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Goodbye. this is all I could manage and it was because it's going to make my life easier on the road
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yeah but now I fucking hate the way my hair looks and I wish I hadn't done it of course but that you
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know why because it's permanent and you're trapped in it but it looks super cute thank you it's an
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interesting also counter thing to your like when you have that cute dress on today but you have
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that hair it's cool it's doing the job you wanted it to do okay but i'm sure it's like getting a
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perm or like what the fuck yeah it doesn't like vince keeps obviously not divorcing you
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vince keeps obviously not saying something but you know what i mean yes but that's also the thing of guys are scared because he if he knows
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you don't like it a little bit he's afraid to walk that line and go off into the forest of i said the
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one thing and now she's going crazy or like it too much and they're like well what do you mean
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you like it like this yes there's a lot of ways to he just keeps saying it's it's a different look
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god bless him it's a different look oh no god bless him is that recorded hello and welcome to my favorite murder you guys we're back
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in reality again back to life this is reality right back to reality i feel like this office could be a like portal we could be dead let's hope we're not
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because we have so much to do tomorrow morning. I felt like a businesswoman this week, which kind of is fun.
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I feel like that's what when I was a kid, I was like, Barbie's a businesswoman. Yeah.
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You know, and now I'm Barbie with my stupid Brazilian blowout that I hate. Describe your hair to people.
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To me, it's just so basic bitch. It's like somewhere between basic fucking bitch and like a heavy metal rocker.
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Hello. I remember when like the heavy metal rockers would have like, like, um, what's his name?
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Lita Ford. Yeah. But I'm talking about a dude. Oh, yeah. I guess Lita Ford or like, um, yeah.
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Oh, Axl Rose. Yeah. It's just so stick straight that I feel weird. And I look more like Liza Minnelli than I ever have.
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I feel like it's just a lot of face for me. I think I like, I need a balloon of hair around my face to, to frame it.
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And instead, this is so flat that it's just like, here's your face. Yeah. That's I empathize.
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I have cut my bangs in a way where people had no choice to stare at my big fat fucking face.
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It's a terrible feeling to feel exposed to feel like you've painted yourself and do a style corner.
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It does not look like that. It's super cute. It's also very different for you. Yeah.
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Because you're usually doing like a half finger wave bob number with a this and that.
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Yeah. A little bit of back comb. And every time I look over at you, it looks like you're about to go like with an electric guitar.
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And I fucking love it because then you're also wearing like a little cocktail dress.
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So it's a fun. I think if you would fold in a combat boot with those cocktail dress number, you could really get a my 20s look going.
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That would be very satisfying. How about if I paint a fucking lightning bolt across my face?
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Okay. Are you with me? Just separate from the hair? Yeah. How about you start doing that?
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How about I get a tattoo? Please, let's get into face tats quickly. Please, immediately.
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I'm going to get a little mustache right over my actual mustache. What if you got, you know how finger mustaches are really popular for a while?
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What if you got a finger tattooed over where your mustache is? Some weird fat finger on your upper lip to be like, look.
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Yeah. Remember the mid-2000s? Right. That becomes trendy. Oh, let's, let's start that.
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Let's start it. Let's start it. Let's pop it off. Um, what do you, do you have anything?
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Yeah. Okay, great. Um I have pressing information from weeks ago Of course I would say this is my headline I said the Netflix series Dairy Girls takes place in Belfast Okay The whole reason it called Dairy Girls is because
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it takes place in Londonderry, which as many very patient Irish and Northern Irish murderinos
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have let me know, aren't really even that close to each other. Great. How are you supposed to know
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that without looking at a map. Look, I've looked at these maps. I've even been to this part of
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Ireland. But I think Northern Ireland, I say Belfast, and it's over. I didn't even really
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realize there were other cities to talk about. Even though I'd watched the series, saw this
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little sign that said, Welcome to Londonderry or whatever the hell it is. There's a bunch of
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identifiers like you know why it's called Derry Girls. If there's a contingency, I think that is
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after you. Yes. Coming after you. Okay. And from Ireland and we love it. As well as
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everywhere. New Mexico. From inside of your own head even. That's where they're getting me the worst.
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That's a rough one there. It's very true. So apologize. I mean apologies to yourself. You guys go
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apologize. Not me. To the great people over at Dairy Girls which is if you haven't seen that series I
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I watched it because someone recommended it to me on Twitter. Loved it so much. It's so funny.
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I just adore it. And then it ends beautifully, and I hear there's going to be a second season.
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Yay. So now we'll all know exactly where it's coming from and be so much more. We'll know where we are on the map.
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Yes. It'll be great. We'll all take a pin, and we'll pin it on the map. I'm going to have Stephen drop a pin into Londonderry.
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You know what we should do with this wall of the office? This gray. It's kind of depressing.
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It looks like an asylum. well yes is have a map of all the places we made mistakes sure or are going to make mistakes yes
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that's right it'll be the solar system on one side um speaking of speaking of netflix so we got a lot
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of like asks like did you guys watch the ted bundy documentary right right so i was like i better
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watch the ted bundy documentary i watched two episodes and i was like why am i so angry and
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not enjoying this. And I usually am interested in Ted Bundy shit. And I realized it's because I have
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to hear his fucking voice. And that's the point of the show is to hear him talk to a reporter,
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right? And I fucking hate him so much. Yeah. And I don't want he's already he's said what he's
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gonna said by say by murdering a bunch of women. That was his side of the story. That's right.
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Why are we? He's a fucking megalomaniac. He's a fucking known liar. Why are any and and it's not
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diabolical he's a little pussy who got fucking intimidated by women and wanted to be famous and
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the only way he could do it was by by killing women because he's so into like why are we listening
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to him and his side of the story i'll tell you my theory is because same with me i don't want to
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watch it because i don't like watching killers talk about their craft and all that bullshit
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that totally that's all that elevates it's the actor inside the actor studios for fucking
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mirrors. Exactly right. And, but I think that was that thing at the time they went, oh my God,
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we don't know what this is. We have to get this out. We have to get it. He is too. Right. Well,
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it's that thing of people fall for this so much. If you're good looking, that means you're good.
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Right there. It's this, it's the most basic mistake human beings make. We all do it.
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You get, you give credit to good looking people. You think they're good people. You think tall men are great leaders and you'll do whatever they say. That means you're kind.
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Yes, it means that you have no agenda and you're just being right. There's all these ways that we want things to be that simple.
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So I understand recording Ted Bundy to go look at this monster in this shell of the he almost looks like a British lit professor.
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He's so like patches on the elbows and look, I just want to talk about this stupid fucking smirk.
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I mean, yeah, but well, just for me, that's it's for other people to look at. I don't want to hear him because he's not a truthful person.
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You're not going to get anything from it aside from being massively creeped out.
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And what I like is Billy Jensen kind of in the wake of that and the trailer coming out for the Zac Efron Ted Bundy movie.
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Billy Jensen is fucking putting his mouth where his money goes. He is. He has created a thread of the Ted Bundy victims talking about each one of them individually.
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I retweeted it on the My Favorite Murder Twitter feed, and you can find it. I'm sure most people follow Billy Jensen.
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He also, I just saw this. He also just posted that Bundy confessed to murdering eight other women in all these different cities.
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He said, maybe it's bullshit. But to the medical examiners in those states, if you have female remains from the air that you don't have funds to process,
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Direct message me and I will help pay for the extraction and familial search to give them back their names.
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Yes. Billy. We love you. Billy. Tell us how to help you. Look, listen, you're going to have a podcast on our network.
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And we love you. Was that an Easter egg teaser? Easter egg teaser. It's not even a tease.
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It's like the whole thing. But so and I also wanted to say that I'm really looking forward to a friend of the podcast, Celine Beth Calderon.
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And she's doing a documentary called Theodore, where she just interviewed that they interview people who experienced him and survived the survivors and all this shit, which I'm really like, I like that part.
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It's interesting to me. Yes, because that's what that's where you're going to get a real story is the person and rule style.
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The person who sat next to him, we went to dinner the other night and my friend Denise had just read A Stranger Beside Me and she's so mad at Anne Rule.
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She's so mad at Anne Rule for falling for Ted Bundy's act. but I was like, but that how good he was That how evil it is And whatever That why it so amazing I think it because he was able to fool and fucking rule And rule an ex a fucking investigator like the whole thing
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But yes, the documentary you're talking about, that was the girl that was in the front row of our show that time, right?
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Who came up, we picked her and she came on stage, remember? Yes. What show is that?
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I think it was in Texas, if I'm not mistaken. Or Portland. Or Salt Lake. It would have been Salt Lake.
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Um, but the, the people who lived through it, the people who can sit there and go, here's
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what it looked like when this lunatic was coming through my window. That's, those are the only people I want to hear.
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Totally. Or here's even the psychology and this not to fucking totally disparage this documentary
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because it's actually really good and interesting. But whenever Ted starts talking, I get angry.
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Yeah. Pissed off. Like I wrote three pages of fucking scratch. Listen, I had some fucking Rose.
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I'll admit it. but uh yeah i wrote all this crazy insane rambling um go follow theodore documentary
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on instagram or just look for the theodore documentary i know there's a um it's theodore
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the documentary and i know there's a trailer for it and they're still making it and i'm really
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excited i can't wait yeah yeah i can't wait for that to come out i'm gonna do a weird thing real
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quick i keep hearing my fucking overalls jangling so i'm gonna undo them so the one at home is like
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what the fuck is that noise? What is that? Why are they wearing a small bell? Oh, I do have another thing.
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Okay. So we had the great privilege of doing a live show specifically for TNT's new limited series,
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I Am the Night, directed by Patty Jenkins. Which right now we're not being paid to say.
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That's right. This is just talking about it because we lived it. Directed by Patty Jenkins of Wonder Woman, starring Chris Pine and also executive produced
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by Chris Pine. Hooray for Chris Pine. But when, during that live show where we were,
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at some point in like five years, we should release the unedited version of that live show.
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Absolutely not. No fucking way. We're burning it to the ground. Steven's going to release it.
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I think time capsule wise, it could be a good one. I lost my mind personally at the top of that show.
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I was so stressed out. But, I mean, it turned out so fun and amazing, but it was a little bit crazy. So, um, at one point I said,
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I was talking about what was happening around the case and I referred to something and I called it
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espionage. I almost got away with it. And then Georgia's like, did you mean to say it? And it
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was, no, no, no. It was the wrong word. I want you to do that. Well, that's all I ever do. So I
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was probably was so excited that you did it. Yes. Have at, um, but I couldn't until,
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somebody on Twitter named at Silly Celia C-I-L-L-Y-C-I-L-I-A she tweeted me the day after it came out or the day
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of it coming out and said is the word you were looking for subterfuge and I was like yes yes it was
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that's amazing I would have never fucking guessed that right what a great word let's all use that in our daily lives
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can you tell me the meaning of it subterfuge just means like trickery and secrecy and kind of like
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you don't know what's going on because someone's being submarine subterfuge subterfuge i think so
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someone else also wrote in and said were you looking for the word intrigue which probably
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also would have fit good one why don't we use those words more we will now i'm intrigued by
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the subterfuge of the fact that we don't use those fucking words did i use that goodness
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you did amazing and quickly and quickly because i'm so smart well so thank you thank you thank
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you all for uh thank thank you for that and also for all the people who came it was raining so hard
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in LA that night it was kind of like cool romantic-y because we were looking to watch a
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fucking thing about the Black Dalio which is the show's about yeah it sounds like we are now
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integrating ads into the podcast we are not I swear to god we're not this is the difficulty of
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when you start doing stuff like this because it's what we really did but it's also a commercial
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so you know look this is listen this is where we are uh this and this is brought to you by
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jefferson mays was the actor we interviewed at the end of that live show who was the greatest
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a joy i mean just the most interesting person to talk to a delight um support him and all he does
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he's also in the battle uh the ballot of buster scruggs oh right on netflix i haven't seen it
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Anyway. What else? How was your day? I spent most of it with you in meetings. I know.
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In an uncomfortable dress. We got to the dentist last night even. At nighttime? Yeah.
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You can do that. No, Georgia, you can't. Was I tricked? Is it a home dentist's office?
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Basement. No. It's an attic. It's an attic's dental office. Right up. It's in the Soden house.
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Yeah. Where Dr. Hodel used to live. That's right. Well, that's good. You got something taken care of.
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Yeah. Let's have a new corner and we call it errands. Taking care of business errands.
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With TZ's. I bought paper towels. I'm proud of you. That actually is hard. Because you can't.
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You don't want to carry it. No, totally. Can I tell you what? I didn't even think about telling you this.
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So I met. I quit the podcast. I put all our money in my name. And I'm going to Aruba, Jamaica.
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So the other day, Sunday, I met up with my dad real quick for lunch. And he got to talking about the books.
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I gave him a copy of our book that pre because he's special preorder. You can preorder it.
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You don't have it. Gave him a copy. He says, I have some notes. Oh accuracy notes or just overall Both OK And it was really I going to save the piece of paper he wrote on forever because it it so Marty It notes on on like page this you wrote that
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And it was also clarifying some shit about my life that I didn't like, that I wrote about
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that I didn't know that he, in the book he was like, cause I write about my parents a
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lot. It was crazy. Yeah. Was it a helpful thing? Was it like good to hear it? Yeah.
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Oh my God. Yeah. I had this fucking notion for years that was false. Wow. Yeah. I think that happens a lot.
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Yeah. So hard stark that my dad had notes for my fucking book. I mean, I have to send,
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I, I swear to you, it's too late. If I send my dad, well, yeah, exactly. But if I send my dad,
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my book, he's going to go, can I get it on the Kindle? Like my is as supportive as my dad is.
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I can feel it. That's, that's kind of how we are. Yeah. Killgarers. It's like, you have to feel what we're doing.
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You can't really listen to what we're saying. It's like an ESP thing. Yes. And having watched,
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it's a, well, kind of, it's like, yes, it's like you have to be connected on a different level because there's,
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there's a couple things going on because of the shame issues. We can't really do things directly.
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It's always a weird sidebar. So it's like, if I'm really proud of you, I need to insult your sweater.
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It's that kind of shit I grew up with where I'm like, Oh, thank you. so i think i just realized as we were talking about this like i think if i handed my dad a book
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that had my name on the front of it he would lose it but that would be he would have to have that
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reaction of like oh i can't use this other room and yeah yeah start shopping he would later on
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when i wasn't there he would tell other people how proud he was of me and then my sister would
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have to loop back third hand because your dad's really proud of you god forbid yeah she's mad
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about it so there's a little bit of a there's a little tone to it you know dad's real proud of
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dad's talking about your thing again we're like i'm a school teacher but dad's real proud of this
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book you barfed out i'm the person that's doing that's keeping america's children together for
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eleven dollars a day yeah thanks so much thanks karen thanks thanks for you and your friend my dad
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did text me listen i'm this just sounds like i'm bragging now because my dad is a sensitive
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person you know that but he texts uh hello i'm crying he cried he cried during the book
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multiple times and he said i think ray bradbury would be proud of you and then i barfed oh right
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onto the book on my phone but he texted it and there was probably an emoji it's fine i i was
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saying to my therapist the other day, this, this, um, you know, as much as like things feel crazy,
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whatever we talk about this maybe too much, but, but that also it feels very vulnerable.
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And so there's this kind of like tension that I feel like is getting much better now that we have
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like, you know, people in place. Now that we've, um, we've cloned Steven. Exactly. Now that we've
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hired a staff. We put a Steven in here and a Steven over there. Steven's no longer the full
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staff. Vince does this. Yeah. Okay. We have more support. Yes. But that feeling of vulnerability
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is something I've worked my entire life to not experience. Yeah. I'm a standup comic. I do it
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by myself. I don't rely on other people. You were really good at that in the beginning.
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When all I was like, love me and trust me and let's cry together. oh i'm your best friend now i mean what an experience but it's just like then you just
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have to go too bad yeah like too bad that's the that's the exchange we get this fun cool experience
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and we have to be the most vulnerable stripped down it fucking works better when you're vulnerable
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it's better sucks it sucks it's hard it's um yeah it's like kind of flexing your bicep all day long
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is what it feels like to me where I'm like, it makes me want to freak out. And I just can't once in a while you can.
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All right. Well, yeah, go, go. We have a merch store at my favorite murder.com. You can buy shirts and lots of cool shit.
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There's a fan cult at there as well with extra special things. You can join and we're building out the extra special things that the fan cult gets all the time.
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So, you know, don't join now. just know that the future holds many wonderful surprises for example since we have we're um
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we've been paid to mention it twice the tnt i'm the night live show it was only available to the
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fan cult right so shit like that where it's like well we have a show we have to fill it it's like
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tickets aren't tickets are free let's tell the fan cult about it and yeah so it's stuff like that
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00:26:14
Because if we go by I Am The Night, then Georgia, you would be first. Yes, I want to be first.
00:26:19
George Hodel. All right. Great. We go by that. I was going to say no. And then you said that.
00:26:23
And I'm like, yes. Yes. I'm going to go first because I want to. There's so much fucking information in here.
00:26:29
And I need to get out of my brain or I won't listen to you. Okay, great. I understand that feeling.
00:26:34
Also, I just cracked a can of wine. Let's do this before I get shit faced. Boom.
00:26:39
Get ready. I have a koozie. over this can of wine. We watch wrestling koozie. Yeah.
00:26:45
So for all you know, this could be a can of vodka because you can't see the label.
00:26:49
That's right. And hey, Smirnoff, why aren't there cans of vodka out there for me?
00:26:53
I need a can of vodka. Let's make that great merchandising. Okay, so fuck. I first heard about this case recently
00:27:01
on an episode of one of my favorite shows, Cold Justice. Yes. So fucking good. What's cold about it?
00:27:07
The cases and the weather because they're usually, wearing coats. It's all back east.
00:27:14
It's like a double entendre. It's cold cases, essentially. Cold cases and the...
00:27:21
Stephen, blow your nose. Do you want a tissue? Oh, sure. I don't have one. I have a used one.
00:27:29
I have a used one. So Cold Justice, it's this fucking badass prosecutor named Kelly Siegler.
00:27:35
She goes to small towns or big towns or wherever that have cold cases and they have a case that they need help with.
00:27:41
She starts it from the very beginning and they try to figure out who fucking cold cased that shit.
00:27:46
Yeah. So she does it for this one. I've never fucking heard of it, even though there's something about it
00:27:51
that you will know. Oh. So I'm going to tell you this and then I'm going to get into it.
00:27:56
So this is the murder of Kathy Page. But let me start with this and you'll fucking understand.
00:28:02
Okay. So about nearly 30 years ago, this dude is a writer from the UK. He is on a Greyhound road trip across the U.S. to like see the sights, smell things, you know, taste stuff.
00:28:17
While traveling through this town called Viter, Texas, it's about 100 miles from Houston.
00:28:22
He spots three billboards off the I-10. Uh-huh. The three of them read. One reads Viter police botched up the case.
00:28:32
Second one reads waiting for confession. The third says this could happen to you.
00:28:37
Mm hmm. And so that writer and then director, of course, is Martin McDonough. Yes. Who made last year three billboards outside of Ebbing, Missouri. Yes. He said he always he couldn't remember where where it was that he saw it. He didn't he he assumed it was a woman because it broke his heart and seemed like a mom kind of thing to do. Right. He was incorrect, but it always stuck with him. And then he kind of made the characters from there.
00:29:03
Okay. So basically, that was his imagined version. Yeah. And you're about to give us the real.
00:29:09
That's fucking right. Oh, shit, girl. Nice. This is three billboards outside of Viter, Texas.
00:29:14
Okay. So here's the real story. Very early in the morning, about 4.30 in the morning, on May 14th, 1991, 34-year-old Kathy Page was found in her car in the driver's seat.
00:29:26
And the car is stuck in a ditch. It appears to be a car accident. It's about 100 miles, no, sorry, 100 yards from her house that she lives at with her now estranged husband and two young daughters.
00:29:39
I think they're like nine and 12 or so in Vitor, Texas. Her body is found at approximately 5 a.m. by, it says a paper boy, but I think it's just like a newspaper delivery service.
00:29:51
So it's not as sad as it sounds. It is. Okay When investigators start to look more closely though they get there immediately and they like this doesn fucking look right This is not a car accident They like this is staged So basically she is in the driver seat of her car sitting stick straight up But it face down in a fucking nose down in a ditch So her feet are planted on the ground her head is tilted back The soda that in the car has not spilled Her purse hasn even toppled over
00:30:23
oh so it's clearly fucking staged yeah um the car is barely damaged and um they also find a
00:30:30
blade of grass on the bottom of her jeans showing that at some point she had been in that grass that
00:30:36
was in the ditch oh right you know what i mean um and then the autopsy determines that she had
00:30:42
been strangled and she also had a broken nose and a black eye so something someone staged this car
00:30:48
accident. She also didn't have a seatbelt on and she was sitting up like that. So detective that
00:30:55
must have been so eerie to find that. Yeah. So detective Sergeant Mosley, he becomes suspicious
00:31:02
immediately. This is not fucking right. He walks a hundred yards up to her front door. And he says
00:31:07
that when her estranged husband, Steve opens the door, he looks over at the carport and then looks
00:31:15
down the road where this is all happening and says that his wife's not home. And he they told him that she was dead, that she had been strangled.
00:31:26
And he fucking goes into a fit, starts getting upset. He throws himself on the couch crying and all this shit.
00:31:33
But then the detective is like, when I saw his face, he wasn't crying. I want to know, do you think it's possible to be crying without tears?
00:31:40
Is that just impossible? It's like one of those things where it's like, you know, now we know that your reaction just might be shock or whatever.
00:31:47
What do we call it? How we don't judge people now. Oh, yes. There's no grief expectation of like what you're there's no right way to be told how a wife's been strangled to death.
00:31:59
Exactly. Yeah. So I wonder I this is probably fucking medical. We could ask a doctor tears like do they always come when you're crying?
00:32:07
Now, I am a doctor and I should have told you this about three years ago. Oh, shit.
00:32:12
Everything I say medically is pretty dead on. Oh, it's good to know. I would say this.
00:32:17
As a person who, because of the way my eyes are, light blue, any emotion that I feel passes through my face.
00:32:26
Like I can't, I can't, if I get misty about, if I watch a video, my eyes will turn red.
00:32:32
I've seen it. and even though I'm like fine if I have the feeling yeah it gets shown I I'm the opposite
00:32:41
where you're having it and nothing is and I have to be like I would cry right now if I weren't on
00:32:46
a ton of pharmaceuticals well so I think there are people who are on natural pharmaceuticals
00:32:53
i.e. being sociopaths where they know what it looks like when someone's upset right and they
00:33:00
know to make those noises and sounds. But I think if you're when they murdered their wife,
00:33:05
yes, but I think if you are in shock, you don't try to fake cry, right? You you sit there and
00:33:11
don't have a reaction. You don't fake anything. You don't fake anything. Yeah. I think those
00:33:15
people that cry, but there's no tears, which you see a lot these days is just mimicry and people
00:33:21
knowing this is what I'm supposed to do. Right now. Are there people that go? I know what I'm
00:33:26
supposed to do. And if I don't do that, I know these cops are going to think I'm in shock and
00:33:29
I have no feelings yet. I mean that you should, I would hope to think that if somebody that was as close to you as your wife
00:33:36
would be, that if you were told that they were murdered, you would either be in shock and none of that planning would be going through
00:33:43
your head. You wouldn't be sitting there going, what does this look like to this person?
00:33:47
And all that shit. You would just be having the reaction. I think that like blacking out seems like a norm.
00:33:52
Like we were just reading because someone left in my seat back pocket that thank you very much,
00:33:56
whoever the fuck that was. Yes. Maybe it was DL Hooghly. Hugh Glee, who we saw on the plane to Albuquerque recently.
00:34:02
That's right. That was very exciting. This the coolest motherfucker I've ever seen in my life.
00:34:06
He was the coolest motherfucker. And so many people walked by his seat and said something to him.
00:34:11
It was the cutest, coolest thing where you're like, oh, yeah, he's a stand up comic that's been busting his ass for years and years.
00:34:19
He's gotten shows. He's got he's been in movies. He's been in cool TV shows. Like it was it was really cool.
00:34:24
And then I just, I don't want to out him to TSA, but he, I noticed him first because he
00:34:29
had this really cool hat on, like hipster cool hat. And in it was tucked a single fucking strike anywhere match.
00:34:36
And I was like, A, that's the cool, like, that's just so cool. It's so good. B, anytime someone needs a fucking light, I bet you pull that motherfucker online at
00:34:44
three, you got through TSA with a fucking strike anywhere match in your hat. So, but that's when the government was shut down.
00:34:51
So I think, you know, we're lucky. We're lucky. It was just a strike anywhere match.
00:34:54
that's right and it's like you i mean listen yeah look do whatever you want um where were we oh yeah
00:35:01
i was gonna say so the people magazine where where the fucking daughter of btk is like here's how it
00:35:05
happened for me because she's got a book her thing was like she just started when she was told that
00:35:09
her dad was a serial killer and btk she just struck started just blacked out yes and fainted i bet
00:35:16
yeah that makes sense to me yeah because how do you take that in in a your reality would would just
00:35:22
crack everything and then you wouldn't even know where to like i feel like know how to sit down
00:35:26
that's normal for someone who loses a spouse unexpectedly and that they're actually connected
00:35:30
to but if you're not connected and you need to put on a show yes i think that happens a lot okay
00:35:36
so we got through that i don't know um so the investigator got upset no tears but he was quote
00:35:45
weeping um and we know a lot of the stuff because there is a trial later although it's not what you
00:35:49
think it is okay so Kathy let go back hey guess what Kathy and Steve they had been married for 13 years they had the two daughters as I said and Steve then tells authorities that recently Kathy had told him that she no longer wanted to be married to him And they were planning on separating He said she wanted to work things out But of course her sister her friends are like
00:36:08
she's wasn't happy for a long time. Steve slept on the couch, or she slept in her daughter's room.
00:36:14
She had recently got like a job, a real job out of the home for the first time and was going back
00:36:18
to school. And so she was 21. She got married, and she's now 34. And she's like, finding herself
00:36:23
and has friends at work. And she's fucking gorgeous too, by the way, that doesn't hurt.
00:36:29
And Steve was, according to Kathy's sister, that they wanting to stay together was bullshit.
00:36:36
Their marriage was over. Kathy was starting to move on. So two nights before Kathy was found,
00:36:41
Steve had moved into a condo on his own or apartment on his own. But the night of her death, Kathy couldn't find a babysitter.
00:36:50
She's calling around. Her sisters couldn't do it. So she called Steve and was like, can you come over and watch the girls?
00:36:55
And she told Steve that she was meeting her friend Charlotte in Beaumont, which was like 10 minutes away, for drinks.
00:37:00
And she left around 1115 that night. But the autopsy shows that Kathy had had sex that night.
00:37:09
And and then the authorities learned shortly before her death, she had sex. And then authorities learned that she had not gone to meet Charlotte.
00:37:16
in fact she uh charlotte admitted that she had agreed to cover for kathy by saying that
00:37:24
charlotte don't pick up the phone i'm telling steve i'm going out with you so if you answer
00:37:28
the phone he'll know i'm not out with you right and the reason is because kathy was actually going
00:37:32
to meet a new dude that she was dating who was staying at a hotel in beaumont so around 2 a.m
00:37:39
charlotte her friend is fucking fast asleep her phone rings she picks it up it's just like
00:37:45
just let's remember too it's like from a time of not having cell phones yes your phone is blaring
00:37:51
in the middle of the night this poor woman like in cold justice she talks and she fucking obviously
00:37:55
blames herself for this whole thing oh no it's so sad answers it immediately hears a hang up
00:38:01
and is like oh no i just outed my friend it's later revealed that on the piece of paper
00:38:07
or on the phone book where charlotte's phone number is right underneath that was another
00:38:12
phone number and that was the hotel's phone number so he calls probably calls charlotte she picks up
00:38:18
he she's not fucking out with charlotte calls the next number it's a hotel knows what's going on okay
00:38:25
yeah so um okay so the autopsy report again shows that kathy had had sex that night and they and this
00:38:33
is obvious but it kind of blew my mind that they can tell that whoever she had sex with had had a
00:38:37
vasectomy oh which is obvious because there's no sperm right but like i'm also like wow yes yeah
00:38:43
that's fascinating isn't it um her boyfriend that she was seeing hadn't had one and he passed a
00:38:49
polygraph with flying colors it's definitely not him like we know it's not him so that means she
00:38:54
had sex with another guy guess what steven had a vasectomy a few months earlier so um here's the
00:39:01
thing about this case and about Viter is that everyone on either side who thinks Steve did it
00:39:09
or thinks he didn't agrees that the cops, the investigators fucked this up royally. And I'll
00:39:16
give you proof of that because the crime scene with the car and Kathy in it, and they take all
00:39:22
these crime scene photos, later find out there's no film in the camera. What? There's no film in
00:39:29
the fucking camera there's not a single crime scene photo of this case okay but nope no buts
00:39:35
there's you can't fix this how like even uh even if you're even if you're it's your first week
00:39:44
it's like a joke i make a lot when are this is there film in there right now and also a camera
00:39:49
like the way those i would assume the camera i'm thinking of the kind like that they used to use
00:39:54
that would have like film film in it makes a noise it makes a noise it's also like it sometimes you
00:39:59
can see the yellow through the little window 100 and they're definitely lighter when there's no
00:40:04
film in that yes like a some a slightly interested photographer would be like this is it right and
00:40:09
this goes to the other big thing which is there's this conspiracy theory i'm into the conspiracy
00:40:14
theory because you don't want it to be real that someone would just forget the fucking film right
00:40:18
but there's other things too like so they go up to his door right like right after they find her
00:40:22
It's like like between four thirty and five in the morning. They don't bring him or the two sleeping daughters in for questioning.
00:40:30
They don't secure the scene. They don't ask if they I think they ask if they can come in.
00:40:34
And he says no, because he doesn't. He says that other friends of mine have had evidence planted by these cops around here.
00:40:40
So they don't they don't get a search warrant. They don't try to get a search warrant.
00:40:45
They don't photograph his face or hands to see if he has scratches. I mean, they don't do anything.
00:40:50
yeah it's it's it's even if there is conspiracy theories that are true they also were fucking
00:40:57
incompetent well i also think it's that thing or they botched this they botched this because if
00:41:03
it's a small town in texas they've had no experience that's right with like a murder
00:41:08
and a murder cover-up and all those things where it's like oh no go down to steve yeah yeah that's
00:41:13
that problem that small town problem was like oh i know that guy it's fine well they both admitted
00:41:17
later in this trial that they were acquaintances of his. Yeah. So they knew him. Yes. Which is part
00:41:21
of the conspiracy theory. But, you know, there's just the theory. Yeah. I mean, there's no conspiracy.
00:41:29
Yeah. You just have theory left. Yeah, that's right. So then they bring, they bring Steven,
00:41:33
like two days later and question him. And he's like, Oh, yeah, actually, Kathy and I had he
00:41:39
volunteers that they don't even ask him Kathy and I had had sex before she went out that night,
00:41:43
which gives him a reason why his semen would be there. He says that he, she was getting ready to go out again.
00:41:50
They had split. They, he had moved out two nights before. So how much do you want to fuck your ex who like you just kicked out of the house Right I mean I broken up with people and I had who I kicked out and I hadn had sex with them for like a year
00:42:05
Right. Right. Yes. So he sees her in a towel coming out of the shower. He says he tries to have sex with her.
00:42:11
She agrees. They fuck in the living room on the rug. That's his story. Okay. Where are the children?
00:42:17
What? I guess they're in bed already because it was late. Okay. Whatever. I mean, look, we all also know, like, you can think of a thousand times where you're just like, oh, I never fucked that person again.
00:42:27
And then suddenly are. So, I mean, you can rationalize so many things. She's going to see her new hot boyfriend, too, in a hotel room.
00:42:35
Right. No, I know. And maybe she's also like, you know, he'll be suspicious unless I do this.
00:42:40
Is it true? I mean, there's yes, there's a million ways to to there's a million possibilities.
00:42:45
Right. But okay. So when Kathy is found in the car, she doesn't have on makeup or jewelry.
00:42:52
It had all been removed. But the dude she was meeting said she was in full makeup and had like an outfit and jewelry on when he saw her.
00:42:59
So that suggested that she had been home after visiting the dude. She left the hotel room around 2.30 in the morning.
00:43:06
It suggests that she went home, took off, did her nighttime routine. I was listening to Southern Fried Crime.
00:43:12
And she talks, she says this really interesting thing that I totally caught on to, which is like, you know, in every lie, there's some truth.
00:43:20
Yeah. Well, Kathy's Kathy's habit was to come home, take off her makeup, her jewelry, get in the shop, put up her hair and get in the shower.
00:43:27
So Steve saying he saw her in a towel after a shower could be true. It's just later.
00:43:32
Yeah. He approaches her for sex. He fucking knows she was just at a hotel because he called the number and is blaming her for cheating on him.
00:43:42
Right. essentially. Yes, is just probably pissed in general. And so the other thing is that that
00:43:47
blood is found, blood stains are found on her underwear and skin, but not on her outer clothing,
00:43:52
suggesting she wasn't wearing clothes when this when the blood happened. Right. So they said
00:43:57
Kathy Page was not killed in her vehicle. She was killed in another location, cleaned up,
00:44:02
redressed and placed back in her vehicle after the vehicle had been rolled down the ditch.
00:44:07
So they think he rolled the vehicle down the ditch, carried her body back in, probably put
00:44:11
her down in the grass, which is how the grass got on her jeans, et cetera. And fucking in Cold
00:44:18
Justice, they redo this because they have no photos to look at. So they reenact the whole
00:44:23
thing of how it would go. Is that crazy? Also, I wonder if a small town would even have a staff
00:44:30
police photographer. Is it like, go get the camera. Yeah, someone go get the camera. So
00:44:36
that could be a part but still it just doesn't yeah it doesn't seem right if you know enough
00:44:42
to take pictures of a crime scene if you know that much however i could see some 19 year old
00:44:47
new recruit that like take the photos and he doesn't know jack shit and just does that and
00:44:51
also the flash is going off you're like oh it's not happening totally totally um so so two days
00:44:59
after her body is found it's probably announced that steve was the prime suspect steve fucking
00:45:03
obviously this guy man he's a piece of work and he he there's an interview with him on unsolved
00:45:09
mysteries and you're just like oh you're referring to yourself in the third person and all you do is
00:45:14
say how this how her death has badly affected you and your career and you're like no he's a creep
00:45:21
yeah that's that's always like the seven red flags yes that kind of like this murder has impacted my
00:45:27
life really negatively these billboards that her dad put up have made you know it's like yeah which
00:45:33
is probably true but yeah he's a creep so he claims he's innocent um he says the proof part
00:45:38
of the proof that he can show that he's innocent is that after kathy was murdered he started
00:45:42
receiving phone calls and was threatened that the same thing would happen to him if if he
00:45:48
nothing the same thing would happen to him threatening him um he claims that it was he
00:45:53
he says that everyone knows around town that it was the murderer was actually a member of a
00:45:58
prominent Italian family in Beaumont and they're part of the Beaumont mafia. Oh, did you know that
00:46:05
Beaumont has a mafia? Is that Sopranos season six? I think I feel like I'm just getting to that
00:46:11
season right now. I think it's a spinoff of Sopranos. I mean, it's possible. No, it's not.
00:46:16
It's like not. It's not a thing. It's like that's the thing in Texas where if one Italian shows up,
00:46:22
everyone's like gather around everybody. We've got to get rid of this. That's right. Well, yeah.
00:46:26
Yeah. And in Southern Pride Crime, she's like, I tried to Google it. And even this story doesn't come up when you Google Beaumont Mafia because it's so fucking random.
00:46:35
Yeah. And that also sounds like something that Beaumont High School made up to call their football team or something.
00:46:41
You know what I mean? Where it's like, we're the Beaumont Mafia and we're going to kick your ass on Dale.
00:46:45
The goths in their trench coat. He sees like they're responsible for death and the police are framing me.
00:46:54
Okay, so here's another couple of reasons why we think he did it. So it's obviously Kathy's family, her big family, against Steve's big family, and they
00:47:02
contradict everything the other one said. Yeah. So in the very beginning, they didn't think Steve had done it yet.
00:47:08
They weren't suspicious of him. So the minute that the family finds out about her, the parents find out about her death,
00:47:16
he says that she broke her neck and it maybe was a suicide. he already knew that she had been murdered and he doesn't tell them he also suggests that she was on
00:47:25
cocaine she's not oh no he's fucking weird and saying some weird shit and then also they they
00:47:31
noticed that there's a square carpet cut out in the living room which he offers to police is where
00:47:38
that's the same place where they had had sex that night remember where they bone in the fucking
00:47:42
and why who cut it out who cut it out and why and also says that not only did we fuck there
00:47:49
but there was blood, Kathy's blood on it because she liked to shave her legs in the living room.
00:47:54
So, okay. Yes. Somebody at this point, if I was at the police station, I, would open the door and be like dude fucking knock it off knock it off this is no jail go just go get
00:48:07
in jail i you can't find a woman in america who shaves her legs in the motherfucking living room
00:48:14
or even if she does have you ever bled enough on the car like you don't you don't oh was she dry
00:48:20
shaving what what you know when you cut your leg and you just spurt blood all over the place and
00:48:26
You just kind of stand there. But the reason he says he got rid of the rug is because that he was carrying some fucking
00:48:32
grease from from fucking cooking fish. Fucking trips ran over to the spot where he has sex with his wife, spilled it there.
00:48:44
Oh, I mean, there's just pick one reason. And he gave them all. It was the Bermuda Triangle of their carpet.
00:48:50
That's right. And so he got rid of it. He also never would let the cops in. he burns that fucking piece of carpet.
00:48:59
He burns everything that he alleged. He allegedly said he tried to clean it. And her family said that they saw his family trying to clean that spot too.
00:49:06
Good God. And they're all, no, no, that didn't happen. Also, anytime you're entering into a burn area, you're in dangerous waters because the,
00:49:16
usually the innocent don't need to go burn stuff in the backyard. Absolutely. Although you guys, you and some of the people taught me, I'm from Orange County, which is
00:49:24
suburbia that burning trash in a backyard is a normal thing. Very much so. But you can only do it on a burn day.
00:49:29
So please call your comptroller and find out when the burnings are allowed. My favorite murder, if there's anything we're against, it's unlawful burning of trash.
00:49:40
Civics are key. Everyone. We're running for mayor of your city. When we learn to pronounce it.
00:49:47
That's right. So the other thing that was fucking creepy and weird is that all of Kathy's watches have
00:49:53
disappeared. All of them. So, and that didn't happen until after it was discovered that she hadn't been wearing any jewelry that night when she was found.
00:50:03
She had come home and taken off all her jewelry. Steve was probably like, I don't know which fucking watch she was wearing.
00:50:09
Let's put them all out of here. Yeah. And Kathy's sister says that she's like right after the murder saw Steve give his creepy weird lawyer friend, which they talked to in Cold Justice, a manila envelope.
00:50:21
He passes it off to him. It was bulky and it made a metallic sound. And Steve said that there was candy in it.
00:50:28
So whatever jewelry she's wearing that night, he probably put in a manila envelope, gave it to his fucking creepy ass lawyer friend.
00:50:36
He's going to cover him. He's better called Saul style lawyer. Exactly. He's Joe DeRosa's character.
00:50:39
The fucking vet. The vet. He gives people, does surgery on people. That's right.
00:50:44
also yeah this guy is is seems like he's not only only lies all the time but is terrible at it yeah
00:50:54
can i tell you the worst thing he did i was gonna save it but like when i saw him cold there's a video of in cold justice i'm sure there's a video that
00:51:00
steven can stay up till three in the morning fine i'm kidding because you know that's like what it's like nine o'clock right now flippant and this is like
00:51:12
Steven's reality. We're like the worst college class he's ever had to like cram for every Wednesday night.
00:51:18
Steven, we should let you know we're working on a new website where this stuff exists.
00:51:22
So you don't have to make it. Steven. It's true. We are working on artificial intelligence, Steven, where you won't even have to talk to us anymore.
00:51:30
Listen, you're a brain in Elvis's head. Just think about it. Steven, why do you fight us helping you by making you do more work all the time?
00:51:39
Here's the video. And it is one of the most. Here's the video Stephen's going to shoot for you.
00:51:44
He's going to reenact it tonight. I'm going to need a reenactment of this. It takes place in the daytime.
00:51:48
But look, Stephen, figure it out. We'll do it. Night shoot. Yeah, lights. Okay, so Kathy's family started noticing that at her gravestone, flowers were strewn.
00:52:01
Someone was fucking around with all the shit that they were leaving on their lovely daughter and sister's gravestone.
00:52:08
So they hire a fucking private detective. He goes and hides in the fucking bushes or whatever, videotaping.
00:52:16
And here comes Steve. And he punts the flowers on her gravestone so angrily and hard.
00:52:26
I had to pause it. I was. It freaked you out. It's an angry fucking person who's angry that she was fucking someone that night.
00:52:35
and and also who's so psychotic that her being dead isn't enough not enough it's like he still
00:52:42
can't be like yeah it's crazy he's he they have video of it so he claims it's because
00:52:48
you know he was mad at her family or they were putting plastic flowers on it and he didn't like
00:52:52
it sure but then they also show him scratching some shit into the fucking great gravestone he
00:52:57
gets down on his fucking scratches like it's insane yeah so i just i mean it's so troubling
00:53:04
so well and also just the consistent lying it's when people just constantly lie and lie to your
00:53:10
face do one thing and then are like i'm not doing that yeah i didn't i never told that person like
00:53:15
the person's there and they're like i swear he told me that yeah i'm not the liar right but you
00:53:20
can't if you say i'm not the liar you sound like a liar you're such a liar when i'm not i'm not but
00:53:25
i'm not the liar i swear it's that thing of like if there was a clone of you and that looked exactly
00:53:30
like you and they were like i'm the real georgia yeah you'd seem like the fake georgia because you'd
00:53:34
freaking the fuck out yeah in my mind listen but then you know what i would do here's how you'd know
00:53:38
i'm the i'm not the clown i know how say it you say i don't give a shit is that right
00:53:43
i mean that's not what i was gonna say but it's it's exactly right right um fine she can i don't
00:53:52
even care i gonna go i don even fucking care i was gonna say if you show me like a you know a duck being friends with a goat i you see my eyes go red and then you know that okay all right i gonna do next if that
00:54:07
ever happens i'm gonna know to do both it's so it's so much better though i don't care she can
00:54:12
she talk to the clone she'll do it better let her have it talk to the i don't give a shit
00:54:17
okay so about the conspiracy shit kathy's family thinks there's a conspiracy with the police and
00:54:26
the district attorney that they've been covering for steve and they'd let him get away with murder
00:54:30
it's knowledge it's common knowledge apparently that steve's parents are close with the chief of
00:54:34
police in but but uh in vider but at the same time it like doesn't really explain it completely
00:54:42
another theory that i heard from southern fried chicken thank you southern fried crime uh-huh
00:54:48
is that the dude that she her boyfriend that she was looking up with might have actually been a
00:54:53
prominent citizen from the town and in order to not because we don't know his name in order to not
00:54:58
you know get it publicized they just kind of shoved the whole case under the rug right
00:55:02
no fucking film they think that no film in the camera was conspiracy as you do and uh it also took the police three years to get to convince the district attorney
00:55:13
to issue a search warrant for the home what yes three years okay well then that is a can even
00:55:21
even in the yes it's a conspiracy simply because there's the what is what is it called it's the
00:55:29
due diligence or like you have to do things in a timely manner totally is that just court cases
00:55:34
are like it seems to me like investigating things yeah it's like all of us you can't just not do your
00:55:39
job when there's a a woman has been killed and it children have been had their had their mother
00:55:45
taken away right that's yes all of it that's disgusting and i hate to fucking spoil i spoiler
00:55:51
you at the end of a fucking cold justice the the kathy siegler is a fucking monster like she
00:55:58
I would not fuck with her. She's amazing. And even she can't fucking get them to get an arrest warrant
00:56:05
for him. And she gets so much information that he against him that she Oh, okay. You got to see it.
00:56:13
I have two more pages. Okay. Okay. So when this happens, it takes three years to get the search
00:56:20
warrant. So Kathy's father, James Fulton is like, I can't fucking deal with you people anymore. He
00:56:27
owns some land by the i-10 and he's like watch me bitch yeah he uh puts up all these billboards
00:56:34
um previous versions included quote and this is huge and you can see it online i believe my
00:56:41
daughter was raped while she was being strangled to death uh vider police botched up the case and
00:56:46
also one that said this could happen to you i think i already said that yeah another declared
00:56:50
this is orange county it's their texas orange county not mine um city of vider here you get by
00:56:57
with brutally murdering a woman the current sign put up in like 2012 or 2014 includes a picture of
00:57:04
both steve and kathy and it says steve page brutally murdered his wife in 1991 vider pd does
00:57:11
not want to solve this case i believe they took a bribe the attorney general should investigate
00:57:16
signed James Bolton, her father. Holy shit. Like, this guy's not fucking around.
00:57:20
And some people are, like, not into these signs at all. And obviously, Steve took the daughters, moved out of town pretty quickly.
00:57:27
But then they kind of grew up after that as orphans because he shacked up with a married
00:57:34
woman and sent them to his sister. They had to end up living with his grandparents.
00:57:40
I mean, it's really sad. Yeah. But in 2000, Kathy's family sued Steve in civil court for wrongful death.
00:57:47
The civil jury found that there was a preponderance of evidence that Steve killed his wife.
00:57:52
Wow. So they, that quote, found Steve Page, killed Kathy Page. And Steve was found financially liable for Kathy's death.
00:58:00
And the verdict was upheld on appeal, which is big. He was ordered to pay $200,000 to her family.
00:58:06
Wow. He was also convicted and fined and given probation for the desecration of her grave.
00:58:12
yeah so he's now 61 he lives in texas he's yet to be charged criminally for her murder
00:58:18
um his daughters were sent to live with family um they became estranged from him and sadly uh the
00:58:27
younger daughter i don't want to say their names but you can find it online uh she died of a
00:58:31
prescription drug overdose in 2011 at the age of 27 oh that's terrible i mean it's case remains open
00:58:37
and the father has spent more than $200,000 himself on billboards since the early 90s.
00:58:43
Wow. On his own land. He's now 86. Kathy's mother, Dorothy, died in 2012 without ever having a closure on this.
00:58:52
Kathy's father says, quote, This is my priority until my death to try and get something done.
00:58:57
It's not over with yet. I'm fixing to do a whole lot more than what I've already done.
00:59:02
And the surviving sister, who has a blog about this, She apparently she wrote about it.
00:59:09
She hated the billboards. And she said, quote, to me, this billboard is not about my mother.
00:59:15
It is about two stubborn, selfish men with too much guilt to carry. And that is the true story of three billboards outside of Evie, Missouri.
00:59:26
Wow. So the daughter basically feels like the billboards aren't that. That's just it's more about their fight as opposed to finding who did the finding.
00:59:36
who did it. So it's, I wanted to end on his quote because it's like, yeah, go get him.
00:59:40
But the daughter's the most innocent victim here and it's not doing anything for her.
00:59:47
Well, and also we know his point of view because we're getting the billboards say it.
00:59:51
He's, he's taken that action, but she's the one that is directly impacted and um and her point of view is as important Yeah And it is I mean what do you do though It it like what a terrible position where that
01:00:07
it feels like the only recourse that you have is putting up signs on your land. Totally.
01:00:12
That says this hasn't gotten taken care of. Well, at the end of this call justice episode,
01:00:16
you're just like, yeah, like that's all there is to do because no one is fucking listening and no
01:00:23
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01:00:32
Was it the same guy from when it happened? Like, don't know. Oh, sorry. All right.
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Goodbye. Goodbye. well mine um mine is one that i considered doing when we were in san diego um but it's so awful
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um that i didn't want to do it for a live show because it's it's just terrible i mean
01:04:17
obviously everything we talk about is terrible but this is um it's not only you know incredibly
01:04:24
terrible but i remember this this is one of those uh in like baseline on tv on the news crimes that
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nobody could believe like when it happened people talked about it and freaked out about it and
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it was just in the air and it happened when i was 14 so i have a very strong memory of it when
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your mind is grasping onto these fucked up things right and it was the san ysidro mcdonald's mass
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shooting oh man yeah oh man so there's a documentary called 77 minutes that is all about it and about
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the survivors experience there's a lot of survivors that speak in it and stuff it's and so if you want
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to know more this mostly most of the information i have is like straight up wikipedia but uh watch
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that documentary if you want to know get the real inside scoop because there are survivors that were
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inside and that speak about it. And it's, it's also one of those things, there was a time in
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this country, you know, where this never happened and people had no idea even how to respond. They
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didn't know what it was. I mean, it's so sad now that you think that there are people in the
01:05:38
generation below us. I mean, barely, I'm so young, that think that, that public shootings
01:05:46
is a normal thing when really it's really in the past for me like 10 years. Right.
01:05:51
You know when Columbine was this fucking insane thing that happened and never ever happened as far as we knew And now it like the norm Exactly shouldn we shouldn let it be normal I feel like you know people say that a lot like on social media
01:06:05
like don't normalize this and don't. And I always want to say back, it's not that it's, we are,
01:06:13
this country's in crisis and there's so much terrible stuff happening every day.
01:06:17
You can't be reacting to everything all the time. You go crazy. Yeah. And so like we don't have you see the next thing in 10 minutes. It's not like you have three days of news coverage to absorb it.
01:06:29
Exactly. And sometimes that makes sense. Sometimes the next thing in 10 minutes is another shooting.
01:06:34
Right. I think that's that thing. Like you heard about there's there's the guy that walked into the bank and shot five women execution style.
01:06:41
And that as you're processing that, then there's another fucking couple that killed all the cops in Houston.
01:06:48
That's right. Five policemen are dead. Um, then, then like immediately you, you'll hear about that
01:06:56
day where, um, you know, then 15 people were murdered on the South side of Chicago and no one
01:07:02
ever talks about those. And then people are like, don't talk about it because it makes the killer
01:07:05
want the notoriety. Yes. And so then you're making it, Oh God, it's just the, it's insanity.
01:07:11
It's insanity. It's insanity. And we need gun control in this country. Yeah. Um, and we've
01:07:17
needed it since uh the 80s just some rules we need some fucking background check the same kind
01:07:22
of background check you'd need if you got a fucking abortion or if you got a fucking driver's
01:07:26
license yeah basic shit just some basics but you know that's this is that's more of a political
01:07:31
that's not gridlock podcast that well no no i just i just mean it like if it were i think change is
01:07:38
coming because i think the children who are being directly affected by this are taking action in
01:07:42
ways that we aren't, it's not a sweet, I've never had to do a shooting drill at school.
01:07:49
So there, there are people that are being affected by it who are young and angry, who
01:07:53
aren't going to just go, Oh, that's terrible. Yeah. Because it's happening to them.
01:07:58
Amazing. And those people combined with the people who are in, um, underserved communities where
01:08:04
gun violence is like a de rigueur and who are like, we're just being murdered out here
01:08:09
and no one's helping us. I think it's like the wave of that coming together. Yeah.
01:08:14
The people who are, who are affecting trying to live their lives. Yeah. It's yeah.
01:08:20
Yeah. So, okay. So let's just, let's just go all the way down to the, to the, to bad town.
01:08:27
All right. James Hubert, he was born in Canton, Ohio on October 11th, 1942. He had polio when he was three years old.
01:08:36
He had difficulty walking for the rest of his life in his early, In the early 50s, his dad moved them to Pennsylvania Amish country.
01:08:46
So the mother, when that happened, she was like, I'm not moving there. So she left the family to go preach for a Southern Baptist organization, which, of course, affected James terribly.
01:08:58
And he becomes withdrawn. He gets married in 1965 to a woman named Etna. They have two daughters.
01:09:06
he becomes a welder in his hometown canton ohio um they settle down there but there's lots of
01:09:13
strife in the house domestic violence they uh etna and james don't get a divorce ever though but
01:09:20
but it's pretty bad then james gets into a motorcycle accident where he has a permanent
01:09:25
arm injury and his arm twitches uncontrollably so uh he can't he can no longer be a welder
01:09:32
um yeah so he loses his job he becomes a security guard for a little while the family and this is
01:09:39
like the darkest they relocate to tijuana mexico so obviously things are going badly yeah but they
01:09:46
come back and settle in the san yesterro neighborhood is there neighborhood of uh near
01:09:53
san diego he gets a job as a security guard but then he loses that job as a security guard he is
01:10:00
depressed over that. But he also is a gun nut. So there are stories, his daughters
01:10:07
had friends that would come over to the house and they said there would be guns just laying out on the kitchen table
01:10:12
that he was often playing with a switchblade. There was just a lot of violent, overt
01:10:18
violent behavior going on all the time. And then on top of that, so on July 17th, 1984,
01:10:27
James tells his wife, Etna, that he thinks he has mental problems, that he thinks he needs to talk to somebody.
01:10:34
And you have to think of it in the in 1984, that there was a huge social stigma, like even admitting
01:10:41
it, I'm sure to your wife was a huge deal. And they're from the Midwest, which is like bootstraps,
01:10:46
central. Yeah, nobody needs help. Don't how dare you need help. Yeah. And yeah. And for somebody
01:10:51
like this guy who clearly like he wants to problem solve by killing things. If you're if you write a
01:10:57
problem. If you threaten me, if you make me mad, I'm going to pull my gun out. So the idea that he
01:11:02
would then say, I have mental issues and I need help is a very big deal. So he, on July 17th,
01:11:09
he calls a mental health clinic and asks for an appointment. He leaves his contact details with
01:11:16
the receptionist and she assures him that someone is going to return his call within the next hour
01:11:23
or two. So he sits next to the phone and waits for that return call. And the, his wife said he
01:11:31
waited for a couple hours. The call never comes. He gets up, walks out of the house, gets on a
01:11:37
motorcycle and drives away. So I don't want to blame people, you know, things because a lot of
01:11:42
people have had that happen to them and they don't do this stuff. Yes, exactly. But it's fucked up.
01:11:48
I mean, it's a crazy. It's well here. So here's what happened. The receptionist misspelled his last name is Schuberty.
01:11:56
And because he was so polite and did not seem humorous, he was that he was in immediate crisis.
01:12:02
Yeah. She didn't put, she logged the call as a non-crisis injury inquiry, sorry.
01:12:07
And, um, that it would be handled within 48 hours. So her timeframe, she didn't really communicate the correct timeframe.
01:12:16
Yeah. I mean, yeah. And in his mind, clearly he was at the end of his rope, but she interpreted the call and his behavior as basically check in on this.
01:12:26
Right. Right. So he comes home from that motorcycle ride an hour later and the wife says he seems fine.
01:12:32
They have dinner. The whole family rides bikes to the nearby park. Later on, they come home.
01:12:38
The kids go to bed. Etna and James watch a movie. It's like normal life. The next morning is Wednesday, July 18th.
01:12:45
James Huberti takes his wife and their daughters to the San Diego Zoo. And they're having just like a lovely day.
01:12:52
And all of a sudden, he turns to Etna and says, I think my life's over. and she's he she basically gets him to say he's so angry that the mental health clinic didn't
01:13:04
return his phone call and he says to her well society had their chance oh that's not fair
01:13:11
right they they go to a mcdonald's for lunch that day after the zoo the mcdonald's in claremont
01:13:20
which is where the the tank rampage took place yeah this is all like in the same neighborhood
01:13:25
and then they go home. So later that afternoon, he walks into the bedroom and he kisses his wife saying,
01:13:35
I want to kiss you goodbye. And she asks where he's going and he says, I'm going hunting,
01:13:41
hunting for humans. What the fuck? Then he walks out of the house on his way out the door.
01:13:47
He says goodbye to his daughter and says, like explicitly says to her, I won't be back
01:13:53
and leaves. Oh my God. So at approximately 3.56 p.m., same day, James Hubert, who drives his black Mercury Marquis sedan into the parking lot of the McDonald's on San Ysidro Boulevard.
01:14:07
He's wearing camouflage pants and a black T-shirt, and he is carrying a 9mm Browning HP semi-automatic pistol, a 9mm Uzi carbine, a Winchester 1200 12-gauge pump-action shotgun.
01:14:23
Jesus. And then he's got a bag, a cloth bag filled with the ammunition. There are 50 people in the restaurant, roughly.
01:14:31
So it is a busy afternoon. And that McDonald's is busy. Yeah. Because there's customers and full employees, full staff, obviously.
01:14:42
He walks in. He yells, freeze. He aims his shotgun at 16-year-old employee, John Arnold.
01:14:49
oh and uh right before he does that the assistant manager guillermo flores shouts hey john that guy's
01:14:57
gonna shoot you so john arnold turns around and james huberty is standing there and shoots and
01:15:03
the gun doesn't the shotgun doesn't go off so then john arnold thinks it's some awful prank where
01:15:09
he's like what the fuck is this and as huberty's looking at his gun the manager 22 year old neva
01:15:17
Kane and this is the saddest part it's all teenagers of course it's a McDonald's in the 80s it's all
01:15:23
teenagers working there or like very young people so Neva Kane is the manager and she walks over like
01:15:29
hey what's going on she's walking toward the service counter and that's when James Hubert
01:15:35
starts firing the Uzi and he murders Neva Kane right there and then as he does that
01:15:43
then he unjams his shotgun and shoots John Arnold in the chest he yells for everyone to get down on the ground
01:15:50
he starts calling everyone he's calling them dirty swines and he's shouting that he's killed thousands and he
01:15:58
intends to kill thousands more a lot of people interpret that as thinking he is a Vietnam veteran
01:16:04
but afterwards they find out he'd never had any military service so what does that mean?
01:16:10
I think he was just trying to be scary and maybe seem like that kind of person like I have a bunch of experience with this
01:16:16
intimidate everyone Right. But yeah, that is not the case. 25 year old Victor Rivera. So he's he just begins shooting up the place. And at one point after the screaming and the it's basically clear that he's basically I hate all of the people in this building. I'm going to kill you all.
01:16:36
A 25-year-old man named Victor Rivera begins to plead with him not to harm anybody else.
01:16:43
And James Hubert, he turns around and shoots Victor Rivera 14 times and kills him.
01:16:48
Oh, my God. So this is the massacre beginning, and it goes on. It's so terrible, and it goes on for so long.
01:16:58
And it's just the worst-case scenario in every way. starting with and this is tragic and awful because so he started roughly around almost
01:17:09
right before four and so maybe like a minute or two before 4 p.m okay by 4 p.m there's all these
01:17:16
calls coming into 9-1-1 or to emergency services and the dispatcher mistakenly directs all the
01:17:23
police to the wrong mcdonald's that's two miles from so there's two within two miles of each other
01:17:31
and they just give the wrong line. Oh, fuck. Yeah. So since the police aren't there to lock the scene down,
01:17:39
for a while, James Hubert is inside this McDonald's shooting and people are walking up, coming in, pulling into the drive-thru.
01:17:50
Okay, so a woman named Lydia Flores pulls into the drive-thru. She notices the shattered windows She hears the sound of gunfire before looking up And she says looking up and there he was just shooting She reverses her car out of the drive crashes into a fence with her two
01:18:10
fucking child. Her two-year-old daughter hides in the car until the shooting stops.
01:18:16
Oh my God. So she basically pulls up to it and then gets away, crashes, and then just hides.
01:18:23
Holy shit. this is the most tragic and there was actually a picture in the newspaper this is i mean this story
01:18:29
was so huge for so long it gives me it still gives me chills what year was it 84 okay because i
01:18:38
didn't know about it until i got older because i was a kid but i'm sure my mom would remember it
01:18:43
yes and there was a picture that was that i bet you she remembers because um three little boys
01:18:49
rode up on their bikes yeah and they're the bikes and uh basically omar hernandez joshua colman and
01:18:58
david delgado rode up while an intermittent shooting was taking place so they rode their
01:19:04
bikes up dropped them outside went in and were immediately shot they actually sorry they weren't
01:19:09
even in the building and he shot and omar hernandez and david delgado died at the scene
01:19:15
joshua coleman somehow miraculously miraculously survives after being shot in the back in the arm
01:19:22
and in the leg he says he saw his friends um murdered he throws up he's like he's there and
01:19:31
there is a picture um you guys can go find but like of the bikes on the ground and then there's
01:19:37
like an emt with that little boy oh my and it's such a miracle that he survived but this is like
01:19:43
This is just the beginning of this massacre. It's just so awful. Again, because there's no police there, no one's locking anything down.
01:19:53
An elderly couple is walking in. Miguel Uola and his wife Aida are walking in. Miguel's 74, Aida's 69.
01:20:03
They're walking in, and right as Miguel opens the door for Aida, Huberti turns around with a shotgun and shoots her.
01:20:13
He starts, Miguel starts screaming at him, of course, and then he gets shot too.
01:20:18
So everybody sees, sees that. It's just, it's just fucking like worst case scenario.
01:20:23
People and people in the restaurant, of course, have hidden under tables. There are people that are like shot and dragged, have dragged themselves into the bathroom.
01:20:34
You know, it's, it's crazy and everyone's on the ground. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and it just keeps going.
01:20:39
So the shooting just keeps going. Why isn't anyone there? Why aren't the cops here?
01:20:43
Why isn't anyone stopping this person? Why isn't? Yes. You know, it's it's a nightmare.
01:20:48
I'm sure that's what they're saying. I'm not I'm not asking that. I'm sure that's what they're thinking.
01:20:52
Exactly right. Yeah. And and that the people in he's clearly you can't talk to him.
01:20:56
You can't reason with him. You can't even be seen. No. So and that that gets established very early on.
01:21:03
So when the officers finally do arrive, they set up a six block lockdown perimeter.
01:21:08
there's 175 officers that end up at the scene um they set up a command post two blocks away and of
01:21:16
course a SWAT team quickly follows thank god um but the problem is there's so much gunfire they
01:21:23
can't they think there's a bunch of people shooting up the inside of mcdonald's and he shot out because
01:21:30
he has an uzi yeah he shot out so many windows that they can't see into the the windows are
01:21:35
shattered but they're like yeah they can't see in so they can't get a clear view they don't they
01:21:42
can't get a sense of what's going on it's crazy okay so at one point and he several survivors say
01:21:47
that they saw huberty walk toward the service counter at one point adjust a portable radio he
01:21:54
brought a radio in he was trying to hear on the news what what was going on how close the cops were
01:21:59
Oh, my God. And then he put it on a music station and returned to shooting. I mean, let's remember real quick back to when he left the house.
01:22:08
This is a father of two children. Like, suddenly now he's this military psychopath in my head.
01:22:16
But it's like, the kids he just shot outside the fucking restaurant could be his kids.
01:22:22
Yes. This isn't some fucking... That's insane. Yes. It's insanity. And he knew he was going insane. He reached out for help. And then it's almost kind of that thing of like, I think we've all been in that. You're you're most vulnerable and you're and you ask for help. And if you get rejected. Yeah. Like that makes a person never ask for anything again. Yeah. But it's the thing of like, but then those most of those people don't go kill a bunch of innocent people. Of course not. But then there'll be a little bit of a there's other things. There's other things at play. Let's hear it. But you're right. I mean, like this.
01:22:58
it's almost like culturally it's as if like oh here's the solution are you upset have you been rejected
01:23:04
are you mad at women are you mad at people that don't look exactly like you well then here's what you can do about it
01:23:10
here's an uzi here's a fucking shotgun whatever that's like there are people who that's their belief system
01:23:16
and they have access to those weapons yeah finally at 5 17 p.m. so it's 4 o'clock is when we fucking started
01:23:24
it's been an hour the documentary is called 77 minutes because it's an hour and 17 minutes.
01:23:30
Holy cunt. That is insane. It's horrifying. But they finally, they get up onto the post office
01:23:37
that's across the street that has an unobstructed view into the McDonald's. And for one second,
01:23:44
Huberti appears in this guy's scope. He can see it's basically just his head. And so he takes the shot
01:23:52
and fires a single round and he shoots Huberti in the chest He sends him sprawling backwards onto the floor in front of the service counter and kills him instantly good so as i said the incident lasted
01:24:08
77 minutes during which time uh james huberty fired a minimum of 245 rounds of ammunition
01:24:16
He killed 21 people and wounded many, many others. The victims, whose ages ranged from eight months to 74 years, were predominantly, not exclusively, but predominantly Mexican or Mexican-American, which is obviously the racial element behind that and clearly part of this man's either agenda or insanity, whatever it might be.
01:24:46
Totally. So the victims were Claudia Perez, who is nine years old. Elise Herlinda Borboa Firo, who was 19.
01:24:55
Jose Rubin Lozano Perez, who is 19. Neva Denise Kane, the manager, who is 22. Michelle Deanne Carncross, who is 18.
01:25:05
Carlos Reyes, who is eight months old. Maria Elena Colmerino Silva, who is 19. Jackie Lynn Wright Reyes, who is 18.
01:25:15
Gloria Lopez Gonzalez, who is 22. Victor Maximilian Rivera, who's 25. Iris Delcy Vargas, who is 31. Blythe Reagan Herrera, who is 31. Hugo Luis Velasquez Vasquez,
01:25:31
who is 45. Mateo Herrera was 11. Paulina Aquino Lopez, who's 21. Lawrence Herman
01:25:39
verse lewis was 62 margarita padilla was 18 oh my god david flores delgado was 11 omar alonso
01:25:48
hernandez was 11 miguel victoria loa was 75 was 74 and aida loa was 69 um five of the dead were
01:25:59
under 11 years old uh in 1986 this shooting was the deadliest mass murder uh in the united states
01:26:07
until 1991. And as we know, now it happens much more often. Afterwards, in 1986,
01:26:18
Etna Huberti, people were very upset because she got money from the victim's fund,
01:26:26
which she was a victim to. It's understandable that people are upset. It's so hard.
01:26:32
There's nothing about this that isn't the worst scenario where like there's no nothing there's no winners there's nothing good it's all it's all deep tragedy
01:26:40
it's so hard to like find your humanity your own humanity when someone has fucking just stomped all
01:26:49
over it you know yes it's so hard yes but in the face but we know we need to feel it and have it
01:26:56
or else we're you know that's the problem with people is they who do shit like this is they have
01:27:00
no fucking humanity that's right so we need to make sure that we pay attention to ours and keep
01:27:04
But yes, exactly. And hold it and no, understand that that's that part of it. But it's like,
01:27:10
but if you're super close, like a victim's totally situation, it's just, it's not good.
01:27:15
I totally understand. In 1986. So of course, there was a million lawsuits about this because of that, that
01:27:21
amount of time that no one came. There were people running out and going, please, someone help us.
01:27:27
Like it was the worst, the worst, the worst. And like all the, you know, the police were,
01:27:33
It must have been absolutely horrifying because it's a SWAT team. They're like, we can't get a shot.
01:27:39
We don't know what to do. Yeah, they just, it was, it was not well handled. All you can do is like, what could have been, what could have changed and what could have been better about this?
01:27:49
I mean, because they, you would, you would think, or you might want to argue that they should storm into the McDonald's.
01:27:54
Right. But there's so much gunfire. They think there could be five people in there.
01:27:58
They don't know what's happening and they can't see it. Yeah. Even still, though, it's such a long time.
01:28:04
It's horrifying. It's so long. So there was so many lawsuits, just every direction.
01:28:09
But interestingly, Etna Huberty unsuccessfully tried to sue McDonald's and Babcock and Wilcox, which was her husband's longtime former employer in an Ohio state court for $5 million.
01:28:23
dollars the suit claimed that the massacre was triggered by both a poor diet no uh-huh and her
01:28:30
husband working around highly poisonous metals further citing that monosodium glutamate in
01:28:36
mcdonald's food combined with the high levels of lead and cadmium that were discovered in huberti's
01:28:41
body at his autopsy they were they were he was a welder and so he had a ton of heavy metals and bad
01:28:48
toxic shit in his system basically they they think the buildup from the fumes that he inhaled during
01:28:56
his 14 years of welding at babcock and wilcox had induced delusions and uncontrollable rage
01:29:02
here's the thing as we say but what then why aren't all the welders doing it right because
01:29:08
that's because no yeah um the autopsy did reveal there were no drugs or alcohol in james um james's
01:29:16
system which almost does that freak you out sometimes like i want to see massive amounts
01:29:21
of amphetamines so i'm like okay great exactly there's none right because they're all in his
01:29:27
brain right because you know what sometimes like this is the argument is fucking people have
01:29:31
chemical imbalances right it's not simple no you know no and it's the thing of like when i think
01:29:39
in that position the tragedy of course is that he wanted to get help he gave them basically two
01:29:45
hours and then that's it. Let's not give him too much credit for that though. Yeah,
01:29:49
not at all. But I will say this is if it's that thing of, if you have he basically had this whether it was because he was a welder or because he had you know the sad life that he did have before whatever it was
01:30:05
You can't just, that idea that, well, I made that one phone call. Now I go get to kill everybody is,
01:30:14
is just, I don't even know why I'm saying it. It's the same thing with fucking Ted Bundy and all my notes about you fucking
01:30:19
being he, uh, he's not a, you know, there's scared little men who has violent tantrums that's all he's a he has a violent tantrum right
01:30:28
you know or like he feels little and and you know what what fucking helps is killing women
01:30:35
or shooting people yeah it makes me feel bigger right or just out of control this is how i teach
01:30:41
everybody a lesson because i've been hurt or rejected or fired or whatever it is yes does
01:30:46
something good come out of this any laws one of the victims became a san diego policeman amazing
01:30:53
um and this and if you watch this um documentary i i haven't watched the entire thing but that it
01:31:00
has all the um people telling their story the way it's affected their life the impact it's had on
01:31:05
their life of course um which is very bad but it's also that kind of thing of like this is
01:31:11
the more these kinds of stories get out where it's this is what happens when you're on this
01:31:15
side of it. We should prevent this not because it's a political argument or because I believe
01:31:21
this or I wear this color hat or whatever. 100%. You decimate 50 people's lives in 10 minutes
01:31:30
when you walk in somewhere with an Uzi and bad metals in your brain or a grudge or whatever the
01:31:36
problem is. When my mom and I were arguing loudly at a nice pizza restaurant about gun control
01:31:41
as you over white wine as you do as one does my argument her argument of anyone should be able to
01:31:47
you know have guns in their house and all this shit and i we you know her six-year-old grandson
01:31:52
i'm saying to her if he went on a play date would you really want the person he's going over to
01:31:58
their house to have you know an assault rifle in their fucking house right is are you okay with
01:32:04
that would you let them do that because it's their fucking right quote unquote right no and
01:32:09
she fucking couldn't answer that of course because it's insane it's like it's great and
01:32:14
everything is fine until it's you and it's happening to your life and you need to put
01:32:18
yourself and have have some basic fucking empathy and put yourself in the shoes of the people who
01:32:23
survived it and the families whose loved one didn't survive it this wasn't supposed to be
01:32:29
a gun lecture also you know we're preaching to the converted so hard right now i know i know but
01:32:34
But anyway, I just I have a very I mean, maybe we're not. And that's important, too.
01:32:39
Maybe people who don't vote are listening because they don't like to get out of their house on that day.
01:32:44
You know, maybe it's or are undecided. It's important. Yeah. Let's have less violence.
01:32:50
Also, just this this one, just having seen it from like it. We used to just watch the news at night.
01:32:57
And so whatever was on the news just went straight into my brain. And the night this happened, it was it really it had this really intense ripple effect on this country in a way that like things didn't that much back then because there was no social media and there was no whatever.
01:33:17
It was intense. It was crazy. And it's really sad. Definitely. Yeah. Well, that was I mean, you told that.
01:33:25
Well, I mean, thank you. Girl, I'm going to touch that shit. I know. I did good.
01:33:30
no but you did a great job i just wanted it felt like one of those things it's uh yeah it feels
01:33:35
like one of those ones where you're just like but it should get said right and maybe especially
01:33:40
because it's of a underrepresented group or the majority who got killed yes it's important to
01:33:47
tell that story yes for sure and shit i mean yeah good job thank you now let's never do the hi-fi
01:33:55
murders oh god i mean jesus that's one that i will never ever know yeah that was great okay so
01:34:04
what's your fucking hooray for this week okay so my fucking hooray i'm seeing a new therapist
01:34:09
nice she's great i was talking to her about my self-esteem and how fucking hard it is to read
01:34:19
one negative comment on Instagram amidst a ton of the kindest, you know, murderinos overall,
01:34:29
and people who comment on my answer, like the kindest people. I can't get over it. If I could
01:34:33
cry, I would. And one will affect me so negatively and make like such a bummer. So she was like,
01:34:40
well, you know what, you should try. And I was like, Oh, God, what is she gonna tell me to
01:34:44
meditate and um she said recently i started watching um cardi b's videos on instagram
01:34:52
and i was like oh i like i'm so bad with pop culture i i don't really i've heard of her i
01:34:59
know that story kind of ideas i don't know the music so i was like okay this is weird and i went
01:35:05
home and fucking watched a couple cardi b videos i do what i like i do i do my god what i like i do
01:35:14
It's a little noise she makes. I am so in love with Cardi B and her fucking Instagram videos.
01:35:22
The best. And her as a person, I, I, I, she, I, it's incredible. She's the best.
01:35:28
Did you see the speech she gave about how the government needs it? Because of your pussy.
01:35:32
Yes. You go to, you go to check your pussy. Check your pussy. Somebody remixed that song that into a song.
01:35:38
That's amazing. It's on my Twitter feed if you want to see it. And one of my favorite comedians who's now writing on SNL,
01:35:45
Bowen Yang, he does this thing where he does lip syncs of those. So he did one from devil wears product.
01:35:53
Oh my God. He, he does these, he, they're really good videos and he did hers like ward photos.
01:36:00
gesture for gesture reenacting it it's so funny can i give a shout out to someone else that i know
01:36:05
who does that who's amazing uh that does that with like movies so he does like a lot of he'll do like
01:36:09
a parker um posey fucking monologue and shit and he's amazing and i've been meaning to fucking talk
01:36:15
about him hold on it's uh the johnny smith and he does um johnny lip sync hashtag the hashtag is
01:36:23
johnny lip sync and he'll do these to these fucking insane old movies like postcards from
01:36:26
the edge and shit and just he's crying. I love it. But yeah, Cardi B, I'm inspired by her. Yes.
01:36:34
You know how many fucks she gives? Zero. Zero. I'm just so, I'm amazed and I want to channel Cardi B.
01:36:42
She has one of my favorite lines in any song ever, any lyric. She says, the only time that I'm a lady's
01:36:54
when I ladies hose to rest. she has there's some her her rhymes i'm not gonna talk about rap like i fucking know anything but
01:37:05
clever so good and also but also just like let's go see her let's go see her and let's go see lizzo
01:37:13
lizzo is going on tour in april this is spell her name so everyone l-i-z-z-o she oh my god she's got
01:37:19
our like backstage before we go on stage in the green room anthem like this is our gal who we
01:37:26
fucking listen to and sing as we're walking towards the stage yes what's the song called do it i do my
01:37:31
hair uh check my nails good as hell the song's called good as hell okay i've tweeted it a ton
01:37:36
of times she also has a new song called juice that's incredible she's and also she was she's
01:37:43
like hitting the big time now she's doing coachella she's doing um a bunch of stuff so she plays the
01:37:49
flute. She plays the flute and hits the shoot. She is the fucking shit. I love her so much.
01:37:56
She's the shit. And also she has that thing where that her lyrics are really like,
01:38:01
they're empowering. They're really like, sorry, let me just remember this one. Cause I just texted
01:38:06
this. So here's, this will be as I try to remember that. I'll say this, Stephen, we step till 5am
01:38:11
editing. Stephen, I'm so sorry. No, you can leave that part in, but my therapist gave me this
01:38:17
assignment i've started going to therapy twice a week i love it and it feels amazing because i talk
01:38:23
so fucking much um and can't i have to monologue at her i don't like the feeling when we're like
01:38:30
staring at each other she's like yeah let's feel that for a second so how does that make you feel
01:38:34
so it's almost like there's the download uh uh i was gonna say episode uh appointment no
01:38:42
espionage well we're gonna start putting karen's therapy sessions out as a podcast
01:38:47
you everyone would roll their eyes the hardest yes and listen to it but um so it's like the first day
01:38:55
i kind of barf out all the things that i i'm worried about yeah and then we get to like
01:39:00
workshop it for a whole nother day whenever i hear people who go to therapy more than once a week i'm
01:39:04
like you're doing the fucking work because your therapist said to you you need to come in more
01:39:09
than once a week, which makes you think, oh, shit. Oh, shit. I'm fucking crazy. Yes.
01:39:13
Like, I knew a dude who went three times a week. Yeah. Hell yeah. And it like all you doing is the work you need to be doing Well and it I am so as we all are no one look we all we all have anxiety we all stressed out we all scared we all have these issues and there like basic obvious reasons
01:39:32
that have nothing to do with being having a chemical imbalance no like just just fucking
01:39:36
start with right this it's the way we're we're built to have anxiety that i just read this
01:39:41
somewhere we're all the human beings that lived because we have anxiety we stayed away from the
01:39:47
fucking saber-toothed tiger's cave and we fucking don't touch the fire you know we ran into the
01:39:53
forest so that we wouldn't get killed and then didn't and then now and then now we stay out of
01:39:58
the forest because there's serial killers in there like we have to find out which way we go
01:40:02
in the forest that's right in or out but we're filled with anxiety that we now societally
01:40:07
interpret as a negative which it's not necessarily right you're not crazy it's natural it's how our
01:40:13
reptilian brains are built. I also think it makes me kind of like quirky and fun. Sure. You know,
01:40:17
also you love cats. Um, but she gave me this exercise and she said, uh, every day you have
01:40:26
to write down five things, not that you're grateful for, cause that's conceptual. Write down five
01:40:31
things that made you feel good in the moment. It can be anything that tiny. Yes. Tiny, big,
01:40:37
whatever that gave you a shot of actual emotion of yay and whatever it was a little like a little
01:40:45
moment and just start recording them because i often have that thing where i feel i can't handle
01:40:52
shit so i just shut it all down good or bad yes it's all it's none of my business yeah yeah how i
01:40:58
feel yeah um is the mistake i make like don't don't just be neutral all the time or just like
01:41:04
I can't do it right now. So like if, if I reacted real time, it would be bad. So I just don't do
01:41:10
anything. But the problem with that is you, then you are not feeling the good things. Then you
01:41:17
forget what's good. You forget what you like, you forget. And then that's how I personally,
01:41:22
that's how I get into abusing substances because I feel like I need to replace it
01:41:26
with like real good life experiences. Instead. It's like, I can't handle any of that. I'll just
01:41:31
go home and like eat. I'll go home and get high. I'll go home and just lay there and watch TV,
01:41:36
all those things that do not serve me. Um, and so in trying to peel that behavior back,
01:41:42
you have to remember what is good. Like you can't just peel back things that are giving you comfort
01:41:47
and then stand there. You have to like make lists of things you like. So I've been doing it daily.
01:41:53
And she said, you have to do it with somebody else so that you do it. So I immediately thought
01:41:59
of Lizzie. I knew it. I knew it'd be Lizzie Cooperman. Lizzie Cooperman is our, obviously
01:42:04
our friend. It's almost not fair because of course it's, it's easy for her. It's she, I,
01:42:10
I didn't even have to explain it. I go, well, you do this thing. And she's like, totally like she,
01:42:15
it was like, she was waiting to do it. So it's just these lists and they're so odd,
01:42:20
but it's just a thing that actually made you happy real time in a real moment. And it can be
01:42:25
just hearing this person's voice on the phone, you every time. Will you do it with me for like one day a week?
01:42:31
A hundred percent. Okay. Absolutely. Um, I just feel like we're in each other's business so much,
01:42:37
so much but yes because I I telling you having done this now for like I think it a week or two maybe two I am feeling real time things where I go
01:42:53
oh, I want more of this feeling. I'm going to do these. It's like I'm teaching myself more
01:42:58
too, because you're like, oh, I have to tell Lizzie that later. It's like, oh, this thing
01:43:01
right now feels good. That's going to be on my list today. Exactly. Or if you've, if I have spent,
01:43:06
I want to say you so bad, but it's me. If I've spent the day in my house talking to no one,
01:43:11
but George and Frank, there's nothing to put on that list. So I have to go like,
01:43:15
at least go to the store and talk to one old lady because you need some shit on your good list.
01:43:21
And I swear it is like, it's like waking up this thing inside me where I'm like, I get to feel
01:43:27
good shit real time. I get to be vulnerable, be in the world. And I like it. I can handle it. I
01:43:33
like it. It's good. And that's the only way to get more good stuff. It's practices. That's,
01:43:39
you know yeah it's your therapy practice yeah and then the word practice is so important because
01:43:44
it's not do it or don't do it and do it right no it's like keep practicing keep practicing and i
01:43:49
think the reason she did it because there's been tons of times where like i will lizzie sends me
01:43:53
you know two days in a row and i'm like what the fuck is this and i'm like oh my god i didn't do
01:43:58
my list well lizzie does this thing i kind of think this is it she's only taught me this and
01:44:02
i know it's it's like gail or someone's fucking thing but oprah or gail you're not sure which
01:44:08
it's the to-do list instead of the to-do list and lizzie of course told me that so long ago and i was
01:44:13
like oh my god what's that like accomplishment a to-do you know you write your fucking to-do
01:44:18
i need to do this and that you're at the end of the day to-do list what i did i fucking did right
01:44:22
this week or this day you know yes to-do motherfucker yeah like that needs to be
01:44:28
credited to someone because to-do motherfucker no just to the to-do i'm gonna look it up because
01:44:32
it's nobody's claiming it. Stephen and I were Googling it. Okay, great. Yeah, like little practices.
01:44:39
Like you say, little practices. Remind yourself that you're not just a total piece of shit.
01:44:43
Well, and also, it's the thing too, you know, it's, to me, I always get worried when you and I
01:44:49
talk about, like, our real experiences at the top of the show, because I don't want people
01:44:55
to be mad at us or hate us for being in a great position and still complaining. Like, that's my fear.
01:45:02
But I realized in kind of making these lists and stuff, I have so much to be overjoyed about every day.
01:45:11
I could fill up 10 lists, but I focus on what's negative, what I need to fight, what I need to do, what I'm not doing.
01:45:20
Like all I do is focus on the bad stuff. And it makes the hugest difference when like I can remind myself all your dreams are coming true.
01:45:29
Is this the beginning of our mental health podcast? I feel like it is. I mean, it could be.
01:45:37
I drink a can of wine. I just worry if we name it that, that the lawsuits will be coming down the mountain.
01:45:45
Karen and George's, ta-da. That's the first one. We stole that. Stolen. Who did I steal?
01:45:52
I want to know who I stole that from because I know. But Lizzie, it's Lizzie's fault.
01:45:55
Lizzie Cooperman, let's all blame her. If we do that, we have to pull Lizzie into it.
01:45:59
Oh, my God. She could be our therapist. And the tarot reader. And she'll read our tarots.
01:46:04
Yeah. Cool. That was like a That was a beautiful fucking Oh it called fucking hooray It called fucking hooray Yeah Wow Yeah Good job Thank you It actually instead of like talking about a TV show I was like I should just say
01:46:19
I was not going to say it because I was like, oh, that's weird and private. I shouldn't do it.
01:46:24
Oh my God. Show it off. And every time I listen to my therapist talk, I'm like, God, I wish more people could hear
01:46:30
her talking. She said, today she said this thing. She goes, when human beings aren't supported and they don't have anyone that we just can't.
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That's the way she said it. And I was like, like, she's just deep. But in that real way of like, this is the truth.
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Guys, we barfed it out this week. And I think it's, you know, flash everyone your emotion.
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Flash everyone yourself. Why not? Like pull down, like pull down your tube top. Pull down your soul.
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Defensive tube top. Right. And get your soul tits out. Flash your soul. I promise you'll be rewarded with beads.
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Right? With Mardi Gras beads. Yes. With life. With spiritual life beads. Spiritual Mardi Gras soul tits.
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Life beads. That you're flashing at every other human being. And there we go. And everyone's better.
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Yes. The end. Everything's cured. Did we do it? We did it. We did it. gun control. We solved.
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God, this was great. We really did it. We solved complaining. Complaining. We solved vulnerability.
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Listen, vulnerability 2020. Right? That's what's going to happen. Vulnerable and ability.
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Gosh, thanks for listening, guys. Thanks, everybody. If you got to this point, fuck, man.
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Wow. You're cured. You must need something. Go find it. We support you. Good luck. Let us know what you
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