, bro. A black man with a raspy voice invaded their car that night.
00:58:37
He said the man took cash, the car keys, jewelry, and Carol's Gucci bag. But before he left, he started saying he thought that Chuck was 5-0.
00:58:47
He thought he was a plainclothes cop, and then he shot both of them. And Chuck said that on the first shot, he ducked, and that's why the first bullet hit him in the abdomen.
00:58:57
And the second shot hit Carol in the head, killing her and ultimately the unborn baby.
00:59:02
so when all of this hits the newspapers the next day the city goes into a complete furor
00:59:08
the boston herald runs a headline that says quote a terrible night with this huge picture
00:59:14
where and it's a really disturbing picture carol is slumped toward the driver's seat
00:59:20
her hair's in her face her mouth is open there is blood on her shirt um while charles who's in
00:59:27
the driver's seat is his shirt has blood it's ripped open he's grimacing and it looks like he's
00:59:33
fighting to get out of the car it's really graphic because it's fucking front page story it's headline
00:59:41
news and because this was the height of the crack epidemic in america right so all black neighborhoods
00:59:50
pretty much in major urban areas were just overrun with violence and crime because of the crack epidemic And then on top of that this Rescue 911 footage and pictures like this really made it real
01:00:08
It was just like, you know, this random shooting, this random crime. And here it is.
01:00:14
Pregnant woman. A pregnant woman. A couple leaving their birthing club or whatever.
01:00:17
Yeah. The ultimate in innocence. Right, right. And the ultimate in whiteness, these two people.
01:00:22
and here's why it's okay for your racism to exist 100 it just underlines the story so in david
01:00:31
kirchak's article he says quote but with a black perpetrator and white victims it fit comfortably
01:00:37
into this nation's deep-rooted prejudices about race and crime yeah in boston white paranoia was
01:00:43
running high as the crack epidemic intensified violent crime in black neighborhoods like roxbury
01:00:48
but it wasn't long before an ugly racist murmur underscored white boston's empathy for the
01:00:54
stewards mayor ray flynn seemed to sanction that attitude when he pledged to quote get the animals
01:00:59
responsible yeah in the fucking press within days there are calls by lawmakers to reinstate the death
01:01:06
penalty jesus frank bilotti a former massachusetts attorney general who was running for governor told
01:01:13
the press, quote, I'd pull the switch myself. Wow. And along with those incendiary statements, the press was comparing the Stewart's to the
01:01:20
Kennedy's with the Boston Herald running an article about their lives with the headline,
01:01:25
quote, dreams of Camelot. Oh, my God. Yeah. So she was really beautiful. And they were really successful.
01:01:35
They lived in a really nice part of town. And this was that kind of thing where they symbolized like the up and coming white couple.
01:01:41
Right. So basically, Charles Stewart Jr. and Carol D. Miotti Stewart met in 1980.
01:01:50
They were both working at a restaurant in Rivia, which is Chuck's hometown. Rivia.
01:01:55
I would not have. I don't know how that's spelled, but I would have not probably said that.
01:01:58
I'm giving it the accent. I'm giving it the Revere accent because it's Revere. But they say Rivia.
01:02:04
Oh. You know, like, did you see the movie? I love it. Is it the boxer? the fighter yeah yeah christian bale so good that i think that took place yeah revia oh my god so
01:02:17
carol is from medford as i said so is the black dahlia by the way oh that's right and so she
01:02:24
graduated from boston college then she went to suffolk law school and graduated from there um
01:02:30
the two of them got married in 1985 and she went on to a lucrative career as a tax attorney and
01:02:36
Chuck becomes the manager of a fur salon on Newberry Street. He makes six figures a year being the manager of a fur salon.
01:02:47
I mean, people like their fur. I'm covered in it right now. And I didn't even have to pay anything for it.
01:02:53
Yeah, seriously, if you look at my sweatpants, it looks like I'm the manager of a fur salon as well.
01:02:58
But mine's volunteer. Right. Okay, so they live in... No, they don't live in Rivia.
01:03:05
I want them to. They live in, it looks, it is spelled reading, but I bet it's reading or some bullshit like that.
01:03:12
Spell it like you say it. The neighbors were later quoted in the paper to say that they remembered the couple, quote, lingering over a goodbye kiss each workday morning.
01:03:23
Oh, she'd had no idea she married a monster. This kind of is reminding me of the, what's the Bay Area one recently?
01:03:30
Scott Peterson. Scott Peterson. Yeah. Lisey Peterson. Exactly. Because they're both pregnant.
01:03:35
Yeah. Okay, so Chuck's car keys, they turn up in the Mission Hill projects in Roxbury.
01:03:49
What? Weird. And so police add 100 extra officers to go start kicking in doors and randomly frisking young black men looking for the, quote, black man with a raspy voice and the black sweatsuit with a red stripe.
01:04:04
Yeah, you can't do that. They do. And city councilor David Skondras was quoted as saying, quote, you can't help but wonder if what you're watching is a class situation, that it's all right for the poor to put up with an enormous amount of shootings and killings.
01:04:21
But presumably, if you're white, upper income and suburban, maybe that changes things.
01:04:26
That's sad. And Leslie Harris, a public defender familiar with the case, is quoted in the Boston Globe as saying, quote,
01:04:34
the police kept telling the kids that they'd have to come to take a ride with them.
01:04:37
The way they intimidated these kids into making statements, some head should roll.
01:04:42
And they really did do that too, because two weeks after the shooting, a 15 year old boy ends up telling police that his uncle, Willie Bennett,
01:04:51
had bragged that he was the killer. The boy immediately recanted, but the police didn't care because they already had the name.
01:04:59
And they, 39 year old Willie Bennett was also the perfect suspect. He had spent most of his adult life in jail and he had a long rap sheet with instances of violent crime, including he once threatened a cop with a shotgun in 1981.
01:05:13
So it was it was open and shut right there. On November 11th, the Boston Herald gets the scoop and they print that Willie Bennett is a prime suspect.
01:05:22
And then a Norfolk prosecutor named Louis Sabadini calls Bennett a mad dog running amok in the press.
01:05:32
On December 28th, Chuck Stewart picks Bennett out of a police lineup. And when he did, they say that he had a strong physical reaction when he saw Willie Bennett in the lineup.
01:05:45
Yeah. So it looks like everyone's like, we have our man. And this case is solved.
01:05:51
Until the twist. On January 3rd 1990 Chuck Stewart 23 brother Matthew contacts the DA and asks for a meeting And in that meeting he confesses to a shocking secret
01:06:06
Turns out the murderer was not a black man in a black sweatsuit with a raspy voice.
01:06:12
Carol Stewart and her unborn child had been shot in cold blood by none other than the grieving husband himself,
01:06:18
Chuck fucking Stewart. Dude, this 23-year-old brother comes forward and is like...
01:06:23
And listen to this shit. Oh, my God. Tell me everything. He says that his brother asked him to drive by the scene and take the purse that had the gun and the jewelry in it.
01:06:37
And then go drive and throw that purse with all that evidence in it off the dizzy bridge and into the Pines River.
01:06:50
And his brother paid him $10,000 to do that. and so basically um he said he didn't know that chuck was going to shoot carol he just had agreed
01:07:01
to come by and do this thing for ten thousand dollars so had she already been shot when he did
01:07:05
it yeah he must have because he was getting rid of the gun right but matthew said he didn't know
01:07:10
that that was the plan he was just there and then was given this bag holy but once he was there he
01:07:16
knew what happened and he kept doing yeah so um but he basically so oh god is there video of his
01:07:24
interrogation or confession oh i don't know i want to watch but there's pictures of him in the paper
01:07:30
so basically he then kind of talked to the press after this but he carry her fucking
01:07:36
casket yeah that's the next thing i was gonna read okay no no no him and his brother who he
01:07:42
confessed to two days later um the their older brother michael he went and he told him that this
01:07:50
was actually a murder and then they went and carried her casket at her funeral knowing the truth
01:07:58
oh i want to see photos of them carrying the caskets yeah there's you can find all of this i
01:08:03
mean that's the craziest thing about this entire crime is it was so meticulously and insanely
01:08:09
covered in the paper, that like every moment of this crime is in the paper. And Matthew says that he finally came forward when he realized Charles had fingered Willie
01:08:21
Bennett for the crime and that he knew an innocent man was going to go to jail for the
01:08:26
murder that his brother had committed. Wow. And a year later, Matthew Stewart was found guilty of obstruction of justice and insurance
01:08:35
fraud. so he did time for this for being a part of basically aiding and abetting okay so now
01:08:40
the fucking da and the authorities know that it's actually chuck stewart it's that it's like the
01:08:46
hardest 180 yeah all of those people who are like hell bent on the storyline that they have to
01:08:53
fucking give it up they have to turn it around so there's a city-wide manhunt for chuck stewart
01:08:58
and it turns out that he had checked in at the sheridan and braintree in room 231 and on the
01:09:04
night of January 3rd, he calls down to the front desks and asks for a 4.30 a.m. wake-up call.
01:09:11
Oh, no. And sunrise on January 4th, 1990, commuters report an unoccupied Nissan Maxima
01:09:18
is stopped on the lower deck of the Tobin Bridge. It's Chuck Stewart's new car that he had bought
01:09:24
with the insurance, the life insurance payout of Carroll's life insurance. Authorities find a note on the front seat that Stewart wrote that said, quote,
01:09:34
my life has been nothing but a battle for the last four months oh you poor fucking baby uh-huh
01:09:40
whatever this new accusation is it has beaten me i've been sapped of my strength so he doesn't
01:09:47
cop to it he doesn't admit it he acts like he's been pushed to this yeah because of this accusation
01:09:52
yeah where his brother told the truth um then chuck stewart jumped to his death from the tobin
01:09:58
bridge into the mystic river did he fake it he really did it people saw him they pulled the body
01:10:04
out they pulled did they pull a body out that was my next question they pulled his body out of the
01:10:09
river how have i yelled this so often how have i never heard of this i know isn't it crazy i remember
01:10:15
seeing this story when i was like in my early 20s and the turn the way they set up that turn was so
01:10:22
perfect because they make you get racist they make you go get him yes and you see like willie
01:10:29
Bennett was brought into they had him in in court for the charges. And he's sitting there like in
01:10:37
his, you know, jail clothes. And he's kind of got his hand on his head. And it is like it. And but
01:10:44
of course, when you look at that, through the eyes of someone before all of this information,
01:10:48
it's like, there's the monster that killed those poor people. Well, stories like this make you have to make you check and reevaluate what you believe the
01:10:56
media tells you and what in the biases you have once you see that everything is a story that's
01:11:02
portrayed a certain way. Yes. That, you know, might not even be close to the truth. Yeah.
01:11:08
And it's the implicit bias thing where as a white person, you're reading the news in a way
01:11:13
where you don't have, you know, you don't have automatic empathy for people of color or somebody
01:11:18
that's different from you that might be seeing this from a totally different. Or the minute you
01:11:21
hear that they were on crack or that the minute you hear that they were a sex worker or that they
01:11:25
lived in the projects right and they don't deserve as much empathy as you do or they deserve things
01:11:30
that happen to them when really these are all things that have been thrown at us to including
01:11:33
the quote crack epidemic which you look into it it was a systematic way to make black people
01:11:39
you know less powerful to addict them to drugs send them to jail exactly it was it i mean
01:11:46
fucking look it up man i know oh i mean and here's the thing too you know these are stories
01:11:51
These kinds of stories, I think, we avoid a lot of the time because it's gross injustice.
01:11:57
It's gross racism. We don't want to fuck it up. We don't want to tell the story wrong.
01:12:01
We don't want to get the information wrong or whatever. But I think the way everything is happening in this country right now, it's part of that
01:12:08
thing of people just dropping the fucking storyline that you're holding on to that you're
01:12:13
innocent. Right. You didn't do anything. You're not racist because you live in a good neighborhood and you don't live in, you know,
01:12:19
or somehow you're immune to things because, you know. But that basically that you should be immune to it.
01:12:26
Yeah. That these kind of crimes, that kind of crime is okay if it's happening in that bad, quote unquote, bad part of town.
01:12:33
It's not your problem if it's happening over there. But if it comes into your part of town, then, you know, everyone should go crazy.
01:12:41
So it's obviously a huge, huge issue in the justice system in this country. It's a huge issue when you talk about it happening for black people, for happening for Native Americans.
01:12:54
I mean it's for sex workers all of it's just that everyone you're treated differently if you're
01:13:00
different than the status quo and if you're marginalized and you're not empowered and you
01:13:04
don't have fucking money as we all know we need to look into why we're why those things are
01:13:09
happening and why people don't have money and why people are addicted to crack and have to sell crack
01:13:13
and have to go into sex work or are want to go into sex work of course but and also kind of more
01:13:19
immediately we have to stop privatized prisons yeah that people make money for arresting right
01:13:26
disenfranchised people who have no support no money and no representation and then those people
01:13:32
are lost in the system and people make money off of it that should not happen it's the same thing
01:13:37
of why one one person of color will go to prison for selling a certain amount of a small amount of
01:13:43
weed and another fucking white person will talk about the soaps and lotions that they sell
01:13:48
and their weed brownie parties and shit, and it's fine. And it's all fine. It's not okay.
01:13:54
It's not okay, and I think these days, that's all coming to the surface. People's voices are being raised who need to be heard
01:14:02
and need to be listened to, where we're all learning about this. As suburban white gals of a certain age,
01:14:11
we are now coming to understanding about this in a way that we just didn't know before,
01:14:16
didn't ever understand, didn't have to have empathy for before because it simply wasn't in our lives right um okay so
01:14:24
all so 73 days after the shooting all of this news breaks everybody is cold does he immediately
01:14:33
like how quickly from when they find out to when he jumps off the bridge it's like a day okay and
01:14:39
the boston globe has a headline that reads from nightmare to reality a city is reeling
01:14:44
So it's continuing to play out in the press. And Mayor Flynn calls the case, quote, a giant fraud on this city.
01:14:53
The police and the press and the authorities all blame each other. And lots of people claim after the fact that they were skeptical of Chuck Stewart all along.
01:15:05
But, of course, there's very little evidence of that, especially since all of it was in the press.
01:15:10
Every moment of it, you had your chance to be skeptical. and none of those people were skeptical in the least they not only were skeptical he was fucking
01:15:19
john f kennedy yeah right um the new york times wrote on january 6 1990 quote a vicious round of
01:15:25
finger pointing began here today as prosecutors the police and the news media began tracing the
01:15:30
trail of faulty assumptions disregarded suspicions blunders and perhaps even lies that put the wrong
01:15:37
man at the center of one of the most highly publicized and emotionally charged murder cases
01:15:42
in this city's history. End quote. Mayor Flynn went to the Bennett home to apologize to Willie Bennett and his family,
01:15:51
telling Mrs. Bennett that, quote, what has taken place has been very unfortunate.
01:15:56
I don't know anything to do with fortune. Fortunate or not. Not at all. The Bennett family later said
01:16:02
that Mayor Flynn only stayed a couple of minutes and wouldn't sit down when offered a seat.
01:16:08
Thanks for the fucking extension of yourself. soon news of Charles Stewart's activities in the weeks before
01:16:16
and after the murder comes spilling out of the shadows just days before he jumped to his death
01:16:21
he was in Peabody buying jewelry for his secret younger girlfriend. Come on! There's also a story
01:16:29
that he was angry that having a baby would cut Carol's paycheck from the family coffers
01:16:39
so Charles Stewart murdered his wife and baby and took $82,000 for for all of that trouble
01:16:48
had full surgery and then ends up three months later killing himself and then in September 2011
01:16:56
Matthew Stewart his younger brother died from a drug overdose in a Cambridge homeless shelter
01:17:02
jesus obviously his life was entirely destroyed yeah by the entire thing um i'll finish with this
01:17:11
full quote from david j cry uh cry jack's article i'm sorry i know i'm pronouncing that wrong
01:17:17
quote whatever it's genesis the crime picked from open boston um the crime picked open boston's
01:17:24
racial scab 13 years after the busing riots and stanley foreman famous photo of a white teenager using Old Glory as a lance against Ted Landsmark a black man When Stewart deceptions were exposed
01:17:38
the Globe called him, quote, a world-class con man. But he really wasn't. Prisons are full of
01:17:44
spouse killers, after all. But Boston's police and the public enabled Stewart with their eagerness
01:17:49
to accept his story. Michael Curry, president of the Boston NAACP, is not sure that the
01:17:56
case would play out any differently today. Quote, it still has relevance. We still live every day
01:18:02
with the preconceived notions of black and brown boys as quote, potential criminals. Stuart played
01:18:08
on those prejudices. He said to himself, if I had to accuse somebody of a crime, who would I accuse
01:18:13
and where would it be? A black man in Roxbury, Dorchester, Mattapan. He knew everyone would
01:18:20
believe him and you know what he was right jesus and that's the story of the murder of carol stewart
01:18:27
holy fucking shit isn't that fucked oh my god dude i mean willie bennett was a dead man he was gone
01:18:37
like that he was going to go to prison for the rest he was going to be killed in prison right
01:18:42
they wanted to reinstate the death penalty right so fucked up i feel yeah it's so fucked up the
01:18:48
brother is also a tragic fucking character in it i mean because he did the right thing that's i'm
01:18:54
surprised he didn't get immunity for testifying against his brother but it wouldn't have mattered
01:18:58
it would have been off the table at that i mean maybe there was going to but because there wasn't
01:19:02
a trial they needed to give someone right get someone yeah and yeah you know those cops were
01:19:08
like get somebody somebody has to do something to somebody immunity probably became off the table
01:19:14
once he and i bet you he didn't they didn't seem like maybe his brother had money but they like in
01:19:20
the pictures where he's pointing to things and stuff it's not like they seem like this rich family
01:19:24
if he didn't have a good lawyer that wasn't gonna happen yeah yeah and you can't reward a person for
01:19:30
aiding and abetting no crime i mean i totally get that and i but still yeah holy shit balls i was
01:19:38
fucked up it's pretty fucked great job telling it i mean was as i was reading it i i went back and
01:19:44
forth and back and forth because it's like i don't i don't want to continually ignore those stories
01:19:50
that seem to be like they they they seem to be problematic in and of themselves yeah but they do
01:19:57
need to get talked about and and they're the stories that like i think we try to do the outer
01:20:02
edges of these are the crazy yeah these are the crazy crime stories but these are actually just
01:20:06
the tragic standard, you know, injustice-based type of stories. Yeah. And if you want to, I feel like the crime epidemic, I mean, the crack epidemic thing
01:20:18
is like, look at the way this opioid epidemic is being handled, which is mainly white people
01:20:26
versus the way the crack epidemic was handled. Yes. And you'll see how big of a difference you're treated depending on your race.
01:20:34
because people are going to prison for dealing opioids. People are getting rehab and being constantly treated with kid gloves
01:20:44
for the opioid crisis, which is awful. I completely agree. Yeah, there was never an article in the New York Times
01:20:50
about how do we help these people with the crack epidemic. It was the perfect tool.
01:20:54
Just send them to prison and look at these crack addicted people. It's the perfect dehumanizing tool.
01:21:00
And everybody fell. Most people, white people, fell for it. or just bought bought that storyline yeah yeah totally uh well great job thank you
01:21:10
should we do a fucking hooray yeah that's the time i know mine okay um uh i just keep touching
01:21:18
my elbow oh my broken elbow my broken elbow it's fucking the new season of schitt's creek has come
01:21:25
out your baby my baby i watched it i accidentally woke up at 5 30 which i do sometimes god and then
01:21:32
And I remembered that it had come out and I watched it. I think I watched all of it, at least like almost all of it before work.
01:21:40
And then I came home and finished it. And it's just as beautiful and hilarious and great as it was last time, even more so.
01:21:47
And it's just, if you haven't gotten into Schitt's Creek, it's a little diamond waiting for you.
01:21:52
I'm excited to watch it. I love that it's waiting there for me. Oh, and I got a sweatshirt.
01:21:57
Do you, have you watched it? No. Okay. What does it say? there's a there's a family store that they open oh you got a sweatshirt it's called rose's
01:22:05
apothecary and i got sent a sweatshirt of it and i was so excited have you worn it i want people
01:22:10
to like to call it out no because it just turned cold like yesterday that's true and cold by like
01:22:16
72 yeah exactly um light wind kicked up yesterday i had so my uh fucking hooray i woke up the other
01:22:24
day late in late in the morning like I do and I had this and I did the whole like yeah you got to
01:22:31
wake up earlier and get more shit done and I had this epiphany of um that I like one out of ten
01:22:38
effort I'm I consistently work at like a six a good six and considering my life that's gone pretty
01:22:46
well but I would think but my new thing is that I want to just put one extra point of effort into
01:22:54
my life And that made it kind of all seem doable Yeah In this like all you have to do is walk for half Like what is what is the one point of effort more than what you doing right now Don start drinking at five start drinking at eight
01:23:08
Or take tonight off or yeah, go for a walk is the one point of extra effort. Don't flake
01:23:14
today on this thing. It's like, that's good. So I'm doing that. And I'm thinking that that might
01:23:20
help some people too, because I'm always like, you have to be a 10. If you're not a 10, you're
01:23:23
not fucking good enough that's the that's the trick of perfectionism right is if you're not
01:23:28
perfect fuck it right which is the which is deadly yeah you know what's so funny it's very true
01:23:34
because since i started swimming um and it was very difficult for me to not be able to brag about
01:23:41
swimming is is an extra two points you get another and once you do that right fold in this effort
01:23:47
then all the the rest of the day like the hardest thing about writing in a room is that there's
01:23:52
literally a table filled with all the good stuff from trader joe's that just sits behind me all day
01:23:57
tell me like what oh the well there's every type of chip like we have there's just like a chip
01:24:04
station light yes oh i'm glad i i'm so glad i'm not a tv writer it's because you sit there thinking
01:24:12
and while you're thinking you think you can't think of anything so you eat chips totally or
01:24:16
like there's just like a big this that new quote shareable bag of m&ms there's all kinds of things
01:24:21
my thing is I did my I already did my thing it makes me feel really good now I'm just gonna like
01:24:27
I drink some tea and try to not graze that's great yeah because you don't want to you don't
01:24:32
want to um what's the word like sabotage yes do you want to de-sabotage de-sabotage my swimming
01:24:39
effort so that's yeah so I look at it and it's like I don't ever have to be a 10 me as a six or
01:24:44
seven has done pretty fucking good in her life and I have a good and happy life if I give a half
01:24:50
or one point of effort more, how great would that be? Exactly. So I'm going to do that.
01:24:54
That's great. I don't know what to call it yet. One point more? One point more. One point extra effort.
01:25:00
One point of extra effort. It falls off the tongue. It just falls face first off the tongue.
01:25:07
It's perfect. I think that's great. Also, because, you know, I believe the Japanese have a thing called Kaizen,
01:25:15
and that's just small improvements daily. and it's essentially like you like it's exactly what you're saying which is you don't have to be
01:25:24
the perfect consummate housewife just do the dishes like real time yeah yeah that's my thing
01:25:30
my dad all growing up my dad would always go clean as you go clean as you go and i never do it i just
01:25:36
let things pile up yeah and lately i've been cleaning as i go yeah let's do that with our
01:25:41
lives let's clean our lives as we go let's clean as we go it feels better also new season of someone
01:25:47
know something is really good also if you're sick of listening about murder all the time but you
01:25:51
still have true crime and which i'm listening with vince now because he doesn't like murder
01:25:55
right but he we are listening to last scene podcast which i also found in boston scene s-c-e-n last
01:26:02
scene s-c-e-n like the last time i saw something last scene is a podcast from the boston globe
01:26:08
about the 28 year unsolved art heist of boston's illabella stewart gardner museum yes it's fucking
01:26:14
good and it's true crime but it's not murder which is great i think i looked that story up that's how
01:26:20
i found it when we're in a town we're like what murder can i see look up all these crimes yeah and
01:26:23
i found last scene and i'm like that one's great was that the one where they were dressed like cops
01:26:27
they they broke into a museum they're dressed like cops there's some great characters in it i
01:26:31
fucking highly recommend this podcast that's sounds really good and of course someone knows something
01:26:35
which is immediately making me cry uh already hosted by uh hot canadian lumberjack with all the
01:26:43
empathy david ridgen with the great with just a great voice great cadence and you just want to be
01:26:49
there with him while he discovers things yeah he's great uh new season i love it oh and not
01:26:54
we're not getting paid even no david you owe us money david we fully support you and also can i
01:26:59
just say this this is from this is left over long ago but in at the london show that we did in may
01:27:07
so long ago now. I did Jack the Ripper and had kind of an emotional meltdown while I had it.
01:27:15
Didn't really realize what a bad idea that would be. No, it was great. It was fine,
01:27:20
but it was one of those bad, it was just a bad feeling area. And then it was, but it was a great show.
01:27:25
And we met great people at that meet and greet was epic. Every person we met at the London meet and greet
01:27:32
was one more fascinating character. That's where the Italians were. Oh, yeah. And all kinds of people.
01:27:38
Anyway, a woman, and I'm sorry I don't have your name, you recommended the book to me, They All Love Jack.
01:27:46
And it is the best. I've been listening to it on audiobooks since she recommended it
01:27:51
because it is so dense. And it's the guy, I'll look it up. Can you look it up, Stephen?
01:27:56
Sorry. They all love Jack. It's the Jack the Ripper. And it's written by the guy who wrote the movie with Nail and I.
01:28:05
that brilliant movie it's an 80's like cult movie and it is one of my favorite movies of all time
01:28:12
it's about two actors that are totally on drugs that try to leave London and just get out into the country
01:28:18
for the weekend and it's beyond hilarious so Bruce Robinson is the writer of the movie Withnail and I and he
01:28:26
has written this scathing expose about ripperology and the bullshit that has been put out and what the truth of like who Jack the Ripper was
01:28:38
And I've been listening to it on and off because it's so dense and the writing is so good.
01:28:43
Like he quotes somebody and he says like it's somebody he's somebody that's telling a lie and covering something up.
01:28:52
and so he does the thing and he writes blah blah blah um and say the guy's name is dan smith and he
01:28:59
goes blah blah blah dan smith shit mouth like it's writing like that where i keep i keep going
01:29:05
back and re-listening to whole chunks because the writing is unbelievably great are we just having a
01:29:10
conversation right now over pints because he's being he is such a bitch about like how basically
01:29:16
over the years where biology has been taken the lies that have been put out and just gone yes yes
01:29:22
And this adding on and adding on bullshit like Halloween fucking candy poisoning.
01:29:27
It's a total Halloween candy poisoning situation. Meanwhile, Bruce Robinson goes in and does the research and is like, it's blatantly obvious
01:29:35
what the situation is. I highly recommend it. What's it called again? They all love Jack by Bruce Robinson.
01:29:42
I recommend you do it on audio because the guy that reads the audio book is so talented
01:29:46
and does goes in and out in and out of voices. It's great. And anyway, thank you to the person.
01:29:52
Please email if you are the person who recommended that book to me so I can say your name.
01:29:56
Because it was such a great recommendation, but it's the kind of thing that like a year later I'm like, I finally read it.
01:30:04
I finally listened to it. We get a lot of really good recommendations and gifts.
01:30:09
Yeah. And life. Yes. Best life. Tweet at us what your one point extra would be. Oh, nice.
01:30:16
Maybe, right? Like my one point extra is that I will do the dishes as they come.
01:30:20
Sure. that kind of no that's not mine uh the example is example a clean as you go or uh well yeah
01:30:26
whatever um drinking more hot tea remember tea is a medicine yeah and add some vodka if you're me
01:30:32
jesus i sound like an alcoholic this episode i'm really not also if you're gonna add anything to a
01:30:38
hot drink don't let it be vodka i don't know why you keep saying that rum rum and maybe malibu
01:30:45
coconut rum we're not also not getting paid by them we should be hey thanks for listening thanks
01:30:50
for editing so much shit out you guys don't even fucking understand how much even doing his work
01:30:56
tonight and then finding names that we can't remember all the stuff i mean we always need
01:31:00
you to do that steven that's kind of standard i now don't even attempt to look things up i'm just
01:31:05
like just kind of look over my shoulder he's already got his phone up steven thanks for
01:31:10
listening you guys are the fucking best you guys really so many great things are happening in our
01:31:15
lives we get we say this all the time to at the live shows but yeah we mean it to you guys too at
01:31:20
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01:31:25
very grateful for all the things that we have because of the way that this show exploded.
01:31:29
It's super nuts. Our lives are nuts because of it, but in the best possible way,
01:31:35
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01:31:40
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