00:00:00
This is exactly right. we've transformed every part of the hair coloring experience from what goes into your color to where
00:00:35
and how you use it. Our salon quality color is made with ingredients that care for your hair
00:00:40
and gives you the freedom to color at home or visit our first of its kind hair color bars and
00:00:46
let us do it for you in less time and for a fraction of the cost of a typical salon.
00:00:51
At Madison Reed, you get more than gorgeous results. You get confidence, convenience,
00:00:56
and award-winning hair color tried and true and loved by millions of women. Come experience it for yourself.
00:01:03
The future of hair color is here at Madison Reed. Bro, from the show last night to this drive, why is it never chill?
00:01:10
Because this is our life. Backstage, on the road, it's loud, messy, real. And that's the best part.
00:01:17
Whole crew, no plan, just moving. Good thing Nissan builds for that kind of chaos.
00:01:22
Not just test tracks, real life scenes. Late nights, road trips, all of it. That's why it holds up.
00:01:28
Nissan was ranked number one in initial quality among mainstream brands by J.D. Power.
00:01:33
Yeah, you can tell. 2026 Nissan Rogue built for what really happens. For J.D. Power 2025 U.S. Initial Quality Study Award information, visit jdpower.com slash awards.
00:01:45
Awards based on 2025 model year, newer models may be shown. You're locked into a lot of things you can't change.
00:01:50
Weather, traffic. Hey, stay in your lane. Your wireless carrier's latest price hike.
00:01:55
But you can unlock a better way. Unlock the savings at Boost Mobile and save up to $600 a year.
00:02:01
Switch to the $25 a month unlimited wireless plan. No contracts, no price hikes, and you keep your phone.
00:02:06
Stop being locked into their games. Unlock the savings at BoostMobile.com slash unlock.
00:02:11
Based on average annual single line of payment of AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile customers
00:02:14
compared to 12 months on the Boost Mobile unlimited wireless plan as of January 2026.
00:02:17
For full offer details, visit BoostMobile.com. My favorite murder Wake up! Hello!
00:02:37
Good morning. Good morning and welcome. To your favorite morning talk show. My favorite murder.
00:02:43
The morning talk show that screams in your face to wake you up. Get down. Get down.
00:02:48
Get up. Get up. Get down. Get back down. Get back up again. And then you're like, what?
00:02:52
what do they want from me? We want just, we want just a couple crunches. Easy. Yeah.
00:03:00
Simple. Just to wake you up. Fun. Fun and easy. Get the blood going. Burpees. Fucking start burping.
00:03:11
What if burpees were not an exercise, but just belching? I would be a fucking Olympian.
00:03:18
You absolutely would. I would. You'd be internationally known. um are burpees the ones where you jump up and go down into a push-up and jump up because i was
00:03:30
thinking of herkies which is a cheerleading jump oh god where you kind of look like a check you
00:03:36
turn your body into like a check mark check and i was gonna be like wouldn't be great work
00:03:41
it's such like oh and you mean your legs go forward check one leg straight out uh-huh and
00:03:48
then the other leg comes up in your knee comes to your chest don't do that that's just back problems
00:03:52
for your life it's like this but in the air okay take it from me everyone at home i'm way up in the
00:03:58
air she just she just showed me one in the middle of the living room was also what am i talking about
00:04:04
i don't fucking know technically what a herky is like you're a cheerleader it's like i'm trying to
00:04:10
get people to email us about things i was a cheerleader by the way oh my god i was a song
00:04:17
leader junior year of high school oh my god those were the ones that like did routine well we we were
00:04:22
a small school so we only had a certain amount of people anyway but you know we did dance routines
00:04:26
to janet jackson's control it's all about control it's all about control that's the only one i
00:04:32
remember um just that we had you know gloves that were white on the inside and blue on the outside
00:04:38
you're like blowing my mind so then you do a lot of this and you switch it like a clown
00:04:44
white to blue like a mime but white blue white blue white blue oh and then one is this way so
00:04:52
it's white blue that's right then change it up and then boom and then change it up five six seven
00:04:57
eight and uh and change it up and then this is my favorite murder put your gloves up by your face
00:05:06
are they whiter are they blue okay this is one of my favorite parts about having this podcast
00:05:11
is I get random texts from my beautiful friends who listen to it, who take the time to listen to it.
00:05:17
Oh, wow. And then, but they sometimes can be months behind. So the other day, my beautiful friend, Sam Pancake, that's his real name,
00:05:26
who plays Dorothy in the live Golden Girls that I told you about and love so much.
00:05:32
I have the mug. Thank you for being a cunt. You got me. It's still like Casita Del Campo.
00:05:37
They started a new run of it. It's amazing. You really should go. but he sent me a text and all it said was fingers and faces and it made me laugh so hard
00:05:46
fingers and faces the best beauty shop name the best worst beauty shop name of all time ever heard
00:05:53
of just cut to the basics fingers and faces from the white Orlando show and I sitting there reading my whatever one of us is reading a murder and I just see in the audience
00:06:06
whatever fucking production had happened the night before maybe it was who could it have
00:06:12
been let's say someone like not too big not too small but so you've heard of them maybe um
00:06:18
let's see it could have been you know it could have been at like um who's the you might as well be walking on the sun
00:06:24
smash mouth thank you steven maybe it was smash mouth you might as well be walking on the sun
00:06:33
for all the good it'll do you you might as well might as well one sad fucking confetti piece that
00:06:41
had been sitting there since the night before slowly falls into this lovely lady's lap in the
00:06:47
front row that's right i was just like it's like she was blessed or she's dead i don't know i mean
00:06:53
it could have been the death confetti. It could have been the death confetti. It could have been so many things.
00:06:58
Dottie? What's Dottie? Is Dottie arranging papers upstairs? Dottie's digging an inanimate object.
00:07:05
Dottie! You go for it. You've been sedentary all day. The joy... Okay, you can cut that out.
00:07:11
The joy of kittens? The joy of kittens. Joy... Fuck, sex. The joy of kittens. That's the illustrated book you need to be reading.
00:07:18
Do you know I have the joy of sex? I have an old copy. I've done it. I used books when I was like,
00:07:22
Well, I'm absolutely buying this. Does that mean, but did anybody write in it? I don't know.
00:07:26
Do they write in it? I mean, that's what, that's the first thing I would look for is like somebody folded up
00:07:30
a piece of paper and stuck it inside. I'm like, try this. Try this with Gary. Maybe Gary will love you now.
00:07:35
Ask Gary to please do this. All I know is that we got me and my friend Katie Neuberger who lived down the street.
00:07:41
She's the one whose family had llamas and they had the old abandoned house on their property
00:07:46
with the bills in the walls. Yeah. I believe, I'm almost positive it was at her house that we look through that book because
00:07:52
her mom was also a nurse and it was so we were starting to look at it like oh yeah and the
00:07:59
illustrations are so technical and like anatomical that we got bummed out very quickly it's not
00:08:07
interesting maybe we should just go swimming instead it's like and i said this last week i
00:08:11
talked about reductress and their hilarious t-shirts but they have one that's like you know
00:08:16
when you see like a cow and it shows you the cuts of beef there's one that's a vagina and it says
00:08:20
the cuts of vagina. No. And this is just like the cuts. It's just in that style.
00:08:28
That's hilarious. I just saw one of theirs on Twitter and it said, girl who promised not to tell anybody
00:08:35
only told two people. And then it's, the picture is so funny because it's a girl
00:08:39
whose face is right next to a bunch of flowers. Like she's all smiling, all proud.
00:08:44
That's me. What about bitch? This bitch brought loose leaf tea to a fucking food donation
00:08:50
it's just like some fuck you can tell this bitch is like some hippie bitch who doesn't wear makeup
00:08:55
because she's gorgeous not because yeah yeah this bitch loose leaf tea uh what about where did i
00:09:00
come from do you remember that book oh yes dude with the fucking guy who looks like george costanza
00:09:05
yes and his wife actually looks like george costanza's parents and it's showing them having
00:09:12
a baby and i my mind was blown well what about the part there is a part where they're explaining
00:09:17
to their child about sex and it's like he they basically say they rub on each other really fast
00:09:23
or something and i just remember staring steven's gonna have a nervous system can't talk about
00:09:28
staring at steven staring steven steven i don't know what that is well i'll tell you it's when two
00:09:36
fat little cartoons rub against each other it was very like i remember staring at it and just being
00:09:42
Like it can't be this. Yeah. Sex isn't just friction, right? It can't be this. Just this little man.
00:09:49
Oh, yeah. It was very confusing. It was a confusing time. The 80s. The 80s and that age and like before you know and then what you think you know and then when
00:09:57
you find out. And how funny it is. But you still can't get rid of the things you thought you knew.
00:10:01
So it is still a little that. And the thing I thought I knew is God can see me and it's wrong.
00:10:06
God can see you, but he's into it. What? Sorry, blasphemy. Is that what they're teaching in the temple?
00:10:12
God damn it. Shit. I'm going to hell. Is there hell? I'm going there. You don't think there's hell.
00:10:20
Goodbye. No. There's something. Bye hell. Goodbye hell. See you. Deuces hell. Peace out motherfucker.
00:10:30
What do you have this week to talk about? Let's see. Besides friction, friction of sex.
00:10:36
Besides describing sex cartoons from the 70s. uh well this is a great email we got hi ladies this is from aaron hi ladies i was at the second
00:10:45
balboa theater show back in october that's san diego right and was happy to get a chance
00:10:50
um to listen to that first show that was recently posted oh it's not fun of course i do immediately
00:10:57
google the betty broderick murder house it's right down the street from me and up for sale
00:11:02
some great realtor spin to quote a home rich in history shut up um because you have to tell right
00:11:11
it says have 2.5 million dollars lying around 2.5 million dollars live in san diego house yeah and
00:11:17
then she she listed it i could say the address right because it's an empty house yeah i mean
00:11:23
like or just say what street it's on it's on cypress avenue oh where van morrison lives
00:11:29
um that was a deep cut um yeah wow that's kind of hilarious would you not would you move into a
00:11:38
place if like murders had happened there would you care like would you take have pause and ask
00:11:42
your girlfriends over drinks or like would you be cool with it i think it just depends on the house
00:11:46
like if it i think you'd have i would have to go in and like feel it out but if it was some
00:11:50
really old house yeah i don know let say like in the 80s or 90s even there was a murder even the 2000s Heard of them I want to you know what I being cavalier right now because I want to say I would But I just thought of the first night in that house
00:12:05
And I would just be out of my mind. I feel like I would be fine, but I bet I wouldn't.
00:12:11
Any noise you heard, though. But I don't care. I don't hear that. Do you? I mean.
00:12:16
But if you. Alone in the house. I mean, anything. I feel like Vince would be more creeped out than I would.
00:12:21
and I would pretend that I was saying no to the house on his behalf. But really, it'd be because I was freaked out to you,
00:12:27
but I couldn't admit it because I have a murder podcast. Yes, that's right. You have to use him as a human shield.
00:12:31
And you can. Always. And he can use me whenever he wants. When he hates wrestling and can't talk about it.
00:12:37
Right. He's really painted himself into a wrestling corner. He has to love it for the rest of his life.
00:12:41
There is no fucking doubt in my mind that that person, Vince Averill, the love of my life, will love wrestling for the rest of his life.
00:12:49
He's going to two shows in the next few days. Is he really? Yeah, there's no worry.
00:12:55
You know what's really hilarious? So many people that I follow on Twitter love wrestling that I feel like I have a good historical
00:13:02
backlog knowledge of, I mean, people post stuff constantly. You should start your own wrestling podcast.
00:13:08
Yeah, you know what? I will. I'm going to call it my favorite wrestling podcast.
00:13:12
I went home after our last recording and watched The End of the Fucking World. Dude, on Netflix.
00:13:18
it's such a good you have to watch it it's everything georgia said it was and more
00:13:23
i binged it all at once it reminds i forgot to mention that thing so i was saying wes anderson
00:13:28
harold and maude my friend domer almost a little oh yeah yeah it's just so gorgeous it's really
00:13:34
well done it's just those brits they know how to do some storytelling and the dry humor yes oh it's
00:13:41
so good but those kids are such good actors amazing such uh i i never want to watch teens
00:13:48
do anything and these teens were the exception they were so it's such a good show yeah watch it
00:13:54
the end of the fucking world um let's see that kid whose dad was like my son's missing and the
00:14:00
cops were like he's probably a runaway and then i was like fuck that shit and hired a fucking
00:14:04
helicopter and found his kids crashed in a car in a ravine no alive 30 hours later shit so like
00:14:10
a couple of his kids were trapped in the car? No, it was just his son. By himself?
00:14:14
Yeah. Oh my God. And the helicopter searched, found the kid, crashed in a fucking ravine,
00:14:19
still alive 30 hours later. He's like, holy shit. This kid's not a fucking runaway.
00:14:23
I thought you were going to mention the... Alive, still alive. The kid was found alive.
00:14:29
Yes, he survived. I thought you were going to talk about the three kids that escaped the house
00:14:33
in Riverside County. Oh, Jesus. That were 12, like children between the ages of 9 and 27.
00:14:40
chained to a wall. It was like 14 kids. Yes, and they're so emaciated they couldn't tell how old they were.
00:14:47
In Riverside. And also the my friend Karen Anderson's the one who told me to look at it.
00:14:54
And she goes, the dad is so upsetting it looks like Jeff Daniels in Dumb and Dumber. Oh no! And he totally
00:15:00
has the weirdest bangs like page boy haircut. It's very disturbing. The parents look very
00:15:06
problematic. Yeah. And have proven to be. Right. those poor children like to be able to still imprison a 27 year old means you've had some
00:15:15
fucking lifelong uh conditioning of this poor kid i'll tell you that when a kid knocked on their door
00:15:25
i bet you this is my theory a kid going around trying to sell like magazines or something and
00:15:31
knocked on that door whoever opened that door whatever the smell was that kid was like sorry
00:15:36
I forgot something on my bike and ran away. Like, don't, don't you think a house like that?
00:15:41
It would just be like, like one weird candle in the, in the background and everything else is dark.
00:15:46
How many? Yeah. Or did they have the perfect veneer and like, no one could tell.
00:15:51
Yeah. Probably not. I want to, you gotta lose. I mean, you can't, you gotta lose that veneer after a few kids.
00:15:58
After the 11th child just chained to the wall. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Okay. All right.
00:16:03
Hello, beautiful. I'm Amy Erick, founder of Madison Reed, a hair color company I named after my daughter.
00:16:09
Forget everything you know about hair color, the mess, the smell, the hassle, the damage.
00:16:15
We're female founded and female led. We've transformed the hair color experience with ingredients that care for your hair
00:16:22
and award winning color on your terms at home or at our hair color bars. The future of hair color is here at Madison Reed.
00:16:31
why is it always chaos when we link up because nobody plans anything bro good thing the rogue's
00:16:38
ready like that for real rain dirt whatever available all-wheel drive five modes we still
00:16:44
outside and they got some kick too that turbo torque is crazy the most in its class it moves
00:16:50
moves rogue doesn't mess around and peep the space merch on merch gear mics all the fits load up we
00:16:58
out. 2026 Nissan Rogue, built for all of it. Auto Pacific segmentation, 2026 Rogue versus latest
00:17:05
in-market competitors in the ex-SUV mainstream mid-sights class, excluding electrical vehicles
00:17:10
based on manufacturer websites. Introducing Taco Bell's new jalapeno citrus salsa with bright citrus,
00:17:17
real red jalapenos, guajillo chiles. Usually you add sauce to the food, but when the sauce is this
00:17:23
good. The food is just there to get the sauce to your mouth. That rolled quesadilla, not a rolled quesadilla anymore.
00:17:30
Now it's a sauce shovel. Taco Bell's jalapeno citrus salsa. Get it with any item on the cantina chicken
00:17:35
menu while it's here. The participating U.S. Taco Bell locations for a limited time only. While supplies last,
00:17:41
contact store for availability. You're first this week? I guess I am, yeah. Is that
00:17:47
correct? Yeah. You were first last week. Okay. Okay so I have been on my couch I sprained my ankle on Sunday Tell everyone I saw the bruise It fucked up It um I rolled my ankle I already sprained both my ankles twice
00:18:06
This is not, I don't find talking about medical problems interesting at all. But this was kind of great because I was walking my dogs with my friend on.
00:18:16
He said, hey, did they redo that house? I look over my shoulder like it's a Gina Tay commercial.
00:18:22
walking the dog one direction but looking backwards and I'm like that house over there
00:18:27
and just step like on the edge of the cement where the cement meets the grass roll my ankle
00:18:34
listen to it snap my friend Don who was behind me said that it turned at a 90 degree angle
00:18:40
and then I went down he said it looked like I look like a stunt woman I went like I went down
00:18:46
like hand hip leg yeah like in a perfect line he really liked it but um it i knew immediately that
00:18:53
it was bad yeah and so i just got up and went in and kept really couch goodbye yes i uh elevated
00:19:00
iced whatever so um tonight is the first night i've gone out and like driven oh no it was fine
00:19:07
if it's if i keep it like you know yeah wrapped in static so you've had a long time to study
00:19:13
I just got really caught up in telling that whole story. I'm like, oh yeah, that's right.
00:19:17
I'm trying to talk about this. So I've been laying in front on the couch. Now I'm talking about that as if.
00:19:22
Kind of a dream. What? It's kind of a dream. Well, also I do it anyway. What I realized is this sprained ankle just made me go, you have to stop living like your
00:19:32
ankle is sprained all the time. You have to stop it. So once your ankle is not sprained, start living.
00:19:39
Leave the house. Yeah. Go ahead and walk somewhere. Because you know what? I guarantee there'll be sprained ankles in the future where you're going to be like,
00:19:47
I wish I had lived my life outside of this. Yes. I always would know that I'd be back here at some point enjoying a sprained ankle.
00:19:54
The couch is forever. You might as well get up and move around while you can. And I feel like my body, because I'm so indignant and I'm so like defiance disorder based.
00:20:05
Yeah. I feel like my body has to sprain my ankle like every eight months just to be like up
00:20:10
off the couch now. Or get you really sick to be like, wouldn't you love to not be here right now on that fucking couch?
00:20:15
Stop living like you're sick and all of your joints don't work. Okay. But since I was.
00:20:22
Okay. There is a Netflix movie called Murder on the Cape. I don't know if you've seen it.
00:20:28
It, of course, immediately came up when it went on to Netflix in my suggestions.
00:20:34
Netflix knows us. What's amazing about it, because I was, and I think you and I talked about this a little bit,
00:20:39
But I got really addicted to those Hallmark Christmas movies over Christmas because my sister kept putting them on as a joke.
00:20:46
But then we'd watch them for real. I love that. That's what Christmas is for. It is, right?
00:20:51
Because you get some hot chocolate. We're all sitting on the couch. And then it's just.
00:20:56
Make fun of TV. It's blather. Yeah. It's a guy in a huge sweater pretending he works at a Christmas tree farm.
00:21:03
Right. But really. And it's always then it's like, oh, she's really smart and type A.
00:21:08
but she had to come to this small town to do something. So, okay. So I see murder on the Cape and I'm like,
00:21:15
that doesn't look like an actual movie and it doesn't look good. And I'm like, and also I wonder which murder on which Cape this is.
00:21:25
It checked all your boxes. Right. What's the thing? It hurt all your boxes. It hirkied right into all my boxes.
00:21:31
But so I looked it up online first before I actually, I didn't want to watch it cold.
00:21:36
I didn't want to waste my time. And the first thing that came up was an article on Decider, the website Decider called, and the headline was Murder on the Cape is a bonkers crime story based on a true story.
00:21:48
So they had already watched it and reviewed it. And we're like, this thing is like the room, basically.
00:21:55
So I stopped reading that article because I didn't want to like, in case I had some of the same thoughts, I want to say that I just read the headline.
00:22:03
and then the beginning of the description, I was like, okay, I'm there. Not plagiarizing this.
00:22:08
Yes, exactly. The word bonkers is amazing, by the way. Bonkers is my favorite word.
00:22:11
Why doesn't they use more? It's so funny. My friend Eric Dordorian on Twitter changed his name to Linda K. Bonkers
00:22:17
and I laugh every time I see it. Okay. Okay. So this, and I highly recommend that you do your substance of choice
00:22:28
and that can be the Bible. It can be a glass of water. but but do something to get yourself in the mood to accept what the television is giving you you
00:22:38
could pour a glass of water on the bible that could be your thing and then light it on fire
00:22:42
but what you should do is get some white wine or ginger ale and southern comfort okay yeah how
00:22:51
about some malibu coconut liqueur okay and uh fanta okay lime okay got it fanta lime and some
00:23:01
And then a twist of lemon. Whatever it needs to be. Karen's just talking about her deathbed wish.
00:23:09
That seriously, I'm going to be like, make me a grasshopper. I almost thought when the Hawaiian nuclear strike thing came to her,
00:23:19
I was like, I mean, I might as well just. This is really bad. But anyway, point being.
00:23:27
I mean, we all get it. Right? Yeah. I'm gonna be back on that or off that wagon the second I have a valid governmental reason the
00:23:36
minute it happens I'm gonna come over and be like hey what you doing with one of those huge bottles
00:23:43
of champagne well I'm not gonna bring it I'm gonna let you because I don't want to enable you oh you're
00:23:47
just gonna discover me like hey hi just wanted to check in on you and then you're gonna be like
00:23:51
that's weird I guess I have champagne too it's gonna be a champagne party um okay so
00:23:57
So, Murder on the Cape The made-for-Netflix movie is quite something, and I highly recommend you watch it.
00:24:06
It is very much like The Room meets a... It's almost, for me, I would actually say more.
00:24:13
It's not so bad as The Room, but there are definitely actors where you say, did you like acting before your friend decided to make this movie?
00:24:22
Or is this something that was like, you wanted to do that this weekend, along with your friend who decided to make this movie?
00:24:28
there's a lot of people making big choices taking huge swings um really going for it
00:24:36
there's a lot i can i could see in my mind's eye these actors going hey hey chuck or whoever the
00:24:44
director is i'm really gonna go for it this time they're like this is what acting is ready yeah
00:24:48
i'm gonna kick my leg and do a dance for some reason that doesn't actually connect with what
00:24:54
my character is doing in the scene. Um, so that's cool. The lead guy, I feel like I saw
00:25:02
somewhere that somebody in this movie is, was in a soap opera at some time. Oh, that makes sense.
00:25:08
I didn't recognize anybody. And the story, the way the murder on the cape story is told
00:25:14
is very much against the victim, in my opinion. It's very much making her look like
00:25:20
she tricked him in, like, and then I thought, oh, I should actually look this up
00:25:24
and see if there's somebody that was in the real case that is connected with writing this movie
00:25:29
because it's just just median quality enough so pretty much anyone could have written it
00:25:36
fucking conspiracy theory on the cape i mean you never know you have to watch it but she it's like
00:25:42
she tricked him into sleeping with her and then she tricked him into getting her pregnant and then
00:25:48
And she, and then like it tripped him into murdering him. Yeah, there's, it's a very problematic presentation.
00:25:56
So then I looked up the actual story because I'm like, that story sounds familiar, but it does not look familiar in Murder on the Cape.
00:26:02
And granted that they open it up by saying this is based on a true story, but I don't think they claim it is exact.
00:26:09
Okay. Okay, so here's the real story. Okay. And then you can hear this story, process it and the horror of it.
00:26:16
then like clear your palate and then go back and watch that thing as its own separate thing.
00:26:22
Pour your glass of water on the Bible and then go watch it. Click. Yeah. Turn that TV on.
00:26:27
Okay. So this all takes place in a town called Truro, Massachusetts, which I reminded myself just, it's like you're saying Truro with a T.
00:26:38
So it's Truro. T? Truro? T-R-U-R-O, I believe. Oh, whatever. That's not it. Churro.
00:26:46
That's not a word. The word is churro. I'm already mad at it. Okay, so it's 1997, and this is a tiny fishing village, basically, at the very top of Cape Cod.
00:26:59
And it's busy in the summer, obviously, with vacationers, but then in the winter, it's dead, and it's really cold.
00:27:05
Okay. Except for all the fishermen and the families that live there, obviously. and a woman named Krista Worthington
00:27:12
moves there in 1997 she was a very successful at the time 40 year old fashion writer
00:27:19
she's written for Elle, Harper's Women's Wear Daily, the New York Times she's also co-authored
00:27:26
books on fashion she's a successful writer and she had been writing internationally
00:27:33
she'd been doing stuff in Europe and basically living a very high stress kind of high fashion lifestyle.
00:27:39
Yeah. And so she wanted to get away from that and go up to the Cape. So her family,
00:27:44
she came from a very prominent family and her family owned a lot of different, um,
00:27:49
uh, houses and places in Truro. Um, she, when she moved there, she moved into a pink bungalow that was right next to the Harbor
00:28:00
Masters shack. Um, and, uh, a couple months later, she moved out of that and into a larger house that her family owned a really beautiful cottage
00:28:10
um me up yeah it's i mean i looking at these places in there's a 48 hours that one of the main ones i watched is a 48 hours eight hours all about it and they just keep
00:28:23
showing clips of like a ship just kind of going around yeah like along the coastline and like
00:28:30
but you know, an icebreaker. It's just like awesome looking. However, two weeks till you're bored out of your fucking mind.
00:28:37
20 bucks, I mean, you know, you got to have your Netflix. Sure. Got maybe like some crossword puzzles.
00:28:43
You know, Wi-Fi is body out there. Yeah, that's true. That would make you nuts. Right.
00:28:47
You'd get, you'd be getting on that Jitney back into town a couple of bunch of times.
00:28:51
Is there a Jitney from messages? I've never heard that word before, so I couldn't tell you.
00:28:56
Jitney is a word I learned from my New York friends. they jump onto it to take it's like a little bus that drives strictly to like the hamptons or
00:29:05
something from manhattan or some like summer it's the summertime jitney you go out to the beach okay
00:29:12
yeah um all right so on january 6 2002 um at 20 to 5 in the afternoon a guy named tim arnold who is
00:29:27
um krista winnington's neighbor on the other side of the woods um drops by her house uh to return a
00:29:35
flashlight and inside he finds her dead body she's been stabbed um on the left side of the chest
00:29:43
um and she's on the kitchen floor her two-year-old daughter ava is there next to her
00:29:52
clutching her. Two years old So yeah She been with the body for a while Tim grabs up at Ava and runs out calls 911
00:30:05
Police come. They find that Chris has been stabbed through the chest. The knife missed her heart.
00:30:10
It pierced her lung, and she bled out on the kitchen floor. Oh, my God. This murder is the first murder that Truro has seen in 30 years.
00:30:22
So, like, nothing happens in this tiny town anyway. And like nothing like this. So of course everyone's freaking out.
00:30:28
And, um, you know, they later on the defense lawyer will claim that the EMTs were sloppy and,
00:30:37
and, and, um, compromise the crime scene. They did throw a blanket over Krista's body when they got there to cover her up.
00:30:45
Um, she'd been raped. Um, and luckily the police did find DNA on her body that they ended up sending to the lab.
00:30:55
Okay. So they knew that there was somebody else's DNA on the body, and that could be a good lead.
00:31:01
Unfortunately, the lab is insanely backed up. It was 1997. Yeah. So this was like, you know.
00:31:07
So they start talking to the people in Krista's life. They talk to Tim Arnold, the neighbor.
00:31:14
They find out he wasn't just her neighbor. He was also her ex-boyfriend. They dated for about a year.
00:31:19
He says he has nothing to do with her death. um then in talking to her friends they find out that ava's father is a married man who uh was born
00:31:31
and raised in truro um and his name is tony jacket what the fuck why do we keep getting these names
00:31:39
jesus now it does have two t's but i mean that's right on par with jimmy buttons in terms of a noun
00:31:48
name buttons jacket there's an onion i mean it just is if if this was writing it would be lazy
00:31:55
but it's not it's just how it happens so it turns out tony jacket he's lived in terro all his life
00:32:02
i'm only going to call him tony jacket the whole time um and he has six kids he's married but um
00:32:09
and this is in the 48 hours and by his own account he saw krista when she moved into that pink
00:32:15
bungalow right by the harbormaster shack because he was working there as the fishing warden in the
00:32:21
48 hours he calls himself the fishing warden an article i found on abcnews.com referred to him
00:32:28
and i'm not joking as the shellfish constable what the fuck no i don't know if that writer for abcnews.com
00:32:37
was bored and just being funny or just reading cartoons it sounds like a cartoon or pitching an
00:32:44
idea for Spongebob Squarepants episode where the shellfish constable rolls into town.
00:32:49
I had the same thought. That's a cartoon name. It totally is. In the movie, the Netflix film Murder on the Cape, the character that plays Tony Jacket's
00:33:02
character is very ashamed to be the shellfish constable. And he was, I think, a contractor and he couldn't get work.
00:33:10
And so this was his way of like, because they were, they're, you know, having financial,
00:33:14
the family was having financial problems. He had six kids. Jesus, seriously. So he had to, you know, take the job.
00:33:19
Anyway, as he's working as a shellfish constable, he sees Krista, this beautiful, very, you
00:33:26
know, very fashionable, very, you know, all the pictures of her. She's just a gorgeous woman.
00:33:31
And he's immediately, they immediately hit it off and are attracted to each other.
00:33:36
So she's like this high society. He's just like gruff smelly, but kind of hot local probably.
00:33:41
Yes. He's very, um, he looks like he should have been like a third string character in the Sopranos.
00:33:50
He has like big lips and squinty eyes and like combed back hair. Very kind of like Mambo Italiano.
00:33:58
I can't explain it. Got it. And I'm not against it. I'll say that. Um, not judging.
00:34:03
Like get yours, get your C constable. Get your shellfish constable Italian piece.
00:34:12
Okay. So she, when they first get together, Krista tells Tony she can't have kids.
00:34:19
She's been told she can't have kids. They have their affair for a year. They end up breaking up.
00:34:26
In the film Murder on the Cape, they make it look like she won't leave him alone and is like always trying to be in his business and finding him at the grocery store and stuff.
00:34:35
where I'm like, prove that. It seems like she had plenty of dudes in her life and it wasn't desperate for this one.
00:34:41
And she needs fucking romaine lettuce. Where else is she going to go? And it's a tiny, truly tiny town.
00:34:46
Right. Like I run into my fucking ex at the grocery store and this is fucking Los Angeles.
00:34:50
For real. Maybe he's stalking me. I actually don't run into my ex. I have never run into anyone
00:34:57
I didn't want to run into in this town. I swear. And I have to knock on wood now.
00:35:02
Knock on wood. Why would I ever say that out loud? I don't know. I just want, like, open the nightmare door, basically.
00:35:08
Ooh, next week's going to be fun when we talk about who you run into. Yeah. Oh, I better start wearing so much mascara.
00:35:17
All the makeup. Constant, constant makeup. It'll be so different. Okay. Basically, she comes to him and says, I'm pregnant, and it's your baby.
00:35:29
And he's like, you told me you couldn't have babies. And then she's like, well, it's a miracle,
00:35:33
and that's why I'm keeping it. I don't care what you say and you don't need to be a part of it.
00:35:37
And he said in the 48 hours, he was like, I was dumbfounded and he kind of thought she tricked him.
00:35:44
But she goes on and has her life and starts to raise her daughter, Ava, herself.
00:35:50
But at some point, she asked Tony not only to pay child support but she wants him to tell his wife that he has a daughter So Tony actually ends up Tony Jacket ends up telling his wife of like how many years of six kids and
00:36:09
years that he had an affair. And now he has this daughter. Jackets. The jackets.
00:36:16
Jackets. Come off. The jackets had to come off that night. so so basically his wife Susan
00:36:25
of course is very upset at first and livid at him but then basically they all she ends up
00:36:31
meeting Krista and Krista comes over for dinner and brings the baby and they start to make it work
00:36:37
Susan herself tells the story in the 48 hours women are the best people women are just like this is a kid that is not
00:36:45
gonna like have her life be bad because of Because of fucking jackets over here.
00:36:50
Because of Captain Jackets. That I fucking married. Oh, man. So, and she says she actually liked her.
00:37:01
Wow, that's amazing. I know. But also, Susan provides Tony's alibi. He was home with her the night of Krista's death.
00:37:11
Okay. So, the police are like, it's all a little weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but then they also discover Krista was having issues with her 70, 72 year old father.
00:37:22
Um, they were, you know, as I said, like this prominent family and apparently the 72 year
00:37:28
old father, um, now had a 29 year old girlfriend. Her name was Elizabeth Porter.
00:37:34
Um, she had been a sex worker and she had been a heroin addict and now she had gotten
00:37:39
her life together and she was dating the love of her life. 72 year old dad you're embarrassing me and krista was like you are spending too much money on this
00:37:50
woman and then they cut in the 48 hours they fucking do a hard cut to this woman elizabeth
00:37:56
porter walking down like a courtroom thing and she goes y'all like to take pictures of me don't
00:38:02
you and she has like this insane cigarette voice and she's just yelling at all the cameras at once
00:38:08
Oh, my God. Not handling her shit at all. So he wasn't like, no, I met this classy dame.
00:38:14
And listen, I'm not talking shit on her being a sex worker or a heroin addict. Date a sex worker and heroin addict.
00:38:19
But a 29-year-old and a 72-year-old don't belong together. I mean, you don't know any of the same references.
00:38:26
No. You don't use any of the same emojis. No. Or hair products. Or gifts. Or anything.
00:38:33
You don't listen to the same podcast. I mean, overall, the rule is don't date someone younger than your children.
00:38:40
Dad. I'm mad at the dad for being a fucking creepazoid. But I mean, I know a lot of people that have had that happen where they're like,
00:38:47
and now my stepmom's younger than me. That's just like an obvious no. I know. I shouldn't say a lot of people.
00:38:53
I know one person. That'd be great if you knew a lot of people. I would be so impressed.
00:38:58
These are the tiny ways I constantly lie. It just comes out as a lot of people. And I'm like, just the one.
00:39:04
But you're not hurting anyone because I'm like, cool, tell me. But so that was actually they were like, well, this this could actually be because she was complaining to her father and basically saying stop spending money, cut her off.
00:39:20
So then and, you know, so it does become and it sounded like it was this thing where this is almost like a vacation town.
00:39:28
It's the elite, the people with the money in the town and then the people who make the town go.
00:39:32
Right. And they all kind of hate each other. I mean, it all could get real, you know, us versus them.
00:39:40
So the police are just like, it can be anybody. So they're thinking dad's girlfriend hired someone to kill her, maybe?
00:39:47
Or they're just looking at that girlfriend, that she doesn't have the best background,
00:39:50
and she would have reason to get rid of her to be like, yeah, I want to keep my money source open.
00:39:57
Thank God my dad is poor, because otherwise... It does solve a lot of problems. yeah no one's gonna date no 29 year old's gonna date him unless they're in love with him and they
00:40:06
have my fucking blessing and that's nice i know it'd be nice but i'm happy mardi okay mardi so
00:40:13
um they good the police there's so much going on now and there's so many suspects the police go to
00:40:19
the fbi to get help and to get a profile drawn up the profile that the fbi gives them doesn't help
00:40:26
them it does they don't have anybody that matches it um finally a year after um chris's murder
00:40:33
lab results come back and they find out the dna that they found on her body doesn't match
00:40:39
any of these suspects so none of these ex-boyfriends not nobody and they're like what the
00:40:44
fuck so they have to start all over again so what they just decide to do is ask for the dna
00:40:51
of every man who lives in true holy shit and there's a reporter in this 40 hours who was like
00:40:59
the reporter from day one it was no way his whole story yeah and he was like well then that was just
00:41:04
crazy and then it's just you clearly they have nothing and they're just like trying to do
00:41:08
whatever but how many men how many men are we talking um i don't know offhand sorry i should
00:41:14
normally i would have lied but i caught let's say 1500 let's let's just go ahead with 15 000
00:41:19
because it's fun and it's a good number. It's a really small town. Okay. Let's say 200.
00:41:27
Okay. Let's say between 200 and 9,000. Great. Okay. So two and a half years later,
00:41:35
the DA, Michael O'Keefe, announces they've gotten a match back from the DNA. Some idiot killer gave them their DNA?
00:41:43
Well, yes. And it leads to the arrest of a suspect named Christopher McGowan. He is her garbage man.
00:41:52
So police first bring him in for questioning The police say do you know Krista Worthington He says no I just know she a stop on my on my garbage route but i never met her and i don know her and um they say okay well we found
00:42:08
your dna on her body now what do you have to say and he says well actually i went to her house um
00:42:17
on thursday which is the day that he his he picks up the garbage at her house and then i went inside
00:42:24
and we had consensual sex. And then he says he went back Friday, had sex with her, then beat her.
00:42:35
But his friend Jeremy Frazier was there. His friend Jeremy Frazier started beating her up.
00:42:40
And then he left, and Jeremy Frazier's the one that stayed and killed her. Well, the police are like,
00:42:46
well, that's a great story, except for your friend Jeremy Frazier, your good friend that you're setting up for this murder.
00:42:52
none of his dna is anywhere in the house and he's there's no way to prove that he was ever anywhere
00:42:57
there oh my god and so then basically after a six-hour interrogation he signs a waiver that
00:43:03
says he doesn't want a lawyer and then he confesses to the murder um so this guy does the
00:43:10
same guy christopher mcgowan the garbage man okay so basically the prosecution that so the trial
00:43:17
starts the prosecution tells everybody that christopher mcgowan went out uh with his friend
00:43:23
jeremy frazier and they got drunk um and then at 1 a.m he drives up to her house rapes her and kills
00:43:31
her but christopher mcgowan's defense attorney is a guy named bob george he claims krista had
00:43:37
consensual sex with mcgowan on thursday the day he brought he picked up the garbage um then he
00:43:43
left and that her murder took place somewhere between thursday and then when her body was found
00:43:51
on sunday and that it his client had nothing to do with it god damn it um he also suggested that
00:43:57
christopher gowan and christor worthington could have been having a consensual affair for a while
00:44:03
and that it was just the elitists of this town that didn't believe that a white woman um who's
00:44:10
this fancy fashion writer could be having a consensual affair with a black man who was the
00:44:15
garbage man um uh he also submitted that mcgallan's iq was in the low 70s and so that's why he he
00:44:26
waived the right for the lawyer he didn't have he had no chance once he was in the police but he
00:44:31
basically said but then you know so he's basically saying his iq is really low um so he was tricked
00:44:38
into all of this and he's just basically the perfect patsy well then the prosecution comes
00:44:43
back and says he he's smart enough to have lied to say he didn't know her he you know there's like
00:44:49
a lot of evasion tactics or whatever so he clearly it is not just because he didn't score well on that
00:44:56
IQ test doesn't mean that he isn't tricky and doing whatever he wants totally uh the defense
00:45:01
also alleges that the crime scene was totally contaminated by sloppy EMTs because those EMTs
00:45:07
came in and put a blanket on chris's body when they first saw her and so the dna who knows whose
00:45:15
dna was on that blanket whatever they kind of just keep introducing reasons to doubt yeah um
00:45:21
so christa had an ex-boyfriend who lived in manhattan uh who was in this uh 48 hours who says
00:45:30
if christa was having an affair with the garbage man because he had visited her two weeks before
00:45:35
her murder and he said that would have been the first thing she said when I walked in the door
00:45:40
because she would have loved that story she would have been very proud of it yeah if she was having
00:45:44
some kind of like uh you know I was it's not May December but it's like the wrong side of the
00:45:51
tracks affair she was the kind of person that would love to talk about that totally so up until
00:45:56
two weeks before her murder that was not happening right um so he basically kind of it was interesting
00:46:03
when he talked about that where it's like you can totally see that yeah basically the trial goes um
00:46:08
the on november 16 2006 he's found guilty christopher mcgowan has found guilty of first
00:46:14
degree murder murder with extreme atrocity aggravated rape and aggravated armed burglary
00:46:20
and after the verdict is read um christopher mcgowan makes a statement um to the court where
00:46:26
he says quote i never meant for this to ever take place and then after he says that he claims to
00:46:32
still be innocent. Wow. Which is a really weird way to say it if you're innocent. He is serving
00:46:40
three concurrent life terms in prison without the possibility of parole. So after all of that,
00:46:46
the verdict comes down. In January of 2008, several jurors came forward and claimed that
00:46:51
there was a racial bias in the jury room during the deliberations. So all 12 jurors got called
00:46:57
back to court by that judge. And they all were questioned over those claims. And their testimony
00:47:04
revealed that there was racial tension in the jury room. So because of that, Christopher McGowan's
00:47:09
lawyer used that information as grounds to file a motion for a retrial. But that was struck down
00:47:17
as have all three appeals that McGowan's defense attorneys have filed on his behalf since he got
00:47:23
sentenced and then in 2012 the defense attorney bob george was uh convicted of money laundering
00:47:32
and he himself served three years in prison what yes so the very much i mean i don't know
00:47:44
there's a lot of things that get introduced in this case in this 48 hours that this that defense
00:47:50
attorney Bob George he actually did a really good job of introducing all these possible doubts
00:47:58
into this case But at the end of the day, it's DNA. Yeah. And his was the only DNA on her body.
00:48:07
And she was raped and murdered. And she was raped and murdered. Which would have meant there would have been someone else's DNA there.
00:48:13
Right. Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny because that 48 Hours is kind of old. And it's interesting how it feels like they keep pointing to this idea that she, quote, had a lot of boyfriends.
00:48:24
that that seemed to be at play in the way people kind of like judged this yeah that and like she
00:48:32
had an affair with a married man where it's like yeah she was not to be trusted somehow yeah yeah
00:48:39
yeah or there was i don't know it's it's uh i didn't like i didn't like it and the movie did
00:48:44
that too the movie was crazy the movie was all about fucking tony jackets the will the character
00:48:51
that was representing him and like how tough his life was and how these all these women were making
00:48:57
his life really tough and there's a poor fucking baby you have to see you have to see it it's pretty
00:49:04
amazing and there's also the casting is fucking fascinating the woman who plays tony jackett's
00:49:11
wife a couple times i was like is that bridget everett you know the comic because it looked like
00:49:17
And it was this kind of like everything had a it was right on the verge of being campy.
00:49:22
Yeah. And then we just come back every time to boring. When they made the movie, did they know who the killer was?
00:49:28
And then they they showed that's what happened. Yes. Although I'm pretty sure I fell asleep before the end of the movie.
00:49:36
Because how can you victim blame throughout a movie? And then it turns out it's just some fucking other guy.
00:49:41
Psycho murderer. Yes. You know what I mean? which has it wouldn't matter if she was let's say promiscuous or not i'm not saying she was but it
00:49:48
wouldn't fucking matter it doesn't matter anyway it's like that thing that happened happened that's
00:49:53
the case that needs to get solved um i mean it's crazy yeah i think at the end of this thing it's
00:50:01
there they leave it super vague like maybe he didn't right but it's like no he did yeah but i
00:50:07
i recommend everyone go because it's this bizarre crossroads of it's almost like every bad reenactment
00:50:13
you've ever seen if all the main actors had lines jesus where it's like you know what play with this
00:50:18
scene and figure out what happened with you guys i want to see crazy susan jackets gets her groove
00:50:23
back where she leaves her fucking cheating husband goes to an island is it susan it's susan jacket it
00:50:31
is now susan jacket how that's fucked up it's crazy um but the little girl the good news is
00:50:37
the little girl um went to live with the person that that um krista worthington chose to be her
00:50:45
oh good uh to be the the guardian which is a good friend of hers oh um but tony jackets and
00:50:53
susan have visited her and now she's like uh in college oh good and she's doing great honey yeah
00:51:00
fly you're a bird fly i don't know spread your wings you know that's my words of encouragement
00:51:07
i bet that'll work spread your you know spread your wings and stuff um wow crazy i mean it's
00:51:16
almost like a good thing that your ankle got twisted let me go ahead and say it's almost a
00:51:20
good thing that i watch tv 24 hours a day finally something good came out of it Hello, beautiful.
00:51:28
I'm Amy Eric, founder of Madison Reed, a hair color company I named after my daughter.
00:51:34
Forget everything you know about hair color. The mess, the smell, the hassle, the damage.
00:51:39
We're female founded and female led. We've transformed the hair color experience with ingredients that care for your hair and award winning color on your terms at home or at our hair color bars.
00:51:51
The future of hair color is here at Madison Reed. Bro, from the show last night to this drive, why is it never chill?
00:52:01
Because this is our life. Backstage, on the road, it's loud, messy, real. And that's the best part.
00:52:08
Whole crew, no plan, just moving. Good thing Nissan builds for that kind of chaos.
00:52:13
Not just test tracks, real life scenes. Late nights, road trips, all of it. That's why it holds up.
00:52:19
Nissan was ranked number one in initial quality among mainstream brands by JD Power.
00:52:24
Yeah, you can tell. 2026 Nissan Rogue built for what really happens. For J.D. Power 2025 US Initial Quality Study Award information, visit jdpower.com slash awards.
00:52:36
Awards based on 2025 model year, newer models may be shown. This is Radhi Dvluka from A Really Good Cry.
00:52:42
A lot of wellness routines start with motivation and then somewhere between week two and a half-use supplement draw.
00:52:48
Gruens was created to make daily nutrition simpler. Instead of pills or chalky green drinks, Gruens packs over 20 essential vitamins and minerals,
00:52:55
greens and prebiotics into a snack pack of delicious gummies. It feels approachable and
00:53:00
not demanding. The convenient comprehensive formula supports gut health, beauty, energy,
00:53:05
immunity, recovery and cognition in one daily habit. Gruens contains six grams of fiber,
00:53:11
which is more than two cups of broccoli. And the ingredients in Gruens are backed by 35,000
00:53:16
research publications, which is part of what makes the formula so intentional. Gruens is vegan, gluten free, dairy free, nut free and made without artificial colors or flavors.
00:53:25
Plus, it's methylated, so key nutrients like B12 and folate are informed your body can actually use.
00:53:31
It's comprehensive nutrition designed for routines you can actually stick with. Get up to 52% off with code CRY at grooms.co.
00:53:40
That's code CRY at G-R-U-N-S dot C-O. All right, my murder. Okay so you know I obsessed with fucking infectious diseases and plagues and flu epidemics You know I love all this shit right Sure That my passion Illness Uh Like end of days shit
00:54:05
Great. Level stuff. Mm-hmm. Okay. And right now, the flu, right now in mid-January 2018, the flu is already an epidemic this year,
00:54:18
which is fun. I just got a shot. Did you get a flu shot? Mm-hmm. Oh, good. I think it's irritated and I'm going to die.
00:54:25
But anyways. Well, at least you won't have the flu when you die. Exactly. So on that note, because it's so fun, I thought I would do, you know, our good friend, Typhoid Mary.
00:54:40
Nice. Okay. Here we go. In the summer of 1906, on Long Island's Oyster Bay. Have you been there?
00:54:51
I haven't. I think they take one of those little trains. A Jitney? A Jitney to get there.
00:54:56
Right? I don't know. 1906, a Jitney? Did they have cars? It was made of straw. I don't know.
00:55:02
Maybe a horse Jitney. So Long Island's Oyster Bay is the townie playground of New York's rich and famous.
00:55:11
Teddy fucking Roosevelt, none other than had his summer White House there. It's all fucking rich people.
00:55:18
Sure. And everyone freaks the fuck out when in a span of just one week, six of the 11 people in the home of wealthy banker.
00:55:27
He's the banker to the Vanderbilts, even. Charles Warren's household comes down with typhoid fever while they are there on vacation.
00:55:35
Typhoid is a bacterial infection. Let me tell you about it. Okay. Due to salmonella typhi.
00:55:42
And it's viewed back then as a disease of the crowded slums and tenements, which we love to talk about.
00:55:47
Yes. um in new york it's associated with poverty the lack of basic sanitation immigrants assumed to
00:55:54
live in disease-ridden crowded housing are scapegoats of typhoid so when a rich fucking
00:56:00
family gets it it's bananas typhoid is one of the 20th century's most terrifying killers because an
00:56:06
infection could spread through a house before anyone knew what was going on the first week uh
00:56:12
the infection seems almost, you know, like just the regular flu. Then there's the fever,
00:56:18
some abdominal cramping, but nothing really crazy to show that it's typhoid. And then during the second week,
00:56:24
fever goes crazy. The patient becomes delirious. Blood clots form under the skin.
00:56:29
The entire abdomen becomes distended. Ooh, the third week inflammation of the fucking brain and intestinal hemorrhaging,
00:56:37
intestinal hemorrhaging. And the death rate of those infected is anywhere between one,
00:56:42
in 10 and 3 in 10. So it's really easily spread by eating or drinking food or water contaminated with the
00:56:50
feces of infected persons. So think about that in the 1900s, the early 1900s, you know, when they didn't like wash their hands and
00:57:00
stuff and like water wasn't, you know, cleaned and shit. And they all lived in like houses and stuff
00:57:06
that were all, you know. Yeah, I mean, that was back still when people get up and just pee in a bowl under the bed right right just like slosh it
00:57:14
back under probably throw it out the window sure where is that when they threw stuff out the window
00:57:19
throw the baby out with them probably i bet it i bet they did let's say yes but i like the idea
00:57:24
that people would do it in rich houses well they didn't so that's the thing okay like they didn't
00:57:30
so it was really weird that this typhoid was an outbreak in a rich house so people were that's why
00:57:36
on oyster bay they were like this is a fucking something's wrong um not here not in my family
00:57:43
not in my backyard right not in the tony playground of the rich and famous hell no no
00:57:47
um in 1900 it killed 35 000 americans there's no cure antibiotics didn't exist and a vaccine was
00:57:56
not yet available horrifying so scary so the charles warren's landlord was freaking out that
00:58:04
the family outbreak would prevent him from leasing his summer house again. He thought they would burn it to the fucking ground because of typhoid.
00:58:11
So he's like, fuck the shit. He hires freelance sanitary engineer, George Soper.
00:58:16
A freelance sanitary engineer. Dr. George Soper. Okay. Which is like, you sound fun at parties.
00:58:22
You sound like you have a made up job. He's called a janitor. No, no. he's like he investigates sources of typhoid fever outbreaks to determine the cause like he's the
00:58:36
dude who house like dr house he's fucking house he's like come over to my house figure out what
00:58:42
happened here okay like why is everyone sick he's the dude who figures it out like what was his name
00:58:47
again uh george soper dr george soper okay so he's like um he's like what's his name the uh detective
00:58:54
of colombo sherlock holmes can you edit that you can leave that part in he's like the colombo
00:59:03
sherlock holmes of uh diseases okay okay of i was gonna say diarrhea what stop it we don't use that
00:59:13
word no we do use that word so everything so sober tests everything he's like super excited about
00:59:19
gross stuff apparently he tests the house plumbing local shellfish company everything comes up
00:59:25
negative for typhoid but then he looks into the cook who had worked for the warrens weeks before
00:59:30
the outbreak and discovered that a female irish cook um who fit the description of uh of a cook
00:59:37
who had worked in other households where typhoid had broke out broke doubt no broken out in the
00:59:43
pass that she had worked there right before everyone fell ill of typhoid and had also
00:59:50
just cooked for the Warrens. So I don know why you hire an Irish cook We can fucking cook It all pot roast and like red potatoes yeah but i think that back then they liked the simplicity of it all oh man such a bummer i mean
01:00:08
that sounds fucking amazing to me that's all i want is pot roast and red potatoes are you
01:00:13
serious with some horseradish yes what about jello with fruit cocktail floating inside of it
01:00:19
fruit cocktail yes yeah and then of course my grandma special what did she put on it
01:00:23
Thousand Island dressing. Yeah. Hard stop. That's an iceberg lettuce. No, that's Irish cooking.
01:00:31
My friends. Do you know what I want? I want iceberg lettuce with Thousand Island and I want Jell-O with fruit cocktail.
01:00:36
I don't want them to meet each other. Well, sorry. My grandma says you have to. And that's my job to make it happen.
01:00:42
And you have to finish it. You do. I mean, fair enough. She forces us to eat spinach as tiny babies, and very few of us have ever broken a bone.
01:00:54
Spinach. But you fucking twist her ankle all the goddamn time. I roll it, but it don't break.
01:01:00
Grandma. Okay. Grandma. He was, okay, so we can't find her because she left after every outbreak begins.
01:01:08
She fucking later's out of there and doesn't give a forwarding address. Soper learns of an active
01:01:13
outbreak in a penthouse on Park Avenue where two of the household servants were hospitalized and the young daughter of the family
01:01:19
had died of typhoid oh no and he discovers Soper discovers that the family cook was the same woman
01:01:27
who had cooked for the other families it's 40 year old Irish immigrant Mary Mallon
01:01:33
Mary wash your hands Mary there we go what are you doing Mary what does she say And she says, I just need to start the soup with my hand real quick.
01:01:43
I can't do it. No, you're going to do this whole fucking story. We need it. OK. Soper starts stalking Mary Mallon and tells her and he tells her she's transmitting disease
01:01:55
and death by her job. But he sounds very bad at like telling people things and explaining in a calm, like, you
01:02:02
know, self-possessed manner to an Irish immigrant, probably because he had some prejudices against
01:02:06
Irish people. So do you think he was like too nervous to tell her or he was like screaming at her?
01:02:11
I think he was screaming in her face, this thing of transmitting disease and death.
01:02:15
And she's this like Irish. And he's like, what are you talking about? So he didn't explain to her how she, as a woman who was perfectly healthy, could be infecting others with typhoid.
01:02:28
He attempted to get and then and then he goes on to attempt to get samples of Mary's feces, urine and blood.
01:02:33
I think just by yelling in her face that he needs samples of her feces, urine, and blood.
01:02:37
Jesus, Mary and Joseph, man, get away from me. Yeah. Not surprisingly, this just pissed Mary off.
01:02:43
And one time she chased him away with a large kitchen fork when he tried to come get her feces.
01:02:48
Get out of here. I don't know. That's my Irish. Get out of here. Get out of the kitchen now.
01:02:54
You always have to start way high and then go down really low. Okay. since mary refused to give samples he decided to compile a five-year history of her employment
01:03:04
he found that of the eight families that had hired mary mallin as a cook members of seven of those
01:03:10
families claimed to have contracted typhoid fever even though mary had never shown signs of the
01:03:15
ailment and with this soper becomes the first author to describe a healthy carrier of salvanilla
01:03:22
typhi in the United States. So the person who can carry it never get ill by it, but pass it on to
01:03:27
other people. So she's basically immune to this thing she has. But she has it and is giving it to
01:03:33
everybody else. And she and part of her argument is like, well, I'm fucking fine. It can't be me
01:03:37
giving it to anyone. Right. So also and let me use my whole arm as a stirring spoon. And I just
01:03:43
want to stir this fucking stew. I just want to touch the bottom of the pan. Right. With my
01:03:48
fingernail let me put this under my fingernails and put it into the stew what's the big deal what
01:03:53
is the problem my fingernail ladle right without washing my hands okay let me tell you about mary
01:03:58
mary malin was born in september of 1869 in cook's county cookston county ty tyrone cookston let's
01:04:07
call it a small village in the north of ireland that was among one of ireland's poorest areas
01:04:15
She immigrated to the United States in 1883 at the age of 15. Her aunt and uncle, who she had been living with, died.
01:04:21
So she was living in squalid housing in the Lower East Side, fending for herself.
01:04:27
She found work as a domestic servant. And apparently her proclensity in the kitchen led her to be a cook.
01:04:36
So she was somehow good. For what in the kitchen? I don't know. I've copied and pasted a word that I never use.
01:04:41
Proclensity. Propensity? Clensity. that's a word i don't think it is shit hold on i refuse i copied and pasted it
01:04:51
oh no no no no no no it sounded so good and i was gonna it kind of was like a the combination of propensity and declension but i'm almost positive when your your search
01:05:03
propensity did not match any search talking with her propensity is that right well i'm never copying
01:05:11
and pasting from wikipedia again the grammar's odd so it's not there's no yeah there's no it's
01:05:16
propensity or that's the like it the correction the correct oh yeah they maybe they just the
01:05:21
correct word is propensity fuck all right i'm not editing that out because this is who i am
01:05:29
i'm gonna fucking show sometimes we get words wrong it's okay my proclenston in the kitchen
01:05:38
It sounds like perclinston sounds like for men who are losing their hair, like a shampoo.
01:05:44
Take mint perclinston every night. Right. Okay. In 1900, she worked in Mamoronic, New York.
01:05:53
Heard of it? No Where within two weeks of her employment residents developed typhoid fever In 1991 she moved to Manhattan where members of the family whom she worked for developed fevers and diarrhea That a bummer to have at the same time
01:06:06
Yeah, that's horrible. You don't know what's happening and you have diarrhea. Right.
01:06:09
She's a laundress died there. Oh, no. His name they don't mention anywhere, which is like, listen, she's someone too.
01:06:15
That's right. And then Mary Mallon goes on to work for a lawyer. She left after seven of the eight people
01:06:22
in that household became ill. she fucking laters uh why does she keep leaving though i don't know she thinks she's so innocent
01:06:30
well it's so it's hard to tell because it's like did she leave because everyone got sick and so the
01:06:34
house stood still and they didn't need anyone or what did she know you need help the most it's true
01:06:40
chicken soup doesn't cook itself yeah that's right chicken soup doesn't walk yourself up those stairs
01:06:45
to stir itself jesus christ okay chicken soup can't stir itself without an arm and it can't
01:06:52
walk upstairs exactly so okay so then in 1906 she goes to oyster bay and within two weeks 10 of the
01:07:01
11 family members are hospitalized with typhoid changes job again same thing happens cooks for
01:07:07
the warren same thing happens blah blah okay doctors theorize that mary mellon likely passed
01:07:14
typhoid germs by failing to vigorously scrub her hands before handling food. Usually the elevated temperatures of cooking food would have killed all the germs and bacteria
01:07:28
and shit. But then they found out that Mary Mallon's like most popular dish, her specialty, her
01:07:35
specialty was ice cream that she cut up raw peaches into and froze. So nothing had gotten cooked.
01:07:41
Oh, can you imagine those wet fucking peaches with her little like cutting knife under and all the nail under her nail stuff?
01:07:48
As she's cutting peaches, she's also cutting a little bit of her finger along with it.
01:07:55
Oh, God. She had a real poquensity for cutting up her own flesh. I can't believe I got that word wrong.
01:08:03
uh okay the new york health the new york city health department finally they try to get her to
01:08:12
chill the fuck out and she won't finally they send physician she won't she's like fuck you
01:08:18
and everyone must cook yeah she's like an angry an angry woman she had to fight for her uh like her
01:08:25
life livelihood she didn't have anybody nobody it reminds so i just started watching alias grace
01:08:30
which you had talked about liking and it reminds me of like she came over on a ship in that fucking
01:08:35
in that nature of absolute bullshit and she's like fuck you i'm working to like live my own life
01:08:43
i mean it's those the ship journey alone so upsetting for most people coming to this country
01:08:49
traumatizing just horrifying and then they show up and then it's like i hope you have a job yeah
01:08:54
good luck with that yeah also you don't wash your hands enough yeah that's what are you talking about
01:08:59
You know what that reminds me of real quick? Yeah. When I lived in Scotland, there was a commercial that was on like UK TV and it was, are you
01:09:08
a washer or a walker? And it was just a, it was pretend camera, like hidden camera in a bathroom to see if
01:09:15
people walked up, check their face and walked away or wash their hands and walk away.
01:09:19
And since that commercial, I think before that I was very like, nah, who cares one way
01:09:25
or the other? I know if I need to wash my hands or not. since that commercial I've oh I wash my hands every single time no matter what trust doorknobs
01:09:33
you just can't trust door handles you just should wash your hands as much as possible
01:09:38
and I do I mean don't go out of your fucking mind I do but like do your best don't be a walker
01:09:45
that's all I'm saying my dad every he won't sit down it will go to lunch anywhere he had just
01:09:52
gone out of his car he hasn't touched anything he won't he's kind of has OCD though but he'll go
01:09:56
wash his hands before like every time you can't even start talking to him oh wow wash his hands
01:10:01
i wonder if that's like if his parents were really strict about that like before eating
01:10:05
yeah maybe it's a good idea every once in a while i'll look at my hands especially when i was wearing
01:10:11
cheap jeans oh no when you there's nothing worse than having dirty hands as an adult at like a meal
01:10:17
there's only worse than like putting a food thing into your mouth and being like when was the last
01:10:21
time i washed my hands that's my fucking thing of like and then you there's only so many times you
01:10:26
can go well i'm strengthening my immune system right no most of the time you're not you're just
01:10:31
putting someone else's fucking urine hands in your fucking mouth and i mean from the doorknob
01:10:37
we'd all have much stronger immune systems if that really was right i have a bit of an ocd about
01:10:42
washing hands well you're marty's daughter i'm marty's daughter through and through a hard stark
01:10:47
doesn't let her hands doesn't mess does not mess okay so new york city health department sends in
01:10:54
physician Sarah Josephine Baker to talk to Mary. So the singer. Yeah, right? Almost.
01:11:02
That'd be amazing. At night, she was just an amazing dancer. That's not good. Baker said that by the time she was, she said, quote, by that time, she was convinced that
01:11:13
the law was only persecuting her when she had done nothing wrong. So Mary was like, hardcore, fuck you.
01:11:18
Yeah. We're like that. Yeah. baker's so this chick sarah josephine baker her own father and brother had died of typhoid when
01:11:27
she was young and so she had felt pressure to support her mother and sister financially so at
01:11:32
16 years old she decided on a career in medicine wow and this and this is like the early 1900s
01:11:38
ladies and hundreds this chick is a badass motherfucker in her own right and people
01:11:41
should fucking study her etc for feminist reasons she's fucking awesome um so she goes uh to find
01:11:49
Mary Mallon and with her help, the New York City Health Department takes Mary into custody in
01:11:55
1907 and places her into forced confinement inside a on 16 acre North Brother Island off the Bronx shore.
01:12:04
So if you live in, have lived in Manhattan or been in Manhattan, you see a fucking island over there,
01:12:10
like off the shore that you can like see. It's almost like Alcatraz in San Francisco.
01:12:14
Right. So it's all the only thing, only companion she has. And tell me if this doesn't sound amazing.
01:12:19
She's in confinement. All she has is a Fox Terrier. And you're like living the life.
01:12:24
Can I please? So wait, I think I'm in that confinement right now. You put yourself in Mary Mallon's fucking confinement.
01:12:32
We're all, all Irish women are doomed to live the life of Mary Mallon. It just repeats itself.
01:12:40
Damn it. Okay, so she, it's at, so they, on this brother island was the Riverside Hospital, which is where she's at.
01:12:46
It's founded in the 1850s as a smallpox hospital to treat and isolate victims of that disease.
01:12:51
So they just fucking put them on this tiny island outside of Manhattan. and you can see Manhattan and you're like, oh, I want that.
01:12:58
And they're like, no, you're sick. Too bad. It eventually expands to other quarantainable diseases
01:13:05
like leprosy and venereal diseases. So they just like later people onto that island.
01:13:09
Did they really? Yeah. So you get some venereal disease. Yeah. So like, go stay here until you're.
01:13:18
Oh, in the same room with all the other people with venereal diseases. Yeah. That sounds like a party.
01:13:22
I mean, those are the people that party. Yeah. A lot of great personalities in that room, I bet.
01:13:28
I mean, I'm sure. Okay. With her forced confinement, Mary, Malin, everyone, the media goes fucking nuts because this woman has been spreading this disease and killing people with it.
01:13:40
So media goes nuts. Eventually, in 1908, in the Journal of American Medical Association, she is nicknamed Typhoid Mary.
01:13:48
That's where she gets her name. So the professionals really came into shit on her.
01:13:53
Yeah, they were doing top-notch journalism. good job everybody um so so it turns out mary malin is immune to the disease herself
01:14:02
she's the first person in the united states identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the
01:14:07
pathogen which is pretty fucking cool while in custody mary malin typhoid mary let's call her
01:14:13
admits to poor hygiene she's like yeah what of it motherfuckers oh no say it's my irish
01:14:19
I can't say that was all you just say who cares Jesus Mary and Joseph there's other things to worry about
01:14:31
there's people starving in my country she said she did not understand the purpose of hand washing
01:14:37
because she did not pose a risk girl you're the cook you pose a risk it doesn't matter how healthy you are
01:14:46
authorities are like let's get rid of your gallbladder because that's where they believe the typhoid bacteria resided
01:14:53
in and she was like fuck no fuck you i don't even have the disease and she wasn't willing to cease
01:14:58
working as a cook too so like we'll let you go just don't work as a cook and she's like nope
01:15:03
i won't wash my hands go fuck yourself fight fight fight fight mary fight we're so angry
01:15:10
it doesn't make sense irish women irish women fight fight fight and then a herky
01:15:16
she uh is forced to give 163 samples of various bodily substances to the doctors there
01:15:26
120 of which tested positive for the bacteria she was teeming with this disease to the to the hilt
01:15:33
to the gills to the gills um so mary stays there for three years until test results from a private
01:15:41
laboratory yes i said that came up negative for typhoid um and with this information in 1909
01:15:48
mary sues the health department for her freedom but everyone's like where did she get the money
01:15:51
to sue the health department and then and then it's like a secret thing that maybe william
01:15:55
randolph hearse was like well give me the money if you give me like an interview so like he was
01:16:00
like springing people so genius yeah so smart but the new york supreme court's like go fuck yourself
01:16:05
No. But then in 1910, there's a new health commissioner. He lets her go if she promises never to work as a cook again.
01:16:14
And she's like, OK, great. She's like, fine. I didn't like that much anyway. Yeah. So in February of 1910, Mary agreed that she was, quote, prepared to change her occupation and would give assurance by affidavit that she would, upon her release,
01:16:29
takes such hygienic precautions as would protect those with whom she came in contact from infection.
01:16:36
Meaning wash your fucking hands. I'll wash my fucking hands. No, I just, I felt like I wanted to defend, but there's, it's indefensible.
01:16:43
Go ahead. No, I can't. Some people don't think, some people think what, that her being locked up is indefensible.
01:16:49
No, she killed a ton of people because she refused to wash, she wouldn't, it's like she
01:16:53
wouldn't give in anything. Right. Where it's like, okay, well, if you're the cook, you have to admit hand washing is kind of key.
01:17:00
I realize that was kind of a new idea back then, but still. Well, the thing is, so she thought they were all out to get her all this shit.
01:17:07
You're like decades later, they're like, well, if she had typhoid her whole life,
01:17:12
maybe it fucked her brain up a little bit and she was paranoid and crazy. Ooh. Yeah.
01:17:16
But wait, it gets worse. Okay. Okay. So they let her out. They lose track of her.
01:17:22
Goodbye. Bad idea. Cut to five years later in 1915, a typhoid outbreak happens at Manhattan Sloan Maternity Hospital.
01:17:32
Struck 25 workers and killed two of those workers. When Soper, our friend George Soper's back, he looks into the outbreak and he's like, this looks fucking familiar.
01:17:43
Oh, no. Traces it back to the cook, who's an Irish woman named Mary Brown this time.
01:17:48
She changed her name. She found a good man. Nope. She changed her name so she could become a cook.
01:17:54
Like she was doing it Now she responsible for it Now she being a dick You know what I mean Yeah Now it criminal I think It Mary Mallon Blah blah blah
01:18:05
Turns out she changed her name. And during her years of release, she had cooked in hotels, restaurants and institutions.
01:18:12
Wow. So she was like, she'd gotten it. They'd given her a job as a laundress. You make no fucking money.
01:18:17
It's really hard work. Doesn't smell good. Doesn't smell good. She was like, fuck this shit and went to cook.
01:18:21
Wherever she worked, there were outbreaks of typhoid. however she changed jobs so frequently so she had eluded the blame she's captured and again
01:18:30
confined to north brother island where she continued to refuse to acknowledge that she
01:18:34
had any connection between uh herself and the typhoid cases well at that point it's so stacked
01:18:41
up against her yeah that she might as well just do that because she's so guilty that the second
01:18:46
she breaks it's over yeah exactly so after the second the second apprehension she spends the
01:18:53
next 23 years of her life as a prisoner in forest isolation uh hundreds if not thousands of
01:19:00
asymptomatic carriers who had been identified were allowed to walk the streets of new york
01:19:05
freely but typhoid mary lived alone in exile partly due because the public were fucking pissed at her
01:19:11
because she wouldn't stay out of the kitchen like if she had just not gone back to cooking yes that
01:19:16
second time around exactly she i mean i didn't it's sad that she lived in isolation yeah but
01:19:22
why are you being so stubborn? Yeah, calm down. Karen? Uh-oh. Oh, Karen's having feelings.
01:19:31
Then you just, my face just starts to fall apart. I don't want to do it. It just comes out of me.
01:19:37
Your typhoid tears just start running off your face. There's the devil inside me.
01:19:41
He's being so mad. State of the Kitchen. On November 11, 1938, Mary Mallon dies of pneumonia
01:19:51
at age 69, still in captivity. An autopsy found evidence of live typhoid bacteria in her gallbladder.
01:20:00
So she could have... Yeah, they were right. Her body's cremated and her ashes were buried at St. Raymond's Cemetery in the Bronx.
01:20:08
So Mary Mallon, it's thought that she infected 51 people and three of those illnesses resulted
01:20:14
in death. And that's based on George Soper's, you know, looking into it. But she used so many aliases that it's thought that the true death toll could have been way fucking higher.
01:20:27
Some estimated that she had caused 50 fatalities, which I just saw that in a random article.
01:20:32
So I don't know if that's even true. Historians say she contaminated at least 122 people and killed five, which sounds a little more likely.
01:20:39
So crazy, though. So throughout the 20th century, typhoid fever steadily declines due to introduction of vaccinations
01:20:47
and improvements in public sanitation and hygiene, aka wash your fucking hands. And today typhoid fever is considered a rare condition
01:20:55
among developed countries. Rate is approximately five cases per million per year.
01:21:02
As for fucking Brother Island and Riverside Hospital, real quick, this fucking island of disease off the Manhattan,
01:21:09
which sounds amazing, right? Sounds amazing. The island has been abandoned since 1963
01:21:14
after it was a detention, it was last a detention facility for juvenile drug offenders in 1963.
01:21:19
How badly do you wish you could go and just sit on the wall and like stare at people?
01:21:23
There are, you know, there's some blacklight posters in that building. You know, there's some people out there who have stories of like,
01:21:30
they were like, because, you know, my mom working in the mental, she worked at a hospital called Langley Porter in San Francisco.
01:21:37
It's up on the hill. kind of and um and people in the 60s used to send their kids they got caught smoking pot one time
01:21:46
no they sent their kids to the mental hospital so she said there were in this in the like
01:21:52
mid to late 60s all these kids there was like an influx of kids are like they're incorrigible and
01:21:58
they're drug addicts where they had only done like smoked one joint or whatever we're saying
01:22:03
no to things exactly and they were housed with people who are legitimately in need of mental
01:22:08
mental health health issues and i'm sure those kids were like well i'm never doing anything bad
01:22:14
again yes the shit that they saw like yeah or they were like i don't know she just said it was
01:22:20
really sad and bummed her out a lot it's clearly complicated yeah so these kids got sent there in
01:22:26
1963. Finally, it closed. It's now uninhabited and designated as a bird sanctuary. But wait,
01:22:34
it's illegal for anyone to go on the island without permission from the city. All the
01:22:37
buildings, though, still fucking stand. And these photographers sometimes go on there and take
01:22:42
photos. And you can see a bunch of the photos, we should put them up on Instagram of these gorgeous,
01:22:46
like brick buildings that are falling in a disrepair. And you can see the rooms where Mary
01:22:51
Mallon was fucking housed. And you can see the typhoid wing and you can see the fucking
01:22:55
crematorium and it's like it's insanely gorgeous i am asking any murderino who works for the city
01:23:02
of manhattan to please let me and karen come see the fucking island come and get a disease of our
01:23:09
own for ourselves and since it's like under you know under watch and you it's really hard to get
01:23:14
on there everything is still there so like people haven't graffitied and people haven't stolen shit
01:23:19
from the island. That's amazing. You need to see the photos. Everything is covered in wildlife.
01:23:25
It's gorgeous. Oh, I want to see that. It's amazing. It sounds like the island they threatened to send,
01:23:31
or that they promised to send Dr. Lecter to in Silence of the Lambs, that ends up to be,
01:23:37
that they were like, when she recites that thing, you are allowed to walk on the beach every day,
01:23:43
or whatever. I want to read that. It's so good. Do it again. and you will be allowed one you will be allowed one
01:23:51
walk uh one day a year well you can walk freely on the beach right with armed guards or whatever snipers oh I don know And she didn know it was fake either I know My friend Amy who you met when we were in Wisconsin she has signs of limbs memorized
01:24:14
I love that. I've watched it with her, and she'll just say the line real quick before.
01:24:18
It's my favorite thing in the world. Oh, I love it. You will be allowed to walk.
01:24:22
she'd be able to do that speech right off the right off the dome so good i love all these domes
01:24:28
um okay it's illegal blah blah blah uh but you could still see the the building the room where
01:24:34
typhoid mary spent the last 23 years of her life what's she doing there oh man she was bummed but
01:24:41
it's out it's just like there's varying accounts where it's like some say she was like actually
01:24:45
helping out there and like a maid and some say that she was just like in seclusion and they
01:24:49
abandoned her and used her as like a look at typhoid mary you know when people would come to
01:24:54
the island yeah it's like that kind of thing so you don't really know i hope there was a fox terrier
01:24:57
i hope so yeah and then uh i also want to mention there's a podcast if you're into this shit like i
01:25:05
am there's a podcast that's kind of new it's hosted by two these two young ladies who are
01:25:11
grad students in disease ecology it's called this podcast will kill you and it's just about
01:25:18
infectious diseases from history and every episode is that and these these two girls are named they're
01:25:23
both named aaron are like it's just an awesome podcast this podcast great yeah so this podcast
01:25:29
will kill you love it i like to imagine that typhoid mary sat in seclusion in her room on that island
01:25:36
and fantasized of all the different things she'd like to put her hand in so then like she'd be like
01:25:42
corn chowder or whatever and then just like mashed potatoes and then both hands the fantasy is just
01:25:49
like both bare arms go all the way in and then like she cleans her fingernails in the chowder
01:25:53
yes i wonder if she like requested like cooking magazines and like red recipes and was like
01:26:00
stick stick your arm completely in to be like this looks good but you know what needs my arm
01:26:06
My arm, my fingernail clippings. It's not funny. It's disgusting. It's terrible.
01:26:14
But isn't that amazing? It's incredible. Also, the idea, did you watch The Nick when it was on?
01:26:20
Yeah, and there's an episode involving her. I watched the little scene where they confront her.
01:26:30
That was such a good show, and they did that every once in a while. The show was so good.
01:26:33
She was great. But they did that where they would take those things out of history and be like,
01:26:38
this is what, where you don't have any sense, like things before modern medicine and modern stuff.
01:26:44
It's just the weirdest idea where they'd be like somebody coming in. They'd be like, well, we tried to stick a tube in their arm and then they died.
01:26:51
Like the end. Or it's just, it was so crazy precarious. The Nick is such a great show.
01:26:58
I love that. Yeah. If you're into that kind of thing, you should definitely watch it.
01:27:01
It was great. Also, if you've ever taken cocaine to the point where it was a problem for you, I warn.
01:27:07
Trigger warning. Huge cocaine trigger warning for the neck. Opium, too. You're like, I could be a doctor and do coke all the time.
01:27:13
Yeah. No. Maybe you're into opium dens, too. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. If you love to lay back with a bunch of people dressed in a traditional Chinese garb.
01:27:25
Yeah. Then this will be hard for you to get through. It's going to make you nuts.
01:27:28
But if you love surgery without gloves or anesthesia, this is the show for you. What a show.
01:27:33
Or Clive Owen. Right. That was great. Thank you. That was fun. I love to learn. I love teaching.
01:27:41
No. I love saying words wrong. I love teaching. I love to learn. I love to lie. I love to make up new words.
01:27:50
I love to just have fun with it. Just say shit and, you know, don't have any proclensity for caring.
01:27:57
I mean, I have a real preclensity to just say what I want. And I think we all do.
01:28:02
There's a freedom in that. In these preclensities we all have. In this preclenziest time, there's a freedom.
01:28:09
It's so... The funniest thing about Typhoid Murray is she had a real problem with preclenseliness.
01:28:17
Shit. No, I love it. It was a fucking valiant effort. I tried, but you could see me.
01:28:23
You could see me making that U-turn from miles away. Would you have made that attempt two years ago before this podcast?
01:28:30
Absolutely not. No, not at all. And so I applaud you. Real bias against puns, as you know.
01:28:34
And so I applaud you. And no, I think it's the effect that you have on my life. I'm making you stupider.
01:28:42
You're breaking down those pun walls. I am stupidering you. Hard. You know. Real hard.
01:28:51
What makes you happy? Let's see. falling down and snapping my ankle loudly in front of my neighbors.
01:28:58
Oh, no. I kind of have one. Yeah, go ahead. Okay, the thing that makes me happy this week is this book that I'm listening to.
01:29:05
Thank you, Audible. It's sci-fi fantasy, and it's one of those books that makes me,
01:29:12
that someone thought of this narrative and thought of this, like, you know, idea makes me happy that humans, that certain humans exist.
01:29:21
You know, it's like so fucking joyous that like people can think of these things and write these books and it's gorgeous and I love it.
01:29:27
It's called the it's called Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky. And it's sci fi fantasy.
01:29:34
The book is really fun to listen to. It's fucking weird shit. It's like post human space stuff with their spiders.
01:29:43
I've never in my life thought I would ever have sympathy to spiders, but I do. It's like such a good book and it's making me really happy to exist.
01:29:52
Wow. And a lot of like, they like a hitchhiker guide to the galaxy you know like that that the last book that done that for me which has made me like so happy that Douglas Adams existed And I get a live here Because it like big theories and thoughts and feelings
01:30:07
Yeah. I'm like, wow, someone thought of that. Our brains are bigger than, you know, in these preclincip times.
01:30:14
Where everything feels kind of preclincip. Right. And I know I'm not going to write that fucking book. So I appreciate that Adrian
01:30:20
Tchaikovsky has. Yeah. So that really sat down and pounded it out. yeah so that's making me happy agreed agreed what's yours okay mine is this is it this was a
01:30:31
uh tweet that i received two days ago you did too um from a woman named molly on uh hold on
01:30:40
oh sorry haunted train that's so fucking loud this is um it's me chair neck on twitter and she
01:30:51
He wrote to us and said, don't be alarmed if there's a body down there, in quotes.
01:30:55
And then the headline of the article that she sent us says, sinkhole reveals hidden room below family's garage.
01:31:03
That's right. And then there's a picture of shelving that they can see through the hole.
01:31:08
And on the shelf, there's toys, but it's also all dark and creepy. And it's like this article.
01:31:16
So it happened in Idaho Falls, Idaho. This family, apparently when they like, there's like an inch of cement.
01:31:25
Yeah. And then the sinkhole happened. Yeah. And basically there had been a hidden room underneath their house.
01:31:34
And it's in a place where there's normally not sellers. Right. So they're like, they think it's possible that could have been like a bomb shelter, but probably not.
01:31:44
Yeah. And a bunch of stuff that's down there has been down there for like 40 or 50 years.
01:31:50
Is that how, I couldn't find how long it was. It's like 40 or 50 years. I don't think that they knew.
01:31:54
Because they were like letters and shit. Yes. But they. That's the craziest. Let me see if I can get a year.
01:32:00
I love it. Oh, the home was built in the 50s and it was built as a basement home.
01:32:06
Then someone came in the 70s and remodeled it and added the second story. So I bet in the 70s someone put it down there.
01:32:13
Yeah. but they say it's definitely not a bomb shelter um and that it's sketchy and the insurance provider
01:32:23
and the engineer are the ones that said don't be alarmed if you find a body down there that's
01:32:27
amazing um don't be alarmed if you find a body because they're basically going down there and
01:32:34
looking through it it's it's just like that picture of the old kind of water moldy letters
01:32:41
and stuff it's just the creepiest story of all time so i'm very as i think you know but i i'm
01:32:49
not sure if everybody knows but i'm obsessed with sinkholes sinkholes are truly my passion
01:32:55
anytime they come i was i was never more livid remember the sinkhole that came up off of laurel
01:33:01
canyon yeah i was up in petaluma and i saw it on the news and i was livid because you couldn't go
01:33:08
meet it in person yeah i would have meet and greet i would have walked right down there i would have
01:33:13
paid top dollar for that meet and greet and then like hi where did you come from what's your deal
01:33:18
what's happening down there is it a are you a hidden river oh or are you something entirely
01:33:23
different that's amazing yeah sinkhole and hidden room come on my favorite sinkhole that's amazing
01:33:30
this is a double z's for you it's a sinkhole and a hidden room and because the best part about
01:33:35
usually sinkholes fill back up with water because that's why they're there in the first place it's
01:33:39
like the water table got too close blah de blah look at you well it's made up but um but it's a
01:33:46
water involved you know that's why sure uh it's erosion but it's underneath okay anyhow there's
01:33:54
no water in this in that cellar it's like they can go down and look into it i know it's not like
01:34:00
it got flooded immediately or filled with silt no i want to go i want to go down there let's go
01:34:05
it's like an amusement park let's go idaho is not that far away um thanks for listening everyone
01:34:12
yeah that was a fun one yeah there's all kinds of crazy shit in that one take it run with it
01:34:18
do your thing do your thing do a fucking herky herk at the end of it do a herky i'm if it's
01:34:25
Please, if you're going to correct me on the Herky positioning. Don't do it. You have to be a professional cheerleader.
01:34:32
I'll only take emails from professional cheerleaders. And you have to send a video of you doing a Herk.
01:34:37
We need the correct Herk. And then we'll play the audio of the video. Then you go, ah!
01:34:43
And breaking your back. Herky! Herky! Thanks for listening, friends. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered.
01:34:52
Goodbye. Bye. Elvis, you want a cookie? Bro, from the show last night to this drive, why is it never chill?
01:35:02
Because this is our life. Backstage, on the road, it's loud, messy, real. And that's the best part.
01:35:08
Whole crew, no plan, just moving. Good thing Nissan builds for that kind of chaos.
01:35:14
Not just test tracks, real life scenes. Late nights, road trips, all of it. That's why it holds up.
01:35:20
Nissan was ranked number one in initial quality among mainstream brands by J.D. Power.
01:35:25
Yeah, you can tell. 2026 Nissan Rogue built for what really happens. For J.D. Power 2025 U.S. Initial Quality Study Award information, visit jdpower.com slash awards.
01:35:37
Awards based on 2025 model year, newer models may be shown. Running a business shouldn't feel like surviving a software group project.
01:35:44
One app for accounting, another for inventory, another for sales. and somehow none of them talk to each other.
01:35:52
That's where Odoo comes in, an all-in-one business management software that brings every part of your business together.
01:35:58
From sales and accounting inventory and marketing all in one powerful platform no messy integrations no bouncing
01:36:06
between tabs and best of all no spreadsheets stop managing software and start managing your
01:36:12
business with one unified system try for free today at odoo.com slash iheart radio that's odoo.com
01:36:21
slash iheart radio we learned how to love dogs from the dogs that loved us and waited for us to
01:36:28
it home from school. They were the dogs that raised us. We returned the love with Pedigree
01:36:33
dog food. It was good then. It's better now. For 40 years, Pedigree has been bringing out
01:36:40
the goodness in dogs. Every bowl serves up 100% of the nutrition your dog needs, supporting
01:36:46
six health essentials. That's the Pedigree goodness promise. Pedigree. Good then. Better now.