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Stay standing, please. No. That's my new joke. That's a good one. You can work it out in every town.
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You can do it different. Did you sit down? I can't tell. There's no seats there.
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SRO, right in front? Yeah. Happy St. Patrick's Day, everybody. St. Patrick's Day.
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Are you good and fucked up tonight? Good. What is it? Punch me, I'm Irish? Punch me, I'm Irish?
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Is that right? Yeah, I mean, that's what it ends up as, yeah. Doesn't really matter what the shirt says,
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because punch me, I'm Irish. punch it's more like punch you i'm irish do not steal that i'm making the fucking shirt don't
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steal it tm tm steven steven copyright it immediately he's he's under your cloak there he is you little rascal
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no he's banned from the city oh what steven did super bowl that year holy shit super bowl that's right right
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remember we know about super bowls he loves first of all he loves football i had to remember what definitely football how are we not talking about your
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fucking cake. How could we... Guys, listen. We went to an amazing thrift store right outside of
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Cincinnati this morning. Casa Blanca Vintage. We were like, let's go get something green
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to wear on stage tonight, obviously. That didn't work for me very well. But the shit we were holding up for each other,
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what about this? It was the most hilarious just an array of jumpers and onesies from the 50s and someone cried in like terrycloth robes
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I was like I'd wear it as a dress who gives a shit and then you pick this up well I saw this
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because I knew going into that thrift store as a as a person of size who also loves thrift stores
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I know there are certain there's certain areas that you go to you're like I'm all the way down
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at the end of the rack. And there's going to be like seven Italian widow dresses down there.
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And we'll see what we get. And we'll try to have fun with it. You know what I mean?
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They didn't make tits and asses like this in 1952. I hear it. It's something about manufacturing.
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It's the processing of food these days. Anyway. So it's kind of like wanted to have the fun,
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but knew the fun wouldn't be there for me if I really tried. And then I fucking blazed by this thing, and I was just like,
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capes fit everybody. But then also, I'm sorry, what are the fucking odds of a bright green cape?
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Like, what are the odds? No, there's none. There are no odds. They don't exist. It's like a green flag.
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Finally a green flag. Yeah, it's lovely. It's yours. It's everything. Thanks. Plus pockets Pockets What if the cape had pockets on the inside We should have sewn some in for you I don have any green on
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Sorry, I'm Jewish. It's okay. You can pinch me. What the fuck kind of holiday? I really did it.
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Like, what Irish people? What if at Hanukkah, if you didn't spin the dreidel right, they just smacked you in the face?
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That doesn't... We do that. on Hanukkah. We don't know it's Hanukkah. Look, I think pinching is definitely
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a thing that drunk people do. I just think everything, if you trace anything of the holiday,
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corned beef, okay, that's someone that was trying to cure some beef and they fucked it up.
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Or pork or whatever the fuck, that shit is, it's like a salt lick that you have to chew.
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They forgot they were boiling cabbage on the stove. They're like so drunk, they're like, this cabbage is going to be amazing.
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Impossible. There's no way to make it good. Nice try, Grandma Anne. Irish soda bread?
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Disgusting. They take what they want to be a dessert bread, and they're like, but what if we make it 17 times more dense than normal bread?
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and then put caraway seeds in it like a bunch of dicks. Oh, and then a sprinkling of golden raisins to round out the torture.
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No. We're not a culinary people. That's why we drink. But y'all are fun to hang out with.
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Right? Yeah. You don't need enough, but I can be shh. Let me tell you something.
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Uh-oh. Do you have any money? That's what it was like. Do you have any money? Do you have any money?
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Do you have any money? Can I have it? To make up for, though, I had an Irish coffee for breakfast.
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Yes. So I feel like... Someone's got to represent on this day. No one cheered the alcoholic on stage.
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Thank you. No, everything's fine. Oh, speaking of, I feel like both times we've come to Indianapolis,
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we've kind of set them up for failure, because the first time, there was a signature cocktail in the lobby
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that was essentially a fucking Long Island iced tea with grenadine in it. Yes. But they called it the Murderino or something,
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so everyone's like, well, I should get it, I'm here. And then so everyone was just drunk.
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Fucking hammered. Hammered. It was really fun. It was the best. That was really good.
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Was that a puke in the aisle night? I think there was a puke. The original puke in the aisle was Portland,
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but I think there was a puking situation that wasn't as funny to me as a person crawling up the aisle.
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I love a good crawl. Just get all the way down on the ground. But there was, at the last show,
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so there was a guy that was really big. He looked like a football player, and he was in the front row,
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And I noticed him at first and he had his arms crossed and I was just like, oh, what's this going to be?
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Like, that's not that common for our show. And then during while we were talking and while we read our stories, I kept seeing this gesture.
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Oh, oh, I didn't see. And then I was like, what's fucking happening? I don't know.
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And then finally we get up to do the hometown because I don't wear my glasses on stage.
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You're all just, it looks like all the extras in the Doors movie right now to me.
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You could be cardboard cutouts. I would not know. I can see the shade of the white of your teeth right now.
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So the back row, it's very disturbing. I wish I could put your glasses on so I couldn't see everything.
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George is like an owl up here. So anyway, it turns out this guy's wearing a boa.
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And what he's actually doing is clapping and going, yes, yes. and I know this because then we met him in the meet and greet and as he walked up I was like
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I thought you were so mad at us he was like girl no no girl he was no praise be oh my god so I will
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always love this city for that citizen alone but then we also so we had the signature cocktail
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this is the signature head move this is the signature yeah and then we did it that this
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next show on St. Patrick's Day. So we're like, try not to scream at us, motherfuckers.
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Everybody parties differently. Oh, can I tell the story I forgot to tell last night and I'm
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so mad about the airport? What's that? About the airport? About how you left your phone
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at the airport? No, no. I have a new phone. That's more of a brag than a story. It's a
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Ten. I had a six. I went up four. Anyway. Thank you. No, I was mad because last, yeah, Carol just painted these nails as we walked out the door.
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Yes. Just a little. Last night we were in Cincinnati, Ohio, and at one point, thank you, at one point, I made
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a reference to the television show WKRP in Cincinnati, because it's like mine and my sister's
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favorite, favorite, favorite show growing up. We were obsessed with it to the point where,
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and I remembered this this morning at breakfast, and I was so angry because one of my favorite
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childhood memories was this time I got the flu. And that night my fever broke. Like I was,
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I was hallucinating. So I woke up in the middle of the night and I had, as we have talked about
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But at length I had a clock radio that had red digital numbers on it And so as I woke up there was a strange red light in my room and the entire cast of WKRP was standing around my bed silently staring at me very lovingly and smiling And I was like
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Les, can you get me a glass of water? I was asking them out loud, Jennifer, please. I'm so thirsty.
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Mr. Carlson, can you give me a glass of water? And they didn't respond. They were just like,
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Oh, that's a ghost story more than anything. You're all living, though. That's a story to get your flu shot, everyone.
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Yes, please. Support it. And if you leave here tonight with anything, you gotta fucking...
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Let it be that. Let it be that. That's a story you don't care about from a city you don't live in.
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You're welcome, everybody. Speaking of, this is my favorite murder of the podcast.
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Oh, yeah, the podcast. This is Karen Kilgara. This is Georgia Hartstart. We're proud, proud to be here with you today.
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We are. On Karen's official Irish day. No fucking way, no fucking way. No fucking way.
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No fucking way. I was going to say, you can always tell it's going to be a fun crowd.
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And I'm not fucking trying to make you guys like me. When you walk out and they're cheering, and then you grab the mic to say something,
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and they're like, fuck you, and cheer louder. Yes, yes. It's like, okay. That's right.
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It's like, no, no, no, we're not done yet. Yeah, yeah. It's on. No. Give us a chance.
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It's not your turn. Give us, let us express ourselves, please. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
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No, you get to. We'll do it. Please do. It's all about you. Wait. You do have green on.
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You do have green on. That's not green. Oh, my tattoo? I'm trying to, I'm trying to get you a pass.
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Oh, thank you. I have a tattoo. It's got green in it. Oh, thank you. You know what you need is just a little shamrock tattoo on your ankle.
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Great. My mom would love that. There's nothing I love more than when you're fucking like in line at the bank.
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And there's some dude in front of you that's just your most average bro. But he's just got like a tattoo of like the Notre Dame fighting Irishman.
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But it's like there. On his beefy calf. there where you're like okay so we know you were drunk but what else like yeah just a just a little
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regret tattoo of like me and my friends well your friends aren't here anymore 42 year old
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it's just you with a fucking tattoo and shorts on apparently yeah exactly and that's not a judgment
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because i have a tattoo of a salmon on my back for that very reason but i was smart enough to
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But it's somewhere where you can't see it at the bank. That's the key. Unless you're wearing those low-rise shorts you love.
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Sometimes at the bank I like to wear my cutout blouses. That's right. Summertime.
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For some summertime. Should we really carefully sit down? Yes. Okay. So Vince warned us multiple times backstage to be careful when we sit down.
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I don't know. Oh, cool. I didn't know what level of careful, like, is it going to explode?
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Is it going to fall over? Is it going to pinch me? It's going to explode. Yeah, this could be bad.
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Here we go. Should we take turns and I'll help you? The cape, the cape, the cape.
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Okay, I'm on, I'm on. Okay. You got it. Holy shit. All right. Oh, it's going to be a party tonight.
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Is that going to get annoying? That looks really annoying. This is what I just imagined was someone running by with a fan,
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and then I get caught in it and choked to death. Just a split second. Why is someone running with a fan on the stage?
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Vince, why did you let the man run with the fan across the stage? I thought we had a meeting about this.
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The good thing, we're going to forgive these chairs because there's a fucking Great Dane wandering around backstage.
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Oh, hell yeah. Named Cooper. Cooper. Vince, when he got here, he's like, could you guys get Cooper to come back here?
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And we're like, who's Cooper? He's like, you need to meet him. He's the head of the company.
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He runs the theater. We're like, what the fuck? I don't want to meet anyone. Okay.
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And then I hear Vince go, come on, Cooper. And I was like, it's a dog. And Cooper runs in and he's just.
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I was trying to put on makeup really fast. I was just like, get ready for Cooper.
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Oh, hi. Oh, hi. Hi, Cooper. Hi, Cooper. Good boy. You're a good boy. You is a good boy.
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Very tall. Yeah. Can you tell them about this podcast? Oh, shit. It's a really fun podcast.
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It's so perfect. Okay, go. Hi, everybody. This is a true crime comedy podcast. that. Right. Oh, you listen. A lot of, a lot of, sometimes people who come to these shows
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like to bring people who don't listen to the podcast to the show. So the first time they
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experience this true crime comedy podcast is here with us live. And so I like to speak directly to
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those people at the tops of shows sometimes because, you know, there have been times where
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They've been pastors. They've been rabbis. And they're probably already a little annoyed with us because their friend who brought them won't fucking stop saying,
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you should listen. I think you'd like it. You should listen. Like, shut up. I don't.
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And they don get why anything we talking about is relevant or interesting But what I want to address is the fact that sometimes people get offended by the combination of true crime and comedy
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They think that's wrong. They think it's bad. They think they're the only one to fucking put it together,
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that comedy and true crime might not be a great combination. But we just want to explain to those people that
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we understand that true crime, it's basically a genre of media and stories about the very worst
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thing that could happen to somebody, the very worst thing. So that combined with comedy seems
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disrespectful or offensive. But actually the comedy runs parallel because we are people who
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very much enjoy reading about and talking about true crime, but we also have comedic personalities
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and always have. It's the way we release pressure. It's how we process horrible things in this world.
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It's what you and a lot of people do to get by. And so if you, not the clapping part. So if you
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find this concept is offensive or just the fact that two women are talking for an hour is
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offensive. There's a lot of things people get upset about. We cordially and respectfully invite
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you right now to get the fuck out. Or if you're just really jealous of Karen's amazing cape.
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Or if you're jealous. You're jealous of my cape and I'm sorry, get out. God, I want to hear the back story of that cape so badly.
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Oh, my God. Well, I'll tell you. I just had a vision. Okay. Great. The St. Patrick's Day Parade princess wore this cape in 1974.
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Her mom made it last minute. Aw. They were both drunk. And then there was Highland dancing after.
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Oh. Wow. Yeah. I bet you're right. irish psychic all right why is it always chaos when we link up because nobody plans anything bro
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00:22:38
And it's a rough one, but so many people wrote, have written to us about it. And in fact, we did,
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it was on a mini-sode in 2017 that someone wrote in. So I thought it's something that like not
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everyone knows about and I hadn't really known much about it either. So let's fucking learn about
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the Richmond Hill explosion. Controversial. I know. Noises, noises, noises of all kinds.
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Okay. So on the night of November 10th, 2012, an explosion rocks the Richmond Hill
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suburban residential neighborhood in Indianapolis, Indiana. More than 200 people are evacuated.
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About 100 first responders and investigators are at the scene. 86 homes are damaged or destroyed.
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86? Fuck. Dozens are demolished. And the worst part, two innocent people died in a house next
00:23:35
door to the explosion. The event turns into the most complicated homicide case ever in the state
00:23:42
of Indiana. Fucking bananas. Alright, let's start with the shitty people. Um, Monsorete Shirley is born into a poor family in Puerto Rico. She spends her childhood
00:23:55
watching wealthy Americans vacation in her hometown, and she wants to be like that.
00:24:00
and sets her sights on working in medicine. In 1990, she is accepted to a nursing school in Michigan.
00:24:07
So at 25, she meets a manufacturing technician named John Shirley, and they start dating.
00:24:13
He supports her through nursing school. They get married. They get a nice house, a little house in Indianapolis,
00:24:18
where he is a pharmaceutical company rep at Eli Lilly. Wonderful pills, everybody.
00:24:26
Hooray for pharmaceuticals. Really? I don't know who fucking started it, but whoever wrote, whoever made the meme,
00:24:36
if you can't make your own serotonin, store-bought is fine. I'm going to get it tattooed on my meaty calf.
00:24:48
Yeah. Do it. Medicated and motivated. That's my favorite one. Yes. There's just so many positives to being medicated.
00:24:56
Okay. So eventually she becomes a registered nurse at the ICU at the community hospital on the south side of town, and she gives birth to their daughter, Brooke.
00:25:08
In 2003, she's like bugging him to move into a nicer neighborhood, and they move into Richmond Hill, but John's, of course, worried about the cost.
00:25:17
But he lets her build her fucking dream home, which is not how you budget money.
00:25:22
He got that Eli Lilly money, though, girl. Rolling around that roller bag. Uh-huh.
00:25:32
Of course, she goes way over budget, and their mortgage is much higher, so they scrape by, they fight all the time.
00:25:38
He eventually gives her an ultimatum, him or the house. She chooses the house. Oh, Jesus.
00:25:45
It must be a nice house. Wow. They filed for bankruptcy and divorce. She did. one does.
00:25:55
They kind of go hand in hand. So she keeps the house, takes over the mortgage, and keeps custody of their 11-year-old daughter.
00:26:04
But then in November 2011, four months after her divorce, Monserite's friend take her out clubbing at a place called Crazy Town.
00:26:13
Is it the best? After party? No. I bet it's not. I thought Crazy Town, in every other city, Crazy Town is the best place to go.
00:26:22
You have to be so fucking drunk to walk into Crazy Town. You have to be like black out so you don't smell it.
00:26:30
That's like the name of a boys band, isn't it? Crazy Town? Is it Crazy Town? Isn't it?
00:26:38
I don't care. Don't care. Yeah. Not in the least. I heard hometown. No, it's O-Town.
00:26:46
Okay. I missed all of that time. Okay. she goes to crazy town looking for fun. I do that all the time.
00:26:57
Um, and she attracts the eye of a dude across the room. His name is Mark Leonard. Boo. And he
00:27:05
makes it no secret. He's got a wad of cash on him, which is really germaphobe. I'm a germaphobe
00:27:11
and that's just disgusting. Well, that's, that's first of all, now I'm doing the other one.
00:27:16
If the hand is lower, that's fine. If it's up, it's great. Don't judge wads of cash.
00:27:24
Yeah. Put that wad of cash in savings. And the interest will compound. Get a 401k.
00:27:34
Exactly. Don't take your money to crazy town. That's what Georgia always tells me.
00:27:39
And then that move of like, oh, I got your drink. Great. Hand them a credit card.
00:27:42
Don't get your wad of cash. Ugh. red green flag. It's a green flag for me. Oh, it is a green flag.
00:27:50
I love money. And he has a Hummer parked outside, so she's like, swooned. Wait a second, it's all canceled.
00:27:58
Canceled, canceled. But it was 2012. Remember when everyone was like, no, no, that was earlier.
00:28:04
Okay. It's always gross. The funniest thing in the world was when people, of course, in Los Angeles
00:28:10
probably had them first. people driving around in Hummers in Los Angeles is one of the funniest things
00:28:16
because you can't get anywhere there's a thousand cars and then here comes this fucking military grade vehicle
00:28:22
coming down Sunset Boulevard we're just like, fuck you and your tiny dick yeah sorry
00:28:30
sorry that's sexist that's sexist actually that's sexism and you guys applauded it
00:28:37
and we're going to cancel you on social media We're closing this club down. Okay.
00:28:45
What were we talking about? Up and it's down. Oh, what's happening? All right. They hit it off.
00:28:50
They're fucking assholes. They go home together. Okay. In a Hummer. In a Hummer.
00:28:54
Okay. Together. Great. With a wad of cash, sitting shotgun. With the seatbelt on.
00:28:59
Yes. One night turns into three. We've all had those dates. Yes. They're amazing.
00:29:07
24-hour dates. Fuck. You know what? I officially apologized to the Hummer guy. I was wrong.
00:29:16
Yeah. I didn't have one of those on mine and Vince's first date because I didn't want to seem like a slut,
00:29:21
but really, I really just wanted to sleep with him. Why didn't I just do it? I like the idea that you don't want to seem like a slut
00:29:31
to the guy you want to fuck. What a fucked up culture we would have to be in. Meow, meow, meow.
00:29:38
And knowing Vince now, he would've been like, great, let's fuck. He doesn't care.
00:29:45
Alright. Now you know. Now I know. Slut it up. Yes. You don't, here's the thing.
00:29:51
You don't have to buy the book, the rules. You don have to like neg people or try to trick them No slut shaming Literally at around I would say 115 at a bar pick the one you want and make eye contact and go I will fuck you
00:30:10
Bring your own condoms. You don't need to think, do you have a condom? Bring your fucking condom.
00:30:14
Let's get it done, pal. Stuff like that. They love it. They love it. That's been our advice corner to you.
00:30:23
From what I can remember from the 90s, they love it. All right. They go home. One day turns into three.
00:30:33
Things happen. Like, for example. For example. Like, you're just going to give us a couple examples.
00:30:40
I'll tell you what. Mark moves in with her a few weeks later. Okay. With her and her 11-year-old daughter.
00:30:47
Green flag Red, red, red Don't let strange men move into your house with your daughter
00:30:54
Mark Leonard Let's hear about this idiot He's born in Indianapolis in 1969 He eventually
00:31:00
I put that word in Works as an exotic dancer Not right away, not in 1969 Not a baby stripper
00:31:08
Mark Leonard is born in 1969 And he becomes a stripper It's like way later Probably mid-80s
00:31:17
early 90s? You gotta hope. I would hope. He makes lots of cash and retires in his 40s and becomes a
00:31:25
roofer and a mechanic and a general contractor and a general dick. Can I just say, I wonder if
00:31:32
that's what he stripped as. Wouldn't that be funny if he was like, I'm the mechanic or whatever,
00:31:37
and then it's like, whoa. Or like if you're a male stripper, you have to become the thing you
00:31:43
strip as. So it's like, I was a stripper, but now I actually am a fireman and or a cop.
00:31:49
And how about retiring? You got to think that life as a male exotic dancer is hard. If you
00:31:55
retire to become a day laborer, to have a really fucking hands-on crazy job. Look, we all suffer by the beauty standards that this culture puts on us. Women more,
00:32:08
but still everybody does. We've seen magic, Mike. We know. We know what those poor, poor strippers went through.
00:32:16
By the way, if you get a chance to go to Las Vegas and go to the Magic Mike Strip Show,
00:32:20
I am not kidding. It is worth every dollar you will spend. You won't believe your eyes.
00:32:27
And I'm not saying that. It's not a Chippendale situation. I'm not just being like, ugh, bachelorette part.
00:32:33
It's not that. It's high art. It's ballet. It's gorgeous. Beautiful. An accomplishment.
00:32:39
Thank you, Channing Tatum. We don't say it enough. Thank you, Chanty. A lot of this.
00:32:46
Me and my boa in the front row. Okay. So he makes a comfortable salary, but he likes to gamble, as we all do.
00:32:57
Buffalo. He becomes a regular at the surrounding casinos. He likes to be called a big spender, it says.
00:33:04
All right. That means you're not. It's like making up your nickname. It's not your nickname.
00:33:09
You're not a big spender. Who would you do? I like asked because I wanted to call you that.
00:33:14
Hey, call me a big spender. Excuse me, waiter. Can we have more breadsticks? And call me a big spender.
00:33:22
I'm a big spender. Can we get some more breadsticks, please? Or free breadsticks, please?
00:33:27
I'm the big spender. But he becomes a regular at casinos. He buys nice cars and motorcycles
00:33:34
and burns through thousands and thousands of dollars quickly. and then he meets Montserrat and she falls hard for him and as you knew that
00:33:45
he lives big and lives like the rich tourist from her childhood so there's like something in her
00:33:52
that's like oh this is what success is. It's what she always wanted. It's like her it was her long-term
00:33:57
goal. Right yeah and so he grows close with her daughter and they become a family and so every but
00:34:04
then everything changes around 11 p.m. on November 10, 2012, when a massive explosion
00:34:09
destroys over 100 homes in Richmond Hill. Some think it's the end of the fucking world,
00:34:14
ash is coming down like snow, and more than 500 calls to 911 are made within minutes.
00:34:19
And so I was looking through our hometowns that got sent into our email, and Danielle M. wrote,
00:34:25
at 1110, she was in the area, at 1110, the loudest sound I have ever heard hit me. It penetrated my
00:34:30
eardrums, rattled my brain, and pulled the air from my lungs while simultaneously lifting me off
00:34:36
the couch. What the fuck? The front door that was deadbolted busted off its hinges and almost every
00:34:42
window shattered throughout my house. And she's just in the neighborhood. My first thought was
00:34:47
that someone put a pipe bomb on our front porch and I thought, who the fuck did we piss off to
00:34:51
the point that they wanted to blow us the fuck up? Danielle, get off that couch. Stop pissing people
00:34:58
So houses collapse, residents run in to pull out their neighbors. It's like everyone's trying to help each other.
00:35:08
Firefighters bite the flames throughout the night and risk their lives to evacuate people from their homes.
00:35:13
In the end, there are two fatalities, the next-door neighbors to the house that exploded,
00:35:18
John Dionne Longworth and his wife, Jennifer. Dionne worked with electronics, and Jennifer was a teacher.
00:35:23
they were in their 30s and they were just thinking about starting a family at the time.
00:35:28
I know, it's fucking heartbreaking. 12 other residents are injured but survive. And 10 feet south of the explosion had collapsed on itself.
00:35:38
So I just have a couple pictures. I'm not going to get fucking graphic or anything.
00:35:42
But so these are the two houses, one of them that blew up. And then that's... Oh my fucking God.
00:35:48
I know. It's fucking insane. And so one of one house in my neighborhood when I grew up blew up and I was like four years old and I could still take you to the fucking house that it happened and I remember exactly what happened Yeah And it just imagine and it was just one house Like this just seems like it would be stuck with you forever
00:36:06
It's insane. But also, you know, and you see like, because a similar thing happened in Millbrae, California,
00:36:13
which is where a lot of my cousins live and it's in South Bay and San Francisco.
00:36:18
and it was a gas line basically blew up and a block of gas line exploded. That happened recently in Boston, too, I think.
00:36:27
Yeah, it did. But those houses are decimated. There's just nothing. It's insane.
00:36:34
Fuck. So within hours of the explosion, fire investigator Mario Garza and police detective Jeff Wagner,
00:36:41
they find themselves assigned to one of the largest, most chaotic incidents in the history of Indianapolis.
00:36:48
They analyze the blast pattern the next day and find the house at the epicenter of the explosion
00:36:54
belonged to Montserrat. And right next to the Longworth's house, neighbors inform police that the couple had left the day before
00:37:03
on a weekend getaway. Investigators initially suspect a possible plane crash because the Greenwood Municipal Airport is located nearby.
00:37:11
But there aren't any plain parts in the wreckage. And there are also theories about it being a meth lab,
00:37:17
but that's quickly ruled out. So experts soon find out that natural gas is the cause
00:37:22
because of the way some of the houses are completely leveled, which I guess only natural gas can do.
00:37:27
When Montserrat Shirley and Mark Leonard are notified of the incidents, they say, yeah, we were gambling at a casino out of town.
00:37:33
We left my daughter with her friends for the weekend. and the gas company officials try to determine if it was caused by a leak of the city pikes,
00:37:42
but they're not finding anything wrong. But then they find something that leads them to believe foul play,
00:37:47
a piece of safety equipment. And can you fucking believe how good these people are that they were able to find in that?
00:37:55
A piece of safety equipment that keeps gas from leaking into the house was removed from Montserrat Shirley's home.
00:38:01
How did they fucking... It's amazing. Yeah, they know because they know. Yeah, and replaced with a straight piece of pipe
00:38:06
and the gas lined at the fireplace is also missing a regulator. Isn't that insane?
00:38:11
They combed it. The dude, the fire investigator, had everyone comb in the most insane way
00:38:18
and sift through debris just to make sure it wasn't there for days, and they never found it.
00:38:22
The tampered gas valve caused the house to fill up with deadly gas almost eight times the pressure it normally would.
00:38:29
But in order to have an explosion, there has to be an ignition source. So they find an origin in the kitchen.
00:38:34
with a twisted metal canister in the microwave, which acted as a possible detonator.
00:38:40
And so the arsonist could set the time on the microwave and have it all at one spark.
00:38:45
Okay. That's all it took. Can I sidebar this? Yeah. Always. My sister and I had a party in high school.
00:38:55
Great. We need a minute. Great. My parents, when I was in high school, all of a sudden my parents just went on a cruise like every month.
00:39:03
I don't know what the fuck was going on. They were going up, yeah. They were doubling down on their love.
00:39:08
I don't know. They just really needed to be together and way the fuck far away from us all the time.
00:39:14
So they were on a cruise, and we were home by ourselves. So we had a party, and we went to a smaller high school in our town.
00:39:23
But, of course, our old next-door neighbor, Andy Withington, who was Mr. Party Pants, and went to Petaluma High,
00:39:28
um he my sister invited him and then he invited 45 other people so it turned into our house turned
00:39:37
into like it like an 80s movie high school party where things were going fucking nuts
00:39:43
and at one point um and we had just moved into this house too my parents had it built oh
00:39:52
it was like to their specifications that my dad and my uncle mike and my uncle john
00:39:57
built this fucking house. It was kind of a big deal. And it was just like, there were just people,
00:40:02
there were strange teens everywhere. Nightmare. Yeah. Strange teens. Yeah. Strange teens, the
00:40:08
worst. And at first we're all just trying to be like, huh, Coors Light, it's cool. This is great.
00:40:12
And then I see some kid I've never seen before pick up a can of beer, put it in the microwave
00:40:18
and hit five minutes and walk away. And I walk up to the microwave. I, I hit stop. I look at
00:40:26
Steve Moritz, this guy in my class, and I go, get them out of here now. And then Steve Moritz starts yelling
00:40:32
at all these people like, you guys gotta go. And meanwhile, my sister was upstairs
00:40:36
calling 911. She called the fucking Petaluma cops on our party. Did they come? Oh yeah.
00:40:44
And then all the people we didn't know left, and then there was like 25 of us, and we're like,
00:40:48
now we can really fucking get drunk. Just leave the microwave alone. Especially back then. That's insane.
00:40:54
Yes, it was just like some asshole drunk kid who was just like, yeah, fuck you guys in five minutes.
00:41:01
So anyway, thanks for letting me share. My heart. That's so scary. Okay, blah, blah, blah.
00:41:10
And then, so detectives question the homeowners again. And Montserrat says that when they left the casino, they hadn't, for the casino, they hadn't noticed anything ordinary.
00:41:20
We swear, out of the ordinary. In the microwave. Yeah. They deny any involvement, and they look at the casino surveillance,
00:41:30
and it does show them there, but it shows them being really squirrely, and they gamble for five minutes and then just sit there fucking methanous,
00:41:38
staring around, like, waiting for a call. Time to pass? Yeah. Okay. And they also realize when they come through the scene again,
00:41:46
there's no furniture, sign of furniture, electronics, or family photos. In the house.
00:41:52
In the house. Everything had been fucking cleared out and there no valuables at the time of the explosion And a forensic analysis of Montserrat finances showed that she had increased the insurance coverage on items inside her home that year before the explosion and raised the value of the property up to
00:42:11
Nothing in my house is worth $300,000. We're going to put that on our list of suspicious things.
00:42:18
Yes, we are. Including the fact that she claimed to own rare pieces like art, like Picasso.
00:42:25
Sure, but didn't have the receipts for them. No, as you do. You know what it is is because I bought the Picasso
00:42:32
Then I went to CVS. I got those two seats all mixed up. I Just threw them away Receipt in the bag and I said yeah, yeah in the bag with the Picasso or
00:42:46
Do you want me to email it to you? You know what? Just throw it in there with the insanely valuable painting that no one can touch actually in great
00:42:55
And then they're like, it's normal we dropped our daughter off there. It's also totally normal that that weekend we were boarding the cat at the groomers.
00:43:08
They even cleared out their fucking cat. But they had no sympathy or care for their neighbors.
00:43:15
Human beings, yeah. Look, I love cats. I fucking get it. There's a couple people in the audience that are like,
00:43:21
what's the problem with getting the cat out of there? I'm not saying leave the cat, obviously.
00:43:28
Well, you can't say leave the cat. I'm saying don't blow up the fucking... Because if you said leave the cat, I'd never listen to the podcast again.
00:43:34
And I start sweating and crying. Okay, so... Okay, so a friend of Mark then comes forward to police,
00:43:44
and he's like, yo, dude, a week ago, Mark told him that his house blew up and he was going to collect insurance on it and buy a new Ferrari.
00:43:55
And so his friend was like, that's weird. I'm going to go tell someone. Great. Good call.
00:44:00
Good call. Good call. And I'm sorry. Just in so many. I mean, we've taught. I think we've probably told close to 400 of these stories now.
00:44:09
And I would say 395. The people tell on themselves. I don't I don't want to educate criminals or make them better.
00:44:19
It seems like you can't really. But how about just shut up for two weeks? Could you?
00:44:27
It's like there's some connection between fucking idiots who will do shit like assholes who will do shit like that
00:44:32
and people who can't keep their fucking mouths shut. And people who would pre-brag about blowing their own house up.
00:44:38
And then think that all their friends would be like, great, and not be concerned about it.
00:44:42
Yeah, and not be like, excuse me, what did you say? I'm not okay with that. It's a stripper that turns the music down?
00:44:48
Sorry, what did you just say? Or it's their fucking dealer at the casino and he's like,
00:44:54
why are you telling me this? Good luck, players. What did you just say? Okay. Okay, and on the Friday before the explosion,
00:45:06
Mark Leonard, and this is what our friend Danielle M. called him, and his big bug-eyed brother Bob.
00:45:16
Danielle. Danielle went for it. Went for it. So Mark Leonard's big bug-eyed brother Bob,
00:45:24
spoke with a neighbor who was a citizen's energy employee. I don't know what he's saying.
00:45:29
Now I'm just picturing Marty Feldman's eyes. You know, Igor from Young Frankenstein?
00:45:36
I think that's close. Do you want to see them? They get arrested. The eyes? There we go.
00:45:45
She wasn't... Look at her crying. Look at her fucking highlights. Look at them. You're right, I should get highlights.
00:46:02
I hear what you're saying. I hear the message. They're like, okay. I mean, those guys just look like, you know, it's like, oh, some people got a bad idea,
00:46:11
and then they just didn't stop having that bad idea. This guy looks like he's from a fucking Bond movie.
00:46:16
That's like, that's some Blofeld shit happening over there. I'm scared to be near his picture.
00:46:22
That guy, when his brother was like, hey, I have a nefarious thing to do, he was like, great, I'm in.
00:46:27
He didn't care. He throws down his hot dog and turns off the TV immediately. I don't know why.
00:46:35
Is that last? Hold on. Last. Okay. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Okay. All right. So Citizen Energy employee Bob asked about the difference between propane and natural gas.
00:46:50
and what would happen if a house filled up with natural gas? And on the day of the explosion, another neighbor sees a white van
00:46:58
pulling the driveway of Montserrat's house around 2 or 3 and just takes all their photos and financial documents out of the house
00:47:06
and loads them into the van. Because, God forbid, their fucking photos would explode.
00:47:10
I hate them. Okay, so. Meanwhile, that's the other thing people don't seem to think about,
00:47:16
is that you have neighbors, and they're bored. and nosy. Oh, yeah. Anytime I hear one thing,
00:47:24
I have this weird little window in my front where I have to stand on my toes to look out of it.
00:47:29
So if you were outside doing something, you looked over and it'd just be like this.
00:47:33
Me and my crazy eyes staring at you as you did some weird thing. Unfortunately, my next-door neighbor listens to the podcast,
00:47:40
so I can't say anything about what her family does. She's really lovely. Her kids are really fucking loud, though.
00:47:47
Yeah. Yeah. consider this a warning. They're a teenager, like they're pre-teens.
00:47:55
And one time... Stephen, you're marking this, and then we're going to talk about it.
00:48:00
We were having a hangout party for like a boxing thing. One of the boxing... We weren't having a boxing thing.
00:48:08
There was a boxing match going on, and I don't know any details. So Vince was showing it.
00:48:13
It was a thing. We had friends over. Some of them... Listen, pot is legal in California.
00:48:20
Some of them like to smoke it. And so the house was filled with smoke. And then I hear a knock at the door, which is always the most terrifying thing.
00:48:25
Oh, my God. And I open it, and these two 12, 13-year-old skater boys from next door are like,
00:48:30
Hey, we can smell pot. Can we have some? And I just slowly... I said, Are you guys cops?
00:48:41
They didn't get it. It was really funny. Fucking idiots. And then I said, No, and just closed the door.
00:48:49
And then it was like, Vince, Vince. Vince, the cops are here, and they're really young.
00:48:56
There's a 21 Jump Street situation happening. We're too high. Look at this. Get me out of here.
00:49:07
What's boxing? Why are people hitting each other? Okay, we definitely cut all that, Stephen.
00:49:12
Cut it all. Okay. This is tonight only. This is Indianapolis only. Keep it in the vault.
00:49:21
Don't go fucking on the fan forums telling the neighbor what everything Georgia said about her.
00:49:28
She's lovely. Everyone knows teenagers suck. Okay. Okay, so, six weeks after, okay, da-da-da-da, okay, okay.
00:49:37
They find evidence that the couple had taken steps to board the cat, drop Brooke off at the babysitters,
00:49:43
and leave town to the casino twice previous attempts to do the same fucking thing.
00:49:48
So this is the third attempt, and it finally worked. Police often discover that Mark Leonard
00:49:52
is being sued civilly by multiple women who accused him of scamming them out of money through online dating sites.
00:49:59
Don't trust anyone until you've known them four years, I'd say. Wait, so is that how he got that big wad of money?
00:50:07
Those four ladies? Yeah, probably. And the roofing. I don't know. That is good money, actually.
00:50:13
It's really good money. But you have to know the skill. You have to have skills.
00:50:16
And he'd previously been accused of insurance fraud before, so he's just a fucking fraudster.
00:50:23
Yes. Six weeks after the deaths of Dion and Jennifer Longworth, investigators arrest Montserrat Shirley, Mark Leonard, and his brother, Bob Leonard,
00:50:32
and they're all charged with insurance fraud and two counts of murder. In 2013, Mark, in jail, he's hanging out in jail, already in big trouble,
00:50:40
asks a jailhouse informant for a hitman connection. Because he is smart. He wants to kill an important witness against him.
00:50:50
He ends up calling an undercover agent and asking him to make it look like a suicide.
00:50:54
And the undercover agent's like, yeah, I could totally do that. Sure, that's not a problem.
00:50:59
And so he's additionally charged with conspiracy to commit murder. I love that even his jailhouse at Format was like, this guy sucks.
00:51:08
He's carrying around a wad of newspaper and saying, call me Big Spender. I feel like when you're in jail
00:51:18
you should know and again, please don't tell the criminals I said this, but you should know
00:51:23
that everyone around you is a jailhouse informant it's not like, every time we hear that
00:51:30
in a story I go, how did the cops why are they so smart that they knew to put someone in there
00:51:34
it's like, no no, it's just a dude going oh did you just give me something that could
00:51:37
shave a couple years off my hellish existence in this place Yeah, let's do it. How fucking stupid.
00:51:43
Yep. Yes. Okay. It's just this cocky, like, narcissism that you think you're somehow going to trick people.
00:51:49
Yeah, you're smarter than everybody. So prosecutors spend two years building their case.
00:51:54
They have 175 witnesses, six weeks of testimony, and 3,000 pieces of evidence. And they initially try to try the suspects together, but the whole time the judge is like,
00:52:07
fuck you guys. Like, he hates these fucking people, clearly. And he kept being like, nope, nope, nope.
00:52:12
So the trials then start in 2015. Before Mark's trial, prosecutors offer to drop the murder charges against Montserrat
00:52:20
in exchange for her testimony against Mark. And she pleads guilty to two counts of conspiracy to commit arson to receive a lesser sentence.
00:52:28
And she insists that the plan was Mark's idea from the beginning. They'd only been together a few weeks.
00:52:33
When he encouraged her to increase her insurance policy, she says she didn't want to go through with it.
00:52:37
but he eventually wore her down and she did it out of love for him, which is not a fucking excuse.
00:52:42
No, don't bomb anybody out of love for anybody else. It should be in the Bible, but since they didn't put it in there,
00:52:48
I guess we'll try to spread it around. The best way to show your love for someone is to say I love you.
00:52:56
Yeah. That's it. Maybe bring them some coffee when they don't expect it. Yeah. That's amazing.
00:53:02
It doesn't have to be a bomb situation. know. They use her testimony to show that he was willing to do anything for the money,
00:53:10
and she's a compelling witness. She's emotional and distraught. And on August 12, 2015, it
00:53:17
takes the jury four hours to return their verdict, guilty on every single count. Yeah.
00:53:24
Mark is sentenced to two consecutive terms of life without parole, plus an additional
00:53:29
75 years on 53 counts, including murder, arson, and insurance fraud. Seven months later, on March
00:53:36
18, 2016, his big-eyed brother, Bob, receives a sentence of life without parole. And there's all
00:53:46
these other people who are part of it. Gary Thompson is sentenced to 20 years. Glenn Holtz,
00:53:51
who knew about the scheme and kept the daughter at their house is sentenced to three years in prison And Montserrat is sentenced to 50 years in prison She could get out in 2037 at the earliest
00:54:05
In her sentencing order, the judge emphasizes that she could have stopped the plan at any time but didn't.
00:54:10
On top of the $4.5 million in damages, at least half a dozen marriages in the Richmond Hill neighborhood ended in divorce in the years immediately following the blast.
00:54:20
I wouldn't blame the blast. that's come on i wonder a lot of people were just like oh my god that like anything can happen at
00:54:29
any moment yes i need to go live my life i get and then they they looked over at their spouse
00:54:34
they're like i gotta get out of here that's a good point yeah um and more than one third of
00:54:42
the families who lived in the neighborhood on the night of the blast have since moved away for good
00:54:46
Good fucking bright, shiny horizon. Mark Leonard died of natural causes on Tuesday, January 30th in 2018 at the Indianapolis Hospital.
00:54:56
He was 48 years old. Natural causes at 48? Syphilis. Right? Actually, he might have had Hummer's disease.
00:55:09
That wad of cash just fucked up? The wad of cash fucked up his hip. A house has not been built where the Longworth's house once stood,
00:55:20
but a pear tree planted by Dion Longworth still grows in the yard where he and his wife Jennifer's house once stood.
00:55:27
Wow. And that is the fucking bananas Richmond Hill explosion. Wow. Thank you. Blown away.
00:55:40
I was like, sorry. Shit. you know i don't like that kind of comedy but that was amazing thank you yeah it's not insane
00:55:50
also because it's like it's like the 24-hour news cycle we were like no i i remember this
00:55:56
but it might be a different explosion like you hear this thing and then you just don't hear the
00:56:00
leap the aftermath yes exactly it's not local it's local news yeah so you gotta dig yeah you
00:56:06
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I, when looking for a true crime story from Indianapolis, googled Indianapolis true crime story.
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That's where you start. Right. But usually that's the beginning. And then you spend all this time putting in like bizarre or historical.
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You're just trying to get something like interesting. That's a good story to tell.
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This was the first article I clicked on. And it's the murder of Eris Marjorie Jackson.
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Is her name Eris or is she an Eris? Eris Marjorie Jackson. Marie. Harris. I forgot it.
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Harris. Now I know. Okay, so this article that I found was written by Tim Evans of the Indianapolis Star.
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And it was from 2015. and they put together this story because it was the 40th anniversary of the crime
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and in it he quotes a book about the case that was written by Pulitzer Prize winning Indianapolis star reporter
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and editor Dick Cady and that book is called Scavengers, A True Story of Money, Madness and Murder
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and I want to read it really bad I need so much more so we are talking about Marjorie Jackson
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Oh my god, that hat was in the vintage shop this morning. I know, for real. Many, this might be her cape.
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So, oh, she looks like my grandma. Marjorie O is how she grew up She comes from what Dick Cady refers to as a quote hardscrabble background Right Hardscrabble So she wasn good at scrabble
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Come on, you're not into that kind of comedy. Now I hate comedy. Okay, but all that changes the day that Chester Jackson
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walks into Murphy's Five and Dime in downtown Indianapolis where Marjorie is working.
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They hit it off, and soon, Marjorie, hardscrabble Marjorie, discovers Chester Jackson is fucking loaded.
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Okay, so it turns out Chester's father was Lafayette Andrew Jackson. He started the standard grocery business.
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He opened the first Kroger in Ohio. Oh, my God. Money, money, money, money. Money.
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Who would have thunk that fucking supermarkets was, like, big money? Yeah, supermarkets.
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Dude. Supermarkets in the 10s, 20s, and 30s. I mean, it's in the name, supermarket.
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Oh, yeah. It is still super. That's crazy. Crazy money. Okay, so here's how it went.
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Chester's father started the standard. So he basically opened the first Kroger's in Ohio.
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Then he basically sold the chain and bought the standard grocery business. He just kept kind of buying up and buying up, making a ton of money,
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and then buying out places. He actually sold the AMP. He was the owner of the AMP grocery store chain, and he sold that,
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and then it immediately went out of business. He was just a very astute business person.
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Yeah, let's give him some props. But he is shot and killed in a robbery in one of the grocery stores that he owns.
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So in 1931, Chester takes over the family business. So he manages very well, but it's basically like he has a ton of money.
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Then he makes more money on that money. Sure. And we know how that goes in today's America.
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And so when he sells the entire chain of American grocery in 1947, he makes, of course, millions and millions and millions of dollars.
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And this is around the time when he walks into that five and dime and meets Marjorie,
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just like a terrible John Mellencamp song. The problem is, good old Chester Jackson's married.
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Uh-oh. And so Marjorie's like, that's fine. And they carry on what is referred to as a not-so-secret affair for years,
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which I would love, and when I read the book, I will then know the details of that not-so-secret affair.
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You touch her ankle in public or something? On the bus. Oh, my God. So I'm sure it was just he was like a super rich guy that could do whatever the fuck he wanted.
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And his wife was like, fine, I'll stay home and take pills and look out the window.
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It's not a bad life. It's not a bad life. It's not. You can smoke indoors. Cats love that life.
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There's many cats. You get some really high-grade cats. You just get your decanter of gin.
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Put on your stories. You're fine. Okay. Now, miraculously, in 1952, Chester actually does the thing all men say they're going to do, and he divorces his wife and marries Marjorie.
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It's a second marriage for both of them. So it was the real thing. Look, stop judging their love, as sinful as it might be.
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In 1954, they move into a very fancy house, an expensive at the time house on Spring Mill Road in Indianapolis.
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Indianapolis. You live there? It's the best road here. You should see how gorgeous the asphalt is.
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So, they never have children. But that doesn't matter because they have so much money
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that they treat their money like children. All the money gets their own room. they ignore it
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they don't go out and play okay so here's the thing though back in the day grocery stores
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used to be cash only businesses because of course credit cards either didn't exist
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or were very rarely used and you could not write a check usually at a grocery store
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unless people knew you personally so there was rarely checks so it was a cash business
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so essentially Chester and I'm sure his dear old dad Andrew Jackson, they basically would take home the money from the grocery stores and hide it in
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their house. Millions of dollars. They would stash it. Because he also, he didn't want to pay taxes
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on it. Of course he didn't. Nobody wants to pay taxes on their money. We fucking do it. Yeah,
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you just have to do it. But of course, he doesn't think he has to. So their entire house is just
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filled with money, with cash everywhere. It's also in safety deposit boxes and banks around town.
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But for the most part, he's got their houses filled with cash. It's a fire hazard
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because of cash. So then in 1970, Chester dies, and he leaves 60-year-old Marjorie
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with a $14 million fortune. So Marjorie is, I don't know if she already had been with the details will come in scavengers by Dick Katie, but she becomes a bit
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of a kooky recluse as one would want. Yeah. Fun. She's now, now it's my time for pills and gin.
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She's like, let's do this. She rarely leaves the house. Yay. What for? She, she talks to birds and
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squirrels I mean I done that I mean they fun to talk to They are Because they keep it zipped Wait is that a problem talking to squirrels
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Absolutely not. Okay. As long as it doesn't get in the newspaper. Okay. As long as you're not talking to it like it's a normal conversation.
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Yeah, are you hearing anything back from the squirrel? No. Then you're fine. Okay, great.
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Yeah. If you hear the squirrel talk back, tell a friend. She shouts racial epithets.
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Now there's when I stop. We knew we were going to run into something. It's 1978.
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Six. So she also tells people, the people she does see and talk to, who are hearing her yell bad words and talk to squirrels,
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she also tells them she's growing money out of the ground. Oh, no. How old is she, 42 or something?
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She's just, well, now she's 66, I believe. Okay. That's a good age to go fucking bad shit.
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Just lose it. Definitely stop dying your roots. Yeah, you're kind of still hot still.
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But you could be like, I'm just going to put one eyelash on today. Like, you could just do that kind of shit.
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Yeah, that's when it gets, your vision's very poor. You're not putting on glasses to put on lipstick.
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You're like, I know where my mouth is. Get away. Just really long chin hairs. Oh, yeah.
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Boop. So, in 1976, Marjorie learns that an employee at the bank where she has, she took her money and she put about $9 million of it in the bank, they say.
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But then she learns that an employee at the bank where she made that deposit, whose name was Herbert D. Biddle, which sounds, if that was in a script, I'd be like, I think we should change this.
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It's kind of goofy. but this is real he embezzled $700,000 from her out of her account
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probably in front of her because she was like this girl told me I should come in and look at my money today
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and he was like that's right Marjorie yes sign this and sign this no stole it behind her back
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he's caught he serves 10 years for embezzlement she goes from kooky recluse to full on lunatic millionaire
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So what she does is she spends the next few months pulling all the money out of all of her bank accounts across town.
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There was multiple. So between January and May of 1976, Marjorie cashes out her entire fortune, which is, oh, so sorry, it was 11 million total?
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Yeah. It's more than that. It's 14. But she takes 9 million out of the Indiana National Bank.
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It's now Chase. Sorry. we're all just, it's all going to become just Chase. Like we're like, do you want to get fast
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food or go to the bank or go to the grocery store or go to the hospital? Let's go to Chase.
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There's a really good show on Chase tonight. Okay. Stop being negative, Karen. She takes 9 million out of the Indiana National Bank and an estimated additional 2 million
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from other bank accounts. So what she'd do is she'd show up at the bank with a suitcase.
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Yes. She'd ask for a million dollars in $100 bills. Fuck. And then she'd go walk out of the bank with a suitcase,
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like real side to side for no reason. Beautiful vintage suitcase. Yes. Flowers on it.
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Then she'd go home and hide the cash in closets, toolboxes, vacuum cleaner bags, garbage cans.
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cans, other spots around her house. And she would squirrel it away. The squirrels told me
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to put this here. And she always had a bunch of cashews in her cheek. Anyhow, everybody.
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Okay, so of course, word spreads around town. You know, Herbert D. Biddle from the jail was like, guys, listen.
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You're fools or you don't get up to that house on Spring Hill Road. I got a tip for you from jail. It's me.
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Herbert D. Biddle. I'm bald and I have round glasses. You can see me in your head right now
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because my name is Herbert D. Biddle. Pocket watch, vest. Word spreads through town
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that Marjorie has millions of dollars hidden in her home. Which is, you have to think about,
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that's like, if you wanted to look at, you know, there's a house in Los Angeles,
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they just call it the murder house, where a dad tried to kill his whole family one night.
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The Los Feliz murder mansion. The Los Feliz murder mansion. And yeah, the rumor was that it was all closed up
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and you could still see the Christmas tree and the Christmas presents or whatever,
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but that was like, that's kind of not really the truth. But everybody goes and looks at it
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because you're just like, holy shit. Imagine if you found out that there was just like a crazy old lady
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in a house full of cash. Yeah. Like it's such a security issue. I mean, that's why people don't keep cash in their house.
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No, nor should they. No, they shouldn't. Or in their vacuum cleaner bag. Guys, get a savings account.
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You know, get a high-yield savings account. Put your money in there. Let it increase overtime.
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Because Chase Bank cares about you. Chase. Chase Bank. Promo code murder. Boom. And that's how you get people to stop.
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podcast references get podcast work. Okay. Millions of dollars in cash in hundred dollar bills in
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House of the crazy lady. So on May 2nd, 1977, two 19-year-olds named Walter Bergen Jr. and Douglas Howard Green
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break into Marjorie's house. They steal diamond necklaces, watches, a pearl necklace, diamond rings,
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and then in going through one of Marjorie's closets, they find $817,000 in $100 bills.
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So they take that too. Yeah, they do. Yeah, they do. Holy shit. Yes. Which in today's money.
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Oh my god That's easily 2.7 million dollars Why didn't I today's money that? I don't know
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I'm sorry I was procrastinating It's a ton It's over double Let's just say that And agree to it and move on
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Why don't you have another beer And stop checking my math Someone's defensive Okay
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Marjorie doesn't report the crime. When the police ask her about it, she says the teenagers are lying.
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Mind your own business. Wow. That is ballsy as fuck. Hero, hero, hero, except for the racism part.
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I love it so much. but of course Bergen and Green brag about the robbery all over town
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shut up so the police go to Marjorie's house with an attorney who works for the prosecutor's office named Tommy Thompson
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yep who is actually the one who tackled Harold D. Biddle Herbert D. Biddle forget it
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cancel that joke they go to Marjorie's house to say we know these guys did it. We've caught them bragging about it.
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We need you to press charges. It was one of the coldest days of the year. Marjorie met them at the end of the driveway
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in her nightgown holding a gun. It was a toy gun, but they didn't know that. And she told them to get off
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her property. They didn't shoot her dead because she's white. They left. They left.
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Bergen and Green were later caught and arrested for the robbery and for being stupid.
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Okay. So despite Marjorie's threats and reclusiveness, it happens again, of course.
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It's like, this entire story is like a prequel to Fargo. There's so many parallels and characters, all of it.
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It's insanity. So on May 2nd, 1977, Manuel Robinson and Howard Billy Joe Willard.
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For real. Billy Willard? Oh, shit. I think I have another picture. Oh, no, wait.
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I had Marjorie. Oh, I do. Ooh. Look at that. Look at that. This is the house. And she let it.
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This was. Oh, wow. Shit, I should have done that comparison. This was a really nice house when they moved in.
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It was a really nice house. And this is what she let it turn to. Oh, honey. With her ramblings and her squirrel talk.
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You got the Christmas lights. You're round. Yeah. You got that thing. You have $100 bills everywhere you turn.
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Get a boy and go through this place with a weed whacker. Yeah, yeah. And not have another one sit security all day.
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Yeah. And they... Just take your fake gun and sit on the front porch. Yeah. just you greedy old nut okay um okay so robinson and willard break into the house and they steal a
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million dollars in cash and they get away with it so two days later they go back for more oh
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because it's a house filled with cash and an old lady who doesn't care that people are stealing her
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money or something. Wow. But this time when they're in the house and they literally are taking
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bags of cash out of the house as like, like they're just like taking their time. Yeah. It's
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almost like an episode of hoarders, but instead of garbage, it's a hundred dollar bill. Oh my God.
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Uh, Marjorie confronts them in the kitchen and they shoot her and kill her in her home.
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they end up stealing two to three roughly million dollars in cash each each each yeah so to cover up
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the murder they start a fire as they leave the house but they're dumb as many criminals are and
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they do a bad job with starting a fire in a house filled with money they can't they can't get it to
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burn. So the fire they set just smolders for hours. Oh. And basically after, uh, I think one
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article said hours later and another said several days later, um, somebody notices the smoke and
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finally the firemen come. And this is in the seventies when they like sprayed flammable shit
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on every surface of your house. Yes. If she had that nightgown on that she confronted the cops.
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Yeah. Those were made of matches. Did you know that? I don't know why they did that.
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And the little clip was a lighter. You could always smoke a cigarette. I held up a nightgown to Karen today at the vintage shop.
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I was like, look how cute this is. And you said it light right up on Christmas morning Okay you right Put it back My father has done irreparable damage to me And I see fire everywhere
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And I start fires everywhere. Okay, so the firemen finally come. They find Marjorie's body as well as another $5 million in cash
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that none of the four thieves could find. Oh my God. Because it had been stored in a 32-gallon trash can tucked inside a closet.
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So as they were going through all the other shit, they're like, no, that's garbage.
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Don't look in there. Yeah. In the closet? No. That's trash. That's the trash can.
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That's the closet can. Yeah. People need that sometimes to throw shoes away. Actually, it would be a good idea.
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I never get rid of clothes. I'm always like, I was going to say grow back into it.
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I'll slim down back into it. I won't get rid of anything. There should be a garbage can there.
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I'm like, give it up. You're never going to wear this sailor shirt. I have a weird corner where I tuck the things that I want to give away
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and want to sell and want to maybe fit back into one day. And then it's like a weird tucky thing that you can't see.
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And then Mimi sleeps on it for fucking months. And I take it out and there's just this sheen of fur.
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And then it's trash. Yeah. Have you ever done, I've done this a couple times when I drop clothes off at the Goodwill or the place near my house.
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There will be enough dog hair on the clothes I'm dropping off where I try to make sure no one sees me.
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But it's you. These are good clothes, but you're going to have to roll the shit out of these clothes.
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Apologies. Okay, so here's Detective Dave Paschal, or Paschal, or Paschal, counting some of the cash.
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Oh, wow. Look at him. That's not Herbert? No. Ah! That's his brother Dave, his brother-in-law Dave, by marriage.
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Look at the look on his face. He's like, I have to count it, and I don't get to have any.
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This is bullshit. After that photo was taken, he was going, one for me, one for you.
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No. Uh-oh. Well. Dog ear that idea. When investigators search the house, and this is the part I really, I don't have enough information on for my own satisfaction.
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When investigators search the house, all the doorknobs and heating vents are covered in aluminum foil.
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What does that mean? Baked potatoes. Happy St. Patrick's Day, everybody. What does it mean?
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I don't know. Oh. There's no answer, and she's not there. Squirrel Lady isn't there to explain what the thinking is.
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I thought it was some kind of part of the plot or something. It's part of the plot in that the set decorator's really going to have to do some aluminum foil work
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on this prequel that we're going to produce. All right. I think it's just indicative of a mind that's gone off by itself.
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That's wandered away from the picnic table. Because they, you know what else she does?
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They also find thousands of small wrapped gifts around the house with labels like,
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To Jesus from Marjorie Jackson. Ooh. Ooh. Yeah. To God, love Marjorie. Oh. You hear about gifts from God, but no one ever talks about giving gifts to God.
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Repent. They open some of these gifts just to make sure there's not $100 bills stuffed inside of them.
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Because that's not the kind of money that Jesus uses. Bitcoin. He's a Bitcoin guy.
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Totally digital. Jesus. Inside, instead of being valuables or cash, they find a stack of wash rags, 50 loaves of bread,
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around 100 pounds of coffee. I mean, we don't know Jesus personally. But here's the thing.
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As we know from the Bible, if you care about the Bible like I do, You know, Jesus doesn't need you to give him bread.
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He can make it himself. It's one of his best tricks. Do not gift Jesus bread. That's a good point.
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He's like, thanks. He's basically has a bakery, and you're giving him bread. I'm good.
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What are you, what's that, fishes? No, no, no, no, I got, oh. No. But then he's like, ooh, wash rags.
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Yes, you can always use wash rags. But also coffee, cakes, cards, dear Jesus, and more, all intended to be gifts for Jesus and his dad, which is nice, if you believe.
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She also laid out the dining room table in her finest china and best silver because she was preparing for the feast she and Jesus would have when he came back.
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to quote the great Tiffany Haddish. She ready. She ready. Oh, honey. Yeah. So in days and weeks after the robbery,
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the two men responsible... So basically, I'm going to spoiler alert you. The two men responsible are Billy Joe Willard
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and Manuel Robin Starr. I told you that already. It's not a spoiler. Forgive me.
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I'm not following my own story. I'm so shit-faced. You would not believe it. Okay.
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Willard and Robinson split up One smart move they do And they play it super cool Of course they don Not in the least Okay so here this is Billy Joe and his girlfriend Marjorie Pollitt
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Because it's 1978 and everyone's named Marjorie. I mean, can we talk about that upper lip mustache?
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Is it a mustache? Yeah. Oh, it's not his. I don't think it's his lip. I thought it was chapped lip.
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And sorry, are those bottom or top teeth? Is there a dentist in the house? This is from a time before there were fillers,
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where if you wanted a fuller upper lip, you just had to grow fuller and make it appear.
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Yeah, some people have lips like this, millennials. You don't know that, because everyone fills their lips.
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That's right. Yeah, there were times where you just didn't get a lip. And you had to make do, and it gave you a better personality.
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Okay. Meanwhile, Marjorie had it all. Yeah. Look at her. With her condescending eyelids.
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Holy shit, those eyebrows. What is that called? Not seppuku, but the other one. Oh, I don't know.
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The one I couldn't, that I named incorrectly. What about the eyebrows, though? They don't exist.
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They're ghosts. They're ghost brows. Her forehead's haunted. I just do like that people used to have hair like this.
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And it was like, it didn't matter what your face looked like. You had to have literally four feet of hair.
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It was full on Marge Simpson. And you couldn't even put your finger through it. No.
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Because it was so spray. You couldn't get near it. Yeah. That was actually what would ignite the match robe or match night gown.
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Was the hairspray. It was like a full can of Aquanet inside your mom's hair. A history.
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Okay. So here's what they do. Marjorie and Billy Joe, they're like, we're going to go to Arizona.
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You guys don't have that accent here, do you? You have $3 million and you're like, how about Arizona?
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Arizona. That's what we're going to do. Well, I think the idea was they were going to lay low.
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Okay. The problem was that when they got there, they bought two RVs. With cash. Yes.
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With $100 bills. So the people selling RVs are just like, yeah. He's like, yeah, I'll take that one.
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And I want that one over there too. They're like, it's a Winnebago, sir. You just need one.
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No, I want both. So that Winnebago salesman called the police. And then, meanwhile, Manuel Robinson, who stays in town, made the exact same mistake.
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He goes with a friend and they buy two brand new Lincoln Continentals with $100 bills,
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which I'm sure has happened before. Buying cars with cash isn't insane. It isn't the weirdest thing.
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But what's weird is then they went back the next big day and bought two more. Dude.
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I mean, play it the slightest bit cool. They can't. They can't. Oh, you know. They're like, we have six hefty bags of $100 bills.
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We want people to know. Yeah. So, of course, all these bills are traced back to the bills that were given to Marjorie when she did all of her big withdrawals.
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And so Manuel and Billy Joe are arrested. Billy Joe's actually extradited. I think, yeah, he and Marjorie are extradited.
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There's them coming back. That's them on the tarmac and the cops taking them away.
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Where are their Winnebago's? Okay. I just like that things are circled, but you can't see anything.
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Like you're like, yep, I see the circles. Two circles for sure. So it did happen for sure.
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So when Manuel gets arrested, he lives in his girlfriend Annie's apartment. So they come to arrest him, and then they search her apartment,
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and they find about a half a million dollars hidden throughout her home. So he was like, he took a tip from Marjorie, the original.
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And so there was cash in her nightstand, in her dresser, and in a suitcase under the bed.
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There was a suitcase under the bed that had $1.5 million in cash in it. Can you fucking imagine taking a nap atop one point?
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Oh, the relaxation. You would just not be worried for fucking once. Oh, also, I forgot to tell you that while they were in Arizona, and after they were extradited, they, of course, separated the two of them and Marjorie Pollitt, the girlfriend, the authorities go to interview her.
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And she tells them exactly where in the Arizona desert she and Billy Joe buried two boxes of $100 bills totaling $1.6 million in cash.
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So literally, this is like a screen-for-screen reenactment of Fargo. But instead of snow and Steve Buscemi with his face,
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it's fucking Billy Joe and his girlfriend out in the desert just digging. Apparently, it was a really shallow hole, too.
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It's just like they're like, tick, tick, tick. All right. They're like, can't we pay someone to do this?
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We're rich now. No. They were obsessed with keeping everything in boxes or drawers.
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Don't spend the money. Squirrel it away. Okay. Okay, fine. I told you that part. Oh, here's those guys when they were being arraigned.
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So that Manuel and that his girlfriend Annie right there Caught Okay so Billy Joe Willard is pinned as the mastermind of this whole plan So he tried and found guilty of the murder of Marjorie Jackson
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He gets life in prison at the Indiana Reformatory. Good. Oh, here's him in court.
01:30:12
Oh, is he British now? Does he look British? Yeah, he became a soccer coach, or what I like to call football.
01:30:22
Anyway. Okay. He's like, guilty? What do you mean guilty? Look at the look on his face. It's also shocking
01:30:32
when it's like, yeah, you know, you went into the old lady's house twice and stole $5 million
01:30:38
in $100 bills. We caught you. Okay. So he, he goes to jail at the Indiana Reformatory in 1987.
01:30:48
he collapses while jogging and dies. So that's the end of his story. Jogging in prison.
01:30:59
There's this one part of the prison yard that's just such a gorgeous jog. There's a river, there's a riverfront trail.
01:31:06
I mean, I get that you want to stay in shape in prison, but personally I'd be like, now I can let myself go.
01:31:11
You know? Wouldn't you think? Yeah, it's like, yeah. Or you'd be like, if you're going to exercise,
01:31:18
do the thing that makes you look like someone can't shiv you in the night. You know what I mean?
01:31:22
Like jogging around. A light jog. That's like just wanting to paint a target on your back.
01:31:28
So he collapsed. They didn't even say why. Perhaps a blow dart from across the prison yard.
01:31:35
People are like, you're just bugging me and we're in jail, so I'm going to kill you.
01:31:40
Manuel Robinson has tried. He's acquitted of murder, but he is found guilty of robbery and arson,
01:31:46
So he serves 10 years in jail. So 40 years later, which was in 2015, an 81-year-old investigative journalist named Don Devereaux is talking to one of his sources about this story.
01:32:01
And they note how odd it is that there was so much money left unaccounted for. Uh-oh.
01:32:08
Yeah. So especially considering that Manuel and Billy Joe cooperated with the police
01:32:15
and, like, told them everything they got them, you know. And when they added it all up, it was $1.6 million had disappeared
01:32:23
from the boxes in the desert and the garbage bags in the apartment and everything.
01:32:28
Disintegrated. Right? So through the Freedom of Information Act, Don Devereaux obtains FBI files on the case,
01:32:34
And he comes across two interesting things. One, one of the FBI records about this that he requests is he gets a report that it's been partially destroyed.
01:32:46
It was partially destroyed in 1993. Squirrels. Therefore unattainable. And Devereaux says this is the first time in researching that he's ever experienced that with an FBI file.
01:33:00
It almost never happens. Wow. So that on top of, he sees in a report that one of the case agent's names has been left unredacted six times in the report, which is very, very uncommon.
01:33:13
So like any good reporter, he looks up the name and he finds the real estate and financial records of that agent.
01:33:21
and he finds that that agent has a Swiss bank account that he withdrew money from to buy a very expensive piece of property
01:33:29
several years after Willard and Robinson were sent to prison. So Don Devereux's theory is that this unnamed, in this article anyway, FBI agent who was named in the report he read,
01:33:44
skimmed some of the stolen money that he recovered from the Arizona burial hiding place,
01:33:49
misreported the amount of cash that was found and then funneled into his offshore bank account.
01:33:55
The FBI formally denied Don Devereux's request for further investigation. No. No, thank you, they said.
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Watch Mindhunter. Yeah. Netflix. Yeah. Whereabouts of the remainder of Marjorie Jackson's missing fortune
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are still unknown. And that is the insane story of the murder of Marjorie Jackson.
01:34:23
Wow. One page. What a waste. Oh, my God. How is that not a movie? Yeah. No, I've got to read Scavengers.
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Scavengers, a true story of Money, Madness, and Murder by Dick Cady. I'm reading it.
01:34:40
100%. Yeah. That was incredible. Good job. Thank you. Do we have time for our hometown?
01:34:44
I think we do. Wow. Oh, careful. Okay. I'm just like a bride. Oh, there's this. Oh, my God.
01:34:54
Hey. Oh, you've got green on. What happened? You have green on. That's right. And I have nothing else to add.
01:35:02
I'm sorry. I don't know. All right. I'm going to be out there. Okay. Do we need to wrap it up?
01:35:06
Are we in a little bit of a hurry? Okay. So this will be a quick one. We have to go very fast, please, because we've taken so long.
01:35:11
Let me just tell you a couple rules real quick, and they're important. Because we have to go fast.
01:35:17
You need to know the beginning, middle, and end of your story. You need to be able to tell it quick.
01:35:22
You can't stand up and be like, oh my God, this is crazy. I feel so crazy. We get it, and we understand, and we're crazy too.
01:35:30
But tell the fucking story. It needs to be from Indianapolis, please. It needs to be good.
01:35:37
And you can't be super drunk. Remember, it's St. Patrick's Day. We have a new one about the pointing thing.
01:35:41
Oh, yes, that's right. If you're pointing at a person next to you, but you haven't heard the story,
01:35:46
you're fucking dead meat i will come and find you and with that georgia will choose do you need the lights up uh yeah yeah one person yes come
01:36:00
This way. Oh, wait. Shit, go that way. I really fucked this one up. Uh-oh. You have to go the other direction.
01:36:09
Wait, come this way. Can you come this way? Can you guys all move your feet? But then she's so right down there.
01:36:15
I'm sorry. Oh. Oh, shit. Yes. Girl. She's climbing up. Yes. Yes. What's her name?
01:36:26
Jeannie. Jeannie? It's Jeannie, everybody. Good job. Jeannie got herself up on this fucking stage.
01:36:33
She doesn't need stairs. Oh, with help. Her team. Good job. Where are you from? I live in Indianapolis now, but my story is from my hometown, which is Bloomington, Indiana.
01:36:45
Okay. Okay. All right. So, when I was growing up in the 80s, do I give names? Yeah.
01:36:56
Come on. I mean, whatever you're comfortable with. A woman named Glendon Weineger killed her boyfriend, a bowling supply salesman,
01:37:07
one night while he was sleeping by walking up to him, picking up a bowling ball, and dropping it on his head.
01:37:15
No! So it wasn't premeditated? That's fucking Game of Thrones, isn't it? Isn't that from Game of Thrones?
01:37:25
Shit. She then proceeded to pick it up and drop it again. And again. And then again.
01:37:34
And she finally admitted to the police that she lost track of how many times she actually picked it up and dropped it.
01:37:40
Oh, my God. So she admitted that she did it. And she said, and this is not funny, but she said that she did it because he was abusive and she was trying to get out of the relationship.
01:37:54
And she said that before she escaped, she wanted to hurt him as badly as she wanted her.
01:38:01
So she went on trial, and the prosecutor, to his credit, did not really argue that.
01:38:10
His whole argument was, okay, sure, but maybe about the fifth or sixth time you picked up the bowling ball and dropped it,
01:38:20
But it stopped being about self-defense and became more first-degree murder. So anyway she had a really good defense team And the judge in Monroe County at the time received a lot of letters from women supporting her and saying we understand this And so she was charged with first degree murder
01:38:48
but anyway, ultimately she was convicted of manslaughter. And the judge mentioned in his
01:38:54
sentencing that he'd received all these letters. And she was sentenced to eight out of a possible
01:38:59
20 years, and she did her time, and she was released, and I did some checking, and she
01:39:05
actually went on and got married and then died many, many, many years later of natural
01:39:10
causes. So kind of a happy ending. But my connection to this story is that, obviously kind of a sensational story, and so when the
01:39:23
trial happened, it was super sensational. Press coverage everywhere. And the day the trial opened, when they were breaking for lunch,
01:39:31
reporters everywhere and photographers and cameras, and my mother worked in the courthouse.
01:39:38
And so she was leaving her office as Glendon and her attorneys were leaving the courtroom,
01:39:44
and there were reporters and everything hounding her. And my mom said she looked kind of uncertain and frightened,
01:39:49
so my mom opened the door to her office and said, come in here and wait until they leave.
01:39:53
And so Glendon and her attorneys came in, and my mom tried to shut the door, and the reporters were trying to follow into her office.
01:40:03
So my mom said, we're closed, it's lunchtime, and the reporters were like, it's a public office, we can come in.
01:40:08
And so my mom had kind of this shoving match with the reporters. And so she finally pushed the door shut against them, and she turned around and she went, oh, those goddamn reporters, couldn't you just bash their heads in?
01:40:23
Oh my God. Oh my God. Jeannie. Jeannie, everyone. That was amazing. That was amazing.
01:40:55
Do you know what to tell us? That's pretty much my friend. What was your mom's name?
01:41:01
What's your mom's name? Barbara. Barbara, she's still with us? She's moved on. Okay.
01:41:06
Barbara! Feast to Barbara That was awesome Amazing job You can go toward this Oh yeah He get you off the stage Yeah yeah You don have to climb down It yours Yeah yeah
01:41:21
Holy shit, Jeannie. That was... Oh, my God. We've had a weekend. This is our first show.
01:41:30
Every night's been a fucking great hometown. Every night. That was the fucking most fun.
01:41:34
That was... Yeah. I mean, fuck. I've never had a run like that of great hometowns.
01:41:42
I always have to try to anticipate and see what she's going to do. And I just thought her mom was going to be in the background of a picture.
01:41:49
I was like, oh, she was in the newspaper with a weird look on her face. But no. You love it when you're wrong.
01:41:56
She said something that we all could picture ourselves saying. And then going, oh, my God.
01:42:01
I'm sorry. Gosh. Wow. Guys, it's been an incredible weekend and an incredible night.
01:42:07
Thank you so much for having us. This has been, you have been an incredible crowd.
01:42:21
And this has been a fucking perfect show. It's really, really, truly, truly. It means so much to us that we get to do this.
01:42:33
It's obviously the most fucking fun thing in the world to do. that we get to have this as our job.
01:42:39
We're having the time of our life. We're doing things that we never thought we were going to be able to do.
01:42:44
It's unbelievable. And we get to do it because of you guys, because of how passionate you are about this show,
01:42:50
how you listen, how you support, and because of this community that you have built
01:42:55
and that you are creating together. It's fucking unbelievable. Oh, speaking of which, at Tappers,
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There is a meetup after this because there is a beer called Stay Out of the Forest that they're making.
01:43:12
And $3 of every pint goes to end the backlog. So go, please, and support that. Don't drive home.
01:43:23
Do not drive home. But please give $50 to end the backlog through beer tonight. Yeah, it's such a weird feeling doing this in front of you guys.
01:43:34
We usually do this staring at each other with Stephen touching his mustache and quietly
01:43:40
laughing and sometimes his stomach growls. It's real weird. So doing this is just so much fun and it just a weird part of our lives and we appreciate your support so much You guys we are so happy to be doing thrilled it like everything it started as this little weird nugget of me and georgia alone in her apartment with no air conditioning sweating and talking about ted bundy and it has bloomed into
01:44:02
this unbelievable thing that we it's still blowing our minds and thank you it's incredible so of
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Of course, stay saved and do God's missions, please. That's important to both of us.
01:44:20
But more than that, stay sexy. And... Bye, Minneapolis. Thank you. Why is it always chaos when we link up?
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