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Goodbye. We start this with air guitar. Hello. Hi. And welcome. To My Favorite Murder.
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This is your comedy true crime podcast that you check in with weekly. Yeah, just to see how you doing.
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Just see how we doing. Hey, hey, how we doing? Here's one way we're doing. Right now I have an imported Australian cookie in my hand.
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Fuck yeah, you do. A good friend of ours, insert name here later, sent us a box of Australian candy and cookies.
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And to that person, name to be inserted later. it's the gal who made us those candy hearts even what's her name yes jess what's her uh something
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by vintage shit shit fuck no wait i um she sent us a bunch of australian candies and cookies and
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we're eating guys from in america i didn't know this till we went to australia there's this thing
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that they fucking have called hundreds and thousands it's just sprinkles on everything
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It's kind of like an Australian cookie version of a Pop-Tart. Yes! It's a Pop-Tart feel.
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No jam. No, no. Nothing in the middle. It's just kind of dry and flaky with pink and sprinkles on top.
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But then for some reason, it's the best cookie. Yeah. For the love of vintage. Yes.
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We did an unboxing, and she sent us a bunch of cute of her, what is it called? Crafts.
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And then a bunch of candy, too, which is just a way to get our attention for sure.
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Yeah. So we've been eating. We're here in the office. We're at the exactly right offices right now.
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That's right. We unboxed that. That unboxed box was sitting in the office kitchen.
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So we've just been slowly all day long eating Tim Tams and hundreds and thousands.
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You can see that unboxing video. Hey, we never plug the fan cult. Are we embarrassed to plug the fan cult?
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Are we embarrassing? Yes. Ourself? We have a fan cult. If you go to myfavoritemurder.com, you can join.
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You get a fucking exclusive t-shirt and pen. we're about to we're now going to do it for every live show we're going to do a two ticket giveaway
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yes now but we put very exciting unboxing videos of like gifts people fucking send us once a week
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too yeah and those that uh ticket giveaway starts at the san diego shows for this weekend so if
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you're in uh the san diego area you belong to the fan cult or you're wanting to join this that you
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didn't get tickets get on there and you can enter to win two tickets to one of the two shows that
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we're doing in san diego and we come out of this off stage and hug you right in the audience
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oh we didn't i didn't tell you that but that's part of it that's written in the fine print
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karen has to hug yeah you i'll fucking dive right into that remember that live show it was very it's
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the first tour when i left the stage and went into went and yelled at the girl in the audience
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yes vaguely was i drinking at shows then still i don't know all i know is that once i was out there
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I was like, oh, I should not have just walked away and left her alone. That's right.
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I was like, huh. We were always because we were giving someone shit for going to the bathroom.
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That's not being there when we called them. Oh, you were going to go sit in her seat.
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Yes. And only when I got to her seat did I realize what a bad plan and how I didn't really think
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Let's do it at every show. it through. This tour. Guys, what we're saying is these live shows are unpredictable.
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It'll be there'll be this. There'll be that. We're out there with you. We're up here with ourselves here.
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We're there. We're everywhere. oh do you have a thing uh thanks for asking i have a pressing corrections quarter that here's
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what's cool about this part uh i don't let's not paint ourselves into intellectual corners where
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we start doubting every goddamn fucking word we say never especially since we have listeners and
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friends out there um this person we met when we were at the vancouver show um her name is yukari
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And she told us when we met her in the meet and greet that she translates this podcast
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for Japanese listeners and people who only speak Japanese, which we were like, what?
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How? Why? Are there enough people? Is this a thing Really It was really fun exciting She was super cool to talk to And luckily with all the kindness in her heart I assuming she checked in the morning after the last episode we did to let me know that
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I had mistermed something. It was her and like a bunch of anime dudes that were stoked to correct.
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were like i uh was talking about the thing that uh there's a japanese term for when your iris
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doesn't touch the bottom lid yeah and i said it was called seppuku and you know what here's and i
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went yeah because you said it this just shows me what a follower i am not that i would have known
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either way but you said it was such confidence i was like wow i can't believe karen knows that
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that's so impressive and you just like you you had it you didn't even like pause yeah it was amazing
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And this is, thanks for pointing that out. This is the problem area. Because when I see my brain collects information like that and files it away.
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You should see me play Jeopardy at home. Oh, my God. I bet you're amazing. Mind blowing.
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But when we record our conversations and every single thing needs to be right, it's absolutely not.
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Does it? Well, so seppuku, the thing that I called the whites of the eyes, is actually another word for harakiri,
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which is the way uh when you have an honor suicide in japan and you run a sword through your own
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stomach while on your knees and then i believe twisting no i think that's where that um twisting
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the knife saying comes from but that absolutely and uh yukari please let me know how wrong i am
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that could be wrong now we're just fucking we can't stop we're saying that i shouldn't do it
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And then we just won't fucking stop. I won't stop. The real term I should have used was Sampaku.
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This is the message, the very lovely message. Hi, Karen Kogariff. Just listen to the latest MFM.
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Sampuku is Japanese suicide ritual. What you meant was Sampuku, but she actually spelled that Sampukugan, which literally means three white eye.
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because that means there's three spaces around your iris to the right, to the left, and on the bottom,
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and there should only be the two. This is the new five head. Nice. Exactly. Or my two head.
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I have a teeny tiny two head. She also said it's not good in physinomogy. Physinomy.
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Physinomy. Okay. Anyway, Yukari, thank you so much for kindly pointing that out.
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and everybody, could we just please all start using correct terms, Japanese terms all the time?
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Let's please. We're offending the Japanese public. Damn it. That are listening to this in Japanese.
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It seems like I should probably ritually commit suicide because I have shamed my ancestors
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by being so wrong. Speaking of shame, can we have what will probably is the first and will probably be the only
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I was fucking right, Georgia told you so moment? when we wrapped last week and we had recorded we had recorded we had recorded uh what are they
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called an episode and ads and i turned to you and steven and i said karen i think you said
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penis instead of products was that it i don't remember uh pieces pieces of furniture i swear
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you said penis as a furniture and and you're both like no i don't mean you hear that well steven and
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I were like, yeah, we don't know what you're talking about. Penis more times than anyone
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on this podcast. Required for the story. Not your problem. But then we got tweets from people and then Georgia was like,
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I fucking told you! But I honestly, of course, I didn't hear it because I'm the misspeaker. I think I
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know what I said. And then Stephen was just like, no. If you both agreed, I was like, well, then I'm wrong.
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You're outnumbered. There's nothing you can do. I thought it was like a Laurel and Yanny
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situation. I heard pieces of furniture. I heard penis. What? Well, now we've said penis more times than necessary.
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So that's the last. So I hope you've all learned your lesson. Georgia shouldn't do that.
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What else? Do you want to hear a cool email? This is rad. We went on at length last week talking about Lucky Luciano, the gangster,
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and, of course, the beautiful actor that played him on Boardwalk Empire. Then we got this email.
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subject line lucky luciano was brought down by a rad as fuck black female prosecutor yes i did
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you ever know like or hear anything about no of course not guys they don't teach this in fucking
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they don't public fucking school this is the shit that like goes unspoken and then everyone's like
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it is maddening to me okay love your podcast you the cats dogs the vents etc i was listening to
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your recent ep that talked about lucky luciano and thought you'd love to know that three that
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the three-piece suit motherfucker was brought down exclusively because of a rad as fuck woman.
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Eunice Carter was the granddaughter of slaves, a cum laude graduate of Smith College and Fordham
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University, and she is intensely not here for any bullshit. She was one of New York's first female
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African-American lawyers and one of the first prosecutors of color in the United States.
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She worked for Thomas Dewey, a special prosecutor in the 1930s, to take on the mob in New York City.
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He hired 20 lawyers, 19 white men, and Eunice Carter. Fuck yeah. As a team, they mostly focus on loan sharking and kidnapping and murder, but they toss Eunice the sex work stuff to cover because, you know, woman.
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Eunice, being the sharp tack she is, noticed that women arrested for prostitution from all over New York City were represented by the same lawyers and bail bondsmen.
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Those agents had relationships with Lucky. she established that the sex workers were required
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to kick back half their earnings to crime bosses in exchange for legal representation and Lucky was profiting from the prostitution holy shit she was the only assistant on Dewey team who ever connected him with any crime and is the reason he was sent to prison
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Holy shit. Her grandson wrote a book about her called invisible. And I highly recommend it to every living person.
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Yes. That's our new fucking book club, right? Yeah. Let's all read invisible. That's cool.
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Stay sexy and don't mess with women because they are smart as hell. Julia in Seattle,
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Julia. Thank you for fucking sending that. That is, I'm so happy to know that. And I love that.
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I love knowing that. Such a good little piece of info. Let's all get the book Invisible and give ourselves a couple weeks.
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Can I listen to it? I have to listen to it. And then let's have a convo and you guys join us.
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Yeah. Buying the book Invisible. What that means is like with Sweet Audrina, we'll never talk about it again.
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No, we absolutely will. We bailed on Sweet Audrina because we were like, it was creeping us out.
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Remember? yeah we're like oh i was a kid and this turned me on yeah we should get out of here i think we were
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having shame spiral yeah around that book and we didn't want to like shit on you know the author
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we did it was like a whole thing where we just opening yeah you're like oh that's why i'm into
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that porn yeah that's why i'm into addict porn that explains everything yeah that's why you trip
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vote for the word addict addict um that's it that's it for me business wise i don't think i
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have anything no business whatsoever we're about to start our fucking tour tomorrow
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in san diego did you say san diego did you say san penis um it's unbelievable because it honestly
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feels like the winter tour just ended two days ago and the what they're calling the spring tour
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which is like it's fucking january 10th friends we had like our merch company draw us up the poster
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or like whatever and we approved it because we were like it looks great and it was all snowy and
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shit yeah and then we're like wait a second the people who get this in may are gonna be like what
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the fuck they're gonna be like um thanks for this snow the snow drift pines yeah hold on to it till
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winter what's happening with your spring tour guys right way to go but we're very excited to be out
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visiting you and seeing you again. It's very, it is exciting. We complain so much.
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Oh, we're great at it. And at the end of the store, our fucking book comes out. Yeah.
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Of all things. Yes. It's very exciting. I'm really nervous. I've been giving, we've gotten some like advanced partial copies and I've been giving them
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to trusted, a couple of trusted friends and saying, just tell me the truth, everything.
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And then one of them like did, Crystal didn't, I thought she read it right away and just
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didn't text me about that thing. Well, I'm just gonna say nothing. It was like, Oh, shit. Yeah,
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turns out she's busy and has a life. Right. Ready? And when she did? Yeah, she probably didn't
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take it and sit home immediately. That's what I was hoping for. I know. I know. It's very,
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listen, this is that thing. This is the thing of like, this is why unless somebody I don't listen
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to criticism from anyone unless they have put their own ass on the line and put their actual
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creativity out there because it is the hardest thing to do to make something that is of your own
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and put it out yeah and that's why like people can tell you i hate this i think whatever but
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it's your vulnerability that they're reading about which is so easy to like to criticize it
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well and also if they've never done the same i mean this is straight out of daring greatly
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by bernie brown but if they've never done the same their opinion can't count because they don't know
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what it means. That's right. So like we, we wrote a double memoir where we dredge up every stupid
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fucking thing we've ever done and try to make it entertaining. And then we like, I didn't even
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think about it until people started telling us, Oh, I got the advance. I like it or whatever,
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where I was like, Oh fuck, I forgot that's public. Yeah. And so now we're just stuck in that feeling.
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Well, that's a good point. And I gave my, you know, Kat Solon, who's designed some of our
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awesome merch and she also has a tv show on um adult swim called the shivering truth so she
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fucking puts herself out all the time yeah and she read it and said she started crying three times
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already so i'm like oh great god bless her yes god bless that's all we want is for you to fucking
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whimper and ball and into the book yeah exactly it's um yeah it's creepy i think when we did it
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we just i certainly was not thinking about the actual end result deadlines yeah so you poured
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it all out here's your homework motherfucker and then you think you're gonna walk away and never
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look never see it again and then you're like oh this again yeah great right here we go um that
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was vulnerability corner corner corner corner corner um i'm first you're first thank god i've
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only had a half a can of wine i'm gonna bucket uh bust right into another hundreds and thousands
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get in there because the big tour is coming up yeah because you know how much people love eating
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on microphone um this is the murder of susan taraskowitz okay great she goes by sue that's
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what we're gonna call her okay great here she is it's 1992 sue is uh 27 years old she works for
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the northwest airlines boston logan international airport so northwest airlines used to be an
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airline, I'm assuming. It was. I used to fly on it. Also, I believe Boston Logan Airport is
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pronounced Worcester. If I'm not incorrect with that. Thank you very much. So, Sue is this lovely
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all-American gal. She graduates high school in Saugus, Massachusetts. Fucking down-home
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Massachusetts gal. She becomes a reserve firefighter and then she gets a job at the airlines.
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and within five years, she worked her way up from cleaning airplane cabins to becoming the first woman
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in the history of the company to hold the position of a ramp supervisor Wow Yeah And like me are like what the fuck is a ramp supervisor it sounds great is it those ramp like she connects the
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plane to the walkway i wrote it down okay i wrote what is that job supervise and coordinate the
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activities of ground crew oh in the loading so she's fucking supervising everyone in the loading
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unloading securing and staging of aircraft cargo or baggage whoa and she um it also like has to do
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with like gravity. Like I didn't know this. You don't just fucking throw suitcases on.
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It's like the heavy ones go here. This goes here or else the plane's going to fucking crash.
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So she's the supervisor of all the people doing that. Yeah. She must be great at Tetris.
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Oh, shit. She's just like, hold that one there. All right. Get that L-shaped one over here.
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Right. The one full of chickens. Put it in the back. That's just a plain square.
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That's fine. That can go anywhere. So she's the, she is the first fucking woman to hold this job.
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So awesome. Amazing. And she's also the second ever female ground service employee working for the airline ever.
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So she's already fucking breaking glass. It's so funny because it's also recent.
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We're not talking about the 70s. Yeah. So Sue, obviously, is super hardworking. She's like 27 when she fucking accomplishes this.
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She's super hardworking. She's intelligent. She has a big heart. She's got a ton of chutzpah.
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She's a pretty brunette, tall and slim, but feisty. She once jumped in to break up a fight between two male colleagues.
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So she's like, love it. Fucking around. No, she's fine. So one of the perks of her job is just a little bit about her was meeting famous people because they were getting on the plane.
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And she had an autograph book who she would have the famous people sign, which is like the most pure hearted thing I've ever heard of in my life.
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Right. I used to do that. Have autograph books. Yes. Because it's usually you had one as a kid.
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I totally had one. Yeah. Nobody signed it ever. well yeah look it's the mayor of Irvine hey everybody then you just start getting your
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friends to sign up you're like can we just fill this thing up yeah yes and my dreams were crushed
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um so Sue's dream was to be a cartoonist but everyone was like it's really hard to do that
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but she was obsessed with peanuts and had even met Charles Schultz once all-american woman tons
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of ambition and by 27 years old already paying off uh but this is called the murder of sue
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throughout school it's so it doesn't go well so uh on september 12th 1992 sue's working her
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graveyard shift 11 p.m to 7 fucking a.m you know in the freezing cold boston air um around 1 a.m
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she leaves the airport to pick up sandwiches at a nearby sandwich shop for the crew
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this is an unsolved mysteries by the way have you seen yeah uh she never comes back to work
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after she goes to get sandwiches and no one ever reports her missing and in fact the really weird
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thing is her time card reflects that she clocked out at the end of her shift that night and clocked
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in the next morning okay so there's an inside element to this yep but the reality is sue was
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missing out of her sandwich run so because of this time card forging she's not officially reported
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missing for 36 hours. When her parents finally realized that she's missing, they go to the
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police station on the morning of September 14. It's Monday morning, only to be told that their
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daughter's body had just been found. I know. And her parents were like, her mom's amazing.
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Sue's blue Toyota Tercel had been found early that morning, Monday morning, parked at an auto body shop in Revere, which is about four miles from the airport.
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And the shop had been closed on Sunday the day before. So when they got to work that morning,
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someone noticed that blood was dripping from the trunk of a car. I know. And call the police.
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It's so awful. When police arrived, they opened Sue's trunk and found her body inside.
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In her own car. In her own car. She had been badly beaten and then stabbed multiple times.
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Awful. Obviously. Okay. So obviously you're fucking one of her coworkers or someone had fudged her
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time card. But why? Like, I'm sure you did that before, right? Your friend's like, I'm running late.
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Sure. I mean, can you blur or bleep the bleep the bleep that accusation bleep the place I just
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mentioned you worked at? Oh, yeah. Like people covering for you or going like, yeah, I don't.
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Can you make sure it doesn't look like I'm 10 minutes late? Right. Or I'm leaving three hours
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early. Can you clock me out when you leave? Right. But that's like for people like working
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menial jobs that you don't care about, not for people who work their way up. And certainly not
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for the boss. I mean, she's in charge of everything. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not doesn't
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seem like a request she would make or request you know whatever so but it wasn't her her mother her
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parents her mother's name is marlene they weren't even thinking about that question because there
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was no sign of robbery or rape so the family was just led to believe that sue was the victim of a
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random crime so they didn't consider the time card um and her mother marlene lovely fucking woman
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She believes all that until late 1993. So a year later. So Sue's mother is going through her daughter's old room and discovers Sue's diary.
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Oh, oh shit. Marlene is fucking surprised to read Sue's detailed accounts of the rampant sexual harassment that she had been enduring at work leading up to her murder.
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Oh no. Oh, Marlene reads house. And of course, Marlene. I mean, of course, Sue didn't want to worry her family and worry her parents about it.
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So she just wrote it in her diary. Her mom had no fucking clue about any of this.
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Right. Marlene reads how Sue's male co-workers and underlings had held a campaign of harassment against her.
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They spray painted obscene graffiti about her on cargo holds and employee bathrooms, and they had vandalized her car.
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she frequently complained with the manager or like filed complaints with the management
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at Northwest Airlines and her union but of course it's fucking 92 and even now very little is done
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mm-hmm um when sue continues to launch camp uh complaints she started getting anonymous
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threatening phone calls in the middle of the night yeah um and this is before she's promoted
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to ramp supervisor the job originally went to another male employee and it turned out that he
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had uh illegally bid on the position so when she filed a grievance to her union about it
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and one uh and so this guy got fucking fired from the job the harassment of course got worse yeah
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and to the point where sue discovered a drawing of a coffin with her name on it squirreled inside
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her locker wow isn't this awful yeah but also i think it just goes to show people like to dismiss
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sexual harassment yeah as like oh well you can't hang with the boys right you can't this or that
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but oftentimes and i've said this to people i read this it was worded really well in an article i read
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once but it's basically like trying to say to regular guys you need to notice the dudes that
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incite this shit because those aren't normal brains if there's a person who's like let's go
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get her yeah there needs to be action by the dudes that are in the group but don't feel that way right
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because they're under their own kind of peer pressure to go along and get along even if it's
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not like let's get her if a guy you know if he remarks on her ass or something it's like even
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without her hearing it's that i don't talk like that and i don't you know that's not or just how
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about shut the fuck up yeah every once in a while right but sometimes if those pressures or those
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groups are too intense then then people go start going along uh it's making me think about that um
00:25:40
charlise they're on a coal mining movie oh yeah it's unbelievable it's basically it's similar but
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It's not murder. But yeah, it's just that idea of like boys, when you're in a boys club, how those boys clubs can go insane.
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If there's a woman in the mix, they go insane. They, yeah, it's really horrible.
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And it's just, you know, another example of how being a woman is a threat to your life and to your livelihood.
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It's just being a woman, nothing more than that. And also having ambition. Ambition.
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God forbid. Totally. Yeah. Fucking breaking up the boys club. Yeah. And so in her diary, Sue names names of who her harassers were.
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Okay. Thank God. I know. Yeah. So changing the fucking changing gears, switching gears.
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It turns out that the month before Sue's murder, several Northwest baggage handlers had been subpoenaed to testify before the federal grand jury because they were investing the theft of hundreds of credit cards that had been shipped on Northwest Airlines flights to Boston.
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and then fucking stolen. So someone at Boston, when the credit cards got in there on the plane,
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had stolen those credit cards. And the credit cards were being used to buy jewelry
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and get cash advances in casinos and racetracks in Las Vegas, Atlantic City. Was it Donald Trump?
00:27:02
Those are all his spots. Probably. Well, it says, I didn't notice this before, it says Las Vegas, Atlantic City,
00:27:09
and Foxwoods in Connecticut. I don't know what that is. Foxwoods is a casino and a lot of comics do shows there.
00:27:16
So if you live near Foxwoods. Is it like Dirty Dancing? I have no idea. All I know is that I hear comics going like, oh, I'm going to play Foxwoods.
00:27:23
I'm doing Foxwoods. And it's apparently a cool gig. Oh, cool. Okay. Yeah. That's where I'm vacationing this summer.
00:27:28
Get up there. They ended up netting, whoever stole it ended up netting over $7 million.
00:27:34
Jesus. Uh-huh. Wow. And that's 90s money. That's 90s money, which now we know is worth $31 million.
00:27:44
So the Secret Service, the FBI, and of course, you know, the fucking superheroes of the world,
00:27:51
the U.S. Postal Inspection Service. Yes. Were involved in the investigation. And it turns out that some of the fucking very baggage handlers that Sue names as harassers in her diary
00:28:01
are indicted on those stolen credit card charges. Okay. How does that connect? Let's find out.
00:28:06
Right now. Right now. The ringleader, he's described in court as the initiator. Northwest was a dude named Joseph.
00:28:13
In 1989, before her murder, obviously, Sue had filed a complaint and got him fired for six months, which doesn't seem like a punishment.
00:28:20
Well, that's not being fired if he came back to the job after six months. He was suspended.
00:28:25
That's exactly right. Just like your mug says. So he retaliated with some of the worst harassment against her.
00:28:33
um he's fired again when the subpoenas are handed down in the credit card theft cases
00:28:38
in august 1992 and reportedly told people he thought listen all of this is alleged can i do
00:28:46
i can i just blanket that now oh i thought you were saying that's what he said no guys this is
00:28:51
allegedly no everything i'm saying about him he hasn't been charged with any crimes okay well
00:28:57
that's important yeah that's important but he was the credit card stuff was real yes okay that's all
00:29:02
real but the here we go okay uh he told people he thought sue was a snitch who ratted them out to
00:29:07
the authorities so he thought she was the snitch for the credit card shit oh in reality sue actually
00:29:12
had no involvement in this whole thing and had never been asked to assist the investigation
00:29:16
but of course they didn't know that or didn't believe that um so over the next few years 30
00:29:23
well 37 people including 10 northwest baggage handlers are convicted on federal charges of
00:29:28
participating in the stolen credit card ring. So 10 of those people that Sue was being harassed by are fucking part of this credit card ring
00:29:36
that they think she's fucking smashing on and then gets murdered. Okay, another baggage handler mentioned in Sue's diary is Robert, who she had a brief
00:29:45
affair with. And after that affair ended, Robert started getting super hostile towards Sue and threatening
00:29:50
her new boyfriend and Sue. And when the subpoenas are handed down for the credit card theft he gets the fuck out and transfers to an airport out of state And then he just gets probation because he testifies He got a three prison sentence for that credit card theft he gets the fuck out of there and transfers to an airport out of state And then he just gets probation because he testifies he got a three year prison sentence for that credit card bullshit Okay So as for the night of Sue murder they like
00:30:09
maybe this is connected, the authorities think. So this dude, Robert is questioned about his
00:30:13
whereabouts that night. And he's like, yo, I was at that out of state airport that I work at,
00:30:19
working at the airport and I had no contact didn't talk to him at all but years later he's
00:30:26
indicted on three counts of perjury and two counts of obstruction of justice after they found out
00:30:31
that they find his time cards and prove and phone records and prove that he's not working that night
00:30:37
and another point is before she left for the sandwich run around 1 a.m sue had received a
00:30:42
telephone call at work from an unidentified person who wanted to meet her supposedly so like someone
00:30:48
luring her out. Right. So Robert is convicted of obstruction of justice for lying to a federal
00:30:53
grand jury that was investigating Sue's death. He admitted he lied to his whereabouts the weekend
00:30:58
of her death, and he was sentenced to 18 months in prison. And then, of course, a federal appeals
00:31:03
court ruling in Rob's case reveals that in 1998, the investigators had named Joe as a possible
00:31:10
suspect in Sue's murder. And evidence cited showing that he had blamed Sue for the disciplinary
00:31:15
action against him years earlier. He had vandalized her car. All of this is allegedly
00:31:19
vowed to get revenge against her and accused her of being a snitch in the credit card
00:31:24
investigation. So all these fucking things. But since then, there has been no further action in
00:31:29
Sue's case. Oh, yeah. It's fucking cold still. And still open. Sue's mother Marlene is tenacious
00:31:36
as fuck, just like her daughter. And she's never backed down in the fight. She's like
00:31:40
up front and center fighting for her daughter's justice. And she says she definitely thinks somebody set her daughter up
00:31:48
and thinks that the anonymous call the night of her murder was from someone her daughter trusted,
00:31:53
who lured her from the airport to kill her. And since Sue's murder, Marlene, every single year on the anniversary of Sue's murder,
00:32:02
Marlene holds a vigil at Logan Airport. And you see her, she's carrying a sign with Sue's photo on it,
00:32:09
reminding people that this woman who worked here and was last seen here was murdered and
00:32:17
advertising a $250,000 reward for information leading to the killer's arrest. Wow. And I watched
00:32:24
a video about it. And she says, quote, I'm very, she says, I'm very, I'm a very healthy woman.
00:32:29
She's getting older. She says, I'm a very healthy woman, and I'm not going away. You're going to
00:32:32
look over your shoulder until the day that I go, but I will get you and I will get justice for my
00:32:37
Susan. And then, so here's a footnote, if you want to cry. Remember, Sue wanted to be a cartoonist?
00:32:45
And had been a huge fan of Charles Schultz. He drew a Snoopy, especially for her,
00:32:53
that adorns her gravestone. No. He drew it for her to get on her gravestone. Oh my god. So if you look it up,
00:32:59
you can see it. Because she was such a huge fan of his. I know. That's awful. Sorry. No, I mean,
00:33:07
But that's that. I mean, like, I just was on an unsolved murder, unsolved mysteries, because they people want information still to this day, still fucking unsolved. It's one of those ones in the back of my mind that every, you know, for the past three years that we've done this, I've always thought of it, like, I need to do that one someday. So it's not okay. And that's, it's kind of nice that we have this podcast where we can like call attention to these insane cases, like the one we did last week of Colin Pitchfork, where it's like, how is this person spending less time in jail?
00:33:36
than the person's life who he killed. He killed a 15-year-old, and he's getting less than that time that she was alive in jail.
00:33:43
So it's nice to be able to call attention to these fucking insane cases where the suspects are still alive.
00:33:49
There's still time to fucking prosecute them. There's got to be more info on them.
00:33:53
There's got to be people now willing to talk. It's a new fucking, it's a different era.
00:33:58
And so that video of the mom with the sign and talking about the reward, that's still current?
00:34:03
Yeah, as of the past year or two, yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, that's great. Yeah.
00:34:08
So that's the murder of Sue Taraskowitz. Wow. Yeah. I got this story from friend of the podcast, true crime reporter Billy Jensen.
00:34:19
Fuck yeah. And he reminded me of it. And then I remembered. And also, we talk about Wikipedia a lot on this podcast.
00:34:27
Please don't forget about Murderpedia. Oh, my God. Because Murderpedia is more dedicated.
00:34:33
and they also need money, five, one, five and ten dollars at a time. Please support Murderpedia.
00:34:39
I feel like I use them just as much. I use them a lot. And they do that thing where it'll just be like seven articles in a row.
00:34:46
I love it. There's not a ton of like this, this, this, this fact. It's just article after article.
00:34:50
Articles and chronological timelines, which helped me a lot. So anyway, I looked this up on Murderpedia to get the details.
00:34:57
And one of the first things it listed on there was that this case was featured on the E-series Curse of the Lottery.
00:35:07
And then I remembered seeing it. Holy shit. With your own eyeballs. With my eyeballs.
00:35:13
And then I was like, oh, this is such a sad, fucked up story. I got to tell Georgia.
00:35:19
I didn't know that was a show. And I don't know the story. And I'm here for it. Okay.
00:35:22
Thank you. Your presence is required. It is basically the whole point of this podcast.
00:35:28
It's the podcast. We talk to each other. You have to pay attention to me. Yeah, I think this show, Curse of the Lottery, is from a little while ago.
00:35:36
I bet. But the story is crazy. So basically, on November 15, 2006, 41-year-old Abraham Shakespeare was a food delivery driver, like a truck driver.
00:35:51
So I think it was more like for the grocery store type of food. He was making an hour and he had in his wallet Oh my God He and his co Michael Ford were headed toward Miami They stopped at a Town Star convenience store in Frost Proof Florida
00:36:07
Sure, where we all go for summer. For summer. After we go to the Fox Glove. A Fox Glove casino.
00:36:14
Then we head down to Florida to Frost Proof. To Frost Proof. And we get some popsicles that don't have ice on them.
00:36:21
um so the two truck there the um they stop the truck they go into the town star convenience to
00:36:27
buy drinks and cigarettes sure and when michael ford gets out of the truck i said they get out but
00:36:33
ford gets out and he asked shakespeare if he wants a soda and shakespeare says and don't buy
00:36:39
me that get me two lottery tickets hell yeah hands him that last five dollars out of his wallet
00:36:44
um so uh i just can picture him saying it in like a shakespeare soliloquy forsooth or something like that yeah the look at the look of the something you know
00:36:58
that's all i got the look of the really wide pants right um so that week the florida lotto
00:37:05
jackpot was 30 million dollars and abraham shakespeare fucking won it all of it he won
00:37:10
$30 million. You said $300. No, I said $30. I heard $300. Did I say penis? No, no, no. Did I say $30?
00:37:20
Holy shit. He fucking wins in Frostburg, Florida. Can you imagine? $30 million. You know Vince and I play regularly?
00:37:28
Regularly? Regularly? You can't win if you don't play. That's exactly right. It's almost like
00:37:32
they should use that as their quote. It's almost like we play regularly. My mom has played
00:37:36
every week since I was a kid. My whole family plays. Same numbers every time? Yes, because there's, well, she does a couple different systems.
00:37:44
Okay. But she's always got them stuck on her refrigerator. And it's like, there's one where it's everybody's birthday.
00:37:49
My mom does that. Yeah. It's really sweet. She'll do like this number, this number, the year, da, da, da, and all three of your birthdays.
00:37:56
I mean, because also it's going to be so sweet if that pays off. Yeah. That one time where it's like.
00:38:02
So, yes. Yes. I think that's, I mean, that's the fun of the lottery. Yeah. Now, the other way to look at it, which is my favorite Craig Anton joke, is the lottery
00:38:10
is like a tax for stupid people. But it does go, actually, in California. I don't know.
00:38:16
It goes to fixing the roads. Schools, I meant. Fixing the road on the way to school.
00:38:22
That school road that's so bumpy. You know, that the kids all learn on. Right? To drive.
00:38:27
They learn math on. Okay. So now he's a lottery winner. Everybody thinks that that's the dream come true.
00:38:33
Yeah. But as we learn in the E-series, The Curse of the Lottery, it's rarely fucking true.
00:38:39
See, this big fucking HGTV show where this fucking dude takes these new lotto winners to their new home, like shows them homes to buy.
00:38:50
I'm not explaining this well. Is this real? I swear to God. Stephen, will you look up at the fucking...
00:38:54
There's a new show called, like, You Won the Lottery, Now Here's Your New Mansion?
00:38:57
Yeah. Buy a mansion with all that fucking lottery winnings, it's called. how aspirational and satisfying would it be to watch that show it's great this is right this
00:39:07
this yep my lottery dream home look at this guy the name of the host he's fabulous oh my gosh he
00:39:14
should be one of that jacket made of gold it probably is he he looks like one he should be
00:39:19
one of the um fab five of uh where i david bromstad love you david and so he's just like
00:39:26
this staircase leads to another safe. He's fabulous. Wow. But every house is in Las Vegas.
00:39:32
And it's like they won and it's a number that you couldn't buy a house for in LA.
00:39:37
All still too low. Sorry. No, no. Because see, that's the thing is that everybody's like,
00:39:44
there's been a couple series, I think about winning the lottery, because then there's some
00:39:47
people who they do fine with it. They're probably people who have a little bit experience with money
00:39:51
or at least have learned some smart people. You can be anonymous to exactly. But what
00:39:56
when you don't have anything your whole life and then suddenly you get $30 million,
00:40:00
it's very, right. It's very easy to mismanage yourself. And to, uh, like I did the first time I had a large sum of money paid to me when I first
00:40:10
moved to Los Angeles. I got your first, your first entertainment industry job. That was like stupid money jobs.
00:40:16
To me, it was stupid money. Now it was zero money. Wow. And I was like, the rent's on me,
00:40:22
everybody. Let's do this thing. I mean, cartons of cigarettes for all my friends and fake cigarettes for my other friends.
00:40:31
Okay. For your fake friends. So Abraham Shakespeare, the thing about him is he's a really good person.
00:40:37
Great. So he immediately is like a party at my house. He buys a new house. Okay.
00:40:45
So he does the thing. He has the choice between the one-time lump sum cash payment of $17 million.
00:40:52
Take that. or 30 annual payments of 30 million. So a million dollars a year. Take that one.
00:40:58
Two or one. I would pick, let's see, he clearly fucks up. So I'm going to say what I would pick and do the lump sum.
00:41:05
Yep, that's exactly right. Okay. Yes, he does it. Now that we've named our podcast network that, I hear myself saying it.
00:41:12
I didn't realize I say it that much. We do. Okay. So he goes lump sum 17 mil. And then here's what he buys.
00:41:20
he moves out of his working class neighborhood in lakeland florida yeah and he buys a 1.1 million
00:41:25
dollar house in a gated community in north lakeland see a florida 1.1 million and there's the income
00:41:32
tax thing they don't have which is why all these professional wrestlers live there is that right
00:41:37
yeah that's an insane amount of money for a house there right i'm sure yes 1.1 yeah for for sure um
00:41:44
The only other things he buys are a Rolex from a pawn shop and a Nissan Altima. Oh, my God.
00:41:50
I love him. And then he starts lending his friends. He pays for everything He has people at his house He lets people stay at his house He lends money hand over fist He pays for people funerals He he there one guy that owed him People are dying around him
00:42:06
and he's just like, I got this. I got this, you guys. Yeah. It's not a round of drinks at a bar.
00:42:10
Holy shit. There's one guy you were going to say, but a one guy owed him a million dollars.
00:42:14
What? Like he lent somebody a million dollars. Yeah. So it was the kind of thing where I'm sure
00:42:19
he had a lot of guilt about winning or like having that money. Or didn't want to become
00:42:24
a monster yeah so he over did it right so he he has this house where basically it's a non-stop
00:42:30
party and there's these people all all over the place well after a while of course he starts
00:42:35
confiding to like his close friends and family members that he is miserable he was happier before
00:42:41
before he won the lottery and then he just wants to get away um yeah so basically april of 2000
00:42:49
of 2007. It's like a year later. Well, yeah, it's, it happened at the end of, uh,
00:42:55
2006, November. Holy shit. So it's like, yeah, it's basically five months. That's a lot of money to spend in a very short amount of time.
00:43:02
Yes. Um, he, in four months later, Michael Ford, the guy that was with him the day he bought that winning lottery ticket,
00:43:10
tells him he wants at least a million dollars. But of course, Abraham Shakespeare is like,
00:43:16
yeah, no, I'm not giving you a million dollars because you were there. And he goes, fine, I'll sue you.
00:43:20
And he takes them to court claiming that Abraham actually stole those two tickets out of Ford's wallet and that they were his tickets that were stolen.
00:43:31
Yeah. So on October 19th, 2007, they go to court. And it takes the jury a little over an hour to rule that Abraham Shakespeare did not steal that winning ticket and that he doesn't owe Michael Ford any money.
00:43:45
Sure. But the money at this point is starting to run out as it will paying for funerals.
00:43:52
It tends to do that. All that stuff. Yeah, it goes. You spend it and it's gone. Oh, the guy that he gave a million dollars to was known only as Big Man.
00:44:04
There's no actual name. When I meet a guy named Big Man, I just want to give him money.
00:44:08
You're like, buddy, I want to bankroll you as a human being. Okay, so in October of 2008, a 40-year-old woman named Dee Dee Moore reaches out to Abraham Shakespeare.
00:44:18
Now, Abraham Shakespeare has basically locked himself in his mansion. He's had to kick out all these people.
00:44:25
His generosity has gotten him nothing but more problems. Well, then this woman named Dee Dee Moore shows up, says that she's writing a book about how people have been taking advantage of him as a lottery winner.
00:44:36
So he starts telling his story. And she must have been an amazing psychopath because within she she convinces him to let her be his financial advisor.
00:44:51
No. And within three months, she the ownership of Abraham Shakespeare's home had been transferred to a company called American Metal Medical Professionals.
00:45:01
Fake. Right. And that turns out that's D.D. Moore's company. Shit. So she basically convinces him that he won't have to pay taxes if he puts his money into an LLC.
00:45:14
And it's called Abraham Shakespeare LLC. So it's basically she starts a corporation for him.
00:45:19
Okay, but it's under her name? Well, no. In the beginning, it's under his name. She says, put your money here.
00:45:25
You won't have to pay taxes. You won't have to pay child support. You won't have to do it.
00:45:29
She's basically. Everyone, don't try to get out of paying child support, please.
00:45:32
Or taxes. I'm sorry. I meant taxes for child. Well, you're... Fuck the government.
00:45:38
Sorry. You're about kids first. But all of the... It's like, especially when you're up in this amount of money, they're paying attention to
00:45:46
every dime that you spend. And eventually, she moves into his house. The title of his house is signed over to her.
00:45:53
Nope. So, yeah. So, we're having a problem. Well, it's not signed over to her, though.
00:45:57
It's signed over to American medical professionals. They're professionals. Doctors everywhere.
00:46:03
Okay. So Abraham Shakespeare is last seen in the Lakeland area in April of 2009.
00:46:09
And later the police find that he last used his cell phone on April 6, 2009. But even though no one knows where he is and he disappeared and he's not at home, his family is getting texts from him saying that he's just laying low.
00:46:23
Don't worry about me. Well, they think that's weird because Abraham never learned to read or write.
00:46:29
He dropped out of school like in junior high. and so they're like uh maybe he's getting someone to do like they're just like like he had never
00:46:36
text before so then suddenly they're like yeah they're they're just kind of like something's off
00:46:42
because he just is gone i was thinking about how you should go out more because if people get
00:46:46
if someone kills you and starts writing hey i'm just gonna stay home tonight text people they'll
00:46:51
believe it oh yeah they won't be like thanks for laying that out in black and white sorry sorry
00:46:55
No, I've actually made that joke before that in every true crime show, they go, I knew something was wrong because that night she didn't call me back.
00:47:04
I could tell she was home and she didn't answer the door. It's so unlike her where I'm like, oh, my God, I can just picture my dad going, yeah, I simply don't hear from her for weeks at a time.
00:47:12
I text her. She doesn't respond. I'm super funny. She won't say anything to me. She can't explain her whereabouts.
00:47:21
So we didn't know anything was a mess. and I'm laying in a ditch like god damn it if I was only more polite and I should have been an
00:47:30
extrovert why am I a hermit I deserve what I'm getting okay so that November Abraham's cousin
00:47:38
files a missing persons report because he's like okay it's been long enough he would have either
00:47:42
come back connected made an actual phone call or whatever um he explained to the police they were
00:47:47
hoping that he had gone to the Caribbean because he had been saying he wanted to do that
00:47:53
basically since he won the money. He wanted to fuck off. And because they were getting those texts, it was almost that
00:48:00
of like, well, this is weird, but at the same time, at least we're hearing from him.
00:48:03
Yeah. So best case scenario. But then his cousin said they were just like, no, something's wrong.
00:48:09
So on November 12th, 2009, detectives go interview Dee Dee Moore because they find that she's
00:48:16
right in the center of all of his business. She's everything signed over to her.
00:48:20
She's living in his house. They're like, all right, we're going to have a chat with you.
00:48:24
She explains to them that she started the corporate account for him and that she was
00:48:29
paying him in cash out of that account basically because she was better at business and she was
00:48:34
you know going to be the one she was this financial manager look i have a company that has the name
00:48:38
professional in it right that's how you can tell it's me the one who should be in charge of your
00:48:43
money because of the name of a thing i made up um she denies having anything to do with his
00:48:49
disappearance um but she explains she took over his assets which at the time were like 3.5 million
00:48:56
dollars plus the mansion plus all the money people owed him which counted because she it was their
00:49:02
plan of getting people away from him uh asking him for money right he's like i don't even have
00:49:07
control over it yeah she's old i put dd in charge i met her three months ago um she also claimed
00:49:14
that she she set things up the way she did because shakespeare didn't want to pay child support and
00:49:22
because he had a drug problem and he would just use the money for drugs so that's why she took all
00:49:28
of his stuff and didn't pay him there's no all the money goes into her that account and then
00:49:33
doesn't go back out yeah she takes his she sets up abraham shakespeare llc and then takes his name
00:49:39
off and it's her account now and then when the cops are like so anyway let's walk this day and
00:49:45
then she's like yeah no he wanted that's what he wanted yeah he wanted me to have everything that
00:49:49
leopard print couch I bought that's over there. He supported me in all of my choices. So this is
00:49:55
where around this time is where our friends over at Web Sleuths come into the mix. You guys. And
00:50:02
this is no, this is the Billy Jensen element because he's, he's all about that. All the twists
00:50:07
and turns. I forgot about Billy. Oh my God. So on the Web Sleuths board, somebody posts a news
00:50:14
article about a missing Florida man who named Abraham Shakespeare, who had won $30 million in
00:50:20
the lottery, blew through most of the money and now had disappeared. So the citizen detectives,
00:50:26
of course, dig in and they see that he's hired D.D. Moore as the financial advisor. So then they
00:50:34
start going into her financial and property records and posting them on the site, noting
00:50:41
that her bank account reflects that she has come into a lot of money recently. How do you find that?
00:50:47
It's that shit they do that they're so good at. Oh, you bet. Like, this is their jam.
00:50:51
I hope they only use their powers for good and not evil. Just want to put that out there.
00:50:55
Yeah, please, let's everybody stay above board. Stay off the dark web. Come on. There's nothing good that can come out of it.
00:51:00
Please. You don't need to buy that arm. You don't need more photos of feet. You can get those anywhere.
00:51:08
Go to wikifeet.com. So gross. Google my name in there. Okay, so February 21st, 2009, they find Dee Dee Moore has bought a 2008 Corvette for her boyfriend for $70,000.
00:51:22
Jesus. She paid with a cashier's check from her American Medical Professional's business account.
00:51:29
It's a write-off. Yeah, right. A month later, it's a tax break. A month later, she buys a 2009 Hummer for $90,000.
00:51:37
Holy, a Hummer's more than a Corvette? Yeah. girl yeah anything about 20 grand more once you get over two grand that's the most i've ever paid
00:51:45
for a car like at once is 1600 i think because hummers are like you can shoot an ak-47 into the
00:51:52
side of them and be fine they're talking to endazers who are like yeah we need to keep safe
00:51:57
mad max shit yeah yeah whereas in a corvette you're like oh the sunroof's off i've been killed
00:52:02
okay so this is amazing so and so and she buys a house there's it's all this stuff and they're
00:52:09
just like, well, this is interesting because here she is and here's all her shit and his
00:52:13
money's gone. So once all these posts start going up, somebody logs onto WebSleuths and begins to defend
00:52:21
DeeDee Moore, offering up even more incriminating evidence against her as they're trying to
00:52:27
defend her. So, of course, our citizen detectives track the IP address of the defender down.
00:52:33
Of course they do. And lo and behold, it's DeeDee Moore. It's so stupid what people think that people can't get away.
00:52:40
Like, you can't get away with this shit, dude. No. Don't fucking try. Don't try.
00:52:45
It's so dumb. And also, it's that thing of, which I think, especially in the internet age, we find more and more, is people, you don't know what you don't know.
00:52:53
Yeah. So you're going on the web source like, I got this. I changed my IP address.
00:52:57
Well, they can see who bought that IP address, and it still leads back to you. Dee Dee, unless you work at MIT in the computer lab, I wouldn't go up against the web sleuths.
00:53:07
Let's not. Let's not. Okay, so the citizen detectives send all of this to the police, obviously.
00:53:12
A couple days after Christmas of this year. This year? No, sorry, of that year. Great.
00:53:19
Big difference. Of this year, I was talking about 10 minutes ago. Remember when you told the whole story, that current story?
00:53:27
Yes, that was 12 years old. I'll never forget it. the bags of leaves in the living room i was like yeah we were both in the city but i'm the one that
00:53:34
found this brand new story they're like karen we hate to inform you you fucking idiot okay
00:53:41
a couple days after christmas 2009 got it dd moore takes abraham shakespeare's mother elizabeth
00:53:50
walker out to eat this is fuck devious shit his mommy yes his mommy and during the meal she receives a phone call from someone no who says it me abraham shakespeare just calling to say i fine so then she like oh he called me
00:54:06
everything's okay the next day the detectives uh interview abraham shakespeare's friend gregory
00:54:15
smith who it turned out was already an informant yeah i mean the he had a record and he was already
00:54:23
kind of there and he um they basically get out of him that he was paid by dd moore to impersonate
00:54:32
abraham and call his mother to say he's fine so since he's already an informant they're like all
00:54:38
right you did that you won't you won't get in trouble if you now wear a wire and we need to
00:54:44
get this woman and we need to get some good information from her he's like i want to help
00:54:48
he was my friend he loaned he loaned was this guy big man gregory smith he wasn't big man but he did
00:54:54
loan him 60 grand holy shit so he said like i'd been a part of it but i realized i needed to do
00:55:00
the right thing and help so um so basically they say you need to get close to her and get good
00:55:07
information and thank god they did because a month later uh dd moore asks gregory smith if he knows
00:55:13
anyone who'd admit to law enforcement they were responsible for killing abraham shakespeare
00:55:17
for money. And Gregor Smith's like, yeah, I do. Let me get back to you with some names. Hundreds and hundreds of people.
00:55:26
Hundreds and thousands of people. Hundreds and thousands. Because she was like, is there somebody that's like
00:55:30
a prisoner that'll just do this? Right. I'll take the fall. I'll give their family money.
00:55:34
Yeah. Free and clear. Right. On January 21st, 2010, an officer named Mike Smith goes undercover as a guy
00:55:43
who will admit to the murder for money. Fun. A.K.A. the dumbest man in the world.
00:55:49
Not the actual officer. That's someone who would do that. Exactly. You're not calling Mike.
00:55:53
I'm not calling Officer Mike Smith of the Lake Wales, Florida Police Department the dumbest man in the world.
00:55:58
Never would I do that. You're calling someone who would, whatever. Yes, we get it.
00:56:02
Do we get it? Don't we? So, so DeeDee agrees to pay him 50 grand to confess to law enforcement that he is responsible.
00:56:12
um and mike smith undercover tells dd i'll do this if you just tell me where you put his body
00:56:21
yeah at that moment that she didn't go huh yeah why do you need to know that as a prisoner i wonder
00:56:27
well it's that it's the um it's the cocky confidence of i'll never get caught so i never
00:56:33
i'm never suspicious yeah because i'm so fucking cocky i'm masterminding this yeah i'm a true
00:56:39
psychopath. I'm not going to get caught for this shit. I'm a mastermind. I'm the smartest person
00:56:43
on the planet. Look. So January 25th, DeeDee meets back up with Gregory Smith who's working with
00:56:50
undercover cop Mike Smith and she shows him the concrete slab in the backyard of her ex-boyfriend's
00:56:58
house and she says he's buried underneath there. Oh shit. She also gives Gregory Smith the 38
00:57:06
Smith and Wesson which she used to kill him she did it yeah i guess spoiler alert um so immediately the cops go to that location
00:57:18
they excavate that concrete slab and uh they find underneath they find abraham shakespeare
00:57:27
the body of abraham shakespeare is buried underneath his concrete slab he's been shot
00:57:31
twice fucking concrete slabs man it's such a dumb idea so what happens is they get her uh dd
00:57:38
Moore's ex-boyfriend. Yeah. They interview him and he says that Didi called him during the first two weeks of April asking
00:57:45
to dig a hole in the yard. As you do. As one would because she needs to bury concrete and trash in it.
00:57:53
Uh-huh. He digs the hole and he leaves. Oh, he had no idea. He had no idea. I thought that was going to have your body in it.
00:57:59
She calls him back two hours later to fill the hole back in. And he tells police because it was nighttime, he didn't see what was in it.
00:58:06
So he just filled it in and walked away the end. Sounds about right. Yeah. Sounds on the level.
00:58:10
So on February 2nd, 2010, D.D. Moore is arrested and the judge sets her bond at a million dollars.
00:58:18
And then she's charged with first degree murder. She pleads not guilty. And December 10th, 2012, is when the trial starts.
00:58:28
And at the beginning of the trial, the judge Emmett Battles. Oh, my God. Amazing.
00:58:34
Can you see him? To me, he looks like Colonel Sanders. To me, he's a Civil War reenactor.
00:58:39
Yes. For sure. So we got mutton chops on all sides of the head. During the week, it's like having a mullet.
00:58:49
It's like, and you're in a business suit. Yeah. But you have mutton chops and you're, I don't know where I'm going with this.
00:58:55
It's just something. You were seeing a vision in your head of Evitt Battles and you were talking through it.
00:59:01
I like it. He tells the jury, you can convict her on a lesser charge. Don't do it.
00:59:05
Don't do it. so so they they start the trial dd's attorney tells the jury that um she was just trying to
00:59:13
help protect abraham shakespeare and his assets okay from a pending child support case um when
00:59:20
in the middle of all that he was killed by drug dealers who no one's looking for because they're
00:59:25
attacking her unfortunately detectives had found cctv footage of her buying plastic sheeting and
00:59:33
duct tape. I don't care what you're actually doing that's on the level. Don't ever buy that
00:59:37
shit. No, you know, leave your duffel bags at home. Yeah. Like all of it. Duck. You certainly
00:59:45
can't do it in combination. No. Do zip ties, duct tape. Don't. You know, we have zip ties all
00:59:51
over the house and it's making me really uncomfortable because we use them for the
00:59:54
live show banner Oh I probably gonna have to call the cops I wish you would I don know why anyone hasn yet quickly okay so that a bunch of bullshit everyone knows it immediately then
01:00:05
they're just like here's her doing all this crazy shit and also here's a detailed record of the
01:00:11
finances and where it went and how it went there and are you stupid and thanks web sleuths and
01:00:17
thanks web sleuths at one point this is just a side fun fact at one point dd moore is briefly
01:00:22
banned from the courtroom over concerns that she may have threatened jurors oh dear dd don't double
01:00:30
down at this point please she didn't give a shit um but she came back a short time later for closing
01:00:36
like sorry sorry sorry guys i i won't kill your family pinky swear um the jury deliberates for
01:00:43
three hours before dd moore is found guilty of first degree murder she's sentenced to mandatory
01:00:49
mandatory life without parole. Yes. That's that verdict you're always looking for.
01:00:54
And following the verdict, the judge calls Deedee, quote, the most manipulative person
01:00:59
he's ever seen. And he describes her as, quote, cold, calculating and cruel. Wow.
01:01:05
That is the story of the murder of Abraham Shakespeare. And watch that curse of the lottery.
01:01:13
Yeah. It's really it actually goes into much more about how giving and kind he was and how
01:01:19
Except for to his kids for child support. Well, we don't know. Do we? We don't know the details of it.
01:01:25
Because actually, $5,000 was paid to Abraham's ex-wife in the name of his child.
01:01:33
Okay. So we don't know. I'm not judging. You're about to spill coffee on Stephen's equipment.
01:01:39
Let's not take what Deedee tried to say. I actually also just love the name Deedee as a villain from Florida.
01:01:48
Well, it's fucking Dee Dee Blanchard, too. That's right. Dee Dee's our bad news, which is one of Dottie's nicknames.
01:01:57
Yeah. She's a good girl. She does her best. She does her best. Tries very hard. Twists and turns.
01:02:03
Right. That goes to show you, take the yearly payout. Take that yearly payout and make your own corporation disappear.
01:02:12
I love also the idea of just naming your corporation like Karen Kilgariff LLC. like you can make up anything yeah or like just put the word professional in it just put how about
01:02:24
professional professional professionals ink oh that's good why don't we name our podcast network
01:02:29
professional professionals well uh we'll call some people we'll change it shit man twists and turns
01:02:34
right that's a good one what's your fucking hooray for this week hundreds and thousands
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australian cookies of all kinds uh let me think actually let me think you have one yeah you want
01:02:47
me to do mine i would love you to do yours well i have two but they're both the media ones that we
01:02:52
like first of all um my friend told me to listen to a podcast it's from wondery and it's called
01:02:59
gladiator oh i'm listening to that are you listening to it i am is it because i told you to
01:03:04
no god damn it um it is uh it's called gladiator and it's about aaron hernandez who was one of the
01:03:11
new england patriots and he ended up going to jail for murder uh well just listen to it because i was
01:03:17
just going to spoil the hell out of it. But it's a really, really beautifully done podcast
01:03:21
at Wondery by a team of people. And here's the thing, and maybe newspapers are onto this already,
01:03:29
but if they're not, please tell them. This is the way that newspapers can come back.
01:03:35
Because like all those, like from the Australian, the Teacher's Pet Series, now you've got this one that's out of the Boston Globe.
01:03:42
There's the Bear Brook podcast that I love. That's, uh, is from a newspaper too.
01:03:48
Is it? Mm-hmm. Um, yeah, this one is the Boston Globe, the spotlight department,
01:03:53
which is the one that did the big expose on the molesting priests. Oh, I listened to,
01:03:57
uh, there's a podcast about that. No, nope. That's something different. Never mind.
01:04:01
So, so basically it's a, it's the spotlight department where it's the investigative department,
01:04:07
but now they're fucking making podcasts. So they take Skip Hollingsworth on this fucking beat.
01:04:11
Yeah. from Texas Monthly? Maybe. But my thing is that kind of investigative journalism,
01:04:18
it transfers directly to podcasting. Totally. That's it's beautiful. And the person that
01:04:23
hosted I'm sorry, I don't know his name offhand. But he is a reporter from the Boston Globe
01:04:27
that is basically hosting his own research. And it's a beautifully done thing. There's a whole
01:04:34
team of people. It's great. Listen, there are think pieces everywhere. Right. And then the
01:04:38
other one is just it was recommended to me on twitter um about two weeks ago it's a netflix
01:04:44
series called dairy girls oh yeah it's about a group of high school girls in belfast in the 90s
01:04:50
and it's fucking hilarious and beautifully done and i love it so much and please watch it if you're
01:04:57
in the mood for something fun okay i'm gonna do it do it um let's see oh so you know how i told you
01:05:04
back when we recorded in December about the hashtag that I had gotten from Jen Gotch that I
01:05:11
stole her idea of showing your meds in your hand. Yeah. And then hashtag it. Someone suggested my
01:05:16
favorite meds. And I was like, this is great. And then people started stolen, actually.
01:05:21
From us? You're like, no, you're taking Jen Gotch's thing. I'm like, now it's my thing.
01:05:25
Well, my favorite meds. She put the meds in and I was like, that's a great idea. And I did it. And
01:05:30
I said, I got it from her and then let's hashtag it and show her fucking meds off.
01:05:34
And so people have been doing that. And I've been reading all these beautiful like stories of becoming, you know, realizing
01:05:39
you need help and all this stuff. And it made me realize that my meds aren't working the way like reading all these people,
01:05:44
like their accounts of how much it's helped them made me realize my shit's not helping
01:05:49
me. Yeah. So I went back to my psychiatrist and I'm changing medications. It's going to take months.
01:05:53
It like a fucking long process But I doing that And it so funny that I copied Jen and was like this is a thing And then I like Oh I like I got something out of it too
01:06:05
Yeah, that's a big thing to get out of it. Yeah, that's huge. Yeah, everyone was like,
01:06:09
my life has changed. I do this, I do that. And I'm like, I still feel pretty fucking shitty.
01:06:13
Yeah, I thought it was just like, I that's what I get. And it's not. well and also i think so much has been going on in your life yeah that this it's normal to feel
01:06:24
stressed it's normal to feel scared it's normal to be overwhelmed right um that then you can't
01:06:31
there you don't you're you don't have a normal um stasis or whatever they would call that anymore
01:06:36
yeah how can you tell the thing of like well my my baseline of everything is fine is not other
01:06:42
people's baselines of everything is good so it's like yes you're doing much better and you feel
01:06:47
better than you wouldn't if you wouldn't be on meds but that doesn't mean that that's where you
01:06:50
need to settle yes you know it's like you can you can strive for more than that so i'm striving
01:06:55
for zoloft to make better than effects or that's awesome yeah are you gonna get the zaps if you go
01:07:02
off effects that's why it's taking a very long time to do it you have to slowly so slowly yeah
01:07:06
that makes sense yeah yeah well good though yeah great bucket great and also great that that
01:07:13
something like that uh we you don't have to feel weird about any of the shit anymore
01:07:20
never there's no need it's so funny that you don't i didn't realize how many people
01:07:25
were ashamed of it or didn't talk about it or it's like so natural to me yeah that i didn't
01:07:30
even think to talk about it right because it's normal yeah because who cares it gives a shit
01:07:35
make fucking strive for your best and also i remember one time saying something out loud about
01:07:41
my therapist at it at my dad's house and my cousin who was there was like what and he the reaction
01:07:47
he had was so weird and instead of like being offended or ashamed or anything i just remember
01:07:52
sitting there going oh no you poor thing well like it's not 1945 no like you don't as scary
01:07:58
as the idea of it might be to you don't negate people or like totally don't try to make people
01:08:04
feel bad who are trying to make themselves feel better shaming you i i just in the beginning felt
01:08:10
weird about being like, oh, well, mine invents as therapists because it, you know, in the beginning,
01:08:14
it was like, oh, I'm telling people that we have a bad relationship, which is the opposite. We're
01:08:18
going so that we have a better relationship. Right. And starting from a good point instead
01:08:22
of starting from the fucking bottom. Everybody has to learn how to communicate. Yeah. That's
01:08:27
just how it is. Oh my God. We've, it's looking back at how we communicated, which was just to not
01:08:31
make the other person feel bad. So we never said what we wanted because we just don't want to hurt
01:08:36
each other. It just didn't work. So that's, that's horrible. Yeah. So yeah, when I when I
01:08:43
now I don't give a shit, I say it all the time, like our therapist just normalize it.
01:08:47
Well, and also, I think those the standards by which people judge things are so stupid, like
01:08:52
what people post on Facebook about their family, which is like, yeah, that there's no bigger red
01:08:57
flag than when people are consistently like, we're having the best and we love each other.
01:09:01
And where it's like, why, why are you doing that? Where it's like, it doesn't, that doesn't make it happen.
01:09:07
We know your baby just had an explosive diarrhea out of its diaper. That's the fucking reality.
01:09:12
The reality is half the time you hate the person that you're married to. Oh no. Sorry.
01:09:18
I mean, like the reality is life is hard. Yeah. You fuck up, they fuck up and then you fix it.
01:09:25
It's all about fixing it and moving on and getting stronger because of the fix. Totally.
01:09:31
Totally. I didn't make that up. That's why you and I go to therapy together. Exactly. No, seriously,
01:09:36
because we, we, as much as we get along, we are absolutely opposite people. And our therapist says
01:09:43
we are the perfect triggers for each other. Yeah, we absolutely are. Yeah. And there are things that
01:09:48
like, if we didn't have a person, it's not even like learning to go like, you need to be nicer,
01:09:54
or you need this. It's like the bigger lesson of your intent is not the same thing as the impact
01:10:01
what you do has. And that lesson is humongous. And your reaction is coming from a place of fight or flight,
01:10:08
not from conversation or from working shit out because it, or the present because it's triggering.
01:10:13
Yes. If you're triggered, you're in a year in like 20 years ago, you're doing a totally different thing and you need help.
01:10:19
We all need help with relationships. Yeah. Yeah. They're fucking hard, man. I mean, I'm the expert because I'm divorced.
01:10:31
So please listen to everything I say. Did you guys go to therapy ever together? I can't talk about it.
01:10:37
Great. She signed the non-disclosure agreement. She got child's $5,000 in child support and peace the fuck out.
01:10:44
And he's buried in my backyard. Stop it. I always wonder what that concrete slab was.
01:10:51
No, that's decorative. You told me you were putting your trash in there and it came over one night and filled it with concrete.
01:10:56
This is my concrete slab that I have concrete buried underneath. I couldn't see anything.
01:11:01
Yeah, because I only invite people over in the dark. Damn it. I feel bad. Listen, I understand.
01:11:09
We'll talk about it in therapy. So I feel really angry at Georgia because she feels bad.
01:11:15
Karen made me bury a body and I just feel like it's triggering. But was it a body or was it concrete?
01:11:21
I'll never know. Dump your concrete under this concrete slab is what Dede tried to tell.
01:11:27
Honey, please. This is where I dump my concrete. Lady. Uh, thanks for listening.
01:11:34
Thanks to Stephen Ray Morris for so many edits at fucking 11 o'clock at night, the night before we're posting.
01:11:40
Stephen. Thank you. Stephen, do you know, we love you. We love you, Stephen. I think we need to start thanking Stephen.
01:11:45
I think those people do that at the end of podcast. This has been brought to the edited by so-and-so and brought to you by the music by Karen Kilgariff.
01:11:51
Okay, do it, do it. I just did it. Oh. Music by Karen Kilgater. Special thanks to Stephen Ray Morris for the fucking editing and shit.
01:11:59
Right. For the amount of editing that doesn't even make sense. Or like, can you please put that back together?
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