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Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. It's a special Thanksgiving episode that we're posting for you today.
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That's right. We're about to put another live show up, the Sacramento show, with a very special Thanksgiving guest.
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But it's Paul Holes. Everyone knows it's Paul Holes. That secret broke so long ago.
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Okay. Well, it's Paul Holes. But we just wanted to say hi real quick. And happy Thanksgiving to everyone on their way to hang out with their families and fight.
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Well, if it's Thursday, they're probably there. Oh, right. Right? Many of you are probably trying to get away from your family in another room with your earbuds in.
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Realizing you didn't bring in your Xanax prescription. You forgot it somehow. Or you fucked up the sweet potatoes.
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That's right. Staring at you out of the corner of their eye. Yeah. Or you're vegan and you're just like, I don't know.
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How do I have to explain another year that you know I don't eat turkey? Yeah. But do you eat shrimp?
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No. I don't eat nothing. None of it. No, I'm different than you. And then everyone making fun of your turdike or what is it called?
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The vegan tofurkey. Oh, tofurkey. Yeah. I mean, definitely drink today if you're allowed to.
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I mean, that's something you can handle doing. Definitely eat today. Treat yourself well.
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Take things lightly. Don't take things personally. Remember, everyone is a flawed human being.
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That's right. Especially your parents. Especially members of your direct family who hurt your feelings for no reason.
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for decades. And also, please remember that if that's not actually the situation you're in
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and you're with a group of people that you like to talk to, get those stories for us.
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Yes. We want to know family secrets. We want to know murderers that your mom has dated.
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Right? We want to know near misses and strange happenings. Your sister-in-law, who you don't have much in common with,
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ask her if she knows any murderers. Ask her what the weirdest thing that's ever happened to her in college was.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she'll be able to tell you five interesting stories. Say, hey, do you have any weird uncles that are incarcerated?
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That's right. That's the first thing you should, anyone that you haven't talked to before at your Thanksgiving dinner, demand to know if they've been in jail or they know anybody in jail.
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That's right. And just kick it off from there. There you go. Do that after, I'd say, the fifth beer.
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Yeah. Just so everyone gets a little loosey-goosey. That's right. You know, or just enjoy yourself in another way.
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Sure. We're just giving you the guidelines of what we think you should do. What are you doing for Thanksgiving?
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I am going to be with my family. We now have the best Thanksgiving. That's basically like a family friendsgiving.
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Oh, nice. So we don't normally we go to my Aunt Jo's, but she lives in South San Francisco.
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So it's just a pain to travel on that day. And so we've been staying in Petaluma and partying with the Colossum family.
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That sounds so nice. It's really nice. I don't know what my sister was thinking, but she did this like, we've been kids of divorced parents for our whole lives, basically.
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And she should know that you don't. We have two Thanksgivings. That's like what you do.
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Right. Somehow she was like, I don't want to fucking deal with this. You guys have to hang out together on Thanksgiving.
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So we're going to like an old school steakhouse. Oh. And my mom will be there and my mom's wonderful boyfriend, John.
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And then my dad will be there, too. So I'm going to be drinking plenty. plenty it now can marty and janet sit at a table together they can be very civil they'll be very
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civil and get along okay my mom did say i just don't want john to become friends with your dad
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which i totally get i get that you know your ex becomes friends like with your new boyfriend or
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whatever and suddenly they start swapping stories about what a pain in the ass you are exactly yeah
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no she's right she's totally right keep them far away from each other so i'm just gonna be i'm
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going to be living through that on Thursday. Now, are you going to get steak? Are you going to get
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Thanksgiving? Turkey? I think I'm going to get turkey. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a good. I think
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Thanksgiving might be one of my favorite holidays just because that meal is so like satisfying So good And then for days you get to eat it Yeah It fun That what not fun about going out to eat because you don have leftovers
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You should order two entree and then say, I'm back in that eating disorder again.
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And then just take it home for sandwiches and stuff. I would rather lie that I'm still with my eating disorder than just say I want to take it home for later.
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That's what you suggest. My suggestion is at any time that you can tell people lies, just always be throwing people off your sense.
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Okay. They don't need to know what your true business is. Keep them guessing. And keep them MYOBing.
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And then it makes, what's that? Minding their own business, but with a U. And then keep them, make yourself always seem more interesting than you are.
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Yes. I'm so boring. That's right. Without all my eating disorders. And your secrets and your turkey secrets.
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Right. Keep some turkey secrets this holiday season for yourself. You're worth it.
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You deserve as much turkey as you want. And don't forget to buy yourself a little can of the cranberry jelly.
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Oh, yeah. Not cocktail, not the one with the weird shells of cranberries. No, no, no.
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The plain old jelly. In the can that has the can rings in it and everything. So you know exactly how much to slice off.
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100%. Now I can't wait for Thanksgiving. I'm so excited. Well, guess what? What?
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It's Thanksgiving today. so enjoy the live episode everyone and we'll be back next week with
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normal episodes like normal fucking people that are normal people don't order two entrees
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and lie about her eating disorder and don't tell you to order two entrees it's really normal
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we're so normal you guys the normalest and don't get murdered Elvis you want Thanksgiving?
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No, you want a cookie? There it is. There it is. What's up, Sacramento? Sacramento!
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let me have that let me see that thank you nice yes excellent excellent it's just my style too because it's just like a piece of paper and a
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sharpie and she's like this afternoon thank you i love it she sat down in her chair tonight and
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And she was like, does anybody have any neon yellow poster board? And who has a Sharpie?
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That's just my style. That was really a lovely welcome. It was very beautiful to hear you scream that loud at me.
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And I know that 70% of it is rage. I know that. And I like it. You've fallen into my trap.
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That's what I want. Well, half the people here tonight are Kilgaris, right? That's right.
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That's right. Either Kilgarefs or the 18th Street Hellcats. That's my other, that's my posse.
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Are you in a gang? Yeah, we were a gang in 1991. We were what they call a beer gang,
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where our weapon was alcoholism against ourselves. And we lost the gang war. We lost it all.
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We had a great time doing it. We're excited. You guys sent us so many postcards to my PO box.
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Wow. Sacramento Mortarinos. The post guy... Thank you. My post office guy hates my guts now.
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So much. Worth it. He's kind of a dick. It's Georgia's personal PO box. That's right.
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So it's where she's getting like, you know, she'll be like, oh, look what I ordered from Sephora or whatever.
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And then it's like 50,000 postcards of like, get up here now, bitches. We're like, okay. I mean, do you insist? And we did.
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Wasn't like that before, but okay. You have something you want to show me and I'm excited about it. Don't fucking tee up my thing.
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Oops. I brought a picture. Yeah. Um, just so people would understand, because I think
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there's a lot of people trying to fucking talk to me on Twitter about how I need to apologize.
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I need to do this and that. No, it's not happening. You can fucking, you can let that dream die
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tonight. Oh. Oh my God. Karen. Look at her. Look what this city did to her. Look at the pain in her eyes Look at the pain behind the blue eyeliner around her eyes Did you run out of eyeliner this whole city and that why you hate it Because you used it all up
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My neck is three shades darker than my face. This is, so this is my friend, one of my closest friends. We went to high school together and then
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she said to me at the end of senior year, she goes, I want to go to Sac State. Will you just
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come with me and live in the dorms with me? And I was like, okay, that's Patty Riley. Give it up
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for Patty Riley. Now the problem was I didn't get my paperwork done in time because back in the
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80s, you had to parent yourself. So I didn't have, I didn't have a couple of helicopter parents
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being like, oh, we did your paperwork for you. You're going to have a great time in college.
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Literally, my mother like threw it all down and was like, we're going on a cruise. See you later.
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So I didn't turn it in. So I had to live with my sister and my cousin Nancy for the first month of
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college. And they, they'd come in. Um, they were there, they'd gone to junior college first and
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then they came. So they were like 20, they were over it. They didn't give a shit. They wanted to
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live in an apartment they wanted to be an adult and they did not want me on their couch their
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pull-out couch every morning but i was like do i have to make the couch or can i just go to school
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my sister's like you better make that couch right now so then we finally got into the dorms and
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that's my roommate shelly wilson who who sure give it up shelly wilson of modesto california she's
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yeah she is reba mcintyre's number one fan oh my god i'm not fucking kidding oh but if you take a
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look up to the left you'll see that i was not reba mcintyre's number one fan no i enjoyed echo i
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enjoyed the bunny men there's never been a more 80s early 90s photo ever taken shelly's hair is
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taller than all of us and she was not that tall yeah her sweater is just like what's up i'm 80s
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love it are those who like shapes shapes shapes everywhere it's crazy fashion is shapes and
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shapes are fashion it's kooky it's fun drink some vodka but then of course just to kind of round out
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because one side was reba and one side was echo and the bunny men so to kind of bring to join those
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That sounded like throat cancer. To kind of build a bridge between those two. We just line the walls with Coors Light bottles?
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Oh my god, I was... I don't know. I don't remember. Finish another one and then just put it out.
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Clink. Clink. Go into class? Probably not. Clink. And your face. I've never seen such anger.
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Yeah. It looks like my cat Mimi's face. Just this... Why would you take a photo of me?
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Just like, what are you doing? Finish it. Do it and be done with it. I love it. Little did she know what the fucking future held.
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Like... Oh, yeah. Selfies. Everywhere. So sad. All right. So anyway, it's your fault, not mine.
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Thanks so much. Thank you. Tell them about what you're wearing. Why don't you go, and why don't you talk about your dress?
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I'm wearing a Halloween dress. Thank you. I'm excited to be wearing it because there's little skulls on it.
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You really can't wear it a lot because I'm not goth. So one time a year I get to wear it.
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We're dressing up for our Halloween show, so I couldn't wear it for that. I haven't worn it in so long I forgot it was ripped
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on the side. So please ignore that. Wait, when's it from? Oh, you're in there. You got in there.
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I wore it for some tour. It's a pocket. It's essentially a pocket. It's a high pocket.
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It is because you could throw change in there and it would stop right there. That's the new thing is just make your own pocket.
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Rip your fucking dress. Keys. Pen knife. Buy cheap shit. Pen knife. Random change.
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Hang on, let me get my... Do you want some gum? Yeah. What about yours? Those are a nice shoe, I will say.
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Those are new, right? Oh. I know, it's hard to hear. It is hard to hear. It's a real little echoey with each other.
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Yeah. No, I've had these. Oh, really? They look really fancy. I do the thing where I find one pair of shoes that fit,
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and I buy them in 800 colors. Then I, yeah, then I just don't. Oh, these are the same as gold and red?
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They're the same as gold. They're the same as the ones I got married in, my red ones.
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And they're comfortable. Mod cloth. We're doing ads now. Live show. No, they don't advertise with us anymore.
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Promo code? Murder. Murder. This, on the other hand, has low pockets. Oh, I was going to tell the Raisin story, but I think we posted that show.
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Everybody knows it. We don't have stories anymore. catch end of the tour last leg we gotta start going crazy and doing drugs so we have cool
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stories to tell about the road rock and roll we're so boring all we do is just order food
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and go back to the hotel and sit in bed and eat food and watch forensic files yeah
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pretty sweet sometimes i'll crack a tiny bottle of you know wine from the mini bar
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sometimes I crack a Pringles can I never liked Pringles until we started touring And then I was like God damn these little guys are everywhere I go
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Like little friends. Oh, hi, to welcome you to your hotel room. So sad. It's me and that guy with the mustache talking.
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Hey, Mr. Pringles. Hi, Karen. Oh, it's so sad. The Pringle guy. The Pringle guy and I are quite close.
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Should we... Oh, dear. Should we sit down? Vince just said to us, our tour manager slash our husband, Vince just said...
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To her husband. You're going to laugh when you see the chairs. And he's not wrong.
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This is... Yeah. The tiny... Well, hello. Oh, this is precious. I feel like a baby.
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I kind of like it. I feel like if we got this table up a little higher and these chairs a little lower.
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This could be real. Eat soup. Hey, you guys. I'm going to tuck this into my, that's my bed.
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And then I'm going to eat soup. It's going to be great. How about whoever's telling their story has to sit on the table?
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That's a good idea. Right? Yeah. Okay. And the other person leans way back. someone is getting stabbed in the audience.
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It's going to happen. It's going to happen. Oh, by the way, welcome. This is the podcast, My Favorite Murder.
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This is Karen Kilgara. This is Georgia Hardstark. Yeah. We usually do a gag about Stephen being under the tablecloth.
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Can't do the Stephen bit? It doesn't work? Not going to work. Stephen? Stephen, he's home.
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he's at my house i hope he's at my house i haven't gotten one cat photo yet today oh no he's
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definitely dead there's no way he's not yeah i just realized i might not have left him any keys
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and can you check on that please here's the thing if that is what happened he is scaling
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the side of that apartment building like he will not let those cats he won't let a thing happen to
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those cats. No. In fact, he brought home somehow t-shirts for them last weekend. Like, that's
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internet gold. He's like, I'm getting followers tonight. Yeah. No, he absolutely lives entirely
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on social media. I actually don't know if he's real. He might be. We actually never met him
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in person? Yeah. He just downloads himself to when we take. Hologram. What if we just like
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Paid so much money to get a Stephen hologram at all our live shows. And he was like, I'll just come with you guys for free.
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And we're like, no, no, no. No, we're getting a $25,000 hologram instead. Sorry, you're getting a pay cut because it costs a lot of money.
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Sorry, it's what we need for the spectacle, for the show of the show. It's what's best for the show.
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And they bring real Elvis to sit with him. Stephen simply can't get a break. Listen, we need tiny stools and we need tiny bottles of water.
00:21:08
And we won't have it anywhere else. You've gotten real bossy at live shows, right?
00:21:14
Divas, Las Vegas. It's happening up here. I love that they gave us a rug that's in kind of some nice autumnal tones.
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It's gorgeous. It's really nice Sacramento. Really nice. This is great Sacramento.
00:21:29
This is a true crime comedy podcast. Yes. What that means is this is a true crime comedy podcast.
00:21:37
Right? And so oftentimes at live shows, people will bring other people who don't listen and are not interested in this podcast to the podcast live show.
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It happens a lot. Many of you are very codependent. You simply won't. You won't leave other people alone.
00:21:55
Yeah. And so you drag people. We call them drag alongs. They're here against their will.
00:22:02
We got it. We've been drag along to shit. Shit. Yeah. It's how you make love work.
00:22:08
Here's the thing. I've been to so many wrestling shows, you guys. But I don't mind because there's good snacks.
00:22:15
That's how it works. And I've eaten so many Pringles. What? That's not the same or a relationship.
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Anyway. The combination sometimes of true crime and comedy is uncomfortable for people
00:22:28
because they might assume not knowing us, not listening, not being best friends with us the way you guys are.
00:22:35
Right? you guys you guys give us the benefit of the doubt you know us and you know our intentions
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hopefully. So sometimes the combination of true crime and comedy makes people uncomfortable
00:22:46
because they think oh no they think it's funny that people get married. They think it's
00:22:50
funny that people are victimized. That's not the case at all. It's a very complex combination. It's the people
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it's our interests, it's our passion but then it's also the way we talk to each other
00:23:00
and deal with life by making fun of it. That's right. Life life is crazy and dumb and insane
00:23:06
and you have to make jokes it's important so if you are in that situation and that makes you uncomfortable
00:23:13
we just, the two of us just want to say get the fuck out right now it's important
00:23:18
truly truly we hope you don't I would rather you fall asleep if you're really bored
00:23:30
but don't But if you're angry, then... We don't need it. We already have the girl yelling demands,
00:23:39
and it's the first five minutes of the show. You're not wearing a watch, but you just pointed at it.
00:23:45
See, that's comedy. I have a subdural watch. Like a subdural hematoma, but it's a watch.
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Wow! Right? Good one. As we all know, Sacramento and the greater northern Central Valley has some fucking bum-out murders.
00:26:44
Dude, you guys. Great job. People are competing to have it be bad up here. it's like
00:26:50
it's really your cults are intense everything involves knives where you're just like
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can you put the knife down for a fucking second and just control people's mind with your weird eyes
00:27:02
everything's tough Steven sends us like a list of murders to choose from and I was reading
00:27:07
and he'll send like a two line thing and I was just getting bummer and bummer it's just like
00:27:12
oh man no this on the other hand although it has a touch of violence as we like it's truly, I knew that it happened
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very distantly, but I never knew the details of the story. That's squeaky, man. She fucking was
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crazy as shit, as we say. What it is, is, like me and the Pringles can, man, she devoted
00:27:34
herself to the man that she believed was going to save the world. Very similar personalities.
00:27:43
What if you look closely tonight and the Pringles can guy has a swastika? carved into his...
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I'm just saying, what if? It's fun to imagine weird things. Most of the information I got from this
00:28:00
was from, or is from, and the pictures, a website called Cielo Drive, which is completely dedicated to
00:28:07
the Sharon Tate and the LaBianca murders. And there's tons of pictures. It's a really, really good, very thorough website
00:28:15
where every member of the Manson family has their own individual page. I appreciate it
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for them doing my homework for me. And of course, God's own Wikipedia. I mean, how do we live?
00:28:30
How did we live before without Wikipedia? No idea. Lynette Alice Squeaky Fromm was born in Santa Monica
00:28:38
on October 22, 1948 to an aeronautical engineer of a father. that aeronautical engineer of a father of yours god damn aeronautical engineer and a homemaker mom
00:28:52
she was the oldest of three uh but they grow up she's born in santa monica what's happening
00:28:57
what to do with my arms and hands go up high did you do this you could stack them on top of
00:29:03
some water bottles like i'm gonna do that perfect that's good that's good yeah what's best for deep eye contact only deep eye contact what if we both got under the table
00:29:15
in what we call the steven position okay now they grew up in a area called westchester i don't know if you're familiar
00:29:27
with that in california and by all accounts lynette is happy healthy and a talented child
00:29:33
This is very interesting. When she was 11, she auditions for and makes it into a very exclusive touring children's dance troupe called the Westchester Lariats.
00:29:44
Now, I'm really mad because one of the websites I found this on, they posted this picture and I was like, holy shit, we got a picture of Squeaky Fromm and the Westchester Lariats.
00:29:54
But then I realized that they had just pulled a random picture of six girls dancing And they were like there you go There some lariats for you They like do you get how it works Dancing Children They pick their feet up and put them back down
00:30:06
It's called dancing. That sounds intense. Yeah. But she made it. And the group traveled throughout the U.S. and Europe.
00:30:15
They had been around for like 10 years. They did shows at the White House. They did shows at the Hollywood Bowl.
00:30:20
They did shows on Lawrence Welk. Oh, okay. I was like, where's that? That's a TV show.
00:30:29
On Lauren's, I thought you were going to say on this very stage. On this, oh, could you imagine?
00:30:33
I bet they did. Guys, we're going to the Capitol. Shine up your tap shoes. We got to put on our very best for Sacramento.
00:30:46
That's how they talk in Westchester. In junior high, she's very popular. She has lots of friends.
00:30:53
including a classmate she met in drama class, a young Phil Hartman. No. No fucking joke unless Wikipedia is lying to me,
00:31:04
which is of course 80% possible. That's a weird bit of trivia. Squeaky Fromm and Phil Hartman were buddies in junior high.
00:31:12
I want to see that sketch, that SNL sketch. That's what? What? What? Exactly. It's kind of like we're doing this in a canyon up here.
00:31:23
what's that you say? Hello. In 8th grade, Lynette is given the yearbook superlative
00:31:33
personality plus. Oh my god. Personality plus. Plus drugs. Okay. So I believe. Let's see.
00:31:45
There she is. She's so cute and normal looking. Just a young, innocent gal. I had that hair, no joke.
00:31:52
it's good hair i did that 18 19 or so a nice high bob hard bob up here oh yeah like a little mod bob
00:32:01
sure did you ever just stick a bow to the top of your head with tape because that's what personality plus like to do for school pictures i only had personality
00:32:10
minus the plus is the bow the plus is the bow everyone knows that okay uh yeah let's make
00:32:19
that's not real. I actually had some history about the Westchester Lariats. I lost my place because I was just like
00:32:29
I don't want to talk about the Westchester Lariats anymore. Four years later, that was
00:32:36
junior high. Four years later she's in high school blowing it. She's totally on drugs. She's flunking out of every
00:32:41
class. No personality. No plus. She's sucking it. Been there. Done that. didn't join a cult though
00:32:50
thank fucking god you just raved raved hard it's kind of a cult it's a cult in itself
00:32:58
but you got to be in charge yeah girls in the heart girls in the heart the glow stick dance
00:33:13
grinding all your teeth down to powder Sweating, sweating, sweating. Okay. I may have told this story on the podcast before,
00:33:23
but that just reminded me of one of my oldest friends, Dave Messmer, is also here tonight.
00:33:27
Oh, is he the singing in your face guy? What's that? Is he the singing in your face guy?
00:33:31
Yes. Oh, shit. Dave Messmer. This was at an 18th Street Hellcats party that we were at.
00:33:37
My favorite Dave Eskandari was there, Dave Messmer. We were all there. Shout yourself out.
00:33:42
We were all there. Alicia, my friend Alicia Gonzalez. and just all around. I'm just going to name names.
00:33:50
Every single one. But we were all quite high on what we called marijuana. And somebody put on that fucking Delight CD
00:34:03
and it turned out that Dave knew every single word to Grooves in the Heart and every other song on the album.
00:34:11
Dave, you and I later tonight we're going to have a sing-off. You're going to party.
00:34:15
We're just going to sing in each other's faces. Here's the thing. Singing in people's faces is okay when you're high in someone's lip syncing in your face.
00:34:26
So I could hear his kind of like high lips sticking together. And it was like, poop is in the hole.
00:34:32
Drew, dry mouth and shit. And I kept going, please. I was really high. Please, Dave.
00:34:38
Please stop it. Oh, my God. I'm begging you. Angry face, please. I can't. I can't, my face can't get any paler. I hate this. And here's why I love him. And here's why he's
00:34:50
one of my best friends in the world. He would not stop. He wouldn't, he wouldn't. He wanted to have
00:34:57
his own good time. Okay. Lynette's dad is a super strict bastard. And so she barely graduates from
00:35:07
high school and he's like, you have to go to El Camino college. And she's like, okay. And then
00:35:12
of course sucks it at El Camino College. Because if you can't cut it in high school,
00:35:17
there's no way. Let me tell you from first-hand experience. Right? It doesn't get easier.
00:35:22
No, it doesn't get better. The higher you get up in those grades. When you get more independence
00:35:26
and you're around beer and drugs more, you don't get better at school. It's true.
00:35:32
High school's a good indicator of how you're going to do in college. That's right.
00:35:35
Guess how I did in college. Terribly. I'm afraid that the Sac State people are going to come and find me tonight.
00:35:41
you know what you didn't have to do much and you still didn't do it did you taking up a dorm room
00:35:49
so Lynette's dad kicks her out of the house and she becomes homeless so she does what all
00:35:54
depressed and lost people do she goes and hangs out at Venice Beach it just a garbage heap Truly Unless you a weightlifter and then I think it really great
00:36:06
It's very freeing, and all your people are there. Or if you're looking for drugs, lots of drugs.
00:36:11
It's a great, beautiful tourist place for drugs. That's great. So in Venice Beach, she meets a charismatic young rambler
00:36:22
by the name of Charles Marie Manson. he had just gotten out of the federal penitentiary.
00:36:28
Did you say Charles Marie? Yeah, I made that up. I made it up. It's my fucking show.
00:36:33
How did you do that so casually? I'm in Sacramento. That's a low chair to kick off of.
00:36:41
Yeah, it doesn't really work. Yeah, it's not. Kick it. Charles Marie Manson. So, it's Charles Marie.
00:36:51
Can someone who has a Wikipedia pass please change his middle name on the Wikipedia to Marie
00:36:58
and let's all start that rumor? How funny would that be if that becomes a fact? It'll be that thing of like, you know,
00:37:04
John Wayne's real name was Priscilla. Like back in the day there were like some names
00:37:09
you're like, is that a girl name? Now I'm worried about masculinity. Well, now. God forbid when women are men and men are women.
00:37:17
What? What's going to happen? That's not my America. Shut up. Okay. Charlie's just gotten out of the pen,
00:37:28
and he has lots to share with anyone who'll listen. And of course, Lynette is right there,
00:37:33
wide-eyed and probably on acid. So it all sounded fucking great to her. She's like, say it again, Charlie,
00:37:40
the part about how the coming race wars will end the world, and we should all be in a cave.
00:37:47
And then play a song on the guitar. That's not awful at all. So he jabbers away at her.
00:37:54
They become fast friends. The whole time she's staring at him going, personality plus.
00:38:02
The plus is the fucking insane look in his eye. That's the plus. The plus is malignant narcissism.
00:38:10
Plus. Okay. So she's a devotee kind of like right off the bat. And in 1967, she settles in with him
00:38:19
and the rest of the Manson family at the Spahn Ranch. This is like a weird picture.
00:38:24
You know, there's lots of Spahn Ranch pictures that you see where they're all like crouched in a cave.
00:38:29
Yeah. Like just blazing on LSD or whatever. Get that fucking baby out of the Manson family, please.
00:38:35
They had a couple Manson babies. Jesus. There she is right there, right? That's her over here.
00:38:41
Look at her. I'm looking at her. Back to her. Look at her. Tell me what she's wearing.
00:38:46
She's a cutie. I don't know. there's like a belt around her head or something oh wait a second this is when she was in the
00:38:52
pirates of penzance shit shit well they look like they're having a great time i gotta check those photos so that's her loving life in the manson family
00:39:05
the side of it they don't want you to know about all right I thought it was kind of fun sometimes.
00:39:13
Guys, we laughed. All right. She gets the nickname Squeaky because the grandson of the ranch owner,
00:39:20
who is also a Manson family member, says that that's the sound she would make every time he touched her.
00:39:27
Did you know about that etymology of that fun nickname? That's making me uncomfortable.
00:39:33
Yeah, yeah. How does that work? or she's like i'm not squeaking it's only when she's starting to come down off the lsd and
00:39:44
realize where she is and she starts going i was squeaky i just want to go back to junior high
00:39:50
no it's sad yeah sure so as we all know in october of 1969 charles manson uh got four of his
00:39:59
followers to there were two nights of multiple murders, horrifying murders. The first night was
00:40:07
at Sharon Tate's Cielo Drive home, and the second night was at the home of Leo and Rosemary LaBianca.
00:40:14
And they were all arrested in October, sorry, October of 1969 is when they were arrested.
00:40:21
And then the remaining Manson family members, they camp outside of the jail where the Manson
00:40:27
families being held. So here's some of the Manson ladies. And they were there to talk
00:40:34
about how Charlie's innocent. They were kind of trying to say like he was innocent. This
00:40:39
wasn't his thing because he wasn't actually at the murders as we know. But they were all
00:40:43
there to talk about how awesome Charlie was. Sweeties, go home. It didn't work. So then
00:40:51
right? Everyone's like get up off the street. There's gum down there. Whatever. So then they decide
00:41:02
they're going to shave their heads. What's that going to do? Just like freak out the man.
00:41:08
Yeah. They freaked out the man. When ladies become men and men become ladies. Hell, hell breaks loose.
00:41:17
Make sure you vote. Okay. Vogue. Vogue. Make sure you Vogue. Dietrich and DiMaggio.
00:41:34
So, listen. Here's what I kind of love about Lynette Squeaky Fromm. She didn't shave her head.
00:41:39
She's like, I have really good hair. Yeah. That's the plus, is the red hair. Yes.
00:41:44
I honestly think she was one of those kind of people who was like, you know what we should do?
00:41:48
Oh, yeah. Shave our heads. And then everyone else says, she's like, Go sit on the sidewalk.
00:41:53
This is perfect. Uh-huh. Meanwhile she like well I not going to do it but there a reason I have to watch you guys because the man coming Yeah yeah But I be But I be You guys look great with shaved heads by the way It looks amazing
00:42:05
People are losing their minds. Even with all that loving support, Charles Manson and the four other family members are found guilty of murder and given the death penalty,
00:42:14
which is eventually commuted to life in prison, as we know. We know it. This is the baseline crime.
00:42:21
It's the reason we know who Lynette Squeaky Fromm is. Right. That's how she came into the world in a very disturbing way.
00:42:29
If you weren't a fan of the Westchester Lariats, this is the way. I know her from the Westchester Lariats.
00:42:36
Right? Because you're a SoCal girl just like her. Yeah. She was great at the Lariats.
00:42:42
She danced with her heart and soul. I have to say I did pull about four different pictures of Lawrence Welk just to give an example.
00:42:51
There wasn't a picture of her on it. it was just like I love Lawrence Welk so I just started pulling pictures of like
00:42:56
two lady singers dressed like astronauts this is genius that's for you later with the Pringles
00:43:03
it's for you just to look through the slideshow and cry me and the guy isn't this hilarious
00:43:09
Steven's like sorry where do I put this it's like it's a picture of a guy playing the clarinet
00:43:15
you can take it out forget it so Lynette Squeaky Fromm has never charged for any of those crimes. But in April of 1971, she served 90 days in jail for attempting
00:43:28
to feed a hamburger laced with LSD to Barbara Hoyt, who was a witness to the Tate murder.
00:43:35
How do you think, how many bites of that did Barbara take? Zero, probably. Zero bites. She's
00:43:39
like, sorry, crazy. I'm not going to eat your fucking charbroiled weird hamburger. There's some,
00:43:45
And she's like, I'm at the pet store. I don't feel like a hamburger wimpy. Thank you.
00:43:53
Right. Not my thing. What the fuck? Yeah. So they end up, because of that, she's 90 days in jail.
00:44:02
And she also refused to testify against or say anything at all to the cops about the Manson murder.
00:44:08
So they basically kept her in jail for 90 days. then when Charles Manson is moved to Folsom State Prison
00:44:15
Squeaky, right? One of the great jails of this state We've got some escapees here
00:44:22
Squeaky and another Manson sister Sandra Good What did you call her? Gal A gal A Manson gal
00:44:34
They moved to a shitty apartment at 1725 P Street in downtown Sacramento Do you guys live there?
00:44:45
Everybody knows what P Street's like. Some serious shit. They moved to Sacramento to be closer to Charles Manson at Folsom Prison.
00:44:55
It's not a good plan. Yeah. No. No. But she doesn't stay there for long because in 1972, Squeaky moves to Stockton.
00:45:07
Right? Because she's like, Sacramento, it's too cultured. It's too refined. I can't do it anymore.
00:45:15
I can't. It's like being in fucking Paris, France. I can't do it anymore with the fashion and the demands.
00:45:22
Sure. I have to go to Stockton and just take in that water, that gorgeous water.
00:45:32
Wait a second. Sorry. This is taking too long. but I just remember this is one of my horror base horror like why I have so many shame issues
00:45:44
oh oh we're gonna work it out let's do it guys we were at a speech meet in Stockton one time it
00:45:50
was like the all-state speech meet or whatever the laureates the speech laureates yes right we all
00:45:57
had to audition for speech no um and we were staying at this hotel in Stockton it was really
00:46:02
new. It was humongous. It's where everybody that was in the speech meet was staying.
00:46:06
All these schools from all over Northern California. My friend Holly, we're leaving. It's the day we're leaving.
00:46:14
So all of these high school kids that have just competed in the speech meet are all filling up this
00:46:18
entire huge hotel lobby. It's like a Sheridan, say, or something. And in the center of the lobby are like
00:46:24
two flights of stairs. Like a weird ten coconut cream pies from Sesame Street thing where it was like
00:46:31
it was easily 50 stairs going down to the lobby yeah so we're at the top of these stairs my friend
00:46:38
holly hands me her super bizarre and lame samsonite like luggage from the 60s but she goes
00:46:45
can you take that down for me i have to go get something i'm like okay and i have my bag and her
00:46:50
bag and i start walking down the stairs like the queen of spain and i was kind of like hey everybody
00:46:56
it's me from the humorous interpretation speech and halfway down her stupid suitcase
00:47:03
busts open and i'm not kidding like 300 tampons rolled out i'm not kidding it was as if she it
00:47:11
was like she took a small tampon suitcase to the speech meet with her but no one knew it was her suitcase it looked like it was my fucking suitcase
00:47:22
oh I want to cry for you Argentina all of them it was like this but it was like a piñata of tampons do you know how hard it is to pick up tampons off of stairs
00:47:36
I would have like squatting and like ma'am do you need help with your tampons well also it's it's high school not one person came to help me not one they were all just like
00:47:48
Oh my God, you use tampons? Why do you use all those tampons? Do you use all of those?
00:47:57
It was... I hated her so... so much. Yeah, yeah. No, fuck her. In that moment, I was like, this is...
00:48:04
Let's bring her out. Holy, get out here. And everyone, if you go under your seat, there's a tampon. We're gonna
00:48:09
throw them at her at the count of three so she fucking knows what it's like. That's
00:48:16
so sad. Like, that makes me sad. I'm sorry. It's why I am the way I am. It makes sense because whenever I ask you if you have a
00:48:23
tampon, you scream at me and start crying and run away. And I've always been like, why does she do that? It's so weird.
00:48:29
I'm sorry. Please don't take that personally. I thought it was just me. No, it's Stockton.
00:48:35
It's fucking Stockton. I've had my heart broken all over this goddamn floodplain.
00:48:44
Okay. Okay. Let's fucking get into this shit. Okay. Squeaky's in Stockton. She moves in with some Manson members,
00:48:52
and she also, there's a couple Aryan Brotherhood members in there too, of course.
00:48:56
Let's throw those assholes in for fun. Right? Mix them in. So in September of 1972, they all meet up with a couple named Laura and James Willett at a cabin in Gurrenville, which is actually closer to where I grew up.
00:49:08
Right? Oh, so we got some river people here tonight. Good. Nice. So, I can't find the names.
00:49:21
James, you know what I did? I fucking took out the Aryan Brotherhood names because I was like, fuck them.
00:49:27
I'm not naming their names. but but then i started the next sentence with the guy's first name
00:49:34
so james uh was shot and killed and they made him dig his own grave and then the second guy
00:49:42
like seriously yes oh in gurnville of all places yeah okay so so here's the reason i tell you all
00:49:50
this horrible shit is so these two aryan brotherhood guys were going to snitch on the
00:49:54
Manson people about robberies that they had been doing. So they all found out, took them up to
00:49:59
Guerneville. Boom, boom. So the cops tracked them all down to this house they live in in Stockton
00:50:06
and they burst, they bust in, they arrest everybody. But Squeaky isn't there, of course,
00:50:12
because she never gets caught for anything. She was, basically Charlie put her in charge of
00:50:20
keeping all the Manson family in touch with each other while they were all in jail. So she would go
00:50:25
around and just visit all the Manson members in jail and tell them what was going on. The house
00:50:29
mother for the Manson family. Yeah. She was like a human phone tree. So she was visiting a Manson member named William Gosher, who was in jail for robbery. And so when
00:50:44
she gets out of the jail from visiting him, she goes to a pay phone and calls the Stockton house.
00:50:50
Cops answer who have just raided the house. And she's like, hey, can I get a ride?
00:50:54
I'm at the prison. They're like, yep, we'll be right there. They fucking go pick her up, take her to the station.
00:51:01
Yep. That's hilarious. They arrest her with the others. But then she says, no, I was not in Guerneville.
00:51:07
I was traveling all around California bringing the Mansons together. Beautiful. They hold her for two and a half months.
00:51:14
They have no evidence. They can't charge her. so the other four people from the Stockton house are convicted of those murders squeaky walks free
00:51:22
she's a golden girl so she is like that's enough of Stockton for me I gotta go back
00:51:27
to fucking P Street or wherever the hell it was and she moves back in um and then she and um
00:51:37
what's her name the her roommate who was also a Manson person they start wearing robes all the
00:51:42
time. Super chill. Really? This is going to be next to her. This is what we wear. And we just
00:51:51
point at everything. This would just point. What's this over here? A murder. That would work for me
00:51:59
so well. I would love it. Can't see the shoes. See, I was looking at that and it's like a robe.
00:52:07
if that ended at the knee it would look like Little Red Riding Hood it would be so cute but it goes all the way
00:52:14
to the ground and that's Satan that's Satan's work that's Satan's robe okay they decide they're going to change their names
00:52:24
to the nicknames Manson used to call them so Squeaky changes her nickname from her horrible nickname
00:52:30
to Red because Manson he called her Red because of her hair and her love of the Redwoods
00:52:37
fucking hippies. No. No. Sarah, he called Blue because of her eyes and the ocean.
00:52:48
He's not very clever. I mean, look. You can say what you want about Charles Marie Manson,
00:52:54
but he has a way with words. He is a dirty poet. He's like a little nutso poet. Okay.
00:53:04
Now just moving on for some fun. Oh! That's her robe and color. See how from shoulders up, it's like, that's
00:53:14
kind of cute. Yeah. Is she like a sexy fairy tale girl? No. No, she's crazy. Let's see what's here. Okay.
00:53:22
So, in 1975, Squeaky Red from, reaches out to Jimmy Page's the VP of his record label and says,
00:53:34
I have foreseen something for Jimmy Page and I must speak with him. That works. Right?
00:53:40
It's the 70s when you just call record labels and just be like, I need to speak to Jimmy
00:53:44
Page, please. And they were like, the vice president of the record label is a guy
00:53:48
named Danny Goldberg. And he was like, um, no. I think she actually went there. I can't figure it out.
00:53:54
But basically he said she said that she had foreseen a vision where bad energy was going to get Jimmy Page And so she needed to talk to him
00:54:07
And so Danny Goldberg from the record label was like, maybe you can talk to him tomorrow, but you should probably leave.
00:54:13
And then she was like, tomorrow it'll be too late. And so he says, why don't you leave a note?
00:54:20
And thanks so much for dropping by. and then the second she leaves he burned the note
00:54:26
that's how creepy she was that's just a little I was just giving you a little color
00:54:31
about the kind of crazy shit Squeaky was up to so now we get to the task at hand
00:54:39
when she's 26 years old she learned that President Gerald Ford he's just asked Congress, remember him?
00:54:47
nope hey boo I remember in like second grade they made us write letters to him and I didn't know what to say so I said, I wish you were my uncle.
00:55:02
Yeah, he's got an uncle face. He's very... Take a quarter out of your ear, give it to you.
00:55:08
He's avuncular. The man is avuncular. Avuncular uncle? Avuncular uncle. Yes. Avun-c-ler.
00:55:18
We did it. We're workshopping it. Um, President Gerald Ford, uh, decided in 19, uh, around this 73, 74, 75, I don't know,
00:55:29
but he wants to start relaxing some of the provisions on that old bothersome 1963 clean
00:55:37
air act. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you might remember that Squeaky loves the redwoods and nature in general, and she's
00:55:48
livid and um she's very concerned uh about uh the environment and so she's watching the news in her
00:55:57
p street apartment and she sees that the president's going to be in sacramento to speak at the
00:56:02
sacramento convention center for a bunch of wealthy california business leaders it's yes
00:56:07
what a great place all the good stuff happens all the walls and the doors and it's kind of rounded
00:56:14
at the top. Total guess. I've never been there. So he's staying at the Senator Hotel on L Street
00:56:23
and it's like a 15 minute walk from Squeaky's P Street apartment. Perfect. So she decides she's going to bring
00:56:30
attention to the trees, this is what she later said, by putting fear into the government by killing its symbol
00:56:36
President Gerald Ford. Jesus, what a fucking psycho. It's not a good plan. It's straight up
00:56:44
crazy. It's crazed. Also, trees are great. Yes. For sure. Absolutely. People are good too. Yeah.
00:56:53
I bet you anything, if trees could talk, they would be like, we're not down with killing people.
00:56:58
I think they would. I agree. Yes. I think they're like old hippies. Totally. And they're like,
00:57:04
hey man be cool man yeah absolutely we have to wrap this up okay so okay so in the morning of
00:57:16
september 5th squeaky throws on her red old red robe and she grabs a 45 caliber colt m1911 or 1911
00:57:27
I don't know. Semi-automatic revolver. She straps that motherfucker to her left leg underneath
00:57:35
the red robe like a psychotic little red riding hood and she heads on down to the Capitol grounds.
00:57:43
And I'm sure the FBI security people are like, that one. Just keep your eye on her. We don't know.
00:57:51
She could have muffins. We don't know. She could be from a musical. That's so, but playing over at the music circus?
00:57:59
We don't know. That's right. Insider info. Okay. Now, it does seem super insane,
00:58:08
but actually she wasn't the only person who thought of this. A month prior, an ex-con named Thomas Elbert
00:58:13
was arrested for calling the Secret Service and threatening to kill Gerald Ford when he visited Sacramento.
00:58:20
He called the Secret Service directly. Yeah. Hey, I'm going to kill this dude. Just drive yourself down to jail and say it as you're walking into a cell.
00:58:29
I was, I'm mad about stuff. Over here? Is this one good? Okay. So it's 10.02 a.m.
00:58:38
Okay. And it's 84 degrees. Oh, guys. In September. In September. It's the fucking kind of sacramental bullshit I'm talking about.
00:58:53
Thank you. They know. Thank you. They know. Thank you. So President Ford is walking from his hotel through Capitol Park to the entrance of the Capitol Building to meet with then and now Governor Jerry Brown.
00:59:05
Oh, shit. Yeah. Jerry Brown is absolutely a Highlander. Totally. He shall never die.
00:59:15
Okay. So as the president passes through the park, he stops and he's shaking hands with randos that are walking up and being like, because it's the 70s, people are like, hey, I don't like what you're doing.
00:59:29
And he's like, great to meet you. A lot of that. People being like, oh my God, Chevy Chase is so funny on Saturday Night Live as you.
00:59:36
It's great to meet you. It's funny when you fall down. and actually later president ford said he saw squeaky from step out into the pathway so they're
00:59:47
like 150 feet up the pathway in capitol park and he sees a woman in a red fucking robe cape
00:59:53
step into the pathway and he figures she just there to say hi like everybody else um she walks up in her weird eyes wide shut robe and go she like second row so there like a first row of people shaking
01:00:08
hands with them and she's in the next row and um she pulls out she reaches down to her leg holster
01:00:15
and pulls out her colt 45 we'll call it you can't remember colt 1911 um and actually the president
01:00:24
said he remembers seeing a hand come through the people in the first row and quote and that's the
01:00:29
first active gesture i saw but in the hand there was a gun in the hand there was a gun
01:00:36
that's why no one liked you as the president you are old mcdonald okay so what squeaky doesn't know because she doesn't know that much about guns and neither do i but
01:00:50
and pretend like I do, is that the ammunition in a Colt .45 is stored in a detachable
01:00:55
magazine, the pistol's grip. That didn't seem believable at all. But Squeaky's gun,
01:01:03
there was no round in the chamber because you'd have to put it in manually. Like a
01:01:08
I guess. I get that. I see it. Or maybe a I don't know. Who knows? Gun stuff? so a bunch of people in the front row that are like look it's the president here in sacramento
01:01:24
and then they hear the click of a fucking gun not go off right by them yeah um and because there's
01:01:31
press all around because it's the president of the united states she turns to a camera and goes
01:01:38
it didn't go off and they all start taking her picture oh my god Oh, wait. That's when they arrested her.
01:01:49
There it is. She looks like a lunatic Smurf. Doesn't she? Yeah. I didn't realize that the robes were sleeveless.
01:02:05
Yeah. For summer. I mean, truly. For September summer. She looks like Papa Smurf in her sleeping cap.
01:02:16
Oh, God. It didn't go off. She waited until all the cameras got really close. Should I kill him now?
01:02:24
Okay, I'll try to kill him now. Wow. Newsweek was right there to get the story. Okay.
01:02:30
So, of course, everybody knows what's happening. Secret Service agent Larry Buendorf grabs the gun, forces it out of her hand, brings her to the ground.
01:02:39
once they're down there she says it didn't go off can you believe it it didn't go off
01:02:44
um i wonder if i can go back because it's you can it's the red one oh really yeah yeah let's
01:02:52
just see this because this is them arresting her there she looks so bummed she's just like
01:02:57
now that i think about it this was not a good plan but i mean there's just there's secret service everywhere there's cops everywhere yeah so
01:03:06
oh yeah that's when they made her take her robe off in jail so here's kind of the best thing when this happens of course the secret service doing
01:03:21
the job that they have to do grab president ford and start pulling him away in the other
01:03:26
direction from her and trying to pull him into the capitol building to like take cover
01:03:30
and he starts yelling angrily in protest at them put me down put me down and then he walks by himself like a big boy into the state house
01:03:42
and at 10 0 6 a.m he kicks off his meeting with governor jerry brown four minutes four minutes went by for that entire thing to happen great moving on he's like yeah
01:03:56
Can't do it. Wow. He talked to Jerry Brown for half an hour, and then when they were done with business, he goes,
01:04:04
oh, someone just tried to assassinate me. After all of it. What the fuck? Yes. And he later told the press he was not scared,
01:04:12
and he said, quote, I thought I'd better get on with my day's schedule. Wow. I would have been like, oh, great, I get to have a free day off.
01:04:19
Yes. I'm like, oh, I guess I can't do anything today. Guess it's straight back to the hotel and right into the scotch.
01:04:25
That's right. Let's do it. They got massages in the 70s? Great. I'll take one. Send her up.
01:04:31
That's right. So three days before the trial begins, President Ford actually testifies on videotape from the White House.
01:04:40
It's the first time a U.S. president, I guess they didn't say sitting. I wanted to say sitting.
01:04:46
That could be incorrect. But it's the first time a U.S. president testifies at a criminal trial ever.
01:04:51
Oh, wow. Of course, our girl refuses to cooperate with her own defense team. Jesus.
01:04:58
Girl. Her own defense team. She's constantly fighting the man, no matter who that person is.
01:05:04
So she's, of course, convicted for attempting to assassinate the president, and she gets a life sentence.
01:05:10
The prosecuting attorney, Dwayne Keyes, recommends severe punishment because she was, quote, full of hate and violence.
01:05:17
And so she does what any of us would do in that situation. she throws an apple at his head and knocks his glasses off.
01:05:26
Girl, you are not doing yourself any favors. Old red squeaky from doesn't give a fuck.
01:05:34
Girl's got aim, though. But I wrote this down. Remember the old trick? That's now you have, now you know the correct way to pronounce the famous mountain chain.
01:05:45
If you're a prosecuting attorney, squeaky from will throw an apple at you. Oh. That's how you pronounce it.
01:05:52
An Appalachia. Appalachia. I didn know that Yeah Great I already forgot it It come up again As she was handcuffed and taken from the courtroom she says to the press
01:06:06
I came to get life, not just my life, but clean air, healthy water, and respect for creatures and creation.
01:06:12
Except humans. Except for a bunch of people that came before. And also, we don't need a quote from you, Squeaks.
01:06:19
We're good. In 1979, she's transferred out of a federal correctional facility in Dublin, California,
01:06:25
for attacking a fellow inmate with the claw end of a hammer. How did she get that in jail?
01:06:33
Let's not pass out hammers in jail. They tried it one year. We're going to do woodworking, you guys, but this really is, we're going to trust you.
01:06:43
It's a trust system. Lynette. Put it down, Lynette. So she gets transferred to federal prison camp, Camp Alderson, in West Virginia, home of what mountain range?
01:06:58
Appalachia. That's right, Georgia. I already forgot it. Five years later, 1980, Squeaky Fromm tells the Sacramento Bee that she purposely ejected the top round from her pistols magazine onto the floor of her shitty P3 department because she, quote, was not determined to kill the guy.
01:07:15
Yeah, right. It turns out the police actually did find a round of ammo on her bathroom floor.
01:07:22
So in December of 1987, Squeaky Fromm escapes from Camp Alderson because she hears that Charlie Manson has testicular cancer.
01:07:32
And she's like, I must go to him. What was the plan there? She's in jail and he's in fucking jail.
01:07:39
Yeah, she's going to escape one jail, break into another one. And swim out to San Quentin.
01:07:44
Like, what are you doing? She's caught two days later, and then she's sent to a federal medical center in Fort Worth, Texas.
01:07:54
And the Robe sisters, Lynette and the other one, who I've said a different name every time I've talked about her roommate, and I apologize.
01:08:05
They're the only two Manson family members who end up remaining devoted to Charles Manson always.
01:08:10
Everybody else renounced him and actually Squeaky From corresponded with him from jail to jail.
01:08:19
Well, all the whole time they were in jail. I guess that's what you do in jail. She told an Associated Press reporter, the curtain is going to come down on all of us.
01:08:30
And if we don't turn everything over to Charlie immediately, it'll be too late. It's already too late, honey.
01:08:36
Yeah. I just want to know what she means. I want to know if she knows what she means.
01:08:43
Or if there's just so much acid in her system. Oh, she also said he's got more heart and spirit than anyone I've ever met.
01:08:51
And I put my gum in this. He has everything he wants coming from me because he gave me everything.
01:09:01
And then she called him a once in a lifetime soul. Thank God. I don't need more of those fucking broken, smelly, pockmarked souls.
01:09:14
Blabbering, weird, you know, gesticulating. Squeaky Farm was released on parole on August 14, 2009 at the age of 60,
01:09:24
and she moved to Marcy, New York, where according to Radar Online, she's shacking up with a felon.
01:09:32
I found this article on Radar Online. I'm like, you're fucking gossiping about this 60-year-old woman.
01:09:39
She has to live with somebody. Get all the hot murder hippie goss right here at Radar Online.
01:09:48
So in 2010, CBS published photos of Squeaky Fromm shopping at a Walmart in that town.
01:09:55
She had her long gray hair tied in a braid. And the picture is actually of her punching the camera.
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Great job. Whoa, honey. This is my new headshot. I love this picture so much. That would be great.
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01:12:36
Okay. Let's do this, everyone. Let's do it. I'm doing the Lodi haystack murder. Ooh.
01:12:44
For all you Lodi heads out there. All you crazy Lodi kids. And you're crazy. Here we go.
01:12:55
Good job. Oh, thanks. on the night of September 12th, 1923. Shit. That's where we're at.
01:13:02
Yeah. Old timey. All the way back. A few miles outside of Lodi, a 16-year-old kid notices a haystack on fire on a farm.
01:13:11
Like a stack of hay. Yeah, a haystack, yeah. A haystack. I get you. You know. He and some other witnesses gather around
01:13:20
and realize it's not just a haystack that's on fire. It's a car that had been pushed into the haystack.
01:13:25
They all got caught on fire. and then they realized that there's a car is on fire and there's a person in the fucking car
01:13:34
and they uh they they looked like they were like bound and propped up and uh they couldn't get
01:13:41
close enough to the car the fucking their horror they watch as the car burns um so
01:13:47
so witnesses also see a car driving away rapidly from the scene in the direction of sacramento
01:13:53
After the fire is out, they find letters and shit around, and then there's these keys in this guy's pocket,
01:14:00
and they identify the man as Alexander Kells. He's a 42-year-old local butcher and cattleman
01:14:07
and one of the town's leading citizens. And they're like, oh, shit, what's going on?
01:14:13
Kells was the owner of the Pacific Meat Market and the Toke Meat Market. He was a German born in Cologne in October of 1884, blah, blah, blah.
01:14:25
Basically, they immigrate to Lodi at some point. Doesn't matter. It's a classic American story.
01:14:33
Yeah. He eventually finishes grammar school and goes right into the trade of being a butcher immediately.
01:14:40
He started training when he was eight. Yeah, eventually. He gets a job. It doesn't matter.
01:14:47
he's a butcher it's fine tell me about his life what were his passions he's in lodi he's a butcher
01:14:54
okay everyone knows him they love him he's a pillar of the community he's seen as an
01:15:00
he's a husband and father he seems like this ideal husband and father um he's got all that
01:15:06
meat yeah yeah feeds his family yeah iron very iron strong blood the thing they don't tell you
01:15:12
about being a butcher's family and i know this because my grandfather was a butcher so my mom
01:15:17
mom would say that we got all the weird fucking cuts of meat that no one wanted to eat oh no so
01:15:22
the truth is like you're eating fucking net turkey necks for days you're still like who wants roasted
01:15:29
ear yeah so when i was a kid i ate tongue sandwiches and i ate the heart and liver and
01:15:35
shit like we just you get a taste also jewish people we love that weird shit yeah what's up
01:15:41
Sacramento Jews. Sacramento Jews. Yes. No, some of you are faking it. There's not that many. You can't accuse people of being fake Jews.
01:15:54
Not in this political climate. So he feeds his family organ meat. Everyone's happy. They love him.
01:16:05
So everyone is devastated. The whole town is like, fuck, when he dies in this horrible way.
01:16:11
And they're like, we need to find the killer. This is insane. Over 3,000 townspeople were at his funeral.
01:16:18
And yeah, I'm sure they have a lovely spread. It's fine. Oh, the sausages. It was the largest funeral the county had ever seen.
01:16:30
Really? And everyone was grieving and sympathetic with his family. It was like a town martyr.
01:16:35
They were so angry that this had happened to him. and it was believed that he had been killed by robbers
01:16:40
because he was known to carry large amounts of money on the days he'd go collect his money.
01:16:44
I don't know. What do they call it? You owe me this and you owe me this. Money collecting.
01:16:49
Thank you. Can I just say my early theory? Yes. A bunch of the cows got together and we're like,
01:16:55
we've had it. You're not doing this to us anymore. Sorry, sorry, sorry. How did you know?
01:17:00
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. So in the meantime, though, so the police are like,
01:17:06
We're going to get this guy who did it. And in the meantime, though, his life insurance, he's insured for $80,000.
01:17:14
In today's money... Six billion? No. 1.1 million. Mill or bill? Mill. Okay. So his wife's the beneficiary, and the insurance company is like,
01:17:27
that's a lot of money. We're going to do our own investigation as well. Especially since he had a clause in his policy that increased the amount to $100,000,
01:17:35
which is almost 1.5 million today if he died violently. Which is like, do you wanna bet on that, dude?
01:17:41
I wouldn't. That's not a good clause. I feel like they probably took that out since then, right?
01:17:46
Yeah, I would hope so. And it's like a really bad card game that you win if it's like, everything's awful.
01:17:55
So they at the autopsy one of the ways that they were like we can there something fishy here literally is because they knew for a fact that Alexander Kells had eaten sardines for lunch
01:18:07
Gross. And there was no sardines in the stomach of the burnt corpse. Oh. So, they're like, this is weird, but she, I don't know, like, that seems fishy.
01:18:19
I did not mean to do that. She loves it. She loves a pun. It works. they also discover that the dental work
01:18:26
of this guy doesn't match up with the charred remains that were in the car and they're like
01:18:32
something ain't right here so soon this sheriff from Stockton releases a description of the butcher
01:18:40
and a couple weeks after his supposed death in Reno some dude's like Reno! Reno!
01:18:49
Some guy from Lodi recognizes his longtime friend, Alexander Kells, in fucking Reno.
01:18:58
And I'm sure Alexander was like, no, it's not me. He's like, I've known you since you were six.
01:19:02
No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. He's trying not to move his mouth. No, get away from me.
01:19:08
So they're like, oh, shit. This dude faked his death, obviously. So on October 2nd, police arrest a guy
01:19:14
matching the description of him in Eureka. And it's his 39th birthday. the day they arrest him, and they find him in a boxcar at the railroad yards with a rifle in his
01:19:29
mouth trying to pull the trigger with his toes. Oh, no. And it gun jams, and they stop him, and
01:19:34
they're like, we know who you are. And he's like, um, I had amnesia. They're like, no. And he's like,
01:19:39
um, someone made me do it. And they're like, no. And he's like, okay, just don't tell my wife,
01:19:45
but I faked my own death because I was in a lot of debt, and I wanted her to get the money,
01:19:48
but I was just gonna leave. Oh, really? So she didn't even know about it, yeah. basically because i had her completely pinned for this murder her yeah i wanted her to go down
01:19:57
hard for it i wanted her to experience a violent death yeah yeah um he figured she would get over
01:20:07
the shock of his fake death and move on comfortably with this huge insurance payout
01:20:12
he was going to go to mexico afterwards the man he killed he said was a fucking complete
01:20:17
stranger to him. He hired him from an employee agency in Lodi under the pretense of fixing a
01:20:23
broken windmill. Windmill? Yeah. And when he got there out of the car, fucking Kells just straight
01:20:31
up shoots him in the back with a .32 revolver. No one else can fix windmills. He kills the one
01:20:39
fucking guy in the west coast. So the man doesn't fucking even fall down when he gets
01:20:47
shot. So he gets, so Kels grabs a heavy iron bar and hits him over the head a couple times and kills him.
01:20:53
I'm sorry, he gets shot and then just stands there? He groans a little but doesn't fall down.
01:20:58
Oh no. I know, this poor dude. It's like, yeah, he's like the original Craigslist killer, but
01:21:05
Right. You know what I mean? He did it first. That's right. And without Craigslist, so try that.
01:21:13
You know? He puts the man in the car, put a blanket over him, drives around for several hours, eventually buys some gasoline,
01:21:21
goes to the hayfield and lights everything on fire and puts his keys and shit in his pocket, like, you know, fakes his death.
01:21:29
But he maintained that he never, ever tried to get it. He wasn't going to get the insurance money for himself.
01:21:33
He wanted his wife to get it. It was for her, which is like, okay, but don't kill people, dude.
01:21:37
and so everyone gets fucking pissed when they hear about the fact that he did this
01:21:45
they he's a cold-blooded killer they were like mourning and 3,000 people were like at his funeral
01:21:51
eating cold cuts, crying and now they're like oh shit this ham is so delicious now they're like
01:21:59
I'll never eat ham again yeah 400 people went vegetarian that year in Lodi Lodi is the origination of all veganism.
01:22:10
That's right. You wouldn't expect it, but it's true. Fun fact. Okay. So, fucking meanwhile, Mrs. Kells, whose name I couldn't find, this poor fucking woman,
01:22:21
is about to give birth to a baby, finds out that her husband isn't dead. He's a murderer.
01:22:26
This chick loses her shit in the way only 1920s women can. I'm sure there was a lot of fainting carrying on.
01:22:33
Did she just, like, stagger in the streets? Yeah. Like, weird eyeliner? yeah she's just like losing her shit saying my baby my baby even though the baby's right in front
01:22:41
of her right stuff yeah so she gives birth um she's in so much grief that her eight-year-old
01:22:48
daughter is sobbing at her bedside being like mommy i need you and she's like i'm i can't she
01:22:54
like straight can't do all this poor fucking woman um so she felt falls unconscious all the time all
01:23:00
this shit. Truly. Just around the house? Yeah. Yeah. And then, so two days after his arrest,
01:23:09
he's indicted by a grand jury. He, the man who he murdered wasn't immediately identified. There's
01:23:16
no records at the time, of course. And migratory workers pass through Lodi all the time. So
01:23:22
Eventually, they discovered his name was Ed Meservais. Mrs. Kells survives the birth of her child.
01:23:33
She fights through his trial to save his life, but he gets sent to die eventually by hanging.
01:23:43
The day before his hanging, his wife spends an hour and a half in hysteric conversation with him,
01:23:48
weeping and begging her husband not to leave her. He's like, it's not my choice.
01:23:52
He can't do anything about it. Yeah I should go back and not have killed that dude That be great And he tries to leave a couple times and I sure he like get me out of here He like it hard enough
01:24:05
Yeah. So she screams when she has to be, like, carried out of the fucking fulsome prison.
01:24:11
And she is put on bed rest at home. A nurse tends to her at all times since her screams disturbed the entire neighborhood.
01:24:18
Oh, no. Although I like the idea of bed rest and a nurse all the time. Just not the constant screaming.
01:24:26
I wouldn't need to scream. Her children are placed in the care of friends because she can't stop screaming.
01:24:33
I know, it's real sad. So the guards who were watching over Kells before he was hanged said that he was unemotional.
01:24:42
He lit a cigarette as soon as his wife left and picked up his Bible, then told the guards,
01:24:47
I'm ready. He wouldn't eat his last meal. He was just like, let's get this over with.
01:24:52
Jesus. I know. Well, he's a butcher. He knows how it goes. That's him. Oh, hold on.
01:25:03
That's him. What's up? It looks like De Niro, doesn't it? That's his wife. Oh, Jesus.
01:25:10
That's the screamer? Yeah. That baby's like, you should hear her scream. It's insane.
01:25:18
I'm so tired. I'm exhausted. I can't put her down. I try to give her a warm bottle.
01:25:22
she won't take a pacifier oh my god uh so 40 men gathered to watch him hang he smiled at everyone
01:25:32
as they threw the noose around his neck oh and at 10 16 a.m on january 24th nope january 4th
01:25:39
1924 alexander was hanged and died and that is the lodi haystack murder whoa what no it the twists and turns like turns so he purely just was trying to get out of debt
01:26:00
yeah or get his wife out of his debt so he killed some stranger what a dick maybe she was um she
01:26:08
found like his checkbook and then she started screaming then and he's like i have to end this
01:26:13
somehow oh yeah call the windmill guy probably just already screamed before that um hey
01:26:22
shall we just stay here what oh you're gonna do your dance so hey um guys so guys you know
01:26:32
uh i do i do want to tell you sacramento uh thank you Vince Vince Averill everybody
01:26:50
Vince Averill tour manager husband okay I thought you were screaming because I couldn't think of what to say
01:27:03
you know I've talked very openly and honestly about my real feelings to you. It's upset you at times.
01:27:14
Yeah, there's definitely lots of people who don't like it and have been unhappy about it. And so because
01:27:19
of that, we thought we would bring you a little surprise. It's our way of saying thank you
01:27:27
for letting us have our fun at your expense. Thank you for your postcard writing
01:27:35
campaign. thank you for being on the local news thank you for driving in from Reno and from fucking
01:27:44
Turlock and wherever else every other city that we've named tonight thank you for being
01:27:51
supportive we love you too and here's our way of proving it ladies and gentlemen
01:27:59
Paul Holt I'm so excited. Thank you. You don't want to leave it up? Okay. Hi. I'm nervous.
01:29:18
I know. I'm not used to that. I know. So, yeah, we wanted to... We flew him in. We had to hide him all day.
01:29:31
We had a big mustache on. We were scared he'd get recognized at the airport. Oh, God. I'm nervous. Are you?
01:29:40
He's really nerve-wracking. Absolutely. So we were, yeah, welcome. Thank you very much.
01:29:51
Now, listen. You their Bono you know you a true rock star to these people who love true crime so much
01:30:05
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01:30:23
That's probably true. Now, we thought it would be kind of fun if we asked you what your hometown murder is.
01:30:43
So what got me involved in true crime? Yeah. We just want to hear you talk about stuff and, like, whatever you feel like talking about would be cool.
01:30:53
Or whatever. So I'm probably going to date myself a little bit, but what actually got me involved in true crime
01:31:03
is an old TV show called Quincy. Right. You know, so I grew up and I went to college
01:31:13
thinking I was going to become a forensic pathologist. So I thought I was going to go to med school
01:31:17
and use medicine and science to solve crimes. Come on. That's harassment. Don't objectify him.
01:31:33
We like your mind, Paul. We like your mind. I'm okay with it. No, but my grades in college weren't very good.
01:31:46
Neither were ours. Well, there we go. Yeah, yeah. Right? You know, and then eventually, you know, I did graduate at least, and I found out...
01:31:57
I found out about this field called criminalistics, which back in 1990 was a brand new field.
01:32:11
And I thought, that sounds cool, because I could do crime scene investigation, I could do the scientific work,
01:32:18
and I could try to solve crimes that way. You don't have to be in a morgue all day.
01:32:24
No. And thank God I didn't go that direction because I've been in the morgue a lot
01:32:30
and that is not very fun. I would be going nuts if I was in the morgue every single day.
01:32:35
It smells, right? It smells, yes. Yeah. Do you remember your first crime scene? Do you remember your first crime scene?
01:32:44
You know, I do remember my first crime scene And sort of the back story is, is when I first started, I was a drug analyst.
01:32:53
And we were getting what we call bunk dope, fake dope that people were selling on the streets to make money.
01:32:58
And this is how you get yourself killed. And what I was seeing is, was this combination of this wax with a detergent.
01:33:08
Well, the detergent caused a false presumptive test for cocaine. So when somebody on the street was testing it, saying, oh, it looks good, and then they would pay money and then they'd walk away with this fake dope.
01:33:22
Well, then I go out to my first homicide scene, and it's in this very, it's an unincorporated area in Contra Costa County called North Richmond.
01:33:32
Really? Come on. Drug dealers. and in the mid 90s this is an extraordinarily violent region in Contra Costa County and I'm
01:33:48
going out to this homicide scene and the the victim had been transported so he his body was gone
01:33:56
but where he had been killed was right outside this mobile home in the backyard in in North
01:34:03
Richmond, and half of his brain was actually laying on the path. Ew. But then I went inside the mobile home, and up on the stovetop was a pot full of wax and
01:34:19
detergent. He was the one that was cooking the bunk dope, and the street has a way to set itself straight.
01:34:31
And they went and they killed him. shit and so the next day i was at the morgue and i'm looking at the guy that i had seen
01:34:39
you know through his product with the bunk dope and there he is laying on the gurney and that's
01:34:47
the day you stopped doing dope i swore off dope at that point thank god finally that's right
01:34:56
that's right what i feel like we really want to talk about the golden state killer quite a bit
01:35:04
but i know that you've talked about it a lot so we don't want to like do all the usual but like
01:35:15
do you have a do you have a specific like memory or a do you have a story maybe you you haven't
01:35:22
been able to tell on any of these channels that you could tell us. We won't tell anyone.
01:35:25
We will not. Phones down. Cameras down. Secret time. Or just something, like just a weird,
01:35:34
interesting... Do you think about, like, does it still hit you that you guys caught him?
01:35:39
All of you guys caught him? Do you ever call each other on a phone tree? You guys, this is bananas.
01:35:46
I did it. You know, there is still that aspect going on where it's like, we finally solved this case.
01:35:54
You know, because it's been, it was so, you know, I spent 24 years, you know, on that
01:36:00
And then the team, you know, we had a task force, and these are great investigators across the state,
01:36:18
and then we had a team that helped with the genealogy aspect. and going into that, you know, we had optimism, but we had no idea, you know, that it was actually going to work.
01:36:30
And it really wasn't until I got that initial phone call where it was like, Paul, you can't tell anybody about this.
01:36:40
You know, that the DNA was matching up, that it was like, you know, after 24 years, it was a huge, oh my God, you know.
01:36:50
finally figuring out that we got to that point. You know, in terms of the untold stories of the Golden State Killer, there are so many.
01:37:03
Each of us investigators have invested so much time of our lives in that case that we all have different stories.
01:37:12
I know for me, it was just the frustration of constantly finding somebody that I thought was the guy.
01:37:21
And in some instances, I would spend, like the first guy, that I was like, this is the guy.
01:37:27
I spent two years trying to find him. Two years of my life going, I've got him, only to finally find him and then eliminate him with DNA.
01:37:37
And it's like, I just wasted two years of my life. and then I get on to a next guy.
01:37:42
And I spend a year investigating this guy, trying to get his DNA, and then he's not the guy.
01:37:48
Did you ever, like, give up for a little while? Oh, yeah. You know, it's one of those things.
01:37:53
You know, you get to where, oh, my God, I just spent all this time, and it's not the guy.
01:37:59
I don't know what the hell I'm doing. Yeah. You know, and you push away. You know, and that's where you uncork that bottle of wine.
01:38:06
Uh-huh. and I would just drown myself in my sorrows thinking, you know, I don't know what I'm doing on this.
01:38:18
I'm fooling myself. You know, I need just to move on to other cases that I've got.
01:38:25
Thank you. Don't talk while Paul Holes is talking. Good. He's talking. He's right there.
01:38:39
24 years of that. Come on. I think a good question is, who's going to play you in the movie version of the light?
01:38:52
You know, since, it's just been a crazy experience. Just the timing. I retired. Technically, I retired at the end of March,
01:39:04
but because I ended up being on this Megan Kelly show on the Golden State Killer with Jane Carson and Debbie Domingo.
01:39:14
We're not talking about her tonight. Let's just pretend it's a different show. I know, it's kind of a touchy topic right now.
01:39:22
Not the best at all. Say it was Oprah Let say it was Oprah It was Oprah show It a better story We going there right So I ended up taking some vacation so I could get out to New York
01:39:35
so I could support the two victims in the Golden State Killer case. But I had been at this guy's house, this Joseph DeAngelo's house, the day before.
01:39:46
And so now I'm on TV, a nationwide audience, talking about this unsolved case, going, maybe, you know, I know who this guy is.
01:39:58
So, but since that time, you know, with the three weeks after retirement, and then we
01:40:03
ultimately proved that he was the Golden State Killer with DNA, direct DNA samples that were
01:40:10
collected from him. It's just been a surreal experience. And my life has just been just like this, just craziness.
01:40:17
We get it. Pretty crazy. That's amazing. Very strange. Do you have anything that you want to plug or things that are coming up that you want to tell these guys first?
01:40:33
Well, you know, as I tell people, I'm just a retired county employee. You know, but I do have some things that are coming up.
01:40:45
You know, I signed a contract with Oxygen. I got several projects going on with Oxygen.
01:40:52
And we get 15% of that? We can talk about that, absolutely. Let's talk about it backstage.
01:41:02
As well as Audible has decided to do a podcast, which is going to primarily focus on sort of my story that has never been told.
01:41:14
You know, sort of my frustrations, my adventure as I was trying to move through this case.
01:41:27
And so that is going to come out November 15th. Cool. Very cool. Can we suggest that Paul Giamatti plays you?
01:41:40
Just putting it out there. He can do it all. Just a thought. I'm open to anything right now, really.
01:41:48
And then just like, what kind of dance do you like? What's your favorite sandwich?
01:41:58
Tell them about you as a person. So music that I listen to? Come on. What's your like, you're trying to get pumped to solve a really old crime
01:42:08
or go jogging or whatever. What's that band that you put on? Oh, my. so if I'm working out, if I'm running, if I'm lifting,
01:42:24
it's got to be the hard rock. You know, today, you know, it's disturbed, it's Godsmack.
01:42:32
What? Slipknot? Do you like Slipknot? You know, no. Okay, all right. However, I've listened to this Corey Taylor, who actually has amazing talent.
01:42:51
You know and for me music has to be melodic I not into that bum It got to be melodic but what about masks clown makeup they have great masks yeah but i have a concern about people who hide behind masks
01:43:09
good one cool well thanks for coming out to zacramento for us We emailed Paul Holtz and we were like, can you help us please make Sacramento like us, please?
01:43:26
We're even now, right? We're good? Great. But also, you know, you were talking about like your life changing so much.
01:43:35
And like when we started this podcast, like Golden State Killer was the first, one of the first stories we covered.
01:43:42
It's been in our minds, obviously, in your guys' minds, being from up here for so long.
01:43:48
It's like this crazy cloud and this kind of like creepy thing that's just been hiding in the background.
01:43:55
So it's the idea that not only that it got solved, but then that the person that solved it, we get to like talk to and email with is so awesome.
01:44:08
It's just so cool. It really is. Well, you know, I think it's cool because, you know, during the last year, the case was getting a lot of media attention.
01:44:21
And one of the shows was aired that I was on. And the producer of that show called me saying, hey, there's this podcast.
01:44:30
It's called My Favorite Murders, and they're talking about you. You might want to listen to it.
01:44:39
No, don't do that. Oh, God. But aren't these two amazing women right here? Thank you.
01:44:53
Paul Holtz, everybody. From us to you. From us to you. Thank you. how do I look how do I make that
01:45:11
huh do I have anything on my face you're good do I look weird no you're good holy shit
01:45:18
Sacramento it has been so hard to keep that a secret from you guys but thank you guys
01:45:26
for giving us the benefit of the doubt that we didn't even have a present for you
01:45:30
and you're still here and nice to us. So thank you for supporting, like supporting the shit out of us.
01:45:41
Yeah. We are thrilled that you guys demanded that we come in spite of everything.
01:45:50
And we are thrilled to be here with you. And we are so grateful for this situation
01:45:57
that basically you guys have put us in. we are having truly the time of our lives doing this thing where we get to talk about this thing
01:46:05
we've all been fascinated by for years in secret, thinking that nobody else will understand and
01:46:11
nobody else will like us if we talk about it. And now suddenly we all get to fucking fly our flag
01:46:16
as much as we want to And it the best feeling And it a great feeling to see you guys all find each other and become friends and start these meetups It just it fucking crazy It crazy that we get to have Paul Holes and the people who do this kind of thing talk to us
01:46:35
Yeah. Instead of going, you guys are weird. It's amazing. We're so lucky. I can't believe this is our life.
01:46:42
Yes. Thank you. Thank you for giving that to us. We're genuinely so grateful. We'll do our best not to embarrass you.
01:46:51
I'm just so glad it got so much better since I moved out of Sacramento. Thank you, Sacramento.
01:47:00
We love you dearly. Honestly, stay sexy. And don't get hurt. Bye, you guys. Thank you.
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