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MFM Minisode 97

November 19, 2018 /

This episode covers stories of cults, personal encounters with crime, and humorous anecdotes from listeners. Guests include Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark.

The episode features a listener's story about their father being a lawyer for the 12 Tribes cult, which has a history of child abuse and exploitation. The listener expresses shock and concern over their father's involvement.

Another story recounts a Thanksgiving murder meet-cute, where a listener's husband witnessed a murder outside his apartment, leading to a dramatic police chase.

Listeners share bizarre and unsettling experiences, including a story about a worker at a health center who spiked apple juice with ipecac to induce vomiting in volunteers.

The hosts announce the launch of their new podcast network, Exactly Right, which will feature more true crime and comedy shows tailored for their audience.

TLDR

Listeners share unsettling stories of cults, crime, and humorous encounters, while hosts announce their new podcast network.

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Hello there. There and welcome. And welcome to My Favorite Murder. The Minnesota.
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where we tell you stuff that you are telling us first. It's a retelling of your telling.
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A gritty reboot. Like a reenactment. Yeah, but verbal, not audio. I've been watching so much Schitt's Creek.
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I started it. Oh, you did? Yeah, we started it finally because we didn't want to let you down.
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So I'm like, Alexis, get out of the kitchen. I can't stop it. Anyway, that's not this show.
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We're a different show. This isn't Schitt's Creek. No, it's not. But, oh, imagine if it were.
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David. Okay, do you want me to go first since I always do? Do it. The first email I have here, the subject line is, my dad is a cult lawyer.
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Oh, fun. Okay. Georgia, Karen, Stephen, and Pets. So the other night I was listening to a podcast called Cults to Fall Asleep,
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and I listened to an old one about the 12 Tribes cult, started by Elbert Spriggs.
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Have you listened to Cults? No. I'm straight up listening to Cults now for my Thanksgiving.
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Thanks for the recommendation. Thanks so much, David. I'll give you a little background because it's relevant.
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Okay. I was scared that when I first read this that we had done the 12 Tribes cult,
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and I was like, shit, I have no memory of this whatsoever. Nope, don't remember that.
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I felt real scared and sad and lonely. As Briggs started the cult in the late 1960s,
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he taught his followers that all other religions are satanic. I'm into that. Kind of true.
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And that Satan must be beaten out of children before they turn four by the adult members.
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I'm not on board anymore. That's sickening. The community refuses all medical help,
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so some children have died from the beating. Jesus. To make money, Spriggs opened up food stores called the Yellow Deli all over the country,
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which sounds oddly familiar. I'm thinking of the Hello Deli from David Letterman's show.
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Forget it. It's just a rhyme. It's not the same thing. Can you tell I'm wearing my pajamas right now because I'm wearing my pajamas at George's
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house right now? It's tired today. It's tired outside today. It feels tired today.
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So, excuse us. Excuse me while I kiss this guy. Okay. Members of the cult, including children, worked for free there at the Yellow Deli for up to 12 hours a day.
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Spriggs purchased single-family homes and would house up to 40 members in one home.
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No. The cult had so many allegations of child trafficking. Over time, the cult changed the names of its delis to shake the tail of the people who were catching on.
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All of this sounded oddly familiar to me. We have a bakery in the town where my dad's law firm is called the Blue Blinds Bakery.
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The people there are odd but friendly, and they dress really old-fashioned. I just thought the children that worked quietly in the back were their children.
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Oh, no. Because it's a, quote, family-run business, end quote. Yikes. I had been going to this bakery with my dad since I was an infant, so I texted him about it.
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Turns out, not only does my dad know that the Blue Blinds Bakery is part of the 12 Tribes cult,
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but it gets worse. He's their commercial real estate lawyer. And there's five full exclamation points after that.
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I agree with those. He helps them buy and sell houses and bakeries to this day. No.
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He told me that three years ago, they invited him to Thanksgiving and asked him if he had any young children.
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No. So much for you're in a cult. Call your dad. Yeah. SSDGM Hannah. Holy shit. that's the best
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fuck very fuck that that like you know what do you do then what do you do what do you do that your dad dad fucking shit up for people don do that dad but you know all cults have to have they have to have
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commercial real estate lawyers they have to have arms dealers you know cults yeah the business
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cults do this guy's trying to make a living as my dad always says there's no shame in a paycheck
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unless you're helping a sadistic fucking cult. A child beating, a cult that's based on child beating.
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Yes. You might want to look into pulling your interests out of that. You might have some shame in that paycheck.
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There might be some shame, and there also might be repercussions later from the business.
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Yes. Exactly. Okay. Hi, Karen and Georgia and Steven and pet crew. I came to the meet and greet in Austin, but I got so nervous I wasn't able to tell you our murder meet cute.
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What's that? A meet cute's that thing that they do in a movie where it's the way they figure out how to bring the guy and the girl or whoever together.
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So it's like he's roller skating and then he roller skates by and falls down. And that's how those two guys meet in that movie.
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That's the meet cute. I didn't know that. Well, this is called murder meet cute.
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Okay. thank you for an incredible show and all you do my husband and i used to live in la soon after we
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started dating he was about to go on tour with his band and we were going to hang out one last time
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before he left i don't know has to know uh i was watching a show at the echoplex oh we know and
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plan on meeting my future husband after the show as i was enjoying beach house you know them yeah
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they're good yeah i received a text that said don't come over there was just a murder what i
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I thought to myself, yeah, right. If we didn't want to hang out, he would have just said so.
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He lived off. I also take murder personally and figure out a way to make it seem like I'm unattractive
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because people get murdered in other parts of the city. He lived off Melrose in the area close to Koreatown.
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It turned out he wasn't just trying to make an excuse. He was the only witness to a murder outside his apartment while smoking a cigarette.
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You got to quit smoking kills. You got to quit smoking. In so many ways. not knowing it was gang violence and to not get involved he gladly jumped in a police car and
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drove around trying to help the police identify the killer after he returned from his small tour
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he notified he noticed a gold car that would drive slowly by the apartment daily and soon
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decided it was better to stay with a friend you can imagine his stay on a friend's couch wasn't
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great for our impending relationship but he texted me soon after thanksgiving that year and it turned
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out the murder was not just an excuse it really happened obviously i wanted to know everything
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and ended up marrying him. Because it would take so long to tell the story. Let's just get married.
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Yeah. Seriously, thank you for all you do. I'm a therapist who works with a lot of trauma,
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and so I can't tell you how many of the folks I see are murderinos. Somehow, for those of us who experience traumatic events,
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it's helpful to go over these horrific crimes to calm our own anxiety. Of course.
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To do it with humor is that much better. SSDGM, Elise. Nice. Meet cute. Murder. Meet cute.
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also one that's right here we could picture it happening to them in our own backyard
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finally something we can be interested in that happens at the Echoplex we our friend
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my friend April Richardson made me go to a Smith's night at the Echoplex one night
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and I was like this is great sure that'll be really fun I sat against the wall the entire night she's like what are you doing
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let's party and I was just like I can't. What am I doing? I don't want to dance at a club.
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I'm almost 65. Yeah, you're going to get a discount together. Don't they have a senior discount?
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Why didn't they drop my Meals on Wheels off to me at the club while I was there?
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This is, I won't read you the subject line. It's a giveaway. Hi. So about a month ago, I got my mom drunk on a bottle of wine.
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And since that's the only way we can bond as adults, I got her to tell me a lot of family gossip.
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Oh, that just hit me real hard. I get it. Department. Yep. I can relate. My dad's family is super Irish, super Catholic.
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So, of course, everyone has some shit that they just push deep down, which is why I never heard this story before.
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Growing up, I had an aunt, let's call her Emily, who was married to my uncle, let's call him Josh, for most of my childhood.
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Then one year, my aunt Emily didn't show up at Thanksgiving, and I never saw her or heard anything about her ever again.
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Very Catholic. Apparently, a few years after they adopted the kids, the FBI showed up at my uncle's office.
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They told him that he couldn't go home and that the officers were at his house picking up the kids as they spoke.
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When he asked what was going on, they told him that he couldn't go home because, and this is in all caps,
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my aunt hired a hitman to kill him. Turns out Aunt Emily had met some guy from Egypt on Facebook and they fell in love.
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What the fuck? it's like, why can't that ever happen to me? He said he wanted to move to the U.S. to be with her,
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but they had to get rid of Uncle Josh first. So as one does, they decided to kill him
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instead of getting a divorce like a normal person. Oh my God. Four question marks.
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This guy promised to help hire someone to take care of it, and the only reason anyone found out
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was because my Aunt Emily told a friend of hers that this was going down. Jesus.
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Side note, why are there so many loose-lipped murderers around? Do they think everyone else is on board?
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The friend went right to the cops, who promptly arrested her. My uncle and the two kids show up around the holidays every year,
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but now I know why Aunt Emily disappeared. Anyway, can't wait to see you guys in Denver this spring.
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Kristen. Did she go to prison forever? Or did she move to Egypt and marry her lover And that love was meant to be Oh that was the one that was meant to be not the other one They moved Yeah exactly That how she went out They live in an apartment inside the Sphinx
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You know those beautiful apartments they built. They have these loft spaces in the Sphinx that the view is amazing.
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High ceilings. Super high ceilings. It's really cold and damp. Haunted as fuck. Yeah.
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With a fucking Egyptian cat. Cat ghosts. Okay. Thanksgiving in jail with Cinnamon Brown
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oh yeah hi guys Cinnamon Brown is the murderer that I did a couple weeks back where she killed her
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stepmom and then hit in the what's it called doghouse right oh I'm so sorry I thought you meant
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the sex worker who Hugh Grant got caught with in the early 90s is that her name? nope
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well now i don't want to read this it's gonna be so disappointing no no i'm so sorry i really don't
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want to disappoint you i just really love you grant i thought you liked that story a lot i was
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like oh karen's really no no that was a tragic story because it was the little girl whose father
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tried to kill her into into killing her stepmother yeah no it's super fucked up it
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So, okay, here we go. When I was a teenager, and then it says, I'm the exact same age as Karen with an older sister and live in Santa Rosa, California.
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We were basically twins. I am an ER nurse instead of a comedian, though, but I have lots of funny, gross, and terrible stories, too.
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Amazing. That was her side note. Just total parallel lives. Parallel. Anyway, my mom and stepdad worked at the California Youth Authority, the juvie from the Cinnamon Brown story.
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many times my sister and i would go to super weird work functions that involve the inmates
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like holiday potlucks in the yard over the years my stepdad became really close with cinnamon and
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one thanksgiving he insisted that we eat dinner at the cya and specifically with cinnamon since
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she and i were basically the same age they made us sit next to each other as if we had a lot of
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stuff in common but she asked me a bunch of questions about high school and stuff and it
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wasn't too bad but the at the end she told me to wait and she and she got somehow got a bag of her
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belongings that were stored at the CYA and proceeded to give me some clothes. It was really
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weird, but there was no way I could say no, because I knew she still had years to go in jail.
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Not long after that, I moved to San Diego to go to college. And it turns out a pair of jeans she
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gave me fit really well. And I wore them for years and actually cut them into shorts a few years
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later. It was the early nineties and a pair of boots from her turned into a pair of go-to shoes
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for me for years. So there I was walking around San Diego and this young convicted killers hand
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me down jeans and boots with my big hair and 70s crop tops getting an education definitely the
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beginnings of a murderino love to you all becky b that's so fucking sad i know it's like she's not
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gonna get out of jail so it's like please take these clothes a teenager right i went into jail
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as a teenager and these were the clothes that came with me because i was a teenager and i'm
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gonna be here forever so you should take them and wear them now and go be a teenager in my
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boots and shorts and jeans. I know. She did it. Yeah. Well, I mean, what are you going to do?
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God, that doesn't seem fair. Mm-mm. But she got out, and she's got like a family now and stuff.
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Oh, good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot about that part. She probably wants her boots back.
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She should show up at that girl's door and be like, why the fuck you cut up those jeans?
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That was not part of the agreement. I said you could borrow them. You don't cut jeans up.
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It's not the 90s. What are you doing? God, we used to wear jean shorts with black tights and boots.
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Oh, yeah. Like, constantly. That was the first thing I wore to high school, my first day of high school, with a Jane's Addiction shirt.
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Yeah. And a collar. Yeah. Like a dog collar. Yeah. That was a dick. You must have really, like, kicked the door open that day.
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With my purple docks. High school. High school. And I ditched, like, to go smoke cigarettes.
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Because I needed a cigarette so bad at 14. I got to go get a smoke. Oh, girls. I'm jonesing for nicotine.
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Stephen and animals. The night before Thanksgiving is a huge party night in our town.
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Yeah, same in my town. As the college kids come home and everybody meets up at the bars.
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We had gone out with friends. She is married to a cop. Okay, so she's privy to a lot of information.
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She's privy to information and hear stories and stuff. So she goes out with friends
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and then he and it says in parentheses he was off duty don't worry and when the bars closed we
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decided to go to an after party at a friend's house before going there we stopped at a gas station
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because you know beer and cigs and i ran inside to get our goods he got out of the car to talk
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and when i came back i noticed my purse was gone he said he saw a girl lean down next to our car
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but thought that she just dropped something as it so happened the car she was in was pulling out of
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the parking lot and he told me to follow them. So here I am, a little 23-year-old girl chasing
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some car down a residential street in a Pontiac Grand Am, trying to get my purse back at two in
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the morning. The road came to a fork and I went left and thought I lost them. He told me to turn
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around and when I did, lo and behold, here they come around the corner from the right side of the
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fork. My husband then took the steering wheel and jerked the car in front of theirs and jumped out.
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the girl was in the passenger seat and she got out with my purse and said she took it and was
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sorry at the time the driver took off at that time the driver took off uh with her door still open
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and drove around her in the yard of a house and left her there yes he fucking left my husband
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identified himself asked her what her name was handed me my purse and told me to call the police
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when i reached in to get my cell phone she snatched my hand and told me no um he then took
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her by the arm she elbowed him in the face and took off running so of course he ran after her
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he tackled her in the front yard of another home while i was frantically calling the cops
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um and then she then out of nowhere pulls a fucking shampoo bottle out of her coat
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and starts hitting him on the head where the fuck did that come from a few minutes later the driver
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comes back down the street because apparently he can't leave it alone and my husband recognizes him
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from prior arrests. No. He tells him to stay in the car and the guy knew who he was
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and that he was a cop. So the cops finally show up and take her to jail, search the car,
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and check to see if the driver has warrants. They just so happened to find a gun in the car
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and he also went to jail. We totally stayed sexy and didn't get murdered. SSDGM,
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also never trust a bitch that hits you with a shampoo bottle, Missy. That's the craziest story
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I've ever heard. It's so crazy. Should I do one more? Yes. quick one yes okay i'm not going to tell you the name of it hi i meant to send y'all this story back
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in november but forgot until this week's mini so for some reason the store or the story of the dude
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laying down in the movie theater reminded me of the story remember that one jesus on thanksgiving
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my cousin told me uh this story while we were sitting on the couch waiting for dinner she was
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pretty cavalier about the whole thing and promptly gathered and i promptly gathered the entire family
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and made her repeat the story to the larger group. The story is as follows. When my cousin was in college,
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she volunteered at a university health center on weekend nights. Essentially, she and a couple of other students
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would sit there with drunk kids and make sure they didn't choke on their own vomit or die or whatever.
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Nice. A job that in 2018 seems like it would go against many social health regulations.
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One night, a male co-worker at the health center offered them apple juice and a snack, and the girls accepted.
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A half hour later or so, my cousin and her fellow volunteers found themselves projectile vomiting in the bathroom.
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Uh-oh. Not thinking much of it, the girls chalked it up to rotten apple juice. I don't think that's a thing.
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I don't either. Rotten apple juice? You know. It's dark brown apple juice. Yeah, it's green foam on top.
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It's pre-puked. Until at one of the volunteers' meetings, they realized that a ton of the girls had gotten sick
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while working there on multiple occasions. It turns out that the worker who gave them the juice,
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ready for this in all caps yes had a vomiting fetish and had been spiking the apple juice with
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ipecac what uh-huh the what a terrible fetish to be burdened with in your life how fucking gross is that all of it yes wait let me go on and would then presumably stand outside
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of the bathroom and listen to the girls yak. The guy was fired and my cousin said that he that she was supposed to testify against
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him in court, but that she ended up being too lazy and never went. She also mentioned that she told my aunt uncle at the time who were concerningly casual about
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the incident. However, it seemed too bizarre of a story not to submit to you guys.
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Yes. SSDGM Sophia. How fucking bananas. So something happened early on. Oh, that made him get a boner.
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when he heard people puke? Well, so I knew a girl A ton of little younger, a woman who had a ton of younger siblings.
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And she remembered every single time her mom was pregnant would have violent morning sickness.
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Yeah. And so she had a real big phobia of vomiting. Like you couldn't, she had to like leave if you even mentioned it.
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So I wonder if he had the opposite where he got a boner every time his mom was pregnant.
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Yeah. Or maybe one million other things. things that are awful because let's think of all of them well but here's the thing like when you know
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um in like a terrible movie or tv show when they have someone vomit and then they feel the need to
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actually show some poor like prop guy has to throw a cup of beef stew into the toilet because they
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need to for some reason make it real yeah or like you have to like they have to wipe their face
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because there's something on it it's so gross to me and makes me want to puke immediately yeah i
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Don have to leave like you fine but it like I mute it if I can get really really quick Yeah because it just like it makes me think I feel like I gonna throw up and think it it disgusting the idea it such a strange like human reflex that so gross yeah
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that the fact that all of that is being sent in a different direction to being aroused by it is very difficult to understand very and the smell and the smell
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And the projectile-ness of it all. And the poisons. And Ipecac, it does it till your stomach is just empty.
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Oh, no. Yeah. It's for kids who ate poison. Oh, yeah, yeah. So send us your fucked up stories.
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No, we're never talking about puking again. Is that it? Oh, I think it is. Okay.
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Let's end on vomiting. Yes, please. Always. Send us your stories that aren't about puking to my favorite murderer, Gmail.
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and uh thank you for sharing thank you especially you missy you really nailed it
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stay sexy don get murdered goodbye oh i sorry how was your own cookie oh wow he did it for me that was exciting hi hello it georgia and karen and we are excited
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Episode Highlights

  • Dr. Death the Cowboy
    A charming neurosurgeon becomes a figure of betrayal and greed, leaving broken bodies in his wake.
    “This is a story of greed, betrayal, and a fight for justice.”
    @ 00m 51s
    November 19, 2018
  • Murder Meet Cute
    A listener shares a wild story of a murder that led to a romantic relationship.
    “He was the only witness to a murder outside his apartment while smoking a cigarette.”
    @ 08m 04s
    November 19, 2018
  • Aunt Emily's Dark Secret
    A family member's shocking betrayal leads to a hitman plot and a mysterious disappearance.
    “Turns out Aunt Emily had met some guy from Egypt on Facebook and they fell in love.”
    @ 11m 05s
    November 19, 2018
  • The Vomiting Fetish Revelation
    A shocking story about a health center worker who spiked apple juice with ipecac, leading to projectile vomiting.
    “It turns out that the worker who gave them the juice... had a vomiting fetish.”
    @ 23m 00s
    November 19, 2018
  • Launching a New Podcast Network
    Georgia and Karen announce their new podcast network, Exactly Right, aimed at murderinos.
    “We're becoming podcasting moguls. Join us.”
    @ 27m 04s
    November 19, 2018

Episode Quotes

  • That's sickening.
    MFM Minisode 97
  • What the fuck?
    MFM Minisode 97
  • Oh my God.
    MFM Minisode 97
  • That's so fucking sad.
    MFM Minisode 97
  • We totally stayed sexy and didn't get murdered.
    MFM Minisode 97
  • No, we're never talking about puking again.
    MFM Minisode 97

Key Moments

  • Cult Revelation05:21
  • Murder Witness08:09
  • Family Betrayal10:55
  • Cops Arrive21:13
  • Gun Found21:21
  • Vomiting Incident22:34
  • Bizarre Fetish23:00
  • Podcast Announcement26:18

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