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Hi everyone, Stephen here, dropping in to say hi while we're on our holiday break, hoping you had an amazing holiday.
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Today's very special episode is a look back at the origins of some of your favorite moments from the early days of My Favorite Murder.
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Thank you, enjoy, and we'll be back with brand new episodes in 2019. My favorite murder
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Hi guys! Karen! It's really happening! It's really happening! Georgia! Hey! Hard start!
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Karen Kilgara! Just go to sleep! Let's get comfy! Let's just relax into what we're about to do.
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That's what we're about. Big facts and truths. So stop listening now if you can't handle the truth and facts.
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or spoilers like the guy killed his wife on the stairs like a dude like it's not a mystery i don't
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think i don't think a spoiler is ever the guy killed his wife because that's like yeah the guy
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killed his wife yeah yeah it's like a spoiler is that an owl did it that's exactly right good point
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so we're gonna so this is are we we're calling this my favorite murder you're gonna say are we
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recording so do you want to start wait is this what we're should we start uh my favorite murder
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and it's going to be real fucked up and we might be inviting a murderer into our lives by doing this.
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I mean, but here's the thing, and this is why I'm so fascinated by this topic in general.
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We might already know a murderer. Oh my God. Like, probably. Probably. And in that way where they're just in a very cat-like, removed, Dexter way,
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just observing all this with a kind of, oh, they think they're smart. Isn't that cute?
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Yeah. Isn't that cute and quaint? That's like the moment in Silence of the Lambs where she's like,
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May I use your phone, please? Right. Where you try to act calm, but there's no way to be calm.
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Such a good. Oh, you know, I read an article recently that was just an interview from the two.
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Mr. I don't want to hurt your dog. And she puts the lotion on. I read an article that was just interviewing the two of them and what their experiences were like.
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And it was amazing. Were they together? No. It was like quotes from both of them.
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That's so funny. That's a fun. I've never heard that story before. Every time I see Mr. I got your dog.
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Every time I see her in anything else, I'm so proud. Did you know she was in Grey's Anatomy?
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Yeah. I did not realize it was her telling her about that article. I know. I was so happy for her.
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She's doing great. I know. She's fine. Life after the pit. Residual money. Okay.
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Here's mine. I'm going to read this one from someone on her Facebook group, Lori Baker Martin.
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Darling girl, she says, here's a murder that happened in my hometown of Coffeyville, Kansas
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on December 11th, 1999. a man named john dalton a social worker married a woman with two kids her name was holly stack
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no one knows exactly what sent john dalton off the deep end of these things his former landlady
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said he was kind attentive charming but he hid behind a door in their house on that day and waited
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for his two stepchildren to come home from school and then beat them to death with an aluminum
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baseball bat i know then he hid out and waited for holly to come home from work he did the same to
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her he stayed in the house with those three horribly mutilated bodies for three days he even
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ate meals in the kitchen with them so clearly he fucking went something went it's not like he just
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wanted to kill them like something went something snapped yeah um in the end the end of it the story
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is both unsatisfactory and fulfilling john dalton was arrested and charged with the murders but he
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never stood trial while he was waiting for trial he developed throat cancer and succumbed to it
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behind bars two years later. On a more satisfying note, Coffeyville has located a safe house for,
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oh, Coffeyville has started a safe house for women on that site, at that site. Oh, that's cool.
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It's called Holly's House. Incidentally, while I don't think John Dalton was a relative of Coffeyville's famous Dalton gang members,
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the shootout between that gang and townspeople in 1892 resulted in the deaths of four gang members,
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four townspeople, and the sheriff. It's Coffeyville's claim to fame. Wow, Coffeyville.
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Who would have thunk Coffeyville? kansas i do love those midwestern stories though sure there's something extra like you know it's
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all quiet and crickets at night and everything and then just yeah someone waiting behind a door
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well are you watching the new steven king hulu fucking no dude is it so good dude it so good what it called 11 what the date that 11 23 63 oh i didn realize that was stephen king that the day kennedy was killed and the whole thing is like a
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going back and it's like a back to the future thing oh it's fuck it's good it might get i it's
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good it's really good it's fun i gotta see it if you're into like you know this he goes back in
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time and tries to stop president kennedy from being killed oh my god just like your dream like
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my dream for his brother right because i don't think anything could have been done at that point
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but but it's good and like other little things along the way there's like other storylines
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it's really it's fun awesome everyone should watch it it's on hulu i love it yeah uh wow that was fun
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yeah action-packed a lot of bats a lot of baseball bats unfortunately that's a lot of terrible
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children. Don't keep a baseball bat in your house, people. But keep those murder stories coming.
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Please. We do love them and we are reading them. Oh my god, we are. And it's just kind of exciting.
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Yeah, we love it. You guys, thanks for listening. Follow us on all the places we talked
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about earlier. And rate us on iTunes. Rate, review, and subscribe. Please do that because
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that gets us so many more viewers and listeners the higher up we get and we want everyone
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to listen to this because we want everyone to be fucked up in the head. Yay! We need to
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Share, you know, what's sharing is caring. It definitely is. I'm talking about it.
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And, you know, stay sexy. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered. Bye. Bye. Do you want to read a hometown murder or are you done?
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Should we save it for next week? Maybe we're emotionally. I'm wrung out. We're emotionally exhausted.
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I love it. This murder podcast has murdered us. It's really going to get us to a new place.
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Yeah. I totally forgot about that thing that happened to me until just now I swear to god
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this is bringing up shit and we're probably going to need to talk to therapists about it
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is there something positive we can talk about did you ever I just snorted like snot in my nose like a fucking third grader
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no I love it you're sick it's okay no they can go on to other podcasts for positive shit
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there's like all kinds Elvis do you want a cookie want a cookie okay that's there that's a positive
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that's okay Elvis cookie okay um god did you ever think we'd get when we were recording
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the first one that we would record nine more I never thought we'd get this far I mean it is
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special it's a special thing it was a thing that we talked about a couple times and then we actually did
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we just did it without ever talking about it again We're just like, let's fucking do it.
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Which I think is like, that's how you do things. I think so. Don't overthink it.
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No. Don't be afraid to fail. Don't over plan. Don't plan. Floss. And floss and wear SPF.
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30 or higher. 30 or... You heard the song. You know what you're supposed to wear.
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I mean, listen. Look. Look and listen. Look and listen. Wear your mother. Watch out.
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Wear your coat. Listen to your mothers. Karen and Georgia. Listen to your mother.
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Listen to your mother. I'm Georgia. I'm Karen. And this is My Favorite Murder. Welcome to My Favorite Murder.
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What is it about the Pacific Northwest? I mean, seriously, this is like, I always think of Twin Peaks, where it's like haunted
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forests, bad spirits emanating from an ancient site, and then going into downtown Seattle
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and just fucking up lives. There's so much land in which to bury and hide people.
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there's there's there's depression because the weather is so fucking yeah dark right like yes
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everyone everyone there has seasonal defective affective disorder all year round
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across the board depression it's called depression everyone's got it and it makes them serial kill
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no it's heavy it's uh i i have to say the couple times i've been to seattle i've had a lovely time
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and it's been in the summer. It's so beautiful. I can't stand it. But it's always,
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it's like LA people go there in the summer and then they're like, what are they saying about Seattle?
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Everyone's wrong. And then you leave. I have a message for everyone in other parts of the country.
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Okay. Move to Los Angeles. It's sunny. Literally, it's what you make fun of. It's constantly sunny.
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There's no seasons, which I know you're like, I love seasons, but you love it until mid-February.
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Yeah. And it's kind of dirty. Yeah. But in a way that makes you feel like you're going to be okay.
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And would you rather get dismembered or just like get a random bullet on the freeway in your head?
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I mean. Pick one. Karen, pick one. Right now? Yeah. Yeah, random bullet. Random bullet.
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Yeah. Although once you're dead, the dismemberment doesn't affect you. But it affects your family.
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No, that's very true. Also, stuffing someone into a garbage can of any kind is such an aggressive act of, there's so much hatred in that act.
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And it's vile. It's amateur hour, too. Because, like, what do you, of course they're going to find this.
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They're going to find that. Which, maybe he wanted that to happen. So he got caught.
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I think they immediately, like, just went on her computer. I think, so what I think happened is it wasn't premeditated.
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Oh. You know what I mean? He snapped? because if he if someone has that much information about you on their computer and like
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match that you were going out with that person that night and you went missing from there
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yeah something went wrong clearly it's going to come straight back to you clearly you have an
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anger issue and you snapped oh here's the thing fuck everyone right that's we should have said
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that right at the beginning this podcast should be called here the thing fuck everyone here the thing everyone fuck everyone except for you guys except thanks for listening it just is so like
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it's the classic don't go to a second location with someone named jim jones you know or a hippie
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the 30 rock Joe right exactly or the sign tall i was just reading today about how the um david
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miscovige's wife shelly miscovige is like missing as fuck yep for years for years and they finally
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put out a police report for her missing persons but there's some like compound where they keep
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like high ups and like just torture them constantly in florida yeah i think so so she's probably there
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so don't go don't say you'll go somewhere else with someone no don't go anywhere don't go
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don't leave your house stay in your apartment um you know that makes me think they've got to
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rescind the religious uh tax status for scientology it's been proven that it's not an actual religion
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that it's basically a humongous pyramid scheme. I apologize if it's your religion and you're offended right now.
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I don't want you to be mad at me, but you're in a cult. Call your dad or someone that can help you.
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Your parents actually love you even if they're disappointed in you. A negator? What's it called in Scientology?
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You're a negative something. Yeah, you've got body thetans and you're a... Ah, shit, there's a specific word.
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Trophy? No, that was last week. Yeah. Well, if you've got a hometown story, we want to know about it.
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We do. We're going to do a mini-send. We keep saying that, but we really are going to.
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So please send us yours so we can talk about it. It's My Favorite Murder at Gmail.
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That's right. And look out for the t-shirts. They're coming soon. And rate, review, and subscribe, please, on iTunes for those ratings.
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We're on that comedy chart, man. Yeah. It makes me feel good inside. Someone said they saw us in the top ten.
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No way. That's what someone said to me. That's cool. But I didn't look it up because I was like, oh, my God.
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And also then, whatever. I'm going to hold that as fact. You know what? I think we're number one.
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Thank you guys for listening. Yeah. And thank you for your support. You're great listeners.
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Yeah. So much fun. This is our tagline now, right? Are you okay with this? Yeah.
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Okay. So you do your part and I'll do my part. All right. You guys stay sexy. Don't get murdered.
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Elvis, do you want a cookie? A cookie? Bye. Bye. They could have saved her and then she could have died.
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But here's who did save her. Who? She walks a little further. A couple who was on their honeymoon.
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Oh, no, no, no. Who took the wrong exit and is driving around trying to get back to the I-5.
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Oh, which is close enough so that Mary heard the noise of the I-5 all day and was like, I just have to get back up because there will be someone if I walk toward that sound.
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So that's how she guided herself back toward civilization. These people grab her, put her in the back of the truck and say, we're going to get you help.
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And she said she heard them speeding so fast. You could hear the tires screeching.
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they get to a phone can i say real quick what half the people listening that the murderinos yeah dream honeymoon exactly exactly like what else are you gonna do if i can
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play canasta well because imagine you you're like oh i've married i love him so much yeah he's the
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man for me now if the man for you was one of those guys in that convertible right who was like
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we have to get out of here you'd be like you get out of my life forever i bet they're still together
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100 yeah they get her they get to that pay phone they call and they airlift her to the hospital
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it wasn't even an ambulance situation they were like straight in so oh honey the relief she must
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have felt oh my god be in to be saved so she sorry i'm on the next page already um because
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By the way, I don't want everyone to know you're like fucking telling this. You're not even looking at your notes.
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Because I remember this happening when I was little. Holy shit. And I remember my mother being so livid.
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And she would talk about Lawrence Singleton, this disgusting piece of shit. She would talk about him all the time.
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Well, because I'll get into it. I have to go faster. Were all these details on the news?
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No. But it was a man who raped a girl, chopped her arms off, and threw her into a ditch.
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That's enough. That was plenty. Yeah. Because you can't... That's when it was like, oh my God, that could happen.
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Totally. That's real. Even the word rape. You don't even talk about... Couples in fucking sitcoms didn't sleep in the same bed.
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Right, exactly. Well, I'm not from the 50s, Georgia. Oh my God. I mean that the Brady Bunch was the...
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Oh my God. So she lost over half the blood in her body. Wow. But from her hospital bed, she described a picture of him so accurately to the police sketch artist that Lawrence Singleton's next door neighbor saw it and immediately called the police.
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Even though she was friends with him and like knew him for years, she was like, that's Lawrence Singleton.
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That's my next door neighbor. She's one of us. So, yes, exactly. So, and I do have to say this, in the article that I found that a piece of information from, for some reason in the line, it said, housewife and bowling expert.
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Wow. I want her life. They really described her to a T. I really, I want that life.
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That's a pretty good life. So they arrest Lawrence Singleton nine days later I like to call him Larry Larry And when he was questioned Singleton told the police that Mary was a whore that he was passed out drunk in his van and that his other friend Larry is the one that attacked her
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And that there were two other hookers in the van at the time. What a fucking monster.
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Lunatic. Lunatic. So, she testifies against him in court. Get a girl. with her two prosthetic limbs on.
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She'd already been fitted for them. She was still a teenager. I mean, that is a hard thing to do on its own.
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Now listen to this. As she walks out after testifying against him, he whispers to her,
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if it's the last thing I do, I'll finish the job. Oh, I was hoping she'd say, motherfucker, or like something at him.
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No. Oh, that poor girl. She ran out. So in March of 1979, A San Diego jury convicts him of kidnapping, mayhem, attempted murder, forcible rape, sodomy, and forced oral copulation, and gives him the maximum sentence at the time.
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Can I guess? No. Go ahead. Sorry, I'm just keep interrupting. No, no, no. Seven years?
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14 years. For all of that, for all of those crimes combined, the maximum legal sentence was 14 years.
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That's like almost how old she was. Yes, that's exactly right. So the judge who had to pass that sentence said, if I had the power, I would send him to prison for the rest of his natural life.
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I have a present for you and for me from a listener. Is this our first listener like viewer mail?
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Yeah, I have a listener mail. Don't worry. I have a P.O. box. So if anyone wants to send us shit, you can message me.
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And if you're not insane and have OK grammar, I'll give you our P.O. box number.
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So Caroline Abernathy sent us a present. Caroline? To my P.O. box. She's a sweet baby angel.
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Have you already opened it? I fucking have. And I know she already. She was like, I'm sending you this thing.
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And I'm like, great. Oh, awesome. I'll tell Karen. So the first thing I thought of, it's full of live moms.
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I haven't opened it. Something creepy. Kaboom. And that's how they died. So she sells this in her Etsy shop.
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It's called, her Etsy shop is Anime Gravy with a capital A. I don't know if that's necessary.
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Like you have to put that in or whatever. Are you ready for this present? Okay, I'm going to throw my mic down real quick.
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Okay. She's unscrolling a small post. It's the Stay Sexy Don't Get Murdered with Elvis and the Owl poster.
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We each have our own. Oh my god. This is gorgeous. I know. So for new listeners, I mean, get with the program.
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First of all, let us reprimand you for being real. This is amazing. Stay sexy, don't get murdered is our catchphrase.
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My catchphrase is, what are you talking about, Willis? That's right. I forgot. I forgot. And then Elvis, my cat, is holding a cookie. It looks just like him.
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It looks exactly like him. And the owl, of course, is the owl theory from the staircase.
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Which is very funny. A lot of people have pointed out on the Facebook page, we've never really talked about that on the podcast.
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It's like something you and I have personally talked about and just referenced. Right. We've mentioned it being a theory, but we haven't discussed if we believe it or not.
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I think it's like we've discussed how we've discussed it, essentially. So there's a lot of people who are like, wait, when did they talk about this?
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It's disgusting. Yeah, it is disgusting. This is amazing. And it's like, look, it's the color of my walls, too.
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It's like this mint green that I'm obsessed with. Beautiful. It's so cute. This is the best.
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So you guys can go to Anime Gravy and you can buy it. I want to tell everyone it's just $10, but I feel like she should up the price right now.
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This is worth more than $10. It's only $25. Caroline Abernathy? Yeah. that's really cool
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thank you so much should I read I haven't read the note actually oh let's see should I read the note
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yes dear Karen and Georgia I'm so happy that you like my drawing thanks for always
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making me laugh then feel bummed as fuck about all the murders then smile again by asking Elvis
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if he wants a cookie I've introduced multiple friends to your podcast it's the perfect
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friend filter to see who's cool enough to hang out with murderinos yay you two rock so fucking hard
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stay sexy don't get murdered Caroline thank you oh my god that's I love it so much
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That's really exciting. I'm going to get it framed. I love it. Let's, let's, hey, Stephen, will you look that up for us since you're here?
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Oh, you guys, this month, this week, we have a sound recording engineer. Right. Remember how we had technical difficulties last week, Stephen?
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I'm helping us, the sound not get murdered. Thank you. Stephen Ray Morris, who you know and love, is helping us because tech diffs last week.
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We're trying to get up. We're just trying to be professional. Well, you know how we strive and aspire to be better every week.
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I've never felt worse about, like a bit more bummed about not having a belch ready when you said that.
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I'm like, you know me, I'm fucking belch. Get one ready and then drop it in as a surprise at some point during the podcast.
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And it will. Okay, great. So, okay. So, let's get to the survivor. All right? Yes.
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Fucking badass bitch. Her name was Maria Virachiva. Virachiva. She was 19 and 3 months pregnant, which already you're like, come on.
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Like, let me get through this. Yeah. You know, pregnant. And her, the man she was, her boyfriend was a friend of this killer.
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Oh. Just like date someone else. Find better friends. She met him. She ran into him at work.
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She and her boyfriend had just gotten into a huge fight. And so she was pissed off, like, hanging out near the metro station.
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And he saw her and was like, and he had been hunting for a victim. And this is in February of 2002.
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I should have started with that. So he said that most of his male victims, he was able to get them away with alcohol was the thing that they, the reason they would go with him.
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But for women, he said, quote, women always need to have a financial interest. Fuck you.
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You don't know me. Man, I like vodka. I know. I don't need your fucking money. I like dead pets, graves.
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Yeah. Stupid. I'll cheers over that. Dick. So he says to her that he has several boxes of brand new contraband cameras.
00:24:51
Oh, yeah. No, sorry. Women always love cameras. that's really true if there's some kind of deal going like a sales deal where they're like oh i
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have this thing i'm gonna cut you in on it just say no even if it's true you're still probably
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gonna get arrested there's you have to pay for things that you want in this life when you try
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to sidestep that fact you're you're you mess with the wrong people you end up in the forest
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at a dog's grave what have you and then with a vodka bottle in your head free money isn't
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free. Like, just go without. Just get a job. Buy your own shit. Stay out of the forest.
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It's never going to be chill. That's going to be the quote. Get a job. What was it? Get a job.
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Anytime we list anything in threes, we want you to put it on a poster. There was another one.
00:25:42
Shit, Karen is full of quotes tonight. I'm full of beans. Sawny beans. Oh, my God. Okay.
00:25:50
We've got to get through this. I also want to say really quickly that in therapy, one of the things I talked about was that how crazy I am and how much anxiety I have.
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Because when I go to the back of my building to do laundry, I lock my front door.
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And how crazy is that that I think someone's going to break in? And then I read an article.
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There's a fucking Echo Park rapist. And one of the ways he got into her house was when she was doing fucking laundry in the back of her apartment.
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And she left her door unlocked and went in. There is, it's not anxiety when you're just being careful.
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I texted my therapist. And now she doesn't want to see me anymore? And now she said, find someone else?
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No, because she was like, you know, we're allowed to take certain precautions and that's okay.
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And you can do that. But when you start, you know, blah, blah, blah. So she supported it.
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And I was like, I feel so justified. Yeah, you are justified. You know, so it supported, I bet Nikki.
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She'd be like, come on. Nikki would be like, yeah, that was an obvious answer. The crime community says you're doing the right thing.
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Thank you, crime community, for supporting me. Uh, well, also that's good. I mean, Jesus Christ.
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Good to know, right? Yes. Hey, there's no shame in locking things. Double. I lock.
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People will walk by in the crosswalk and they're part of my brain goes, they might be able to hear it if you lock the door or whatever.
00:27:05
And it's like, I don't give a shit. It doesn't matter. Much louder voice that says, sorry to offend you, but you don't get to in case you had the idea.
00:27:12
Right. Maybe you're on some white drugs. So like when you're sitting at a stop sign and someone goes to walk by and you go click to lock your car door.
00:27:20
Yeah. Yeah. And you're like, well, they're going to get mad at me. Fuck you. Well, because you look creepy.
00:27:24
That's a good way to let someone know they look creepy. Yeah. I get the idea because you're giving me the eye.
00:27:28
Yeah. So, yeah. Don't. We've said this a million times. Fuck politeness. Fuck politeness.
00:27:34
Yeah. There should be new listeners who don't yet know to fuck politeness. Oh, yeah.
00:27:39
Fuck politeness. And. Oh, you'll you'll learn. There's a ton of stuff. There's so many things.
00:27:46
You'll have a lot of experiences in your life that'll make you question. How about if you're going between the laundry room and your house, lock your goddamn door.
00:27:55
Lock your fucking door. If you live in a major city or not at your parents' house, lock your door.
00:28:00
It feels really good because literally that was a worry every single time I walk out back.
00:28:05
I come in the door and I check for the cats because if the cats were still out where they were, that meant no one was in there.
00:28:12
But if they were hiding, that would mean someone came in the house. Right. That's crazy.
00:28:17
No, that's a good theory. That's a theory based on observation. Yeah. Cool. Yeah.
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Tween Sensation is her handle. Okay. Trash Panda IRL is her, I don't know, account name.
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I don't know. Trash Panda. And on her Twitter account, sorry, but I just noticed this,
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That's incredible. It's an illustration of Barb from Stranger Things. That's the best.
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Hell yeah, Trash Panda. The best. Way to bring it all around. So she tweeted at us and said, my dad keeps calling your show the fuck word murder mystery show because he can't remember the name.
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And I cannot stop laughing at that. Say it again. My dad keeps calling your show the fuck word murder mystery show because he can't remember the name.
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I love him. He sounds like my dad. And I think we might need to change the name of this podcast to the Fuck Word Murder Mystery Show.
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I try not to do this, but someone who makes the memes needs to get our logo and change it into, say it one more time because it makes me so happy, the Fuck Word Murder Mystery Show.
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It's just beautiful. Vartkis Iskandarian and his family started the first Zanku Chicken in Beirut in 1962.
00:33:39
Oh, wow. And then they brought it over here in 1983. And and it was the the chain actually was opened by Marderos, who is the son. And his parents were not interested in having a restaurant in America. They wanted to do dry cleaning, maybe go into the suit business.
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They looked into all these other businesses that were more kind of reliable than a restaurant.
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Yeah. People that would appreciate the food. There was almost no food to feed them that was like from their home.
00:34:23
Totally. So they opened their first restaurant at the corner of Sunset and Normandy in East L.A.
00:34:33
Holla. Hey. And the L.A. Times said it's the best roast chicken in town at any price, which is kind of really saying something for the other shishi restaurants they have here.
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Absolutely. The Zagat Guide would say that Zanku was one of America's best meal deals.
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Oh, my goodness. America, not just L.A., which is cool. Jonathan Gold, who's a very famous food writer, he adores Zanku chicken, reviewed it and said the chicken was superb and nothing in heaven or on earth compares with the garlic paste.
00:35:06
Oh, my God, that garlic paste. The garlic paste is what everybody talks about. And it was invented by Marduros' grandmother.
00:35:15
Shut up. And his mother made it all by hand. So it was a secret recipe. people still don't know what's in it.
00:35:23
It's this white paste that you get with your chicken and your rice and your hummus and your pita. It's this little tub.
00:35:29
It's like on the side. And it is tangy and pungent and garlicky, but there's something else going on. It's kind of like butter.
00:35:38
Like you can't figure out. All you want to do is eat it and put everything that you eat into it.
00:35:43
And then for the next day, you're belching garlic. Yes. You're filled with garlic.
00:35:48
It's quite an experience. Um so that was kind of their secret weapon Aside from the fact that they figured out that other rotisserie chicken places they realized you have to move the chicken itself and you have to play with the temperatures You can just keep it on one temperature all the time
00:36:06
So they basically kind of went in there and tried to figure out how to give people who wanted to eat authentic Middle Eastern food the best version of that food and not just go like here.
00:36:17
Yeah. Here's whatever. Which is amazing. Apparently, one time on Curb Your Enthusiasm, Larry David referred to it as chicken so good it could end the rift in the Middle East.
00:36:28
So, like, everybody in L.A. knows about this food. It was also in a Beck song. That's right.
00:36:32
That's right. There's a list on Wikipedia of all the popular culture things. There was somebody on Buffy the Vampire Slayer also liked to eat there.
00:36:43
so they started as this hole in the wall chicken place and after I would think like over two years
00:36:53
they were making two million dollars a year holy shit and half of that was pure profit oh my god
00:36:59
so they um they were doing obviously great so there were rumors oh so in this article this is
00:37:06
one of my favorite things in this article um this guy mark the writer talks starts out by talking
00:37:13
about the armenian um culture and everything and he says there's a saying that little old armenian
00:37:20
ladies say in armenian which is let's sit crooked and talk straight which totally made me think of us
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oh my god isn't that the best let's sit crooked and talk straight that's basically let's gossip
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That is us to a T, and I'm fucking in love with it. It's the best. Thank you. We did this wrong.
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recreate my apartment. Yes. On stage. George's blue curtains are gorgeous. Oh, my God.
00:38:18
Can we talk about this? Yes, can we please? Fuck. Karen, tell me everything. Well,
00:38:23
last week when we were talking about how we are going to come and do a live podcast, and we were talking about all the things
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we needed to do and bring and have to recreate the same environment that we have in Georgia's
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hot, hot apartment when we record every week. And Georgia made a joke and said, I guess I'll buy a cage to bring Elvis.
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And I said, or you could just have him stuffed. And her heart broke in front of me.
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And now I'm that friend. So I've been trying to think for like six days, turning things like you got to make good on that piece of bullshit.
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And then I remembered that I'm a compulsive vintage thrift store shopper. And I got shit like this laying around by the dozens.
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And it's just been sitting in a closet for like fucking seven years. and the answer was yes.
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Elvis is here. When I saw that backstage, I was like, I'm not supposed to see that
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and if I look at it, I'm going to cry because it's so sweet and so I didn't look at it.
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Ow! What happened? I'm just trying to move my... Okay. There we go. Have you gotten a good look at it?
00:39:46
Because there's truly about four years of dust right on the top. You guys can see that.
00:39:51
It meant a lot. Karen, thank you so much. And I would have dusted it off, but I was running late.
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And if you know my apartment, you don't know my apartment. This is the most perfect thing for my apartment.
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It's going to match everything. It's like a grandma, and there's like seafoam happening.
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It's a seafoamy apartment. Everything. It makes me so, thank you so much, Karen.
00:40:13
You're welcome. I got you a nothing. I'm going to catch a moonbeam in my pocket.
00:40:21
Also, the other thing I just wanted to give a shout out because we had been talking last week about how we hate carving pumpkins.
00:40:31
Oh, no. What happened? Well, Caroline sent us a picture of the most perfect Halloween jack-o'-lantern goals for us.
00:40:39
And this is it. It's the tiniest face carved into a pumpkin. And when I saw it, it made me laugh so hard.
00:40:47
It's like the size of an emoji and the face of an emoji. Like the happy face emoji.
00:40:53
That's all I want in life. But then on the hugest pumpkin. So it's basically like this person took a pen and stuck it into a pumpkin.
00:40:59
It's so funny. And then they were like, where's my wine? And where are my Ritz crackers?
00:41:02
I'm done. You can laugh out loud, Stephen. That's good stuff. That's beautiful. Thank you so much, Caroline, because I really loved that.
00:41:09
To the point where I faved it. And then the next day went, oh, no, retweet that.
00:41:13
That's awesome. And I couldn't find it. And this morning before work, I must have spent 20 minutes trying to find this tweet.
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Can I have a quick pun corner? Please do. Squad gourds. Instead of goals. Squad gourds?
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Because a pun pen is a gourd. Let me explain this. My comedy is like kind of, you know, like it's intellectual.
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Squad gourds. It's written. Come on. It's reader comedy. You gotta. Squad gourds.
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That's really good. Like give me a hot minute. Mimi loves it. No, my God, Mimi's crying laughing right now.
00:41:48
You can't see it, but trust. She looks so bored. That's amazing. It's really good.
00:41:53
Thank you. So Renee and Rachel the older girls were old friends renee asked rachel to come with her
00:42:07
shopping um and then renee's boyfriend was gonna come but he went to a friend's house so his little
00:42:14
sister julie begs to come so they bring their her boyfriend's little sister along so it's the
00:42:20
three of them. They get to the mall. Rachel parks her car at the top of the fucking
00:42:24
car park, Oldsmobile, and they go shopping. People see them because, and this needs to be our new shirt,
00:42:32
she's wearing a shirt that says, Sweet Honesty. What? That's 1974 for you. What the fuck?
00:42:42
What stoner put that thing together? Sweet Honesty. And you know it was like crazy cursive with the
00:42:48
Y on the honesty. And then like three loop-de-loose. Blitter all around it. Just on the tits.
00:42:53
No bra. No bra. No bra. Didn't have to. 70s tits. That's a thing. Yeah. For sure. They were real low.
00:43:07
So a ton of people see them at the mall because people see her shirt, whatever the fuck.
00:43:14
And then that evening, families get worried as they do, they go out looking for the girl and they find her car where she
00:43:21
parked it on the roof of the small area. And in the car, the car is locked and inside are
00:43:26
the presents. So at some point they went to the car, put the presents in there, lock the
00:43:31
car and then what? Right? Yes. I don't know. You have to tell me. So they're freaking out.
00:43:41
The next day, a letter comes in the mail and it goes to Rachel's husband's house. Now,
00:43:46
Rachel, who was 17 and married. What? What? Yeah. Wait, is that Sweet Honesty? That's the other one, even. Okay. A 14-year-old
00:43:55
is wearing a Sweet Honesty shirt. Fuck. Ugh. Don't let your babies grow up to be Sweet Honesties.
00:44:03
For real. Sweet Honesty. Sweet Honesty! She didn't understand. It's actually you should sweet kick him in the dick.
00:44:13
That's what her shorts would have said. You guys, pepper spray first and fucking apologize later.
00:44:20
Right? These days, Georgia's favorite thing to say is, should I pepper spray that guy?
00:44:25
It's my, it makes me laugh so hard. I can't remember where we were, but you were just like, do I need to pepper spray this guy?
00:44:30
It's like, please don't. Not right now. Why not? Just spray it around like room freshener.
00:44:38
In your mouth? Beyond, what is it called? Banaca? Uh-uh. Let's do this. Well, I did a very pandery thing, and I picked a Chicago murderer.
00:44:54
You think you're better than me? What's that? I said, you think you're better than me?
00:44:57
That's right. But also, because there were so many choices. A lot of people love to talk about how Pacific Northwest,
00:45:07
oh, you have so many murderers in San Francisco. Hello, Chicago. You guys want to kill everybody.
00:45:13
Chicago just doesn't brag about it. That's right. They're just low-key. Yeah. Like, yeah, well.
00:45:20
They're just like, yeah, let's go have a beer. I don't need to talk about that. How are you doing, more importantly?
00:45:26
We don't need to talk about the torso murders. How are you doing? I've all killed it.
00:45:31
No, that's not here. No, that's Cleveland. Anyway. Sounds about right. There was a lot.
00:45:37
Lippy. There was a lot of choices to choose from, And there was a lot of favorites, but I actually had to go with this is my original.
00:45:46
The reason I got into reading serial killer books and watching true crime shows, fucking John Wayne Gale.
00:45:58
And I know this because she accidentally told me in the hotel room. It slipped out in the hotel room.
00:46:05
What was the context of that? You were talking about how the hotel concierge was like, you had to print out your notes.
00:46:11
And she was like, if you like John Wayne Gacy, you'll love this tour. And I was like, oh, fuck.
00:46:16
Yeah. That's all I said. There was nothing else revealed. So I don't have the deets.
00:46:20
Yeah. But I'm about to hear them. You're about to hear them. And you may have heard me say this before, but the first thing I ever saw about John Wayne Gacy,
00:46:29
because if you know, he buried the bodies of teenage boys that he murdered inside his house.
00:46:36
And when the police arrested him, finally, and he was able to draw a diagram of his house,
00:46:45
and he knew where every single boy was in the house, and there were 27 of them. I bet the FBI didn't respect him after that.
00:46:53
That's right. They were like, oh, look at Braggy Braggerstein over there. Take it easy.
00:47:00
So I saw when I was like probably 12, I opened a book. Good age. The perfect age for true crime.
00:47:12
Opened a book and they had drawn, based on the diagram that John Wayne Gacy had drawn,
00:47:18
they just used like long rectangles to show where the bodies were. And some artist had basically drawn body shapes.
00:47:28
Like it almost looked like a chalk outline, but like body shapes in a house diagram.
00:47:32
So that's, I like was, oh, childhood. And, you know, Joni loves Chachi and fucking this and that.
00:47:40
And I look down at this thing and I'm like, why are those boys floating in those boxes?
00:47:45
And then I read underneath it and it's like, you know, 27 bodies were buried inside this house.
00:47:51
And I was just like, okay, now I know that. and now I must know more and I I won't stop.
00:48:00
Adding that to Charlotte's Web and all the shit you already knew. That's right. Some pig.
00:48:10
So let's talk about fucking good old John. Also, the middle name Wayne is very common in serial killer world,
00:48:21
which I think is kind of great that he got in there. I don't know, but they named him John Wayne Gacy
00:48:26
because his mom loved John Wayne, the actor. Red flag. Right? Not a good sign that she loved film.
00:48:38
So John Wayne Gacy was born on March 17th, St. Patrick's Day, 1942, at Edgewater Hospital in Chicago, Illinois.
00:48:47
Anyone, Edgewater? Anyone else? You guys work there? Were you also born there with him?
00:48:56
He was the second of three children. He had an older sister and a younger sister.
00:49:00
And his father was a machinist who had been in World War I, and he was a very bad alcoholic.
00:49:09
So the story was that his dad would come home from work, and he would go down into the basement and drink brandy, which sounds classy.
00:49:21
But the mom would make dinner, and then they would all sit at the dinner table and wait for him to come upstairs.
00:49:28
and see how he felt. Well, I bet when he came up, he was real happy, and everyone was like, we can finally talk about Brandy.
00:49:36
Well, no. Oh, God. Instead, normally, he would come up drunk and very angry, and he would beat them with a strap for dinner.
00:49:48
I'm good tonight on strap. I'm so full of strap from last night, Dad. You can give it to her, though, if you want.
00:49:57
She's real hungry for a strap. And part of what they say, they think what fueled his rage is that John was basically a mama's boy.
00:50:06
And he liked that, you know, the father was into fishing and hunting and man, man, man.
00:50:12
And John liked to cook. And he liked to be in the kitchen with his mom. He liked planting flowers in the garden.
00:50:18
Things that in, like, the late 40s apparently brought deep shame upon you and your ancestors.
00:50:24
And were unacceptable. and made you drink brandy and beat children. It sounds like the norm back then, though, you know?
00:50:32
Yeah, I think it is. It's like everybody has to fit into their box, and if you don't, I'm going to punch you in the face
00:50:38
even though you're eight. All right. And then I wrote down there, toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
00:50:51
Can't wait to see that meme. So here's the thing. So he gets a job in Las Vegas.
00:50:59
And I was thinking about this. The first job you get out of high school is usually based on the thing you kind of like the most or the thing that you're into.
00:51:06
So I worked at a yogurt shop because I fucking love eating so much. I worked at a bakery.
00:51:12
Did you? Yeah. Well, John became a janitor at a mortuary. Yeah. Because it was his passion.
00:51:20
Oh, dear. The dead. and he actually later admitted to the police that when he worked there one night,
00:51:26
he, that's right, he got into a coffin with the body of a dead boy and fondled it.
00:51:36
It gets so much worse. There's 47 pages right here. A lot of this is my poetry I'm going to read later.
00:51:55
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I know. Isn't it fun? You're gazing lovingly at your nails. I've never seen you do that before.
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Here's the thing. And I just talked about this to you. So now I work on Guy Branham's TV show.
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The best. And shaping it. So I have really good hair. Doing makeup, very lightly brushing my face for an hour.
00:55:15
Amazing. I start to realize, like, on the first day, because this is a very collapsed schedule, it's been hard.
00:55:22
We've worked a lot. Which is why we're recording on a Sunday instead of a Tuesday.
00:55:25
That's right, because this next week is going to be the same and crazy. But so the first day we went to tape, I sat down at my, so it's called Talk Show, the Game Show.
00:55:36
Guy is hosting, Guy Branham, friend of the show, expert lawyer, Guy Branham. It's a talk show.
00:55:43
He's the host. and I'm a judge where people come out and they do an interview with Guy
00:55:48
and then I judge them and tell them how they did. God, that sounds like a dream job.
00:55:54
Super fun. Yeah, and you don't get judged. You just talk shit on people. Hell no.
00:55:57
They can't say shit to me. Don't fucking talk to me. But going through basically the beauty,
00:56:04
a glam squad every morning makes me realize how the first day after I left, Diane, who's my makeup person,
00:56:12
handed me a mask and she goes, why don't you put this on tonight? Oh my God. And it was basically like thing by thing
00:56:19
where it's like, oh yeah, that's right. Like I go home and then just go to sleep
00:56:22
and don't wash my face. They're like, can you make our lives a little easier, please?
00:56:25
Can you not make this so that we have to put you together like a wax goddamn dummy?
00:56:30
And so then, you know, like one day I realized I have to hold up signs. I need to paint my fingernails.
00:56:35
No, dude, I get it when you're like, oh, this person, I have done the bare minimum of looking good.
00:56:41
Yes. and now but then once I do it it's like oh this is fun doesn't it feel nice to take care to pamper
00:56:47
yourself it really does so today I really like it so today I was like I just did my nails last
00:56:52
week really fast I do that too but so today I went and got a manicure oh my god in Silver Lake
00:56:57
and it was nice and the lady Rose was did it really awesomely so sweet that you find out the
00:57:03
names of your she asked me my name and then I asked her her name I love it it was fun when I
00:57:08
went to leave also but my glam ended because it was the weekend so I had no makeup on and
00:57:13
oh fuck that looked a lot like a scumbag you saw me that morning went to leave I told you in the
00:57:18
morning you look beautiful well I can't have it I don't think I said beautiful I think I said you
00:57:22
look so pretty right I think beautiful and then I was like get away from me in the valet area
00:57:26
and ran away from you I was I was working valet that morning George had her little hat on and she
00:57:32
brought my car around. I told her to get away from me, went and got a manicure. As I was getting
00:57:38
rung up, a girl who was getting her manicure looked up at me and goes, Karen. And I go, yeah.
00:57:43
Cause I was like, Oh, does she work with me? Is it somebody that like, I haven't talked to that
00:57:47
much, whatever. And then she goes, I love your podcast. But she was like, she was getting a
00:57:51
manicure. So she was kind of weirdly stuck. It wasn't like we could shake hands or say hi or
00:57:56
And I immediately got so self-conscious that I had like these crazy nice nails. And then other than that, I really looked like I rolled out from under a bridge.
00:58:05
I was like, oh, thanks. Bye. And just ran away so quickly. So I just wanted to say to that girl, if you're listening, which she might have quit at this point because I was so not all that friendly to her.
00:58:16
Hi. Hi. I'm sorry I didn't ask you what your name was. I'm sorry I didn't say. I'm sorry I didn't have a moment with you.
00:58:22
I was kind of embarrassed. I'm kind of embarrassed. In general. That's just like, how are you feeling today?
00:58:28
Kind of embarrassed. Kind of generally embarrassed. Yeah. But I'm working on it.
00:58:32
Yeah. So high to her. But the thing is, too, that she knows so much about you at this point and, like, doesn't
00:58:37
expect you to, like, she doesn't think you're going to be Chrissy fucking Teigen.
00:58:41
You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, we haven't fucking positioned ourselves to be Chrissy fucking.
00:58:44
I mean, Chrissy Teigen seems like a chill chick, but, like, what she looks like.
00:58:48
For some reason, I can't drop the Chrissy Teigen expectation. It's my problem. Oh, yeah.
00:58:52
No one. I kind of am like oh maybe I look like I kind of get that because I'm like I'm not wearing
00:58:58
makeup anymore and then I'll see myself sometimes and be like oh my god I look like I'm on my way to rehab
00:59:01
and like do people like my neighborhood fucking cafe are they like is she okay I have like some acne scars
00:59:07
right now so it looks a little like I've been picking at my face you know like yes
00:59:11
I want to be presentable presentable you want to be presentable if my mom saw me who's a fucking really
00:59:17
into images everything she'd be like she'd be worried about me my mom, I have a tape in my head of my mom who used to always,
00:59:25
if you would like walk through the kitchen, it would just be like after school one day or like casual time.
00:59:31
My mom would be the one to go, oh God, put some lipstick on. You look like a corpse.
00:59:35
That was like her great quote. So I have that kind of there. I'm like, really in the house you need me to wear lipstick lady?
00:59:41
It's so moms, the minute she sees me, she tells me how something I am doing that she likes it better when I do the
00:59:48
other way around. Like, if I have short hair, oh, I like your hair longer. Not like you look it like oh I like your hair shorter Like it just like here what you done that doesn please me Yes And I like fuck you you voted for Trump
01:00:06
Here's what you fucking, mom. That's right. You don't get to tell me nothing anymore.
01:00:10
No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. Moms. Moms and dads. Do we have corners?
01:00:18
Oh, I have a couple corners. Can I tell you something I've never talked about? Yes.
01:00:23
Vince and I have this, I'm going to share a real intimate, not intimate, but an inside joke that my husband and I have that we're the only people who know what this is.
01:00:31
And we kind of love it and share it together. And I'm going to just sell a few people right now.
01:00:35
And every time we say any kind of corner thing, I think of this. So whenever the word corner comes up, Vince and I say to each other, corner, corner, corner.
01:00:43
And the reason is because we would go to this late night diner in Los Feliz called House of Pies.
01:00:49
That's like the fucking best old school diner. And there was this chick who was a waitress there who was like, like late night waitress.
01:00:56
You could tell she was on like Adirond fucking like buzzing on coffee and shit. She was really cool, but she was like clearly buzzing.
01:01:03
And every time she'd have hot plates on her, you know, when you're a waitress and you have
01:01:07
to say behind you, behind you, when you're like behind someone with plates so they don't
01:01:10
walk into you, she would come around the corner with these hot plates and go corner, corner,
01:01:14
corner, corner, corner, corner, corner. So you'd be like eating your chicken pot pie or whatever.
01:01:18
You just keep going corner, corner, corner. And I would just fucking crack up. So whenever we hear someone say corner, and this was like three years ago, and we're still
01:01:24
like corner, corner, corner. Yeah. Now I just told everyone. So let's do corner, corner, corner.
01:01:28
I love it. Is it corner, corner, corner time? It is. Fuck, man. How have I never fucking heard of him?
01:01:46
It's such a fascinating case. There's way more to read. But like the idea that while he was murdering sex workers and then writing columns about the murderer and the murders and asking people how they felt.
01:01:59
And he was writing about like acknowledging and writing about the murder. Yes. Yeah.
01:02:04
He was basically in faux investigating his own crime. It's amazing. And oh, that was the thing that stupid.
01:02:12
I was trying to find this, but one of the experts talking about him said the thing about the psychopaths, the kind of psychopath that he is, is you stop focusing on what they do and they make you focus on them.
01:02:29
And that's how that like it's cult of personality. So when he was in jail, the fact that he had strangled a young woman faded away.
01:02:40
And it all became about me and my life and how hard it's been for me and read my autobiography.
01:02:44
And this is so sad. He never said like, I made a mistake and killed this thing. It was like, don't even point that out.
01:02:50
No, it was all about him. And then and he was he was smart enough and manipulative enough to play the part of the person they were looking for, you know, to really kind of like be the face of and spearhead this resocialization plan.
01:03:08
He was just like, I'm going to be that guy. Do you think that when people get convicted of murder and then they get to read a letter to the judge or to the family and they just talk about themselves, that's the same kind of thing?
01:03:21
Instead of like apologizing to the family or saying, I made a mistake or whatever.
01:03:26
Yes. And then just like, I had a hard childhood. I was, that's the same thing. I've always, because it's pissed me off whenever I hear those.
01:03:33
No, yeah, that's the, because it's the narcissist. Just it's, um, is it some, you know, a bunch of those traits go across the board and like,
01:03:42
if you're this, you're this, you're this, but it's like narcissism for sure. But then also, um, the psychopaths where it's just like, it's their world and everyone is
01:03:51
just an ant in that world and they get to do what they want and everything is to power.
01:03:56
Everything is to, you know what I mean? Like it's to feed their ego and things are done to them and like they have unfair, things
01:04:03
are unfair to them and yeah and if and if they're like i don't even want to talk like when he was
01:04:08
finally arrested they tried to get him to talk about the 1974 murder and he was like i have no
01:04:13
memory i don't know what you're talking about and just like it's as if in his mind since he doesn't
01:04:18
acknowledge it it didn't happen wow i always wish there was a way to get them to like
01:04:23
fucking feel bad about it you know yeah but that's the uh there's no such thing that's they don't
01:04:30
have a conscience that's me thinking they can be rehabilitated which they can't it's you thinking
01:04:34
they're like you yes it's that yes and actually that's part of the fascination of all of this
01:04:40
shit is there's these people that are built totally differently or because of their circumstances of
01:04:45
how they were raised which is like alcoholic grandfather who did these things it's like
01:04:49
there's no way your brain can then go to where you and i are and steven and hopefully and
01:04:56
but also i think you have to have that because lots of people get beaten up by horrible
01:05:03
grandfathers and all that stuff you have then it's that extra piece of being a sociopath or
01:05:09
being a psychopath where it turns because this guy was just like on fire with the lord since
01:05:15
fucking day one where he's like 16 assaults yeah out of you know when he's like in his teens and
01:05:21
early 20s he had huge problems from jump and never stopped doing it yeah and then just tricked
01:05:28
everybody in this insane way because you know he was getting off on the idea of like i'm gonna go
01:05:34
interview the head of this investigation and ask them if they have any idea who's doing this and
01:05:39
the answer is no and he gets to get that quote like none of them were like that's weird that
01:05:44
he's putting himself you know because that's one of the things is that they put the murderers put
01:05:48
themselves in the middle of the investigation or just a little too interested in it. But I guess
01:05:54
they didn know that then They didn know it It so funny too because it not that long ago It the 90s but it still police procedurally It long ago Well that explains to me a thing that I haven really ever understood which is why Ann Rule
01:06:08
never suspected or even took a while after Ted Bundy was arrested to be like, yeah, that
01:06:15
was him. So she was under that same fucking spell. Yes. It's like I never understood.
01:06:21
It was like, how did you fucking not know? Because, you know, haven't you ever met a person like that?
01:06:25
Like, I've definitely met one person in particular where the charisma is such. They make you think that they think you're the only person in the world.
01:06:35
And that most people never get that. Unless you're like exceedingly beautiful or special in some way.
01:06:42
Or it's this actual specific relationship you're having that's because of the two of you.
01:06:47
Right. Because Vince makes me feel that way and I don't want to make it. Well, that's because you make him feel that way too.
01:06:56
But when you meet those people, in my opinion, I think a lot of love at first sight is like the first time you made a sociopath.
01:07:04
Because they know how to manipulate you and they have their reasons for it. Even if it doesn't make sense to you or in your mind, it's like, why would he do that?
01:07:14
We had this magical thing. What are you getting out of this? Nothing. Well, having young women be in love with you everywhere you go, you know, is part of it.
01:07:23
Yeah, because we don't need that. So we don't understand why other people would need that too.
01:07:27
Right. Or you if you need it, you can then go, yeah, but that would be mean to do to a person who
01:07:31
I didn't love back. Like you can bring an actual, you know, conscience into it. I saw a relationship like that of two people I know.
01:07:42
And it was like, everyone was like, how the fuck do you not see this person? doesn't think like you.
01:07:50
Yeah. And it's like so surprising to see that from a smart person not understanding these like really obvious to everyone else.
01:07:57
Don't you think smart people are almost more susceptible? Yes. Because it's like I never think I'm going to fall for anything.
01:08:03
Yeah. And they're almost more like they can intellectualize away these things because they're not just ding-dongs going along with it.
01:08:13
They're like, well, I'm really smart, so I would clearly know this. well and also i think that brain based people ignore their gut more oh yeah so it's like i've
01:08:23
met plenty of people who aren't say book smart which i also didn't mean to just say i'm so smart
01:08:27
because i'm true i've proven here time and again that i'm not listen if this is your first episode
01:08:32
you know that we don't even have to say that please know this but you there are people who
01:08:37
don't get bogged down in thinking and just go ill give goodbye this feels awful for whatever reason
01:08:43
whereas if you're a big thinker and a big analyzer then it's like you know this never happens and this
01:08:49
is i'm i'm magically being chosen by this amazing magical person who is so charismatic and so
01:08:57
you know what i mean like does a thing that you're you're like what this doesn't happen this is
01:09:02
uncommon well i want to say it's also because of self-esteem but no no i was going to say it's also
01:09:06
because you and i have been through a lot of experiences where that has happened to us and we
01:09:10
have, you know, since we were very young and went through some shit, but it's also, so we're like
01:09:14
skeptical and thinking that way. But also when that happened to me, when I was younger, I had
01:09:19
really low self-esteem. Yes. So, you know, it's not just that I didn't know it's that, that they
01:09:24
were like that or what people were like. It's that I, when someone treats you that it's almost like
01:09:29
they find that people with low self-esteem and they know they can see you at a bar that you are
01:09:34
that person. And the moment they say a word to you, they can tell if you are or not. That's right.
01:09:39
That's exactly right. Because you know, it's funny, the person I'm thinking of that I had
01:09:43
this experience with where I was like, if the things I was thinking that it was and the reality
01:09:49
of what it was, I learned terribly about a year later when I watched him do the exact same thing
01:09:54
to my friend who does not have low self esteem. When I introduced them, I was standing there.
01:09:59
And I watched the look, it was like watching a look, come over. It's like watching a predator,
01:10:04
like yeah you know like like a change like a thing change colors to fit the environment yes
01:10:11
and when I saw the look on his face and my heart just dropped of like oh no that's it wasn't love
01:10:16
at first sight that's the thing he does to everybody my friend was just like hey what's
01:10:20
like nice to meet you and moved on didn't give a shit and I was just like work on her oh man
01:10:25
this is all so awful yeah yeah but I don't think it can happen to us again or and if it does we'll
01:10:32
be more aware of it and you know listen to our fucking friends it'll never happen again because
01:10:37
i'm an emotional lighthouse on the very tip of maine and i'll be there forever goodbye
01:10:44
well at least you're gonna have lighthouse cats that's fun it's really the only like positive i
01:10:51
can think of that at least you always get free clam chowder at a lighthouse oh my god with the
01:10:55
oyster crackers on top of it and the big sweater and i'll play the cello oh my god this is gonna
01:10:59
be great for me. Mimi, go live with Karen in her lighthouse. I should get Mimi. I'm her number one
01:11:05
fan. So we did get a present last week and it was from another person that I know from Twitter,
01:11:11
Andrew, and he tried to send this thing twice. I'm sorry. I don't pick up my PO box enough. I
01:11:16
think they fucking hate me there too. Cause you get so much stuff now. Yes. They fucking hate me.
01:11:21
Lots of presents. Uh, well he sent us, he's a woodworker and we got, Oh yeah, these gorgeous
01:11:29
pens in hand carved um pen holders pen cases boxes yeah whatever they were and then he carved
01:11:38
steven a mustache for his i mean a comb for his mustache giant wooden comb for his mustache steven
01:11:45
have you been using it i mean every day my mustache i feel like it does look good it's like
01:11:50
it looks good i gotta you know keep it for keep it tight yeah that's right it's part of your
01:11:54
persona now. High and tight. So Andrew, it's Andrew Hess that I know from Twitter. He's a great woodworker. And thank you so much for sending those. And we finally got them
01:12:04
and we were blown away, blown away by them. It was so thoughtful. Yeah. I was always trying to
01:12:10
think of things that make me happy or things that I loved. And so we I just put up this hummingbird
01:12:15
feeder right outside and like, I love hummingbirds. And there's been like, fucking it's been like a swarm of hummingbirds. And every time I see one I yell, even if I'm alone,
01:12:24
hummingbird, I just can't not yell, hummingbird, even though they're like, it's like every 10
01:12:29
minutes but the thing i love is that it made me realize that they're fucking assholes to each
01:12:34
other hummingbirds are yeah they're really aggressive and territorial and they keep
01:12:38
fighting against it and it made me so happy because it's like everyone's like hummingbirds
01:12:43
are so beautiful and they get tattoos of them and like they love them and it's like well
01:12:47
they can be fucking dicks too and it's just this like positive light of to me of like don't
01:12:54
don't compare yourself don't don't put yourself up to standards of hummingbirds no because they're actually assholes yeah and they're and they're sugar freaks they're they're
01:13:03
addicted to sugar and they just got to get theirs just like everybody else they are mean to each
01:13:10
other it's very funny it's funny because i face the sliding glass door where the hummingbird feeders
01:13:16
are and so the whole time especially today yeah i can see them and there's a lot it's like three at
01:13:22
a time every four minutes seriously so it's really hard to concentrate like every i keep wanting to
01:13:28
go look but then it's like exactly and it's so yeah it's so distracting but it's this peaceful
01:13:33
thing of staring at a hummingbird is so nice but then they fucking dive bomb each other and chirp
01:13:38
like yell at each other and then you hear their wings are this like it's just really fun they're
01:13:44
cool yeah they're super cool there's actually a video my friend sent me once uh there's a guy who
01:13:49
put a gopro on his face and then put a hummingbird feeder um like near under the gopro so that it was
01:13:56
basically hummingbirds flying up to his face oh my god drinking their stuff but so he could get
01:14:01
these first person view like slow-mo of hummingbirds it's the best videos people are the best hummingbirds
01:14:07
are fucking dicks so don't worry about your life right people are the best yeah especially when
01:14:14
they have a gopro strapped what we're trying to teach you is might be unclear now but it's going
01:14:21
to become clear very soon, within the next 10 years. It'll be so obvious to you.
01:14:26
Then you'll be like, oh my God, they were right. And now they live on a tiny island in Maine and we can't tell them.
01:14:31
Clam Chowder Town. Clam Chowder. I'm the mayor of Clam Chowder Town. You are. Can we go back to the picture of Belle herself just to see why everyone is so in love?
01:14:40
There she is That her Yeah Oh she pretty She not Am I wrong What that Is she pretty She pretty
01:14:54
Is she? She is. She pretty. She pretty. She pretty. Even I'm like, oh, maybe she didn't do it.
01:15:04
You know what, you guys? I think she's innocent. I feel like. Look at her. Look at...
01:15:08
I mean, she does have a hat face. And then I can't say the same thing. I mean, the ruffles, she really, you know, she's got a napkin bib in her fucking.
01:15:19
And clearly just a huge long rack. Her rack goes, instead of being like this, 50s style, straight down farm style.
01:15:29
Yeah. We all know that means you're a hard worker. Yeah. Marry her. Right? Yeah.
01:15:36
You got to. There wasn't a lot of foundation garments back then. You just had to, you know, gravity took its toll.
01:15:44
Anyhow. So Ray Lamphere shows up with the fire in his eyes and the insane mustache.
01:15:52
And he is immediately in love with her. So he'll do anything she asks. All right.
01:15:58
So that's what's happening, the feel around the farm. And at the same time, Belle Gunness puts an advertisement in the newspaper in all the Chicago daily papers and in, I guess, some of the Norwegian papers.
01:16:14
And this is the it's basically kind of like a personal ad. And hers reads personal.
01:16:20
comely widow who owns a large farm in one of the finest districts in LaPorte County, Indiana
01:16:26
desires to make the acquaintance of a gentleman equally well provided with view of joining fortunes
01:16:33
no replies by letter considered unless sender is willing to follow answer with personal visit
01:16:39
triflers need not apply hey I don't want no scrubs Yeah. His best friend's farm.
01:16:57
Trying to burn down a horse. Burn down a horse. She tried to burn that horse. Triplers need not apply.
01:17:09
Is our next shirt. Oh, my God. Shit. Steven. Steven! Steven, get on that! Steven, do it now!
01:17:21
I mean, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's not wrong. Yeah. She can't sue us. Yes she murders children and adults Yes But But also triflers need not a play No they didn They simply need it They need it
01:17:36
Police made an official statement that they had a serial killer on their hands. And that statement, of course, makes international news because Simone Schmidl was German.
01:17:49
The first two women were British. It just goes everywhere. that now hitchhikers are going missing and then bodies are being discovered.
01:17:59
Well, up in Birmingham, England, a man with my favorite name in the world, Paul Onions.
01:18:06
Oh, my God. Come on. Dude. Dude. Go find him. I mean, I have to make him mine. Paul, you don't know me.
01:18:17
And I certainly don't know you. Karen Onions. Mrs. Paul Onions. Give me one second.
01:18:32
What do I like about this world? It just can't also be like selfish. Like what? I don't know, because yours was very sweet and giving.
01:18:43
Like being alone. No, I think that's really good. So you? Of course. You can leave this part in.
01:18:51
um so Vince was gone last week missed him love him it's so quiet and weird here without him but
01:18:59
god there's something about being alone and just like watching whatever you want to watch and
01:19:04
lots of farting and drinking you know drink having a drink and talking to your cats and like
01:19:11
singing stupid songs and I just I really enjoy that a lot yeah in a way that's like doesn't
01:19:18
mean I don't love Vince. Oh, of course not. You know? No, no, no. I think it's, um, it's almost
01:19:23
like a resetting. Yeah. When you can just get a little, I mean, I've gone, you have to be careful
01:19:29
though, because then after a while, like, I think I have thin skin about it where I need now I'm
01:19:35
becoming that kind of person where like, I need things to be a certain way because I'm so used to
01:19:39
always only having things exactly how I want them, which isn't good. Yeah. But then when you meet
01:19:44
someone you really like you're like oh i like the way he does that stupid thing yeah that's true
01:19:48
you know it's like i had some i had some greeting or some like saying i saw a long time ago that
01:19:54
said like when you don't like someone the way they eat pisses you off when you like someone
01:20:00
they could spill food on you and you'd be so thrilled about it like something like that where
01:20:07
it's just depends on the person yeah that's very true but there's there is something very zen
01:20:12
about just like being in silence or just kind of doing what you want and not always for so long I really always had to have like three people around me at all times And it just kind of knowing yourself too and knowing what you would be like alone and
01:20:26
your schedule and like how you would fall asleep at night, which is apparently on a
01:20:30
fucking naked bed with my fucking vintage comforter. And no sheets. And no sheets covering me.
01:20:37
And, you know, it's kind of cool to check back in with yourself like that. Yeah, I think that's really good.
01:20:42
Yeah, and then when Vince came home, I was like, great, I've got to be a human again.
01:20:45
I'm going to actually have to shower. Yeah, he's very strict about that stuff. Yeah, being alone.
01:20:56
Consider it. Consider it for a hot second. All right, well, thanks for listening.
01:21:01
Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Bye. Bye. Elvis, use your microphone. Elvis. Want a cookie?
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