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Because the food you love is better with Marikon. Hello! And welcome. To My Favorite Murder.
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The true crime comedy podcast for all of your true crime and comedy needs. Yep. The one your mom told you about.
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The one your sister keeps forcing you to listen to. And you're like, girl, we're never going to get over that thing that happened in 10th grade.
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Yeah. So you can't use this as a hold on a second. It's working. I love you again.
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Oh, my God. We have so much to talk about and it's bad stuff and it doesn't have anything to do with that.
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We don't ever have to talk about that. Good. It's just we're creating with this podcast a series of icebreakers for Thanksgiving.
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Totally. And say your upcoming Easter discomforts that are heading. Not you personally.
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No, it's me. It's me too. Sorry. I've asked you this question. Questions like this so many times.
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You love to question my Judaism. It's just is there the Easter equivalent, which I know is not the story wise, not the equivalent.
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But is there a spring celebration in Judaism? Passover. That's really? Yeah, because, you know, there's like an egg on the Seder plate.
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Yes. You motherfuckers stole it. That's why the eggs are the thing. You guys were first.
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We're first. You had all the good ideas. Luckily, I mean, sadly, I'll be gone for my family's Passover.
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What's the plan? Is it at a house, private home? It's at my mom's teeny tiny apartment that we all cram into.
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Fun. It's fun. And then, yeah. And then that Manischewitz starts getting poured.
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Everybody, the truth starts getting spoken. Yeah. Elbows thrown. Last time I got a scar on my hand from walking into a wall.
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It just gets, it gets fun. It really does. Were you walking like the Bride of Frankenstein?
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No, and a hands out? Making a hilarious joke. And I talk with my hands and I turned and didn't see the stucco wall coming at me.
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And now I have a fucking legit scar right there. You should sue your mother. because there goes your fucking hand modeling career Georgia
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it was supposed to be your safety net when all this fucking falls apart and my toke fucking gets screwed up
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and my foot modeling career is over goodbye internet foot fetish website you used to be the star of
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thank you I own stock in it it's not true but it is a great dream to have shoot for your dreams everyone
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my aunt Carol was mad that I wasn't going up for Easter and my dad's like what for
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the traffic are you bummed about the traffic i know just for like uh those big catholic holidays
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don't really bring the family together the way they used to which was by force yes exactly now
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it's all now it's more casual of going up because nora has her ice dancing competition and then we
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all actually have a great time yeah instead of being forced to fucking eat eggs or whatever the
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Hell you do. Yes. We have to eat eggs. It's basically Easter is a Christian egg eating contest.
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And I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. Those poor chickens. It's like cool hand Luke, but on Easter.
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You just gulp them down. Just keep eating them. Swallow your egg. Prove to the Lord that you love him through egg consumption.
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Parents, swallow your eggs. I'm trying, Mommy. We were talking about, though, Easter, between our family and the Hospitars,
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which are our closest non-relative relatives because they were our neighbors for years.
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And we used to always do Easter at one of our houses. And I'm sure I've told the story before, but my Uncle Steve, because I was the youngest,
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he taught me how to pay attention to nonverbal cues. Because when I was two years old, we were all doing the Easter egg hunt in the backyard.
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And of course, all my older cousins are running around and finding all of them. And I'm like two kind of stumbling around.
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and then I realized my Uncle Steve is walking ahead of me and he keeps intentionally walking ahead of me and finally I look up and I just noticed that
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he's doing this with his cigarette hand so he's always smoking always had a cigarette between his first two fingers and he was just exactly is a total he
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was a total like Clint Eastwood Paul Newman type and he strong and silent he was pointing at where all the eggs were he was showing me where they were so two Karen was like verbal clues yes got it I looked up non clues
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because I looked up and I was like why does what what's he doing with his cigarette and I put like
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all of a sudden beautiful mind style I put it all together he's pointing at where the eggs are he's
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helping me cheat and then I was like of course and then it turned out he never existed
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he was the easter bunny or the cigarette all along the easter bunny has a big mustache
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and he smokes um can i tell you that we have the thing at past ever called uh hide the afi komen
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which is that you hide a piece of matcha somewhere and the kids have to go find it and you get money
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if you it's like i thought yafi komen was a cnn contributor i really up until this moment
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did i even say it right okay yeah you did no so it's like they're how much money do you get
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are related it depends on your family that would make sense you know it always depends on your
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rich kids are always 20 yeah when the kids are like you get eight presents for hanukkah it's
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like well it depends on your family fucker yeah that's right that makes sense i called my friends
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fucker as a kid as a two-year-old i too was yeah verbally i use verbal cues yeah the verbal cue
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fuck you fuck yourself never ask me about hanukkah again when will you learn karen but passover and
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I know I've told you this. Our friend, the Greenbergs, invited us over. Marsha Greenberg and her husband, who is a doctor.
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A doctor? A doctor. And they lived in Marin, and they invited us over for Passover.
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Ooh, fun. And we went. It was spread to beat the band. Good fucking food. In their beautiful home.
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Of course, I got to read because I was the youngest at the table, right? That's so much fun.
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Yeah, I was always the youngest. Yeah. So I was like, this is the religion for me.
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That's why I've always had. Judaism has been so close to my heart. Because I'm like, these are my people.
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they get what I bring to the table. Why is this religion different than all other religions?
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What's different about this? Karen's like, I don't care. I just want to join. Mom, I want to switch.
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But that's when my mom explained to me, I guess now that I look at it, she was just like, no, not everybody has that spread.
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Yeah, yeah. Like, to me, that was the set, almost like a Thanksgiving dinner. That's what you got for Passover.
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And she was like, no, no, no, they're rich. Like, that was like, they shipped in fresh fruit from,
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you know, whatever. All the things that we got were the rich people's. Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah. Because I was like, this is the religion. Yes. Well, you still eat pretty good when you're poor, too.
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Yeah. At the fucking, what are they called? Holidays. Yeah, you guys got it covered.
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We love it. We're more about suffering and pain. Tenance. Live it up while you can.
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Live it. Love it. Pass it over. Learn to levitate. Let's move on from our religious.
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This is a religious podcast. You want to. I'd rather talk about it. Um, let's do corners.
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So everything is new. It's all new. We have a new fucking office that actually has like sound paneling in it.
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Yeah, this might sound much different to you than it normally does. And that's because our acoustic panels have gone up and the recording studio is one step closer to being finished.
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That's right. This is our office, Karen. We're businesswomen. I know. How cool is that?
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It's the greatest. There's a drawer over there that someone put together for us.
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We've got a mug of pens just fucking sitting there. We can use any one of the pens we want.
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Any and all. We could take one home. We could put the whole fucking jar in our purse.
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And then someone will put new pens out. And leave. And we're paying for them, though.
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That's the problem. Oh, that's, yeah, the back end. So another new thing is that we got our website and our fan cult totally fucking refreshed.
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It got Botox. It got Juvederm. It got fillers. It got fucking. It got the Beverly Hills Express.
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That's right. Basically, we heard you. We knew the interaction wasn't great. We knew.
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So we've been working on this kind of behind the scenes this whole time, and we finally got to debut it.
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If you hadn't had a chance, please go over to www.myfavoritemurder.com and take a look at the brand new website and consider joining the brand new fan cult.
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That's right. It's so much different now. There's a new logo that's on new merch.
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We're going to maybe do a fan cult store with fan cult only merch. The forums are amazing now.
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They're not fucking shitty in all caps. anymore. Yeah, we heard we definitely heard your feedback on that. We felt the same way. Can I just
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say like, that's been on my mind, like the fan cult and website looking bad, has been weighing
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on my mind for as long as it's been bad. Well, of course, a year way. It's how there's this
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audience, this, this listenership, so wants to be in communication with each other. Yeah. And with us
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And the idea that we weren't able to facilitate that correctly for so long has been driving us insane.
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Yeah. It's very frustrating. It's been a huge stress. But I'm really proud of the new site and the new fan cult.
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It's a new company. And we basically wrapped our arms around all of the issues. And it's really exciting to us.
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The videos look better. Unboxing videos. There's like exclusive content, ticket contests.
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Our book tour, very short. But we're going on a three-city book tour. That's right.
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To promote it. It's called Say Sexy, Don't Get Murdered. You may have heard of that title.
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Yeah. It's from this show. Yeah. Have you listened to your sister yet? Do you even care?
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We're proud of it. It feels like home. And also it feels like we're finally delivering this baby that we've been pregnant with for like two years.
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Yeah. Enough with this already. Stop it. We're not elephants. Goop. How long are they pregnant for?
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Two years. Stephen, test me. Holy shit. Stephen thinks it is two years. But I believe that it's a really goddamn long time.
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I guess humans, nine months. Ten months, technically. Why? Because they judge it from the end of your last period.
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So you could have been pregnant or something like that Oh yeah You know what I mean For that whole time It actually technically like 10 months Ew I know right Even grosser
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95 weeks. What? Whoa. Come on. Well, a year is 52 weeks. Okay, great. I knew that.
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Yeah, human pregnancy is 40 weeks. An elephant is 95 weeks. Basically double. Basically double.
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Yeah, two years. Basically almost 22 months. Yeah. Fuck that. A little less then.
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Hey, speaking of elephants giving birth, tomorrow is Stephen's birthday. I don't know.
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That sounded shittier than I thought. I would restate. I did not mean your parents are elephants.
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I just spent. Speaking of birthdays. Birthdays. Yay. Thank you. Tomorrow. So what day would it be?
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The day this comes out. The day this comes out was yesterday was Stephen's birthday.
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Yes. April 17th. Yeah. Oh, today's Tuesday. Yeah. We're a day ahead this week. Yeah.
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Christ. For us, tomorrow is Stephen's birthday, but for you, yesterday was Stephen's birthday.
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So please get those online birthday wishes to him. Please. You know he lives for it.
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Send him gifts, cats, and birthday gifts. Please don't send me cats. That would be a lot to take care of.
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Yes. Oh, I met a cat over the weekend. What kind? Oh, my God. She was this little Siamese with a broken tail, and maybe she was incontinent from it, but
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she was so cute. I wanted to cry. What part was cute about the incontinence? She was just cute.
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Okay. Santa de Orr, our local fucking, our local cat rescue. Are you about to go over the three cat limit?
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Hear me out. Okay. Four cats. Hear me out. One over the limit. That's my argument.
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What if four is the limit? Doesn't four make much more sense than three? Right? Yeah.
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Two and two. Yes. That's counting. Look. It's basic fucking counting. Don't make me count for you.
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I don't want to have to add your cats. I, while I was driving to Petaluma this weekend,
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I was actively looking for stray dogs on the side of the five because one time, honestly,
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16 years ago, as I was driving up the five, I saw two dogs running on the side of the road and I didn't stop for them.
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And it has haunted me ever since. And, but it was near there. I could see that we were near somewhere.
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I think it was near Bakersfield. So they could have been lost, but they probably were dumped.
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Either way. Oh, Ever since then, I'm like, if I spot one, I'm taking it. And that's, you know, God's way of giving me a new dog.
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I saw a fucking dog in my neighborhood off leash. And I was like, my new dog. Like, I slammed on my brakes and was like, yay.
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And the guy just walked by. Yeah. I was like, I was about to steal your fucking dog.
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Yeah. That's all I want. I know. I mean, I'll hide a puppy in the bushes and you hide a kitten in the bushes.
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And we'll find each other. Yes, that's nice gift giving. Right. For your friends that you can't get anything for, how about you plant a stray animal of their choice into a bush you know they pass the same time every day.
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What are they doing hanging around that bush? It's really weird. You should save it.
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Is it your friend with their raincoat that's always got their hands in the pockets?
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Why does Michelle like bushes so much? It's really weird. Have you ever noticed she can tell you what every kind of bush is when you pass it?
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It's so weird. I mean, some people call it a green thumb. I think she's a pervert.
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she's a bush pervert she's a bushman um so yeah definitely join the fan cult what are we talking
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about i don't know uh do you have any uh any corners to correct there was just a little bit
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of a corner that steven printed up because so this woman named donna is from the bay area and she
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is a big fan of hippos she's a hippo head she's a and always has been since the 80s early 80s she says uh worked at the oakland zoo she remembers
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mugs from your from our hometown the hometown where their mugs basically half swallowed a child
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and then got punched and then i was for it and everything worked out okay um but basically she
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was there to say she was there when mugs lived at the oakland zoo oh my god and she still has
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mugs that said save baby mugs coffee mugs that said save baby mugs and so she's sending them to
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us um one of them just one just one donna you know your roommate's gonna break one anyways you
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might as well just send it to us first uh yeah exactly because we need them basically just donna's
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here to say it she's she's wasn't a it wasn't a fucking fever dream of your childhood she was
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there she knows mugs she's got the mug to prove that mugs the hippo is real and also um i think
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does she run hippos.com? Is that her thing? I think it was posted on there. Oh, she posted it on hippos.com.
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Oh my god. What about hippofeet.com? I'm up for that next. It's the ballerina hippo feet with the toes painted
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pink. What I liked is just there's really good hippo clip art that was featured throughout. Oh my god, who knew?
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That's adorable. When you have a free chance, go on over to hippos.com And to spend a little time.
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And it's just good to know for that person that got swallowed. Oh, wait, I want to show you.
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This was the one I was looking for. Join us on Facebook. Oh, the International Hippo Society is having a reunion in Albuquerque.
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Oh, sorry, that was last year. Look at that clip art. Don't break my heart. I want to go to that fucking, what is it, a 5K where hippos chase you and you're just running super fast?
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I am in. It's a 5K, but you just keep getting dipped into a baby hippo's mouth and then running to get out of it.
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What about that drunk hippo clip art? Oh, that's a shit-faced hippo. Yeah, I love that idea.
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He's thumbs-upping everyone. All right. So, anyway. So, join the fan cult. Join that fan cult.
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God, things are new over there. And the hippo content. We bought hippo.hippos.com.
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And we folded them into the new website. That's right. We are hippos.com. We are hippo.
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We are ballerinas now. And we're also hippo.com. Which is all about the rules and regulations of doctors.
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That right We just taking over websites Watch out Amazon Yeah Bezos How do you say his name Yeah I believe
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The newly single Jeff Bezos. Oh, yeah. Hey, pay your taxes, buddy. Getting political.
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Yeah, that's what we're like. Politics. Fucking hippos. And then matzah. It's just happening.
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Get with it. God, I wish you could have seen all the gestures we were doing. Georgia started them.
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I was kind of mimicking her. Over here. Over there. It was like semaphore. If you've been to a live show, you've seen it.
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You've seen the great gesturing that goes on. When you're listening to a live show and people just start laughing for no reason,
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and you're like, why are they laughing? It's because we're weirdly touching each other.
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Yes. In like a weird, pinchy, awkward way. Yes. We're reaching out for support, physical support for each other.
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Or sometimes I'll just turn and do a take to the audience, like Carol Burnett style.
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we're all just do a big what kind of thing Karen's a big facial actress I like to be a facial actress
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not the porn style which god bless let's call it more of an eyebrow actress wouldn't you say that?
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I would always say that I say it all the time have you ever logged on to wiki eyebrow
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ew it's so gross that reminds me of there's an Instagram called girly mags it's like girly dot mags and they just will post stuff from the 90s like they'll do like an eyebrow
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slideshow of like what our eyebrows look like famous people's eyebrows in the 90s yes it's just
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i don't know they're razor thin kids must think we were fucking crazy back then we were we were on
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diet pills everyone was on either diet pills or it was this thing of like the style was um you try
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Try to do a throwback thing if you can't, if you have enough taste on your own. But there was no internet to guide you.
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Right. It was pretty 40s of us. Yes. It was very 40s. I mean, I had full-on Clara Bow eyebrows for a long time.
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But in high school, they were full-on Brooke Shields, late 70s Brooke Shields. What we're trying to say is trends come and go.
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Be yourself. But don't get anything tattooed onto your face. Hide your razor when you're drunk.
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I mean, your fucking tweezers and your razor. Hide everything. Hide sharp blades to cut your bangs with when you're drunk.
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Don't make any hair, head, face, hair decisions when you're drunk. You're always wrong.
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And don't do what I used to do, which is get drunk and then berate my roommates into cutting my hair for me.
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I'll do it. I do it. I do it. I'm the friend who'll fucking, won't say, no, no, no.
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I'll be like, give me this. I have scissors and I'll come do it. Let's do it. Because it was always like, all I'm asking for is an A-line bob, except for I have 17 layers of hair.
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It doesn't look like it on the surface. I get halfway through and be like, I don't want to do this anymore.
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That's literally what would happen. I can't tell you how many times Dave Messermore was like, I can't finish that it's too much hair.
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And then I'd be like, it's fine. Tomorrow I'll go to Supercuts. Well, we're staying together this weekend in Nashville at an Airbnb because there was a hotel issue.
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So we're staying at an Airbnb, you, me, and Vince. There's a jacuzzi. I'm sure Vince is going to go straight to the grocery store and get me canned wine.
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Nice. I'm going to cut your fucking hair. What's that experience going to be like when I'm sober?
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You're going to be sober. How about I just spin you around 30 times? And then I'm like, can I cut your hair?
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I mean, you could also dose me. There's a lot of ways this weekend can go. Listen, Grand Ole Opry, just get ready for Karen's new fucking look.
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New look. It's going to be. It's going to be way less hair. It's going to be next level.
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Literally, because I've shaved it with the next level clippers. That was, it's funny.
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Oh, like you changed the clippers setting to next level? It's good, huh? I got it now.
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There was an easier way to go. It was a thinker, but I feel like it means you respect me because you made such a high-end joke.
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massive sci-fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone very far from Earth.
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I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary
00:23:01
as I'm narrating some of these sections. And it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo, is this indulgent?
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And I really thought about it. I was like, no, at this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the
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listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that deeply emotionally affected me.
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And I left it on the mic. That's great. Because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end.
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Da-da-da-da-da. Boo-boo-boo-bee-boo. Beep-boo-bop. I think we're ready. I think you go first.
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Yep. Karen goes first. Amazing. I think that's perfect. Because the story I'm going to do,
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and I should actually say stories, is the Power Ranger murder. Do you remember? No, I was a
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little too old and into meth at the time. See? Same here. I am old enough so that when all of the Power Ranger
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things were happening to the children, it was 93 to... I mean, 93 to fucking now, basically.
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93 was my peak meth years. Okay, well, that's when this started. Yeah, I was gone already.
00:24:52
Same here. I moved to LA in 94, and I was on those diet pills in, I think, 95. so I wouldn't have paid attention to the beginning of the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers at all.
00:25:02
Too old to begin with. Too old in every respect, except for to see little kids kicking and punching each other
00:25:08
much more than they normally did before. But that's fine with me. I love it. I love violence.
00:25:15
Always have. That's what this podcast is not about. Loving violence. But, yeah, so I was in the age where I wasn't paying attention,
00:25:25
you know wouldn't be into it anyway so i truly have no idea what the show aside from the research
00:25:34
that's been done no idea contextually about this show what it's about and it's really funny when
00:25:39
you write up a show like this that's like basically a kid's a kid's show that's completely a made-up
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universe and it's of and it's of course based on uh believe a japanese originally japanese um show
00:25:51
so everything about it is just i don't even know what anyone's talking about and it does sounds
00:25:57
like a dream it does and when you look it up and read it like off wikipedia it doesn't help
00:26:02
yeah it's like how did this pitch make it to a tv show right and they didn't have to because they
00:26:07
were like it kids already love it on the other side of the world we know they it always translates
00:26:11
over here let's do hollywood everyone's on diet pills let's make this show they won't know the
00:26:16
difference they it won't seem weird because everyone's high let's do this thing it's the
00:26:20
90s there's no websites goodbye right there's nothing to base it on there's no internet they
00:26:26
have to go with this yeah so we'll start in the early life of a guy named ricardo medina jr he
00:26:34
was born on january 24th 1979 in kern county california but you know the kern river your
00:26:40
favorite place to go on vacation okay great his family moved to downey another place i love to
00:26:45
vacay. It's so beautiful there. Downey, California, famously known for the Carpenters. Karen Carpenter
00:26:50
and her brother Richard were raised in Downey. Okay. And then of course, this guy. So he grows
00:26:58
up there with his hardworking middle class family. He's big into sports in middle school and through
00:27:04
high school. He was a wrestler. He played football. He was in street hockey and he did martial arts.
00:27:10
He also, as a kid, took up singing and acting because he wanted to, according to his IMDb profile, quote, use the attention to make a difference and be a positive role model.
00:27:22
Which I think is what most kids it's like, if you live within 250 miles of Los Angeles, you wanted to be on television.
00:27:30
Right. Probably. Or a movie star. Right. As any kid. I mean, even if you didn't, but especially if you lived in Southern California, it seemed like the opportunity was there.
00:27:40
It totally does. It's like it's actually an option. You can you're right by L.A.
00:27:43
Other famous people get where places where you. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. No, you can see the pattern.
00:27:49
You can see the path where back then. That's kind of what it took was near byness.
00:27:54
What's the word for that? Nearby proximity. Thank you. How did I do that? That was good.
00:27:59
Yeah. We are on. Our fucking brains are synced. We're doing it. our periods are we should do a podcast together um so yeah before the internet and before american
00:28:10
idol and all these things where it was like we want just anybody to come and show how everyone's
00:28:15
talented listen can we not make star search can we not be little star search right now oh i'm so
00:28:21
sorry the original the og talent show fucking do you remember star search do i we were out of four
00:28:29
stars no but i mean like we loved that was the best show i wanted to be a spokesmodel when i
00:28:34
grew up because my uh i had low self-esteem and thought it was stupid so that's all i could
00:28:39
that's all i really thought i could do like i'm going right there yeah i wanted to be remember
00:28:45
in the early versions of it when they had the acting thing and they people had to come in and
00:28:50
do scenes yeah it was so uncomfortable they'd be like cut over to a set and it'd be like a written
00:28:56
scene that two actors had to act out. Oh, God, I love that show so much. Rosie O'Donnell.
00:29:01
The comedy, stand-up comedy. Children. Children rapping. So many children rapping.
00:29:06
Children rapping. People laughing. Smile after smile from Ed McMahon. Three out of four stars.
00:29:14
There's tons of people. Three and three quarters stars. Three and three quarters stars.
00:29:18
That was a thing. My friend Karen Anderson has a really good story about being on there, but cut this because
00:29:23
I can't remember what it is. Don't cut that. Okay, go on. Something about how many stars she got.
00:29:28
She was on it? Yeah, a bunch of comics from back in the day. Oh, right. Went and auditioned for it because people were actually like, Rosie O'Donnell was on it and it got her somewhere.
00:29:40
Dude. Okay, so what are we talking about? We're talking about, oh, showbiz. So he pursues acting through his teen years and in 2002 when he 23 he lands his first major role in the Power Rangers series and it was actually Season 10 Power Rangers Wild Force Oh so it was already like an established thing It was way established
00:30:06
So it's like a big gig, probably. It's a huge gig. He gets the leading role of Cole Evans,
00:30:11
the Red Lion Wild Force Ranger, who heads the Power Rangers team. Me too. Right?
00:30:17
Probably your favorite character of the season. I mean, the only one to me. Okay, so now I'm going to go into
00:30:24
talking about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Please do. In a way that could not be more ignorant or Wikipedia-based.
00:30:31
So go with me and enjoy this as I'm sure the young children of today listening, because they know that this is like,
00:30:40
this would be like if somebody was describing Scooby-Doo to me. Yeah. Where I just don't understand any.
00:30:46
So here, I'll tell you the original Mighty Morphin Power Rangers plotline. Okay.
00:30:51
Season one, which started in 1993, in August of 1993. And apparently it says that this show essentially launched the TV network Fox Kids.
00:31:03
That's where it started. Okay. So the plot is astronauts on an exploratory mission open up an extraterrestrial canister
00:31:12
and they release several monsters led by an evil alien sorceress named Rita Repulsa.
00:31:18
that's a good name stop me if this is wrong this is your fucking jam for my 7th birthday
00:31:27
I got the original Mighty Morphin Power Ranger Megazord and I showed Karen for Halloween I dressed up
00:31:34
as the Black Ranger post your photo of you in your little Power Rangers outfit from your birthday
00:31:39
it's amazing if you have any young Power Rangers outfit photos post it on Instagram
00:31:47
Hold on a second. Well, let me explain what the Zords are first. Yes, of course.
00:31:50
Oh, my God. We have an expert in the room. But that's perfect because, first of all, birthday memories for Stephen's birthday.
00:31:56
Yesterday. Yesterday. But also then we have someone here that can actually, you're going to now be the go-to when there's actually questions.
00:32:04
Because all of this is like I'm reading a translated thing. Okay. So, Rita Propulsa.
00:32:11
Now free, Rita and her monsters plan to take over Earth. the wise sage Zordon from planet Eltar
00:32:18
summons five teenagers to his planet and he gives them each the ability to perform, to transform
00:32:23
into the Power Rangers. This gives them special powers that will help them fight
00:32:27
off Rita and her goons. Each Power Ranger has a Zord, which is basically a dinosaur.
00:32:34
Uh-oh! Overlapping! It was like the perfect thing. It was Jurassic Park and Power Rangers were my two favorite things as a kid.
00:32:41
Now, Power Rangers was before Jurassic Park, right? Yeah, they started like around the same time.
00:32:47
Okay. And yeah, this story takes place after my, but this origin story was my Power Rangers.
00:32:54
Okay. Yeah. Can you just describe what a Zord looks like? Sure. The original Zords, there was a T-Rex, there was a saber-toothed cat, there was a Triceratops,
00:33:04
there was a Pteranodon. Listen to his voice. And then there was a mammoth. So they were like the Transformer characters.
00:33:10
Yeah, they were basically robots, and then all the main kids controlled it, and they
00:33:16
became one giant robot that fought guys in almost Godzilla suit-type monsters and stuff.
00:33:21
So it's like Paw Patrol, but they turned into fucking... No idea what that is. Okay.
00:33:25
I have a young nephew, and that's why I know what that is. Oh, it's today? It's today.
00:33:29
Okay. Okay. Okay. I think I get it. I don't at all, because it's basically... You're saying dinosaurs turned into robots.
00:33:36
They were robot dinosaurs. Oh, okay. They were never, they never had scales. No, no.
00:33:41
Got it. So each Power Ranger has a Zord and then they're assigned to them. They can invoke when they want to power up and then all the Zords can join together to
00:33:50
form, of course, a Megazord. Oh, sure. And what? The Megazord fights other? Other like monsters that Rita Repulsa would like summon and they would like destroy Angel
00:34:01
Grove, which was the city. I hate it. I'm feeling so nerdy right now. Please. We love it.
00:34:06
It's great. Now, let me ask a question. This is your birthday present, by the way.
00:34:09
Wasn't there some, the fact that we're letting you talk about it? We didn't get you anything else.
00:34:15
This is our chance of being like, now we're the older sisters. You know when the Power Rangers would like strike those poses?
00:34:22
Yeah. Did that have something to do with calling the Zords up or getting it all together?
00:34:26
Yeah, they basically would like summon, it would like summon the robots to come out,
00:34:31
like the, to like come from wherever they were. And it was like, then they would be like in their, you know, just kids.
00:34:38
and then they would like the costume would like come over them and they would it was like a it was
00:34:42
like a telephone booth for superman yeah exactly but they were just was it a gesture did they yell
00:34:47
something it's morphin time oh my god and now did anyone ever mistake that for it's muffin time and
00:34:55
serve them banana chocolate chip muffins accidentally the kids they gotta eat healthy
00:34:59
it's morphin time wow okay so that's the baseline did you know any of that no great i didn't either
00:35:08
I'll just skip to Power Rangers Wild Force, which was the season that he was on.
00:35:13
This is now season 10. There were 26 seasons altogether. Holy shit. Each year had 60 episodes.
00:35:21
Oh, my God. And it just went from 93 on till 2019. It's still going. Are you serious?
00:35:27
I swear to God. It's just on a different channel now, I believe. But, like, they've never stopped.
00:35:31
They just keep. So it was Mighty Morphin Power Rangers for the first couple seasons.
00:35:35
And then it changed. And, like, for example, so it's Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Season 1, Season 2, Season 3.
00:35:42
Season 3.5, Mighty Morphin Alien Rangers. What? Season 4 is Power Rangers Zeo, which has to do with the Zeo crystal being restored.
00:35:52
Resort? Resort. This is not to you about Power Rangers Season 5 is Power Rangers Turbo Season 6 is Power Rangers in space Seven is where were they if they weren in space before
00:36:05
They were on fake Earth. Was it fake Earth? Well, it was. Yeah, I think like Angel Grove was just a fake.
00:36:11
It was supposed to be, I guess, Burbank or whatever. Studio. A lot on Burbank. Yeah, they're just like a Grips daughter that can also change into a dinosaur robot or whatever the fuck.
00:36:21
Season seven is Power Rangers Lost Galaxy. So every after that, it just kept on changing.
00:36:27
Season 10 was Cole Evans, who was Medina's character. He's a boy living with a tribe in a jungle outside the fictitious town of Turtle Cover.
00:36:36
Does that ring a bell? Steven was out by season 10, trying to find his, quote, destiny.
00:36:42
And then one day he stumbles upon the Anamerium, a floating island where wild zords roam free.
00:36:48
And there he meets his new mentor, Princess Shaila or Shayla. Essentially filling the role of Zordon from the original series.
00:36:57
I don't remember that person. Shayla gives him and four other Rangers their metamorphosis powers.
00:37:02
And the new Power Ranger team must use their new abilities to defeat the evil orgs.
00:37:07
A team of monsters headed by the master org. Describe my face right now. Zorja is bored and angry.
00:37:14
No, that's the bot. The angry is the Botox. he's so basically Ricardo Medina Jr.
00:37:20
is on season 10 of the Power Rangers for that season only that season and that's it
00:37:25
oh that sucks yeah especially because the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers are on the list
00:37:32
of highest grossing media franchises they in their 26 seasons and then the additional movies
00:37:40
merch everything yeah I bet 16 billion in retail sales 13 billion in merch March 218 million in box office.
00:37:50
Oh, my goodness. So it's quite it's quite the franchise. Yeah, but I bet the actors made little to none of that.
00:37:57
Probably. And especially because it sounds like they probably just first of all, they all had masks on when when they were the Rangers.
00:38:04
Right. So they didn't need to. Well, so the actual show was that they the fight scenes were actually footage from the original Japanese show.
00:38:13
Yes. So all they did was just take the scenes with the cool teens in the 90s. That was all original here.
00:38:19
And then they just reused all the fight scenes to save money. That's genius. That's so genius.
00:38:23
Right? So they showed their actual faces. Yes. As the teens. If you were an actor on it, you were an actor on it.
00:38:28
Yeah, but then once the fights and they were in the outfits and the zords, all that was just footage from Japan.
00:38:32
And it was a lot of that, right? Posing and kind of like a lot of cheerleader arms.
00:38:37
Yes. I think it's called kung fu. I don't think it's called a cheerleader. It's not.
00:38:42
I think Bruce Lee would have an issue with you calling it cheerleader. I feel like everything is centered and based in cheerleading.
00:38:48
And then from there, it's Kung Fu got the idea from cheerleading. Dragon Ball Z originated in cheerleading.
00:38:54
It's just cheerleading. Okay, so after Wild Force ends, Ricardo, he's on CSI in a one-off role.
00:39:03
He gets a part in ER. In 2005, he gets a spot as a contestant on the VH1 reality show Kept.
00:39:11
Do you remember this one? absolutely not jerry hall former model used to be married to mick jagger yes she tries to turn
00:39:18
american boys into refined british gentlemen no that was a reality show they were just giving
00:39:24
him away at that point youngins yes seriously i mean they were they were just like people want
00:39:29
to watch this stuff make up to take two disparate things two things that are the opposite put them
00:39:35
on a show call vh1 we're all set um so he got eliminated in the fifth round which isn't terrible
00:39:42
um but then uh six years later his luck turns around because he goes back to his power ranger
00:39:50
roots and he gets the part of the villain decker in seasons 18 and 19 of power ranger samurai and
00:39:59
Power Rangers, super samurai. Right? That all ends in 2012. Okay. So, in 2011, a 32-year-old...
00:40:10
So, now we're... Like, that's basically the background on Ricardo Medina Jr. In 2011, a 32-year-old man named Josh Sutter moves to L.A. to help his sister Rachel open a business that places rescue dogs with new homes.
00:40:24
And it's called Lucky Puppy. So they rent a house in Green Valley, which is just west of Palmdale.
00:40:31
And they, Josh lives in the house and they keep the dogs, the rescued dogs. They keep, they board them and care for them in this house.
00:40:39
And the eventual goal is to turn this property into a dog paradise where all the dogs that aren't placed in homes can live a happy, healthy life.
00:40:48
That's amazing. Yeah. So they're basically they're selling rescue dogs to people and then taking the money and putting it back into trying to develop this like a farm where dogs can live.
00:40:56
Yeah. Which who wouldn't want to live there? That's like if you can retire and do anything. Mine has cats instead of dogs, but whatever.
00:41:04
Yeah. It's just what you like. While he's working there, Josh meets a co-worker named Sandra Vasquez. They fall in love with each other.
00:41:10
So Sandra says she fell in love with Josh's warm heart and even killed nature. In late 2014, Rachel and Josh hire Ricardo Medina.
00:41:20
So this is basically two years after all of his TV stuff has dried up. And he gets a job there helping care for the dogs.
00:41:29
And then they also let him live in the house with Josh. Ouch, that's got to hurt after you're trying to be an actor for fucking years and years.
00:41:38
Yes. and you're on a show that is ostensibly a humongous hit. Right, you're on a successful show.
00:41:46
Yeah, you've been a part and I'm sure kids recognize him. There's an element to it where he did get a touch of fame
00:41:54
in the kind of way that it sounds like is just enough to get a little bit fucked up Yeah Or maybe buy exactly the wrong amount of drugs which is what happened to me
00:42:06
So no judgment. You mean right now? It's happening now. I meant to tell you. I'm on so much crank right now.
00:42:12
I can't believe it. So they hire Ricardo. He starts working there. He moves into the house.
00:42:17
Everything at first is great. But then Josh and Ricardo start arguing a lot. and everything starts to deteriorate.
00:42:26
And at one point, Ricardo threatens to release all of the dogs into the wild. No, don't do that.
00:42:32
That's not cool at all. So on the night of January 31st, 2015, Ricardo has his girlfriend over to the house.
00:42:40
And according to him, Josh had told him he didn't want him bringing his girlfriend to the house,
00:42:46
but he ignored him and invited her over anyway. This is how bad it is. And like, it would be very interesting
00:42:53
to know the real details behind this, but we probably never will in any meaningful way.
00:42:59
But essentially, Josh comes home and Ricardo's girlfriend's parked in their driveway.
00:43:04
Her car, obviously. Josh comes home. Ricardo's girlfriend's car is parked in the driveway.
00:43:10
It's like blocking things or something. Dude, I fucking dealt with that shit. Right?
00:43:14
Where you're like, you don't even want her there. And then it's like, and then she's just gumming up the works and you come in.
00:43:18
Come in hot. There's nothing worse than not liking your roommate. Absolutely. It's a nightmare.
00:43:24
So, and this is only two months after he started working and living there. Two months.
00:43:29
So it wasn't good from the get-go. Yeah. And clearly building. Josh comes in pissed.
00:43:34
He confronts Ricardo in the kitchen. They get into a screaming match. And it escalates into a physical fight.
00:43:42
So this is now all according to Ricardo. He says that Josh's violent outburst scared him badly enough that he and his girlfriend ran and hid in Ricardo's bedroom.
00:43:53
Josh, however, says this fight isn't over and goes and kicks down the bedroom door and charges Ricardo.
00:44:01
And Ricardo just grabs what's ever closest, which is a Conan the Barbarian style sword.
00:44:06
Oh, my God. Oh, like a blade. Yes. Like a big, thick, heavy sword. Holy. That he constantly held over his head for no reason.
00:44:14
What a fucking coincidence that it's the closest thing to you. And not like your Garfield fucking penny jar or whatever.
00:44:21
Yes. What do they call it? Oh, like a piggy bank? Piggy bank. I thought you meant, did you see that story about the Garfield phones washing up on the,
00:44:30
it's my favorite thing. I was just talking about it over the weekend. So good. Even though it's garbage.
00:44:36
Look it up. Yeah, look up those haunting, and it's like in France or somewhere where I'm sure they're
00:44:41
just like, what is this cat? I don't understand. Okay. Okay. So essentially, he claims that in self-defense, he stabbed Josh in the abdomen with his Conan the Barbarian style sword 10 times.
00:45:00
10 times. No, that's not how you defend yourself. No. But then he calls 911 and stays at the scene. So when the authorities arrive, Josh is taken to the hospital. He's pronounced dead on arrival.
00:45:13
Of course, he's been stabbed 10 times with the barbarian style. I mean, him staying there and calling 911 tells a difference, like, is like, oh, well, that's not murderous.
00:45:23
Yes, like, we have to hear what's happened here. It's like, suddenly, it's his narrative that's kind of running the show.
00:45:30
So, the police don't arrest Ricardo. They hold him on a million dollars bail. They don't formally charge him with any crime because they have to go.
00:45:38
he's claiming self-defense and they realize they have to further conduct an investigation
00:45:44
before they can charge him. They don't have enough evidence to hold him, so he's released on February 3rd,
00:45:50
2015. And after his release, he makes a brief public statement saying, I want to say I'm
00:45:56
very, very, very sorry for what occurred. I'm very happy to be out of jail and my heart goes out to the Sutter
00:46:02
family. Thank you. There's so many little, I want someone who's good at dissecting shit to dissect that.
00:46:08
Yeah. I want to say, just say it. Yeah. You'd want to, but you don't. Yeah. I'm happy to be out of jail.
00:46:16
Don't fucking say that. It's not about you. That's unnecessary. Right. It's like saying I'm happy I won this or something.
00:46:23
Right. It's not. Yeah. It doesn't seem like anybody went over this statement with him before he presented it.
00:46:28
I mean, every single line of that has wrongness in it. I want to say. I want to say I'm very, very, very sorry.
00:46:35
You're not saying it. It's the I'm sorry you're upset about that. I'm sorry you're upset.
00:46:39
Too bad you're so sensitive. Janet! So, Janet and Karen. According to Josh's autopsy, he'd been stabbed a total of ten times,
00:46:52
and he also had stab wounds on his hands, indicating he was trying to defend himself during the attack.
00:46:58
And Josh's sister and his girlfriend do not buy Ricardo's self-defense story because they've only ever known Josh to be a calm, rational animal lover who would not hurt a fly.
00:47:10
Which obviously, since his whole life was devoted to that, you know what I mean?
00:47:15
It's not like that's just kind of like people. Well, I mean, I don't think it's true with this guy, but you can be nice to animals and a fucking monster still.
00:47:22
But if your sister and girlfriend say that you have never been angry or violent,
00:47:28
like one of them at least would know if you have had an anger problem in the past.
00:47:31
Yes, true. And usually if you are a sociopath, when you don't have empathy or a conscience, animals are the first to go.
00:47:43
That's when you start – you don't see animals as living creatures with feelings or anything like that.
00:47:49
It's just like, oh, what's this? So it doesn't – but you're exactly right. I mean, you might not be that extreme and you just fucking hate people.
00:47:56
Yes, true. That's very true. Anyway. Okay. His girlfriend also points out that Ricardo stabbed Josh multiple times.
00:48:05
So that idea of self-defense is crazy that clearly, and quote, this is what she said, quote, to continually stab someone over and over again.
00:48:14
That's not a split decision, a split second decision. That's a killer. and minutes before the argument that led to his death josh was on the phone with his father
00:48:23
donald discussing the best new ways to grow organic vegetables on the property so he could
00:48:29
use them to feed the dogs and of course the father backs up rachel and sandra's characterization of
00:48:35
josh saying there's not a mean bone in his body i feel like yeah here's what self-defense is for
00:48:41
real plunge the knife in leave it there oh my god freak out freak out yeah call 9-1-1 apologize
00:48:47
cry the whole thing yeah yes um i mean don't do that everyone well however yeah that's what that
00:48:54
is that's what that is and clearly if anybody there is that it's that frustrating thing if
00:49:00
someone's dead and the other person killed them and is the only one there to tell the story
00:49:05
we don't know why that door was broken down he can say josh broke it down or he can have
00:49:11
um opened the door stabbed josh and then kick the door down himself like any number of josh
00:49:16
Wait, so was Ricardo's girlfriend there too? She was. She was in the room with him.
00:49:20
So what's her story? I mean, there's nothing quoted as her saying. So I'm sure she just backed up his story.
00:49:27
Yeah, maybe. I would imagine. Yeah. And I'm not saying that like he wasn't mad or he, who knows?
00:49:33
He simply don't, except for there's so much said in 10 stab wounds, as we're saying.
00:49:39
That's just, it's overkill, insanely violent. And stabbing someone one time is so disturbing.
00:49:46
Right. taking the knife out and putting it back in sword conan sword a conan the barbarian style sword
00:49:52
heavy huge i'm sure inflicted insane amounts of damage okay so the investigation goes on for a
00:50:00
full year before police have enough evidence to charge him so on january 14 2016 ricardo is
00:50:07
arrested again on first a first degree murder charge um so he's in jail back in jail he faces
00:50:14
a life sentence um uh and his attorney strikes a plea bargain with the court and on march 16 2017
00:50:22
ricardo pleads guilty to voluntary manslaughter which is while still a felony a lesser crime
00:50:28
that carries a far less severe punishment a maximum sentence of six years what no can we
00:50:34
let's raise that everyone uh on march 30th 2017 ricardo is finally sentenced to the maximum amount
00:50:40
of time, six years. And he continues to serve that sentence to this day and will be released
00:50:46
in 2023. So Ricardo Medina has an agent that described him as a trusted friend who had never
00:50:53
exhibited a violent streak. And he said that he did not have a criminal history prior to the arrest.
00:51:01
And he said, quote, I've known Rick for years. He really is one of the most peaceful guys.
00:51:06
he was thrilled and loved being a power ranger he rescued and trained a wonderful german shepherd
00:51:11
and he was a client and a friend and he said it's still very difficult this agent says it's still
00:51:16
very difficult for me to believe that this was anything but self-defense yeah who knows i mean
00:51:22
what if the story is true then it's like well he you know yeah he's he's fucked because he's the
00:51:28
only one who can tell it i you know i i know it's and it's really vague and i looked back
00:51:33
because I was thinking so here's at this part I was like I thought there was drugs involved in
00:51:38
this or I thought there was something a little more sinister involved I didn't think it was this
00:51:42
gray uh you know this kind of like basically clearly to me it seems like the cops couldn't
00:51:48
prove anything more than that manslaughter charge obviously there just was no evidence
00:51:53
of anything else yeah then I realized that was because there's another Power Ranger murder
00:51:58
and so that's what I was that's what I was just looking at because I put in Power Ranger murder drugs
00:52:07
a different Power Ranger murder came up and so this but this is and the reason it didn't come up first
00:52:15
and foremost is because this is a non-speaking Power Ranger murder from 2004 it counts it fucking counts
00:52:23
it counts if you got onto that screen the word power and ranger are in it Mighty, maybe Morphin.
00:52:29
Maybe they morph. Maybe they don't. But this guy was essentially an extra on the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.
00:52:36
Fair enough. And so this is a story, and you probably know this one. I fucking don't.
00:52:41
A man named Tom Hawks, who was 57 years old, and his wife Jackie, who was 47. Oh, yeah.
00:52:47
The boat? Yeah. Yes. So they're from Prescott, Arizona. And they had been sailing around the world on their 55-foot yacht, The Well-Deserved,
00:52:57
which is such an amazing name for a yacht. They had used it. They had done all this stuff with it.
00:53:03
But then I think a family member was having a baby and they wanted to be back in Southern California to be nearby for the family.
00:53:12
So they put an ad out selling the well-deserved, putting this well-deserved up for sale for $440,000.
00:53:20
Yacht money, baby. Wow. That is yacht money. Let's get yachts. I get seasick I'm going to pass
00:53:29
I'm scared of the open ocean I'll be at the restaurant that overlooks the ocean waving at you
00:53:34
Good job Karen I'm going to be out Cut to me, the yacht is sunk and surrounded by sharks
00:53:40
Can someone save Karen? Someone get down there I just ordered a Mai Tai I would do it and I do want to do it
00:53:48
On November 15, 2004 Tom and Jackie are taking out the well deserved for a test run for their prospective buyer 29 Skyler DeLeon and a couple of his friends So when he first responded to their ad about selling this yacht they didn trust him
00:54:06
But he showed up with his wife and brand new baby and their older son. So then they realized,
00:54:15
oh, this is just a young family. And they have this interest and they have the money and, you
00:54:19
know, they're being judgmental or whatever. So they actually end up striking up a bit of a
00:54:24
relationship and then basically Skylar comes back and goes I want to take the yacht for a test run
00:54:29
oh and also I'm going to bring a couple of my friends if that's cool with you and yeah and the
00:54:34
hawks were like sure that's okay we trust him now yeah our hackles are down yes cackles they all go
00:54:43
out for a test run out of Newport Harbor and they're out on the open ocean and that is when
00:54:48
the three men overpower the couple, force them to sign the boat's ownership over to
00:54:54
them. What the fuck? Handcuff them to the anchor, fucking throw them overboard and drown them intentionally.
00:55:03
Oh my God. The Hawks' bodies were never recovered. Oh, what is wrong with this world?
00:55:09
Yes. So that was November 15th. So basically- 2004? 2004. Yeah. So basically how it happened for like the family was they went out for they went out for this test run.
00:55:25
The yacht comes back, but they don't come back. Yeah. So they don't really know what's going on.
00:55:29
And then 10 days later, someone tries to access their bank account from Mexico. Holy shit.
00:55:38
And so that's when the family's notified by the bank. The bank goes straight to the police.
00:55:42
And I was like, we're not sure what's happening here, but like this needs to get investigated.
00:55:45
And of course, the second the police start investigating, all roads lead back to Skylar DeLeon, the non-speaking Power Ranger, who actually he wasn't a Power Ranger.
00:55:56
He was just an extra in an episode of the Power Rangers, which is why this is not the foremost Power Ranger murder.
00:56:02
But it did happen before. Okay. So essentially, the plan was that they were stealing this boat.
00:56:11
so basically Skyler Jaliron tells the police like oh no I gave them the money and I got the boat I
00:56:18
don't know what happened to that it was like it was a normal transaction yeah goodbye standard yacht
00:56:22
buying you know how I always do and then you look at his mugshot and you're like that guy would never
00:56:26
be in the market for a fucking yacht yeah sorry no offense to your goatee but no one fucking buys
00:56:31
it for real it's like you're no but his hair is spiked up with a ton of gel same thing yeah it's a
00:56:37
It's an indicator. It's an Orange County. It's an Orange County. It's how they do.
00:56:43
So essentially, they trace it all back, of course, find all the evidence. Schuyler DeLeon is convicted of the murders and given a death sentence.
00:56:52
And his wife is given two life sentences without the possibility of parole. Yes.
00:56:58
Then they find out that also DeLeon is charged with scamming $50,000 from and then slitting the throat of 45-year-old John Jarvie of Anaheim,
00:57:07
California, whose body was found near a roadway in Ensenada on December 27, 2003.
00:57:14
So basically, once they start like uncovering what's happening with the Hawkses, then they
00:57:19
realize that he's done this before. And that this is the basically they were they were trying to collect and scam people to
00:57:26
get money so they could launder their drug money. And it's it's kind of lame because then there's an article about how De Leon's attorney at
00:57:35
the start of the trial said Skyler is guilty of all three murders. But at the end of this,
00:57:39
I'm going to ask you to give him a life sentence without the possibility of parole as the appropriate sentence.
00:57:45
And then goes into this whole thing of what a difficult life he's had. His dad was a drug dealer and abused him and all that stuff where it's just
00:57:51
like, and clearly the jury is just like too bad. Like I was abused and I've never killed anybody.
00:57:57
Yeah, exactly. That was the lesser one that I found right at the end before I went to do
00:58:02
the other one. And this is the very involved. and very confusing and foreign to me.
00:58:11
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers murders. But also very informative. And now I know everything about the Power Rangers.
00:58:15
So thank you. Absolutely. My pleasure. Great. Thank you. That was a fucking solid pick.
00:58:22
Thank you so much. I'm envious and yet happy for you. Honestly, the second one I found 11 minutes before you showed up.
00:58:31
Is that when you started laughing? Yes. Because we were sitting across from each other finishing our murders.
00:58:34
And I heard you start laughing. And then I was just like, oh, man, how do I do this and like tell it quickly and actually know what I'm talking about?
00:58:42
So I've actually seen and I'm sure you have. There's definitely at least one 20, 20 or 48 hours or something about the Hawks's murder.
00:58:51
And you should definitely look into it because it's I mean, the whole thing is really, really gross, obviously.
00:58:57
And really, it's that thing of to launder drug money. They killed, they terribly murdered that couple to launder drug money.
00:59:05
It's just this world that makes me want to leave, not leave the house. Yeah. It's so terrible and inhumane, but it's just, you know, don't trust anybody.
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01:01:38
This is just my favorite Power Rangers related piece of media. You got to have one.
01:01:45
Right? Which is a picture I found on Tumblr. I still believe in Tumblr, even though all the porn's been banned.
01:01:52
It's never about porn, man. No, it's about love and making love. Yeah. Bad cookbook photos from the 60s.
01:01:59
Yes. And awesome, hilarious family photos that then become legend because they're real.
01:02:06
One of which is this legendary picture of the pink Mighty Morphin Power Ranger kicking her grandpa in the face.
01:02:12
That is classic. Isn't that the best? It's beautiful. Oh, my God. Everything about, and he's clearly just playing along with her being a Power Ranger.
01:02:23
We had that couch in the 80s. I know. He's so cute. I love this. It's a, I want a shirt of this.
01:02:29
It's a grand image. Grand. Okay, sorry. I will send this to you, Stephen. So this is a murder that turns out is one of my top hometown murders that I completely forgot about.
01:02:42
I love it. so I'm always like I don't have any good ones or I've done all the good ones and then I was on the
01:02:47
phone with my mom the other night there was wine happening for both of us I think and we were
01:02:54
talking about murder as you do and she reminded me of this one and I and I was in I was 11 years
01:03:00
old at the time so I she must have shielded me from it somehow but I've seen forensic files about
01:03:05
it I must have just fucking blanked on this but it's totally like happened next door to Irvine
01:03:10
where I grew up in Orange County. Amazing. This is the murder of Denise Huber, a.k.a. the cold storage killer.
01:03:18
Don't know this. I'm sure you will. I'm sure you've seen this forensic files before.
01:03:23
And this is the fucking weirdest part. It takes place in Newport Beach and Prescott, Arizona.
01:03:29
Whoa. Just like your fucking story. That's right. And involves a fucking asshole
01:03:33
who tries to use his shitty childhood as an excuse for killing someone. I feel like it happens so much.
01:03:39
It does. so buckle the fuck up yeah because here we go um i got a lot of info from a ranker article by phil
01:03:45
gibbons the forensic files it's called frozen in time yes of course and um there's also a book
01:03:51
about this called cold storage by john lassiter so you're on lassiter the guy from pixar don lassiter
01:03:58
yikes so glad you know who the pixar head is because i don't all right he might not be anymore
01:04:07
I think there's some problems. Okay, anyway, we won't get into it. Show us your taxes.
01:04:11
Pay your taxes. Similar but sexual. Great. What's not sexual about taxes? I mean, it's one of the sexier things.
01:04:18
That's why we love accountants so much. That's right. We talk about how sexy and exciting accountants are all the time.
01:04:24
Loosen that tie. That's me rewriting history because we've shat on accountants so many times.
01:04:30
That's right. Okay. And dentists. Okay. In June 1991, here we are in Orange County.
01:04:37
I'm 11. It doesn't matter. I'm not part of this. I'm 21 in Sacramento. And on my 21st birthday, drank at a bar that was a biker bar.
01:04:48
And at the end of the night, walked out the door and said, as I said, I don't think I'm that drunk, tripped on my own sandal and fell straight flat onto the ground.
01:04:56
Now. It's your stucco wall story. But mine. The sidewalk snuck up on me. That's right.
01:05:02
On my face. Okay. And it was all uphill from there. Yes, it was. So 23-year-old Denise Huber, she's bright.
01:05:11
It's a fucking, it's a tale that we've heard a million times. She's bright, friendly, young woman.
01:05:17
She's fucking got her world ahead of her. She graduated from the University of California, Irvine.
01:05:23
Oh, yeah. Which is my fucking town with a degree in social sciences. And she was just starting her life as a grown up.
01:05:29
So, of course, she lives at home with her lovely parents, Dennis and Ioni Huber.
01:05:34
They live in Newport Beach, California. which is an upscale city in Orange County and she works part-time two different jobs so she
01:05:43
can afford to move out someday she's a waitress and a sales assistant at Bloomingdale's Bloomies
01:05:50
and she's saving up to afford her own place and also until she could get a job in the field she
01:05:54
wanted to work in so she loves traveling reading water skiing she probably would have contributed a lot to society and was a wonderful fucking person Beautiful of course blue
01:06:06
brunette. Her whole fucking life ahead of her. She also loved music. So on the night of Sunday,
01:06:12
June 2nd, 1991, Denise picks up a friend from Huntington Beach and together they drove to the
01:06:18
Los Angeles Forum in Inglewood. We know that place. Is that the place for, what's the roller
01:06:23
skating movie they film it there what's the roller skating movie just roller skating you mean xanadu
01:06:30
yes oh that was filmed at the forum yeah i didn't know that yeah i've never been outside of it oh
01:06:37
i saw a couple of bands there okay i saw a couple of bands anyways uh they go to the forum it's about
01:06:43
45 minutes away from from orange county and uh they go to see morrissey oh i know heartbreaking
01:06:51
They drink in the parking lot. They're like us. They drink in the fucking parking lot because they don't have a ton of money.
01:06:56
They share a beer inside because they don't have a ton of money. And they go to a bar on the way back.
01:07:00
And around 2 a.m., Denise drops her friend back off at his house. And she starts her short drive home.
01:07:07
It's from Huntington Beach to Orange County. It's like not even 10 minutes. So shortly after 2 a.m., just minutes from her parents' house and her off-ramp,
01:07:15
Her car blew a tire on the southbound lane to the 73, which is the Corona Del Mar freeway.
01:07:21
It's like a really small little connector freeway. Denise pulls over to the side of the freeway.
01:07:27
The area is well lit. It's in view of several emergency call boxes that she could have easily walked to.
01:07:34
And just off the freeway, as a residential neighborhood, there's a gas station she could have easily walked to to call for help.
01:07:41
Of course, we didn't have cell phones then. So that's the only way to get help. um but denise vanishes the next morning denise's parents worry that their daughter hadn't come home
01:07:52
of course the night before call her friends no one's seen her uh her best friend tammy was like
01:07:57
i can't just fucking sit around so that later that night she just is like i'm gonna drive around and
01:08:01
see if i can find her car oh i know and also this is starting to sound familiar i know you know this
01:08:07
one okay poor fucking tammy she finds uh denise's silver blue honda on the freeway pulled over with
01:08:15
a flat tire where denise left it about 10 p.m that night she finds it um the car is unlocked
01:08:22
its battery is drained from the emergency blinkers having gone on all night and all day her keys are
01:08:29
gone and her purse is missing there's no signs of blood no signs of foul play or any other damage to
01:08:35
the car and also the flat tire doesn't seem like it was tampered with it seems like she actually
01:08:39
got a flat tire okay so police arrive and they don't have a shit ton to work with they just have
01:08:45
an empty car police dogs quickly lose her trail and uh luckily and we don't hear this a lot they
01:08:51
believed her parents when her parents said she's not someone who just would have fucking left with
01:08:55
someone yay you know so detectives conduct interviews with everyone in lisa's life her
01:09:01
boyfriend the dude she went to the morrissey concert with people she fucking met at the bar
01:09:04
like all of that shit. And they can't come up with any answers to what had happened to Denise.
01:09:10
She just fucking vanished into thin air. So grasping for any break in the case, they did this crazy thing where they staked out the freeway where her car went
01:09:18
missing, took pictures of the license plates. And this is before the internet and shit.
01:09:23
Yeah. Ran those plates with the DMVs and sent those people letters saying, were you on this freeway that night?
01:09:29
Did you see anything? Wow. I know. That's a great, some kind of strategy. Yeah. I mean, like, at least they're doing something.
01:09:36
Totally. That they come up with fucking nothing. Right. Unfortunately. Yeah. So Denise's family, they're obviously frantic and kind of Orange County.
01:09:44
And this is what my mom was telling me, that she remembers the bumper stickers and the fucking billboard and just people being so worried about this really normal girl who just vanished out of thin air.
01:09:56
Yeah. They put up a six by 30 foot banner on the side of an apartment building. Like, you know, the kind that say if you'd be home, you'd be home now if you lived here.
01:10:02
Yeah. It's that overlooking the spot where her car had been found reading, have you seen Denise?
01:10:08
And it has her photo and all this stuff with the phone number for the Costa Mesa Police Department.
01:10:13
But, you know, nothing comes up. Even psychics are like, we don't know. Her father covers his car with those photos.
01:10:22
He says, every time I saw a girl with long brown hair, I'd go back and I had to see her face and make sure it wasn't Denise.
01:10:29
Of course. His poor parents were just frantic. Yeah. And despite all their efforts in the whole fucking community, including my mom, rallying around trying to find Denise, the trail went cold.
01:10:40
Yeah. So, cut to three years later, 1994, when 40-something-year-old Elaine Conalia, she owns a paint manufacturing company with her husband in Phoenix, Arizona.
01:10:52
Okay. So, she's this fucking kind of cool woman, and she meets a man selling paint at a swap meet in Prescott Valley, Arizona.
01:11:01
What the fuck, right? That's really weird. So weird. Yeah. So the man's a 30-something-year-old gaunt bearded dude named John.
01:11:08
He just looks like your average creep. Your average 90s creep. There's so many dudes right now that just have a single tear rolling down their cheeks.
01:11:19
Who isn't gaunt with a beard in 2019? Yeah, that's true. Stephen. Stephen's not gaunt.
01:11:27
We take it all back. he looks like Ted Kaczynski's son and maybe a little Italian too
01:11:36
so it's like that kind of gaunt the like you've been living in a forest with gaunt
01:11:41
so Elaine meets this dude named John and according to Elaine he's personable, seems intelligent
01:11:48
articulate, he's this fucking normal dude and they met at the swap meet where Elaine and her husband
01:11:54
sold paint sometimes and this guy John sold paint as well so John They met him a couple times.
01:12:01
He tells them he had been a painting contractor in California and moved to Arizona for a fresh start.
01:12:06
And that business hadn't been as good as he'd hoped. So he wanted to sell his surplus paint.
01:12:12
And his house was nearby. Did Elaine and her husband want to come buy it? And they were like, great, let's do it.
01:12:18
So they get in their car and they follow John to his home, which ends up, you know, he's this grubby dude and ends up being this like exclusive country club area, like luxury custom homes, like golf course.
01:12:30
area. Whoa, nice house, whatever. John leads them to get to this house, John leads them to this
01:12:36
around the side of the house, there's a driveway at the end of a wooded fence. And there among all
01:12:41
these insane amount of paint cans that they go to buy, Elaine sees a 24 foot GMC rider rental
01:12:49
moving van that had been backed into the pad, and was partially covered by a canvas tarp.
01:12:56
Does you remember this? It's starting to seem familiar. Yes. There's like, and okay.
01:13:02
So I wrote to Elaine's cautious eye. It was also covered in a million red flags.
01:13:06
Yes. I already love Elaine so much. Elaine is nosy as fuck and doesn't mind her own business.
01:13:12
And I love her. Hell yes, Elaine. Do it, Elaine. And to all the Alaynes of the world, we salute you.
01:13:18
That's right. My aunt Elaine, what's up? So she notes that in her mind, she's like calculating some shit.
01:13:25
And she's like, the truck, I could tell it had been sitting there for some time.
01:13:29
It was yellowing and dusty. She said she felt the hairs on the back of her neck stand up at the side of the truck
01:13:35
because it just seemed so out of place and odd, which is the reason I mentioned that it's a rich community.
01:13:39
It's just like, what is this weird truck doing here? Right. The truck had California plates.
01:13:44
And so assuming the truck had been stolen, Elaine, the busy body that she is and should be,
01:13:50
she writes down the license plate number, the rental company's serial number. Bless her.
01:13:54
And everyone, this is like a U-Haul, like a U-Haul truck that you'd rent for like moving your small apartment, let's say.
01:14:00
Yeah. Right. But it's a writer. So it's like bright fucking yellow. Yes. So she writes it down, takes it with her.
01:14:07
They buy the paint. This guy's creepy. They get the fuck out of there. She kind of forgets about it until a couple days later when a friend visits their warehouse to purchase some paint.
01:14:17
And he happens to be a detective. Oh. Yes. Okay. And Elaine tells Detective Stephen Gregory of the Phoenix PD about the strange truck she had seen in the Prescott County Club tract and gave him the license number along with the serial number.
01:14:33
And she's like, why don't you check this out? I bet you anything it's stolen. So he, Detective Gregory, calls Ryder and is like, yo, do you have any trucks that have been stolen from California?
01:14:44
Here's the number. The representative is like, I don't see anything in my system.
01:14:48
And Detective Gregory was like, how about you fucking double check? thank god really turns out he's a great detective yeah just for that simple reason
01:14:55
so shortly after the rep calls back and was like oh shit you know what it's been missing from
01:15:01
orange county for six months whoa yeah so no one at writer had ever contacted the police about it
01:15:07
even though they knew it was missing so it probably would have stayed missing if it weren't for
01:15:12
elaine yes having been like you know what i don't like it it makes me feel because here's the thing
01:15:18
know she got a gut reaction yeah she trusted her intuition your hair the hair on the back of your
01:15:23
neck stands up for a reason that's right and when you honor that yeah and follow it i think you prove
01:15:29
it will be proven that you're right and even if you're wrong no harm who cares there's no harm
01:15:35
yeah you didn't do anything you just want to check something you're just being nosy it's fine it's
01:15:40
fine don't mind your own business that's when people get fucking hurt that's right stop being
01:15:44
so goddamn selfish, Elaine. No, Elaine's good. No, I mean, not Elaine. Okay, so the rental company
01:15:52
then reports the vehicle stolen to the Orange County Sheriff's Department so that the truck can now be searched.
01:15:58
Nice. So they're like, great, let's fucking do this. So on the morning of July 13th, 1994,
01:16:03
like right after they find out that it's been stolen, they just fucking get up in there.
01:16:08
Deputy Joe DiGiacoma goes to the house, checks out the rider truck, And then he's like, this is fucking weird.
01:16:15
There's a thick electrical extension cord that's coming from the locked back door, you know, that slides down all heavy.
01:16:23
Yeah. There's an extension cord coming from that locked back door. It goes over the fence and into the neighbor's yard and like is plugged in there.
01:16:31
What? Right. And he's like, oh, great. This is a fucking meth lab. Oh, right. So he contacts the narcotics team of Prescott.
01:16:41
Okay. They get there and they're like, let's fucking do this. This is Breaking Bad.
01:16:48
It's not made yet, though. They cut the lock. A fucking locksmith has the most fun day of his life.
01:16:54
Breaks that lock. They go into the truck and in the front there's like paint cans and just a bunch of bullshit.
01:17:01
Then they go towards the rear of the cab. What do they call like the truck thing?
01:17:07
It's not a pickup truck. It's like a truck bed. But it would just be the back of the container.
01:17:12
Yes. The truck container. Thank you. Sure. It's not accurate, but I like to participate.
01:17:18
Thank you. You're welcome. When they go back there, they see a large, white, rectangular chest freezer.
01:17:27
The switch for the freezer is in the on position, so the freezer had been running constantly,
01:17:33
hence the electrical cord. the freezer is also locked and a dozen heavy masking tape pieces have been placed around the
01:17:43
way to like keep it double time closed I don't know so locksmith cuts that one again and yeah
01:17:50
immediately when it opens the officers smell a horrible scent and inside they could see like frost on the walls showing that it had been there for a long time And a large object completely covered with black plastic garbage bags at the bottom
01:18:06
One of the officers reaches in to touch it and says, I feel an arm. Yeah. And immediately they close the freezer and call the homicide unit.
01:18:17
Don't fucking touch a thing. Right. Which is great. Yay. The freezer is taken to the medical examiner, Dr. Anne Buckelz.
01:18:24
Buckelz? Boo Schultz. That just became a moment to yourself. Georgia. Georgia. The freezer is taken to the medical exam where Dr. Ann Boo Schultz, who is able to identify the body.
01:18:39
And three years after her mysterious disappearance from the site of an Orange County freeway, Denise Huber has been found.
01:18:45
Oh, my God. I fucking know. Do you remember this at all? Yes. I remember seeing it on one of those shows.
01:18:52
Yeah. On like American Justice or something. Yeah, and it was on, I mean, back then he was even on America's Most Wanted.
01:18:57
Yeah. You know, let's talk about this fucking dude, John, who owns this truck and this house, the paint guy.
01:19:05
John Famolaro is born in Long Island in June 1957, youngest of three children. Eventually, they moved to Santa Ana, California.
01:19:13
So this is all about John's mother, Anna. She's the domineering force of the fucking family.
01:19:19
He has two siblings, and she just, like, dominates them. She's super fucking religious.
01:19:25
She's verbally abusive. And she controls everything about their lives, doesn't let them play with any kids, doesn't let any kids come over.
01:19:33
And she is super strict. Whatever. No excuse for murder. Right. I'm just telling everyone a story.
01:19:39
It's the background. Yeah. So Anna, her yard is super fucking clean and orderly and lovely.
01:19:45
But inside, she's a hoarder, like a legit hoarder. Oh, yeah. House is filled with stacks of newspapers, magazines, food, laundry, just boxes of shit.
01:19:55
She wouldn't let her kids throw anything away unless they showed it to her first.
01:19:59
Yeah. Just so much. It stresses me out so much because I feel like I have the capacity to be a hoarder inside of me because I get it.
01:20:11
Yeah. There's just this weird of what if, what if, I might need it. I can't let go of it.
01:20:16
Because I have certain things that I'm like that with. but like plastic bags i'm like what if i use it again it's just the yeah but it's like almost like
01:20:23
you just take that mentality about the plastic bags and then you just spread the logic around
01:20:27
to everything else which is crazy obviously but there's it's so much unresolved and then having
01:20:35
a perfect front yard that's that whole thing that's like i don't want anyone to know this shit yeah
01:20:40
well my grandma fucking washed tinfoil and reused it but she went through the depression and also
01:20:46
escaping Russia. Yeah. No, no, that's good. That's almost good sense. Yeah. Just like, I'm saving this string.
01:20:53
I don't give a shit. We don't know what's going to happen. I just don't like clutter.
01:20:57
Right. Well, it feels so much better when you get rid of it. Yeah. That, yeah, that's why I told you the first time I watched a hoarder's marathon and then
01:21:04
got up and immediately cleaned out the closet in the room that I was watching it because
01:21:08
it freaked me out so bad. Nothing feels better than that. Yeah. Um, so, and she also, so Anna also hoarded silver because she was fiercely anti-communism
01:21:21
and thought that the family needed to hoard food and silver to survive a possible Russian
01:21:25
invasion. Right. So she wasn't fucking doing the best she could in her head. Well, and it's just that thing of like fear dominating your life in that way where you
01:21:36
are preparing for an eventuality that will never come. and you're basically shutting down your life
01:21:42
and giving this fear all of this power. You're talking about me right now. Well, I'm talking about everybody.
01:21:49
This is what we're all facing and dealing with constantly. You know, my dad gave me silver for mine and Vince's wedding
01:21:55
because when the end days come... You'll have something to barter with? Yeah, paper money's not going to matter.
01:22:01
You need to... Barney! It's just, yeah. I get this a little bit. Sure. But not to this extreme, obviously.
01:22:08
Yeah. I actually like my dad. No. Well, and also it's like, what if he's right? Yeah.
01:22:12
What if he's right? That's my problem. Like, what if it's true? What if I will fucking get in a car accident?
01:22:17
Like, but you can't live your life in what if. Well, because when you do that, what you're doing, I had a whole conversation with my
01:22:25
therapist about this today, but it was instead of about like future apocalypses or whatever,
01:22:31
it's about relationships. Yeah. I, for a long time, had this idea of here's how I'm not going to get hurt again.
01:22:36
I'm going to date people that aren't that thrilling and that way when the bad part comes
01:22:42
I won't care that much and the problem is it doesn't work that way because you're going to get hurt either way
01:22:48
you cannot prevent it and when you underdeal yourself the way I was doing for so long
01:22:53
then you don't get any of the good part and you get the bad part you might not be hurt either way
01:22:58
you could bet on someone who turns out to be fucking great and who sees through all your bullshit
01:23:03
and is like shut up Yes. I'm talking about Vince. And me. Well, yeah, but you're right.
01:23:11
I mean, it's that thing where when we decide what the future looks like and that it's only bad, and then we start
01:23:17
preparing for that future, then we start living for a future like that. And we prove ourselves right, and we're like, see?
01:23:22
But really, we just fucking did it to ourselves. And it's sad. We're working on it. Don't do it, everyone.
01:23:29
Work on it. Work on it. Work on it, Karen. Georgia, get rid of your silver. Okay. So John isn't violent as a child, but he has these crazy mood swings, hyperactivity to depression.
01:23:41
It sounds like bipolar. I'm not a doctor. What? I know. You told me when we started this.
01:23:48
I meant to tell you. I got my HIPAA. Why are you wearing that white coat on the side?
01:23:54
Why do you have a stethoscope Why do you keep taking my pulse What Why do you keep taking my polls That not what I heard Okay By what I don know
01:24:05
Nothing. Okay. Okay. It's even happy birthday, though. Seriously. Seriously. It's your best birthday ever.
01:24:10
You're welcome. We got you a Power Rangers costume. Go, Power Rangers. Go. Okay.
01:24:17
Whatever. This is all this shit. They call him. They call him names. Yes. You know.
01:24:22
Life is hard. Life's hard. Yeah. all this shit and let's talk about his mom though still she's fucking she's she bathes them into
01:24:30
their preteens years pardon her go back please including her son her two sons she bathes them in
01:24:36
newspapers so that's not clean no it isn't that's the problem with a hoarder bathing you
01:24:45
right they're just like here's this old sandwich from three months ago scrubbing under your armpits
01:24:52
well she scrubbed their junk really hard no no until they were like in preteen teenagers
01:24:58
straight out of VC Andrews exactly I'm trying to hit home that this chick's fucking
01:25:04
that is bad there's some shit going on okay her fucking breath changed his brother later says her breath changed
01:25:12
when she would be scrubbing their junk and they'd be like this is your special area and it needs to be cleaned correctly
01:25:18
so she'd do it for them no no no no don't let anyone touch your junk um but that happened to her obviously yeah something
01:25:25
along those lines sure um and so she was really big about like you can't even watch kissing no
01:25:31
dating all this bullshit that we've heard a million times she would say sorry that's not funny she would
01:25:36
burst into their rooms at night to make sure they weren't masturbating when they were teenagers like
01:25:40
it just wasn't a way it wasn't a mentally healthy way to grow up and grow your brain no parts bad
01:25:47
stuff um and so this culminates in 1980 anna runs for a seat on the santa anna city council
01:25:53
campaigning sorry the hoarder uh-huh okay well she's like she's campaigning against abortion
01:26:00
pornography and a local adult theater so she's got this fucking okay gusto to change she's fired
01:26:05
up yeah all these sinners and shit and then it's like we're moving up to two baths a day everybody
01:26:10
Yeah, it's getting serious. Okay, on the same day she announces her candidacy, her older son, John's big brother, Warren, he's now a chiropractor. He's arrested for molesting two 10 year old patients and for having unlawful intercourse, which come on with a 17 year old girl.
01:26:29
oh man yeah warren's convicted and um he's committed to a state hospital as a mentally
01:26:37
disordered sex offender that's what they call him and to get away from the embarrassment that's when
01:26:42
the parents moved to prescott arizona okay can i do an aside of a quick hometown please just a
01:26:47
little bits of it that because i always look it up on the okay yeah to cross-reference it yeah yeah
01:26:53
and this is sticking with anna hello karen george steven and pet cohorts that i was recently
01:26:58
diagnosed with a brain aneurysm and have found MFM to be an excellent way to distract myself
01:27:02
and keep my blood pressure down as I await my upcoming surgery. Wow. In 2002, I was a first semester nursing student and I was assigned to the local VA hospital
01:27:10
for clinicals. On one of my earliest clinical days, I was walking down the hall when a little old lady
01:27:16
came out of a patient room and asked me if I could come in and help her husband.
01:27:21
Quick description of the little old lady, kind of small with a toothy fake smile plastered
01:27:26
on her face and eyes that were simultaneously too bright and dead inside. Also, she seemed hella
01:27:31
innocuous, but she was actually venomous as fuck. I politely informed her that I was a nursing
01:27:35
student and that I would get someone who knew what they were doing to come help her. I went and found
01:27:40
the staff nurse that I was assigned to, told her about the woman's request, and the nurse immediately
01:27:44
stopped what she was doing, looked me square in the eyes, and said, never go into that room without
01:27:49
a staff member. Whoa. She explained the woman who flagged me down had a history of tricking nursing
01:27:55
students into coming into the room, having them do some innocuous task, and then fucking with her
01:28:01
husband's dressings, IV, catheter, bedding, whatever, and blaming it on the nursing student.
01:28:06
We're talking about Anna, if you don't know this already. I kind of caught on, yeah.
01:28:09
Okay. I don't think you're stupid. It was a bit confrontational, Louise. Which part?
01:28:17
I'm talking about Anna. As my supervising nurse went to see if the patient actually needed anything, she whispered
01:28:23
to me and their son is a serial killer which ended up not being true but but yeah killer yes
01:28:29
i heard a lot of stories about her and her incessant sabotage mental torture of staff
01:28:34
she would pocket her husband's meds and then accuse the staff of not providing them she would
01:28:39
remove his catheter and blame it on blame staff for his wet sheets the woman's mind games resulted
01:28:44
in a lot of people quitting and she was at one point refused access to the property after she
01:28:49
brought a gun on campus little old lady following a verbal altercation with some of the nursing staff
01:28:54
dang it and it says stay sexy don't get murdered and if you have a family history of aneurysms go
01:28:59
get yourself checked out smart and i'm not going to say her name because of hippa reasons and i
01:29:04
don't want her to get in trouble that's right but and you're a hippo thank you you know your name
01:29:08
that is it's because it's almost like it's you know like we're saying like the hoarding thing
01:29:13
is like tip of the iceberg clearly it's about other things then as you're talking about the
01:29:17
other things and it's like oh man it is way worse it's way worse and then it's like something like
01:29:21
that where where was the husband through all of the other stuff the thing he was that meek let her
01:29:27
do whatever she wanted she was all her it was all her they were super religious so he was like it's
01:29:32
god's fuck whatever she's saying is god's will and so i like back her up oh wow yeah okay you
01:29:38
know it's one of those situations yeah that just sucks so um so they went to prescott arizona the
01:29:46
parents to skedaddle out of that massive child molestation shit. Right. John stayed in Orange County
01:29:52
and attended various colleges. He studied some shit He once saved a woman who was being assaulted at knife point at a bus stop which to me is so weird Yeah So obviously he he killed Denise But yet he also had this like
01:30:07
hero complex and save this woman at who assailant was a tackling was attacking her with a knife,
01:30:13
he tackles the assailant takes away the knife pins him to the ground until the police arrived.
01:30:17
like he was also saving it there's just it's just this weird brain yeah so he gets into the house
01:30:26
painting business hires he hires a team of painters and moves his business into a warehouse
01:30:31
in laguna hills california which is like 20 minutes from newport beach okay um several has
01:30:37
several girlfriends over the years and um he has friends they all say has a good sense of humor
01:30:43
They describe him as fun, intelligent, nice, respectful, considerate, and polite.
01:30:48
But they also describe him as secretive, manipulative, and a smooth talker. It's like, fucking pick one.
01:30:53
Yeah, really. Well. It can be both. Because it's that thing where, like, fun times are fun.
01:30:58
It's a good thing to remember. It's easy to have fun. Right. It's easy to have fun.
01:31:03
Right. But then when the shit goes down and someone suddenly is just, like, gaslighting you for reasons that you don't understand, that's when it's like, yeah.
01:31:10
The fun, it doesn't counterbalance. It has to be as close to 100% as possible. You want someone who's reliable, I think is what the secret is.
01:31:19
Yeah, consistent. Consistent. Thank you. Yeah, I got that. In the summer of 1992, John finally moves to Arizona to be close to his parents because his father had been hospitalized, like our fucking hometown just told us.
01:31:30
Yeah, okay. So he moves next door to his parents where he parks the 24 foot rider truck that he had brought with him from Orange County where it sat with an electrical cord plugged into next door into his parents house.
01:31:43
Remember it was the neighbor. Until fucking Elaine comes along and is like, not today, motherfucker.
01:31:50
I don't like this. I don't like this. And red flags. So John. Some might argue she was sent by God.
01:31:57
That's right. I think Denise's parents say that. That's right. So John, he's a farmolero.
01:32:03
He's 34 years old. He's arrested, obviously. They search his house, and it turns out he's a hoarder, too, now.
01:32:10
Saved everything in his life. And in a box labeled Christmas, fucking handwritten.
01:32:15
And if you watch the Forensic Files episode, you can see a lot of cool, like, photos and shit.
01:32:20
Of, like, obviously, all this stuff. All that evidence. And in the Christmas box, they find a lot of incriminating items that John couldn't part with as a hoarder.
01:32:31
So black garbage bags that are similar to the ones that were that Denise was wrapped in in the freezer.
01:32:38
They found Denise's wallet, purse, everything that would have they found, you know, her fucking driver's licenses in there, her car keys, the outfit she was wearing the night of her disappearance.
01:32:48
This poor baby girl. um and then another box contained a blood-stained hammer and basically the outfit that john probably
01:32:55
was wearing that night covered in blood like he couldn't get rid of it which i don't like everyone
01:33:00
talks about maybe you know the killers want trophies and shit but the hoarding part i think
01:33:05
is more likely than him wanting a trophy yeah he couldn't right like throwing something away was
01:33:11
threatening yeah he drove this thing from california to or like arizona he could have
01:33:15
buried this stuff in the desert right he didn't he needed it he had to keep it yeah yeah so of
01:33:24
course that blood ends up being denise's blood um they find a receipt from a mock-un-marie ward
01:33:29
for a freezer that's the same model obviously the freezer is delivered to his laguna hills
01:33:34
um storage unit only nine days after denise huber's disappearance and when an orange county
01:33:40
criminologist they go they perform what forensic files wouldn't exist without yeah luminol test
01:33:46
yes on the floor and of course it's blood and the fucking people who i this is one of the parts i
01:33:54
will never forget the people who had taken over the storage unit later were like oh we thought it
01:33:58
was just a stain and we hosed it down never hose down a stain no no i mean what no yeah so storage
01:34:10
units i know so creepy so creepy they call it a warehouse but it's clearly a fucking storage unit
01:34:15
um and so because since it was determined that denise was murdered in that storage unit john's
01:34:22
extradited back to orange county for trial so he's extradited back uh to california for trial
01:34:28
so john famalero immediately the detectives say that he's just as cool as a fucking cucumber
01:34:34
doesn't react or anything immediately. He's like, I want an attorney. Doesn't say a thing ever about it.
01:34:41
And he refuses to testify, pleads not guilty. So the prosecutors could only speculate what happened to Denise,
01:34:50
which is that her tire did blow out normally. And she probably got out of her car, started walking towards a call box.
01:34:58
And as John Famolaro drove by, he saw her on the side of the road, pulls over. It's possible he was out looking for a victim since it was so late in the night.
01:35:06
But we don't know. It might just be fucking awful time and place. Right. And there's no blood near the car.
01:35:12
So they assume. And Denise had no defensive wounds. So it's theorized that she might have initially gotten into his car willingly to get help.
01:35:21
But when they searched his house, they found two sheriff's deputies uniforms in his possession.
01:35:28
So it's probable. and because this is my favorite murder, we can say definitely.
01:35:33
Yeah. Fact that he was posing. He was posing as a cop. That would make so much more sense
01:35:39
because why would she get into a strange man's car when the call box is right there?
01:35:44
You wouldn't, it would be like, what do you want me to drive you down to the gas station
01:35:46
that you can see? Right. Or like, just take me to my parents' house. They'll help me
01:35:50
because she was literally like, I think the off ramp for her parents' house was right there.
01:35:54
So just drop me off at my parents' house. They'll come get, my dad can change a tire or whatever.
01:35:59
Sorry, that was sexist. Parents can change a tire, whatever. They theorized that when she was in the car, because he was driving and he immediately was driving where he shouldn't have been driving.
01:36:08
So he probably rendered her unconscious pretty immediately. And then based on the autopsy, he duct taped her face and eyes and handcuffed her and brought her to a storage warehouse.
01:36:20
And then because they had all her clothes that he kept, they saw that there were these weird scuff marks on the back of her heels that indicated that he had dragged her from the car to the warehouse, which is so fucking awful.
01:36:33
Once there, John Famolaro raped Denise and then placed three white plastic bags around her head, cinched them, and then took what medical examiners later surmised to be a 14-inch iron nail puller that was found in his home and hit her over the head at least 31 separate times.
01:36:54
Oh, my God. Yeah. Based on the fact that there was no external trauma and no signs of defensive wounds, it's thought that she was most likely unconscious when she was killed, which like small favor.
01:37:04
Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. So during the trial, all this other like corroborating shit came around, like two of his exes came forward and was like, there were these weird moments where he handcuffed me against my will and like humiliated me and he was violent.
01:37:24
in these weird little times. But both of them had gotten back together with him afterwards,
01:37:29
had freaked out, was like, fuck you, and left. And then he fucking convinced them
01:37:32
that they just didn't understand the situation. That he was like, no, I thought we were playing.
01:37:39
I didn't mean it like that. And convinced these women that, which they knew that it wasn't right.
01:37:47
And so they broke up with him and left. He's a psychopath. He's a fucking psychopath.
01:37:50
He knows what to say. He knows how to talk to people. He knows what to be like, the friends were saying,
01:37:54
Charming, casual, fun, whatever. Exactly. Yes. It's terrifying. Yeah. Also, it came out that possibly Warren had also molested John as a child.
01:38:05
Yeah. You know. Denise's murder was determined to be an incredibly violent and brutal assault.
01:38:11
And for it, John Famalera was found guilty and received the death penalty. Whoa.
01:38:16
Yeah. But of course, it's California. Well, not overturned. Oh. California has a moratorium on the death penalty.
01:38:24
And so Dennis and Ione, the parents of Denise, say that they may never see their daughters kill or put to death, but they've made peace with it because we have this whole it's we're like a we're like a symbolic death penalty state, meaning you can be on death row, but we're probably never going to kill you.
01:38:41
But you'll never get out also. Right. OK. Yeah, that's important. A hundred percent.
01:38:45
Yeah. I hope her dad said that the wound never heals. You just learn how to deal with it.
01:38:51
As a side note, identification and other materials associated with other women were found during the search of his house.
01:39:00
Some of them were like cleared and they're alive and fine and some have never been identified.
01:39:06
So it leaves the possibility open that John Famolaro murdered other women. But they still don't know.
01:39:12
The case is still open in Arizona. Because they always say that, like, especially that age, you don't start midlife.
01:39:20
Right. And you don't start with an intensely brutal murder with potentially posing as a cop and all that.
01:39:26
That's not a first off. Yeah. That's a pattern. Right. Yeah. That's a long held developing pattern.
01:39:35
Murder squad. Can we get on this? I mean, for real. So despite all his fucking stupid idiot appeals, he remains on death row in San Quentin.
01:39:43
then so elaine uh canalia our friend elaine our best friend she and after um he was caught she
01:39:52
spoke with denise's parents and she told them how sorry she was and they told her that it was god's
01:39:58
will that she helped them find her last child and they were like you know connecting and shit
01:40:04
elaine told them that she had felt this really weird feeling while she was at the house and that
01:40:09
she felt a strong pull coming from this truck. And her parents are like, this is it was like
01:40:15
intervention. It was supposed to fucking happen. Yes. Denise Huber was buried in August of 1994
01:40:22
next to her grandparents in South Dakota. Over 200 family members and friends attended her services,
01:40:27
after which dozens of brightly colored balloons were released in Denise's memory. And the
01:40:32
inscription on Denise Huber headstone reads you will always be loved And that the story of the murder of Denise Huber Man My fucking hometown murder And such a good like oh my God there so many elements to that
01:40:48
Like, that's such a good story. It's so weird because I remember, like, bits of this in that, like, I remember seeing,
01:40:55
I think on, like, the Forensic Files or one of these shows, like, a row of specific storage
01:41:04
unit doors that look really specific to Orange County because we have these, like, wide swaths
01:41:08
of like fucking weird storage and shit yeah and every time i drive by one now i think of like
01:41:14
someone was murdered in one of these in one of these stories yeah but like it never it never
01:41:19
like came to me that it was this murder yeah so now i have this like connection to it unbelievable
01:41:24
yeah i remember i feel like the first thing that seemed familiar was the stretch of road that she
01:41:30
got the flat tire on that was like isolated but not uh it wasn't isolated but it was this kind of
01:41:37
like she was stuck in this patch of road. Yeah, it was definitely like I didn't drive down that
01:41:42
freeway. But the freeway that's like next to it, the 55 was really similar. It was just this short
01:41:47
freeway that got you from Newport to Costa Mesa or whatever. It was like not a lot of traffic during
01:41:52
the day, let alone at two in the morning. So I could see it being it feels isolated, even though
01:41:57
you're surrounded in Orange County. There's never any like, you're never isolated in Orange County.
01:42:02
Right. But it does feel that way. Yeah, man. I know. And just all that But yeah, it's very fateful.
01:42:10
And, you know, Elaine getting her nose in there and just being like, I don't like the way this looks.
01:42:14
And I want someone to do something about it. And then that detective who is like, I'm going to do something about it.
01:42:19
I take you seriously. Yeah. And I'm going to double down and I'm going to fucking make sure they check.
01:42:24
Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Yeah. And, you know, good for them. And also, I think I've heard a long time ago that when you get a flat tire, and I know we have cell phones now, so it's different.
01:42:32
But when you get a flat tire, drive off the freeway, even if you fuck up your rim.
01:42:36
Yes. It's important to get to a well-lit gas station or something and not pull over on the side of the road.
01:42:41
Not that it's her fucking fault, obviously. Of course not. But when you don't know that, like, yeah, you can drive on rims for a while.
01:42:48
Obviously, it'll fuck your rim up. But you can drive on a flat for a while. You can drive on a rim.
01:42:54
There's an amazing story in the Tales from the Tour Bus. And I think, was it Jerry Lee Lewis?
01:43:00
They drove on rims because they didn't want to miss a show. And when they pulled up in, I'm pretty sure it was Chicago, the back of the car was on fire because they had driven for so long on the rims.
01:43:12
Don't do that. I'm going to look it up. Yeah, don't do that for sure. But what I'm saying is that basically you can go for much further than you think.
01:43:19
Get off the freeway. I mean, first of all, for fucking safety, there's cars zipping by.
01:43:23
It's scary and dangerous. But also, yeah, you want to make sure there's people around you.
01:43:27
Get to a gas station, get to a well-lit place. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing.
01:43:31
Yeah. Yeah. Fucking hooray. Let's fucking hooray this shit because we need it. I have wanted to fucking hooray this for three days because I just found –
01:43:40
So my sister's best friend, Adrienne, I'll never not describe her that way. It's how I know her, so it's how you know her.
01:43:48
Big podcast person herself. So what she asked me – Oh, first of all, she called me.
01:43:56
Now, these are my sister and her best friend are the two people I spent the most time with in all of my life since I was 10.
01:44:05
And they were the most bored, irritated, older sisters. They never were interested in anything I had to say.
01:44:12
I would always try to hang out with them. They were always trying to get me to leave the room.
01:44:15
Adrienne wasn't like that. My sister was. Were you two years younger? Two years younger.
01:44:19
And so they were the ones that were like, here's how you can hang out in my room.
01:44:22
This is my sister's idea. Yeah. You have to make up a lip sync to Pat Benatar's Get Nervous or whatever.
01:44:27
Some song, they would tell me what I had to do. Then I would spend an hour in my room making up a thing.
01:44:34
And then I'd have to go in and do it. It's like you're being hazed constantly. Yes.
01:44:38
But it's like we're still deciding whether or not you can. The answer was always no at the end.
01:44:43
And I would just go back and like try it again. So they basically trained me for show business.
01:44:49
Yeah. Exactly. They did. But they also trained you for the heartbreak of it, too.
01:44:53
because you're used to hearing no. No was like, okay, I'm just going to try again.
01:44:57
That's great. Yeah. So I owe them my career. So anyway, and they both have good taste.
01:45:01
I trust them. So I probably wasn't giving that lip sync performance my all. And I should have used a chair and sat backwards on it.
01:45:09
So anyway, so, and Adrian's the one that like, when we obviously started this podcast,
01:45:15
called me and was like, when are you doing Richard Ramirez? And I was like, oh my God, you're into this.
01:45:19
She's been in it and part of it from the beginning. Totally. So I recommended to her the teacher pet podcast that we have become obsessed with And she when I saw her this weekend had just finished it
01:45:33
And then she goes, have you listened to who the hell is Hamish? And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.
01:45:39
And she goes, oh, that was the podcast that started when the last episode of teacher's pet ended.
01:45:44
It's another podcast by the Australian, the newspaper. And it is so good. It's about this fucking con man named Hamish.
01:45:53
He's got a million last names. And his path of destruction is un-fucking-believable.
01:46:01
I am here for this. I recommend it. First of all, and we've said this before with Teacher's Pet, I want to listen to Australian people talk all the time.
01:46:11
They are super intelligent. They use very big words. They clearly have a good educational system there.
01:46:17
They're great at expressing themselves. I don't know what it is. And it's cute. And the phrases are funny, too.
01:46:23
So it's like, oh, that's cute. Like, they call it these things. And it all goes up at the end.
01:46:28
Right. I know I do New Zealand sometimes when I should be doing an Australian. They call things stuff that we think is funny and weird.
01:46:34
So it's entertaining, too. Yes. Yeah, their slang is good. Yes. But then also just their ability to be interviewed.
01:46:41
It's like they're all kind of podcast ready. Casual and not nervous. Yeah, not nervous, very earnest, intelligent.
01:46:47
So it's just person after person who has come up against this con man who has conned multi multi million dollars out of people over years and has never like is never gotten caught until recently.
01:47:02
Oh, my God. I have to hear it. I need to learn. Well, I learn how to spot a con man and not.
01:47:07
Yes. Well, because what it is, is you have to. What I think the lesson is, is it's you can't spot a con man.
01:47:13
Right. Because they are masters at camouflage. I don't like it. So, but there are things it's, you can spot a compulsive liar and that's people like write
01:47:24
off and joke about compulsive liars. But that is one of like the foundational things of people who don't have consciences about
01:47:33
how they affect other people. Yeah. Don't care. They don't care what your, what your reaction to their story is.
01:47:39
They're going to tell you because in their mind, here's how it's going to go. And it's going to be believed.
01:47:44
Yes. And so you're impressed. I don't think I've ever met a compulsive liar before.
01:47:48
They're pretty amazing. Like a real one. Yeah, I've met a couple. And it's sad. Or maybe they were just so fucking good.
01:47:54
No, but like one of those, like, there's no way that happened. Right. Where it's the thing of if you say, I went skiing this weekend.
01:48:00
They said, this is the example they gave. He goes, well, I was actually a ski champion.
01:48:04
And the people that used to work with him, because he started off as like a commodities trader or whatever,
01:48:10
they just would joke about him because no matter what you said, he would come back with a bigger thing.
01:48:14
Okay, I do know someone, a friend dated who did that all the time. Yeah. And I think there's pieces like that that you put together.
01:48:20
There's also like big stories and they try to get you, when you first meet, they try to get you with sympathy.
01:48:28
So he'll come in of, I was an orphan, my parents were killed at this age, I've been through this, I've been through that.
01:48:34
And then suddenly, especially with women, you have all this empathy and you kind of have that look of, oh, he's been through so much.
01:48:41
So when he's lying to you or when he gets caught in lies. Let him get away with it.
01:48:44
Because you know the logic behind how we suffered so much, whatever. It's amazing.
01:48:48
So anyway, I recommend. It's called Who the Hell is Hamish? And it is, I think it's eight episodes altogether.
01:48:57
It's so good. And I just, the Australian newspaper is like killing it in the podcast arena.
01:49:03
They're just so good at it. I'm so excited because I just finished. I binge watched and listened in a week to a podcast too.
01:49:10
Let's have it be my fucking hooray. Which one is it? I'm stealing it from you. Okay.
01:49:14
Do it. That I am so bummed is over. There was this moment where I was like, why do I want to clean the house so bad?
01:49:19
Oh, because I want to listen to this fucking podcast. Yes. It's, I think a lot of people listen to it, but it's called The Root of Evil or just Root
01:49:26
of Evil. And it's the one that, you know, the TNT thing they just did. I Am the Night.
01:49:30
I Am the Night. So the two of the granddaughters of George Hodel. Yes. The fucking, I believe, fucking Black Dahlia murderer slash piece of fucking shit, like
01:49:41
rapist they narrate his life and all the horrible things he did and their mother is fauna the girl
01:49:50
who didn't know that she was it's just this insane fucking family story if you think your family
01:49:54
story is bad listen to this it's worse and it's just really well done because it's all family and
01:50:00
the girl the the women who are doing the interviews it their family it means a lot to them they have so much heart and they care and it it just an incredible story of survival and you know these this this beautiful story that can come out of it even though it awful yeah it you know gives
01:50:16
you hope but it's also like devastating and i cried in the shower recently oh yeah i mean that's
01:50:22
what i feel like that's so that's the true crime experience yeah yeah so root of evil who the hell
01:50:28
is hamish yeah i had one other thing i had oh i went and saw my friend crystal uh langham do a
01:50:35
pole dance competition. She started pole dancing like six months ago and to make herself learn it
01:50:40
and be good at it. She signed up for a competition that was like four months away, which I think is
01:50:46
great. It's very smart. Yeah. And but she's been stressing about it. It's been awful. And she went
01:50:50
and got fucking first place. That's amazing. She and I went on Sunday, she fucking killed it. This
01:50:56
whole pole dancing community is a really beautiful fucking thing that I didn't really know existed.
01:51:00
yeah if you were looking to dance and do stuff go learn to pole dance um yeah awesome yeah
01:51:07
congratulations crystal yeah congratulations crystals it was also inspiring to me yeah i bet
01:51:11
yeah because it's very physical and uh that's really cool so i signed you up for a pole dance
01:51:17
competition in four months no no no okay great no you sure but but if you sign me up for something
01:51:24
and swimming. Oh, okay. How about, what if you become a, um, yep. Synchronized swimmer. Well,
01:51:30
I already, you know, I think I've bragged about my cousins, Mary Kate and Eileen who were on the
01:51:34
San Francisco marionettes, which was a competitive synchronized swimming team. And we used to go
01:51:39
watch them like sitting in the fog in like the mission, watching them practice with their nose
01:51:46
clips. And they're like, we got taught to do the thing where you, you are laying on the water,
01:51:51
then you go down and you just leave your legs up and you go down like an l shape so that you're down
01:51:57
yeah going down straight your upper body is going down straight and then you flip one leg up and
01:52:02
then the second and you drill down yes we got they my eileen taught us for like an entire summer
01:52:08
what that like basically combination so hard it's amazing and it's the whole time underneath
01:52:13
the water you're like doing like goldfish arms i'm gonna be on the sidelines with a mai tai going
01:52:19
Karen you're killing it what's your activity what about pole dancing no I'm not doing that
01:52:26
are you kidding me I was inspired to do something not that there's no fucking way
01:52:32
do a thing eventually do a thing that you want to try and give yourself a challenge
01:52:36
and I promise to be there on the sidelines with a Mai Tai cheering you on well I hope you rise to that challenge
01:52:44
I hope that dream comes true for you that's my dream that's it i think that's it gosh guys thanks for listening guys we appreciate your ears
01:52:54
and your hearts and your we do thank you so much thank you thank you to steven and his birthday
01:53:01
happy birthday to steven birthday steven uh this we love you stay sexy and don't get murdered
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