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Hi. Hi, guys. Hi there. Hi. Thanks for having us. This one. I mean, seriously. We got all dressed up for you.
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Yeah, I got super dressed up for you. Look at this haunted theater. We got this theater dressed up for you.
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We're haunting this theater for you. This is, look at this. I know. There's like crazy statues and shit.
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I know. What if that one came to life? It was one of those fake statues and she was like,
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wouldn't that be funny? I grab you. Then I get pulled in. Now I'm cement. I have to stay here for 500 years.
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Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I would love that. So many good shows coming up here. I get to watch all of them from the side.
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It's your dream come true. I apologize for my outfit, everybody. I've done it again.
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You look great. Your nails look great. That's right. Let's focus on the nails. Thanks.
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It's a metallic Sally Hansen. Anyway. Anyway... Tell them about it. I had to... They're taping more episodes of Guy Branham's talk show, The Game Show,
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which is a show that I do. Thank you, 75 people. And so we had to tape them all the way up until last night,
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and then I got on a red eye. With a layover. With a layover. I know. Don't worry, she was in first class.
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before you feel too bad for her. No complaints, no complaints. But, yeah, when I went to leave the hotel room,
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I had, like, actually dress choices. I was doing all these things. And then, of course, couldn't find my tights.
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So anyway, also the conditioner at our hotel is cilantro scented. And that's why my hair looks like this,
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because I don't fucking like cilantro. Oh, that's right. She hates cilantro, but also, why the fuck would anyone want anything that smells like cilantro?
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I like cilantro, and I don't want my fucking hair to smell like cilantro. In your hair?
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What? It's not even one of those scenes where they list, like, here are good things for your hair, like jojoba and blah, blah, blah, and cilantro.
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Cilantro. If you want your hair to smell like old guacamole, get over here. Get over here.
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I was like, fuck this, and I put it outside the shower. Then I was in the shower like, I should have brought the cilantro conditioner with me.
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So anyway, we're just going for it. It's my new look. It's my new look. Thank you.
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It's my new look. Oh, you guys. Okay. Vince told us on the way over a story. Who hears from Lakeland?
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Lakeland? Do you guys know that last week or something? Recently. Someone in your town on a horse got a DUI.
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What the fuck? I feel bad for the horse. What if it's the horse that was drunk? Oh, that'd be cute.
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She's on the horse and she's like, I'm so sorry about my pet. she just loves beer so much
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she does this I was only in CVS for 20 minutes and she just I think she brought a flask
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a horse flask and but Tampa you guys were like we're gonna one up you you guys brought a fucking
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active serial killer guys guys wow thank you so much for that you shouldn't have
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you truly You shouldn't have. Yeah, that's scary. Georgia was like, yes, so should we still go to Tampa?
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This was like two or three weeks ago whenever I like they fix it by then Don worry They fix it You haven You haven fixed it yet for us But Vince did point out he goes
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but if while you were here, you guys got them, it would be pretty legendary. So we go apprehend.
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Here's what we do, yeah. We put on a hoodie. No, it's terrifying. It's fucking terrifying.
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It's crazy. You guys, Florida. I thought this was, what do they call it, the safest place in the world?
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No. No, they do not. This is one of those cities where when we, or states really, like in Madison, Wisconsin,
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I was like, I can't find a murder to do. There's so few. And then we were going to Tampa, and it's like, uh-huh.
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Yep. We'll be fine. We'll be fine. I just started looking like three hours ago, and I was just like, hmm, my choice of everything.
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Okay. Plus an active serial killer. And in addition, both. Yeah. The last time I was here,
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I love it. It's just so fucking crazy. I know. We do a thing where we're like, we like true crime,
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and we're going to talk about it. And then it's like, it exists in the world. It's a real thing.
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People experience it on a date. Oh, yeah. He could be here tonight. Look around you.
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I love it. Did you say Steven? I said, don't say that, but Steven. Steven. He's not here.
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He's not here. And actually, I know it's heartbreaking. Actually, we've never seen Steven in the same room as the active Tampa serial killer.
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I'm just saying. Oh, my God. I'm just saying, consider all your options. Vince, we solved it.
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Vince, we did it. We nailed it. Vince keeps saying this phrase. he can't stop saying smothered and covered
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because the moment we realized we have a you guys have a waffle house here? I've never been.
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I know. Have you? I went, I was there at one, at night, and the New Year's Eve at 1 a.m.
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Oh. In Tampa, probably right over here. It was the most depressing, scary place I've ever been in my life.
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Was that back when you were dating Pitbull? Yeah. You know me and Pitbull when I was in high school?
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He would take you all around to all the waffle houses you wanted to go to? It was insane.
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I was sad. But this time, it's going to be incredible. We're going to be smothered and covered, everybody.
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Yeah. Apparently. So you get, like, waffles? Yeah. Just get a stack of waffles? Just get a stack of waffles.
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Stacking waffles like pancakes is the best idea I've ever had. That's incredible.
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Whoa. Also, oh. No, let's stay on the stack of bean waffles for a while. Let's talk about it.
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I'm out of my mind right now. Is it because you took a red eye? I think so. I drank too much coffee, so we're in a good place right now.
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This is going to be fucking fun. Oh, by the way, this is my favorite murder. That's Karen Kilgariff.
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That's Georgia Hartstark. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We got a fucking box full of a bunch of different kinds of Girl Scout cookies backstage.
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Can you fucking even deal with it? We couldn't. Karen immediately grabbed the, what's the ones you like?
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Dosey-dos. Yeah. They're very 80s, but I love them. Right. And I grabbed the Samoas because I'm not.
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Who fucking cares about Dosey-dos? You can have those. I guess I can have them. I'm the kind of person that would pick a
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like a dessert item less people like so I can have more of it that's my thing where I'm like I don't care I like
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them just no one will touch mine no one's gonna be like can I try one of those? I don't want to try one
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people are like that looks like some kind of a fiber cookie you can have that you can have that Girl Scout
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fiber cookie all to yourself yeah that's your thing meanwhile what are Samoas are like
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they basically are like a Twix from Hawaii That's exactly right. Right? They're going for it.
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Oh, my God. Hawaiian Twix. Right. Everything I want. So the woman who gave them to us, the name was Alice.
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Thank you, Alice. Are you here? She's scared. There she is. She is fucking... There's one...
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She's currently being killed by the Tampa serial killer. Her friend wouldn't even be like, right here.
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Sure, her friend sucks. No. No. Alice, I'm sure you have lovely friends. Alice, stop it.
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She said, my love for true crime started when I was a kid. In eighth grade, I wanted to be a forensic pathologist.
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And then for her research science project, she witnessed autopsies and interviewed a pathologist.
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How cool is that? And that was in eighth grade? Eighth grade. So you're 13. you're like puberty has just kicked in and you're like let's see some dead bodies
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that's how i'm going to deal with this horror show of life most people i think most normal people
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so nobody here including us include mostly us would be like well i'm not going to eat something
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that that crazy person just gave me and i'm like oh let's eat all these girls that cookies that
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girls and be best friends with her and so she um she went in high school she interned assisting
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with autopsies and worked with a pathologist to ID does by cross-referencing them with missing
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persons reports. So she's like an original web sleuth person. It's the best. In high school I stole the varsity letterman jacket of the guy I liked put it on got into a car and locked the door and wouldn get out So same thing So there all these different ways to deal with being in high school
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You know, some people, some, you know, we're all heroes. In our own way. In our own way.
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So we picked out our least favorite Girl Scout cookie box. And you guys can have some.
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Here, pass these out around. Go ahead. thank you you represent the audience now don't eat them loudly
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no you have to pass them around she holds them over her head like yes I won I won the lemon
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girl scout cookie contest Alice thank you so much thank you Alice she works for the girl scouts now
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she transitioned out of dead people and now she works for the girl scouts she's so much better than us
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what are you going to do It's all a contest. Did you see, speaking of holding it above her head,
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did you guys watch the baseball thing? The series? Some fucking dude grabbed, this girl caught a baseball for the World Series.
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Dude grabs it out of her hand, throws it back. Well. I know. It's a thing. Here's what I loved about it, though.
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He actually, right, he grabbed it out of her husband's hand, right? Because she was like, yay.
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And their husband's like, look at this, and turns to his friend. And that guy, if you watch the clip, his eyes are so wide with crazed rage.
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He's like, we do not keep those. It was like the weirdest look on a person's face I've ever seen.
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His eyelids were not touching his irises at all. He was just like baseball rage.
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You know, the wife was like, I guess we have an extra ticket. Terry, yes, your best friend Terry can come.
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I don't like being around him, but this is exciting. Maybe we'll bond over. Just don't make me sit next to him and we're not going out after him.
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It's fine. Terry can be there. That's fine. Terry can come. And then hopefully my dream of catching a foul ball will come true.
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From the other team, even though we're at a different stadium. Still, it's a wild, wild dream.
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It'll never happen. I know. And then, good old fucking Terry. Fucking Terry. What a dick.
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There's a reason he didn't have a wife there. Is he here tonight? Terry, are you here tonight?
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Terry's longest relationship is three months. You know those guys? Yeah, I'm making fun of people.
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We do. What else about baseball? Hey, oh, our rug is here. Oh, good, yeah, the rug that we wove.
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We made this. We made this. We made this. Our grandmas started it. We finished it.
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This is from the new line of my favorite murder rugs. You can order them on. It actually could be.
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My favorite. My favorite murder rugs. No, I mean, Georgia is such a mogul. She's just like, we can make rugs.
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Is that your dream? Let's make that dream come true. It's happening. It's not very financially responsible.
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No, it doesn't make a ton of sense. I'm doing it. But at least one person would be like, you guys, I've always wanted a murder rug.
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Good. Here you go. If we did murder rugs, it could just be like cutouts of beige carpet
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that look like a crime scene. That's such a... Hold on. No one steal that. This is being recorded.
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It's our idea. It's being recorded. That and stacked up waffles. Steven is at this very moment listening at home trademarking this idea.
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Sending it into the copyright company. He's only doing one hand, though, because his other is stroking his mustache.
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This is a good idea. Imagine if you're walking through the rug section in Ikea and you're like,
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floral, classic Indian. Oh, what's this? Oh, human fluids? Okay. It's a look. It's a certain look.
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Abnormally cut with a fucking razor blade. Pull it up and it also has the padding on the back that the blood soaked through.
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Come on, guys. Think about all the horrible shit you've seen. This is a good time to tell the people who don't know what this podcast is.
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Oh, shoot. It's very much a true crime podcast. With comedy elements. Some people don't like it.
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Super sorry. It's not for everyone. No. And some of you might even be here tonight.
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Some of those everyones might be here tonight. What if we looked up and there's just a troop of Girl Scouts sitting right there.
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Crying. We're joking about the rug. get those girls out of here just kidding yeah so that's what this is should we sit down i think
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we should yeah it's time look at these gorgeous things like brand new director's chairs you do
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this you do that do that i'm a director that's right we're gonna get you a bullhorn is that how
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it works yes that's exactly how francis ford coppola directed all of the uh all of apocalypse
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now. Give me that thing. Go over there. Go over there. I'm Francis Ford Coppola. Give me that.
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I went to film school. Obviously. I feel like this theater is normally used to put up the play
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as you like it. And that's all. It's so amazing looking. It is. And then we're just here talking about crime.
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I mean, baseball and crime. Yeah, our two loves. This theater's like really bummed right now.
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The ghost of this theater's like, I thought they were going to show another As You Like It again.
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It's so sad. That's the only play I can think of is As You Like It. Can I tell you the truth?
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I don fucking know what that play is I just went with it You know what it is I tell you I went to film school not theater school I went to neither I didn go to fucking college
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That play, just in case this comes up in the future. Okay, on Jeopardy. It's a play about two gals
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that go to the Waffle House. And they're like, do I have to get it smothered and covered?
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And the waitress is like, no, you can get it as you like it. Boom. Oh my god. I'm taking an improv class.
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That was incredible. Thank you. It's because I've been up for hours traveling with America.
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Scene work. Is that what scene work is? It's me going like this. Oh, I don't know.
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Yeah. I don't really know. And I did go to theater school. But I hated it because they always made you try to stand like a fucking praying mantis or something.
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It's just like I'm not interested in this. Yeah, this isn't gonna get me there I just want people to believe me when they're giving me a lot of money to be on camera. That's right
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That's all I want all that matters All right, did I ever tell you this story about my dad telling me that Kevin Costner was his favorite actor and then right
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I was like really and he goes yeah, the only thing is I don't believe anything. He says when he's talking
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No, that's not what acting is so what do you like his hair like what the fuck do you like about that guy?
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That doesn't make any sense. I think it's because these Kevin Costas really into golf.
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So it's my dad. Oh. Maybe he likes the parts he picks. My dad likes Sugar Ray, the band Sugar Ray.
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What? What? Yeah. How? I don't know. He heard a song on the radio once. I don't really like that band, Georgia.
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Hey, you know the band Sugar Ray? Hey. Did he buy a CD here? I think he bought a single.
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Oh, shit. I'm not fucking kidding. Marty, he's dedicated to Sugar Ray. Yeah. And he loves cassettes.
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I think he's really sad that his new car has a CD player and not a cassette player.
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Yeah, but that makes sense. But does he know cassettes are coming back? Are they?
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Yeah, they're making a comeback big time. I'm going to, no. No? Don't you miss, were cassettes a part of your musical experience, mostly CDs?
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Mostly cassettes. What did you say? Almost completely cassettes. Oh. What'd you think I said?
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I thought you said mostly insects. You know. Shit. I'm losing my mind. Like, uh-oh, this conversation is changing.
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I don't know how to go with it. How do I go with insects? Just nod and say, oh, I've heard of that play.
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Yes. I love that play. Cassettes completely. When they came in the thong thing and you could snap them out and I'd steal them when I was a kid.
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I was a real shitty kid. In the store? Yeah. Oh, fuck yeah. You'd snap him out of the arm.
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Wow, Georgia. Terrible kid. Don't have kids. No, don't steal. I'm sorry. Don't steal.
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You go first, yes. Okay. Thank you. All right. So this one's real fucked up. Great.
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And I'd never heard of it, even though there's a hundred insane parts about it. And I've never heard of it, maybe because I was in high school when most of the crazy shit took place.
00:24:51
And when you're in high school, you don't pay attention to anyone but yourself. Yeah.
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That's when I plucked my eyebrows back to the middle of my eye. Exactly. Because I couldn't stop staring at myself in the mirror.
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You're busy plucking every eyebrow out of your head and not watching the news. Yep.
00:25:08
So this is the story of the serial killer, Oscar Ray Bolin. See, when they're applauding, they mean they hate him.
00:25:18
That's right. For the people that... For the newbies. for the boyfriends and girlfriends who don't listen to this podcast
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and just got a chill down their spine because people were applauding for a serial killer.
00:25:31
That doesn't translate to fanship of murder. More of, I know this, I stay up at night
00:25:38
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00:25:49
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00:26:04
that would be so boring biggest bummer can we tell them that okay you don't decide
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Karen's not going to want to go to this. I'm not going to tell Karen I'm excited because I get
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Right? Like you don't like fucking things. No, I hate most fucking things. Okay. And I want to go
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to anything that's going to have little food on silver trays. Like, that's my fucking
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We got to go to Casper. What does that even mean? And I didn't trust it. I was like, are you messing with me right now?
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It sounds like a tech startup. It's probably like Northern California. Yeah, that'd be nice.
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This is Northern California comedy. You don't get it. Stay local. Okay. Hey, in Tampa, speaking of.
00:28:05
Oh, that's local. Now it gets a bummer. early in the morning of january 25th 1986 25 year old um her name's blanche holly leaves her night
00:28:19
job um she's a manager at church's fried chicken night manager she that's good is that another
00:28:25
thing we should i've never had it they're like oh it's bad it's gone oh it's bad okay got it
00:28:31
i like the idea that all of tampa has one opinion about that chicken Oh, it's yes and no? Okay, we got it. The answer is no.
00:28:41
Okay, fair enough. Okay, she leaves her night manager at like one in the morning, heads home.
00:28:47
She never makes it home, and later that morning, or like in the morning morning,
00:28:51
a jogger finds her body in an orange grove in Lutz. Ew. Lutz. Sorry. For a second.
00:29:06
For one second, I thought you were booing her, and I was like, holy fuck. It's not her fault.
00:29:13
Lutz? Lutz. But how is it spelled? It's spelled either let's or lutz. L-U-T-Z. I mean, that makes sense.
00:29:23
That's an either or. Yeah. I had a 50-50% chance, and obviously I got the wrong one.
00:29:29
I mean, look. Here's the thing. You were just comparing it to other words you know that are kind of spelled.
00:29:34
You don't call them newts. you call them nuts. Newt's is E-W. I'm just saying this is our campaign, spell it like you say it.
00:29:43
It would help us. We don't fucking live here. We don't like, we don't know what's happening ever.
00:29:56
I hate when this happens and then you have to say this next line Yeah it always this She had been stabbed about 10 to 12 times
00:30:05
The only clue that they had was from the night before. Okay, this is fucked up. Okay, she had left work, she's heading home,
00:30:12
and then a Hillsborough sheriff deputy stops to check. Yeah, it's a great county.
00:30:21
Yeah. So this sheriff's deputy sees two parked cars off a boulevard in Tampa. One of them has their lights blinking.
00:30:31
So he pulls over. Inside one of the cars is a man and a woman. And he shines a flashlight in.
00:30:40
He's like, everyone okay here? And the dude is like, yeah, we're fine. I ran out of gas.
00:30:44
She was going to help me go get gas. And in his mind, he was like, well, that's weird.
00:30:49
Why would she be in his car if they were going to get gas, whatever? And he says to the woman, like, are you okay?
00:30:55
She's like, I'm fine. Everything's fine. And he moves on. But he does check the car registration of the dude's car,
00:31:04
and it's registered to a man named Oscar Bolin. So the day that Blanche's body is found, her car is found there abandoned.
00:31:14
So that was her car. It's about five miles away. they questioned this guy Oscar's friends
00:31:20
they gave him an alibi so they didn't follow up thoughts, thoughts, thoughts, thoughts
00:31:27
give me that Xanax okay the murder that day doesn't get much coverage even though it's this huge story
00:31:36
because it's the exact same day that the fucking Challenger shuttle explodes oh no, god
00:31:41
isn't that crazy? in Cape Canaveral I almost I know what, okay. So that dominates the news, so it doesn't really get any coverage, which fucking sucks.
00:31:52
About 10 months later, 17-year-old Stephanie Collins, she's a senior in high school.
00:31:57
She stops by the drugstore where she works to see if she could get some extra hours over the holidays to make some money.
00:32:02
She leaves to go to choir practice, and she disappears from the shopping center parking lot.
00:32:09
Some friends said they saw her driving by in the passenger seat of a white van. And she said that they were waving at her, but they didn't realize anything was wrong.
00:32:18
I feel like this isn't going to work, but it would be nice if there could be some kind of an alert system
00:32:23
that we could make up with our eyes or something. You know what I mean? Where if someone has a knife in your gut and they're like, don't you fucking say a word?
00:32:31
And then it's like, everyone's supposed to be like, no, officer, we're fine. And you're like, I am fine.
00:32:36
Or whatever. That's not going to work. But if there is a system of some kind, what would it be?
00:32:41
Like a tongue maneuver. Yeah. I'm fine. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe you should take me out of this car anyway.
00:32:53
I'm fine. Yeah. There's just so many stories like that that are so awful. And you know it kills the people that actually saw them and didn't do anything.
00:33:03
It's horrible. Absolutely. Her disappearance, fucking massive month-long search.
00:33:08
but eventually they find Stephanie's body in Hillsborough County, Florida. She's wrapped in sheets and has blunt force head injuries,
00:33:17
and she's stabbed as well. On that exact same fucking day that she is found, police also discover the body of Terry Lynn Matthews.
00:33:26
She's 26 by a railway line in Pasco County, Florida. It's about 30 minutes away.
00:33:33
So they're 30 minutes away. um she had not so terry had i mean stephanie had gone missing the night before and terry had gone
00:33:41
missing um a month no no terry gone missing the night before when they just happened to find their
00:33:47
bodies in the same fucking day which is bananas okay so she had been ducted abducted the night
00:33:53
before from outside atlando lake's post office sorry you mean the butter yeah it's a real place
00:34:01
it's an actual place I didn't know until I tell this I just fucking have a nervous breakdown
00:34:11
that would be that would be amazing that's my breaking point that I find out Land O'Lakes
00:34:16
is real yeah is that girl still kneeling holding the butter by the lake out of my mind
00:34:28
okay it was all over butter I love butter yeah so okay here's what happened Terry had left her boyfriend's house
00:34:39
and was driving home and decided to stop off and this was late at night decided to stop off at her post office box
00:34:45
to get her and her family's mail which is like fuck dude I get it I've done that a million times
00:34:50
you have a post office box what? you have a post office box yeah I have a post office box
00:34:54
even now I'm bragging yeah everyone's super impressed yeah So the boyfriend and Terry's family, that night, or like she should have been home by now, they go out looking for her.
00:35:07
They find Terry's car in the parking lot with the door open and mail scattered all over the ground.
00:35:14
I know. So they find her body the next morning. She had been stabbed in the neck and chest and beaten repeatedly over the head.
00:35:22
She's also wrapped in sheets. And so at this point, the authorities know a serial killer is on the loose.
00:35:28
they um track fibers to all three uh of the victims they all match and um but for four years
00:35:36
the case goes cold and there's no fucking leads so sit tight for your fucking serial killer everyone
00:35:43
sorry i get dark sometimes it's different times though that was yeah fucking 40 years ago or
00:35:52
whatever Yeah So what I haven slept in days Look at my hair Good Let me have ten numbers
00:36:10
She told you that. Okay. Until 1990, when police receive a call on one of the Crime Stoppers fucking places.
00:36:22
Oh, yeah. A man says he knows who killed the three girls, and they, I guess, somehow figure out who he is,
00:36:31
because it's not anonymous, apparently, or he gives them up. I don't know. He says it's his wife's ex-husband is the killer.
00:36:40
So he fucking rats out his new wife's ex. Can you imagine how satisfying that was?
00:36:44
Must have felt great. Ooh. Ooh. Okay, so the ex-husband is our friend, the piece of shit, Oscar Ray Boland.
00:36:52
He was born in January 1962 In Portland, Indiana Fucking once fell off a roof and hit his head
00:36:59
Classic The usual His family owned a carnival And he had worked there I know Red flag
00:37:10
Unless it's fun Unless it's like a fun carnival But Shit Yeah Right? Because like then
00:37:19
It's almost like then just think of every carnival worker you've ever seen Oh, it's a carny.
00:37:24
Okay. Intense. Also, long haul chucker. Like, can we get a few more on the list, please?
00:37:33
It's a bit on the nose, actually. Right. Did he hate his mother? Probably. Okay.
00:37:41
His mom said that he was a little odd. Oh. So then I wrote, and the dick bag was already in prison.
00:37:48
That wasn't a cut and paste. Those were my words. Wikipedia. the dick bag was already in prison serving 22 to 75 year sentence for the 1987 kidnapping and
00:38:00
rape of a waitress who worked at a truck stop cafe all right here let's here we go oh jesus
00:38:06
christ that's humongous i know it's pretty big get me away steven did steven like crop that
00:38:15
picture because that's unnecessarily large i don't know i don't think we can blame this one on steven
00:38:20
Okay. I just don't... It's a lot of face. I mean, please feel free to blame it on Steven. I mean, we do.
00:38:29
I do feel so free. Here's the thing. I don't know if this one... I don't know if back goes...
00:38:34
Just try it. Alright! Nice. I did it. Thank you for making that go away. Um, alright.
00:38:42
So, so he's in fucking prison. The ex-wife named Cheryl tells investigators that she was
00:38:48
with him, Oscar, when he was casing the church's chicken restaurant, but they went home
00:38:54
and she fell asleep, and then at 2 a.m., he comes home and wakes her up. He fucking spills the contents
00:39:01
of a woman's purse on the bed, tells her that he killed someone, and that she has
00:39:06
to help him clean the car and fingerprints and dispose of other evidence. And she's like, huh.
00:39:16
Let me think about this. What have you done for me lately? Did you fix that sink?
00:39:25
Okay, we'll do that first before I help you. Honey. Oh, man. So he's charged, Oscar Ribble is charged in 1990 with all three murders
00:39:36
and undergoes three trials, one for each victim. In Stephanie Collins' case, it came out that there had been, okay,
00:39:45
so there had been a note in her purse that they pulled out at the trial. The name on it said Ray and a series of letters and numbers that fucking correlated to Oscar Ray Bolin's license plate.
00:39:57
Oh. Which means they think that he was either stalking her somehow or that maybe they had been a little fender bender and had written down his information and put it in her purse.
00:40:08
And they also think that our first victim, Blanche, that maybe when they pulled over on the side of the road
00:40:16
that he had given her a fender bender too. By the time the cop came, he had a gun on her.
00:40:22
So that might have been his fucking M.O. Okay. It's just going to make it hard when we all go and have fender benders next time.
00:40:31
It's just going to make it that much more difficult. I'm going to get arrested. I just will never stop.
00:40:36
It will be a fucking... You rerun someone, then you just stay in your car. You won't get out.
00:40:40
And then they're like, it's the other way around. If someone hits you, don't get out.
00:40:45
Not if you slam in the back of someone's car. Anytime you drive your car, don't get out of the car.
00:40:51
There. Fixed. Fixed. At Terry Matthews' trial, so Oscar's half-brother, Philip Bolin,
00:40:59
comes forward to testify. At the time of Terry's murder, he was 13 years old. He said he saw his older brother beating a woman who was wrapped in a sheet.
00:41:10
Oscar claimed the woman had been shot in a drug deal gone wrong. And then he saw or heard Oscar kill her.
00:41:20
And it turned out to be Terry Matthews. And 13-year-old Phillip then helped him get rid of the body after the killing.
00:41:27
And this kid apologized to the family. He was 19 at the time of the trial. and there's going to be a lot of trials at all of them.
00:41:39
He testifies. Yeah, he's on it. In each case, each of the three cases, Oscar Ray Bones found guilty of first-degree murder
00:41:46
and sentenced to death for each of the three convictions. But wait, it gets worse.
00:41:52
Don't applaud. Okay so in 1995 Florida Supreme Court reversed all three convictions and orders new trials According to the court the prosecution and trial judge erred in allowing jurors to let the wife Cheryl testify
00:42:10
Oh. Because it's protected by Florida's spousal privilege rules. Yeah. Meaning you can't fucking tell on your husband or wife.
00:42:19
Can't snitch. You can't snitch on the person you married, even if he's a fucking horrible...
00:42:23
You know? Yeah, but because you could be all like, hey, my husband's a big murdering dickhead,
00:42:31
and it could not be true. Yeah, but it's a loaded area. I see. I mean, I'm just devil's advocating.
00:42:38
Surely I'm not on the side of the murderer, everybody. So they go back to trial,
00:42:47
and even though the Bolans are now divorced, this privilege still holds, so the husband and wife conversations are confidential.
00:42:59
He's sent back to trial three more times. Each time he's convicted again. Each time he's sentenced to death again.
00:43:04
And again the high court comes back and says that they used part of her testimony again.
00:43:10
And they said that this time the reason they did it was because Oscar R. Bolin tries to commit suicide in prison.
00:43:17
And when his suicide note says, ask my wife, she'll tell you, ask my ex-wife, she'll tell you everything that happened. We can't, dickhead.
00:43:25
But the prosecutors were like, that's him saying he's waiving his rights to spousal privilege. But they're like, no.
00:43:34
He rejects the argument. Okay, so in 1996, over six years after he's initially arrested, he faces
00:43:41
his seventh murder trial. By 2005, he's reconvicted of all three murders and gets the death
00:43:49
sentence for Terry Matthews. That one's upheld. So he's fucked. Okay. Here's this annoying,
00:43:56
stupid part. All right. While he's in prison, Oscar starts dating a woman. That's not even the stupid part.
00:44:08
All these stories make me feel so much more alone. What does he have that I don't have?
00:44:16
I have a huge face just like he does. God. Karen, I'm sure there's a convict out there for you too.
00:44:28
Somewhere waiting in a cell. Steven cut all of it. Shit. Fuck. Good. Okay. Start stating a woman named Rosalie Martinez.
00:44:42
Rosalie Martinez, let's talk about her. She's married to a fucking wealthiest shit prominent attorney.
00:44:48
Super wealthy. So she's cheating on her lawyer. Oh, sorry. I'm going to tell you.
00:44:53
Yeah, I know. I'd like to guess how the rest of it goes. She's married as fuck. She's got four daughters.
00:45:02
And they meet while she is a paralegal on his defense team. She's like, I got to have that.
00:45:10
Yes, I've read all the fucking case files. Yes, I've seen the fucking crime scene photos and watched the mothers of the fucking victims cry in court, but I got to have that.
00:45:19
She's just like, I've never seen a face that big. I have. Two kisses. I must make him mine.
00:45:27
There is that thing, though, with the, you know, when things are taboo and forbidden.
00:45:32
You know what I mean? I'm sure if it was just like, I'm sure if her husband was just like, could you go ahead and have an affair with a thing?
00:45:39
And she'd be like, ooh, that guy? That's gross. but she knew it would be like the worst possible thing.
00:45:44
That's like the thing of like when you look over a balcony and you're like, what if I jump?
00:45:48
It's that. Yeah. Romantically. And most people are like, oh, that makes it sound romantic.
00:45:56
I know. It's kind of a romantic suicide situation. You know. So she fucking leaves her family
00:46:04
and marries fucking Oscar A. Raleigh in prison. Wait. Has she not heard about affairs?
00:46:11
Well, she can't even phone him. He's in prison. Oh, okay. Has she not heard about that?
00:46:17
That's your solution. Has she not heard about therapy? About mental health? Nope, none of that.
00:46:24
No? Just cheating. Go straight to cheating. Okay. She divorces her husband, and she marries him on live TV in 1996 to an audience of $12 million
00:46:36
by phone from her apartment. her sad beige apartment that she moved out of probably her mansion
00:46:45
out of she's got one really nice vase though she's like this is mine she probably has a framed photo
00:46:53
of this giant vase while they're getting married they get married on 2020 what? remember the show 2020?
00:47:01
yeah do they get married on fucking 2020 that's dirty I know I really, really don't like this
00:47:10
I mean, she sucks She sucks and there's obviously, like you said, there's a serious
00:47:16
mental issue happening where it's like what exactly is your long term relationship goal here?
00:47:22
Yeah, well, it is that she fucking believes him innocent and her goal is to make
00:47:27
so one of the reasons for all of these fucking trials and all these things that happen is because
00:47:34
of her and her money and because she was a paralegal so she knew all these rules.
00:47:41
So part of the reason that these families of these three young girls had to go through 10 fucking years, almost 30 years of trial
00:47:48
and all this stuff is because this woman had the money to help him. Oh, my God. Yeah.
00:47:53
And the wherewithal. Is that a word? Oh, want to see them? Sure is. Nope. No, uh.
00:48:00
That's them in love? That's them. Can you imagine being one of those four daughters,
00:48:07
and you're just like, Mom, can I talk to you? In the other room? Anything you want to say to me can be said over this,
00:48:17
through this prison jail in front of your stepfather. You know what I mean? Just say it.
00:48:30
Fuck. Yeah. Well, okay. So she also goes on the fucking Montel Williams show. Oh, girl.
00:48:37
No. Jesus. And also the half-sister of Terry Lynn Matthews goes on, and she's a fucking, this chick's a badass.
00:48:46
She, like, tells her what. And Montel Williams says to her, even, that if he ever gets out of jail,
00:48:53
you better hope your four daughters aren't walking down the street when he's out looking for a victim.
00:48:57
That's right. Yeah. give it up for Montel. I feel like and also don't forget that you can mail your gold
00:49:09
necklaces into a company and get cash for gold. Another strong message Montel has
00:49:15
sent America. Never forget that either. My dad worked for one of those companies.
00:49:22
Yeah. He's unpacking necklaces while Sugar Ray's playing in the background. Is that the four poster bed?
00:49:34
I love that song. That's the worst song ever written. Georgia, have you heard that song?
00:49:39
It's a dad song, I guess. Okay. So she insists he's innocent. She says she's his guardian angel.
00:49:48
But here's my thing, too. He's in prison. When he got caught for these crimes, he was in prison already for raping and kidnapping a woman,
00:49:55
which he pleaded guilty to. So even if you do truly believe he's innocent, which he's fucking not,
00:50:00
He's still in prison for rape that he pled guilty to. So stop it. She even brought one of her husband's Armani suits for him to wear to trial.
00:50:12
Wow. Her ex-husband. She's like yoink out of his... I bet that ex-husband and the rest of the family was just like,
00:50:20
we're going to move away and just like got the hell out. Yeah. Okay. So 10 murder trials almost 30 years later.
00:50:29
on January 7th, 2016, he files one last appeal, but he's denied. It's the day of his execution.
00:50:36
He spends three hours with his wife, eats his last meal, and then he's taken to the room.
00:50:43
More than 30 witnesses, including the victim's families, are waiting out of sight before the execution.
00:50:50
Asked if he had any last words, he says, nope. He says, no, sir. I'm going to say, nope.
00:50:54
10-16, 2016, he dies after my lethal injection at 53 years old. Whoa. So, yeah. And then a week fucking later, the state of Florida's like,
00:51:13
well, you know, we're not going to do executions anymore. Yeah. And I feel like they were, like, holding their breath, waiting for him.
00:51:21
They just wanted to get him the one last one? Yeah. Because they were like, let's not make the families go, because if he can appeal again,
00:51:29
I believe it. Yeah, it just keeps going on and on. So they were like, shh, shh, don't say it.
00:51:32
Okay. Governor, could you not sign that? Just not this week. I have a story to tell you.
00:51:39
Okay, so he's linked to another murder of a girl named Deborah Diane Stowe, who's 30 from Greenville, Texas, as well as a couple other Tampa area murders that he's
00:51:51
suspected of. But there's no forensic evidence, apparently. Let's see. And so Terry, Stephanie, and Blanche's mothers all stood together throughout all the trials.
00:52:05
They all went to each other's daughter's trials, all of them. All three were always there together with each other.
00:52:11
Terry and Stephanie's mother were there to see Oscar die, be put to death. Blanche's mom had passed away by then.
00:52:18
Stephanie's mother said that they're my rock. We're unfortunate we're together, but we're fortunate to have each other.
00:52:24
And they called themselves the Sisters in Sorrow. So that's fucking Oscar Ray Bolin.
00:52:29
Wow, that was amazing. Thank you. Shit. Sorry to bum you out. No, no, I just was like, just don't be a Rosalie.
00:52:44
Just in life. oh and she was almost going to be on the casey anthony um uh prosecution team what yeah
00:52:53
and then they were like looked into her background for a hot minute and they're like that might be
00:52:59
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00:53:05
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00:55:26
Oh, my God. And just a couple years before yours, I'm doing the serial killer Bobby Joe Long.
00:55:35
Oh, my God. Yeah. This is a heavy hitter situation. He is one of those heavy hitters, and I'm sorry, Tampa,
00:55:43
but it's just a bummer. You guys gave us no room for, like, a grandma who poisoned her husband.
00:55:53
Like, nothing that was, like, charming. Whimsical. We love a whimsical murder. You guys were like, nope, we're getting it done.
00:56:03
There's no room in Florida. So, I guess we just start talking about him. Bobby Joe Long was born on October 14, 1953 in Canova, West Virginia.
00:56:18
His parents got divorced. Raheem Canova's awesome. His parents were divorced. Bobby Joe shared a bed with his mother until he was 13.
00:56:28
Oh. Yeah, you're not going to, that's not going to produce anything good. How much are beds?
00:56:36
Let's ask Casper Mattress. Casper Mattresses. What if he bought me a diamond shaped like a mattress?
00:56:46
I'm just saying. This party is going to be amazing. Night of our lives. It's going to change everything.
00:56:56
Oh, I wrote, it was here that experts theorize began his hatred of women. But here, there's a couple other factors that are insane about Bobby Joe Long.
00:57:07
One of which is, he was born with an extra X chromosome. So because of that, during puberty, he grew breasts.
00:57:16
Do you think that that's a fun thing for a boy to have in junior high in Florida?
00:57:23
Or West Virginia, wherever the fuck he was. So that was, he was horribly, horribly teased, of course.
00:57:31
Severely, they said. Then he suffered a series of bad head injuries. Yes. Not just one, a series.
00:57:39
So at the age of five, he was knocked unconscious from a fall off a swing, and one of his eyelids was skewered by a stick.
00:57:50
I didn't have to say that part. I wanted to. The following year, he was thrown from his bicycle, crashing headfirst into a parked car,
00:58:00
and he lost a couple teeth, and he had a severe concussion. He was, when he was seven, he fell off a pony onto his head.
00:58:11
Was the pony drunk? Oh my God. This was the child version of the drunken horse. It grew up to be.
00:58:19
Yes. This fucking horse has been terrorizing Florida. We're sleuths over here. Fucked up.
00:58:29
They said that he said he remained dizzy and nauseous from that head injury for weeks afterwards.
00:58:34
No, it's great. It's great when that happens. If that happens, it's totally fine.
00:58:38
It's perfect because then the rest of life is easy and you don't become an obsessive rapist murderer.
00:58:46
The following year, he was thrown from his bicycle. Oh, no, I just read that. I was like, fuck, this is crazy.
00:58:53
I'm rereading things. Okay. So then luckily when he was 13, he met a girl named Cynthia at school.
00:59:01
He started dating her, and then he was like, I don't think I want to sleep with my mom anymore.
00:59:05
So he moved out of his mom's bed. Amen. Good call. And he ended up dating Cynthia all through high school,
00:59:17
and they got married in 1974. But six months before their wedding, he was hit by a car while riding his motorcycle,
00:59:25
and his head hit the pavement so hard it shattered his helmet. So... Wear helmets, everyone.
00:59:34
Don't have kids. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. So I think we're up to, now that's 19 head injuries at this point.
00:59:44
And one good eye injury. Don't forget about that one. Jesus. So Cynthia says that his temperament changed after that accident.
00:59:53
He was always like short but now he became physically abusive and they have two children and he becomes she said he developed a strangely overt compulsive and often dangerous sex drive
01:00:07
She ends up filing for divorce in 1980. So after the divorce, he moves in with a friend named Sharon Richards, and Sharon Richards later accuses him of rape and battery.
01:00:18
he ends up moving to the next year he moves to Long Beach, California to take an underwater
01:00:25
welding course which is, you know he was like, what do I want to do with myself besides
01:00:33
hit my head on every fucking thing I pass where would I be safe? Underwater the kids that said really slow
01:00:43
okay so, but this is So now, of course, the awful transition into horror. There's a thing in California.
01:00:54
I don't know if it's national. It's called the Penny Saver, which is basically a free.
01:00:58
It's like a free circular. Yeah. And it's just one ad. So just all like come and buy my dishwasher and shit.
01:01:05
It's how you'd get a kitten when you were in the 80s. Yeah. Right? Yeah. You were like you as an eight year old would look through the Penny Saver and you'd be
01:01:13
like, I want a kitten. I guess I'll walk to a stranger's house alone. Um, so his, he makes up this thing.
01:01:23
He starts looking through the penny saver. Um, he calls people who are selling small appliances.
01:01:28
He'll go to the house. If the woman is home alone, he has to use the restroom, pulls out his rape kit, and then
01:01:34
he brutally rapes and robs the woman. Oh my God. So he does that a bunch of times, uh, in Long Beach.
01:01:41
Um, and he's tried and convicted for rape in 1981. he requests a new trial it's granted and then the charges are dropped
01:01:50
and he moves back to Florida so he basically like just a glitch in the system he got to leave
01:01:55
so he comes back to Florida in 1983 and he's in Tampa so yeah that's right but it's 1983 so don't be upset
01:02:04
over 22 years ago so in the fall of 1983 Bobby Joe Long is charged with sending an inappropriate sex-infused letter and photographs to a 12-year-old girl.
01:02:19
Oh. Earning him a short jail sentence and probation. He's like an internet visionary.
01:02:27
If you want to be slightly positive about Bobby Joe Long, he was dick-picking it long before anybody else.
01:02:36
Through snail mail, even. Okay. That's not funny, Karen. Okay. During this time, his new thing was he would scout for sales lines on houses,
01:02:48
hunt through the classified ads for furniture and other items. And then he would, once again, this was the penny saver move that he did in Long Beach,
01:02:56
where he would go into people's homes and rob them. According to police, in this time, he raped more than 50 women doing this.
01:03:05
What? Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. So then in 1984, he escalates to murder. So they said that Hillsborough County had, you can cheer for it, but there's been a lot of problems there.
01:03:25
Hopefully they've been solved. On the bright side. Hopefully, maybe. Hopefully this doesn't happen that much anymore.
01:03:32
So they had been averaging 30 to 35 homicides a year in the 80s in Hillsborough County.
01:03:39
Then Bobby Joe moves back to town, and that number begins to skyrocket. Oh, shit.
01:03:44
So he was at the time on probation for assault, but he starts driving around areas where he knows sex workers walk
01:03:52
and where there are dive bars where women who could possibly be drunk and leaving the dive bars are so that he can go pick them up.
01:04:01
On May 13, 1984, the dead body of a nude-bound young female is discovered by young boys late in the afternoon in a remote area
01:04:09
of southern Hillsborough County. She's lying face down. Her hands are tied behind her back.
01:04:13
She's gagged. There's a rope around her neck like a leash. Her feet are spread five feet apart.
01:04:19
So he's deliberately staging this body in the most horrible way he possibly can.
01:04:25
Her clothing and belongings are never found, and her body was very... The decomposition was really advanced,
01:04:33
so it took them a while to determine that the cause of death was strangulation. She's identified as Lana Long.
01:04:40
She was a 25-year-old Laotian woman who worked as an exotic dancer in Tampa. She was last seen in her apartment complex near the University of South Florida,
01:04:50
and she had been missing for approximately three days. Two weeks later, on May 27th at 11.30 in the morning,
01:04:57
the body of a young white female was discovered in an isolated area in eastern Hillsborough County.
01:05:02
She was found nude. There was a pile of clothing near her body. She was on her back.
01:05:07
Her hands were bound at the waist. There was ligature around her neck. Her throat had been cut.
01:05:12
She sustained multiple blunt trauma injuries to the head. And her hands were bound with some kind of a clothesline.
01:05:19
And there was a ligature at the neck that was made of the same kind of rope. And it was tied in a hangman's noose.
01:05:25
And there was three to four feet of rope extending from that noose. And she also, her upper arms were bound with what looked like to be a green man's T-shirt.
01:05:35
So there was a composite drawing of the victim made and released to the media, and she's identified as Michelle Denise Sims, a 22-year-old Native Californian
01:05:43
who was last seen the night before walking with two white males near Kennedy Boulevard.
01:05:49
She was also a known sex worker. So victim number three on June 24 1984 the body of another young white female is found in an orange grove in southeastern Hillsborough County fully clothed She in an advanced state of decomposition There no ligatures
01:06:06
The victim wasn't found near an interstate as the other two victims had been. So the police didn't connect her death to the other two bodies that had been found.
01:06:14
And so, of course, in the initial stages of the investigation, they're looking at her boyfriend.
01:06:19
And he failed a polygraph. So they think they're basically positive it's the boyfriend.
01:06:25
But then they send evidence to the FBI lab, but because there was no connection to the other two bodies,
01:06:31
the FBI lab didn't try to find what was on the other two bodies, which were red nylon fibers on both of those other two victims.
01:06:40
So that does come up later. But she's identified as Elizabeth Laudenbach, a 22 of Tampa.
01:06:47
She was an assembly line worker who had last been seen 7 o'clock on June 8th. She had no criminal history.
01:06:54
So the fourth victim, and these are coming every two, three, four weeks. So it must have been horrifying.
01:07:02
October 7, 1984, the nude body of a young black female is discovered near Posco-Hillsborough County Line.
01:07:09
It doesn't matter. What if I just fell backwards out of this chair? I love my job
01:07:25
Posco? Pesco Pesco, you say? Have you ever cared more about the sound of a county
01:07:34
than you do tonight? Okay Her body is found lying next to the dirt entrance of a cattle ranch
01:07:44
and her clothing is next to the body her bra is tied in a knot and hanging on the entrance gate.
01:07:51
So she's in advanced state of decomposition, her head more so than the rest of her body.
01:07:56
And eventually they find a gunshot wound to the neck, which is determined to be the cause of death.
01:08:03
And she's eventually identified as 18-year-old Chanel Williams. And she had previously been arrested for sex work.
01:08:11
She had last been seen the night of September 30th by a friend. They were working together on Nebraska Avenue.
01:08:17
and pretty good spot. Okay. So her friend says that she had been picked up by a John
01:08:28
and she told Chanel, please, they were going to go to a motel really close by. She said, please walk over there
01:08:34
so that by the time you get there, like you can check on me and make sure everything is okay.
01:08:38
Oh my God. And then Chanel doesn't show up to check on her. so then a week later on the morning of October 14th 1984 the body of a white female nude from
01:08:50
the waist down is discovered in a remote orange grove in northeastern Hillsborough County 30 feet
01:08:56
from a dirt road apparently dragged from the roadway she was on a gold-colored bread spread
01:09:02
there was a blue jogging suit tied outside of it her hands were bound in front with a red and white
01:09:07
handkerchief. Her right wrist and legs and feet were all bound with string, and there were ligature
01:09:13
marks on her neck, and she'd been struck in the forehead and strangled. And she's identified as
01:09:19
Karen Beth Dinsfriend. She's a 28-year-old sex worker who had been working in that same area that
01:09:25
all the rest of them had, and she was last seen in the early morning hours of October 14, 1984.
01:09:31
So immediately when the cops get there, they see the body, they see the ligatures, they see
01:09:35
everything and they're like, this is the serial killer. We've got another body. And when they
01:09:40
send all the evidence to the medical examiner, they find red nylon fibers on her. So then on a
01:09:48
week later, I think actually it's less than a week later. It's like, no, it's a week later. I can't
01:09:54
add. A week later, the nude mummified remains of a white female are discovered near Highway 301
01:10:02
in northern Hillsborough County. No clothing, no ligatures, no really any physical evidence
01:10:08
are found at the scene. And due to the amount of time that the body has been exposed to the elements,
01:10:14
there's no fibers, there's no hair, there's no evidence on her at all. And she actually doesn't get identified
01:10:21
until after he is arrested. And then when she does, she is Kimberly Kyle Hopps. She's a 22-year-old white female
01:10:30
last seen by her boyfriend getting into what he described to the police as a 1977 maroon Chrysler Cordoba.
01:10:38
So then a week later, I can't imagine, a week later the remains of a female were discovered near Morris Bridge,
01:10:46
just north of the Hillsborough County line, and her bones were scattered around a large area,
01:10:53
and they found a ligature on an arm bone, and then they found just a ligature by itself,
01:10:58
A shirt, some panties, jewelry are all found there, and some head hairs. And all of that helps identify a woman named Virginia Lee Johnson,
01:11:08
who was an 18-year-old white female originally from Connecticut. She was a sex worker who split her time between Connecticut and the North Tampa area.
01:11:17
Two weeks later, on November 24th, the nude body of a young white female... I mean, it just fucking keeps coming.
01:11:22
The nude body of a young white female is found face down in an incline off of North Orient Road,
01:11:28
in Tampa. She'd been there less than 24 hours. There was a pair of blue jeans and a flower top
01:11:36
next to her. She was wearing knee-high nylons. And basically, the police put together that the
01:11:42
killer had pulled off the road and thrown her body over this incline. And she, again, had the
01:11:49
ligature mark. She had all the signs of this same serial killer, all of the signatures.
01:11:54
Oh, my God. And she's identified as Kim Marie Swan. She's a 21-year-old. She works.
01:12:00
an exotic dancer, and she was last seen walking out of a convenience store near her parents' home
01:12:04
at approximately 3 o'clock in the afternoon on November 11th, 1984. So scary. So this part is kind of my favorite thing, because as you know, I love the show I Survived.
01:12:20
It's my favorite show. It's the best. So in the middle of this string of murders, in September of 1984, 17-year-old Lisa McVeigh, her life is fucking hell.
01:12:33
So her home life is awful. And when she's 13, she's being physically, emotionally, and sexually abused at home.
01:12:40
So she decides to move in with her grandma when she's 13. And then her grandma's boyfriend starts sexually abusing her.
01:12:47
It's awful. So by the time she's 17 years old, she's suicidal. And she just feels worthless.
01:12:54
And she has a part-time job at Krispy Kreme Donuts that she goes to after school.
01:12:59
So she goes to her part-time job one night. 17 years old, her boss asks her to work a double shift.
01:13:07
So she ends up closing that night alone and riding her bike home at 2 o'clock in the morning.
01:13:13
No, no, no, no, no. How old is she? 17. 17, yeah. No. And she says in this episode of I Survived, which you probably saw,
01:13:21
But she says she had that night before written a suicide note. She was that bad.
01:13:28
Like she felt that terrible in her life. So she's riding her bike home from work.
01:13:33
And I'm just basically retelling. This is her story. You can watch it on I Survived.
01:13:37
It's amazing. And so she's riding her bike home. And she passes a church parking lot.
01:13:42
And she sees one single car in the center of the church parking lot. And immediately gets a bad feeling.
01:13:48
And gets really scared. and a second later someone pulls her off that bike onto the ground.
01:13:54
And she looks up and she feels a gun to her head and she looks up and there's a man standing over her.
01:13:59
And he pulls her to his car. And in that moment she says she realized she has to start paying attention to what is happening.
01:14:07
She has to, so if she lives, she can say what the fuck happened. So she sees it's a red car, it has spoked wheels.
01:14:14
She gets into the car, he lays the passenger seat down so she can't be seen. he blindfolds her
01:14:20
but she said all of her other senses just like came to life so she sees that on the dash there's the word magnum
01:14:27
is on the dash in front of her she can see it underneath the blindfold she can hear that the car
01:14:32
needs a tune up like it's a shitty car it's so awesome and she can hear that the
01:14:40
wind changes from driving on normal streets to getting onto the interstate so she knows that they have gone
01:14:46
a little far away from where they were. He takes her, he walks her into this house. He takes her into the house,
01:14:53
puts her in the shower and shower bathes her basically. Um, and she says, then he starts
01:14:59
acting like romantic. Like it's like their boyfriend and girlfriend, he's being sweet to her.
01:15:04
Yeah. Um, she says she's like pair of course paralyzed with fear and she's just decided she's
01:15:10
going to do whatever he tells her to do. She's going to do whatever it takes to survive. Yeah.
01:15:14
Which she said, you know, the quote she has is, here I was thinking about killing myself, now I'm going to be fighting for my life.
01:15:21
Yeah, it's really awesome. So he says to her, you're going to show me a good time tonight, and if you do that, you're going to be okay.
01:15:30
Yeah. He throws her on the bathroom floor and rapes her brutally, and then takes her back into the bed, ties her to the bed, blindfolds her, and rapes her, like, all night.
01:15:42
He ended up keeping her for 26 hours in total. But she said in the middle of that, like at one point, he kept going into that weird boyfriend mode.
01:15:52
At one point, he took her hands and had her feel his face. So then, yeah. Which is like, so she's immediately, she's like, you have thin eyebrows, a thin mustache, pockmarked skin.
01:16:05
She fucking goes, yeah, she goes right into like reading his face. she feels where his hairline is she's like i'm fucking i'm going she said she thought to herself
01:16:17
i'm going to outsmart him i'm going to tell him what he wants to hear and i'm going to outsmart
01:16:21
him and i'm going to live yeah um it's i know it's awesome so as they're talking she decides
01:16:27
she going to try to appeal to that sweet personality that kind of comes out so he starts asking her about herself and she like i an only child lie my father very sick lie If I am gone he will have no one in this world complete lie
01:16:45
He asks her to describe to him when in high school the other girl's getting changed in the locker room.
01:16:52
And she, because of her abuse, never changed in the locker room. She was always in the bathroom by herself.
01:16:57
She said she's really ashamed and, you know, of course had a lot of issues about that.
01:17:02
but she just fucking made up a bunch of shit. She was just telling him everything he wanted to hear.
01:17:06
And at one point she said, he said to her, what am I going to do with you? And she said, I think deep down you're a good person.
01:17:13
I will be your girlfriend. And he, yeah, it's amazing. So he said, no, we can't do that.
01:17:20
And then he says, where do you live? And so he puts her back in the car and he drives back.
01:17:27
He's dry. He puts the blindfold back on her and he's driving her back home. So as they leave the area that he lives in, she's peeking out from underneath the blindfold.
01:17:36
And they drive by a Quality Inn and they drive by a Howard Johnson's. And so she's like, walk.
01:17:43
He drives her to some parking lot. He hugs her and says, I'm sorry for what I did to you.
01:17:49
And then says, get out of the car and walk away. And then she hears the car drive away.
01:17:56
Oh, my God. She fucking pulls her blindfold off and like drops to her knees and is like, holy shit, I lived through that.
01:18:02
Then she realizes he could fucking come back. So she just starts running home. And she said every car that passed, she would duck down behind a car.
01:18:11
She said it was the middle of the day. She must have looked insane. But she was, of course, completely traumatized and out of her mind.
01:18:18
Well, then she fucking gets back to her grandma's house where her fucking piece of shit grandma's boyfriend is,
01:18:24
who opens the door and is so enraged that she has been gone for a full day without telling them where she is,
01:18:31
that he starts beating the shit out of her. What the fuck? So finally, the grandma's like, you know what?
01:18:39
That's enough. And she calls the police. So, yeah. I mean, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ.
01:18:47
So she goes to the police. And she's like, get your pens and pencils because I've got some fucking information for you.
01:18:59
Red car, spoked wheels, Magnum, blah, blah, blah, all that shit. Oh, also, when she was in the bathroom, at one point he let her go to the bathroom.
01:19:06
And he was going to make her go to the bathroom with the door open. And she said, I can't.
01:19:11
You have to let me close the door. And he said, fine. She closed the door and just started touching everything in the bathroom.
01:19:16
So in case she died, at least her fingerprints would be everywhere on the bathroom.
01:19:21
I mean, it's insane. So because of the information, and when she tells them the Quality Inn and the Howard Johnsons,
01:19:31
that's the area where all of these women were last spotted in this series of murders.
01:19:37
Okay, so they put it together. Yes, and so they end up looking up car registration,
01:19:42
and they find a red Dodge Magnum is registered to one Robert Joe Long. So they, oh shit.
01:19:51
Is your last page gone? Yep. Well, listen. What ends up happening, that sucks. But essentially what ends up happening is they arrest Bobby Joe Long,
01:20:04
and I think we have that picture. Wait, hold on. Can you do it? I screwed up, and so the next picture I'm going to go by.
01:20:08
Wait, hold on. Okay, this is. Okay, wait. Okay, now this is going to. It's just that forever.
01:20:14
Okay, but then it's going to be that, and then that. There he is. Okay. That's Bobby Joe Long right there.
01:20:20
Gross. So he's arrested and he is, I'm going to have to do this off the top of my head, but he's, they basically, when they take the evidence from Lisa's body, they find the red nylon fibers that were on all of these corpses that they found.
01:20:37
and they connect so they know now that he is connected to this. And so they basically tell him, he immediately confesses to the attack and rape of Lisa.
01:20:48
And then they say, well, and also we have this connection and it's these fibers are from your car
01:20:55
and they're also on all of these victims. So then he confesses to all of those murders.
01:21:00
And he essentially ends up getting like, I wish I could read it. It's like 26 fucking terms in prison or whatever.
01:21:11
It like six life terms and all this stuff Yeah they got him on all this stuff And he is of course they give him the death penalty
01:21:22
And then right around that time, you got the last guy because he was supposed to be executed in the electric chair.
01:21:32
Or executed. I just made that up. It's not the electric chair. I don't know. However you do it.
01:21:38
By wolves. I think that's how they did it. Yeah. So they commute his sentence to life on death row, which he is still there now.
01:21:46
Shut up, he's still alive. He's still there now. Let's go get him, you guys. But Lisa McVeigh had always, all her life, wanted to be a policewoman.
01:21:59
And so she ends up joining, would you do the next picture? She ends up joining the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office.
01:22:07
Look at her! Isn't that good? It's so good. I love that. I do too. Oh my God. And she said, and you can watch it, but at the end of the I Survived, she said,
01:22:33
because they always make them say, I survived because, and usually it's like people who are like on a weird boat accident,
01:22:40
They're like, I survived because Jesus was on the boat with me or whatever. She goes, I survived because of the coping skills I learned as an abused child.
01:22:49
And I survived because I outwitted and outsmarted Bobby Joe. Wow. Yeah. Pretty sweet.
01:23:03
More of the Lisa McVeigh story, really, than anything else. Great job. Yeah. Well, shit.
01:23:09
Those were heavy. Guys, listen, I think we have time for a quick one. I think we do.
01:23:19
Tell them the rules. Oh, so we'd like one of you to come and tell us your hometown murder,
01:23:25
but you can't be so drunk that you lose your place in your own story. You can be drunk.
01:23:31
Just handle your shit. And you can't be too far away. Sorry, upper deck people. it's such a rip off
01:23:40
okay four people are pointing come up here Vince is here you have to go to Vince
01:23:48
yeah yeah yeah she's running in heels yeah yeah yeah that guy okay when you turn the house lights down
01:24:01
if she sees everyone she'll freak out yeah it's scary oh hi hi guys Can we turn him down?
01:24:13
I swear, it's so scary. Thanks. There she is! Hi! She walks out with her own microphone like she brought it.
01:24:21
Hi, I'm Elizabeth. Hi, come in here. Oh my god! What'd you say, Elizabeth? Yes. Hi!
01:24:26
Hi, nice to meet you. Hi! Hi, lovely. I love you, Mike. Oh, we all match. Thank you.
01:24:31
Where are you from? West Palm Beach, Florida. You guys know it. Fancy, right? Not really.
01:24:37
Oh, okay. That's all we know about it on the East Coast. West Coast, where are we?
01:24:43
What's your hometown? So this technically is not my hometown. It is my mother's.
01:24:48
Oh. Thank you. And this is the murder of Joseph Yablonski. Okay. So it's a Pennsylvania mining town.
01:24:58
Okay. And it's like dying. Because of course it is. Yeah. And they're starting to form like a miners' union,
01:25:06
but there's these two guys who want to be in charge of the miners' union, and one of them is Joseph Yablonski,
01:25:11
and the other guy is this guy whose name I don't remember, but like he's important, so remember him.
01:25:16
You're in the right place. And so that night, the evil guy, the one whose name I don't know,
01:25:24
goes, I want a hit on Joseph Yablonski, not like in a hot way, but like a kill him way.
01:25:29
And so New Year's Eve, the hit takes place, I guess to cover up the gunshots or something.
01:25:36
So Joseph Yablonski is in his house. So is his wife and his 24-year-old daughter.
01:25:42
So the entire family is shot and killed, execution style. And everybody in the miners union goes it that guy Like it him And they aren found for four days till the sons come home
01:25:59
It's like, it was really bad. Yeah. And so everybody in the miners union, like, once they go back to work, they walk out and
01:26:09
say, the police need to investigate this. Get on that. And so. Police love it when you say that.
01:26:16
Yeah. Get on that. Get on that shit. I have a personal connection to this murder.
01:26:21
My grandfather worked for the police station at that time and also at the funeral home.
01:26:26
What? Yeah, he had two jobs. He could do it all. Yeah. So a little personal detail.
01:26:34
But so eventually they're like, they figure it out. Yeah. And it's like a giant deal in the town because somebody got straight up murdered.
01:26:43
A whole family. Like a whole family got straight up murdered. But I bring up my grandfather because since he worked at the funeral home, he has a special detail.
01:26:53
And the daughter was getting ready to go out for the night. And so she had her hair in curlers when she was shot.
01:27:01
And so the blood dried. And they took it out when they found her. And it was, like, stuck there.
01:27:09
Awful. That's just a few months. All right. That's amazing. Good job. Good job. Thank you.
01:27:21
Give it to Elizabeth. Elizabeth, everybody. Yay. And she gets to keep that microphone.
01:27:28
Our gift to her. Oh, that was good. Yeah. I mean. Yikes. Stop bossing us around.
01:27:38
It's insane. You guys, this has been. Tampa, thank you. Genuinely amazing show. Thank you so much.
01:27:52
It's, you know, it's so exciting to us when tickets go on sale for our shows and then they sell out and everyone gets mad.
01:28:01
And there's all that. It's such an exciting thing to try to do something like this
01:28:06
and have such an amazingly strong response. We feel so lucky, genuinely, to be doing this as our job.
01:28:12
It's ridiculous. And I also want to say, and people kept asking us this, was Florida the town I wouldn't, the state I wouldn't come to?
01:28:19
It was not ever. I fucking was like, we're going to Florida because they have so many murders.
01:28:24
It was not Florida ever. You really, it's your thing. So thank you so much for being here.
01:28:31
Thank you. We appreciate it so much. Thank you. And don't forget to stay sexy. And don't forget to stay sexy.
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Goodbye. There's always a point in the day when your feet decide they've had enough.
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Especially if you've been running errands, traveling, or my favorite, just standing around.
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And that's where Reef comes in. Reef has been known for comfort since the 1980s.
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While many people think of their sandals first, they now make comfortable everyday shoes as well.
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Like women's Neptune, a lightweight everyday slip-on shoe with a crushed back heel so you can wear it traditionally or step on the heel and wear it like a slide.
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It's lightweight and breathable, which makes a noticeable difference if you're on your feet for long stretches.
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You know, we got some of these shoes. I know, they're so cute. They're super cute, but they are really lightweight.
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You don't think about that. Sometimes when I'm wearing like those heavy running shoes, they weigh your feet down.
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And these Reef ones are like super kicky and comfortable. Check out the Neptune on Reef.com.
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