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Hello. I was going to say and welcome. Oh, well, you got to clue me in on that. You're right.
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I should have written a cue card. Let's do it again. And welcome. Oh, that was great.
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That's fun. This is my favorite murder. We're a true crime comedy podcast coming to you live.
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That's right. From Los Angeles, California. What? That's Karen Kilgara. And that's Georgia Hardstark.
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And we've got Stephen Ray Morris on the ones and twos. That's right. He's holding it down for us.
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That's right. We're in the pod loft again. And I got some feedback that if we, you know, we got to record Elvis doing his cookie meow
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if we're going to be recording in the office. I totally forgot about that. Oh, was there no, there was none.
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Because of the meaning. We didn't tack anything on. Yeah. I just didn't think about it.
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Steven, you're fired. That's a real twist-a-roo sentence. I didn't see the ending.
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It started with an I and it ended with a U. It did. It did. But we are in the pod loft right now.
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And it's a fucking lovely rainy night in L.A. Oh, my God. It actually is beautiful.
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It started raining this afternoon. And usually in L.A., it starts, stops. It rains just long enough for your car to look dirtier than it did in the morning.
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But not now. We're in straight up Portland, Oregon style rain. I love it so much.
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I love it except for, and sorry, this is the hackiest thing to go into, but people can't drive in the rain here.
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they're just like they they drive that i think i realized that they drive the way they drive
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in the not rain and that's the problem yes no one can adjust slow down you fucking idiots
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things have your atmosphere has changed look and listen and listen to the fucking rain
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you stupid you fucking god it's very this is the kind of town though where it's this it's a town
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filled with people who will not adjust to reality right it's part of living here is living here and
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being like i'm the greatest actor ever and it's like okay you better dig all the way into that
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because you're going to need to hold on to it for 28 years i was the prettiest girl at my high school
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and i still am single tear single tear yeah so there's a lot of like driving through the rain
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i'm not in the rain i'm not in the rain i'm the prettiest girl from my high school
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I'm like, all right. All right. Get out of here, Kelly. Kelly, goddammit. How dare you, Kelly.
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Kelly, you're still pretty, but it's raining. Kelly with an I, quit it. Kelly, you know what?
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You can put the I, but we know your mother named you with a Y. That's right. So do what you want.
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We're not buying it. But when we don't have to buy it. Yeah. Or any of your acting.
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That's right. Guess what? What? Just act like you talk normally. Try to convince people that you're not acting.
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That's the acting class that I'm going to charge $1,000 a week for. Just to talk normal.
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And then be like, there, you're acting. There. I say you're acting. What is it about getting in front of a camera that makes you, including me, I'm not an actor, insane?
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Well, it brings out all your insecurity where it's like the second you're there, you're like, oh, I shouldn't be here.
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I mean, I'm the worst. I am anybody that gives me a part. I'm the worst. I immediately forget all my lines.
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And all I all my brain will say is I shouldn't be here. I'm a fraud. They're going to figure me out.
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I'm this. I'm not good enough. And can you see this strange hatchet like mine in my forehead?
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And is that what you're really focusing on? Mine is don't do that with your mouth.
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Don't do that thing with your mouth. You do this weird thing with your mouth. Stop doing that thing with your mouth.
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What do you do with your mouth? I just I have this. I don't know. My mouth is just complicated.
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Because you know what I do when I'm nervous? I hold my lips together. Like I'm just trying to keep my mouth shut, which is so symbolic.
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That really what if I truly nervous it I holding my lips together Where that girl lips go on camera Don say it She trying not to have an outburst Okay So it like mm It looks like I like mm But really I just like don say anything
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Please don't say anything. Don't say something stupid. I've been begging my mouth not to say something stupid all my life.
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It won't listen. I've been trying to look normal and not like a weird person my whole life.
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So I used to have to go to speech therapy because I would sit there when I was a kid.
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I have my lips parted all the time. And so I'd have to be reminded to close my lips.
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And sometimes my tongue would just kind of hang. Like that Instagram dog? Like I sent you a photo of me with a cello.
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And it was like that face. So I've been reminding myself not to fucking do that, Georgia.
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That's just a lack of self-consciousness, though. That's what kids are like, where you're just kind of like hanging out.
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And you don't aren't aware of yourself. And then suddenly a teacher's like, you got to not do that anymore.
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go to speech therapy it's really embarrassing we're going to stop you in class once a week
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and make you go see fucking speech therapists but so that was just kind of like keep your tongue
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where you're supposed to keep it yeah but i also have a lisp so i think try to change that that
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didn't go away that's fine this is not either near there here either near nor there i'm trying
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to think of what i yeah mine was always just just be please just be quiet please be quiet
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Your speech letter goes, shut the fuck up. Seriously, no one needs to hear it. And I'd be like, look, I don't want to be saying it either.
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You're not the teacher. I understand. I don't want to be talking. It's my mouth that's doing it.
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It's not me. And what I realized much, much later, like when I was in my late 30s, is that was anxiety.
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That was social anxiety. And the way I dealt with it, I never knew that that's what it was.
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I thought, I have the worst personality. I better start drinking. That'll make me quiet.
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Yeah. And it worked. It worked for so many years. Only because you don't remember what you said.
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And it'd be like, and it made more sense. Yeah, Alpers! Or whatever. That was great when she did it.
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Hey, speaking of merch. There she is, Merchandise Jones. That's right. If you go to MyFavoriteMurder.com, there's our store.
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We have holiday items. You have to order by December 14th. What's today's date? It'll be the 6th March today.
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You can get your Christmas and Hanukkah and holiday shit. Now, some of that stuff sold out.
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They have it back in stock. And I just want to say to all of the Jews, you guys, I'm so proud of us.
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L'chaim. L'chaim to us. I'm so proud of us. We sold the fucking Hanukkah shirt out.
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Yeah. The L'chaim bitches. Of course. I didn't know. I just was like, we need to throw it up there.
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And then. It was the best idea. You're very merch savvy. But then also it was the kind of thing of like, yeah, you don't, you, you should get some fun.
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It's like ugly Christmas sweaters. And then it's like, and how about just a sassy Passover sweater?
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Well, it reminds me, it reminds me of, you know, as, as a Georgia, uh, you'd go as a kid, you'd go to the souvenir store and there wouldn't be a license, a tiny license plate with my name on it.
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And then what, you know, I never had that stuff. It's the same thing with being Jewish is you go, there's never Hanukkah stuff.
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it's always Christmas stuff and except for the one time that Urban Outfitters did that remember
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they did like I love being a Jew but they put like money symbols around no they didn't they
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have like kiss me I'm Irish and there was like a Jewish one too and they had to pull it because it
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was like stars of David's and like and like dreidels and shit but there were also money
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symbols I swear to god I will have Stephen fucking posted on the Instagram Jesus Christ
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Steven posts photos from the episode on the Instagram. They had to pull it. You stupid fucking idiots.
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Jesus. We'll see. That's that. You know, it's that's. So I realized we're serving a need that doesn't exist.
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Yeah, that's right. You know. Well, and it's I think probably most Jewish people have just gotten used to it's like don't want that because it isn't there.
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So then finally you're like, hey, but it is. How about it is there? And then it's like, what?
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Yeah, it's really proud of us. It's great. As a people. Is it this everyone loves a Jewish girl?
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Yes. They had a whole line of everyone loves an Irish girl. Everyone loves a whatever the fuck girl.
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Oh my God. Right? Is that a purse? Oh, that's a dreidel. Sorry. Dreidels. I didn't realize dreidels had the thing on the top.
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It's like a spinning. It's like a top. That's for the spinny part. Okay. So they have the dreidel upside down because the spinny part.
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Well, that's stupid. That's why I thought it was a purse. I thought that was the handle.
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No. this is a little bump on the top that's not a dreidel so it's purses and money there's literally
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money symbols on this so crazy that looks like a dice with a handle that's not a dreidel now as
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everyone loves an irish girl it's that's surrounded by beers and potatoes and fucking cellulite
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What was on ours? Yeah, it's just a coldness, yelling. It's hard to draw that shit.
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Yeah, they had to recall that shirt, which I think is pretty fucking fabulous. Yeah, because now it's all just hearts.
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They changed it to all hearts. Yeah, like, you can leave the Jewish stars, dude.
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Let's take off it. There aren't even Jewish stars, though. As a poor Jew, I was also offended by that, too.
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As a Jewish girl who grew up poor, it's like, that's not, it's a stereotype. Right.
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Well, but as a Jewish girl that grew up poor, why don't you admit that you wanted money?
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Who the fuck doesn't want money? I wish I was a rich Jew. Well, that's the truth.
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I wish I was a rich Jew. I mean, but here's, that's the other thing too, is who doesn't want money?
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Totally. Any Lithuanians want money. Any that a nationality as opposed to a religion but Speaking of Anyway buy our merch because there very little murder there a store have fun with it there also a ton of other shit i been wearing the
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fuck out of my fuck you i'm married sweatpants yeah you have and i realized it's not fair we
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should get fuck you i'm divorced for you because it's the same thing i'd rather not why because
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I think it's perfect well the fuck you I'm married came out of joke yes so I don't
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need it just I can wear whatever I want because I'm married exactly you can wear whatever you want because you're
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fucking divorced yeah but see that's not a funny joke because that's tragic where it's like
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fuck you I'm divorced and in a deep depression and I've been wearing sweats for seven years okay it's too real I get it
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we have to if we're if we're going to do divorced merch it's gonna we have to do
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something where it's lighter and it doesn't feel yeah okay like but see then we're just going into the i'm 50 area right it's just like celebrate yeah mommy
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culture whatever the fuck mommy culture yeah that's basically it's been covered by like
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it's wine o'clock that's basically your divorce merch right i want to i'm alone and in my addiction
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join me how's that's good merch right and then a little lighthouse oh yeah yeah i love that
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okay let's do it I uh how about um something along the lines of like hey leave me alone I'm isolating
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there is a shirt that says uh sorry I'm late I didn't want to come yeah every time I see it I
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think of you so much that I just want to get you you might as well I know but I don't need the shirt
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because it'll come right out of my mouth. Yeah. Hey, I hate being here. Yeah. So I'm going to go ahead and go.
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I saw a cartoon. Oh, my God. I figure out who it was by. It said there's two girls walking into a party and one girl's going,
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I can't wait to leave this party later. I'm so excited to leave this party. Yeah.
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Oh, God. Hold on one second. Let me. I actually know who that person is. Oh, who is it?
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I went to UCSB with them. It's my friend Hillary Campbell. Cartoons. And what's her Instagram?
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Cartoons by Hillary. That's great. I love that. I think she went to the New York show.
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Yeah, she's good. I follow her Instagram. I can't wait to leave this party later.
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So excited to leave this party later. That's, God damn it, that's my life. I'm sure I'm misquoting it.
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Can I, I have a thing real quick. On a downer note? No, it's actually a, I mean, it's positive.
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So last week, I, at the end of the show, talked about my incredible therapist, Kim, who passed
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away suddenly and unexpectedly. And then I, this fucking podcast, man, like the levels of amazement that happens, that
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has happened and has been happening for the past three fucking years yeah is insane i get an email
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it's from a family member of hers who was like i was listening to the podcast and i had a fucking
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pullover because i the minute you said kim i realized you're talking about my family i don't
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want to yeah yeah yeah my family member and it meant so much to us she played it for kim's parents
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who who said thank you for you know because i wasn't able to tell kim how much she meant to me
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but her parents now know. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah. And it's just this, it's such a huge,
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this podcast, like, the connections it's making with other people getting together with us and
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other people. It's just incredible. And it's just, I didn't think that would happen. And it,
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you know, it wouldn't have happened without this podcast. And it just kind of, it gave me this little, little light of, you know, hope in this kind of depression.
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Yeah, because it matters. And expressing how you feel about people and how people matter to you and that you value people, it's super important to express that. And I guess we're getting this weird version of it where it's like, oh my God, someone heard it and cared.
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Yeah. But it's in your day to day life. It's you might as well just do it. It's it's important thing to do because you may feel like, oh, this makes me so vulnerable or I'm at this risk or whatever. But if you can figure out a way to express how you feel to people real time while they're aware of it, they might really need it. It could matter. It's a good idea. And also it's like it's a good practice to to practice kind of being brave about just going like, well, that's just how I feel.
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vulnerability that's the key with you know of course please read Brene Brown's Daring Greatly
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as I don't think Karen and I would this wouldn't exist without her no it wouldn't yeah this podcast
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we wouldn't be friends without her I feel like because we bonded over the fact we were both in
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the middle of it and the thing was be vulnerable so yes which is we which is one of our it I think
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that bonded us so fast because it was that thing of like it's so hard just to be at a party filled
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with people that we're all friends with and we're still so uncomfortable and it's like but let's be
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georgia going okay let's go around the room and say what was it ways that we're vulnerable let's
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say one thing it was thanksgiving and i said let's say one thing we're vulnerable in a room
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full of fucking male comedians and that's the only reason i did that is because i can't eat
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in silence that's like one of my old fucking eating things that's the only thing that's stuck
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around is i can't just quietly masticate yes so it was like okay can we all fucking talk please
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and stop chewing. And let's all say one thing we're vulnerable about. And you were immediately
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like, are you reading Daring Greatly? Yeah, yes, I am. It was the best. And it's the kind of thing of I love stuff like that. I love really
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talking about stuff. And I think... Let's not have small talk. Yes, let's not have small talk. Let's not riff. It's like I've been in a culture, a comedy culture
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for so long where sincerity was the worst thing you could do. It made you, it put a target on your back. It made you weak. It made you stupid.
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blah blah blah and it's like and that's just so old it's very 90s mentality where it's just like
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actually it's very cool it's the too cool it's being too cool right like right the less you give
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a shit the more cool you are which is just a mask it so obvious now and i also think that a part of being young but yeah that now that i middle i just like oh yeah i don care anymore i don give a fuck if you think i cool or not i don give a fuck if you like the music i like i not here for that anymore i did that already
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and i suffered through that already and now i'm just kind of like what's cool like what could
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happen if i actually am my real self totally and don't hold my lips together and let those lips fly
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I've been letting these lips fly on this podcast for three years. It's been pretty nice.
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It's proven your point wrong that you should keep your mouth shut. Yeah. Probably.
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Now we just have to teach my lips. Okay. Do you have anything else? I don't think so.
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Although I apologize because I'm not sure. I'm now at the end of my full-time job.
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So I'm a little out of my mind. Your other full-time job. Yeah, the additional one that I chose to take on as some sort of way of proving to the world that you're not a failure.
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Yes, exactly. I can do things. No one believes that yet. So I still have to continue to prove I can do things.
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Good job. Yeah. We believe you now. Do you? Or should I get another job? Because I was going to work Macy's Christmas gifts.
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You're going to be at the wrapping paper station? I would actually fucking love that.
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Have you got a wrapping paper wrapping gifts? Oh, my God. Are you? Well, this could have been a trick of my mom's because she would go, you're so good at wrapping.
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So smart. And then I would I'd be like, I'm really good at wrapping and I wrap everything.
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And it took me to like a year after she died where I was like, she tricked me into wrapping everything.
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She did. And what a great trick. Such a good. So, yeah, if you have children that need encouragement.
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You're so good at the dishes. You're. Oh, my God. Why are you so good at that? But here's what that bread, and this was my favorite thing.
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I used to do this thing at my parents' house. I would take down all the pictures on the walls and wrap them like presents and hang them back up.
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And that was part of our Christmas decoration. That's darling. Especially because you don't look at your family's stupid faces anymore.
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But that's just lovely. So it would be like instead of, because everything in my parents' house is like a picture of a huge fire my dad fought.
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That's like part of. Bought? Fought. Fought. Wow. There was a fire in like a South Market in San Francisco in the 80s, 90s, where it burned down like seven blocks of this neighborhood.
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And he fought it and they fought it all night. And so there's a picture of him just standing in front of it.
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Like a huge one? It's a panoramic picture. How did this not? This fucked you up.
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How did I not know this? You had fires. Pictures of fires. Yes. That had to just give you a level of anxiety.
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All like a con. That is you see that that's bananas, right? It's like having a fucking huge painting of a fucking shark, like eating a person and
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then being like, hey, here's the thing. Yeah, it's like it's almost like it was just this subconscious.
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That's why I'm always like, let's make sure we've always got two exits. Yeah. Clean or lint trap.
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Like right now. Well, we could go out this window. but if there was a fire downstairs we could get trapped up here no no we can go out this window
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we can go out this window yeah it's um yeah landing it's a walkable yeah oh honey not honey
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that sounded shitty uh honey i'm very i'm very aware of exits at all times and how i would get
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out or how people can come in them yes more so probably yep but not for the same reason right
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we're different we have a giant picture of a burglar as a kid sneaking into the house so it
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was someone janet arrested at close time i don't think it fucked me up or anything i think i'm fine
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i'm fine that's so hilarious i've never thought of this at all yeah that's like red flag just city
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don't expose your children to horror scenes look at this and also it was this thing of my mother
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i remember my mom telling me at a young age when she's like i think your father and i's the marriage
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lasted for so long because every time he left the house he could have died so every time he came back
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she was so grateful and like it was like oh yay nothing bad happened to him i have that too but
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only because i have bad anxiety that every time vince leaves the house i'm like be careful like
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even just when he was leading tonight i was like wear your seatbelt be careful like be careful of
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course yeah but that is you have to part of that might be anxiety and then part of it is you get
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to express like i want you to stick around that's good yeah that's a good you guys have a healthy
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relationship in that way i think so too i think it's nice our therapists think so too do they
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's true. He does. You're not being sarcastic. No. I mean, I'm pretty certain we're his favorite. I really do. And sometimes he'll say, do you ever want to leave this guy? I'll marry him. He's not gay. But he like loves Vince. Well, Vince has that thing. Yeah. And I know it's can be irritating because he is kind of like the homecoming king. Everyone loves that fucking guy. I know. But everyone loves me too. No, no, no. Everyone loves you. So we're great together.
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But he has that thing where like suddenly he's running the bar. Yeah. He's that guy.
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I know. Where he handles shit and he's like, who needs a drink? He's that. He's like the consummate.
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Like he makes it so that people love him. Where do you think I fucking tied that shit down as soon as possible?
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Yeah. You were like first date. You're with me. It's crappening. Love it. Yeah. All right.
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Bye you guys. Bye. What? Wow. 45 minutes of just pure. Not what this podcast is about.
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But, you know, we haven't had that much time to, like, just get into what's really going on with us.
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Oh. Because we were like, announce this and announce that. I was just going to announce something, and now I feel weird.
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Do it. Fucking one of the most downloaded podcasts of 2018 on fucking iTunes. Did you see that?
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Is. Us. Oh, oh. What the fuck else do you think I'm talking about? Sorry. It's Joe Rogan.
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Congratulations to our friend Joe Rogan. You've done great. No, no. For a second, I thought you meant this podcast will kill you because.
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Oh, we got to give a shout out to all the exactly right people real quick. Yes. Oh, my God.
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Everyone's killing it. Yes. Exactly right. I mean, that's our podcast network. We just came out with a bunch.
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The this podcast will kill you has an episode about rabies that I was listening to last night.
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That's so fucking good. And they are killing it. They're killing it. The fall line is incredible.
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The new season is amazing about all these these babies that were fucking kidnapped in Atlanta.
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Of course, the purr cast. everybody we got the official numbers and like the business side and everyone's like went so far
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beyond the what they projected yeah and everyone charted and it was such a beautiful debut thank
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you guys so much for listening for downloading that's the way just so you know if you want to
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like make that hit is when you download podcasts that's that's those are the numbers that people
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pay attention to i didn't know that yeah also when you review when you write a little like
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love it five stars like that really helps too yeah so if you want to do that that's awesome
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uh and thank you all for there was so much support and you guys went to all those new episodes oh also
00:25:05
season season one episode two of do you need a ride right you're charting the shit out of that
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dominating the comedy chart it's so exciting because chris and i have been so um low-key
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like we're like should we do another episode we've been so like trying to trying to focus on it but
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trying to do a bunch obviously a bunch of other stuff too chris is like on the road doing tons
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of performing or whatever so we're just like should we do one yeah and the idea that when we finally
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get it together and put it out all these people are just like i've been waiting god damn you guys
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put these out consistently and like oh we we spent years and years thinking no one really cares and
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who cares and so it's it's so lovely and thank you guys so much for all of that support uh that's
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what i thought you were talking about love it no uh itunes just came out with the best of 2018 and
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you click on that fucking most downloaded and we're on that with a bunch a bunch of other
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fucking incredible people probably joe rogan including definitely joe rogan a dr death is
00:26:06
on there too which is like i i just have a real connection because that that podcast got under my
00:26:12
skin yeah in so many ways it's such a good podcast let's see who else but they don't need shout outs
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they're all they're they're downloaded they're great we're all fine our friend um oh yes that's
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right uh stuff you should know stuff you should know i was gonna say how did this get made which
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the fun ones that you're like oh that's so cool that we're part of that this pod save america
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obviously but then to just be on that with them it's a huge honor it is and it's uh it's you guys
00:26:48
you know it's you guys making it happen downloading that shit so thank you thanks guys and we have
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00:28:00
That's the reaction a lot of people are having when they first try Kewpie mayo. It's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle.
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00:29:24
Nice. I should have done that a long fucking time ago and it's a lot of them as I said before
00:29:31
because there was the Todd Alan Reed that I did the Forest Park Killer that I did
00:29:37
last time was a leftover from Portland where I was like oh right I gotta do that
00:29:42
so I'd been doing a couple of those where I'm like just move that over into this area and you'll
00:29:47
use it later when you have seven full time jobs and you can't actually do the show that
00:29:53
you should be actually paying attention to Right So this is one of those from when we were in Atlanta on tour And I had this one already but it was just kind of short and pretty basic And it really old
00:30:10
So there's not a ton of information. Right. But right. So today at four o'clock when I was at
00:30:17
baskets in the writer's room where we're in like serious rewrites. And then I just went,
00:30:22
oh my god I don't know if I have a story for tonight and then I looked that one up and then
00:30:27
had to text even and go have I done this yeah I've done that multiple times because I was like
00:30:32
I was looking at looking at the words and going this is familiar yeah it's familiar but it's
00:30:38
because I'm the one that put it on paper anyway I'm right on the edge of a mental collapse and here
00:30:45
we go this is the first murder to happen in the state of georgia the back in uh the 1700s shut up
00:30:58
and this is the story of alice riley okay um it's so old and weird and random in all these different
00:31:06
ways that that yeah it's it's so crazy so i just tell you some things okay um let's see what happens
00:31:14
Okay, do it. Alice Riley was born around 1718 in Ireland. You've been there. Yep.
00:31:25
In 1733, she was 15 years old. This is when everybody's trying to leave Ireland because of disease and the famine that the British actually forced.
00:31:38
People love to talk about, oh, the potato famine when no one could grow potatoes.
00:31:41
Huh, uh, uh. They grew potatoes. They grew them. They were taken. The British came in, shipped all that food out, starved everybody out.
00:31:49
Colonization. But the only way to get out of Ireland, if you didn't have money yourself,
00:31:56
was you had your fare paid by someone who would then employ you when you got to America.
00:32:03
Okay. Or the New World or whatever it was back in the 1790s. You know. You've been there.
00:32:08
You know. You historians know what I'm talking about, and no one else does. so a man named William Wise
00:32:14
paid her $5 holy shit boat fare how much was it back then? $5 in today's money is the amount of a carnival cruise
00:32:24
$3,000 but without that beautiful buffet yeah there's no buffet on her boat she just got to throw up under deck
00:32:34
no zip lining there wasn't one of those weird small but deep pools have you ever seen a cruise ship pool?
00:32:41
never been on a cruise ship oh girl are they horrible no no there's but but you can only have
00:32:47
i mean i'm not talking about the zipline carnival cruises where now they're making them like cities
00:32:52
floating cities but like the last time i was on a cruise there in the pool area it's the pool is like
00:32:58
10 feet long but then it's like 35 feet deep it's like it's like oh if we can't fit them all in here
00:33:04
go down there just go down low yeah um so anyway she amandie william wise paid for her five dollar
00:33:12
boat fare and that meant that she would be his indentured servant for seven years what could go
00:33:17
wrong right i mean it's like oh that's okay so i have a chance to at least i'm leaving this this
00:33:24
place where the british are trying to colonize us i'll go to america and just be an indentured
00:33:29
servant and that'll be great so on the boat she's either already traveling with her common-law
00:33:34
husband richard white which is the boring and unlikely version since she was uh 15 and your
00:33:42
common-law by living together for seven years so unless she shacked up with richard when she was
00:33:47
eight it seems like the better option the more romantic and cinematic option is that she met
00:33:53
richard white on the boat let's go with it right so she throws up over the side comes up
00:33:58
wipes her mouth off on her shawl turns and there's this beautiful irishman standing next to her and
00:34:05
she's like i'm going over there somebody paid my five dollars yeah i'm going to be an indentured
00:34:09
servant he's like me too oh my god what's your guys's name he's also there to work for william
00:34:15
no way yes so that's also an indicator that it makes more sense that they would have been a
00:34:21
couple and then going to work for the same person but i don't like that version of the story yeah
00:34:25
it's not as fun no anyway it's all vague and we can fill on our in the rewrite can we oh i have
00:34:31
i have rewrites well let's hear one well can we go with like they were they weren't working for
00:34:36
the same guy they were like neighbor gonna be like working for neighbors because like it's too much if
00:34:40
it's like they were working for the same guy yeah true so it's like what if the um estates are on
00:34:46
the same wooded path yeah and then she's walking yes she's got her bucket of berries yeah and then
00:34:53
here comes i don't know a killian murphy type okay and then she's just like what's up what's
00:35:00
up on your estate yeah yeah okay and he's like god you look so much better off the boat
00:35:05
i love it you're not barfing anymore you're not seasick and gray-faced um all right so uh
00:35:15
Here's the amazing part, and this is true and real and still very cinematic. The ship that they are both on crashes into Savannah.
00:35:27
So remember when we were in Georgia, like Atlanta, Savannah's right on the coast.
00:35:33
And so basically this ship where they're like, oh, this has been the worst and I have the worst seasickness.
00:35:38
And then it just crashes. They forget to put the brakes on and they're like, land home.
00:35:42
Everybody went to sleep. I just see one of those cartoons that show the boat crashing, you know, from the map.
00:35:48
They show the map. Yes. And it goes along. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a sea monster.
00:35:52
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They crash right into Savannah. Great. It a cold winter night Most of the passengers on board drowned Shit And Alice Riley and her new hot boyfriend
00:36:05
what's his name, Richard White, they both survive. They swim to shore and they make it.
00:36:16
So they bond over that. Sure. And so if they weren't in love before, God damn it, wouldn't you love that man?
00:36:22
Absolutely. That also survived. because it's a good sign about his jeans anyway so they drag themselves from the wreckage they're
00:36:29
brought to william wise's cattle farm farm on hutchinson island which is across from the city
00:36:35
of savannah and uh they're so william wise they meet they meet william wise okay there how's it
00:36:44
going uh not great he's known as a scallywag who isn't in the 1700s in the 1700s it's anybody
00:36:54
anybody with his uh yeah chops yeah like look at that fucking scallywag um but he this guy's a
00:37:02
creep okay so she's dreading being a maid anyway she's like oh i'm gonna be a maid for seven years
00:37:09
not you know that's like half that's like half your fucking expected life expectancy that's right
00:37:15
back then yeah she's like well i can get i okay fine i'm an old lady of 22 yes i'm an old maid of
00:37:23
22 um i just met this great guy okay well i'm gonna be made for seven years then she finds out
00:37:29
that she also has to attend to him by picking lice out of his matted hair no this that's how
00:37:37
they did it back then they didn't have combs they just had girls do you know what i think that's
00:37:42
above my pay grade that's what i would say i'm sorry that's above my pay grade i didn't sign up
00:37:48
for this shit she was the first person to ever say that phrase in 17 18 19 um 100
00:37:56
so uh-oh this one's already gone way off way off real fun she also had to clean crumbs out of his
00:38:04
long, greasy beard. And while fending off his lecherous advances, because there was no sexual
00:38:11
harassment seminars back then. She just started that job and was off to the races. He was abusive
00:38:17
and cruel to Alice and her boyfriend, Richard. I'm calling her him her boyfriend. So by 1734,
00:38:27
this old guy falls ill and that's when alice and richard um have to start bathing him daily
00:38:35
right so we go from bad to worse but i mean is it bad to worse it's like at least he's taking a
00:38:41
bath every day because i bet yeah he wasn't doing that before yeah maybe he's got lice yeah that
00:38:46
wasn't a daily fucking ritual right in his life no exactly we're certainly not combing his hair
00:38:51
and putting it back into a into like a guitar center ponytail where it's like i'm not rocking
00:38:57
on the stage right now. I'm here to sell some guitar strings. So I'll put it back into a clean
00:39:02
and shiny ponytail. Right, so it doesn't get in the food. Not this guy. You know how Guitar Center
00:39:07
now serves food? That lovely buffet? They have that gorgeous buffet down front. So they have to
00:39:15
wash him, bathe him. Great. Not the greatest. It's uncertain whether Richard and Alice plotted the
00:39:22
murder beforehand or if it was just a lark is that's a cut and paste if i've ever seen one because
00:39:27
you normally would not use that word when it comes that's not the word that's correct in this sentence
00:39:32
nope um unless i was just being weird which is very possible yeah um don't you i love that you
00:39:39
i forget which things i've unplagiarized and which i actually plagiarized oh i guess i'll make this
00:39:45
i'll personalize this to myself and it's like well that doesn't sound like me though yeah i know oh i
00:39:49
just donated money to wikipedia by the way i was like good they were like we need money and i was
00:39:53
like i owe them so much money someone on twitter sorry i didn't write it down just tweeted i just
00:39:58
donated twenty dollars to twitter like and thought of you guys it's like thank you twitter or wikipedia
00:40:02
um sorry don't donate money to listen please do not give your money to twitter no they deserve
00:40:09
nothing um no she's sorry she tweeted that she donated twenty dollars to wikipedia yeah it was
00:40:15
nice and uh she shall remain nameless even though i bet she doesn't want to thanks her name's
00:40:21
georgia um yeah so okay so on march 16th 1734 while richard was bathing william he took his
00:40:31
neckerchief and strangled strangled the gross old man in the bathtub that's me for sure that's awful
00:40:37
um alice held his head underwater to make sure he was dead so they're not sure obviously
00:40:44
if it was pre-planned and like that, or if it was just in that moment of like, I can't take this anymore and he's gross and old anyway.
00:40:53
Yeah. You take your neckerchief off. It sounds like a spur of the moment kind of thing.
00:40:58
Yeah, it does. And just like the final straw, where he was like, look at the bubbles I'm making.
00:41:05
What if he was like, I hate your neckerchief. And he's like, oh, you do? Do you really?
00:41:09
Want to get a close-up look of it? Do you really? Because you're a withered old man sitting in a thing of,
00:41:13
like not even hot water. They're bathing him and there's no running water indoors.
00:41:19
No. They have to bring the water in to bathe the old creep. A bath is a four-hour ordeal back then.
00:41:26
And there's so many liver spots that you can barely see any of the bubbles. There was a bubble bath back then.
00:41:33
But he's farting. Oh, I thought you meant he was farting. No. In the bathtub. No.
00:41:39
All right. Okay, so... Okay, you're doing great. You're almost there. I'm there.
00:41:42
I'm so there. Here's my eyes. Alice held us. I said that already. Then they fled to South Carolina where locals were fired up about servants
00:41:50
killing their masters. So they all helped with the manhunt. So basically they were just like Oh we can have this If you an indentured servant you don get to kill anybody You don get to have fun like everyone else does Yeah exactly You don have any rights much less you don get to exact justice on anybody
00:42:08
So Alice and Richard are easily found because everyone's out and after them and brought back to Georgia for trial.
00:42:14
So a magistrate named Thomas Koston promptly sentenced them both to hang. So their trial was basically like, what's this you say?
00:42:23
Guilty. um it lasted that long so now there's two stories about as to how things as to how i didn't write
00:42:31
that as to how things transpired one is that richard was hung first in the gallows and then
00:42:37
when alice saw that he got hung she freaked out started screaming and saying she was pregnant
00:42:42
and then they halted her execution until they could determine if this was true and uh but alice
00:42:51
Riley is known as the first person to be hanged in the colony of Georgia. And so that means he couldn't have gone first because he would be the first person hung in Georgia.
00:43:02
So get your facts straight, everyone. I mean, get your facts straight. The oldest possible murder I could be talking about.
00:43:09
That's very difficult. Yeah, they didn't have Wikipedia back then. No, they sure didn't.
00:43:13
It was all rumor and gossip. What if he didn't even have lice? and we're just besmirching the name of a of a lice-free estate holder 100 what am i talking about
00:43:26
another uh version has her just telling magistrate straight out i'm pregnant um so that both
00:43:34
executions are postponed um either way the doctors confirm she's pregnant and her execution is
00:43:41
postponed for eight months so that did happen and she was pregnant um most people assume that the
00:43:47
baby was William Wise's, the old creeps. No. Because he was raping her daily. Holy shit.
00:43:56
But Alice swore the baby was Richard's. Yeah. So they allow her to give birth to the child.
00:44:02
It's a boy, and he's adopted two weeks later. Wow. So then on January 19th, 1735, Alice Riley is taken to Percival Square, which is now called
00:44:13
right square which was also known as hanging square i wonder why and then she was hanged oh
00:44:22
oh there you go um as she was being hung alice is said to have screamed at the crowd gathered to
00:44:29
watch her execution that she had cursed the area right that'd be exciting yeah yeah and then the
00:44:35
legend has it that it took three days for her to die and that her body was left hanging in the
00:44:42
gallows but then disappeared during the night so alice riley was the first person executed in the
00:44:48
new colony of georgia so that first version couldn't have been the truth and i sussed it out
00:44:53
i'm the one that figured it out smart thank you um her lover richard white was hung the next day
00:45:00
the newborn child put up for adoption died soon after tragedy all around right so now we get to
00:45:09
the haunting part right haunting part there's a haunting part and it is really cool because
00:45:16
it was it's not it wasn't enough for a live show but this is a this is a haunting where they have
00:45:21
tons of people who witness it and see it often is it a ghost baby it's a no it's a ghost adult
00:45:29
okay so to this day this savannah police get calls from tourists about a woman who's wandering
00:45:35
in Wright Square looking for a baby and asking them for help. No. Yes. The police know it's Alice, so they always send out the rookies to go check on it.
00:45:45
And the ghost often appears as a real person, and she consistently appears to mothers with
00:45:52
infants in strollers. So it's a lady walking up with period costume, but the tourists don't recognize it.
00:46:01
They don't see it as anything weird because there's so much in that area. it's there's reenactors and there's tours and stuff of like this is this historical hanging
00:46:11
square totally so they just turn around and there's a lady in period clothes going i lost
00:46:16
my baby and then they go oh my god what happened and they try to help her and she disappears does
00:46:20
she disappear or does she walk away because what if it's actually a woman in a reenactment woman
00:46:26
who's just who's like i'm just out here to fuck with some people absolutely well here's the
00:46:32
witnesses describe the woman as being dressed in perioded clothing um i just told you that part
00:46:37
but there's a picture somebody took a picture of her running away from the camera could be fake
00:46:43
fun to talk about and you can look it up online and it's like this weird you can see it's a move
00:46:50
like it's a i think from what i remember it was nighttime and she's running so there's like it's
00:46:56
a flashy looking thing of like a body moving away but it was like someone going this is so weird
00:47:01
steven's got it of course he's got it thank you steven oh because i pulled we pulled this for the
00:47:06
show right oh he knows let me see let me see steven's pointing at me like we're playing charades
00:47:11
right now on the nose you talk on this podcast let me see let me see look at that i want a painting
00:47:18
of that hand it over wait oh that's creepy as fuck right yeah because it's almost like she got
00:47:25
up close to the person help me find my baby and then and then ran away and the lady's like hold
00:47:29
on that's weird and then took the picture i know creepy we'll put it up on our instagram i i really
00:47:35
love this picture yeah then there's some then there's some fake ghost pictures underneath stop
00:47:39
looking at pictures karen there's some fake ghost pictures under the real ghost picture
00:47:43
yeah that's how you know the first ghost picture is so real it's it's weird fake fake here's a
00:47:49
thing i like to this day spanish moss does not grow on the side of the trees the north side of
00:47:57
the trees that face the gallows. I don't get it. I don't. Is that a riddle? So all these trees have moss on them.
00:48:07
Yeah. But it won't grow on the side that face the gallows. That doesn't face the sun.
00:48:13
So good. The easily explainable biological reason. I'm such a skeptic. I'm so sorry.
00:48:20
But don't you see that moss, which is the most sensitive of all lichens? It's like they're protesting.
00:48:27
They're facing bad vibes. and you're like it's been 300 years you can stop protesting they're like no we can't we saw what
00:48:33
happened okay um that's creepy and then i wrote her curse worked on the moss and then i wrote here's a final line and that's the fast and poorly told story of the hanging of
00:48:49
alice riley but there's picture like there's art of her it it was just basically um the
00:48:56
a murder the first murder happened in georgia uh like the first hanging because of the murder
00:49:05
i love it so you know what i'm saying is i love irish girls whatever that shirt is
00:49:12
irish girls getting it done and then there's like a little gallows great job not really i feel like this show is a theme wait that was low-hanging moss
00:49:24
that was stupid wonderful um good job you did it though you know what here's what i did i did it
00:49:33
you did a thing i did do it it was fun we had some fun with it i bet you here's the thing people um
00:49:39
people please send us if you know personal alice riley stories or you ever had alice riley come
00:49:46
up and ask you where her baby was yes i just think that that could you imagine that idea alone
00:49:51
of just a woman that's like, please help me find my baby would be the scariest thing ever.
00:49:57
Especially when you have a baby. Yes. I'd be like, don't touch mine. Yeah. Bitch.
00:50:01
But then you're like, oh, now I'm cold. Yeah. Now the moss is gone. And now I'm trying to take a selfie with her because she's a period person and she's running.
00:50:11
Why would she run that scary? Well, take a selfie with me. I have an Instagram post, bitch.
00:50:17
I have a baby. I have a mommy Instagram. It's five o'clock somewhere. I'm a mommy.
00:50:22
I love wine. I'm a mommy. Mommy culture. Wine me. Wine me, baby. Less whining and more whining.
00:50:30
Yes. Right? Okay, I'm going to do mine. Okay, great. But I'm going to pay first.
00:50:35
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Default terms at mintmobile.com. This is Matt Rogers from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
00:51:09
This is Bowen Yang from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. You know when people try on new food and suddenly it's like, wait.
00:51:16
That's the reaction a lot of people are having when they first try Kewpie mayo. It's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle.
00:51:24
You've probably seen it in the grocery store before. And if you've ever just walked past it, some people would say that's a huge mistake.
00:51:30
Because this mayo is different. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. Kewpie only uses egg yolks, which gives it this rich umami flavor.
00:51:39
It's smoother, deeper, and almost buttery. Once people try it, they start putting it on everything.
00:51:44
Egg sandwiches, fries, burgers. Some fans even swear by dipping pizza crust in it.
00:51:49
And once you notice it, you start seeing it everywhere. Chefs use it. Restaurants use it.
00:51:53
People who really care about flavor use it. Never tried it? Grab the bottle with the red cap next time you're at the store.
00:51:59
Put it on just about anything. Then you'll understand. QP, the original Japanese mayonnaise.
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00:52:25
Yeah. Thank you, Stephen. It was from Alexis H. Do we say people's full names if they tweet to us?
00:52:33
Just their Twitter handle. Well, it is. So Alexis Holzer on Twitter, she wrote to us,
00:52:40
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Truly, this podcast would end if Wikipedia ended. I just don't... I don't rely on it.
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And there's not a ton of shit at all times. It's kind of just like a base. You need to check the basic facts.
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Yeah. And then you have to read a ton of articles. I mean, Reddit's better. for information yes then wikipedia you also have to be very trusting on reddit i guess the same as
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wikipedia but wikipedia has a little bit of a reddit's more like i heard in my high school
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classroom that where that's the shit i love but me too who knows what you're who knows what you're
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getting it's all true how did we not talk about fucking chris dawson getting arrested oh my god
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we forgot to talk about in the beginning of this true crime show we forgot to talk about the true
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crime fucking news of the week if you haven't listened to the podcast teachers pet yeah you
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have to listen to it it is so good it's so well done it's um australian it's it's the
00:53:50
australian the australian oh that right the newspaper the australian podcast and it about a woman a mother of two who was married to this rugby star who went fucking randomly missing in like 1980 something And they investigating it
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Clearly the fucking, like my t-shirt says, the husband did it. Yes. And he finally fucking got arrested like this week.
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And the details of it and the pain of the people telling the story, obviously because they talked to family members.
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But they also talked to these friends and neighbors. and it's that thing of you know it might be australian culture it might be whatever it is
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but people back then didn't get into each other's business so when they heard these things and they
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heard the real she's gone and she went away she went she joined a cult she joined a cult all these
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things they weren't going to be like fighting with people in the street of like no she didn't
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especially when there's no yeah there's no and when it's that kind of thing with a lot of these
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cases, it's once you put, you know, eight, eight people have one little fact, yes, each one a
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different one. And you don't realize till you put them all together that tells a story. Yes,
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which is so interesting. But it was so well done. And it so clearly was done in this way.
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That reporter, Stephen, do you mind? Would you please be my brain? But the reporter who put this
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podcast together, who narrates it was so good at it. So good. Clearly is an investigative reporter
00:55:16
for the Australian. And just was like, this has to change. In this case, and they would interview these people.
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All those people, the neighbors and the friends, were so well-spoken. It made me go,
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is their Australian public school system amazing? No, because he was working at them
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and fucking was screwing all the 16-year-old girls and treating the one that he moved in
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the day after Lynn went fucking missing. Spoiler. Which is child molestation. I mean, that fucking creep.
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Yes. there is a terrible culture of of silence and kind of like we get to do what we want because
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we're rugby stars or because we're cops or because we're whatever and they wouldn't they wouldn't
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fucking prosecute him even though too i mean it's just an amazing story of like of like letting
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letting her down yes and but the people who there are people who are so pained over it because they
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were like i should have done something they're so well spoken they're so emotionally intelligent
00:56:14
it's just a very satisfying podcast to listen to it's very gripping and then there's actually
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there's a there's something comes of it amazing the um teacher's pet is headed by gold walkley
00:56:26
winning investigative reporter hedley thomas hedley thomas thank you hedley thomas what a great job he
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does and then it i mean he got the job done it must be so satisfying it's like he'd be like
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there's so many people involved who helped me blah blah blah but i'd like to thank my publicist
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It's like, Hedley, take it. Go for it. Speaking of great podcasts, my story kind of, I found it kind of because of one.
00:56:52
Okay. Hold on, Stephen. So did I. The Alice Riley podcast. It's coming out of Galway, Ireland.
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That'd be amazing. Yes. So Karen, I text you over the weekend how obsessed I am with this podcast, Bear Brook.
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Yes. um, put up by New Hampshire, New Hampshire public radio. It, the story starts with,
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I'm sure you guys have heard it. If you're into true crime, there's bodies found in barrels in the New Hampshire woods and goes on to tell
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one of the most amazing fucking true. Like it, if you're, if you need to get someone into true crime,
00:57:30
this is the perfect fucking story because it goes into so many different directions.
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It's really incredible. Yes. Like, honestly, there's so many parts where you're just screaming.
00:57:38
Yeah. and featuring friend of the show Billy Johnson true crime reporter Billy Jensen who this the bodies in the barrels has been a cold case that he's
00:57:46
been obsessed with for years yeah and it's trying to solve it just keeps getting
00:57:50
crazier and crazier it does it's an incredible fucking story like I want to make Vince listen to it so he gets why I'm so obsessed with this shit yeah so
00:57:58
bodies in barrels made me think of one of the forensic files and like cold case fails it's stuck with me forever yes of a body in a barrel uh this is the murder of reyna uh mara
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quinn okay do you know this one i'm sure you know this one i don't know tell me well i'm gonna tell
00:58:17
you okay tell me please so on september 2nd 1999 here we are fucking dawn of the internet age
00:58:24
you really put me there there you go uh you know the dial up and shit yeah whatever a dude named
00:58:30
ron is moving out of his family they're moving the family out of the home in their upper middle
00:58:35
class neighborhood of Jericho, Long Island. So like lovely little probably bedroom community,
00:58:40
whatever the fuck. During the final walkthrough with the new with the buyer, they go they go into
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the crawlspace that's under the den. And the new buyer is like, hey, that that fucking 55 gallon
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rusted drum that's been stashed in the fucking 36 inch crawlspace under the rear den. Since Ron's
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family had moved in 10 years earlier, you need to get that fucking thing out of here before I buy
00:59:03
this house. It's the last thing you need to do. And Ron says, I was annoyed, but I'll do it.
00:59:10
It weighs 345 pounds. He remembers seeing it when they moved in, too heavy to move,
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forgot about it 10 years later. Now he needs to dispose of it. So he has the movers help him
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bring it to the curb to have the trash men or women garbage sanitation workers to take it away.
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But the next day after the fucking garbage man, women, sanitation workers come, it's still there.
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And they left a note that was like, yo, dude, this could be toxic waste. We don't know what's in it.
00:59:45
B, it's too fucking heavy. You need to like empty it out before we'll take it or you need to do
00:59:49
something else with it. But like, we're not we're not taking it. Yeah. You have to get rid of this
00:59:54
responsibly Exactly So he like all right fuck this shit He gets a neighbor They pry the lid off with a screwdriver and are immediately when the fucking top comes off are hit with this insane smell that they gagging It the worst smell they ever smelled in their lives
01:00:10
Guess what's in it? There's a green liquid sludge inside. Nope. And floating at the top of that sludge, they see a hand and a shoe that's still on the person at the top of the liquid.
01:00:24
No. So they call the police and minutes later, Nassau County police arrive and confirm there's a body in the barrel, which is like, duh, we knew that, dudes.
01:00:36
The barrel's taken to the medical examiner. They begin the process of extracting the remains, which takes hours.
01:00:42
And there's like photos and video of the whole fucking thing. No. Of course, I looked at all of them.
01:00:46
Don't do it. Why? It's fun. It's not. It's fascinating. They drain the green industrial liquid, and they don't know what the liquid is.
01:00:57
And they also find thousands of small plastic pellets. It looks like the inside of a bean bag.
01:01:02
Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And they're able to remove the body eventually, which had inadvertently become mummified.
01:01:09
Because it's in there so long. Yeah. And the other items, they had all been really well preserved because the barrel had that airtight seal.
01:01:18
Right. So everything was mummified. They determine that the body is of a young female between the ages of 20 and 30, probably white or Hispanic.
01:01:26
When they x-ray the body, they find that the victim was nine months pregnant. Oh, no.
01:01:31
Yeah. The victim's cause of death is blunt force trauma to the skull. It looks like she's been hit maybe 10 times in the back of the head.
01:01:39
Oh, God. It's crazy. They aren't able to get fingerprints because she'd been mummified, but they get a clue to her identity because, first of all,
01:01:48
her unusual dental work and the, uh, autopsy dude was from South America and identified her
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dental work as being from South America. Oh yeah. Wow. Yeah. He was good at his job. Right.
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Would that be the medical examiner? Thank you. Yes. Autopsy dude. Cause I was like,
01:02:06
is that the corner? But that's a different, it's not necessarily the same thing. No medical
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examiner is completely right. Okay. Uh, thank you law and order. Uh, and then they, then they
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noticed that the victim, they were like, how long has this body been here? They noticed that she's
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wearing a style of dress that's like indicative of the 1960s. So they're like, this looks way
01:02:29
older than a decade. She's still totally dressed in a skirt, button-down sweater, high socks and
01:02:37
shoes and a coat, a leopard print coat. And so they think that maybe this could have happened
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decades earlier. It's 1999. Remember dial up? They were able to estimate that she's been dead
01:02:48
from 25 to 30 years. Whoa. Yeah. So she still has on some jewelry. And in the fucking barrel,
01:02:58
along with the body is her purse. Jesus Christ. Yeah. So they the medical examiner looks in the
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purse, they find like everything that she would have thrown in there compact, her fucking comb,
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an eyelash curler and they also find a small little paper address book that of course is so
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deteriorated from the body fluids and whatever this green sludge is that they can't read anything
01:03:21
that's in it they said that it was like so delicate you could have just pushed your finger through it
01:03:26
yeah um but they're hopeful that maybe if they can get this fucking thing dried out and shit that it
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can give them a clue as to who this woman is because they don't know who she is still
01:03:35
um okay so detective her name is joan uh fiertner she's a forensic document examiner and she
01:03:43
is thinks she could remove some of the writing even though it's deteriorated she places a book
01:03:48
it's like this is fucking newfangled forensic thing it's a drying cabinet and hopes the victim's
01:03:53
handwriting would appear as the moisture evaporated and it took it was so painstaking
01:03:58
it was like one piece of paper every four hours would dry off enough and she had to use this crazy
01:04:03
ruler to like just to turn the pages otherwise they would have just disintegrated but she's able
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to kind of piece some stuff out wow i bet that part of a job like that is so satisfying so
01:04:14
rewarding because it really is like it's a puzzle that actually matters yeah it's like it's not
01:04:20
fucking garfield eating a lasagna it's like you put these pieces together and you can actually
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solve a cold case you can like find the murder of a nine-month pregnant fucking yes that's someone's daughter sister somebody it sounds amazing yeah um so meanwhile while uh
01:04:41
dr furtner is trying to figure out this address book hey let's go over to the detectives in the
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meantime they are like how do we find out where this barrel came from let's dig into the history
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of the house first they're like no one's stupid enough to put a fucking barrel with a dead body
01:04:55
that they killed in their own fucking house that is stupid so and no one and like sneaking by is
01:05:01
going to just like be like i'm going to stash this body here so they're like well what about
01:05:05
the people so the crawl space had been an add-on so they're like what about maybe the construction
01:05:10
workers who had made this crawl space right so they look up the details they find out it's it
01:05:15
was made in 1980 and so they go find the dude who owned the home in 1980 and he's like no i remember
01:05:20
the crawl space wasn't built then i it was built before we moved in i remember seeing that barrel
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too my kids played hide and seek behind it and shit like it was there before that and then they
01:05:30
realized that the uh that the crawl space uh permit was misdated and actually built way before
01:05:38
oh so they look into the owners of the home throughout the years and they find that there
01:05:42
are four different owners for the past 30 years and when they question about the owners they all
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mention like we saw it we couldn't move it we ignored it can i just say one thing yeah yeah
01:05:52
the person who misdated that permit yeah i want to talk to them yeah you almost fucked this entire thing up Well also did you have something to do with it Like that very convenient Oh Just putting it out there
01:06:05
So maybe the person who filed the, yeah, that's a good point. A murderous government worker.
01:06:12
That's right. Of some kind. Or the person who was asking for the permit purposely misstated it.
01:06:18
Yeah, because that was back when you could probably, like, lick your thumb and rub it on there.
01:06:22
You make a six into an eight pretty easily, right? Look, mom and A plus in a subject I'm terrible at.
01:06:28
Right. That's slightly smudged with spit. Don't worry about it. Anyway. Anyway, give me a cupcake.
01:06:33
I got A's. Okay. But one owner in particular, fucking red flag city over here. His name's Howard Elkins.
01:06:43
The guy who, the detective who got this case, his name is Detective Robert Edwards.
01:06:49
He's like a badass legend. Everyone's like in awe of him. At the time, he's one of the longest serving homicide detectives ever.
01:06:57
So he doesn't get the like fucking jaywalking cases like this guy is. He's like, bring me the real stuff.
01:07:03
Yeah, they're like, great. Here's this insane thing. Yeah. So he says about this guy, Howard Elkins, he was very tall, good looking, distinguished
01:07:09
businessman. He had owned the house from 1959 through 1972. And he had also owned in town a plastics factory called Melrose Plastics.
01:07:20
Did they specialize in tiny, tiny pellets? let's keep going. Sorry. I just want to guess.
01:07:27
Okay. They specialize in beanbag filling. I just want to show I am good at this,
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even though my story I told does not reflect that. Karen is the longest serving amateur detective in history.
01:07:40
That's right. I've grown my mustache out. Yep. So they're, these fucking smart people are able to trace the numbers.
01:07:49
They trace the numbers that are printed on the barrel to the fucking barrel company.
01:07:52
yeah i guess that's the second who like who would have thought like i'm gonna open a barrel company
01:07:57
you know the thing i've never told you about myself is i'm actually a barrel heiress
01:08:00
i don't want people barrel baron yeah i'm inheriting a barrel fortune um you always need
01:08:07
them uh-huh um we've got the oil people and no one thinks to make them because everyone's like
01:08:12
making the shit that goes in them yeah just my genius grandfather so smart was like what if i'm
01:08:17
you can fill the barrel with whatever you want yeah i'm making the barrel you have to buy it yeah
01:08:21
yeah start it fucking start at a start at b i love it containers uh container store
01:08:28
that's not a plug okay so this fucking barrel company is like yeah dude we i know that barrel
01:08:35
number we used to sell barrels to merrill to melrose plastics in the 70s for sure what's up
01:08:40
connected connected they also found that the green pigment from the drum was used to dye the concrete
01:08:47
and plaster. Okay, so here's the thing. Here's what Melrose Plastics did. Melrose
01:08:51
Plastic makes fake flowers. Oh. One of the things that was found in the barrel besides those
01:08:57
pellets and the green sludge was you can see a photo of it, the fucking leaves from fake
01:09:03
flowers. Creepy. Creepy as fuck. They found that the green pigment that was in the drum, that industrial
01:09:09
shit, was the dye that they used to dye the concrete and plaster bases that held the plastic flowers
01:09:15
and trees produced at the Elkins workshop. So that plastic, I think that that those pellets for the plastic that they
01:09:22
melted down and turned into the plastic flowers. Got it. So that's like the pre flower. Yeah.
01:09:27
You know what I mean? Yes, I think so. In a telephone interview with the New York Times,
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Mr. Elkins acknowledged that he had bought the house new in 1957 had lived in it for 15 years
01:09:39
before selling and moving to Florida in 1972. And yes, he had built the den off the kitchen
01:09:45
that created the crawl space and had he ever gone in the crawl space he said what for never been in
01:09:50
there i never went in the crawl space liar well for lots of things like say you got a raccoon got
01:09:57
in there right you want to store your basic shit that you you murder somebody and you want to hide
01:10:02
a body right there's a couple reasons and those are the only ones uh days later so detectives are
01:10:09
like, great. They make a trip to Hallandale Beach, Florida, where they track down this says 80 year
01:10:15
old, but I heard 70 year old and other things. But who knows? Oh, no, no, I'm sorry. They track
01:10:20
down 80 year old Melvin Gantman. He's a retired businessman and Elkins former partner. Oh,
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they show him a picture of the barrel. And he's like, Yeah, that was definitely one of our fucking
01:10:30
barrels. We use those fucking barrels are the best. I know those barrels. Right. They asked him
01:10:39
if he had any idea about a dead pregnant woman found inside one of them that was found under
01:10:44
the Elkins former Long Island home. And he's like, yo, we used to manufacture plastic flowers using
01:10:52
young immigrant women as line workers. He said, I remember that Elkins had become involved with
01:10:59
one of them and had an affair with her way back then. We go. That's right. Here it is. He described
01:11:04
the girl as exotic and beautiful with long dark hair and her two front teeth had been gold or she
01:11:10
had gold fillings but he couldn't remember her name but all of that fit with the body and that's
01:11:15
the interesting dental work right the emmy oh man yeah but they still don't know who she is
01:11:20
and there's no missing persons report from back then either like of someone fitting that description
01:11:24
right so let's go back to fucking nassau county crime lab where dr fertner is fucking working with
01:11:32
paper and shit. Yes, yeah. She detects faint markings on the dry pages, but they're still
01:11:36
unreadable. So she uses a video spectral comparator. Right. No, I have one. They're so convenient.
01:11:45
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just have to have one. Yeah, when you need to compare one thing to
01:11:49
the other. Every house needs one. Get a spectral version of it. Well, back then it was a new
01:11:53
cutting-age machine that allowed her to look through. We use these every day in our everyday
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lives now, but back in 1999, we You being sarcastic? Yes. Because I was like, really?
01:12:02
How? I really do want one now. No, we don't know what they are. And it's probably dated as fuck already.
01:12:10
Right. Yes, exactly. She looks through the infrared and ultraviolet ranges of the spectrum,
01:12:15
outside of the range of the eye. Sure. So she scans the address. It's the part on forensic files where everything turns blue.
01:12:22
Right. It's the part on forensic files where everything is dated. Because it's 1997.
01:12:28
Exactly. So she scans the address book pages and is able to detect under this ultraviolet thing, the victim's handwriting.
01:12:35
And on one page, she found the phrase social security number. And on another, she finds the word Residencia Nombre, which she's like, this must be her fucking her.
01:12:46
What's it called? Immigration number? Thank you. Is that a thing? Yes. That's what it is.
01:12:50
Okay, that's correct. So this leads police to go to immigration, and they're able to use her fucking number from 1967 to track down who this person was.
01:13:01
Her name is Raina Marquin. She's 25 years old in 1966 when she immigrated to New York from El Salvador.
01:13:09
And she had been 27 when she disappeared, and no one had heard from her again in 1969.
01:13:15
She had worked as a nanny and at Melrose Plastics in Manhattan. Whoa. Yeah. So later Detective Furtner found, let's see, I'll read that to you in a minute.
01:13:26
Okay, so Dr. Furtner also finds they're able to pick up a bunch of phone numbers from the book.
01:13:30
And they're like, it's been 30 years. These phones are all going to be disconnected.
01:13:34
They're all disconnected, all disconnected. And then they call one number. A woman named Kathy picks up.
01:13:39
She's asked if she knew Raina. And she starts fucking crying. And she's like, my angel, I thought I'd never hear about her again.
01:13:46
I knew something had happened to her. Oh, no. Yeah. So she said she had met Raina in an English class and said that Raina had come to the U.S. to study fashion.
01:13:55
She was obsessed with the fashion industry. She took citizenship classes. She loved New York and was full of life and eager to learn and make a life in the U.S.
01:14:07
Over time, Kathy noticed a change in her friend. She asked Raina about it, and her friend said that she was pregnant but refused to tell Kathy the father's identity
01:14:16
but just said that he was married. He had gotten her a private doctor, she said,
01:14:22
and an apartment in New Jersey to be closer to him. She told Kathy that he said he was going to marry her
01:14:28
and leave his wife and three children once she had the baby. But Raina was worried he would never keep his promise.
01:14:36
And finally, when she's fucking nine months pregnant, he's like, I'm not going to marry you.
01:14:41
She calls Kathy one day and is like, I'm freaking out. I panicked and I called his wife and told her.
01:14:48
Oh, no. Yeah. And the next day, Raina calls Kathy in hysterics saying that this mysterious boyfriend had threatened to kill her.
01:14:58
He called himself to kill her. He's coming over. She said, come over right away.
01:15:01
When Kathy gets to Raina's apartment, no one answers the door. She goes in the door's ajar.
01:15:06
There's like food left on the stove warming as she had just been there. And her winter coat and boots had been left behind.
01:15:13
and Kathy waited for hours and hours and eventually just calls the police but of course they dismiss
01:15:19
her story and like Raina's just run off with her boyfriend get over it and she doesn't know who the
01:15:23
boyfriend is so she doesn't know who to call right Kathy never saw her friend again oh my god I know
01:15:30
that's so I don't know there's something very satisfying about the fact that that that Raina's
01:15:38
story ends like that dramatically and then picks up that yeah that years and years later where there
01:15:44
is it's that thing like there are people sitting there waiting totally to like hear something yeah
01:15:50
to be like part of you probably is like I don't want to know because I you know if they haven't
01:15:56
called me in 30 years it's not because they just moved on yes it's because something bad happened
01:16:02
right her friend would have contacted her right she was like that's so creepy and awful and it's
01:16:08
like you know they were both uh they were both el salvadorian so it's like of course the police
01:16:12
back then and maybe even now aren't going to take you seriously or care that much about your case
01:16:16
right it's really sad yes um so investigators believe that this dude elkins went to reina's
01:16:24
new jersey either went to her house and apartment and took her away or lured her to the factory
01:16:30
and killed her there um and then they think that he took her body to uh that he so he they probably
01:16:39
he probably took her body to his house where the barrel had been found along with the barrel
01:16:43
his intention was to dump it in the ocean where from his boat but when he filled the the drum
01:16:49
under the underneath and and sealed it up and shit it was too heavy for him to move to his
01:16:54
boats we just fucking left it there you know what's funny is that i was about to say it's
01:16:59
too heavy to put it and then i'm like because now it's coming like the forensic files that i've seen
01:17:04
on this is coming back to me right as you say each thing it was 375 pounds right but i want credit
01:17:11
for knowing things even where it's like you saw a tv episode on this it's not you don't know anything
01:17:17
no you remember the tv episode that's fucking you should get props for that girl listen our brains
01:17:22
are deteriorating it's for real i'm just like it was too heavy right yeah yes karen because you saw
01:17:28
on TV already. But it is like, what a fucking, it sounds like a Coen Brothers movie.
01:17:35
He was like, I'm filling it up. I'm going to bring it to the boat. It's too fucking heavy.
01:17:38
What do I do? I live for the next, you know, fucking 15 years. He lives with it under his fucking house
01:17:45
where his children live and where his wife is sleeping. Yes. So it's like, clearly you just have
01:17:51
no human emotion because you are able to do that. Not crack No one catches on But here what I want to know is I want to hear from his children who were like he changed after like like we remember a change in dad or his wife being like that when he started being weird There was a change We wanted to move out of that house And he wouldn
01:18:09
move. And we didn't understand why he wanted to stay in the house so bad. It's wait, are those
01:18:13
all theories? You're saying that's what I'm thinking. Like, they stayed in that house for
01:18:17
longer than anyone else. And maybe it's because he's like, I can't let anyone else move in here.
01:18:21
Right. So he knows the people, the next people are going to find it. He's probably just,
01:18:25
waiting for someone to fucking find this barrel. He moves to Florida. Here's my, and not to give ideas,
01:18:32
but you build this crawl space, right? Basically tied this, this unmovable, crazy, heavy,
01:18:39
badly planned barrel with a body in it. Why wouldn't you just throw up a fake wall?
01:18:46
I mean, why? Fill it in with concrete. Yes, do those things that like the mob does and stuff
01:18:51
so that it's just not overt. and it's something that gets discovered years and years later
01:18:56
as opposed to like, oh, I played hide-and-seek near this barrel. Or it's like, take the extra step, pay the extra $200
01:19:02
and have him throw up some paneling. I mean, it's either like a cockiness that he never thought he'd get caught
01:19:08
or wanting to get caught maybe. Yes, maybe. Or just shutting down that part of his brain
01:19:15
and just not dealing with it. I know, I'm not really even sure what I'm arguing.
01:19:22
I get it. just don't be a better criminal? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, if you're going to go all the way,
01:19:29
then why not go all the way? Just leaving things behind like that is so insane. It's almost like he wanted to get caught.
01:19:35
Yeah. But that's giving this fucking asshole too much credit. True. So, the apartment, etc.
01:19:42
On the afternoon of September 9th, 1999, just a week after the discovery of the body,
01:19:47
detectives knock on Howard Elkin's home in an F-scale retirement community in Boca Raton, Florida.
01:19:53
And they're like, what's up, dude? Here's a photo of this. Here's a photo of that.
01:19:58
This is who this is. What the fucking fuck? And he denied he'd ever seen the barrel.
01:20:03
When they asked him about his relationship with the victim, he's like, yeah, I did have an affair back then.
01:20:08
But my wife and I were having issues, but I don't remember her name and I don't remember what she looks like, blah, blah, blah.
01:20:14
And they're like, bullshit. Bullshit. I know. You remember people. Yeah. Even if you hated the person, you remember if you have an affair with them.
01:20:22
Totally. You remember what they look like. Yeah. They press him further and asking if he ever put her up somewhere.
01:20:29
He knew she was pregnant, but he claimed he hadn't. But then they're like, can we get a fucking DNA swab of your cheek?
01:20:36
We brought it all with us. And he's like, nope, I want a lawyer. Get the fuck out of my house.
01:20:42
But before leaving this fucking badass 100 forever detective. The first hundred year detective in New York, in New York state, the cryptkeeper detective,
01:20:55
Robert Edwards. He's like, I'm a fucking redwood tree. You can't escape my justice.
01:21:00
Count my rings, motherfucker. That's his, uh, he's like saying, he pulls the gun on someone, count my rings.
01:21:06
Count my rings. And they're like, sorry, what? This doesn't make any sense. Um, and there he's like, no, I don't, you can't take a sample.
01:21:14
But he, before leaving, he's like, he turns to him, looks him straight in the fucking
01:21:17
face and goes i'm going to come back here tomorrow with a warrant for your dna we're going to check
01:21:23
it against that uh dead baby he says yeah and we're going to prove that you're the father of
01:21:28
that baby and that you killed reina yes and he he says that uh this guy uh he doesn't fucking
01:21:36
howard elkins doesn't react of course not at all of course not he's cold as he's a cold-hearted
01:21:42
snake look into his eyes. That's right. He's been telling lies. Oh, okay. The next day,
01:21:48
they're still in Florida. The detectives, they're processing their paperwork. They get a call from
01:21:52
the Nassau County back home, homicide squad. And they're like, what's going on with Elkins? We just
01:21:58
got a call from the police department in Florida saying that his wife is filing a missing persons
01:22:03
report on her husband. What? Howard Elkins. Oh, she doesn't know where he is. He ran. By the time
01:22:10
long island cops arrive at the palm beach county sheriff's office elkins had been found earlier in
01:22:16
the day and this is so fucked up so he's 70 years old at this point okay uh he walked into a walmart
01:22:24
purchased a 12-gauge shotgun and a box of shells and because there's no such thing as fucking
01:22:30
background checks or fucking waiting period he walks the fuck out with both those things
01:22:35
he got in the backseat of a neighbor's suv which is such a dick very rude and fired one shot into
01:22:43
his fucking skull whoa his son discovered his body with a gun between his legs awful and uh
01:22:50
the florida neighbors are of course shocked that the big bearded jovial man could have been involved
01:22:55
in this crime post-mortem dna testing confirms that he was the father of reina's unborn child
01:23:01
Wow. They also found, with all this paperwork, a little piece of paper tucked into the address book,
01:23:09
her address book, that they were able to, like, fucking, it's so crazy and creepy.
01:23:13
They were able to spectrometer? They spectromedated this thing, the UV situation.
01:23:21
So another thing they're able to find as a little postscript in that piece of paper is a piece of paper that,
01:23:26
when they figure it out, when they postscript it, says don't be mad i told the truth so she probably told called the wife told the wife
01:23:37
what was going on he found out she left him a note somewhere maybe at work maybe in his car
01:23:43
what no maybe oh wait she didn't leave it anywhere she had it still yeah so she was
01:23:47
gonna leave it for him she was going to leave it for him don't be mad i told the truth
01:23:51
that poor thing. Like she did. She told the truth That right So a month after the case is finally closed they figure everything out Writer and journalist Oscar Corral he determined to find the family that must be fucking looking for her
01:24:09
or must have wondered what happened to their sister, their daughter, their cousin back in El Salvador
01:24:15
over 30 fucking years before when they stopped hearing from her. right so he goes to fucking el salvador and has to like it takes him days and days searching
01:24:26
to finally find reina's family and after a couple days he locates reina's 95 year old mother
01:24:32
celia oh no you ready to cry yep oscar goes and shows the woman a 30 year old photo of reina
01:24:41
and the mother celia starts to weep and falls to the fucking ground her sister told him that reina
01:24:48
had left El Salvador in August 1966. She wanted a new start after a failed marriage. Quote,
01:24:54
she'd tell my mom, I'm going to be somebody. I'm going to be somebody someday. And for three years,
01:25:00
Raina Maraquin wrote her family regularly. She called and then with no explanation in 1969,
01:25:08
the letters and calls suddenly stopped and they'd been heartbroken ever since. Yeah. Her family had
01:25:13
put up announcements in the paper in El Salvador, trying to track her down. But over the years,
01:25:19
the family had accepted that they might never, ever know what happened to Raina. I know. Her
01:25:24
brother had been having reoccurring nightmares about her daughter being trapped inside a barrel.
01:25:29
No. Her mother, Raina, was flown back to her hometown of San Martin. And her mother said,
01:25:40
now I know she's with me. She came flying like a dove back to her home. And Celia died a month
01:25:47
later and was buried next to her daughter. Oh, God, you're trying to kill me fucking held out
01:25:54
until she found out what happened. She got her baby back. Yeah. And that is the fucking murder
01:26:00
of Raina Maraquin. Wow. Amazing. How fucked up is that? So what a beautiful thing for that was a
01:26:08
reporter yeah he's really incredible he's in a lot of the videos that um i think he's a writer
01:26:12
now i'm pretty sure he wrote a book about the case but he did yeah and i he's in a lot of these uh
01:26:17
the videos that you see of like you know forensic files and shit all the stories about him and he
01:26:22
just has this like empathy right you can tell yeah he cared about he was emotionally attached
01:26:28
to this case yeah yeah yeah which i think is what happens i mean how could you especially that
01:26:33
everything about that story is amazing. Yeah, it's like first you want to put a name to this poor girl
01:26:39
who nobody had missed for 30 years, who was pregnant with a baby, and then she found out she's pregnant,
01:26:45
and then it's so many fucking layers. I think there's something, too, about that.
01:26:50
There's a weird, that apathy and that inhumanity of just like, this isn't convenient.
01:26:57
This is a thing I chose to do. it there's something that came of it that's not convenient for my real life so i'm going to
01:27:06
remove this and and therefore everything's fine because there's part when you were like
01:27:11
oh the joe how i can't believe the jovial neighbor where i had a moment of oh that's so sad for him
01:27:17
and it's like no no no you don't get to go through life and just like remove inconvenient mistakes
01:27:23
that you made choices that you made you that led to obvious fucking places yes and you and basically
01:27:29
that you you did something inconsiderate you did something selfish and then that thing kicked back
01:27:36
on you which they always do well that's the thing about why the note is so tragic of don't
01:27:41
she didn't do it like you know i don't be mad i told the truth yes and then he you know in a lot
01:27:48
of ways lied and one of those lies is murdering the problem yes you know and also he told her
01:27:55
he basically made a promise to her of like okay like i love you i love you i want to have this
01:28:01
baby i'm gonna leave my wife i'm gonna leave my wife so he's fucking everybody over yeah everybody
01:28:07
his children everything and then this assumption you make is like oh there's a body there's a body
01:28:12
in a barrel therefore that in of itself means that that person doesn't matter because they've
01:28:18
just been sitting there where it's like no unpack it all investigate it all and find out how much
01:28:23
this person actually means yeah i mean that's there's it's so good yeah and then it sucks because
01:28:29
like it's it was so sad too that you know this fucking he killed himself so there was no bringing
01:28:34
him to justice right so at least you know this journalist probably part of it was that he wanted
01:28:40
to go find her family there has to be someone who's missing her who has missed her and he does
01:28:44
it and it's like incredible he does it it's like yeah that's such an amazing story great job thank
01:28:50
you so good wow fucked up so fucked up i mean they all are it's like i think that's that's what so
01:28:58
much of this people like true crime just like justice and they like to hear these stories of
01:29:03
like it's basically the stories of everybody matters yeah everybody matters no matter what
01:29:08
the actual official quote-unquote story is totally and they matter to cops they matter
01:29:13
these detectives yeah that dedicate their lives these reporters dedicate their lives right there's
01:29:19
all these scientists the community you know the woman with her beautiful radial spectrometer who's
01:29:24
just like piecing together this is important yes this matters so much yeah it's it's really lovely
01:29:30
actually it is it is in its horror it is that's part of like i think being into true crime is like
01:29:35
when things get solved, you're, you know, you're there for it. You want to like, you don't just want to know about these horrible things that happen.
01:29:43
You want to know how there are good people out there, you know, trying their best to
01:29:48
at least put a period on a horrible sentence that somehow positive or you know human humane Yes And I think that what being like everyone thinks we just like into serial killers or like into murder But it like no we into these insane human fucking stories
01:30:06
of crazy adversity that happens all the fucking time to people all around us. It's, it's an
01:30:13
incredible story. I want to know the story, not just, you know, the bad parts. Not just, yeah,
01:30:18
not just the gruesome details, but like the the human stories and who gets pulled into those
01:30:23
stories. And, you know, there's people whose jobs that are what there's people whose jobs it is to
01:30:31
just you catch the case. And so then that's your this is your case. This is your thing. And like,
01:30:37
the idea that, you know, the Redwood Tree detective goes down and just like, guess what,
01:30:43
friend? It's over. Yeah. And I don't care that it's 3070, whatever years. I don't care that you're
01:30:48
old you the buck stops here with you time to fucking time to face your fucking lies yep and
01:30:56
you don't get to just lie your way through life you don't get to be the jovial fucking neighbor
01:30:59
because you know reina never had a chance to be a mother to her unborn child no no so it's not how
01:31:08
that fucking works it's not how it works there is justice sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes
01:31:13
Sometimes. Hopefully. Wow. Fucking hooray. Fucking hooray. I mean, I could do mine easily because I will say this.
01:31:22
I complain and, you know, whatever. I use it as an excuse. So I have this job. And so it makes this job harder, whatever.
01:31:30
But this season, writing on this season of BASIC is going to end, I think it's this week or next week.
01:31:38
I'm still not sure. Which is going on forever. Pretty soon. It's never going to end.
01:31:42
But it's such an amazing, the group of people that work on the show are so amazing.
01:31:49
It's been such a fun year. It's been such a joy. Everything about it has been the best experience.
01:31:57
So it really has been worth it in so many ways. And also it's been killing me slowly and just basically kind of peeling away my mental stability.
01:32:09
but um i do adore it so much and it's i'm so grateful yeah yeah that to be even involved in
01:32:17
it is such an honor so i will say this week's fucking hooray is the fact that i get to be a
01:32:21
writer on baskets it's very cool to me amazing yeah i'm so happy for you thank you um mine is
01:32:28
okay my fucking hooray okay so there's this gal i follow on instagram called named jen gotch
01:32:36
G-O-T-C-H. She has a podcast called Jen is OK. Jen Gotch is OK sometimes. And she talks a lot about her own mental health struggles as well.
01:32:46
She put out those really cute script necklaces that say anxiety and depression that sold out immediately so I can get one.
01:32:51
But she posted a photo like this week of her hand with, you know, her her new med, her new like what's it called?
01:33:03
Pill. Her new pill for her anxiety. Right. And talked about it. And I was like, that's really cool. So I posted, you know, gave her credit and posted one, two of my the pills I take to make me not fucking stay in bed all day depressed and anxious. And then a bunch of fucking people have started doing it with the hashtag that was created. Someone made it up called my favorite meds. And so now there's like 200 plus photos and posts that people are putting up on their Instagram of what pharmaceutical they fucking take so that they can function in life, which I know is a really weird topic.
01:33:35
for a lot of people to talk about. So the fact that there's all these people doing it
01:33:38
is really incredible. So I go to my favorite meds hashtag. And if you feel so inclined, post what you're taking.
01:33:47
And I know it's like a secret for a lot of people that they're on fucking Prozac
01:33:51
or they need a Xanax every now and then. But I feel like people posting it and making it public
01:33:56
says to everyone else on their feed that they know in real life or on the internet or whatever,
01:34:02
or it went to high school with, Like this isn't, this shouldn't, there doesn't need to be a stigma behind this.
01:34:08
Right. And it's okay. It's very common. Yeah. And we all, we all need help sometimes.
01:34:12
Yes, for sure. I think it's helping in a little way to end the stigma of taking, taking fucking pharmaceuticals
01:34:19
for everyone's depression and everyone's shit. And Jen Gotch did it first. Yeah.
01:34:23
She's like, she's groundbreaking. That's right. I definitely gave her credit. Yeah.
01:34:27
Yeah. I'm, she's really cool. I'm a big fan of hers. That's great. Yeah. That's really awesome.
01:34:31
Yeah. That's that. You know what that makes me think of is Chrissy Teigen did the same thing as her new baby needs to wear a helmet to shape his skull.
01:34:39
I saw that. I fucking love her. What did she say? It was so cute. Don't worry. He's fine.
01:34:45
Yes, exactly. It's just like, it's just to shape his skull. It's going to make him even cuter.
01:34:49
And then it was just like, and then it's all these people being like, yep, look how cute my baby looks with this on.
01:34:56
There's something very cool happening with it. There's obviously social media brings a lot of horror.
01:35:01
It can't harm. It can influence us in ways and make us think very strange things about ourselves.
01:35:08
It also has that power, a very healing power and a unifying power. That's right.
01:35:13
And I think there's a big move of like an anti-shaming thing going on right now where it's like body positivity.
01:35:20
And like, you know, I see these incredible gals who don't have the fucking typical bodies posting these incredible bikini photos of themselves that you're like, this needs to be normal.
01:35:31
and the more you post them, the more you feel normal about yourself, whether it's because you need meds or because you don't have a fucking,
01:35:38
you don't weigh 105 pounds because. Which is not normal at all. Right, it's not normal because your kidney's a helmet.
01:35:44
And those people, like the people that look like that and the presentation of it is like, it's because I eat, I'm vegan and I'm this, I'm that.
01:35:50
It's like, if those people were actually honest about how they stay that skinny,
01:35:53
it would be a very different story. And that happens sometimes when people like all those women who are so emaciated
01:36:00
90s, Courtney Thorne Smith came out with like that whole story of she was like, we on Ally McBeal,
01:36:05
we all worked out four hours a day. They were never not working out. They were never not
01:36:10
starving themselves. It's like, there's, that's the story you never hear on that side of like,
01:36:16
just a really, I'm just this really healthy actress that loves spinning. I love a burger.
01:36:20
I definitely have all the time. There's people who are like blessed with that. But it's not that
01:36:25
common yeah as an ex anorexic i can say that it's not you make you say this and you say that but it's
01:36:32
not fucking true you just are not eating and you're not enjoying life and you're hurting yourself yeah
01:36:38
i know it's uh you know what the whole movement is a very cool thing of just like being yourself
01:36:46
is good right now like right now and just give give yourself a break whatever direction you are
01:36:52
Yeah. And however, whatever area you're in, give yourself a break. Yeah. So good. That's a good message.
01:36:59
Yeah And you not alone There other people either going through it that have gone through it It not reach out and be vulnerable And you might get that back from someone else you will get that back from someone else yeah out there it might not be everyone some people might reject it
01:37:15
but don't look for it from everyone right but the people you do find that from you're going to make
01:37:19
connections with them that are life long life changing life affirming like for example you and
01:37:27
hi yeah it's perfect we did it we did it we're working on it yeah life's a struggle but it's
01:37:34
real fun you know what it is it's just like the goal should be that you are comfortable and happy
01:37:40
yeah instead of perfect because perfect doesn't exist it's just this it's perfect is boring it's
01:37:47
just it does it's not real though it's not real because the people we think are perfect are
01:37:51
suffering in some way or something else is happening or you wouldn't want you really
01:37:56
wouldn't want their lie right it's just that's a weird oasis lie that like keeps you on that hook
01:38:02
where it's like no no no no no no come on everybody i'm saying this absolutely to myself
01:38:08
come on what about right now is fine thanks for listening you guys we as always appreciate you and and are so happy to be part of this community We so happy to be allowed to barf all this dumb shit at you Truly
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