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Mini-sode. Hometown mini-sode. It's a mini-sode, guys. So don't get involved. Keep it light.
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Yeah. And get ready to move on quickly. Don't. If you're on like a quick treadmill run or you have like a quick commute,
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Okay, these are ones that you guys have sent in to My Favorite Murder at Gmail that I'm going to read to Karen.
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Awesome. Yeah, I haven't read these. Okay. So these will be a fun surprise. Yeah. Let's see here.
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This one is called... I can't read you the name of the thing, but... Karen, Georgia, Stephen, and various animals.
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I just finished listening to Minnesota 83, where you ask for secret life reveals, and my friends have been begging me to send this story in, so here we go.
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Back in the 70s, my parents were in a bowling league. Over the years, you get to know other people in the league, and you all become friends, acquaintances, whatever.
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One of their friends always invited my dad to come over for taco parties, but he never went.
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I don't know why, but all the, it's like, mm-mm. Taco parties. Taco parties, no.
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Fast forward a bit and one night my dad and his friend Sam are at the alley when their friend walks in acting very animated.
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He shakes my dad's hand and puts an arm around Sam and says to them something along the lines of,
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Hey guys, I don't think I can stay very long because the FBI is following me. They pretty much blew him off thinking he was crazy.
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The next day comes and both of my parents were at the local grocery store they worked at.
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They were 18 and 19 years old. And who walks in that morning but Sam holding a newspaper.
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My mom said that he looked like he saw a ghost. What's the front page story that day?
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Their bowling league friend from the night before had been arrested for multiple murders.
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Oh, and who was that guy from the bowling league? None other than the killer clown himself, fucking John Wayne Gacy.
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All caps, fucking John Wayne Gacy. Oh, shit. Sam went on to be his defense attorney.
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Oh, whoa. And Sam and my dad are still friends to this day. He wrote a book about it a few years ago and signed a copy for my dad.
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I remember hearing the story from a young age, but I never really thought much of it until I was a teenager and realized who John Lillian Gacy was.
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Doesn't everyone's parents bowl with notorious serial killers? No, just mine? Okay.
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Anyways, that's all I got for now. Stay sexy and don't join bowling leagues with killer clowns, Alyssa.
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P.S. My dad would like to note that it was the Plains PD following Gacy and not the FBI.
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little crazy clown wow that just makes me think of in the i think it was the made for tv movie or
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could have been the real movie brian dennehy is playing john wing gacy and when it gets to that
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part where he's just like he's like drunk during the day and driving around and just like trying
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to avoid the police oh my god like it just made me pick in my mind in the movie in my mind it was
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brian dennehy walking into that bowling alley yeah hey guys the fbi is following me at the bowling
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alley what if they've gone to his taco party and like been in the house and and then he's like who
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likes magic tricks down to the basement everybody oh jesus so insane okay this says the subject line
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is elmer wayne henley confessed on my granddad's car phone wait shut up holy shit we just did we
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just did fucking dean corral yeah coral dean coral right and i oh my god yeah mama i killed dean
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ready oh my god yes okay hey karen of georgia my family is from a neighborhood just outside of the
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heights in houston yeah garden oaks so i was especially disturbed by this week's story which
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is your story he's talking about at the time uh at the time when the abductions were happening my dad
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would have been the same age as a lot of the young boys who were killed. My granddad, Jack Cato, was also a crime reporter for Channel 2.
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In case you didn't know what we're talking about, this is the serial killer Dean Coral,
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aka the Candyman. We did it a couple episodes back. And he is horrifying. A monster.
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He killed 30 boys 29 boys like teenage and younger boys Horrifying Yeah Okay So the granddad Jack Cato is a crime reporter for Channel 2 the local station in the 70s
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So he says, so I couldn't help but wonder if he had covered those murders and how awful that must have been.
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Then y'all got to the confession part and I jumped off the couch, freaking the crap out of my dog.
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I have heard this story a million times. that's because when Elmer Wayne Henley confessed to his mom,
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Mama, I killed Dean. Oh my God. He was using my granddad's car phone. It's in a video you can watch.
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Really? Yeah, on YouTube there's a video of him doing that. Oh, it's so good. Okay.
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My granddad died in 2006 when I was a senior in high school. This was such a big moment in his reporting career.
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They included it in his obituaries over 30 years later. Hell yeah, they did. He was on the scene.
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According to this one, my granddad handed Henley the car phone, knowing that he would be able to hear the whole conversation.
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Then he grabbed the camera, started filming and caught the infamous confession on tape.
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If it's not too weird to say it, warm my heart to be reminded of another part of my granddad's amazing life on one of my favorite podcasts.
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Even if it was about a truly gruesome murder story from my hometown from one anxious, depressed person who loves her therapist to another.
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all around hello stay sexy and don't get murdered xoxo genevieve oh my god that's awesome i for some
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reason at the beginning i assumed this was from a guy and said he at the beginning but um that is so
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epic i killed d mama and they have the other they have her side of the conversation on and that must
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be why that must be how he got it he had it all hooked up yeah that is so legendary she's crying
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he's crying Jesus Christ wow thank you Genevieve yeah well I have a Dean Corll story too
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do you really this says this has been could have met the candy man hello Karen Georgia Stephen
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and esteemed associates Elvis that's you that's my favorite one so far Elvis go get
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your briefcase esteemed associates love the show love you guys can't wait to see
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you in Dallas in November in 1973 when I was 12 years old my mother and I lived in an
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apartment complex in the north houston neighborhood of spring branch my best friend craig also 12 and
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his older brother robert 14 lived the next complex over we were all latchkey kids so we usually spent
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the two and a half hours between school and dinner doing pretty much anything but homework
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the complex had a large courtyard that faced the street and we hung out there a lot farting around
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the way boys do at that age yep teenagers salami and cheese salami and cheese sandwiches on white
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bread with mustard, right? That's boys in the 70s. That's it. One afternoon, not long before the last
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day of school, we were throwing a football around when a guy pulled up in a van. He got out and
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walked over to where we were playing, looking up at the second floor apartments like he was trying
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to find his way around. He was older than us, probably 17 or so, and we didn't pay any attention
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to him until he walked up and started talking to us. He was really nice, tallish and thin with long
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brown wait with long blonde hair and wire rim glasses just said hi and started shooting the
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shit talking about football robert my friend's brother brother spoke with him the most probably
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because he was older the blonde guy invited robert to a party telling him there would be lots of
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girls there and that there'd be plenty of beer and food even some weed if he wanted robert basically
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said no thanks both he and craig were from a pretty religious family and then the guy turned
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to me. What about you? He said, Come on, it'll be fun. I remember feeling that weird tingle in my
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stomach. I'll never forget it. I have felt it a few times since but this was the first time
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something was off. I was always a shy kid. So I looked at the ground and said something about how
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my mom wouldn't let me and I get in trouble if I did, which was absolutely true. Besides,
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I was 12 years old. I didn't even really like girls that much. And yet I damn sure wasn't
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interested in beer and pot. He didn't seem mad or irritated. He just said something along the
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lines of that's too bad man catch you next time and he got in his van and drove off and that was
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it until a few months later when i saw his picture on tv i recognized him right away his name was
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david brooks he and elmer wayne henley assisted serial killer dean coral for years by procuring
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boys for coral for coral to rape torture and murder then bury in a boat shed and benches
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i remember during my teen years really resenting my mom's strictness but then i would remember that
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it was likely the very strictness that kept me off the torture board attended to by the Candyman, and I'll
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cut her some slack. Thanks for listening, stay sexy, and never, ever, ever get in
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the van. Yours, Glenn. Oh my god. Dude. It's so creepy. Yeah. Like, but you could just
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do that back then. Yes. It's like wandering hippies starting up conversations was totally de rigueur.
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No one even thought about it. Like, that they would want to talk to young kids would make sense yeah oh i know thank god those boys
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were like that's together and smart and religious like that alone i feel like saved them from
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doing anything because they knew satan was in their presence they could feel him yeah they
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could feel satan amen um mama mama mama mama killed dean all right this one's called vicarious
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encounters with infamous men okay hey mfm crew all right what up i've been a fan from the very
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beginning earlier this week i was having a couple beers with my dad we have a strange relationship
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you ready for this yeah we have a strange relationship since he spent 17 years in prison
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in new york state for killing my mom when i was three and a half wow and i read that i was like
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great job steven wow great job picking this one i know okay she says i know i know how can i still
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see or talk to him, right? I'll just say it's complicated. Not right Shit We don I mean yeah It your father I get it There lots of there lots of things And understandable that alcohol involved when you guys hang out
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My mom didn't even kill anyone and I have to fucking drink around her when I'm with her.
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Look, I mean, you only have two parents. I mean. The enormity of that. Yes. It's just like.
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No one will ever understand that unless they've gone through it. Yeah. And who knows what the dad said.
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I mean, who knows? anyway who knows who knows yeah anyway for the she says anyway i'm not saying it to you anyway
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karen anyway uh anyway for the first time this week i really got some details about what prison
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was like he apparently only ever spent a month in quote the box or solitary confinement because
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he refused to snitch on a guy who started a fight with him he said having a reputation as a snitch
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stays with you the whole time you're inside the only thing worse is being a convicted child master
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He was in Attica for a while, and he said that he used to play Pinochle with David Berkowitz,
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the guy who was Son of Sam. I mean, I hope this isn't a lie, but if it is, it's great writing.
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It doesn't seem like... Pinochle is the funniest card game that you could name. And you're playing it with Son of Sam.
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With Son of Sam. Fuck. Great, just great contrast. I love it. While he was there, he and a guard would make each other laugh by walking by Mark David Chapman's cell
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and singing John Lennon songs. No! what the fuck holy shit all in all a pretty fucked up situation
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but it has occasionally yielded some interesting stories I love you both and I hope that next time you're in Philadelphia
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we can hang out and be BFF I'll make you cookies in the meantime stay sexy and don't get
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murdered all do the same smooches to you and Steven and the animal crew XOXO Steph
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Steph I mean that's fascinating What an interesting person. Her. I mean, her. All of it.
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Yeah. Also just that the experience of a person, you know, like the inside prison experiment,
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all those shows, it's also, I'm, cause I'm sure it's hellish and terrible, like the night of or whatever.
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It's all just like this huge panic, but like kind of anecdotal stories about being inside prison is,
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It's like, it's pretty boring. Right. It becomes like, you know, you're 12 years into a life sentence and you're like, this
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but there's probably not much going on. Until someone jumps you in the laundry room.
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Yeah. With a shank. Is that what they use? Maybe they shank you. Maybe they garrot you.
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Maybe you learn to make prison wine. Maybe you are able to order through the guy that gets stuff like a catalog.
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Yeah. get yourself some mushrooms. Top ramen? Oh. Some mushrooms for your top ramen.
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Can you imagine doing drugs and mushrooms in a fucking prison? I think you'd go out of your goddamn mind.
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But I think it's just, yeah, just to pass the time. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Mushrooms would be bad though.
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Goodbye. So this is Deb L. And she says, my hometown murder is me, or rather would have been me
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if not for, well, let me explain. Oh. My profile picture is me in kindergarten in 1967 in Norwalk, California.
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I was a child on the spectrum before there was a spectrum to be on Back then I was just weird Debbie and mostly I was a loner in a crowd of people and this is still true FYI One day I headed to a good
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friend's house across the alley. We lived in an area there was a lot of apartment buildings and a
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few single family homes. To get to my friend's apartment we had to go through the carport. As I
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approached the I know right as I approached the area I saw a man with long surfer hair sitting in
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his car i had to pass by this car but something about him made me wary as i got closer he opened
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up his passenger passenger door from the inside and gestured for me to get in you know as i looked
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into the car i could see he wasn't wearing pants uh and his uh stick shift was present and alert
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uh she doesn't mean the car she does not jesus i ran back to my house while he was screaming for
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me to come back. And then I told my mom what I saw. Let's just say my mom was not a kind woman.
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And I was slapped for describing a man's penis. I was told to never talk about that again. And
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she blamed me. Hey, 1967. Yeah, this was back before people understood how humanity worked.
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We talk about it a lot. Yeah. Let's see. And then moving ahead three more days. I was again
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walking to meet a friend on the other side of the same apartment building. I mean, her mom was just
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like get out of here her mom's like hmm my young child just described a naked man in a car screaming
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at her go back outside that was her that's her answer uh i avoided the carport and as i made it
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around the corner i passed a car parked on the road i didn't see the driver as i got near the
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door of the car he suddenly sat up opened the door and grabbed my arm and started pulling me
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into the car fuck i screamed kicked bit hit scratched and clawed my way away from him yes
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Good girl. A woman walking on the street heard the commotion and came running. That's right.
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And he drove off. What if it was like, and then she slapped me across the street?
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Another mean mom came from across the street to hit me in the face. Anyways, I'm in a psycho ward now because people are the worst.
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I didn't tell my mom about the second one because, well, you know, and being four, I couldn't be sexy except to a fucking pervert.
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Wait, wait. Yeah. Four years old? Yeah. Wait. she said six originally wait um nope she was four fuck what can you imagine a four-year-old
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walking around the street we know like even a four-year-old out of a car seat these days makes
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people nervous much less just fucking oh bye mom i'm gonna go take the alley to my friend's house
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i'll be back later when i feel like it yeah i might go bowling i'm four i gotta live my life
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two years later he would grab an eight year old off the street and take her to his Hollywood apartment
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and here's where it gets familiar where he raped and beat her badly and then would begin
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his rapey murdery spree until he was finally caught the man Rodney Alcala I know it's difficult to believe
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being that I was four at the time that I'd remember this however it wasn't until the late 90s
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when I saw a headline with his picture and I screamed because staring out at me from the computer screen was that face from 34 years ago that I
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finally had a name to put with the face. I hadn't even read the article to know what he'd done,
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but I knew he was the guy who tried to grab me twice. Also, ever since this moment, I'm hype.
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My hypervigilance is always on high alert. People think it's funny to come up behind me and startle
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me. It wasn't who. So that's how you earn the right to grow up and stay sexy. Not getting
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murdered way to go deb hell yeah rodney alcalda if i'm pronouncing it correctly alcalda alcalda
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he's the one that was on the dating game yeah that is the that's one of my favorite when that
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one comes on of all those crime shows i always have to watch that one because first of all he's
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such a creep yeah overtly and he was also the photographer right yeah so he'd go to these like
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open call like photo shoots at the beach with like women in bikinis who were like i want to be a
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model and the photographer be like i'm a photographer because i have a camera yeah come
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back to my place and i'll take some photos of you sounds great let me grab my four-year-old child
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oh my god i wonder how many like how many murders are can be attributed to him that were never
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haven't been right i mean if he's doing shit like that and i know he went from like california
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to florida and i mean oh monster he's he needs to get we need to go in depth on that guy let's do
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it um right now let's do it uh give me yours okay i'm not gonna say the okay subject line guys
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you wouldn't believe what stories you get from your family members after years of thinking they
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don't have any cool murder-esque stories so i'm currently in training to be a truck driver you
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guys keep me sane when i'm driving my trainer is a nightmare and on my off weekends i've been going
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to my godfather's house and hanging out with him we start talking about how there's been so many
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things about Bundy on TV and somehow I managed to bring up John Wayne Gacy. Well, my godfather
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very nonchalantly goes, oh yeah, a couple of my buddies stole his toilet before they demolished
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the house. Of course I made him tell me everything. And apparently they were in the area of his house
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and they thought it'd be fun to go up there to go up there before it was completely dismantled.
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So fun. Cause you know, they raised that thing to the ground. Yeah. Um, when they got there,
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they see that Gacy's toilet was sitting out on the front lawn. So like any 20 something year old guys, sure enough, they loaded up and they take it home.
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Ew, no. And years later, guess what? The guy still has John Wayne Gacy's toilet just sitting in his garage and tells everyone.
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Holy shit. Stay sexy and steal toilets, Mason. Amazing. I bet he could sell that fucker.
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Oh, I bet there are collectors that would pay five grand, ten grand for that thing.
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Let's go steal it. Let's steal the stolen toilet. This is just like Nicolas Cage.
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This is the next plot of the Nicolas Cage movie, Toilet. Toilet stealers. National Toilet stealers of America.
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Amen. Amen. This is called, A Serial Killer I Witness Was My Elementary Art Teacher.
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What? Okay. Hello, Karen, Georgia, Stephen, and Animal Friends. That's right. I don't mind that.
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I love your podcast, and I have to thank my twin sister, Lisa, for getting me hooked.
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Lisa. Lisa. We're from a small town in northwest Indiana with a population of just over 2,000.
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It was a pretty quiet place to grow up. My grandma was the one who got us interested in true crime from a young age.
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I can remember my grandma listening to her police scanner and watching CORE TV like it was her job.
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Love you, grandma. Grandma also liked to take us to cemeteries for fun. Fuck, yes.
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I love her. We attended the local elementary school where one of my favorite classes was art with our teacher, Nita Paradis.
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She was an excellent teacher who made her students feel special and talented. Miss Paradis was our art teacher from kindergarten through fifth grade.
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When we came back for sixth grade in 1990, Miss Paradis had left her position and moved away, leaving a very inadequate replacement.
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We had an older sister, Laura, who was freshman at the time. So, of course, we got all of our completely age-inappropriate information from her.
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Yes, older sister, Laura. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The next school year, we found out that Laura, from Laura, that Miss Paradis was actually
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Nita Neary. What? An eyewitness in the Ted Bundy trial. Oh, fuck. She escaped. That's right.
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In Colorado? No, it's the Chai Omega. Oh, in Florida? Yeah. I bet she'll tell us.
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I like that you called it Chai Omega. What is it? Kai. Kai! But it's Chai Tea. I didn't go to college.
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I didn't know. Can I tell you the truth right now? I didn't know what a fucking RA was until you told me, until you started reading that
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thing. I was like, oh, she worked as an RA in the hospital. Cool. Oh, like a highway patrolman.
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Got it. Got it. I didn't. Resident assistant. Listen, yeah, I know. I get it now.
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Look and listen about Santa Monica City College. That's what's up. Boop, boop, boop.
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Okay. So this is really exciting because I reading a stranger beside me or the stranger beside me by Anne Rule right now and so this is a fucking okay anyways be sure like let do it we have another sister nita was an art major and a member
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of the chi omega stupid sorority at florida state university she returned to the sorority house
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after a date entering the house through the back door nita heard heard footsteps coming down the
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stairs. She remained silent and hidden in the shadows and became an eyewitness to Ted Bundy
00:26:44
leaving the house. She helped a police sketch artist come up with a rendering of Bundy and
00:26:49
later identified him in a photo lineup and in court. Of course, we later heard rumors that she
00:26:54
was in our small town as part of the witness production program. Oh, we still aren't sure if
00:26:58
that was any truth to that. But either way, our small town was probably a nice place to lie low
00:27:03
for a while. Anyway, just wanted to share our little town's connection to a notorious serial
00:27:08
killer thank you for creating a place for true crime lovers to gather without judgment please
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keep doing what you're doing stay sexy and don't get murdered carla carla how what a bummer to find
00:27:19
out after she's gone but it totally was witness protection don't you think like head out and
00:27:24
because but if she's already a teacher then that means she got her degree oh so she this he was
00:27:31
past was behind her he was like within the year i think of that so this was the past was behind her
00:27:39
he was already in jail in jail so maybe she was just like get me the fuck out of my existence
00:27:48
right now but also like she really was the final blow to stopping this monster who killed so many
00:27:55
women yeah including two of her fucking sorority sisters at chi omega upstairs that night where he
00:28:03
walked in and walked out like within like 15 minutes yes it was frenzied don't read the
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stranger beside me i am having nightmares i had a fucking i had a job interview with ted bundy
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the other night no i had a job interview to be his assistant no at his fucking mansion in beverly
00:28:24
Hills. I put my feet in his jacuzzi because I was early. Montessori jacuzzi. The specialty kind Which is so something I would truly do And then at a job interview ted bundy it so symbolic of how show business kills people what jacuzzis you up oh oh karen yes i go deep or
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i'm just reading a strange the stranger beside me the most disturbing book about a person who
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is the most disturbing person that but but ann rule had rules she she rules but she also
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had every tool in the book to look at him and go something's not right and she didn't sense it i
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know even when it's so scary elvis he hit his head his eyes weren't crossed anymore
00:29:14
and he spoke french cat but in french oh i want a cookie are you cookie are you cookie boy
00:29:27
uh he doesn't he doesn't understand what i'm saying no he doesn't we can cut any of that and
00:29:33
all of that well fuck yeah that was amazing that was great carla also one of the last carlas i'm
00:29:39
sure there are very few carlas on the planet anymore that's true they're going extinct great
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name please send us all your fucking just send us your weird shit you know what i mean like send us
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your weird stories that no one you don't think anyone wants to hear yeah we want to hear it we
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do and the people who are listening do but that's it yes so it's and steven and steven send them to
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my favorite murder at gmail tell tell steven tell steven what he needs to know in the subject line
00:30:03
get your shit read. Don't use the word fur babies. I mean, or do it for attention,
00:30:09
but just know that that's really old and no one even enjoys the irony of that anymore.
00:30:13
Do it aggressively if you're going to do it at all. Yeah. Start a hashtag against us.
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Why are you mad at us? Using. All we've been doing. It's just that thing of trying to,
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do you want negative attention? Do you want positive attention? What if the positive attention doesn't work?
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Then you might as well go negative. Sure. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Goodbye.
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