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Own the dream. Hello and welcome to My Favorite Murder. This week's episode will focus mostly on the positive.
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Why? Really? You didn't tell me that was the rule. We did not have a meeting about this before.
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I hate it. I think it's the worst. We're off to a great start. Here we go. That's Karen Kilkara.
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That's Georgia Hardstark. The positivist, positive person in positive. I am the positivist and always have been.
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I'm a positive activist. Oh, a pactivist? A positivist. A pause activist. Yes. Great.
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What do you do? Do you mostly march? I take a nap because there's no way to be positive when you're conscious.
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So you just... Right. Conscience. Conscious. Conscious. So my conscience goes away.
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Shuts down. Escapes from this hideous reality. And then it's just neutralville. Nice.
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That's great. How are you? I like to make signs. like sign language or like gang signs uh no just you know i glue a piece of paper on a piece of
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wood and then it'll say a positive activism is it a funny pun you know i love puns so usually i
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will go with a pun first good so it's like eggs excuse me right what is a pun always egg don't
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touch my uh yeah lego my ego lego my egg that would actually be funny for like a planned
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parenthood pro plan planned parenthood but the waffles are breast shaped and i love it sunny
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side up eggs on it yeah oh my god lego my eggs oh oh no like oh no is it we're still falling 2019
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and we still don't have rights what is it 2019 and we still don't know how to intro podcast
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I feel personally like now I resist logic when we do this. I resist ever having it be clean and clear.
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I want to drive new listeners away. This isn't this isn't the podcast. The dropout.
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This isn't the dropout. This isn't NPR. This isn't fucking the podcast of news time.
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Yeah, because and you know why? It's because you don't hear light typing in the background, which is how you know you're on NPR.
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We have no music budget. No, we have no journalism skills. to speak of. I feel like Stephen would
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be happy to bust out that keyboard and play some more of his electronica. Some tones in the background.
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Yeah, his, what is it called? Thrash Garage? What's Stephen's brand of music? It's mustache thrash?
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Must-thrash. No, that sounds like a mold problem, a bacteria problem. It is. He's got mustache thrash.
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Oh, have you heard about Stephen's thrash? Stephen can't come into work. Head-to-toe thrash.
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But it's heaviest on his mustache. He turned his mustache red. Guys, we're back in the studio.
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Yeah, that's right. We're in the midst of our fucking insane winter fall tour. We're having so much fun.
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It's the fucking best. I think our next one is in Vegas. Yes. Which is really exciting.
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Marty is going to be there. For some reason, my dad wants to come. My sister, Nadrian, are coming.
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Oh. I think everybody wants to come. Sure, it's Vegas. It's fucking Vegas, baby.
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Buffalo. Everyone's going to be playing those Buffalo machines. Georgia's already talked about what Buffalo machine she would like to have reserved for her.
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Double down. Can you do that? Double down on a machine. I'm doing it. I'm going to be the one who sits between two machines and I'm playing both of them.
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Feed it. Feed it. Give your money away. Chain smoking. Just make sure you always feel lucky.
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Let's see. What is my game? Wheel of Fortune? No. Best. Willy Wonka. That's my game.
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Okay. I like Wheel of Fortune too. Wheel of Fortune is a classic. Anything that you can win a spin on a game thing.
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Yes. Great. and it's um anything where you it feels like you're uh actually interplaying with the machine
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even though that thing's spinning and whatever comes up you don't know where it's gonna stop on
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yes you do and you like bing bing bing yeah you stupid yeah give us get all get rid of all your money give us your money That why you yeah It going to be fine everyone Yeah Ultimately and later on it going to be fine
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Sure. You're going to learn a lesson. Oh. In the meantime, gamble your money away.
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Get drunk and gamble. Get as many free drinks as you can on the floor. Marty, what's Marty going to do in Vegas?
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Oh, I don't know. Maybe camp outside. Oh, I took three 20s out of the bank and I will, he'll use them throughout the night.
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He's going to camp in the garage. There's a nice bathroom where you can take a shower.
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Does Marty smoke a cigar? Like celebratorily? Does he drink? How does Marty? Marty will have a drink once in a while.
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Oh, we did. So the night before we left for this last weekend tour and he was going to stay the weekend and watch the cats.
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So he came over the night before because dads can't drive at certain hours. Right.
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That's right. Did you know that? Yeah. So he was supposed to, you know, we were leaving.
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Is he night blind? He's blind. No, he just, he's colorblind. Okay. He's just, they just, he's very OCD, like literally and what's.
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Figuratively? Literally. Yeah. And so, whatever. He just came over early and we got drunk together.
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Oh, nice. That's the end of the story. We just drank a bunch of rosé and yelled about Israel and watched a Vietnam documentary by Ken Burns, which I highly recommend.
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We just haven't kept keep pausing it to yell about shit. and then we'd watch it again.
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Yeah. And Vince was just watching us being like, oh no, what did I marry into? It was great.
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So that's how Marty Party is a documentary. A little vino. Some nice rosé. Yeah.
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I like it. That's right. Oh, I have a correction. Let's hear it. It's more of a, yeah,
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it's a correction from a couple of weeks ago. I just want to make everyone know that the to-do list that I talked about,
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instead of making a to-do list or including a to-do list, you should make a to-do list of positive things
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that have, you know, just so you have it, not just like things I need to do, but like things I've fucking accomplished.
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Sure. An accomplishment list. Yeah, like an angry accomplishment list. Yeah, a fuck you accomplishment list.
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Fuck you to your to-do list. Yeah. That's essentially what it is. Always. And I wanted to say that it was created by Gretchen Rubin, who's this incredible author.
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She wrote The Happiness Project. We all heard of it. And The Four Tendencies. Lizzie Cooperman loves her.
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She also has a podcast called Happier, which I now need to listen to. But that was her idea.
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And I couldn't, I maybe said it was Gail. Yeah. But it wasn't. Yeah. Gail from Gail and Oprah?
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Yeah. Oh, but it wasn't. Oh, you're just sourcing. I just want to make sure that I give her credit.
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So that's who that the to-da list. The to-da list was written by Gretchen Rubin.
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Rubin. Yes. Awesome. Thank you, Gretchen. Thank you, Gretchen for your great ideas.
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Yeah. Cause that is a really smart way to flip that around because it, it is like,
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I have so many to-do lists around my house and I never do any of the things on them.
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And then I get, then I, when I do do things on them, I, then I'm like, oh, I'm not crossing that off.
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Yeah. Like it's not all the way. Yeah. I'll do like, I'll have a shitty thing. That's like make an appointment and then go get this thing.
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And it's like, well, I made the appointment. Yeah. I don't really want to go get the thing.
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It all gets really depressing. Oh, why is life hard? So instead of that negative being a 10 attenuated,
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I don't even know what that word means. Here we go. Steven, could you please look up what attenuated means?
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You just made it up. I don't know. But instead of being acclimated, that's probably not it either.
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There it is too. It has to start with an A and be really long. Instead of being...
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Aligned with negativity. Docile or... Or just being negative. Oh, it does mean something.
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Attenuated. Having been reduced in force, affect, or value. In a sentence, it appears likely that the courts will be given an attenuated role
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to the enforcement of these decisions. That's it. Totally incorrect. It's correct.
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It's not. Oh, are you trying to be positive? I disagree. I was going to say corrections corner and heard from a lot of Scots about this one.
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I in talking about headbutts guys named Scott texting, you know, luckily, no, just Scottish
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people letting, letting me know that my little riff, because I couldn't think of the real
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nickname for headbutts. So I called it a Belfast good morning and just acted like that was the real name.
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But it actually what I was really thinking of and what everyone knew I was thinking of without me knowing it was it's called the Glasgow kiss.
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Oh, what's a Belfast good morning? I made it up. Okay, because that's great. Because I didn't know what the fuck you were talking about.
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Thought you made it up. And I was like, that was beautiful and incredible. Totally made up.
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Okay. All right. But I mean, I knew it was I knew it was called something like that.
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That's I like. Listen, sorry, Scottish people. Listen, people named Scott. I like yours better.
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Careful, careful. They will fucking headbutt you so quickly. Okay. My favorite thing when I lived in Scotland for a short amount of time when I was on the television show, The Book Group.
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And my friend Michelle Gomez, who is from Glasgow, told me all about the kind of culture there.
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And one of my favorite things was when on the weekends, when people go out, oftentimes women don't wear coats.
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Even though it's freezing fucking cold and they're wearing like a tube dress. Okay.
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Because they want to seem hard. They want to seem tough. So you don't wear a coat.
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Okay. And that like is such a great example of what Scottish people are like. What if I want to seem soft and tender and I wear six coats?
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You will be beaten within an inch of your life in Glasgow, Scotland. By a 12 year old girl.
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It's just my favorite because people party really hard there. And they also are just like, and then you walk home in the cold and you like keep on partying.
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Like you never, you never quit. So it's like your 20s all the time there. Yeah. Well, I think mostly when you're in your 20s, though.
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Okay, great. The old people weren't really doing it. Okay. It wasn't like a lady in a tube top.
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No, it was all the youngs. I want to give a shout out to the new animated MFM episode.
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It MFM underscore animated on Instagram By Nick Terry Yeah and it on YouTube as well He made a animation of the 400 year old shark conversation that we had that is just so clever I want to punch people in the
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Nick. Do you want to punch? I want to punch people named Scott. Bring him back. My friend Patty Riley texted me the other day because she had the Nick Terry shirt.
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And she said that walking down the street, she said, she said when her arm was in a sling,
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No one ever said a word to her, but walking down the street with the Nick Terry sweatshirt,
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people constantly stopping her and saying, Oh my God, are you a murderino and recognizing it?
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What I love about him is that he, so he's now selling merch with his characters from,
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from our conversations on it. And he messaged me and was like, Hey, I just want to make sure this is okay.
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Like this, you know, it is still your thing and I just want your blessing. And if you're not okay with it, that's fine.
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Whatever the fuck. And I was like, make that fucking money. God bless. It's like, that's how you do it.
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And we're like so happy for you. I should have said no and bought all the rights to it.
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But that's just me being a merchandiser. That'd be a little aggressive. That's a little hard start.
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Yeah, that would have ruined the fun, I think. But I'm so happy for him. I know.
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And how much. Well, he's just doing such good work. I mean, it's incredible. He nails it every single time.
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It's hilarious. But I can't tell if that's because I'm in it. And so I just love it.
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Of course it is. Of course it is. I also another person who's nailed it lately. Truly my favorite is Taft in the bathtub.
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Oh, yeah. Someone named Adrian Kelt, I think, C-E-L-T, retweeted it. And it was their drawing of Taft in the bathtub.
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President Taft in the bathtub from the Lincoln story you did in Washington, D.C.
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I mean, I've no. That's also the funniest thing is these things come up and you're like, when did I say that?
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When did we say anything? Remember when you said this? No. yeah but apparently what i said was ooh taft yeah and then it was tapped it's a beautiful
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art piece um also when we were in toronto you say toronto or toronto i say toronto toronto i think
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is correct okay well so this um gal came through the line with these perfectly packaged for the
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meet and greet these like packages wrapped in brown paper and fucking string and it was like
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adorable oh yes she's like i made you guys dresses i'm a designer and we looked open them later and
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they're gorgeous and so last night i went to a fucking fancy hollywood movie and i wore it her
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name's sarah duke and it fit me so perfectly i felt like a ballerina from the waist down and then
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it was like slit in the back so my whole back was showing all sexy you could turn it around but i
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have no cleavage so what's the point it was just this gorgeous fucking dress that fit me perfectly
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and like, I just want to buy everything from her. So her name on Instagram is Sarah and it's S-A-R-A,
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no H, Sarah, Sarah Duke. And she's a Canadian fucking clothing designer. And she's incredible.
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Yeah. That's so awesome. Like it's the perfect fit. Everything about it. I love. And she really
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did. Go ahead. Sorry. No, no. It has pockets. Both our dresses have pockets. She made sure to
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tell us that. I apologize. No, no. I was only going back over your thing because the packages
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were wrapped gorgeous it looked like it was from victorian england yeah like it was black wrapping
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paper and then there was gold and then there was like little thread see i remember it is it brown
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wrapping paper with black i could be 100 wrong well the con the color color combo was black and
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brown very intense listen those nights don't listen look don't um there's a i have a photo
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of my not so fucking i have a photo of myself up on my instagram of me wearing it but i was too
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because it's a red carpet and I get it's terrifying. And so I didn't put my hands in the pockets, which I totally did in front of the mirror.
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That's what happens. You don't know where to put your hands. That's why we have pockets.
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That's right. And which I will then mention. God bless Broadchurch's Olivia Colman, who won Best Actress at the Oscars.
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Her dress had pockets. And that was tweeted to us. That Mitchell and Webb look. Is that the show called?
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No, it's Peep Show was what she was on. But same guys. Peep Show. she was so good in it it's so fun to see her win shit she's awesome because also she has been
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consistently killing it in england for like 20 years and she's been on a ton of great shit
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my i first got to know her on look around you which is one of my favorite things that's ever
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existed i don't know it you have to watch it it's like a fake 70s in studio like um pbs type of show
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amazing but but it's everything's fake so there's one where she introduces a thing that's a computer
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from women called the petticoat vibe sorry there's a it's a pink and white laptop or it's a
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computer and then there's when they show like the keyboard there's a nail file on the keyboard
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you have to see the show it's what's it called again it's called look around you okay maybe we
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can find it on youtube uh i'm not sure the first season is all um it's like 70s uh tapes that they
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would put in at school when the teacher needed to go like smoke in the alley basically but then
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the second season is this in studio where they have um uh robert popper and olivia coleman and
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peter sarafinowicz and they all host it but it's and it's taken very seriously but everything is
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like i like the petticoat vibe i love it it's amazing but we're i'm so proud of olivia coleman
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i'm so and it's her favorite is the best movie and she has pockets in her dress and she's
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just representing okay but more so not more so but closer to home and in addition to and as well as
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scott stop fucking trying to put words in our mouth don't actually me right now yeah i'll say
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what this don't scott's blame me um our uh friend of the uh podcast friend of the network friend of
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the universe universe that we live in billy jensen oh yeah has his book coming out hell yeah so you
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can pre it today The book is called Chase Darkness with me I wrote the foreword Yeah it is It about four paragraphs long But it is I read the book
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And what's it about? Right. Which one's it about? What's it about? It's basically about everything he's done, like how into true crime he is and why.
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Yes. And where how he got to start and what it's from. And then also then these cases that he has
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come up against and it's just it gives you everything that a murderino would want in a book
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it's really really good i mean i still i still and i must have listened to it 12 times through
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listen to all the gone in the dark while falling asleep at night which is so twisted and fucked up
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but that's just like most comforting thing to me yes um and she helped write or helped finish
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that's right billy jensen um basically came in after michelle mcnamara died and helped patten
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finish her book using all of her notes and all of her writing along with along with Paul Haynes
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right um who was her researcher so yeah it's uh it's now this is his book and please go uh get it
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you will be so happy that you did I'm so excited he looks he looks like a goth fucking anime
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character I don't that's nothing to do with anything but it just makes it helps you know
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what's funny in the foreword I mentioned the first time we met him when he came up to us at
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that restaurant next to the UCB on Franklin. Oh yeah. And he came up like just talking already.
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We're friends and here we go. Here we go. But with this journalist intensity where I was like,
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he's mad. Like we did something wrong. And I was so nervous to like when he started talking,
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cause I was like, I don't know whatever date or time you're about to mention. Yeah.
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I don't know what the correct one is. We don't know facts. Yeah. No, that's your area.
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You get the facts, right? We treat your facts like gossip and talk about it. we have to give it speaking of gossip and talking about it we have to give a quick shout out not
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have to but want to because simply safe which we do ads for all the time and everything this is not
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like an overt ad this is us thanking them because we have this brand new office we're going to be
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recording here all the time we're going to make it our fucking podcast home and a lot of other
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podcasts that we're eventually going to announce on our network exactly right and simply safe
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fucking sent us a whole bundle of everything for fucking free just to to have security shit for the
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office yeah so we have a security system now for our office because of simply safe so we want to
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thank them yeah and thank them for being um like with our show for so long they've been advertising
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on the show for a long time i mean i honestly like those those those ones that you've been
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hearing forever on those ads for podcasts i kind of like love them because like nobody fucking
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knows and no one believes in podcasts. Yeah. Except for these fucking companies that have been advertising with them for so long.
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Thank you, Casper. Thank you. You know what I will say? And I don't know. This is really funny because I was really touched.
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I opened a box at my house the other day and I got a new Quip toothbrush. Oh, shit.
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Because remember I said I left my Quip toothbrush in D.C. Oh, my God. And I was like so touched.
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Like they heard it and they sent it. But then I remembered you're on automatic renewal.
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nobody listen nobody cares it's either and this is how it always is with me either quip is in love
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with me yeah or quips doesn't give a shit right but i'm gonna choose because it's the positivity
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train yeah i'm gonna choose that quip this episode is all about um positive sharting sharting what'd you say nothing i just didn't want to say thinking um i refuse okay
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because there's no power behind it it's this isn't the secret just do don't be a dick and do good
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things yeah that's right and listen there's there's no secret there is no secret don't be a
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fucking asshole yeah or as my uh hilarious comedian bill dwyer used to say if it feels wrong don't do
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it it's that simple if you'd be mad that someone else did it to you don't don't do it don't do it
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it's very simple now here's what you can do okay uh mckenzie sent us a picture of her grandpa
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sleeping in his onion field that i retweeted it she had tweeted it and then she was on our
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instagram it's on our instagram my favorite murder i think it went it went across all social media i
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got tagged in that more than i've been tagged in everything and thank you i love it it's the best
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The best. And the second picture of her grandpa laying in the field is high art.
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I want someone to paint that. It is a gorgeous thing. Yeah, it is. And it's an old man sleeping in his own. It's amazing. It's his own onion field.
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As a champion napper, I still can't wrap my head around how he did that. Why you pick a place to lay down and go to sleep in.
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I can tell you as a farm person, I'll call myself a farm girl. He got shit faced and passed out.
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Could be that. That's always possible. But also when you're kind of out in the middle of anywhere and you have something to do and you're going to be doing it all day long, it's like repetitive work.
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And you realize you can just kind of do whatever you want. No one's out there with you.
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You don't have to. You're not under the lash of society. The concept is foreign to me.
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And the earth is very warm when you lay on it often. As someone from literally from Southern California, except for a three year stint in San Francisco, open space and not being near people is I don't even get it.
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I know. So congratulations. We have to go to like Montana. We have to go to like a horse.
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Don't promise. Let's go to therapy horse ranch. That'd be fun. Let's do it. I want to meet a horse.
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I know. They're the best. I want to meet an elephant. Excuse me. That sounded stupid.
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you were just taking my idea and being like but actually you're going on animals I want to meet
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we're going to meet huge animals I just want to meet animals I'm going to be honest
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and that got me really excited I want to meet horses and elephants those are my two friends those are two good ones
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yeah I support both of those yeah I'm good with just horses and then going home and watching TV
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I want to bathe in elephants You know, you're not supposed to ride them anymore.
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Don't. That makes sense. You're not. This is our new thing. There's like elephant ours.
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I don't know who the fuck I am. This is our new thing. I don't know who I am. There's like elephant sanctuaries in Thailand and shit.
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I follow them on Instagram. And like the thing now is like they you don't ride elephants.
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It's like that's fucking cruel and shit. And now you just they let you bathe them.
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Oh, great. And they're in the fucking water. And they're like, yeah, bitch. Yeah.
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Fucking bathe me. You bathe me for once. That's right. I'm sick of spraying stuff on you.
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Stomp the shit out of you. So it's pretty great. Go on Instagram and find them. It's like,
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I love watching elephant videos. That's the best. If I could have anything in my like ideal elephant world,
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it would be that like Aquaman, I could breathe underwater and then just look at fish all day.
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Cause that's my blue planet two came out. We were talking about it the other night and it's so good.
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And it's so amazing. Like to be able to watch those animals so closely. Those motherfuckers are aliens.
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They're crazed. they're fucking a like what is even happening if you don't believe in aliens put your face
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underwater get out of here because i mean no yeah yeah i mean it won't help i mean i don't mean kill
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yourself i mean go look at fish what do you get would you ever get would you ever be a fish tank
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person a fish tank person yeah like a big fucking salt water built into the wall that one what's
00:25:18
that tv show where they build fish tanks i think it's called fish tanks it's called tank i swear
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Oh, I believe you. It's the best. I was about to say, it's some terrible pun. And I was like, well, real quick.
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Right here. I would never fish tank because mine would immediately have like the green mold on the glass.
00:25:36
This is why you hire someone to come take care of it. Yeah, okay. But then, what?
00:25:40
Just so I can look at a thing? How about a poster? What about a great, one of those magic eye posters of three dolphins coming out of the ocean?
00:25:47
I'm going to get you for your next birthday, an annual pass to some kind of aquarium.
00:25:51
Great. Okay. I'll go there. Great. there is the um the aquarium that's i think it's long beach has like the best one there is a little
00:25:59
fish there that has arms and it holds itself between rocks and it looks all like like a punk
00:26:05
like it's like this mean little fish that just sits in there and i was like me for real i looked
00:26:11
at it for so long because it's like basically evolving yeah it's this next level where it's
00:26:16
like fins are now arms your brain was just like goodbye yeah sometimes i do that with seals and
00:26:22
fucking pitbulls. Oh, yeah. It's the same creature. I think cats and seals are very similar. Huh. I think
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you're wrong, but I love you. But I'm being positive about it. Well, what about the whiskers?
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Fucking dogs have whiskers. Am I wrong? Yes. Yeah, I'm fucking right. You know I'm right. You know it.
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It does. It feels like we need to put the boys don't cry cure poster on one of these walls.
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00:29:17
oh you have to post him so it's was it the axolotl is it that thing you don't know but
00:29:25
there's a gif of one of those playing a keyboard it's a keyboard fish I'll find it if that's hilarious
00:29:36
can you please send me that Yeah, yeah. Put that on Instagram. He'll put it on the Instagram tomorrow when we post our visuals.
00:29:42
The one I'm talking about is not so salamandery. It actually looks more like a fish, but it's really got a bunch of bumps all over it.
00:29:50
Huh. Oh, we're creepy. So creepy. It is very creepy. Can I start now Oops Positivity positivity Can I start now Sure All right So my story is a bit OK this is a harsh one but it a bit of a corrections corner
00:30:05
OK, because at one time in our podcast life, I don't know when we said that like date skateboarders, they don't kill people.
00:30:12
Oh, do you remember saying that? I don't. I don't. I bet I did. But we not you, but one of us did.
00:30:18
So this is the fucking correction of that. Oh, no. This is the murder of Jessica Bergson by Mark Gator Rogowski.
00:30:27
Uh-oh. Yeah. I know. So I got a lot of info from this fucking documentary I saw a couple years ago and was so affected by.
00:30:34
I had no idea about any of this called Stoked, The Rise and Fall of Gator. And it's by this woman, Helen Stickler, who spent six fucking years making this documentary.
00:30:44
Wow. And also an article called Free Fallen by Corey Johnson that was originally in The Village Voice.
00:30:50
So to really understand the rise and fall of Gator, that's the skateboarder. I'm going to call him that now.
00:30:56
Okay. You have to understand the skateboarding industry in the 1980s, which you and I maybe witnessed a little bit.
00:31:03
I definitely did. California. But from a distance, nervously and breathlessly. Sure.
00:31:09
Because all the boys that skated in my town, it seemed like they didn't have parents at all.
00:31:15
They didn't. They could do whatever they wanted. They could. And they were so beautiful.
00:31:19
They were gorgeous and beautiful and didn't give a shit about you. No. You were not part.
00:31:22
And there were no, you know, women. It was like you, the girls were a side thing.
00:31:28
Yeah. The one time I tried to learn how to skateboard in high school and I had a friend of mine try to teach me.
00:31:33
Within two weeks, I had fallen so hard and scratched my face up that I just quit.
00:31:38
Yeah. It just wasn't for me. No. I have hips. Okay. So skateboarding in the 1980s, and this is when Gator was at the top of his career.
00:31:46
So skateboarding in the early days wasn't a popular thing, and no one was really doing it.
00:31:51
Towards the end of the 70s, those who were skateboarding had started to skate vertical walls, like in swimming pools that had been drained because of the 1976 California drought.
00:32:03
And as we saw in Dogtown and Z-Boys, which is also a fucking great documentary. So they were doing that instead of the usual street skating that had been going on before.
00:32:11
And they were also skating these ramps that, you know, the ramps we know, and that's called vert skating.
00:32:18
Okay. For vertical skating. That's what I call it. I didn't know. Yeah. I didn't know that.
00:32:23
That's what me and my Z boys call it. Oh, you and your Z boy friends. Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:26
So they had this less crazy control. They could skate faster and they could do these more dangerous aerial tricks and shit.
00:32:32
And since most people, you know, around the country couldn't build or afford these ramps and didn't have access to empty pools,
00:32:39
there were very few people who were really fucking good at it because they could practice all the
00:32:43
time and that was people in california especially southern california and in san diego yeah so those
00:32:49
people got really fucking popular really fast because no one else was doing it the other thing
00:32:52
to remember that will put this that you need to remember while i'm telling you the story about
00:32:56
gator is that he is later diagnosed as severely bipolar and that's not to say this has nothing i'm
00:33:03
telling you this from before when he commits this horrendous crime but the the amount of power and
00:33:08
authority he has and the shit that goes to his head, you need to remember that that's
00:33:13
based on him being having being undiagnosed and untreated mentally ill. So okay, so while he's
00:33:20
becoming rich and famous at a young age, his mental illness is unchecked in a lot of ways,
00:33:27
which is actually really fucking helpful to his career. So let's go. Mark Rogowski is born August
00:33:34
10th 1966 in Brooklyn New York moves to Escondido California which is a middle class suburb of
00:33:39
northern fucking San Diego at the age of three after his parents divorced his dad fucking had
00:33:45
rage issues and later date and got the fuck out of there um Mark who went by Gator started to
00:33:51
skateboard at seven years old he took it seriously even as at a young age and he couldn't afford the
00:33:56
boards that everyone else had so he made his own which actually made him have a more unique style
00:34:01
because he could do shit that other people couldn't do. Yeah. A skate park opened in Escondido,
00:34:07
which is one of the first two skate parks in the nation to open. And just after two years of skating in the park in 1978,
00:34:14
he was picked up by a local skate team at just 12 years old. So it's insane. So by 1980, at 14, he's already sponsored by skate brands
00:34:24
and making money from endorsement deals. 14 years old. That's not good. So he never had to work on his education.
00:34:30
He never had to be, you know, told by his mom what to do. He never had to do any of that shit.
00:34:36
He never learned the basic stuff where you and I are getting fucking made fun of and life sucks and you have to do what your parents tell you.
00:34:42
Yeah. By from 12 years old on, he didn't have that. Yeah. I'm not fucking making excuses for him.
00:34:46
He's fucking horrible and a total piece of shit. But like. But there's reasons. Yes.
00:34:51
Yes. It's this is a problem. Yeah. So he's already being paid between four and eight thousand dollars a month for clothing and skateboarding equipment endorsements.
00:35:00
Um, he is becoming famous immediately. Everyone loves him because he has a stupor, stupor, super aggressive skate style and these
00:35:09
crazy aerial moves. And he quickly becomes one of the biggest names in the sport, in the sports wins a ton
00:35:14
of awards. Personally, he's charismatic and he's lamboyant and everyone loves his personality by 17.
00:35:20
He's earning over a hundred grand annually as a fucking 17 year old. So exciting.
00:35:26
Yeah. He pays off his mom's house. He buys himself a house. And he's doing it with this thing that comes naturally to him.
00:35:33
That is like his, it's basically his go-to to get away from things being screwed up.
00:35:38
Right. Suddenly that's rewarding him. Right. Like that's, that's kind of, he's living the dream at such a young age.
00:35:45
Totally. Like you shouldn't be allowed to. No one should allow to be successful.
00:35:49
Yeah. Some like guru that's right there going easy. Go like, go do your chores. Right.
00:35:54
Exactly. So he performing around the globe He being flown to Japan just to sign autographs not even to fucking skate like shits bananas eventually he um fucking he punches a cop in
00:36:06
the face at one point so like he's in japan no here in the states not japanese cops could you
00:36:12
imagine um and so of course he gets and that makes him even more famous all the photos are
00:36:17
in thrasher and shit he gets cocky and arrogant and just doesn't give a fuck um and also the
00:36:24
the reason I mentioned the issues with being bipolar is that one, you know, some of the symptoms of that is,
00:36:30
um, Oh God. Oh my God. Are you okay? Sorry. Steven died on recorded. It's okay. Take your time.
00:36:37
Take your time. I got really excited. You're right. You were red a minute ago, a second ago.
00:36:45
So some of the characteristics of being bipolar are things that ended up making him more famous and a better skater,
00:36:53
like impulsivity, you know, uh, not, not aware of hurting himself. He's, he thinks he's superior.
00:37:01
He, yeah, all that shit. So it actually helped him, but also made it so he didn't have to
00:37:06
have it like taken care of. Yeah. There's, it's that thing. It's, you see a lot in
00:37:11
standup comedy as well, where your person, your deep personality flaws. And oftentimes,
00:37:16
um, because if you're an addict or an alcoholic or something, you have these personality flaws
00:37:23
that actually completely serve you and benefit you. And so you spend a lot of time kind of misbehaving
00:37:31
and getting rewarded for it. Wow. It's very common. Wow. I did it for so long. I was like, are we going to start?
00:37:38
It's really hard. It's really hard. Oh, that sucks. Because you, it's basically like when there's a child
00:37:45
that like learns to show off and everyone's like, isn't that the best or whatever?
00:37:48
But then it doesn't end. then that child is 38 and borrowing money from you. I'm picturing this 38-year-old toddler borrowing money from me.
00:37:59
And gosh, she's cute. Come on, just $2,000. What? Well, this is him, 100%. So by 1987, he's 21 years old,
00:38:08
and he's earning $2 per skate deck from the company Vision, which is a new skateboarding company,
00:38:14
which we all fucking know nowadays. But back then, it had just started. and they were like, let's fucking do this. And they loved him. So they're selling 7000
00:38:23
of Gators decks with his specific logo on it. It's this like, it's almost like this Alfred
00:38:28
Hitchcock, like Vertigo, black and white spiral. So they're selling almost 7000 decks on a monthly
00:38:35
basis back fucking then. Can I remind everyone there's no fucking internet? Yeah. Like there's
00:38:40
nothing. This is Thrasher magazine. Thrasher magazine. That's it. Fill out this coupon.
00:38:44
That's right. So resulting in royalties totaling 14 grand a month for him. So he's making a fucking shit ton of money. And back then, since there weren't a ton of pro skaters, it was easy for a company just to focus on one person and put everything into that person. And for Vision, that was Gator. And he blew up and so did fucking Vision Skatewear.
00:39:06
that skatewear. So then of course, after the magazines come out, they start making skate
00:39:11
videos, which I remember watching once in a while. My brother was not into skating,
00:39:15
so I didn't get that experience, but my brother was a nerd. There's several people in my life along the lines that have been into skating and
00:39:23
skate videos are some of the funniest, coolest, and dumbest things you have ever seen in your life.
00:39:30
They can be all and none of those things. You're watching somebody like take it in the nuts four times in a row, then landing the most insane trick and then stealing milk from a 7-Eleven.
00:39:42
And they're having so much fun. And all you want to do is like be there with them.
00:39:45
But they don't want you there. They don't want you there. I know. It's so frustrating.
00:39:49
It makes me really mad. It's totally like this boys club, these dudes who are like, yeah, you want this lifestyle and you can't fucking have it.
00:39:57
But it also, to me, from some of the skaters that I've known, it's not as boys club as much as it is like a little survival team.
00:40:06
Right. These are people who like get leave their house because they can't be in their house and they go skate all day because no one's telling them to come home at night.
00:40:13
Right. And they're really good at it. It's the fucking latchkey kid of the 80s and 90s that you and I experienced.
00:40:18
Like, go do something creative and like, what's the word? Go do something constructive or go do drugs.
00:40:26
Like it's, you know, and I couldn't skateboard. They make. Okay. So skate videos start coming out, which means that people all over the kids all over the country can actually see what is happening instead of just photos.
00:40:39
And they lose their shit. Then they would watch it. And of course, they'd have their favorites.
00:40:45
And Gator was the top of the fucking heap. It made them all skate stars, including and in this group from San Diego is our friend Tony Hawk.
00:40:53
He's not our friend. We don't know a close friend of mine personally. but he's the face of it now but the thing he was on a plane that we were on recently
00:41:00
no you're thinking of the ice skater no i'm not aren't you no who was it oh sean white was on the
00:41:09
way that's right wait but we were also on the plane with an ice game johnny weir was johnny
00:41:14
weir what wow a lot just like cold weather sports guys you and i would be really good at taboo
00:41:21
together as a team. People would not want to fuck with us. We'd be champions. We'd be on Thrasher for Taboo.
00:41:28
And the gestures would be huge. And we'd get everything wrong. But Tony Hawk, if you think of Tony Hawk,
00:41:37
he was a baby-faced little kid, skinny little nerd. But Gator was fucking hot. That's the other thing about him.
00:41:43
He looked like a man. He had muscles. He took his shirt off. He was fucking in your face.
00:41:49
he was like the punk rock skater and he was like hard ass and mean and like didn give a shit and threw himself into skating in a way that looked like he would break his fucking teeth off And he did and like didn give a shit Yeah he was street He was street And so there was something about him that made everyone just in awe of him And so he he was
00:42:09
the skater that everyone tried to emulate. He was the top fucking guy. Like the rebel punk skate
00:42:15
star. And everyone lost their minds. So there were these adolescent kids whose irresponsible behavior
00:42:22
was fucking good for business. Yeah. Like the more they punched a cop, the more fucking press they got.
00:42:28
Sure. And they knew it. In an interview in Thrasher magazine, Gator said that skating is, quote,
00:42:32
a real productive way of venting some harsh aggressions. Instead of breaking a bottle and slashing someone's face,
00:42:39
you're throwing yourself at a wall with sweat dripping in your eyes. And he did have a rage issue that he got from his dad.
00:42:46
And everyone in the documentary would say that he, you know, on a dime would fucking
00:42:50
just become a rageful angry person out of nowhere yeah so he was just this combination of style and
00:42:56
edginess and being fucking hot and all you know being charismatic as a lot of fucking crazy people
00:43:02
are and it made him a star and he changed everything including making vision create a
00:43:07
streetwear clothing for like that the reason they have vision streetwear is so that gator could
00:43:11
fucking sell his shirts and berets and fucking stickers and they say hip packs in the article
00:43:17
but it's a fucking fanny pack. It's a fanny pack. I'll get on board. Yeah. It's fine.
00:43:21
Just be upfront about it. Yeah, it's okay. It's kind of like my favorite murder.
00:43:26
How we stole, how we stole hip packs and berets and... Hip packs. Hip packs. You know.
00:43:33
So, here we go. In 1987, a skate show in Scottsdale, Arizona, Gator is introduced to a 15-year-old,
00:43:41
and he's like, I think he's like 21 at this point. A 15-year-old girl named Brandy McClain,
00:43:46
And she's there. They live in Arizona with her best friend, Jessica Bergson. Brandy is the fucking epitome of the California girl, like skate style, mid 80s.
00:43:57
She's got the bleach blonde hair. She's fucking cute as shit. She's really outgoing and confident.
00:44:03
Brandy and Gator, they fall in love immediately. And they start a long term relationship or a long distance relationship.
00:44:09
So by the time Brandy 17 Gator had had moved her out to California, which like if I were
00:44:15
her parents, I would lose my fucking shit over that to his house that he fucking owns. And they
00:44:22
are they're like the it couple and they're together in all these vision advertisements,
00:44:27
you can see from them, like the two of them together. They're in that fuck the reason that
00:44:31
article is called free fallen is because they're in the fucking Tom Petty free fallen video together.
00:44:36
Oh, right. Yeah, there's the slow motion skateboarding. Yeah, there's the skateboarding.
00:44:39
So there's a lady skateboarding. It's not that's not her. That's the main girl in the fucking
00:44:43
video but then when gate when there's a guy skateboarding up on the ramp that's gator and
00:44:49
the girl sitting next to him clapping is brandy like they were fucking it yeah um and so they are
00:44:56
in promotional videos for vision and that they vision had become the top selling skateboarding
00:45:02
brand of the 80s and by 87 it's fucking huge they're live touring bringing in like five to
00:45:07
eight thousand audience members a show doing these like crazy what do they call them like a
00:45:12
demonstration yes and uh like he has photos with cindy crawford and he's on mtv with fucking
00:45:18
downtown julie brown and shit like he's a fucking celebrity remember her and dr ruth's over here
00:45:24
and looks like just let's yeah like tour through the 80s let's do it that's right he plays the
00:45:29
saxophone while he under and he skateboards over him it's great um yeah so that's and so
00:45:36
they're living the life and um gleaming the cube etc which was filmed at my high school
00:45:42
the only good thing that ever happened in my high school oh christian slater came yeah yeah
00:45:46
irvine what's up okay they travel the world they live it up but of course not shockingly the
00:45:52
relationship is tumultuous gator is often breaking up with brandy when he had what she calls and this
00:45:58
is not me saying this a quote manic freak out and would break up with her and then two weeks later
00:46:04
be like i love you what did i do i need you back for you know i'm far i fucked up he was really
00:46:08
possessive of her. He didn't want her even looking at anyone else. It was this really
00:46:12
tumultuous relationship, the kind that is super fucking romantic when you're a teenager.
00:46:16
And then you get older and you're like, that was really problematic. Oh, that was not
00:46:20
healthy. Well, as a teenager, though, it's when you get consistently served up some nice drama, it makes you feel
00:46:28
important. It makes it feel important. It's like you begin to think that's what love is. The problems. Prove it to me by this
00:46:36
and you know cry on my front lawn yeah if you like me so much that's right it's a lot of that
00:46:41
kind of stuff yeah it's very lovely and hopefully we all get over that someday um so gator becomes
00:46:48
more and more arrogant he alienates himself from his buddies he's of course drinking and they're
00:46:53
doing drugs all the time um and in the nine but then in the 90s the gators popularity starts to
00:47:01
Wayne as vert skating is overtaken by street skateboarding, which is more the Z-Boys,
00:47:09
Dogtown Z-Boys thing, where you skate off curbs and you make you do tricks on fucking flat surfaces
00:47:14
and park benches. So it's more accessible to everyone. And people kind of like it a little
00:47:18
better. And the vert people couldn't fucking do that except for Tony Hawk, which is why we know
00:47:24
who he is. So like they weren't like, like Gator wasn't able to learn those tricks. Well, neither
00:47:29
was I when you watch those skate videos though it's insane that anyone can do those tricks like
00:47:36
especially that one where they go flying and then they skate down um the handrail of long stairs
00:47:44
yeah everything about that is like how did you do that the first time right because that's the
00:47:49
scariest thing and there's no way you're not about you don't and you just keep doing it which
00:47:54
I'd be like ow that hurt I did I said ow that hurt I'm never doing that again right and they're
00:47:58
just like I kind of can't feel arms. I'm just going to keep doing it. There's a dog. Can I pause real quick?
00:48:03
A dog skateboarder? No. What's that dog skateboarder's name? Will you put that on the app? Will you leave that in? I just texted Vince. Okay. I figured
00:48:17
it out after a brief break. His name is Murdy the dog. M-U-R-D-Y the D-A-W-G. Nope. D-A-W-G.
00:48:26
you were thinking do you know yeah uh no no no he's the best fucking dog he's called the
00:48:35
smoothest skater on four paws what was my point of this you remember you can not show me oh
00:48:40
i didn't know oh okay she just puts her phone away yep i just wanted to know his name and the
00:48:47
spelling of his no dude he's so into it he loves it he loves it he's like such a good pup how's that
00:48:58
gonna cut together i don't know okay steven good luck with that okay so unable to make the transition
00:49:04
into fucking street skating by 1990 he's washed up already as a he's like 23 and he's like
00:49:09
people are like laughing at him like kids who are skating at the skate park are like laughing at him
00:49:14
no yeah so of course he's got this issue i'm sure he has an ego fucking problem yes well and also
00:49:21
because it's a thing of like the people that go through that go through it and never think they
00:49:27
never think they're gonna not be popular like plus like you know if you become rich later in life you
00:49:31
like maybe have some you understand what not to fucking waste your money on and save some of it
00:49:36
but like if you're not not when you're 14 no i don't think so no absolutely not so he's washed
00:49:41
up as his vision who files for chapter 11 bankruptcy too but they come back don't worry
00:49:47
oh good good good yeah so he's in australia for some skate thing this fucking little kid
00:49:52
i don't know how old he is is bugging him and bugging him to get a fucking autograph and he's
00:49:56
like leave me alone whatever he wouldn't leave him alone gator punches the kid in the face
00:50:01
which is like australia is like fuck you oh my god like so people start to hate him
00:50:07
yeah he's got major fucking issues obviously he's a fucking dick you can't punch a child
00:50:14
australia bans him so of course sales there plummet and everyone knows you need to be on
00:50:19
australia's good side because they're the fucking best that's right we love you melden perth we swear we'll come someday sydney what's up what a bridge
00:50:28
um okay and then things this is where things like you can see they they make a fucking hard
00:50:39
ollie and turn around and nice thank you yeah um so he's in germany for a tournament
00:50:45
gets blackout drunk on our best friend jägermeister god damn it which we know is just
00:50:53
gateway to stupid behavior. Also, it starts so smooth. Like when you have your first shot of Jaeger, it tastes
00:51:02
like medicine. So you're like, it warms you. Yeah, it warms you, but it also burns. So
00:51:06
you're like, okay, I'm only going to do that once. And then 19 of those later, you're punching a
00:51:12
mailbox or whatever. No, you're not. You're falling out of a fucking hotel window
00:51:16
and landing on a wrought iron fence. That's what Gator fucking did. And it's this whole thing of like, did he jump out of it
00:51:22
because he thought he could fly. Did he fall out of it? Did he put it? Like, it seems like he just fucking fell out of it.
00:51:26
But him jumping out to think he could fly because he was blackout drunk, which he always did,
00:51:30
like, doesn't seem out of character either. No, no. For me, you mean? Because you're right.
00:51:37
Well, it's one of those things where, like, it's the guy who has to be bigger than everyone else.
00:51:40
Like, there's video of him running around naked in the fucking hotel hallway. And he always has to, like, he has to be the one.
00:51:46
And so I think, like, of all these, like, rebellious skater dudes, he's the one that, like, scared them a little even.
00:51:51
Yeah, which is really saying something because I remember we had a friend who had skateboard friends that would come to comedy parties.
00:51:59
And there was one time we were all drunk and like people are dancing in a circle.
00:52:03
And then one of the comics jumped in the middle of the circle and pretended he was going to take a shit in the middle of the circle.
00:52:08
And then, of course, jumped back out. Who? And Nick Schwartzen. And the skateboard guy, I remember going, yeah, the difference is this was a skateboard party.
00:52:18
They really would have shit. Well, then I don't want to go to a skateboard party.
00:52:21
I turn to the guy and I go, then there would be shit in the living room. Like that seems to be the disconnect.
00:52:26
But it really is a who will go the furthest. It's just boys who are left upstairs and no one's paying enough attention.
00:52:32
They never had to mature. And of course, there's like, I hate this. And I didn't want to call them like skateboard buddies.
00:52:38
But there's these skateboard groupies who like, well, love them no matter what. They can get away with it.
00:52:43
They don't have to be fucking mature in a relationship. They can do whatever they want, you know.
00:52:47
And why would they change? And they don't think they have to. it's uh yeah it's almost like they were forced rich kids it's like unnaturally rich rich kids
00:52:58
yeah yeah exactly no one handles any of that shit well then then you put some jägermeister in there
00:53:03
except tony hawk tony hawk who oh my god is he one i know nothing about tony hawk he seems nice
00:53:10
i don't i don't know i don't know he seems like i think he does charity things i just saw a thing
00:53:15
where he posted a video of his daughter dropping in for the first time and watching she stood there
00:53:21
for so long and couldn't do it couldn't do it and then she finally does it and it's the best video
00:53:26
he's a great guy yeah our friend michelle balloon her daughter who's like eight is learning to
00:53:31
fucking skate i'm following them on instagram i think she's younger than eight i think she's
00:53:36
like more like six two and a half pipes and shit she's badass like really badass okay so he falls
00:53:42
on this fucking red iron fence impales the shit out of himself maybe hits his head i don't know
00:53:47
so like whatever um he impales his neck face and thumb god and he wakes up the next morning he like what happened he doesn even remember like we had to pull you off of a fence And you then started trying to fight the fucking ambulance workers Of course He out of control Yeah
00:54:05
So he goes home to Carlsbad to recover where he now lives with Brandy in their condo.
00:54:12
But he starts acting super fucking weird. First, he says, first, he wants to reinvent himself and changes his name from Mark Gator
00:54:19
Rogowski to Mark to Gator Mark Anthony saying that his last name Rogowski was the name of his dad
00:54:28
who we fucking never knew. So fuck him, which is like, all right, fair enough. Still. But again,
00:54:33
like again, with the nicknames or whatever, it's the name isn't going to do it. That's not no,
00:54:37
if only it were that simple. And it was weird, because like, everyone be like, I was looking
00:54:40
through Thrasher and suddenly there's this guy named Mark, named Gator Mark Anthony. Who the
00:54:45
fuck is that? This guy is like, like, you know, I think a lot of people probably were distancing
00:54:49
themselves from him at this point already. And then that happened. Then he becomes friends with
00:54:54
an ex-surfer and skateboarder named Augie Constantino, who also had been badly injured
00:54:58
in a dumb drinking incident. But Augie had found God from the incident. He was like this, I need to
00:55:05
learn. He couldn't fucking skateboard and surf anymore. So he becomes a born again Christian,
00:55:09
and he becomes Gator's spiritual advisor and converts Gator to strict evangelical Christianity.
00:55:17
whatever it'll take to get gator off that fence is good no it's not it's an it's bad okay we don't
00:55:27
like it he becomes fanatical about it and like in the documentary one of his friends is like he
00:55:32
became fanatical about anything he did so this is not like this was new he said jesus christ spoke
00:55:38
to me through that incident with the fence i was a blind dude but now i can see so he's born again
00:55:44
he be he starts covering his boards with religious symbols preaching to fucking skaters and surfers
00:55:49
and anyone else who listen to him about his friend jesus he tells brandy who who's now been there for
00:55:55
four fucking years of his bullshit so that means she's not in her teens anymore uh that because of
00:56:01
his newfound religion they can't fuck anymore unless they get married oh and she takes that
00:56:06
chance to be like great goodbye like okay great i'm gonna fucking take this as my
00:56:11
a sign from also jesus has been talking to me a little bit too and told me to break up with you
00:56:16
exactly she's like awesome um she's sick of his bullshit including bouts of violence and unprovoked
00:56:23
jealousy and she takes it as her opportunity to get the fuck out of there she goes home to her
00:56:28
parents house in san diego her mom and stepdad um but the end of this relationship sends gator
00:56:34
fucking over the edge he's already crazy it has it's not her fault it has nothing to do with her
00:56:39
he's not treated and he's mentally ill and he and this is his fucking breaking point so he starts
00:56:45
drinking heavily again using cocaine then brandy starts dating a surfer pretty quickly after the
00:56:51
breakup and uh which she's fucking allowed to do yeah and gator becomes obsessively jealous starts
00:56:56
stalking her fucking breaks into her house and steals back all the shit he gave her including a
00:57:02
car steals her car wow and then making threatening calls to her house to her fucking new boyfriend's
00:57:08
family's house. Somehow he got the number like he's stalking the shit out of her. So he's again,
00:57:13
he's a fanatic about yes, about making their lives hell. Exactly. And finally, she tries to like have
00:57:22
a conversation with him and like hang out with him. And he's like, I should fucking take you to
00:57:26
the desert and kill you and leave you there. And she's just like, my mom knows where I am. Take me
00:57:30
home right now. And that's where she's like, I need to leave town. So she doesn't want him to be
00:57:35
able to track her because clearly he can right now. So she doesn't tell anyone that she's leaving
00:57:40
town and she except her parents and she doesn't tell anyone where she's going or why. She just is
00:57:45
like, I need to just leave so no one can track me. Yeah. Unfortunately, this is the fatal move
00:57:52
because her best friend from way back in Arizona, Jessica doesn't know that and doesn't know what's
00:57:59
been going on because of course, Gator isolated Brandy and was like, you can't have friends,
00:58:03
You can't go out with your friends. So they weren't talking as much anymore. And so Jessica didn't really know what was going on in their relationship.
00:58:10
So Jessica had been living in Arizona and she moved to San Diego. She was like this gorgeous girl.
00:58:18
She was going to be a model. She was going to open a flower store. So she's 20. It's March, 1991.
00:58:23
She's 22 years old. And she had just been in San Diego for like 10 days. She gets ahold of Gator.
00:58:29
And she's like the only person. This is the only person I know her know here. He's 24 years old.
00:58:34
And she was like, can you show me around and like introduce me to people? And like Brandy, she's this tall, blonde, beautiful girl.
00:58:44
Her friends describe her as tough and savvy and incredibly intelligent and free spirited.
00:58:50
So on March 21st, 1991, they spend the day together. They go to lunch. They fucking hang out all day.
00:58:55
There's no it's there's no undertone of hooking up. And I get this to where it's like, you know, with your friends, boyfriends or ex-boyfriends,
00:59:02
you're like, I'm safe because you dated my friend. We're never going to hook up.
00:59:05
Right. They go back to Gator's condo to watch movies and drink wine. And around 2.30 a.m., she's like,
00:59:11
I'm ready to go home. He insists on taking her home. He's like, let me make sure my
00:59:15
driver's license is in my car. He goes out to the car and instead of his driver's license,
00:59:21
he grabs his club, which we remember as, I don't think people know what it is anymore.
00:59:26
It's a metal auto anti-theft device. My dad still uses it because it's a dad thing.
00:59:33
He bought me one when I got my first car. It's the thing where you put it around.
00:59:36
Like it's a locking mechanism for the steering wheel. That's like a metal thing that you can't steal the car when it's on.
00:59:44
Yeah, you can't drive because it blocks the steering wheel. Right. It blocks the steering wheel from moving.
00:59:49
So and it's also like, you know, if you look in the car, you'll see it. You'll go to another car.
00:59:53
Right. My dad still uses it. Except for the people that are good at stealing cars break in and then cut that little part of the steering wheel and take it off Oh yeah Shit Because it only works if there two sides of the steering wheel
01:00:05
Oh, I'm stealing cars from now on. I didn't even know that. Ask me about these things.
01:00:09
I'll tell you. Shit. Karen's led a life of positivity. So positive. So for some reason, and it was like this metal bar.
01:00:18
Yeah. He brings it in to the house. No. I know. and he uh she's on the floor getting her steps together getting ready to leave and he strikes
01:00:29
her over the head with it multiple times knocking her unconscious just out of nowhere they've been
01:00:35
spending the fucking day together like hanging out and then he just snaps and he snaps um we don't
01:00:40
know if he maybe put the moves on her and she was like no this isn't happening but later he says that
01:00:45
that in his mind somewhere during the day she just turned into brandy in his mind
01:00:49
like she was he wanted to do this to brandy and instead he did it to her best friend so uh he
01:00:57
knocks her unconscious he ties her up in his bedroom rapes her for a long period of time and
01:01:04
then um he he uh smothers her when he puts her in a surfboarding bag and he takes all the evidence
01:01:13
and drives a couple hours out to the desert and buries her in a shallow grave so literally
01:01:19
exactly what he threatened to do to brand that's exactly right unbelievable it's crazy it's so
01:01:23
fucking heartbreaking the next day jessica's dad back in arizona is like why hasn't why haven't i
01:01:29
heard from her immediately files a missing persons report ends up flying out because he doesn't think
01:01:33
san diego pd is doing enough of course i'm sure no dad ever thinks the fucking pd is doing enough
01:01:37
of course um and so for the next two months friends are putting up missing flyer missing
01:01:42
persons flyers even the dad even goats like sees gator and was like do you know where she is they
01:01:47
like shaking hands and gators like i don't know where she is to her dad's fucking face um and so
01:01:54
so jessica bergson's body is found by campers or like it sounds like it was like a kid fucking
01:02:00
mountain biking out there on april 10th 1991 but i think it was so far away and the body is so
01:02:06
decomposed that there's they can't identify her so i don't think they knew that she was it was her
01:02:10
yet right but the next day uh apparently filled with fucking guilt maybe gator confesses to his
01:02:18
friend the surfer dude constantine oh who told him that he needs to confess takes him to the
01:02:24
fucking cops and is like go in there and confess oh good yeah so and i mean maybe he would have
01:02:30
never been caught it's it's very possible if he hadn't confessed he would have never been caught
01:02:35
which is so fucking awful so uh gator turns himself in on april 11th 1991 and he just took
01:02:45
prove that he did it he has to lead them to where he buried her they were like what murder are you
01:02:49
talking about they didn't even know about it um and then police searches home they find evidence
01:02:54
of the blood he had bought like a fucking steam cleaner for his rug but they pulled it up and
01:02:58
the blood had gone all the way down to the floorboards and uh he says that he killed her in a
01:03:05
misplaced act of revenge toward his ex brandy he said that she was the mold of brandy the mold that
01:03:11
brandy was made out of so this guy this fucking asshole is so problematic there's certain parts
01:03:16
where he seems to take full responsibility for it there's other times where he's like he says it was
01:03:20
because of porn that he watched as a kid he says that it you know it's because of fucking um having
01:03:28
unmarried sex before corrupted him and it's satan like he won't he's a fucking dick um and he's it
01:03:35
obviously he hasn't come to terms right so then it's just here's the reason and here's the excuse
01:03:41
here's the reason excuse so i don't feel terrible about myself and so i don't have to take any
01:03:45
responsibility for this yeah so upon entering prison he's diagnosed with severe bipolar and so
01:03:53
but of course he also said that he had thought about getting psychiatric help but uh his religion
01:03:58
his new found religion didn't frown upon that go there's no satan go get help yeah everyone
01:04:05
well and also i don't understand how a religion could frown upon you getting better totally you
01:04:11
are suffering 100 that i yeah that doesn't seem to track that well what the thing is that is the
01:04:18
point is that it's your fault and if you are a better person and pray more it'll go away and
01:04:23
because it's not gone away that means you're a piece of shit like that's not that's not science
01:04:27
That's not science. That's not how it actually works. If your religion is trying to teach you that, it's because they're trying to keep you down.
01:04:32
Yeah. And you need to question that. Yeah. So, of course, the story blows the fuck up.
01:04:38
It's a perfect story for the media. Hardcopy does a dramatic reenactment. And I'm sure the actress quit acting immediately after that.
01:04:47
Reenactments from the 80s and 90s. I mean, may they all die a quiet death. That's right.
01:04:52
Because there have been some awful ones. Horrible. He changes the story, makes a bunch of bullshit.
01:04:57
says it was kinky sex gone wrong. Fuck you. He tells his friends to believe in him. They don't.
01:05:03
They do and then don't. He eventually pleads guilty to first degree murder and rape, avoiding
01:05:07
the death penalty or life without parole. So in January 1992, at the plea hearing, he
01:05:13
submits a four page written statement, accepting responsibility, but also blames
01:05:17
himself for having sex outside of marriage, for being promiscuous, all this other bullshit. Who fucking cares?
01:05:24
He's sentenced on March 6, 1992. So that day that he sentenced five extra uniform bailiffs have to be there with metal detectors as guards because Jessica's dad says, I have nothing to lose.
01:05:38
I'm going to fucking kill that motherfucker. Oh, no. Yeah. Rogowski apologizes to Mr. Bergstein, who shouts back in a 20 minute fucking monologue of what a piece of shit this guy is.
01:05:51
Everyone's crying while he does it. He says that he a coward and he should die a thousand deaths so Rogowski received six years for forcible rape then 25 years for the first degree murder charges And he eligible for parole after 31 years So February 7 2011
01:06:10
he's denied parole. Thank God. I'm saying that he's an unreasonable risk to society.
01:06:14
In 2016, he's again denied parole for seven years. So he's not going to be eligible for parole until
01:06:19
March of 2023, which marks the minimum of his sentence when he'll be in his mid 50s.
01:06:25
So yeah, it's horrible, awful. Jessica is buried in a family plot in Georgia. On the day of her burial, her father compared her to a butterfly that had just landed on his arm
01:06:37
and said, like a butterfly, she was only on this earth a short time, but brought so much beauty
01:06:43
and happiness. And that is the murder of Jessica Bergson by Mark Gator Rogowski.
01:06:48
wow fucking crazy so the fact that something that dark and awful happened in that kind of like
01:06:56
you know it was there was a little innocence to that playful world yes it's like it's it's a hobby
01:07:03
it's a it's people getting great at a pastime right and cool at a pastime and then succeeding
01:07:09
yeah and here's my line of shoes and i'm tony alva and all that where it's all very like hooray for
01:07:14
the little guy. So the idea that then the little guy, it turns that hard. Well, that's why I think
01:07:20
you don't hear about it a lot is a lot of skaters don't want to fucking talk about it. Yeah, it just
01:07:25
marred their whole career, like it marred their whole, what's the word job, the whole scene,
01:07:30
the whole scene, it made everyone look bad. You know, it was like the whole, I was also in the
01:07:33
80s, the satanic panic, and everyone wanted to make these guys look like, you know, the bad boys
01:07:38
and shit. But so they don't know what talks about it. Yeah. But there's this thing that happened,
01:07:43
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Check out Odoo at odoo.com. That's odoo.com. Well, so while we were on the road when we did our weekend that was Baltimore, Philly, D.C., I kept finding a show on TV called Deadly Rich.
01:10:05
I think it was on HLN. And I was, it was so satisfying. It was just like all these stories of rich people murdering each other because, and every
01:10:16
single time it was, you know, there's, there's some like son that is a ne'er do well.
01:10:23
Right. And then someone finds out that there's a life insurance for $2 million on his mother.
01:10:28
There's all those great, great, great, insane greed. and also really just no ability to kind of big picture it
01:10:36
where it's like this absolutely will go. You're going to get caught. It's almost like it's the murders and shit and the crimes that wouldn't happen
01:10:43
if you were just average person. Yes. But suddenly it's like I got cut out of the will
01:10:48
and I thought I was going to live off this $3 million for the rest of my life. And I've been acting like it.
01:10:53
Yeah. And now I get nothing and it's because of this old bat. So, you know, here we go.
01:10:58
People not living positively. so there's a ton of negativity but please watch deadly rich oh my god it sounds awful and amazing
01:11:05
yeah um and and so satisfying like we us coming home from a night of doing shows and then you're
01:11:12
just like ah yes um people being pushed down long flights of stairs grand flights of stairs
01:11:19
just the grandest the grandest doms um so this one came up in one of those episodes and i
01:11:27
it's so funny because I pulled it because I knowing that we had a Detroit show coming up
01:11:32
yeah because it was near Detroit and then then began my long journey in did we do this one
01:11:39
already or not okay and me Stephen Jay like a bunch of us looking into it couldn't figure it
01:11:45
out for the longest time you couldn't have asked me well I know I couldn't have asked you and
01:11:50
And when Stephen and I were looking into it, it was a thing where I had basically said I was going to do it and
01:12:00
had research for it and then changed my mind day of. Okay. And the funny thing is Steven goes,
01:12:05
yeah, no in that Detroit show. And he's mentioning stories where I'm like, I have no idea what you're talking about.
01:12:10
No memory of it. Yeah. It was very like email records. It was like, yes, we had to like,
01:12:16
we had to go onto the motherboard and get the mainframe up. Isn't that funny when you like ask people who listen,
01:12:21
have we done this? Cause it's been three years of insanity and we haven't caught up with our
01:12:25
brains yet. Yeah. So week by week for the past three years, we don't fucking know what we've been doing.
01:12:29
Well, and also those live shows, we change our mind day of constantly. There's something that goes.
01:12:34
It's like the part of the panic of this is going to be a live show story. And suddenly it's like it isn't good or is good or whatever.
01:12:41
Yeah. But I've been. But also the reason that I couldn't figure it out is because this story has been on Dateline.
01:12:49
It's been on every single one of them has featured this. So it's like how we not done that.
01:12:54
It's a city confidential. I love it. You've seen it a million times. and because it's incredibly lurid.
01:13:01
It's the murder of Jane Beshara. Which one is she? Okay. You know what? How about you tell me?
01:13:10
How about I don't tell you and then I tell you? Okay, just tell me, tell me. Okay, so yeah, Deadly Rich is the main source
01:13:16
and then obviously all the Wikipedia style and Murderpedia. Again, Murderpedia, please donate.
01:13:25
to please keep murderpedia live for us um okay so we'll talk first we'll talk about jane beschara
01:13:31
she um is a 56 year old woman who lives in the very affluent detroit suburb of gross point park
01:13:39
um uh with her husband of 26 years bob and their two children she has a bachelor's and a master's
01:13:47
in business administration and yeah and she has this really um high level job senior market
01:13:53
marketing manager for an energy consulting company in Detroit. That sounds fancy as fuck.
01:13:59
Yeah. She's got so many blouses with ties and ruffled necks. Yes. Real silk, too.
01:14:04
Her nails were perfect. Tennis bracelets? Just every day, she was wearing those Eileen Fisher separate.
01:14:10
Oh, my God. And like walkable heels. Yes. But still very fashionable. I love her.
01:14:16
Yeah. And she's well-respected at work, but she's also active in her kids' lives.
01:14:20
She's basically doing that suburban mom thing where she's doing it all. She was actually the president of the Grosse Pointe South High School Mother's Club.
01:14:30
Jesus, they have a mother's club? I mean, apparently. And that's the kind of thing that if I even put the flyer in front of my mom, she'd be like, get it away from me.
01:14:39
Rich people have so many clubs. They have clubs and they basically know how to manage their time.
01:14:45
I think it's like they don't eat carbs, so they have a lot of energy. Oh, I'm tired all the time.
01:14:50
And they have nannies and house cleaners and shit. So they're like, well, I didn't spend four hours doing upkeep.
01:14:55
But they were also raised by like surgeons and shit. So they're like, this is not important.
01:15:00
This is important. My new favorite phrase is generational wealth. Yes. Because like that's what some people are used to.
01:15:08
Yeah. It's like there hasn't been a poor person around here for 29 years. In gross points, blanks out.
01:15:16
Right. Okay. So she's just basically doing it all and killing it. Her husband, Bob, is a 54-year-old businessman who owns and manages about 50 rental properties in the area.
01:15:29
And his father, he's from a wealthy and successful family because his father was a state appellate court judge.
01:15:36
Shit. So I'm on my laptop and I do the thing where I scroll down with the button and then it flips me back up.
01:15:44
Oh, no. Bob also is a lot very much into philanthropy. And he is the president of gross, the gross point rotary club, where he is known for and lauded for collecting a million pounds of non perishable food, a million pounds of books and a million pounds of clothing for families and then lighting it on fire.
01:16:06
Oh, okay. You'll get it when you stop doing drugs. No. All right. That's nice. He basically is all about giving back.
01:16:14
Okay, great. And obviously, yeah, that's what this family is all about. They're basically an all-American Midwest family that's on the upper range of doing great.
01:16:24
Okay. So it's very surprising when on January 24th, 2012, Jane Beshara leaves for work.
01:16:33
sorry it's very surprising that on January 24th 2012 Jane Beshara leaves work around four o'clock
01:16:41
from her downtown Detroit office building she talks to her daughter on her cell phone and she
01:16:47
drives home and then that night at around eight o'clock her husband Bob comes home from work
01:16:53
and he had been doing maintenance repairs on one of his rental properties he sees Jane's not home
01:17:00
He tries herself. She doesn't answer. And he just figures she's out running errands. They're both busy people. That's pretty standard fare. So then he just basically goes about his business and relaxes. But around 930, when there's still no sign of Jane, he calls some friends and family members. He calls his own kids, basically saying, have you talked to mom? Where is she? What's going on?
01:17:21
um then he notices her work id is in the house which means she came home after work and then went
01:17:27
out after but her um her car isn't in the driveway so by 11 30 at night bob decides it's time to call
01:17:35
the police and like basically file a missing persons report so on deadly rich my favorite
01:17:41
news show sure um they had a 911 call that i didn't get to the clicker in time for so i had
01:17:47
to listen to it and this is another we've talked about this a lot so i'm the person i don't want to
01:17:52
hear 9 calls i don want to see crime scene photos um but on this one i i think i let it it not like a panic i found a body call so it not like the same thing it not someone pretending to be upset right which for some reason upsets me
01:18:07
10 times more than how they're faking it yeah but what is funny is he's trying to sound casual
01:18:15
which is just that thing where it's like you can't sound casual you know you can't and and
01:18:19
it's acting is very hard. I think people don't understand that you're being recorded.
01:18:25
Yeah. And basically you're auditioning. Yeah. As you're the, you're the husband that's mildly concerned,
01:18:31
but knows there's nothing really to worry about. And I like, it's kind of like, do,
01:18:35
are there couples who don't know each other's whereabouts for hours? I mean, well,
01:18:39
this, this is back then. I guess not. It's 2012. Yeah. As, as a fucking very, not codependent.
01:18:46
We, in therapy, we call it interdependent. As a very, as part of a very interdependent couple hood, we know each where the others
01:18:54
at all the time. Yes. Constantly. It would make sense. Now, these people are like, well, they're rich.
01:19:00
They have children. It might get old. You guys might be like enough of this. I don't care where you are.
01:19:06
You're at the bar still. I don't know. I know where you are. Yeah, exactly. But at the same time, it is weird that just to have no idea.
01:19:15
Sure. And then it's almost midnight. Yes. No, thanks. Okay. I would hope to someday be in an interdependent relationship where someone would give a shit if I didn't come home by 1130.
01:19:24
It's me. Yeah. Hi. Hi. Oh, is it going to be you? God damn it. Karen, why aren't you home?
01:19:31
And then I start rebelling against you. I can do what I fucking want. Yeah, you can.
01:19:35
Oh, oh, I can. Now I don't know what to do. Okay, so the next morning around 930 in the morning, a tow truck diver comes upon Jane's Mercedes Benz SUV.
01:19:46
Because it's parked in an alleyway in East Detroit. I don't know this one at all.
01:19:51
You don't? No. Okay, hold on because the details might start to come to you. All right.
01:19:56
This alley is six miles away from where they live. And it's clearly not in, like, it's a totally different part of town.
01:20:04
The driver notifies the authorities. When the police come to look at the vehicle, they find the dead body of Jane Beshara in the backseat of her own car.
01:20:13
Yeah. They take the body to Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office, and there they determine that her cause of death is strangulation.
01:20:23
Okay, so two days later, Grosse Pointe Park Police issue a statement saying that Bob Beshara is currently their only person of interest.
01:20:31
obviously as as it all goes and we know the husband did it you look at the husband first
01:20:38
um bob is cooperating with the authorities he uh comes in for questioning he also takes a polygraph
01:20:45
test so they're kind of like did he not do it well tell me more i will i'd love i'm being positive
01:20:53
i want to know um yeah it's really it's open-minded of you to say did he not do i know
01:20:59
So both Bob's side of the family and Jane's side of the family comes forward immediately to say there is no way he did this.
01:21:07
I will never say that. I'm sorry, Yolanda and Andy, my in-law, my brother-in-law and my sister-in-law.
01:21:12
I will always say he definitely or she definitely did it. Did it. Even if you did it.
01:21:17
Well, isn't that the worst thing in the world, though? And I think it's also one of my worst fears is the discovery that you there are people that you would know where you'd be like, of course, you would never murder any murderer.
01:21:29
yes and then you're wrong well that's what people a bunch of the skateboarders did like free
01:21:33
fucking free gator and like course but it turns out you're just a piece of shitty as a murderer
01:21:38
yeah that's it's a big fear it's a big fear and also it's like it's what is the what is the extent
01:21:44
of friendship how well does anybody know anybody no one knows anybody no and as we've talked about
01:21:49
a billion times the sociopaths and the psychopaths right are the most convincing we know if steven
01:21:55
got, I would say Stephen did it. There's like a murder that didn't even happen yet. I know Stephen
01:21:59
did it. Look, look, listen, Stephen is the last person we'd accused. So Stephen's the first person
01:22:04
we're going to accuse. Exactly. That's how, that's how we're thinking. So, um, but both families
01:22:09
assert that he's incapable of this horrific act. That's a quote. Um, they also are quick to defend
01:22:15
one of the neighbors named, unfortunately, Alex Jones said, um, said blue, blah, bleep, blah,
01:22:22
said they were just a great couple. There's no doubt in my mind that it was not him.
01:22:29
So and so after the questioning, then the police do reveal. And this is what's interesting is I feel like this is one of those things where local news had caught on to that kind of OJCNN minute by minute reporting.
01:22:45
Yeah. Where it's such in that neighborhood, it was such a shock that this woman, this white, rich woman was found dead in her own car.
01:22:54
But then that basically everything that happens in this case happens on the news.
01:22:59
I mean, those people love nothing more than fucking cops coming out of a mansion with yellow.
01:23:05
Like that's their favorite fucking thing. And they'll sit on that for hours. That's that's media birthday party.
01:23:11
That's right. That's just like we all go to the skating rink and eat cupcakes together.
01:23:15
because this is and it gets even more so okay good um which is not good crazy but yeah i mean
01:23:22
it's how it is so um so the thing is that the police reveal that bob was found to be lying on
01:23:29
his polygraph test they won't disclose what he's lying about but they basically are like we're still
01:23:35
looking at him would you ever take a polygraph test it doesn't seem like a good idea if you were
01:23:39
innocent and you were like i didn't do this it doesn't seem like it's going to help you either
01:23:43
way. I don't trust my own self-conscious. What is the problem with that word today?
01:23:51
That like that your subconscious That my subconscious saying don fucking talk about me Don trust yourself How dare you talk about me in front of these people I just don I don know what I would do Like I feel like all of a sudden my hands would get sweaty in a way that would be like the thing of like I not stealing anything when you not stealing
01:24:07
anything. I'm totally innocent. Right. It's like, yeah, you are. Yeah. Right. But then you look
01:24:11
guilty if you don't take one. I, I am so, I paid too close attention to things to not seem suspicious.
01:24:20
Right. Me too. Ask for a lawyer. That's yes. Always ask for a lawyer and just kind of put
01:24:24
your hands up. Just be like, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. My lawyers, Karen in Georgia,
01:24:28
told me to ask for another lawyer. Because I have such a guilty conscience. It would all be coming
01:24:35
up and it wouldn't be related to the crime they arrested me for. Yeah, my name is Karen, but my
01:24:39
parents wanted to name me Gloria. So you're lying about it. So I am kind of lying, I guess, in a way.
01:24:44
Yeah. Ma'am, please just answer the question. Well, actually, I have a couple questions about
01:24:49
the question okay so for real seriously for real now so um on january 28th this is so this is about
01:24:57
four days later the police searched the bishara's home for potential evidence um and they are seen
01:25:02
and you know it's all on the local news cameras they're seen leaving the home with several items
01:25:08
let me guess it's like a fucking brick uh we're gonna tutor tutor tutor yeah tutor with some
01:25:13
fucking columns and shit and fucking clapboard bullshit you've seen this you've seen i've seen
01:25:18
You know it. Okay. In your subconscious. Okay. So a few days later, on January 31st, investigators announced that Jane had been murdered somewhere else and her body was placed in her car after death.
01:25:35
So now it goes on for a while where they're watching Bob Boshara. He's, you know, he's like basically saying I was gone.
01:25:48
I was gone that day. These are my and this is my favorite part. Well, I'll come to this later, but because, Bob, the buildings that he owns.
01:25:58
Yeah, I was just going to say, can I make a guess? Anyone who works in like a construction industry or some kind of thing where they have they have workers.
01:26:06
Yes. who they can hire to kill the wife and make it look like a random act of violence.
01:26:13
So you know this one. Yeah. So stop ruining my story. I'm just kidding. But this is literally the next paragraph is the same day that they announced that all
01:26:26
of a sudden out of the fucking blue, a guy walks into the police station on January 31st.
01:26:31
His name is Joe Gents. he is Bob Beshara's handyman who has worked on different odd jobs
01:26:39
for Bob Beshara over the years comes forward to the police confessing he killed Jane Beshara
01:26:47
so he tells police when they interrogate him or whatever that Bob Beshara had promised
01:26:56
to pay him $2,000 and give him an old Cadillac in exchange for killing jane beschara it's disgusting it's disgusting um not that any amount of money
01:27:08
is okay to kill someone but it's like that's so sad it's terrible like she is such an important
01:27:14
person to so many people and for fucking two grand it's just all the dirtiest grossest it's
01:27:20
just like what you don't want to know about other yeah it's like a human being's life is
01:27:24
nothing to you yeah so joe states that he agreed to the terms he strangled jane in the beschara's
01:27:31
garage. And then he helped Bob dispose of her body by placing it in the back of the SUV and driving
01:27:37
it to the alley in Detroit City where it was found. Joe chose to confess out of the fear that if any of
01:27:46
that information got out, that all the blame would lay on him and Bob would get away with no
01:27:53
consequences. So he basically was saying, I'm coming forward and admitting to this because I
01:27:58
I want to make sure this guy goes down because it was his idea. And Joe Gens is, they call him, they use different phrases.
01:28:06
Mentally challenged is one, like just has a low IQ is another. But he seems to be the kind of person that would be easily manipulated
01:28:14
and is basically kind of saying, please make sure that I'm not the only person that goes down for this.
01:28:20
The problem is that Joe Gens' story is inconsistent. In one account, he says that Bob Beshara struck a deal with him to kill Jane.
01:28:26
Another one, he says that Bashar forced him to kill Jane at gunpoint, saying that if he didn't kill her, that then he would kill Gens.
01:28:36
So if Gens didn't kill Jane, that Bashar would kill Gens. So immediately then, Bob, Bashar's attorney, a guy named David Grime, he claims that Bashar had actually owed Gens the two grand and that Gens murdered Jane Bashar out of anger for not repaying him.
01:28:55
which doesn't really track. Bob maintains that he was in no way involved with James murder and that,
01:29:01
um, his team leans on against his mental disability to call the confession into question.
01:29:06
So it's basically like this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. He also says that he doesn't,
01:29:11
that Bob doesn't even own a gun. So the version of against his story couldn't be true.
01:29:15
And the authorities hold guns for three days to question him. But then they basically say,
01:29:20
you're right. This is a false confession. and they dismiss the confession and they release Joe Gantz.
01:29:25
What? Yes. Okay. What is that? I don't know what's true anymore. I know, right? So, and neither do the police.
01:29:32
So then, okay, but the thing is, the media already has their teeth in this story.
01:29:37
Oh, sure. And it's the classic, like, then there's a confession, but the confession doesn't stick.
01:29:43
It's almost like good that the media is involved because they're like, wait a fucking goddamn minute.
01:29:46
Yes. And they're like, well, there's got to be other stuff and there's got to be people willing to talk.
01:29:51
We need more video footage of tutors. That's right. Being raided. We need houses being Raided Fully Fully raided Yeah And men in blazers walking out and looking concerned That right Um we all need that So uh okay
01:30:06
So then on February 2nd, 2012, the story breaks that Bob Beshara has been leading a double
01:30:12
life. Of course he has. And is this the part, this might be the part that clicks it over into true familiarity for
01:30:18
you. Okay. because not only has Bob Ashara been having an affair with a woman, um,
01:30:23
and keeping basically keeping a woman, of course, um, he's also, he runs a secret S and M club.
01:30:30
How the fuck have I never heard of that? Okay. So that would have been, that would have been the detail.
01:30:36
That was, that would have been the trigger that clicked it into my memory because that,
01:30:40
no, if the other part was the media birthday party at the roller rink, then that was the Coke dealer showing up and saying everything's for free
01:30:47
because, a murder in the suburbs and then the husband has a double life as a sex S&M guy.
01:30:55
I can hear the City Confidential episode, which is my favorite fucking show in the whole world.
01:31:00
Yes. They fucking interview the local journalists. They fucking, it's just the best.
01:31:05
Yes. Oh my God. And in the sleepy bird. But now it was not well. So in this episode
01:31:13
of Deadly Rich, so that, I'm sure there's a City Confidential, I'm positive about it.
01:31:18
But in this episode, there is a guy named Mike Boyanis and he runs the bar called the Hard Luck Lounge.
01:31:27
The local fucking dive. Yep. Where the journalists go to eat. Well, that Babashara owns the building.
01:31:33
So he's basically Mike Boyanis' landlord. And this the episode of Deadly Rich kicks off with Mike Boyanis being like, he wasn't my friend.
01:31:42
He was my landlord. Whoa. He gave everybody the creeps. Like him just holding forth.
01:31:48
And so then one day. We have to go there next time we're in Detroit. The hard luck lounge.
01:31:51
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hope it's still there. Because this guy, I love him so much.
01:31:55
And he says, at one point, the fuse box blew out or whatever. So they had to get an electrician.
01:32:01
And they went downstairs into what was known as Bob's office that no one went downstairs into.
01:32:07
He kept it locked. But the electrician has to go in there because that's where the fuse box is.
01:32:11
Oh, God. The electrician comes back upstairs and is like, yeah so he's got like whips and chains and things to hang people from the ceiling real 50 shades of
01:32:20
gray it's not some fucking hot dude with like clean fucking equipment it's not a hot millionaire
01:32:25
it's bob bouchard in the in the basement with some fucking greasy ass shit shit under the hard
01:32:31
luck lounge oh mike boianis says to the electrician i don't want to hear about it he basically goes
01:32:37
like do not make me think about that i don't want to know oh my god yes so basically these people
01:32:42
the people that know the real Baba Shara start coming forward and going, you might want to check those.
01:32:47
Yeah. And you might want to check that. So that's how all this stuff starts coming out.
01:32:50
And of course the media is having an insane S and M field day. This is their dream come true.
01:32:56
Fucking story of the century. This is prom queen city. Okay. So then also prom queen city is the name of the episode,
01:33:04
right? Sure. Okay, great. So then they also start learning about this woman that is basically this kept
01:33:11
woman that Bob is it's like his secret girlfriend um Bob comes out and says no no we're only friends
01:33:18
um but then of course the pictures and the travel documents surface that prove that Bob took a trip
01:33:25
with this woman out of state to one of her relatives weddings see this is what happens
01:33:29
when you're not interdependent you can't track the fact that your fucking husband is going to
01:33:34
weddings of other people's cousins. And imagine, this isn't like a sexy, hot sex relationship where they're like, meet me in
01:33:43
the basement. I'm going to hang you up by your ankles. It's like, kick me in the dick until I cry.
01:33:47
It's, this is like, I'll go to your cousin's wedding in Albuquerque. No, like he's, he's in there.
01:33:54
That's S&M. Like, I'm going to cause you pain. Yeah. I'm going to make you go to my cousin's.
01:33:58
You're going to make small talk with my Aunt Marie while you eat canapes in the sun.
01:34:04
that's the real S and M right there. So, but basically all this proof is coming up where it's like,
01:34:10
no, no, no. Everybody knows that you were actually not only like she was his real
01:34:15
girlfriend. He was keeping her, um, in an apartment above the hard luck lounge. So her apartments up here,
01:34:22
then poor Mike's in the middle going, get out of here. What does she and Mike fall in love and run away together?
01:34:28
No, Mike talks about it very early on that his wife is in the mix. Okay, great. And he said,
01:34:33
um, he that nobody uh when bob came around he was a terrible tipper he never paid for the drinks that
01:34:41
he ordered none of the guys liked him because he was a dickhead and then all the women were super
01:34:46
skeeved out by him including his wife who said she the only time she ever shook bob bachdard's hand
01:34:52
the pair on the back of her neck stood up so um we gotta love mike who is the true narrator of this
01:34:59
show and he's just like so there's a point where the police are um surveilling babashara and like
01:35:06
watching his every move right because everybody kind of knows this guy is dirty and in the mix
01:35:11
and something has gone on and we have to get him for it and mike is watching it on the news and
01:35:17
goes he realizes as he's watching the news story and he goes oh this guy's gonna use the he's gonna
01:35:23
use the hard luck as an alibi he's like oh we're gonna get pulled into this like he's watching it
01:35:28
on the news going, this son of a bitch is going to make this his alibi. Because after a while, it gets so crazy of him being accused and saying, no, what are
01:35:37
you talking about? I would never go to that part of town and all. Okay. So. Okay.
01:35:40
So the woman who was the kept woman, she's basically, they're kind of tracking her life
01:35:48
as well. She was normally a model employee. I'm not giving her name or where she worked.
01:35:53
Why? You can look it up. No need to. I mean, yeah, whatever. This has nothing to do with her.
01:35:58
Yeah. She's more of a, she, innocent innocent in this yeah maybe oh but who also who cares yeah like i don't know uh she's
01:36:09
she's definitely we don't know how innocent and how involved and what demands she was making on him
01:36:15
but uh i don't know she wasn't demanding that he fucking kill his wife do we know that though we
01:36:22
don't so basically positive because you're being positive and i'm saying there was reports that
01:36:29
woman was considered a model employee at her work but then um slowly starts developing a bad
01:36:36
reputation for her apathetic and sometimes aggressive attitude at work and then in 2011
01:36:41
um she changed her emergency contact from a female friend to bob beschara so she's i mean that's kind
01:36:49
of like you're out and about with like that's my boyfriend this motherfucker says my my my marriage
01:36:54
is we don't sleep in the same room it's not this is she knows about you it's totally fine
01:36:58
yes i'm gonna leave her soon and we're gonna get married and then she's like well if all that's the
01:37:02
case then you're gonna be my emergency contact yeah that's the basics of like you're my person
01:37:09
yes it's actually you know a very sad thing when you go to fill out an emergency contact and you
01:37:14
have to figure out whose name to put on there that's a very that was a very dark post-divorce
01:37:19
time for me yeah it was like oh my emergency contact now i had a post friendship of that
01:37:24
where it was like, well, I clearly didn't trust the dudes I had been dating before that because
01:37:29
I always use her name. And then when we she and I had like a falling out and broke up, it was like,
01:37:34
I have to use my guy's name. Yeah, I guess I have to stay with him. What if something happened to you? And then they call someone that doesn't like you anymore.
01:37:40
Like, great, leave her alone. Leave her leave her where she lies. She said don't resuscitate her.
01:37:46
She told me just let her have that seizure out in public. She doesn't want stitches and don't resuscitate. Goodbye.
01:37:52
She doesn't like stitches. After receiving a poor performance review in 2009, she chalked her poor performance up to family issues, but then promised her performance would improve, but it only got worse.
01:38:03
And the day Jane's body was found, this woman left work without any notice and was later fired.
01:38:09
So there's a connection that that would indicate perhaps that she knew what was going on, perhaps.
01:38:17
But I don't know, man. I want to defend her. OK, you can. in my mind good night would you defend her if i told you that this woman is casey anthony
01:38:26
no shut out are you lying yes you fucking i believed you it all it's like every every terrible true crime story it's like a jam band of true crime assholes
01:38:41
okay okay no i i still believe in her okay so um it's basically revealed that bob and this
01:38:50
woman's relationship is based around their mutual love for S&M. Great. And the, um,
01:38:56
whose isn't, I just want to go ahead and say, at the end of the day, let's not set a shame
01:39:00
because it's hot. Kick me in the dick. I love it. Uh, lips and chains and chips and dips. Um,
01:39:09
so that's, that's a line from a, like a Bill Murray movie. Don't quote me on that one. That's
01:39:15
a Bill Murray for sure. So the woman lives upstairs, the hard lock bar is in the middle,
01:39:19
And then the sex dungeon they use together is downstairs. Horrifying. Upstairs, downstairs.
01:39:25
What a horrifying sandwich. Horrifying sandwich. They learned that the two were making plans to add a third woman into the relationship.
01:39:36
They also learned that Bob was planning to purchase a house for this woman. Karen, how come you can't be sex positive?
01:39:42
I'm trying my best. I'm just an old prune. Okay. So then Bob refuses to comment publicly on this affair, on the sexual behavior, on anything.
01:39:55
But he does say that he and his wife had an open marriage and that these behaviors had nothing to do with Jane's murder.
01:40:03
Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. On February 8th. 2012 still? 2012. Probably because of Joe's confession combined with this new scandalous information, police search the Beshara home again for evidence.
01:40:22
And they find in the garage hair samples and blood. And the area that Joe Gens noted in his confession, they basically just go to his confession and pull up a bunch of samples and send it all in to the lab for tests.
01:40:37
bob's defense attorney guy i talked about before then hires a retired fbi agent so that the defense
01:40:45
can conduct their own investigation we found that he's innocent completely and hates being kicked in
01:40:50
the balls yes exactly he's never these hair fibers prove that he doesn't like we believe you
01:40:56
um the defense team notes that the second search of the basara home could be tainted because so
01:41:03
many people had walked through in between the first and second search um around this same time
01:41:09
the police find and impound a cadillac from saint claire shores a shake saint claire shores parking
01:41:16
lot where joe gantz had been driving it and bob beschara was registered the registered owner so
01:41:22
link them together yeah now they're together and and basically it's like the guy that everyone's
01:41:30
trying to say is not that smart or crazy or whatever everything he was saying i'm sure they
01:41:34
made some dumb like they're shackled together in like the city confidential episode yeah oh yes
01:41:39
they're shackled together the the puns i'm sure were a flowing um so on march 1st the lab results
01:41:47
finally come back and the blood sample taken from the bachara's garage is jane bachara's blood
01:41:52
on the next day joe gens is arrested and charged with first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder And the conspiracy charge indicates someone else is involved but there no hard evidence linking Bob Beshara so he remains free
01:42:06
March 9th, authorities report that the clothing that Jane had been wearing the day of her murder was missing,
01:42:13
and it's believed that the clothing had been released to the funeral home that handled Jane's funeral.
01:42:18
The clothes may have been mistakenly thrown away. Wait, wait, wait. The clothing she was wearing when she was found?
01:42:24
yes when her body got sent to the funeral home yes everything's gone they throw those clothes
01:42:30
away don't don't do that no no never do that holy shit apparently that happened somehow
01:42:35
so all sides attorneys were mad about that missing evidence um but then they used it against each
01:42:43
other to try to invalidate each other's cases in april multiple sources report that bob beschara
01:42:48
is the focus of the case. He is still the prime suspect. But the police aren't saying anything
01:42:55
obviously to the press because it's the true field day for the press. A couple months later on June 24th
01:43:01
Babashara is arrested but not for the murder of his wife. They get him because he tries to hire a hit
01:43:09
man to kill Joe Gents before Joe Gents testified at his own murder trial. You stupid
01:43:15
fucking idiot. But the hit man he tries to hire is an undercover cop oh my god yes and that's another part in deadly rich um those 9-1-1 tapes are
01:43:29
hilarious the accents those like midwest michigan accents and they're like well yeah you know so
01:43:35
you gotta yeah i i just need this guy so much hate mail from um people from michigan right look
01:43:41
watch don't listen don't listen but this really happened it's on tape it's it's pretty crazy and
01:43:47
And just the idea, it's like, are you just going to kill the world? Yeah. What is your solution?
01:43:54
You're always going to get caught. It's because when people, you have to have some fucking humility and think you're kind of stupid.
01:44:00
And like have a little bit of low self-esteem and be like, I'm stupid and everyone thinks so.
01:44:04
Just like half a teaspoon. Half a teaspoon. It's healthy. It makes you not do shit.
01:44:08
It keeps you grounded. Right. It keeps you like low key. Like having to build up your self-esteem because you have low self-esteem makes you not a fucking asshole who thinks you can get away with anything.
01:44:17
That's right. And also what like the idea that suddenly there was someone there available.
01:44:25
Oh, get another person who's a fucking who's happy to be a hitman. Yeah. Like that doesn't make him suspicious.
01:44:31
Sir, think it through. OK, so, yeah, things seem like a little too fateful. It's because it's an undercover cop.
01:44:39
Right. People in general. Everyone's an undercover. Everyone is trailing you. Just assume that they're all undercover.
01:44:48
They put a GPS thing underneath your car. Right. Be aware. Be paranoid. Okay. So Bob pleads guilty, but he admits he did attempt to have Gantz killed, but he says it was not in an effort to keep Gantz quiet.
01:45:02
No, no, no, no, no. No. It was a revenge killing for the murder of his wife. You're so brave.
01:45:06
He was so livid. Either way, Bob is sentenced to six to 20 years in prison. Okay.
01:45:12
While in prison, Bob exhibits a series of strange and aggressive behaviors and routinely gets himself into trouble.
01:45:19
He tracks up violations for hiding or hoarding his medication. He also gets in trouble for lying, which apparently is a big deal in jail.
01:45:27
Really? I don't know. Liar, liar, pants on fire. He gets in trouble for talking when he's not supposed to and using profane language.
01:45:36
I'd be fucked, like, in prison. Dude. Also, what is this prison? It's like a kindergarten convent prison.
01:45:44
So December of that year, 2012, Joe Gantz pleads guilty to second degree murder for his part in Jane Bouchard's death.
01:45:50
And he's sentenced to a minimum of 17 years in prison. That's not long enough. It really isn't.
01:45:56
None of it is. It's all such a disgrace. Yeah. And his children have to live with this.
01:46:03
Yes. It's for more than 17 fucking years. That's right. So, but the good part is because of all the information that gets disclosed during Joe Gents' trial, Bob Beshara is once again implicated for the murder of his wife.
01:46:18
But this time they have much more like stronger evidence that actually sticks. So on May 1st, 2013, after more than a year after Jane's death, Bob is arraigned on first degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder, solicitation to commit murder, witness intimidation and obstruction of justice charges for his part in his wife's murder.
01:46:39
Yeah, dick. Yeah, dick. During Bob's trial for Jane's murder, it's revealed that he was experiencing marital and financial problems leading up to her death.
01:46:48
and um several of bob's mistresses testify several now you should see this guy he this
01:46:56
this guy looks like uh tony soprano's older cousin that let himself go oh my god it's not
01:47:03
it's again that thing where you're just like is it his confidence it is is it his
01:47:08
his idea that he thinks let me see him steven's got a photo oh yeah absolutely not no would not
01:47:15
Touch that dick. Or kick it. Hard. That's all he wants you to do. Okay, so his mistresses testify against him, including the one he was buying the house for,
01:47:28
saying that Jane had found out about the affairs weeks before the murder, and basically that they provide the motive.
01:47:36
Suddenly it's all very clear what he was doing and why. So on December 18, 2014, Bob Bashar is found guilty on all charges for murdering his wife,
01:47:45
And on January 15th, 2015, he's sentenced to life in prison. Now what odd is Joe Gantz in December of 2015 recants his statement that Bob was involved with his murder and claims that he was coerced by police to sign the affidavit stating Bob involvement
01:48:05
What? Yes, which is very odd because basically his initial testimony is what brought all the evidence that proved he was involved.
01:48:14
Yeah, you can't take that away once it's proven. No, it's very strange. Okay. So but then Bob files for retrial saying that that his legal team from 2014 was ill equipped and mishandled the case.
01:48:28
But it all gets denied and he remains in prison under a life sentence. And if you watch Deadly Rich, there's this really amazing part.
01:48:37
The woman who was the judge in his in that trial is has none of it and is super like they talk about she actually is there talking about how she could tell that Babashar did not like that a woman was there deciding his fate.
01:48:54
He was very angry and very combative and very weird with her. And she is the biggest badass.
01:49:01
You have to watch it because she's so cool. Oh, my God. But essentially, all his requests are denied and he remains in prison under a life sentence, basically, for having his wife killed.
01:49:14
And that is the very tragic murder of Jane Beshara. Holy shit. Nuts, right? And then what about Casey Anthony?
01:49:21
And she went ahead and now she's hosting her own Fox game show. Oh, my God. I have never heard of that.
01:49:30
What a dick. Yeah. Just so gross. Yeah. Just so gross. Yeah. And weird. And also, you know, you can you can be super into S&M and not kill anybody.
01:49:41
Just break up with each other. Yeah. Like, that makes me so sad to think of like being in a marriage and not knowing all these things about my life, essentially, that are happening.
01:49:52
You know, it's happening. Yeah. It's so unfair. Well, and also I think he, you know, because he had this financial problems is that kind of thing where it's like this was going to be a murder of convenience.
01:50:02
A solution to a problem that you made. Yeah. A solution to like nine problems that you made.
01:50:09
And it's also poor. It's like borderline Coen brothers, how badly he did it, how badly he planned it.
01:50:17
Because he was so cocky that he thought whatever dumbass fucking plan he made was going to work.
01:50:22
Well, and that he was pulling in people, not professionals, but like he basically was pulling like the cheapest person he could find.
01:50:29
It's just all dirty and awful. I hate him. Yes. The end. The end. Let's fucking hooray this shit.
01:50:38
Do it. Mine is hotel chicken strips, which is why I wanted you to go first so I could think of
01:50:45
something else. But I have to say, these travels we've been doing, being able to order off the kids menu
01:50:51
in a hotel and just get fucking chicken strips. Yes. Is really comforting to me.
01:50:57
Mine was going to be the Shangri-La Hotel in Toronto, which is the nicest hotel I've ever stayed at.
01:51:04
It had the best customer service in a way where it almost didn't make sense. They were anticipating what you needed and giving it to you.
01:51:11
You're like, leave me alone. I'm not stealing anything. Oh, my God. What are you accusing me of?
01:51:15
And it's like, no, we're just really good at being a hotel. I had chicken strips twice there.
01:51:20
Did you? Off the kids menu. Yes, I fucking did. uh no that was i i support that it's like a comforting thing like after a crazy show it's
01:51:30
bananas you come back to the hotel room you don't want to you don't want to like you want to order
01:51:33
food i go to the kids menu i order chicken strips it's a dream it's a dream it's a dream well the
01:51:40
reason i made you do chicken strips first is because i wanted to talk about and it's a thing
01:51:45
that we actually talked about at one of the live shows but it won't go up this this will be up
01:51:49
before that yeah um is the uh death of brody stevens who is a a really legendary stand-up
01:51:57
comic here in la um he's also been in a lot of movies and he has a very long resume you can look
01:52:04
him up on imdb he's been in everything um but he's he was also just one of those people like a lot of
01:52:09
uh i knew him pretty well um but a lot of people he was one of those comics that did three shows a
01:52:15
night every night so lots and lots of comics he was like a a part of everyone's life he was like
01:52:22
a standard he was just around yeah um but he really really suffered with his mental illness
01:52:29
and and he did the thing um there's actually a show that they made that was on hbo and comedy
01:52:36
central called enjoy it with brody stevens and it is a brilliantly made show zach alfanakis and
01:52:43
Mike Gibbons were the EPs. Joe Wagner and Tom Sharp were the writers. I did a little thing for it in episode 12.
01:52:52
But it was an amazing television show about a comic who has mental illness and deals with it and is trying to deal with it.
01:53:00
And it's such a tragedy. If you are dealing with your mental illness and you feel lost and you feel alone, please reach out.
01:53:11
and there are tons of um we will post um a great place to reach out to and put it out there but
01:53:19
hopefully one of the one of the things about this community that has grown up around this podcast
01:53:24
is the freedom people feel to talk about mental illness and mental health um and the importance of
01:53:31
it and it really is important and uh brody stevens the idea that he's not here anymore
01:53:37
is is just leaves a hollow feeling it's just it's the strangest worst feeling and the idea that he
01:53:44
felt alone and he felt that he was at the end of his rope that way is fucking awful and i just
01:53:51
would really urge you if you are even close to any of those feelings please please please reach out and get help and get real help and let people tell you how to manage your mental illness and your mental health because you can see it
01:54:07
from the inside. And it is a huge struggle. And these days, you know, because so many people don't
01:54:13
have benefits with their jobs, and there isn't the support that there should be. It's really hard,
01:54:19
but people want to help you. Yeah. So please remember that. And please, in the spirit of Brody Stevens,
01:54:25
who would constantly on stage, talk about positive push and, um, going for it. He just always seemed like he was actively working,
01:54:33
um, to be positive. I ironically, um, our joke of the show. Yeah. I mean, that really,
01:54:39
it's what, it's what he really was like. So, and, you know, watch all his comedy.
01:54:44
Cause he also was, uh, a, an incredibly individual voice. He really was doing his own comedy all the time.
01:54:54
And he was hilarious and he knew how funny he was. He also didn't understand how funny he was,
01:54:59
but his, his material and his act, it was the celebration of himself. It was incredible.
01:55:04
It was the best. And it's always a joy to see him on a lineup. You'd walk in and like,
01:55:08
this is going to fucking blow me away. Yeah. And he was so vulnerable too. Yes. And I mean,
01:55:14
it's, it's just, yeah, it's so sad. When he, when I worked on Late World with Zach, which was the second staff writing job I ever had,
01:55:22
and it was Zach, Zach Alfinakis had a talk show on VH1 before The Hangover fame came. And a lot
01:55:30
of the people I just named worked on that show. And Brody was the warm up guy. And we would make
01:55:36
sure that we got all our stuff done so that we could get over there for the beginning of the
01:55:41
taping, which you really don't do most of the time as writers. The warm up guys are very,
01:55:46
it's a very noble and lonely job that they have to warm that audience up by themselves and they do it.
01:55:52
Brody was the warm up guy for one of the worst audiences consistently, like people nodding out
01:55:59
on heroin. Because it was a paid audience. And paid audiences are the worst because they're only
01:56:05
there for the money. A lot of times they don't speak English. They're like, they're tourists that
01:56:09
have come in and then they're like, oh, do you want to go see a TV show? You could make 50 bucks
01:56:13
or get a free lunch. So it was Brody busting ass to make people laugh. There would be like five comedy nerds in the audience
01:56:22
and then 45 people who were like, I kind of don't want to be here or am not here.
01:56:29
And he, you know, I'm from Reseda. I have headshots. I mean, he just gave it to those people for two full hours
01:56:37
and we would just go watch him and cry laughing. what's so sad is that the when you have this mental illness and this issue you you know it's
01:56:45
the whole thing of like people call people saying incorrectly that suicide is selfish when it's not
01:56:52
you think you're doing everyone a favor yes and you're not because people are mourning you we want
01:56:57
you there think of it in a way that like get better so you can someday tell other people who
01:57:03
are in the position you're in right now that it does get better and there is help and like i think
01:57:08
you said before that anxiety is a liar. Yeah. Whatever your brain is telling you that you
01:57:13
should you don't deserve to be here, you should be gone. It's it's a lie. It's a fucking lie. And
01:57:20
you do and your depression and your anxiety and your mental illness makes you interesting and who
01:57:25
you are and a good person and meds aren't going to get rid of that, right? They're never going to
01:57:30
well and that is another thing that I said the first time I the night it happened. And I just
01:57:35
kind of said something weird because it was so shocking to me that I just wanted to say something.
01:57:40
But it really is true that this idea, we're not all trying to become perfect. No one should
01:57:47
want that at all. And comparing yourself to the way you think people live, that's also a lie.
01:57:54
What's most fascinating is being your true fucked up vulnerable self, which is why good comics are
01:58:00
good and bad comics are bad because good comics stand on stage and go, here's me and all my weird,
01:58:06
hairy, sweaty truth. And people go, Oh my God, I'm hairy and sweaty too. Thank God. And if you
01:58:12
go up there going, I'm, I'm perfect. Listen to my ideas. Everyone in the audience goes,
01:58:16
I feel terrible and I don't want to watch this. And that's Brody was the embodiment of that.
01:58:23
I'll tell you all the things that are going on with me and yell and positive push. And we're
01:58:27
going to like we're going to have the best time and it's like it's rare a lot of people don't get
01:58:33
that about comedy and that's that's why he's going to be so missed is that voice he he did more than
01:58:40
i think he even understood he did obviously yeah 100 i'm really sorry oh thank you i mean i'm sorry
01:58:47
too i'm i couldn't be more sorry it's a huge loss yeah well i'm glad i didn't go second with
01:58:52
fucking chicken i know that's what i was trying to give you the old eyes signal of like chicken
01:58:56
You go ahead with your dumb ass chicken. No, it's but but chicken strips. I feel like we I couldn't be more grateful actively about this life that this this conversation that we get to have has given us because truly it's my dream to eat chicken strips in a fancy hotel room.
01:59:16
It's my true dream. Yeah. And my dream is coming true. We really have a very lucky, happy, incredible, ridiculous life.
01:59:24
Yeah. I'm so grateful for and that I three years and can't wrap my head around. Yeah, it's a it's a lot.
01:59:30
It's real. There's a lot of whiplash because it's very different. It's very different than my life before.
01:59:36
It's like chicken strips in a hotel room was a distant fucking dream for me. Only two years ago.
01:59:42
Being able to talk and listening to you talk about mental health to people who need it and don't need it or have friends and don't, you know, I feel very lucky that we get to do that.
01:59:54
Yeah. Yeah. It's important. Yep. Thanks, you guys. We really appreciate you. We 100% do.
02:00:01
And we will post good outreach numbers right away. Yeah. Because we don't want to just say stuff like that.
02:00:08
We really want people to be able to reach out. Twitter, my fave murder, and Instagram, my favorite murder.
02:00:14
We'll post the numbers on there. Also, apparently, there's somebody on YouTube that's playing Red Dead Redemption 2 and using our logo.
02:00:21
And it's all in Spanish. All of it is probably my favorite thing that's ever happened.
02:00:26
That's our channel. Don't worry. It's our channel. We have hired a guy to play Red Dead Redemption 2.
02:00:30
24-7. With our logo. And we'd love for you to watch it. It's really good for you.
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Thanks, guys. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Elvis, you want a cookie?
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