146 - Dawna’s Skinny Lighter | My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Oh my God. Oh, hi. Hi, welcome. Welcome to the not live version of My Favorite Murder.

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The podcast. That's Karen Kilgareth. And that's Georgia Hartstark. And here we are in the pod loft once again.

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That's right. It's only been four years. Oh. So dusty. Oh, dusty. There's cat hair everywhere.

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Ow. Kicking shit. Spiders have made spider webs out of cat hair. Oh, no. Yeah, we haven't been here in so long.

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I know. We're finishing up our fall tour this weekend. Yeah, our last two shows for the fall tour, Atlanta and Austin.

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That's right. Very excited. And we're already fucking planning it into the winter tour.

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How are we alive? We're not. We're not. This is all post. This is post-existence.

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That's why it's so fun and interesting. That's right. It's not mad. It's pretty exciting.

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It's pretty great. Our tickets for our winter tour have started going on sale for the fan cult.

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They're about to go on public sale soon. They're selling out super fast. So make sure you check out what's going on at myfavoritemurder.com and sign up for the email list because there's some surprises coming up, too.

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So you'll want to be on top of that. But thanks so far for all the buying of tickets.

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It's going to be a really fun tour. Right. Just keep in mind, first of all, it's best if you belong to the fan cult because then you know what's going on and you have insider advantages.

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Just as a recommendation from me personally. And the fan cult was a way to get people who got really pissed off all the time that tickets sold out so quickly, a way to get first access to them.

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So it's not like we're just trying to make sure that a scalpers aren't buying them all up and be the people who really, really want them.

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can have the best chance of getting them. Which are things we can't control. For all of these things, it really does seem like

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there's people that keep showing up that don't understand that these tickets sell out in one minute. So the fan

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call gets the first chunk of pre-sale, then the pre-sale gets a chunk of pre-sale,

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then the general public get the last little bit of sales. So there's different waves of sales

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in it. And we're also maybe going to add shows here and there, so keep an eye out for those. Here and there,

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now we're really in this bad position. Des Moines, stop yelling. Having answered the complaining.

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Hawaii, though, man, if you can't get a ticket anywhere else, get your fucking ass on your vacation mode to Hawaii.

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Was that all that business? That's all that, I think. Listen to this fucking. Okay.

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So we've, we're, I'll speak for myself. I'm very tired. We had quite the week last week.

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We had an amazing group of shows in the Bay Area. Lots of my family and friends were there, which was very, very exciting to see everybody.

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Then we came home and then we had our Halloween show at the Microsoft Theater for 7000 people, which was incredible, pretty awesome and huge and big and awesome.

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And then on Friday, we hosted the Winter Gala for PEN America, which is a nonprofit organization that supports the literary arts and free speech and basically makes sure that people who write and make who write writers make movies, do whatever.

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Journalists. Journalists are protected and that free speech is protected, which is like now, now, now more than ever.

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Right. So George and I had to host this thing. It wasn't a thing. It was a gala.

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It was a gala. But you know all I want to do in my life is get dressed up and go to galas.

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And you really did. Your dress was awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Rent the runway.

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Otherwise, I never would have been able to afford that. Yeah, it was really cool.

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It looked old fashioned. So was yours. No, I looked like a witch librarian. You looked amazing.

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It wasn't. I thought the gala was three months away. So I had a dress I wanted to wear hanging on my closet door that I was like,

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I'm gonna get there with my swimming routine and my other ways that I'm being reasonable

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these days. And then it was like, no, no, no, the gala is on Friday. And I was like, what the fuck?

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So we have to turn around and host this gala, which was very intimidating and whatever,

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and on the heels of everything else a lot. And but it went great It was such the people were the coolest We met a lot of people that work for Penn America that were so nice And then there was just a cavalcade of literary luminaries and stars in this audience

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One of which, and the thing I was the most excited about, is the legendary actress Alfre Woodard presented director Barry Jenkins,

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who is the Oscar-winning director for Moonlight. He has a new movie coming out. and she awarded she presented his award he won an award that night um i believe for film or for

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directing and so i georgia let me skip in front of her because we were doing switching off

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introducing people and so i got to introduce alfrey woodard and when she came up on stage

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she gave me that like she gave me a scrunched nose smile and said you're doing so good as she

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hugged me and so i walked away very emotionally overwhelmed by that and then she introduces

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is Barry Jenkins. And then she comes off stage while he accepts his award. And she gives me

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another sweet smile. But it's like this really small area backstage. And she sits down. And then

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I lean over her and say, you're a legend. And then I burst into tears. I have never seen Karen

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so nervous or unperson before. And she could not have been more sweet and lovely. And but I think

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I scared her a little bit. No, and then she was like, let's take a photo or something. Right. So

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So the three of us get up to go take up. There's like a photo area. And suddenly Karen's nowhere to be found.

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And she and Afri turns to me and goes, where'd she go? And I look around and I go, oh, you made her cry.

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And she's Karen's around the corner. Her back's to us. But I could just see her trying to get it together.

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Holding folded up cocktail napkins under my eyes going, you're not allowed to cry right now.

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But it was that thing of like, I think it was this tsunami of that whole week, week and a half.

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And her speech was gorgeous. It was just very emotional. Yeah, it was very, but I lost it.

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And then she had that look on her face that was like, oh, I have to get out of this small, confined space around this lady.

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But it was, thanks again to Penn America for having us host. We had the best time and it was super cool.

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Okay, and another reason to get on that email list that I just talked about, if you just go to myfavoritemurder.com, it'll show you how to get on there.

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So make sure to keep an eye on that. Yeah, and we'll be talking about the network more.

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of the people who are going to be having podcasts on our new podcast network. So we're excited to be telling you about that.

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So stay tuned. We'll be, don't worry, we'll inundate you with information. Oh, we're also, speaking of the tour,

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we haven't talked about the fact that we're playing the Grand Ole Opry. What the fuck?

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Could this conversation be more just like there's not one thread? We're both talking about different things every time we talk.

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What if we just had, we found out, everyone found out that we couldn't be in the room together anymore,

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So we're just recording our side of the conversation and Steven has to just stitch them together.

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But he's doing a really bad job of it. That's right, Georgia. I do love cookies and cakes.

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Yes. Oh, yes. Merch. Okay, then let me join it all together and read you this email that I was laughing my ass.

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Okay, great. We have one more piece of housekeeping. Should I get it? Do it. Yes, please.

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The last piece of housekeeping is that. Housekeeping. Housekeeping. is that we're now,

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you can now find us ad-free on Stitcher if you should so feel like it. Yes. So you can hear ad-free episodes.

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Did Dottie just fall down behind you? She just did like a somersault behind you in the most silent comedic way

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that was really delightful. Good girl. Improv. Dottie. You can hear ad-free episodes

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of My Favorite Murder every week. They come out the same time the episodes go up.

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So it'll just be up on Stitcher Premium. And you can get a free month of Stitcher Premium

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at stitcherpremium.com and use the promo code MURDER. So yeah, and just in case you don't want ads.

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Yeah, there's people that pay for their podcast hosting so that it doesn't take up a bunch of bytes and gigabytes.

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That's right, another reason, because you don't put down. And memory bytes on your computer.

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So if that's a thing, or you're just rich, or you hate ads, there's all these reasons.

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But look into Stitcher Premium because it's a good way to have some ad-free podcast enjoyment.

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All right, so here's an email Stephen pulled for us. and the subject line is episode 105.

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And it says, Hello, a friend of mine had just listened to episode 105 about your review of the Netflix movie Murder on the Cape

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and the Krista Worthington murder. She told me to check it out. I had never heard of your show,

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so I looked it up and listened to it this morning. I played Tony Jacket. No! In the movie Mike Luna.

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Jacket is emailing us? It's the actor playing jacket. No, it's jacket. I thought your description in the review of the movie was totally accurate.

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And so is the breakdown you provided for the actual murder case. I have lived and worked in the area my whole life.

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And I remember the events pretty well. I'm not an actor and never claimed to be one!

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I have been a welder by trade for 20 years. Oh my God, I'm sweating. And I work all over the Cape.

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One fall Saturday in 2014, I happened to be working on a job. in Provincetown, and one of the producers for that movie saw me working and begged me to go to an audition.

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That's like a dream come true for some people. It's like the beginning of a dirty Hollywood porn.

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I was skeptical of course but I went anyway A few months later they called me back and told me I had the part if I wanted it So I was just in the right place at the right time It was fun and I learned a lot and I glad I did it

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Keep up the good work. Best regards, Josh. Josh. Here's the best part. Josh, underneath his name, like a businessman, has the name of the fabrication and welding company

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that he clearly owns and works for. Let's give him a shout-out. Walter. his name is Josh Walther

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and he works at Walther Fabrication and Welding in Brewster, Massachusetts amazing

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the idea that he wasn't an actor he did, I wish I'd known that he did an amazing job

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you gotta listen to this episode holy shit Josh, I can't remember what I said I hope I wasn't too critical

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I did enjoy watching Murder on the Cape for what it was this podcast has reach and it's weird

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and it all is just so weird. It really is weird because it's like it'll be like six months later, but

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we recorded it, so it's permanent. Totally. Don't talk too much shit. Ladies and ladies,

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Karen and Georgia. God bless that casting director who's just driving around Provincetown

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like, that one. I want him in my office tomorrow. She's so sick of all the actual actors

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that are coming in from the local theater trying to talk like this. She's like, I just want a normal person, like a welder or something.

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Hey. Yes. Look at that guy with the rad eyebrows. He looks like a jacket. He looks, he could be a perfect jacket.

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He could be a jacket. He could be an onions. He could be a whole. That's right. An everyman.

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Just a noun last name based everyman. You know that we love that here on my favorite noun last name.

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My favorite noun man. Well, is that the end of business? I guess so. As we know it.

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I guess this concludes the business podcast portion of this podcast. I feel like I would like to say this episode for myself anyway,

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has the most, uh, slopped together feel for the fact that we just haven't done normal

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podcast. Are you saying so long about your story? You mean? Yes, for sure. I'm pre warning you about my story,

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but then also it's that thing of like, we've been doing so many other things. This is the thing we actually do and we haven't done it in so long.

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My favorite part, and I forgot how it works. Yes. I don't remember how it works.

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I don't think I remember being this boring usually. I feel like we're a little bit funnier usually.

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Yeah. Usually we give ourselves. No, listen, criticism taken. Look. Listen, we usually give ourselves a little more, but it's like, I feel like because we

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haven't taken care of business in so long, it's just like, get out there with the announcement.

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This person's been telling us that we need to do this. This person. So we had to get all this shit out here.

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Listen, all we want to do is talk to you guys about murder. Look, all we want to do is sit at Crooked and talk straight with you and Steven.

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Steven really is the one that's cracking the whip on us. And I'm fucking sick of it because everybody thinks he's so nice and dresses up like a dinosaur and how sweet that is and takes pictures with everybody.

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And that's all true. Yes. He always dressed like a dinosaur. Day and night. Day and night.

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He's in the corner right now. In fact, I happen to know he's at Universal Studios today drinking.

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I'm calling you out, Steven. What were you doing? I was, I got ready this morning.

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And so I was like, I do a little treat for myself before I come to recording. Okay.

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We have to go over sip by sip. You can't see the problem is you can't put it on Instagram because Vince all day was

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like, Stephen's drinking a beer. Stephen's having a margarita. I like how Vince is calling me out.

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That's right. He will absolutely monitor your shit. To be fair, it was a birthday gift that you guys gave me.

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That's true. Way to throw it in our face. I wanted to show you because I've been going so much.

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It was worn out and they couldn't read the barcode anymore. Oh, my God. The best gift we've ever given.

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That was really something. It really is. It was Vince's idea. When is your birthday?

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Sorry. In April. He's been using that. Yeah. Oh, my God. You guys, this looks like an antique poster if Harry Potter Universal Studios Hollywood

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was a movie from 1930. That's what this little piece of paper looks like. Like a train ticket.

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there hasn't been a train around Universal Studios around here. Why? You can't get through the brick wall.

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I'm trying to make a Harry Potter reference, but my brain isn't going fast enough.

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They have three customer service people trying to read the numbers, and they were like taking bets to see who could get the numbers right.

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So you were all taking shots at the same time? Yeah, really. I was going to say, is that before or after the drinking camp?

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I think because Horror Nights is over, nobody has anything to do. Oh, right. Yeah.

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All that extra holiday staff they hired. Man, we've got to get Universal Studios to fucking, what's it called?

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Sponsor this, Steven. Yeah, that's right. I'm into it. Now, where do you go to have your beverages, Steven?

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Do you not want to give away your hang at Universal Studios? I mostly just grab a Modelo down by the old Jurassic area that's all closed.

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Do you work at the bar there? Do you have to get an extra job because we don't pay you enough?

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I get tips that way. Do you brown bag in a 40 of Modelo and just sip it by a closed?

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That's what I think is the best about Universal Studios is there's alcohol for sale everywhere.

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And corndogs. Parents, you don't have to suffer at Universal Studios. That's right.

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They don't want you to. And the tall cans, too. Yeah. That's amazing. A tall boy?

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Yeah. It's like it's fucking Dodger Stadium or something. Hells to the yes. Well, no, I guess it is like Dodger Stadium because they are like 10 bucks.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're going to make you pay. Yeah. That's why it shouldn't be your total hangout.

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No. Just special occasion hangout. That's true. Like right before recording one of the biggest fucking podcasts.

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No, I don't care. Yeah, tonight's the big one. Just make sure you hit record already.

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karen goes first i almost dropped the mic all right don't drop that mic yet You did cover the basics like Steven has a piece of paper in his notebook.

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He's like, oh, they're going to ask me is shit. So you warned us. I warned you. Are we getting read an episode of I Survived?

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No, it's it's sloppier than that, if you can imagine. Well, here's this is the thing, because I actually did have a couple fully written murders left over from when we were in the Bay Area that I like changed my mind at the last minute.

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Yeah. But this is one that I have somebody recommended it to me probably a year ago and probably when we were going to play Toronto or Montreal, maybe because it's a it's a Canadian story.

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But it wasn't long enough to do like it didn't feel long enough ever. Yeah. So it's just been sitting in this little folder.

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Shorties are fine. I feel like I feel like we're always trying so hard to be like five or six pages and there's all these involved things.

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But sometimes there's like a really cool story. And it looks like you have one piece of paper right there.

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There's a couple pieces. But it was the thing where I'm tired of looking at it because I like it enough to not delete it, but not enough to do it.

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Got it. So I'm just doing it. Okay, great. This is a story somebody, and if you are the one that told me about this, it probably would have happened on Twitter.

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Please write to Stephen. Send him an email and say I'm the one that recommended it.

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Send him a Modelo. Send Stephen a gift certificate for his beer at the Universal Studios.

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For fucking... Oh my God. A can of Tallboy? A Tallboy can? I was going to say amusement park beer,

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but it almost came out advertisement park beer. Oh dear. Tie tie. Karen, let's get through this

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and you can go to bed. Let's just get through this. God damn it. Sign up for Stitcher Premium.

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They're like, oh, is it talk free too? because I'll sign up to hear you guys shut the fuck up.

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Yeah, I can't wait until you guys are fully entertainment free. Okay, this is the story of the pilot Randy Mock.

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Okay, so the articles I got this information from are the Edmonton Journal and the Desiree News.

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And this happened in Alberta, Canada on September 23rd of 1992. Great. So I'll start you, I'm going to back you up a little bit,

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But the frustrating thing is there's no information about this guy. There's no like it's not one of those stories where it's like he grew up here and he went to this school.

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It's nothing like that that I could find. It's just this event that happened and a little bit before.

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So basically, in April of 1989, this guy, Randy Mock, gets his private pilot's license from the Edmonton Flying Club.

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and the people who belong to that club they described him as a skilled pilot who had hopes of becoming

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a commercial pilot for a major airline but just three years later all of that will get thrown out the window

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the airplane window the airplane's window basically we cut to the summer of 1992

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Randy Mock's 30 years old and he is having a very bad time of things that June and he had been laid off as an aircraft refueler at Sky Harbor Aviation at Edmonton's International

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airport and then in august uh his 23 year old girlfriend donna lawrence and donna spells her

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name no d-a-w-n-a donna the minute you said how she spells her name i was like there's gonna be

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a motherfucking w in there and i'm gonna fucking hate it so the name donna is like one of the

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greatest 70s names of all time but then when you combine it with the name don which is this

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Say her name. Third greatest 70s name of all time. It's, I mean, I couldn't ask for more.

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I mean, it's another one of those. Imagine a baby named Donna. Donna. It's this baby Donna.

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How does this baby have black roots and bleach blonde hair? I can't believe it. Should that baby be smoking a Capri?

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I really feel like and drinking a fucking watermelon. Just let me split this Capri with Donna the baby.

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I have to get through today. It's all I need. Donna has those small circular lighters that she keeps in the pack.

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the baby Donna, you know, those lighters that like go in the back because somehow she's always,

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she's never on a fresh pack. She's always like six cigarettes in. She's, she's Donna is the original person who sent a child to the store to get her

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cigarettes. She's the first and the foremost. That's right. It's all about living your fucking life.

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Right, Donna. We love you, Donna. We love you, Donna. So, okay. So Donna is 23 at this time.

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Great. She's dating Randy Mock. and she breaks up with him and she moves back in with her parents.

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So the two of them, Donna and Randy, had moved in to his Southside apartment for like four to six weeks.

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Kind of whirlwindy. She moved out, moved back home, in with her parents in Alberta,

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who lived at 149A Avenue at 72nd Street. So that's the neighborhood this all takes place in.

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Don't know it. You might not be familiar with it, but the people of Alberta, the proud citizens of Alberta are like not at 149 Avenue.

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That's my favorite intersection. Oh my God. That's the intersection where it all goes down.

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Right. Maple syrup, poutine, whatnot. Really good Kit Kat. Oh, you just stand on that corner and eat a fucking Kit Kat.

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Where was we were somewhere? Oh, we got shipped from our Vancouver show. We got shipped,

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uh, all the gifts that we take home from everybody. And there was a bag of candy and I go throw in all the,

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Kit Kats and George is like, there aren't any. They're already gone because we ate them all in the venue.

00:26:27

We ate them while we were standing there. Canada, please stop. Yes. Don't stop bringing us Kit Kat.

00:26:31

Oh, God. But they sent us a really sweet ass Cadbury Carmelo or Caramel one. That's right.

00:26:40

God damn, that thing is extraordinary. I mean, just Canada has better candy. That's all.

00:26:46

Okay. So now we're back in that neighborhood in Alberta. Donna is also seven months pregnant.

00:26:51

So you can kind of see that like they're together. They're having this romance. She gets knocked up.

00:26:57

She's like, let's make it work. And then four to six weeks later, she's like, see you super later.

00:27:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Randy's everything in Randy's life is kind of the shits. Okay.

00:27:09

As my dad would say, the shits, the shits. So just after midnight on September 30th, 1992.

00:27:15

So Randy's trying to get back together with Donna. And she's just like, please. he calls her parents house

00:27:21

Donna's parents house she refuses to talk to him he tells her so I guess but he gets her on the phone enough

00:27:29

to say in about an hour go to your front window and look out because quote you're going to see something

00:27:35

spectacular she hangs up on him and goes to bed his dick is he just going to be standing out there with his dick

00:27:42

just pointing to his dick and being like am I right about the spectacularity of this thing

00:27:47

remember this thing Don't forget about him. She's like, it's not going to work, dude.

00:27:52

It worked the one time. I still have to deal with it. Right. Okay. So she goes to bed at 1.34 a.m. that night.

00:28:00

Randy goes down to the Edmonton Municipal Airport. He gets into his 1969 Cessna 150H two-seater airplane.

00:28:10

Okay. Which is his pride and joy. It's his plane. Right. It's vintage. um he puts on his vintage aviator glasses the leather cap right helmet thing

00:28:21

you know that thing yep like Lindbergh uh-huh he puts a little he wraps a scarf around his neck

00:28:27

like Lindbergh um okay and he basically takes off oh shit it's 1 30 in the morning middle slash

00:28:35

middle of the night don't do it it's not a good idea and he heads on over to Donna's parents house

00:28:40

and he begins flying back and forth directly over the house, making these huge loops between Donna's parents' house and the airport,

00:28:50

just buzz and buzzing the house. Nothing says, I'll be a great father. You should totally get back together with me.

00:28:56

I'm stable and have my shit together like that. Like a quick airplane buzz of your dad's house.

00:29:02

Uh-huh. Yeah. So he then, as he's kind of in the middle of this, He contacts the flight service station at the Edmonton International Airport around a little after 1.30.

00:29:15

He indicates that he intends to crash the plane into Donna's parents' house. Oh, no.

00:29:20

Now, unfortunately, and I imagine that the flight service station is similar, if not the same as a control tower.

00:29:27

It's not the language they use, but that's what I'm guessing. And no one there answers because it's 1.30 in the morning and they work from 6 a.m. till like around 8.

00:29:36

Yeah. And that's it. So, and he should know that cause he worked at that airport, but so no one,

00:29:42

right. No one calls back or no one responds to his, what isn't really an SOS or breaker breaker breaker. This is,

00:29:48

it's just a bad boyfriend announcement. Um, so after one pass Donna and her family run to their car and they drive to the London Dairy police station which is only a few blocks away And now at this point the cops at the Londonderry police station or the Royal Canadian Mounted

00:30:06

Police, they are called up there for short. They know about what's going on because the entire neighborhood has woken up and called

00:30:14

the police. Holy fucking shit. There's a plane and not just doing circles. Yeah, he wasn't.

00:30:21

In the air. No. buzzing the house so that at one point and he would be dipping down and cutting out the engine

00:30:26

and people were like easy kind of crash now he clipped the top off of a tree he was coming like

00:30:32

within feet of the roof of the house and in the dark no yeah so people are shitting so he's swooping

00:30:40

dipping and buzzing um right above the houses uh clips top branches of a tree so finally police go

00:30:48

into the neighborhood and they evacuate around a hundred people out of the neighborhood because

00:30:52

they don't know what this fucking guy is going to do. And they get them all to go over to the local

00:30:56

shopping mall parking lot for safety. So a woman who lived in the neighborhood named Yolanda Rovere,

00:31:04

she went over to the, she got evacuated. And she was quoted in the press as saying,

00:31:10

every time it came by, I picture her voice to be kind of high and dreamlike. I love it already.

00:31:15

every time it came by i drive to a different part of the lot to get out of its way it was unreal

00:31:21

like a dream only it was real yolanda that's yolanda freaking the fuck out i love you so

00:31:30

she's just sitting in her car stay staring at this plane and every time it would come anywhere

00:31:34

near she would drive to a different part of the parking lot oh is this a dream or is it sorry is

00:31:39

this a dream okay he does this for nearly two hours what a dick buzzing the house go to sleep

00:31:47

and finally the police negotiators get into that control tower thing they get him on the horn on

00:31:52

the plane um and they try to talk him down and try to get him to land and at first he refuses to

00:32:00

speak to them but then finally when he's getting closer to running out of fuel he demands to talk

00:32:06

Sure. To Donna, D-A-W-N-A. Of course, she refuses to speak to him because she's like, no, you're now you're full nuts and there's no engaging you whatsoever.

00:32:15

Smart move, Donna. So finally, he says to the police, quote, I'm almost out of gas, man.

00:32:22

You know, nobody takes me seriously. There's a lot of people asleep down there and it'd be a disaster if I ran out of gas where I am right now.

00:32:29

What? Yeah. So, but police are like, they've already evacuated the area. They've gotten people to safety.

00:32:38

And they're kind of ready for the worst. And that's exactly what happens. At 3.15 a.m., the engine on Randy Mock's plane sputters and stalls out for the last time.

00:32:48

And then he glides the plane down neatly into the Lorenz's living room window. What?

00:32:56

Just fucking glides it down. runs out of gas and then he just crashes it right through their living room window holy shit and

00:33:04

there's a theory that when he called and said look out the front window you're in within an hour you're

00:33:09

about to see something spectacular he thought he would trick her into standing in that window while

00:33:14

he crashed into the house no yeah that's the theory yeah yeah yeah that makes sense but of

00:33:19

course he knows don ain't like that no she's not gonna be standing around some window like

00:33:24

What is it? Yeah. Is it your dick? Is it that good dick? Okay. So another witness from the mall, and this is kind of, to me, worth the entire bothering

00:33:36

to tell this story. Another witness from the mall is named Don Rudko. And he was so close to the crash, but like seeing the airplane before it crashed, that

00:33:46

he actually watched as Randy Mock casually flicked a cigarette butt out the airplane

00:33:52

window a few seconds before he crashed it into the house holy shit he told the press quote i could

00:33:59

see the red spark as he tossed it out i thought this guy must be cool hand luke he's here he is

00:34:05

he's gonna kill himself and he flicks a cigarette out the window yeah it's a little baller it's

00:34:10

well it's so like done and done oh my god he's just that's a man with nothing to lose so

00:34:16

so he crashes it into the front of the house obviously inside the crash site the cockpit

00:34:21

with the injured pilot inside Randy Mock comes to arrest in the living room. Holy shit.

00:34:27

The wings of the plane are sticking out on either side of the demolished front door.

00:34:31

And the fire department has to go in and use the jaws of life on the cockpit to pull Randy Mock out of the cockpit.

00:34:39

Oh my God. Which is so funny because when I was reading that, the jaws of life, when they were like an invention,

00:34:44

it's basically like a different version of a buzzsaw that the fire department uses when people are trapped in cars.

00:34:50

Yeah. So they used to have to just pull doors open, like either jimmy them open or like pull them open with their hands. Yeah. And oftentimes in really bad car accidents, they would get crashed so that you couldn't move the door. Right. And people would die inside of cars because they'd be injured and the fire department couldn't get them out. Right. And I still remember when they started using the, they call them the jaws of life.

00:35:13

my dad would come home and tell these stories about what what an amazing invention it is because

00:35:20

he could like that all of a sudden they could rescue these people that were inside I remember

00:35:25

I know I've heard all about them since I was a kid but like so it's like a buzzsaw I thought it

00:35:28

was like a big prior the priors or something like that well that's what it sounds like yeah but it

00:35:32

actually is it's from what I remember seeing in pictures it just basically looks like a chainsaw

00:35:40

that you can use on metal. So it's like, I'm sure there's a way they pry them as well,

00:35:45

but it's basically like a way to get into a jammed door. Damn. I know. Crazy. So they have to go in

00:35:51

and get him out using the Jaws of Life. They actually carry him out of the house through the back door and like leave a line of blood on the linoleum so he was like inside the house which is such a fucking crazy thing to think um he taken

00:36:06

to the hospital with serious skull fractures and facial injuries and he ends up dying in the

00:36:11

hospital a month later and donna's father um told the press quote i told him he wasn't welcome in my

00:36:19

home i guess this is how he got in um and he gave the press that quote while standing in his living

00:36:24

room filled with shattered glass and bits of aluminum fuselage holy shit and then donna's

00:36:31

brother they didn't have his first name he says to the press it was one of those love things

00:36:37

what the hell is this kid 12 he's like this is love he was there's no way he wasn't super high

00:36:44

on drugs um because buddy that's not love at all it's quite the opposite now uh here's how we know

00:36:53

it's not a love thing because actually Randy mock in 1908 had already made the papers because Randy

00:36:59

mock tried to sue an ex-girlfriend his who was 18 years old at the time so he was like in his late

00:37:06

20s and she was 18 because he'd gotten her pregnant she broke up with him and then wanted to get an

00:37:11

abortion and he was granted a temporary injunction to prevent her from getting getting an abortion

00:37:18

because he argued that he and the woman, 18-year-old, had agreed to have a family, and he wanted to raise the child.

00:37:26

Wow. So they put a 48-hour injunction on her. Her body. Yes, on her fucking body,

00:37:32

and then a judge refused to extend it past the 48 hours, and she immediately went and had an abortion

00:37:38

because she did not want to have a child with him. Jesus Christ. So clearly he had some issues with women and relationships and what his part in their role he had in their lives was.

00:37:54

So, of course, looking for trying to beef this story up a little bit more because it's so fucking crazy.

00:38:00

Yeah. I go on Reddit. Yeah. And Reddit basically is they somebody was like, I remember a story of a guy telling a girl to stand in the front window.

00:38:07

And it sounds like a ghost story at first. turns out it's the randy mock story and then at the end of the thread someone says it's just like

00:38:16

that thing that happened in august of this year so then i fucking click on that link thank you

00:38:22

reddit uh-huh so august of this year in salt lake city a 47 year old man named duane yud y-o-u-d

00:38:30

dies when he flies a twin engine cessna 525 into his own house after he's arrested for

00:38:39

domestic violence. So basically, he's a pilot. He works for like a private company as their

00:38:46

like on call pilot. So he has full access to the employer's plane and the digital access code to

00:38:53

the airplane hangar at the very small Spanish Fork Spring, Springville Airport in Salt Lake City,

00:39:01

where there are no air towers, there's no aircraft traffic control monitoring at all.

00:39:06

They don't monitor who takes off and lands. They're like, go have fun. Yes. So essentially, he gets he he has witnessed beating his wife.

00:39:15

He gets arrested. He gets held in jail for like two hours. He makes bail. He goes straight to this airport.

00:39:22

He takes up his boss's plane and he has and he has to then fly to crash into his own house.

00:39:29

He has to fly under high voltage power lines of go around other houses, comes right in.

00:39:36

and holy shit can you imagine being one of those houses that is a fucking plane is going around

00:39:41

yes i mean no it's like that's crazy you'd be like what in the living fuck and it was

00:39:47

uh at this time it was 2 30 in the morning oh my god he crashes it's like kind of like what

00:39:54

sully sullenberger did on the fucking hudson except for the bad version of it yeah he crashes

00:40:01

into their house and his wife and 24 year old son escape. The house catches on fire and they run out the back and they get away and he

00:40:12

dies in the crash. That's crazy. It's not fucking crazy. And then at the end of that article,

00:40:19

I swear to God, it says this is the second bizarre airplane incident in recent days.

00:40:24

I wouldn't call that bizarre. I call that a fucking psycho dick nightmare. Yeah.

00:40:29

Yes. Abuser. Well, also, I think it's like we look at pilots. They're so people who fly planes have to have nerves of steel.

00:40:37

They have to be constantly the most reasonable person everywhere they go because they have to handle shit.

00:40:44

They're like the bottom line of handling shit. Yeah. And it seems to me 99% of most pilots do exactly that at all times.

00:40:52

You'd hope. I mean, right. It seems like they just do it. So when one loses their shit, it's like because the quotes they had in that article,

00:41:01

the people that he worked for um for 13 months so not forever but still they were like he was

00:41:07

rock solid he was like of course he was the golden boy on this like facade of this this normal i've

00:41:12

got my shit together and then they just then snap but it looks but it's calculated and

00:41:19

and like you can smoke a cigarette and fucking right before you crash a fucking plane because

00:41:24

you're just so used to being like acting like everything's fine and normal that's right as

00:41:29

you're doing the craziest thing anyone could do you're also like anyway smoke is a thing okay uh

00:41:36

yeah so and also i think it's that thing of like when the veneer cracks because he had been

00:41:42

witnessed beating his wife then arrested for it so it all was like any secrets that they had at

00:41:47

home were now fully public and he was like the end like family annihilator style we're not we

00:41:53

can live through this Right But apparently so at the end of that article it was it said it the second bizarre airplane incident in recent days quote unquote bizarre On Friday an employee stole a turboprop plane from the SeaTac International Airport in Seattle and flew it for more than an hour before dying in a crash on an island southwest of Tacoma

00:42:13

What the? Oh, I remember that. Yeah, when someone just stole an airplane and then crashed it.

00:42:19

That's right. And killed themselves. Yeah. so that's my short sweet and super insane like here's some weird airplane stories crazy i want

00:42:30

to know more about that last one because the guy seemed totally normal and he didn't he wasn't

00:42:34

trying to hurt anyone that one he was just but he was i mean if he's a pilot the way he did that

00:42:43

you know like but you can only get so far you have so much fuel yeah you know what the end game is

00:42:48

when you take a plane up in the air, that's part of your job, I think, as a pilot.

00:42:52

This guy just seemed to like, kind of snap. Yeah. And I don't think he, I don't think he was a pilot.

00:42:58

I think he was like, worked with planes. And so he didn't even know how to land.

00:43:03

You think that's what it was? And so he, I don't know. Yeah, I'll have to look in more.

00:43:07

It does say an employee. So it's so you're right. It doesn't say a pilot. Yeah. That's crazy.

00:43:12

Wow. Yeah. I was gonna look that one up too. And then I'm like, is this now I'm just belaboring the fact that.

00:43:18

I just had two small stories, but still so crazy. Yeah, that's creepy. That's weird.

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00:46:09

Okay, well, speaking of Seattle. Oh. I'm not going to tell you too much about this because I want you to kind of guess some shit.

00:46:16

But this is basically the Seattle cyanide poisonings. My first guess was going to be Bigfoot.

00:46:23

But I guess that now that I hear the word cyanide, I'm going to take, I'm going to retract it.

00:46:26

Okay. Okay. It's not Bigfoot. Okay. Okay. June 11th, 1986. Right after my sixth birthday in Auburn, Washington.

00:46:35

Right after my 16th birthday. Oh, man. We had a surprise party. It was fun. Cute.

00:46:39

So, Auburn, Washington. It's a suburb about 25 miles outside of Seattle. 40-year-old Susan Snow.

00:46:46

She's a mother of two teenage girls. She works as a bank manager. She woke up at 6 a.m. and started her normal morning routine.

00:46:54

She kissed her husband, Paul, who was a long-haul trucker, goodbye as he left for work.

00:46:58

And wished her 15-year-old daughter Haley a good morning, goes into her bathroom, plugs in her curling iron, starts to get ready for work.

00:47:07

But another one of her normal routines in the morning, which she did all the time because she suffered from really painful headaches,

00:47:15

she took her pretty much daily dose of two extra strength Excedrin capsules from the bottle in her kitchen.

00:47:25

Oh, shit. That's right. about 40 minutes after she went into her bathroom to get ready her daughter Haley went into the

00:47:31

bathroom to see what was taking her mom so long no I know and found Sue collapsed on the floor

00:47:36

of the bathroom um Sue was unresponsive but had a faint pulse and when Haley called 911 she told

00:47:43

them that it seemed like her mother was asleep but with her eyes open oh no I know that's so awful

00:47:49

it's so sad um gasping for breath and her pulse fading Sue's flown by helicopter to the hospital

00:47:56

where doctors work to determine what is even wrong with her. They don't know how to help

00:48:00

because they can't figure out what's wrong. Maybe she slipped while getting ready and hit her head,

00:48:04

but she didn't have any bruises. Had she been electrocuted by the curling iron? No.

00:48:09

And nothing seemed to add up. And so doctors were baffled. And just a few hours later, Sue Snow had died.

00:48:15

Shit. Yeah. During the autopsy on Sue Snow, this chick, assistant, she's the assistant medical examiner, Janet Miller.

00:48:24

She's like, yo, I fucking smell a very faint scent of bitter almonds, which I know from experience means cyanide.

00:48:34

Now, you were pointing at yourself, Georgia, but you were playing the part. Janet.

00:48:38

It's like, yo. You were in the role of Janet. Yes. Janet knows from experience that that's the scent that bitter almonds.

00:48:45

Historically speaking. Historically. The book that was written about this is named Bitter Almonds.

00:48:49

Is it really? Yeah. Because also it's kind of a play on words. It is. As you'll see soon.

00:48:58

The main medical examiner person was like, shut up, you assistant, be quiet. I don't smell anything.

00:49:05

And they're like, well, and also doesn't show any of the telltale signs of cyanide poisoning.

00:49:09

Like her skin wasn't bright pink, that sort of thing. So she was like, blew her off.

00:49:13

She was going to just put down that she died of natural causes, had an undiagnosed heart issue.

00:49:19

And Janet, then later, this doctor comes in to say to the main person, so what happened?

00:49:25

And and she starts to tell her like, oh, it's just a heart issue. And Janet's like, yo, motherfuckers, you should probably listen to me and like told another doctor was like, good.

00:49:35

This bitch is not listening to me. You should listen to me. Awesome. Amazing. And her fucking politeness and saying and not staying in her lane might have saved a bunch of other lives.

00:49:46

I bet it did. I bet it did. because so uh when they sent janet's uh you know tissue blood things sure information information

00:49:56

when it was tested it was verified that snow had died of an acute cyanide poisoning

00:50:00

and then i wrote and jan janet was like booyah bitches and toasted her badassness with her

00:50:05

friends that night probably don't you think they all had like champagne and was like i fucking told

00:50:09

this bitch it was it was fucking cyanide also why resist if you're looking into someone's death

00:50:16

A 40 year old woman dies unexpectedly. There's no explanation. And someone smells the faintest bit of fucking bitter almonds.

00:50:23

And also just like it's that thing of how many years of coroners being like, I guess it's a it was a heart embolism or like some weird made up thing where it's like, or look into it.

00:50:34

Right. Or if one person smells almonds. Yeah. And the thing about cyanide, too, is that the ability to smell it is genetic.

00:50:43

And 20 to 40 percent of the population don't carry the gene to detect it. oh then you shouldn't be allowed to be the coroner that's right or you should have someone who can

00:50:50

yes i don't know um these are the things we're going to get solved in the next midterm election

00:50:56

that's right we're going to have about a ballot measure and it's going to be great smell that

00:51:01

smell that cyanide hey does it smell like cyanide to you then get the fuck out of this department

00:51:06

apartment yeah so um investigators go and examine the contents at of sue's house and they discover

00:51:15

that the source of the cyanide is the bottle of extra strength excedrin capsules that both snow

00:51:21

and her husband paul had used the morning of snow's death three capsules out of those that

00:51:26

remain in the 60 capsule bottle were found to be laced with cyanide and toxic quantities so the

00:51:31

husband fucking took some she took some and she died and there was three more in there whoa that

00:51:36

or cyanide laced, right? Suspicious. And so this murder by cyanide is a fucking huge sensational news,

00:51:44

of course, across the nation. And everyone loses their shit, especially because just four years earlier

00:51:50

was the 1982 Chicago Tylenol murders that I covered in episode 43. Yes, I looked that up.

00:51:58

That's still one of my favorites. I covered in episode 43. I covered. All I'm saying is I'm not going to get into it

00:52:04

because you know what I mean. I like that you're referencing your own story. Yeah, I just don't want to talk too much about it.

00:52:11

But it is still like, I love that case so much. I still fucking think that Ted Kaczynski did it.

00:52:16

I think it's just like, it's so crazy. It's such a fascinating story. It really is.

00:52:21

It's a good lesson. And then, so of course, the Chicago Tylenol murders scared the shit out of everyone.

00:52:27

Seven people died when Tylenol capsules had been laced with cyanide and put back on store

00:52:31

shelves. And those murders four years later and to this fucking day have yet to be solved.

00:52:36

I remember all of this. This is this was all my teen years. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy.

00:52:41

Do you remember this story? I do because because it happened after and it had that thing of like this was before.

00:52:49

It's the thing now that's happening all the time. Right. It's it's because it was before the silver tabs that used to go on top of everything.

00:52:55

Right. There used to you used to just open stuff and there would just be cotton stuff.

00:52:59

Right. And that was the way that they kept things safe for everybody. There wasn't even childproofing back then.

00:53:04

No, there was kind of nothing. So it was that thing of like, yeah, it doesn't make sense that anyone could have access.

00:53:11

Right. It's good that anyone with a glue stick who can glue the paper box back together and put it back on the shelves.

00:53:18

Any weirdo they hire at the weirdo grocery store down the street can get into your business.

00:53:23

That's right. It's the thing you don't know. You don't realize it until something terrible happens like this.

00:53:29

Right. So this happens. And of course, suspicion immediately falls on Sue's husband, Paul, especially when he

00:53:35

started wearing Hawaiian shirts and shorts after the funeral. No, like he was on fucking vacay.

00:53:41

No. Right. And he got angry when investigators started questioning him. So, of course, everyone's like, dude, it's Paul.

00:53:47

And he was Sue was his fourth wife. Oh, the two daughters weren't from her previous marriages.

00:53:54

They only been married about seven months before Susan death And Susan had found out that Paul had cheated on her with an ex Jesus But had decided to stay with him Right So everyone suspicious of him Sorry they only been married seven months and he already cheated on her

00:54:08

Yeah. Maybe they, I don't know when he cheated, but yeah. I mean. He might have cheated before they got married, but they had only been married for seven months.

00:54:14

Just don't get married. Just don't cheat. I know. Just don't. I know. Just don't.

00:54:20

Please. But. But then they do. Then they do. Okay. Um, so everyone's like, it's totally him, right?

00:54:28

It's Hawaiian shirt, Joe. Hawaiian shirt, dude. Yeah. Okay. But then everything gets crazy and mixed up when another tainted bottle from the same lot, the same manufactured lot was found in a grocery store in nearby Kent, Washington.

00:54:43

Fuck. The manufacturers of Excedrin, Bristol Myers, lost their shit, recalled all extra strength Excedrin products in the Seattle, Washington area.

00:54:52

And a group of drug companies came together to offer a $300,000 reward for the capture of the person responsible.

00:54:57

That's pretty cool. Right. The last cool thing any drug company ever did. That's right.

00:55:02

Before they started trying to murder all of us. I have proof of something shitty they did in just a second.

00:55:08

That's pretty great. That's when. Okay. So then this money comes forward. Like, we need help finding this.

00:55:13

And then this woman, bless her heart, comes forward. Oh, this woman's name is Stella Nickel.

00:55:20

She tells authorities that on June 5th, it's about a week before Susan had died, about a week before her husband, Stella's husband, Bruce, had come home with a headache from work, took in a bunch of took in taking a bunch of Excedrin's.

00:55:36

He fucking strolled out to onto the deck to watch the birds and then suddenly collapsed.

00:55:41

Oh, God. He was taken by a helicopter to a Seattle hospital and he died as well.

00:55:45

But the doctor said that the cause was emphysema at the time. And Stella said that doesn't make any fucking sense.

00:55:51

He didn't have eczema. Did I say emphysema or did I say eczema? You said emphysema.

00:55:57

Great. She was like, he didn't have, maybe he had eczema, but he didn't have emphysema.

00:56:04

You can't drop dead from emphysema if you don't got it. If you don't have it. Right.

00:56:08

So she was like, fuck this shit. You need to change. That's not true. Right. Okay, so here's, all right.

00:56:14

In what was supposed to be the 1991 USA Network made-for-TV movie about this case, called Who Killed Susan Snow.

00:56:23

Right. This chick Stella, our friend Stella over here, 44-year-old Stella, was to be played by Peggy fucking Bundy.

00:56:30

Yes. Katie Segal. Katie Segal. Who is, if you see this woman, it looks so much like her.

00:56:37

I don't want to show you a photo, but it looks so much like her. It's like they basically wanted her to be Peggy Bundy, but it was like roots and like kind of look a little worn and like she had lived a hard life.

00:56:48

Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it looks exactly like her. According to a 1988 People article, Stella was into, quote, bar hopping and skin tied dresses.

00:56:58

She was just like a 40 something year old who just like to go to the fucking local watering holes, smoke her capris with her skinny lighter in there and fucking drink.

00:57:05

And live. Drink and live. And finally live her life. live like a fish drink like a person yeah um and so she had married bruce and he was into that shit

00:57:15

too so they were like partying all the time awesome bruce was match made in heaven exactly

00:57:20

bruce was stella's second husband and their life together in a wash and they lived in a washington

00:57:24

straight state trailer park and apparently it was kind of a bummer of a life though okay as

00:57:30

you can imagine okay but unfortunately uh the the plug got pulled on this film this made-for-TV movie

00:57:37

because the drug companies, Big Pharma, was like, no, no, no, you're not making us possibly look bad

00:57:43

and they fucking pulled the plug. Because that's who actually controls entertainment.

00:57:47

That's right. So that means I don't know who was going to play anyone else. But we can speculate.

00:57:54

When Stella, who was like, you need to keep looking, he didn't die of emphysema, when she heard about

00:57:59

Sue's death, she was like, oh, shit, and checked her lot number on her Excedrin, it was the same lot number as Susan's bottle.

00:58:07

Whoa. Okay. Yeah. So, test confirmed the presence of cyanide in the bottle that she had and in Bruce Nichols

00:58:16

remains. So, he had died from the same thing. So, both Paul, Susan's husband Paul and our friend Stella filed wrongful lawsuits against

00:58:26

Bristol Myers, but the FDA inspected the plant work the Excedrin lot had been packaged and

00:58:30

found no traces of cyanide. Okay. still bristol myers recalled all excedrin capsules in the united states pulled them from the shelves

00:58:38

and warned consumers not to use any they already had so it's like a million dollar loss yeah i i

00:58:44

don't think i've because if i remember correctly they were the white pills right i think extra

00:58:51

strength excedrin i think they're still at the time the ones that you can pull apart and put

00:58:54

shit in them really i don't know uh well from what i remember there were it was looked like

00:58:59

hard aspirin. Yeah. Where I was like, how do you do anything to that pill? But I could just be

00:59:05

remembering it that one way. Who knows? Who knows? Not me. So on June 24, just a couple weeks after

00:59:11

Sue's death, a cyanide contaminated bottle of extra strength, uh, Anacin 3, which doesn't exist.

00:59:17

Anacin 3 was the shit. Tell us, Karen. Anacin, wasn't that one that was like, marketed toward back pain.

00:59:28

Oh, yeah. I feel like it was. Also, Dones. Remember Dones back pills? No. Dones were like strictly back pills.

00:59:34

They were just cocaine. It would just numb you out from like your C4 down. That's right.

00:59:40

Yeah. So a bottle of those were found at the same store where Susan had bought her contaminated

00:59:46

Excedrin, and those were contaminated as well. So on June 27th Washington State put into effect a 90 ban on the sale of non medication in capsules So I think a capsule capsule Yeah So I think that it the kind that you can tamper makes that would make much more sense Sure But who knows So investigators then at that point they started to get suspicious of someone specific who are from Stella

01:00:12

because she turned over two bottles of Excedrin that she had bought. And she was like, these are

01:00:17

the bottles that he might have taken them from. But then she was like, I bought them at two

01:00:21

different locations at two different times. So, and they had both ended up being contaminated

01:00:26

with cyanide. So a total of five bottles had been found to be contaminated in the entire

01:00:30

fucking country. And they thought it was really weird that Stella had bought two of those at two

01:00:35

different places. Quite a coincidence. Quite a weird coincidence. Then, okay, examinations of

01:00:40

the contaminated bottles by the FBI crime lab, they opened up these capsules and they found that

01:00:45

not there wasn't just cyanide in them they also contain this weird thing of little flecks of these

01:00:51

green crystals throughout the cyanide and they were like what the fuck is this this is really

01:00:57

weird no okay algae destroyer uh-oh from a fish tank from a home fish tank hey okay guess who has

01:01:08

a fucking home fish tank hobby our girl stella stella the mermaid stella's a mermaid shit stella

01:01:15

has a fucking home fish tank habit. Girl. So wait, they were breaking down like every chemical compound

01:01:20

of like what touched these pills. They probably would have never fucking found her

01:01:25

if this hadn't been the case. Yeah. Because what they think happened is that maybe she had a mortar and pestle

01:01:30

or whatever the fuck, crunched that shit, her fucking, that was her algae cruncher.

01:01:35

And she never cleaned it out, crunched that fucking cyanide up in the same thing.

01:01:38

And so it's just cross-contamination. Girl. It's not even on purpose. She did it to herself.

01:01:43

She did it to her fucking, like so simple. So guess what else? Our good friend life insurance policy comes into play.

01:01:50

Sure it does. It always does. It always does. It's not just for fun. No. So Stella had taken

01:01:56

out a total of about $76,000 in life insurance coverage on her husband, which in today, that's

01:02:01

1988. And today's money is it that's easily $852,000. That's right. To the fucking penny to

01:02:08

the penny however if his death was accidental she got an additional hundred thousand dollars

01:02:15

okay aside from the fact that this is such a fucked every time we tell stories like this

01:02:22

and it's basically just people being like i'm going to cash in on the person i'm married right

01:02:26

which in and of itself is disgusting i'm done with this life i'm going to cash in on i'm going

01:02:31

cash in on a human being yeah but then she kills someone's mom also right okay so so here's the

01:02:39

thing okay so uh that's why i remember she was fighting with the doc with emphysema doctor

01:02:43

oh right it's not emphysema i know it's not emphysema it's because she needed him to say

01:02:48

it was a fucking accidental death right so she could get that extra seventy six thousand dollars

01:02:53

or eight hundred and twenty six million in today's money was not enough for her she needed an extra

01:02:59

hundred thousand um so then uh they were able to investigate what i'm sorry i just thought of what

01:03:07

if it was all so that she could buy more and more tropical fish she needed more algae destroyer she

01:03:12

she loved those fish she had these huge angel fish but they live in a trailer too yeah but

01:03:19

sometimes you just eat that's she funneled all the money into that fish tank so that they were

01:03:23

like we don't need a house yeah what we need is a great house for these fish i just think of how

01:03:28

of like how like humid and smelly it was in that trailer with that huge fish tank with that with

01:03:35

that nine by 25 tropical fish tank that was like everyone you see in a rapper's house yeah um

01:03:41

cribs yeah or what about that tv show where they make fish tanks called tanked is it i think it's

01:03:47

called tanked is it i'm getting a nod from steven yes steven do you watch tanked steven's so excited

01:03:53

no but i or i did watch you i did watch one episode specifically but i think it was like

01:03:57

kevin smith it's on when you're like in the hotel room or like a bar or like the hotel bar more like

01:04:02

and it just happens to be on you're like what the fuck they made a whole show of this and it's

01:04:06

actually kind of kind of good i have to say in any action movie if they come in and shoot up the bad

01:04:12

guys like shark tank totally and then you see the wave that comes out that's probably the most

01:04:17

excited i get that's got to be a really expensive budget yeah because you shoot that once and then

01:04:24

you have to take it again which means you have to roll in a brand new fish tank and also because of

01:04:27

the fucking pita you can't kill those fish no those are all just rubber fish with little motors

01:04:32

no i was like wow how do you know that karen did you guys do that in baskets once yep on baskets we

01:04:39

like to fake kill fake fish all the time it's like a thing um okay so tanks it's called tanks

01:04:46

oh look at these two tank toasts they're they love fish it's real fun this is all in spanish steven

01:04:53

is this a spanish show no oh it's on animal planet yeah please watch tanked everybody

01:04:59

our new favorite it's from 2012 so stella takes a polygraph test in november of 1986

01:05:05

fails it but unfortunately there's no concrete evidence proving that she ever purchased cyanide

01:05:11

and authorities aren't able to build a strong enough case to support her there's no there's no

01:05:15

prints on any of the bottles anything like that there's no video evidence of her putting the

01:05:19

bottles back on the shelves. Right. So like we fucking have nothing. And it's possible that this case would have even gone cold and no one would have been

01:05:27

arrested except for her daughter who fucking hated her. Oh, shit. Girl. Okay. So 27 year old Cynthia Hamilton, who would have been played by a fucking hard life Molly

01:05:42

Ringwald. Oh, shit. Yeah. Okay. But in a good way. But like pretty, but like change.

01:05:47

Everyone chain smokes. Yeah. it like is it northern or central Washington yes yeah um and they and she was in and out of her mother life for years when when Cindy the daughter was nine years old Stella had hit her with a curtain rod so hard it had bruised Cindy legs she was in and out of her mother life for years When Cindy the daughter was nine years old Stella had hit her with a curtain rod so hard it had bruised Cindy legs So Stella was pretty abusive

01:06:06

Oh, shit. And Stella had been charged in order to go to counseling, but Stella denied ever hitting her daughter

01:06:13

and said that her daughter made the whole thing up because she was jealous of her.

01:06:17

A nine-year-old girl was jealous of her. No, so she basically, Cindy, that's the daughter's name.

01:06:24

cindy has a total sociopath of a mother yeah okay cindy cindy's got cindy from an early age

01:06:30

just like oh shit my mom is capital a crazy right but cindy has a conscious conscience

01:06:37

that's right where are we number two cindy has a conscience yes and is like this is something this

01:06:43

isn't right i need to talk to the fucking authorities about this um and even though uh

01:06:47

it was her stepdad it wasn't even her real her real father yeah so in january of 1987 cindy

01:06:52

Cindy approaches the police with information. She said that her mother had spoken to her many times about wanting her husband dead.

01:06:58

Oh, no. Cindy's stepdad. Stella had told Cindy that after that ever since Bruce had quit drinking, he was a bore.

01:07:08

Now, listen, as someone who's quit drinking, I know that that's a fact. Things get way less dramatic when you're not shit faced every day.

01:07:16

She said he preferred to stay home and watch television, which I'm like, I drink and that sounds great to me.

01:07:21

It's the best. You can be a boar and drink. You know how fucking hard it is to go out into the world sober and just like, just get that white hot light of reality shown on you everywhere you go.

01:07:32

No, I don't try it. Oh, you got to try it. It's hilarious. But it's much easier to stay home.

01:07:38

Yeah. So they had stopped going out to bars together. So she was like, this guy's a boar.

01:07:42

I'm Peggy Bundy. Also bars when you're sober. It's like about 35 minutes, you can have fun, but you have to know when to go home because people start repeating themselves and it is a disaster area.

01:07:56

I got it. I support you 100%. Thank you. This is why I never beg you to come out to like bars and shits.

01:08:01

I'm like, why would I? You have to come here. There's like really bad nachos. There's nothing to offer you.

01:08:06

There's really hard to follow conversation about things you don't care about. That's right.

01:08:10

Yeah. So Cindy also claimed that her mother had spoken to her about what the two of them could do with the life insurance money if Bruce were dead.

01:08:18

Oh, no. But Cindy said that her mother even told her that she had tried to poison Bruce previously with the plant foxglove.

01:08:25

Oh. Which I guess is a poisonous plant. Very witchy of her, yeah. But it didn't work.

01:08:30

But still, there's no smoking gun. Cindy hadn't seen Stella put the poison into the pills, and Stella had never confessed anything to her daughter.

01:08:35

And then Cindy told authorities that after that, but then Cindy was like, you know, oh, shit.

01:08:41

just throw a pen at the microphone oh i want to also say okay but that okay hold on boop let me

01:08:47

think okay but then cindy was like you know what might work my mom started after the foxglove thing

01:08:52

my mom started to check out books on poison at the fucking library girl this is like that part

01:08:58

of seven where they just go and they look up all the books the person looked that's right and they

01:09:02

did that they got a fucking search warrant or whatever they got all the books they found the

01:09:08

books that she had checked out at the Auburn Public Library and showed that she had checked

01:09:13

out numerous books about poisons, including a book called Human Poisoning. Oh, girl.

01:09:18

Be a little more subtle. Cover it up. Native and Cultivated Plants and Deadly Harvest.

01:09:25

So they fucking fingerprint that shit. Yeah. The FBI fingerprints that shit. It only has roughly 1,500 fingerprints on it.

01:09:32

That's right. But they also subpoenaed her, I don't know, you know, card. Sure. her information yeah and saw that she had checked it out they found her fingerprints on it including

01:09:42

the page that belonged to cyanide and they have their what they can do and also so what they think

01:09:48

happened was that she poisoned her husband he died the doctor wouldn't would only say it was

01:09:55

emphysema so to get it back to the fucking poison she went out after that and put poison fucking

01:10:02

bottles on the shelf oh my god the reason sue died a week later is because those bottles hadn't been

01:10:07

on the shelf yet. So if the doctor had been like, he got poisoned and it was accidental poisoning.

01:10:12

She would have gotten her money and left it alone. Right. But she went out and basically...

01:10:16

Not saying it's the doctor's fault at all, but she went out to garner more attention

01:10:20

to get that accidental death. And killed Sue. And killed Susan Snow. Wow. Isn't that fucking awful?

01:10:27

Yeah, it really is awful. It is. So on December 9th, 1987, Stella Nichols indicted

01:10:32

by a federal grand jury on five counts of product tampering, including two which resulted in the deaths of Susan Snow and Bruce Nichols.

01:10:39

So it's federal because after the Tylenol murders, the FBI did a strict new federal anti-tampering act.

01:10:51

And it was like super strict. You can't tamper with drugs. So that's why it was federal.

01:10:54

But so she wasn't tried for their murders. It was tampering that led to the deaths of these two people.

01:11:01

Why? Because that sentence would be longer or something? Like it was a bigger deal?

01:11:04

I don't know. So you said that just like my cousin, Eileen. I don't know. I don't know.

01:11:11

I don't know. So she goes to trial in April of 1988. Cindy agrees to fucking testify against her mother as long as her mother doesn't get the

01:11:18

fucking death penalty. And they're like, great, that won't happen. Talk about, wow, what a complex relationship.

01:11:25

Yeah. Stella's found guilty on all charges. She becomes the first person charged and convicted under this federal anti-tampering act.

01:11:33

she's sentenced to two 90 year terms for the charges relating to the deaths of of susan snow

01:11:40

and bruce nickel and three 10-year terms for the other product tampering she'll be eligible for

01:11:44

parole in this this fucking year oh at 73 years old jesus so i think they're trying to also get

01:11:50

those figure out a way to charge her with murder as well yeah but she fucking is like i am

01:11:56

innocent this is some bullshit she's doing all these like appeals and shit because

01:12:00

There's a bunch of evidence that was never turned over to the defense. She also claims that her daughter lied in order to get that.

01:12:07

Remember that $300,000 that was offered to people who could help by the drug companies?

01:12:11

The daughter got $250,000 of that money. So it's almost like she said she said, like, she's doing it for money.

01:12:18

She's doing it for money. Wow. Yeah. But fucking Stella Nichol continues to maintain her innocence.

01:12:27

Yeah, but girl. I know, girl, it doesn't look good for you. It does. There's too many coincidences.

01:12:31

There's too many. And that's just Seattle cyanide poisonings. That's amazing. Because I remember the Excedrin one coming after Tylenol.

01:12:41

Yeah. I did not know it was that involved and crazy. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. How did I?

01:12:46

I didn't really know about it either. So nuts. Yeah. Hey, let's talk about positive shit.

01:12:55

Hey. Yeah, what do you got? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Look. Okay. Okay. I don't know.

01:13:01

I don't know, but okay. I love the new season of Big Mouth, of course. But my, please go watch The Curious Creations of Christine McConnell on Netflix, everyone.

01:13:15

It is, it's, everyone's saying, and it's so true, it's like Tim Burton meets Martha Stewart.

01:13:20

Oh. But it was also filmed at Jim Henson Studios. I think because there's puppets and shit involved.

01:13:27

It is so charming and good. And I know the girl, Christine McConnell, she's so talented, the self-taught, like you're

01:13:32

not going to be able to do a lot of the projects she shows you how to do, but they're really

01:13:36

fun to watch. And some of them you will, and you'll get a lot of tips. But it's also such a cute, fun show.

01:13:41

And it's so enjoyable. Christine is lovely. My friend, my friend Kate Perovich does all the hair for it too.

01:13:46

And I got to go on set. And it's just like, it's a really charming, fun show. So sorry, it's like a craft show?

01:13:53

It's like a cooking and craft show with a storyline that she is this macabre, like, woman who lives in the house with her pets, which are these, like, this raccoon that she taxidermied and came back to life.

01:14:07

But it's got, like, a fork for a hand. And her name's Rose, and I'm in love with her.

01:14:12

And, like, the Sphinx cat who was this Egyptian god, and he's just amazing. So she's real.

01:14:19

She's real. scripted like she's this reality show almost it's it's like a scripted cooking show okay so it's

01:14:27

like giada de la rentis if she and tim burton made a show but she shows you how to make these things that i followed her on instagram forever she just incredibly talented and a really really cool girl But it really cute and charming and fun And I think kids will like it

01:14:41

It's a little bit, it's for adults, but they won't get a lot of the jokes. So I think a really cool, talented kid will really appreciate it.

01:14:47

I feel like it's going to be one of those shows in 20 years that someone's like,

01:14:50

when I was 11, I saw this show and I knew I wanted to be whatever. Yeah. It's just, it's a really charming show.

01:14:56

Awesome. Yeah. I loved, I watched the whole season. And it's like six episodes in one night.

01:15:01

Very cool. And it's on Netflix. Awesome. Yeah. I'm just trying to get a sense of like, it's, it's crafts, but also it's script.

01:15:09

It's cooking and crafts. And there's, yeah, it's like you come into her house. It's like her family.

01:15:15

Like you come into her house and she shows you how to make all these things based on whatever day they're having or whatever's going on.

01:15:22

It's just a really cute show. And Christina is just lovely. Cool. Yeah. To see it.

01:15:27

Yeah. Well, mine this week would be to mention that Tales from the Tour Bus has started again.

01:15:33

And this season, so last season it was all country stars, and I talked about it extensively.

01:15:38

It's Mike Judge's series on Cinemax. This season, they're doing the story of funk.

01:15:45

And the first episode, which aired, I think, last week, was all about George Clinton and Parliament and Bootsy Collins.

01:15:52

Amazing. And it, that story about them playing, being on acid and playing, and then the lights go

01:15:58

on, it's three in the morning and no one's in the morning. Like there's just stories where you're just like, this is what it's all about.

01:16:04

It's so, it's so good. And it's so incredible. And the fact that they change genres and like, it's so interesting.

01:16:12

Anyway, so, um, I'm just super glad it's on again. Cause it's one of my favorite favorites.

01:16:16

It's great. Um, so yeah, watch Tales from the Tour Bus. Cool. And I think that's it.

01:16:22

And also just we talked about it already, but we I mean, the week we had last week was so fun and exciting and cool.

01:16:31

And there was just lots of really humongous, like peak experiences and big moments for us.

01:16:37

And we they just kept coming. So it's like it was hard to I feel like if we had shows in between, we would have like spent good time isolating and going, wow, that was amazing.

01:16:46

Thank you so much. I feel like we haven't been able to do that for almost three years

01:16:51

because everything has just been so peak and crazy and it keeps coming and it's just never ending

01:16:57

and so fun and we're so lucky. Oh, I have a quick... Yeah, it's been very exciting.

01:17:03

Hold on. For as much as we are complaining and talking about being tired Right It also in a good way Oh also shout out to Cincinnati Murderinos They raised for rain

01:17:17

Shit. During their murder ball in October. Nice. They said, yes, we had a murder ball with music and dancing and costumes and a cookie

01:17:24

bar and a photo booth. Yeah. Hope we made you proud. You fucking did. Yeah, you did.

01:17:29

I think Cincinnati Murderinos, this whole thing is just bananas. Oh, I would also like to say this, because the midterm elections just happened and everyone busted their ass.

01:17:39

Everyone voted. There's the highest they say it was the highest percentage of youth vote ever.

01:17:45

Amazing. Or something like that, like that. The difference is like hundreds of percentages up.

01:17:51

So thank you all the like, you know, 20 year olds that kind of weren't paying attention before.

01:17:56

And all of a sudden we're like, we got to take part. because real change was affected in this last election.

01:18:05

And we're stuck in this media kind of turnover where nobody ever focuses on how good things are when good things happen.

01:18:18

They just speed right to, well, this problem and that problem that's going to be coming up.

01:18:22

But hundreds of women were elected into the government. like major changes happen.

01:18:29

And I think like it's really good to go find those stories where, you know, people are

01:18:34

grassroots style taking back this country and pulling it back from out of the hands of

01:18:40

these fucking lunatics and these hate mongers and these literal Nazis. People are standing up and going, no, fuck you.

01:18:48

That's not how it's going to go. And I know personally, I was just really scared on Tuesday that it wasn't going to go that

01:18:56

way and that there were there was going to be a lot of like really negative things that happened

01:18:59

and there was so much to be excited for the next day um hopefully hopefully with the recount with

01:19:05

stacy abrams that she will i mean it's kind of amazing we're going to atlanta and that's where

01:19:10

like the biggest story in the election is happening totally totally but just thanks to everybody who

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