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My favorite murder Hello! Hello! And welcome to My Favorite Murder, the minisode, where we read you your shit.
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Are you ready for it? Are you ready for your shit? Are you ready for this? Da da, oh.
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I think we've done that a few times. I don't think it's fair. I feel like, what should we do?
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break it up and then each write a different intro for every week done like it's a some kind of a
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weird new show yeah this week tonight tonight on minisodes you want to go first absolutely great
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the subject line of this is my mom some pigeons and a serial killer great hi mfm crew my mom grew
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up in northern new jersey the middle child of seven what up irish catholics in the late 1950s
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when my mom was about eight, a family moved in across the street. They had a daughter my mom's
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age. Let's call her Debbie. My mom and little Debbie became good friends as Debbie's mom and
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my grandmother. Debbie also had an older brother named Richard who was around 13. Little Richard
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and little Debbie? I mean, what a fun family. Treats and music and piano playing. Love it.
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My mom says Richard was always nice to her. He showed her how to keep homing pigeons on the roof.
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And he used to do that thing where you hold hands with a little kid and spin them around really fast.
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so the kid lifts up in here that's all it takes from your kid to think someone's great i love
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though that that's such an it's probably international i would guess but it's so um
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across all yeah experiences and yet there is no name for it other than that thing where you
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that thing where you spin a little kid but he would only spin my mom not debbie and once debbie
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asked why and he turned on her and snarled because you're a brat oh my mom said they didn't play much
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with Richard after that. Eventually, Debbie and her family moved away, and she and my mom lost touch,
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but my grandmother and Debbie's mom stayed good friends. My grandmother was even invited to Richard's wedding years later.
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Decades passed, and then one day, my mom heard that Richard had been arrested. Turns out, Debbie's family was the Cottinghams,
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and Richard's full name was Richard Francis Cottingham, a.k.a. the Torso Killer,
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mentioned briefly by Georgia in episode 172. No! Oh, and also done by me at a live show.
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The first live beacon show we did in New York City. I remember. But we never posted it.
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Yes. Holy, you know, a fucking straight up. This isn't like he killed his wife. Not that that's fucking good or bad.
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Like a serial. Like you have a name killer. He had three. Okay, wait, hold on. Brief rundown.
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Feel free to skip this part if you've covered him by now. Do it. But in the late 1960s and throughout the 70s, Richard Cunningham raped, tortured and killed
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at least six women, though he claims the number is much higher in New York and New Jersey. He
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often dismembered his victims and left nothing but a torso behind, which earned him the imaginative
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nickname the Torso Killer, as well as the New York Ripper and the Butcher of Times Square.
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Remember that horrible story? I am so glad that you're reading this, because I almost did this
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for an episode recently. Really? Forgetting that you did it at the weekend. But does it count if
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we do it live and it never airs? Absolutely. Not if we don't remember, and we did a bunch of work
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on it and that's all our story is that week we you can't we're so zen it's the moment is now
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and the moment is now that's right the time is not fucking linear no it's a circle i forgot the
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part of the circle that's right where karen did that story already which means that circle doesn't
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exist anymore that piece of the circle is gone prove it it's eaten pizza okay so i love it's
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eating pizza i love that okay so okay um sorry this is horrible no no no no we had that was a
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sidebar okay he was caught in 1980 when he brought in an attended victim back to the same hotel he
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had left another victim's body in a few weeks earlier lazy my grandmother that's what they
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wrote oh they wrote that yeah uh my grandmother died before i was born and there are so many
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things I wish I could ask her, but now one of them is definitely, what was that wedding like?
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Oh my God. Family lore says the save the date photo of the engaged couple was bizarrely off-putting.
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No. But unfortunately, it's lost to history. Thank you ladies for all you do. Stay sexy and don't hang out with your friend's creepy pigeon raising older brother.
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A I bet they didn have Jordan almonds and pretty little lace bags at that wedding Nope I bet the vibe was off and people were like is it already 830 We have to go home Yeah We take a piece of cake to go actually Yes that right
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Wrap it up for me. Wow. That's a heavy hitter. Yeah. That was a big one. Oh, my God.
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Yeah. So we've done Richard Cottingham, but only for whatever it is. The Beacon Live show.
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2,000 people in New York City. Which we don't record those ones for some reason.
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I'm glad to hear that because I have that whole one written out and almost did it recently.
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I mean, you know, at some point we're going to have to go back through and just do all the ones the other person did.
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Yeah. But you can't use their notes at all. No, you can't. You can't mention anything they mentioned.
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So you have to go really deep dive. That's right. Okay. This one's called SSDGM'd and maybe broke up a marriage.
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Greetings. I went to college at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville from 2002 to 2006, years before the town was known only for white nationalism and having, quote, very good people on both sides.
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Oh, no. When I was there, we weren't that worried about white nationalism, but we were very worried about a serial rapist who had been assaulting young women in Charlottesville since 1997.
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Wow. Every female student at UVA was very aware of the serial rapist. The police visited our dorms and told us to be vigilant, and there was a, quote, safe ride program set up to help students avoid walking alone.
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I, of course, ignored all this advice. So one night after a football game, I decided to walk to a party alone.
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I nearly jumped out of my skin when the carefully manicured shrubs lining the street I was walking on began shaking.
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I quickened my pace, but the shaking continued, and then I heard a low, loud moan.
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this moan was followed by another more angry groan and then a large man lurched out of the bushes
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directly in my path i was prepared to defend myself and even began to assume some type of
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karate style stance that felt natural but probably looked ridiculous but instead of attacking me the
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man simply collapsed onto the sidewalk at my feet his cell phone and wallet spilled out of his coat
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and that's when i had the chance to analyze his attire wrinkled oxford shirt dirty khakis uva
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baseball cap. This was not the serial rapist, but a very drunk UVA alum. It was pretty common for
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former students to come back, attend football games and try to party like they used to.
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He was very, very hammered, had scrapes all over his face, a huge gash on his forearm.
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He stood up and I was about to offer him help when he began to hit on me to the extent that
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he possibly could in his condition. It didn't take long for my fear to transition to anger,
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especially when I saw his wedding ring. I reached down and picked up his wallet,
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planning on taking whatever cash I found to pay for a cab to the party. This was years before Uber.
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There was no cash, but I did find a hotel key card. I looked at the name on the driver's license.
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Let's say it was Tom Smith called the hotel phone number on the back of the key card and asked to be connected with the room registered to Tom Smith.
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When a woman, presumably his wife answered, I asked, hi, are you missing your husband? And she, she emphatically responded. Yes.
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I told her where he was. Well, he seriously began to cry and say, please don't call my wife, please.
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And then vomited on the sidewalk. It's amazing. It's so crazy. I assume she came and picked him up.
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Yeah. Little did I know, I had no reason to be scared of random dudes in the bushes because the
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following year, the serial rapist was arrested and I had already encountered him many, many
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times. He worked at the deli at a local grocery store, Harris Teeter. Yep, I had frequently asked him to cut my smoked turkey super thin.
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Thinner! I had made him redo it lots of times, maybe weekly. What? I like sandwiches.
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That's what she said. Defend yourself, girl. He was a married father of four, and his M.O. was stalking women for weeks,
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learning their travel patterns, and then breaking into their homes when they were gone
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and hiding for hours until they came home. Fuck. He would then surprise them, usually bludgeon them unconscious, assault them and flee.
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He was finally caught when one badass lady who had been assaulted noticed the guy behind the deli counter,
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looked familiar and was acting super weird towards her. Do I still eat cold cuts?
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Yes, I do. But I never walk alone at night. Stay sexy and never trust a man with a cleaver.
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Ricky. That is, I feel like that's why we all are interested in these stories in the first place.
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Because it isn't a man hiding in the bushes. I mean, in that way of what you decide to fear versus what is to be feared.
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Right. Like, watch out for guys hiding in bushes. But also watch out for... But it's that thing where it's those people hide in plain sight in that real vague, bland way.
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Yeah. Where you're like, oh, that's the guy I was bossing around at the grocery store.
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Yeah, I didn't think twice about him. That's a crazy story. It's an amazing story.
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It goes this way. It goes that way. It goes all the ways. The drunk guy, though, really had like a full cycle life experience just in standing with that girl.
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You know what I mean? Hitting on her. Throwing up. Crying. Crying. His wife being called.
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And also. Almost being robbed, but he didn't carry cash. Sorry, I am assuming that it's a woman.
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It is. Ricky with Kate. Ricky with Kate. Okay. Because Ricky, the idea of looking into his wallet to get the information and taking care of business was a very generous thing for her to do.
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it was very kind to a very drunk person and and also smart so smart then you and also then you
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just have that person's name so they try to come at you in any way it's like back the fuck up tom
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smith right that seems like one of those things where like later you're like i wish i had done
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this i should have done that she fucking did it she did it all real time good job ricky ricky
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and the flash okay the subject line of this one is my mother-in-law escapes murder twice
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all inclusive hello so good perfection my fiance is from Oregon aka the Pacific Northwest aka murder corner of the U Growing up his mom Cindy C What about the girl at the meet and greet this past weekend who I said
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what's your name? And she goes, Cindy. And I couldn't hear her the first time. And I asked again.
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Then she goes, Cindy from the 70s. Remember that? Here's a group of girls. I'm still laughing about that, Cindy.
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Okay. Okay, so this is the mother-in-law, Cindy C-Y-N-D-I. Growing up, his mom, Cindy, narrowly escaped being murdered twice, so I'm lucky he's even here.
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Young Cindy used to hitchhike around town during the 70s, despite being warned by friends and family that this was a terrible idea.
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Not in the Pacific Northwest. No, God, no. One day, a VW bug stopped to pick her up.
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She glanced at the driver, skinny white guy, and thought, he looks harmless. Again.
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And hopped in. As soon as she was in the car with the door closed, the driver lunged at her.
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Cindy reached for the door handle to get the fuck out of there, but she was shocked to find there was no passenger side door handle.
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Dude had removed it to create his own little murder mobile. She was fighting him off when she felt the door open and someone grabbed her from behind.
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She thought, oh shit, there's two of them. But it turned out to be a friend of hers.
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He'd been driving by, seen her hitchhiking, and circled around to pick her up. But when he saw the VW bug parked in the same spot, he stopped to check it out.
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After the friend dragged Cindy out of the car, the driver sped off. Oh, my God. Hero.
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But she's going to this goes into a second story because it's escaping twice. But nowhere in that is mentioned that this was 1000% the Ted Bundy MO.
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Or more freakily, that was just a regular thing guys did back then. Oh, no. Yeah.
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That was Ted Bundy's MO for sure. As if she, she, that sounds like such a Ted Bundy experience.
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Right. Okay. I'll swoop in those mountains. He would hide, he would hide those women's bodies.
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Oh, that's right. Okay. Cindy was also there the night of the Oregon Museum Tavern shooting.
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If you're not familiar, on May 7th, 1981, a 25-year-old man named Lawrence William Moore
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walked into the Oregon Museum Tavern in Salem, Oregon, and started shooting into the crowd.
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Didn't he do this one too? No, this is the one that happened to me. Cindy was there with friends, one of whom have served in Vietnam.
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So as soon as he heard the first shots, Cindy's friend turned their table over and he, Cindy, and the others hid behind him.
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Amazing. People eventually tackled the gunman and he's currently serving life in prison.
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Sad but interesting twist. One of the victims, Dennis Scharf, was wounded during the shooting and paralyzed.
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He lived until January 2013, but died from complications from his injury, bringing Moore's murder tally up from four to five people over 30 years after the fact.
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Luckily, Cindy lived through it all, and she'll be there to dance at our wedding this October.
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I bought the fuck you unmarried sweatpants as soon as they came out, and I can't wait to change into them the minute the reception is over.
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Oh, that's awesome. Some brides buy lingerie. I buy murder pants. Stay sexy and always check for door handles, Val.
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Amazing. So good. Oh, Cindy with a Y. Cindy with a Y-I-E. Cindy with a Y-I-O-T-A.
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Okay. This is called, I went on a date with a sickle-wielding maniac. Oh. Hello.
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Sickle. Sickle. You don't hear that a lot. Hello, all. I used to go to Pilates classes with my mother, with an instructor.
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Stop right there. Which part? Pilates classes with my mother? Pilates with your mom.
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Oh, you know. Okay. With my mother. With an instructor whom she really liked. Oh, mom's always like jeeps.
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Oh, you're assuming it's a man. Yes, I know it is because I read this. Oh, got it.
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He seemed like an okay guy at first. A little nerdy. I really thought I had you there.
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Meanwhile, we pre-read these for like a half an hour before you do this. Yeah, I promise it's a man.
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We'll see about that. We'll see. It's really sexist that you assume that because he seemed like an okay guy at first.
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This is a little nerdy, but not overtly creepy. I don't ever want a fucking nerdy instructor for working out.
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Do you? I want you to be so fucking creepy and yoked in like a like this is your life way.
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Yes. Nerdy doesn't seem to come into the picture. It seems like they just picked up maybe Pilates last minute.
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Whereas, yes, I want I want someone who is. I want a manorexic. He's all keto. Yeah.
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You know what I mean? And he fears bread. His fucking, the volume of his voice is just like almost unacceptable.
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And he's always got those hands on the hips. That's right. That's right. Okay. Nerdy, but not overtly creepy.
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I then had a private session with him in which he did some sort of sacral massage.
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Uh-oh. Wait, where's the sacrum again? Sacral is your like butt. What's it called?
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Lower back? Tailbone. Okay. Oh. I think. He did some sort of sacral, quote, sacral massage thing, which kind of creeped me out.
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But he stayed on the right side of not groping me. So he let it slide. Okay. Yeah.
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Yeah. Sacrum is like your butt, low butt thing. Okay. So don't touch me there, please.
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Ever. So get out of there. Yeah. I did, however, stop going to Pilates mainly because of scheduling issues.
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My mother has a habit of befriending people she hires for various tasks. And this guy was no exception.
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Apparently, he thought he and I had a connection. And he asked her for my number to go on a date, which she then gave to him.
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And then it says rant for another day. We went on one date in which we made awkward small talk and he showed off some of his culturally
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appropriative jewelry, which he had recently bought. There was zero chemistry. So the next time he asked me on a date, I begged off with some trivial excuse and he
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didn't pursue it further. Recently, my mom posted an article on social media about some maniac who had attacked a
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70 year old man with a sickle injuring him in the arms and hands and then engaged in a five standoff with police after which they finally took him into custody Guess who Her Pilates instructor Turns out he had a history of mental issues and violent tendencies and was a martial arts expert
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He has since been arrested, but my mother is officially never allowed to set me up on a date again.
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Stay sexy and don't let your mother set you up with unstable sickle experts, TB.
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Well, yeah. Then I just start thinking about how many muscles he's intentionally engaging as he's holding that sickle at the police.
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That's right. He engages his sacrum. Yeah, all the way up through the core. His jaw is locked.
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His scalp is tight. That's right. Don't let your mom set you up ever. No, I don't know if they know if they have good taste.
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If you have children in the car and you're listening to this, this is definitely rated NC-17.
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Fun. Ex-husband. Steven, plug your ears. Steven, get out of the room, but keep it recording.
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The subject line of this is ex-husband's grandpa's porn. Oh, dear. Okay. Hey Karen, Georgia, Stephen, and Assorted Animals.
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Before I got married, in parentheses, never again, my now ex and I moved into his parents' in-law apartment in their house.
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Also a bad idea. His paternal grandparents lived there previously and had passed away,
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and some of their items were left in the apartment. My ex was unpacking the linen closet
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and suddenly started yelling for me to come upstairs. When I came up, he was pissing his pants laughing
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and holding an old VHS tape in his hands. apparently he found a box of tapes at the bottom of the closet
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he remembered that his grandpa took tons of photos and had a camcorder running all the time
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my ex said he was wondering what nostalgic footage he would find and he was planning on hooking up an old VCR to watch it
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when he flipped the first tape over to read the handwritten label instead of seeing baby's first Christmas or uncle Fred and aunt Jane's wedding
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he saw printed neatly in his grandfather's handwriting big tits and pink clits we both fucking died laughing and i was tempted to include the anecdote in my speech at the
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upcoming wedding but his parents would have spontaneously combusted so i was sworn to
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secrecy uh but i'm divorced now so fuck it stay sexy and get rid of your porn before your
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grandchildren find it, Laura. Oh, or don't. And like, what if that was just really was just like a baby's birthday, but he was like,
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I'm going to fuck with my grandkids when they go. Oh my god, that would be fucking hilarious.
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Maybe he's a little older, maybe he's going a little organic in the brain. He's like, this is funny, I don't care.
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and the writing's gonna be really small so you can't see unless you're close yeah okay i love it
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damn that made me laugh here's my last one okay um i lived in that murder house shit dearest karen
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nice uh let's jump in yes she wrote that oh i've been dying pun intended to tell you my hometown
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murder from when i was a child in bartlesville oklahoma but i was waiting until i was fully
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hometown murder on one of your minisodes what the fuck as a quick and sloppy refresher in minisode
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26 lana detailed the story of the accountant named steven allen or steve allen who was having an
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affair and one day claimed he saw an intruder fleeing his house so he left his children in the car to check on his wife who he found quote bludgeoned in the house Cut to the end The husband was guilty I was blown away that a fellow Mortarino had a
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connection to my tiny hometown murder. Bartlesville is a tiny town north of Tulsa. Anyway, after going
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through the five stages of grief that my hometown murder had already been told, I realized that you
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all might really enjoy hearing my follow up to Lana's hometown murder. Ready for this? All caps.
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My family was the first to live in the house where Steve Allen murdered his wife after it happened.
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Bartlesville hometown, as told through the eyes of a five-year-old. I was the youngest of four daughters.
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My mom was a stay-at-home mom, and my dad was an up-and-coming computer programmer.
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Read, lots of mouths to feed with not lots of money. We had just moved to Bartlesville in 1992 when I was five years old, and we were in the market for a cheap house.
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I remember going to see the house two different occasions before my parents purchased it.
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I also remember that the house was yellow, at least in my childhood memory it is, because both times we went to visit, I wet my pants.
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In hindsight, I attribute those accidents to my little five-year-old soul, knowing there was something not quite right in that house.
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After having remained vacant since the murder in June 1990, we ended up buying the house in April 1992 and living there for just over a year.
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Sidebar, when I was texting my mom for confirmation that we were the first to live in the house after the murder, she responded in true murderino fashion,
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yes ma'am no one else would touch it my mom has since told me that when we moved in she had to
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scrub blood spatter from under the kitchen floorboards where the cleaners had not thoroughly
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cleaned up there were also still blood drops on the stairs leading up to the attic it was one of those pull down ladders in the where Steve had hid the murder weapon a ball hammer after the attack It was wrapped in toilet paper as I understand
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The story told by neighborhood kids was that the man was angry that his wife would not let him buy a big-screen TV, so he killed her.
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Yeah. Seems reasonable enough at the time. These same neighborhood kids told me that you could cook spaghetti on the grill, so my sources were questionable at best.
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needless to say good and should needless to say lana's hometown filled in a lot of the missing
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pieces for me i didn't even know their names or that poor sandra was only 30 years old at the time
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sad face honestly i don't remember a lot from living in that house but i do remember the
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mailman who called me staple head then it says playing baseball with my sister and i was
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standing too close oh shit says the sister stubbing my toes every damn time i walked
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outside without shoes, an orange tabby named Riley who forever cemented my love of cats,
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and eating robin or mac and cheese with my mom before a half-day kindergarten. If living in the Bartlesville murder house wasn't the thing that made me a murderino,
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then a steady marathon of forensic files every Friday night during my adolescence sure did
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the trick. I hope my follow-up, Palmtown, has given you as much joy as it gave me to
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hear my own tiny hometown murder on your podcast on a chilly Wednesday in October.
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