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Okay. Right? I can match your volume. Can you match up here? Yes. I was going to sing, but you don't.
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You don't want that. I just don't want that. What the fuck was that? Oh, yes, you do.
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Don't make me sing. I'm bad at it. Elvis is getting the fuck out of here. Everyone's a good singer when you sing like that.
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That's true. When you sing like a jingle singer, you're good. Watch your hand on the...
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Oh, shit. You're already doing it. Okay. Maybe we should get, like, mic stands. Hold the mic like Marilyn McCoo.
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Who's that? The host of Solid Gold. You're too young. I get what you mean, but I don't know who.
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It's Dionne Warwick held it like this, too. We were just pinching it. That's what I got.
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Guys, are we on? Oh, that whole thing was the opening of the show. Oh, good, good.
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For sure. Quality. That's quality shit right there. Maybe don't. We're trying to make sure that our mics, that the sound quality is legit.
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What do I sound like? You sound amazing. Maybe don't maybe let's not let's try not to touch the cord.
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I know rules this week. Maybe don't get comfortable. Could you please sit up straight?
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Yeah. Maybe stand on one foot. I was definitely way too loud at the beginning of last episode.
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I've never noticed that. I cried in my car because it sounded so obnoxious. But I did.
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That was the day I had a pour over coffee. Oh, cold brew coffee. Fuck cold brew.
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I think maybe a little lower. Okay. Because you look so uncomfortable right now.
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I am uncomfortable. Hang out. I've never noticed a weird, like, I've never noticed it weird, but I'm busy laughing my
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ass off at us when I listen. So you look so uncomfortable. Get comfortable. Just be aware.
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I think you're fine. Okay. Yeah. Guys, everyone happy? Let's go. Okay. So we're going to take that whole part off.
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No, we're not. Welcome to my favorite murder. Behind the scenes. Behind the scenes.
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Behind the crime scene. This is the director's cut of My Favorite Murder. You know, a minute ago I wrote something down and I was like cracking myself up by it.
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Yeah. You want to know what it was? Yes. Okay. Because, oh, well, I guess we should introduce the show.
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You just did it. I did. I did. And they know our name. I'm Karen Kilgareff. That's the voice you're listening to right now is Karen Kilgareff.
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I think you have like a gravelly, sexy voice. Yeah. I was trying to make it sound kind of sexy.
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You stay sexy. Yeah. And I try not to get murdered. Right. and you have a murder voice.
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I fucking, my voice, man. I sound like a cartoon character. Like a bull, like the little,
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like female bully cartoon character. Be careful of what you say because our voices sound very similar.
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They totally don't. People talk about it all the time. I know, but people have a hard time.
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I appreciate that. Okay. So I was going to say we should, we have to do, what's it called
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when you like do a wrap up in the beginning? Housekeeping. Housekeeping. But I said,
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maybe instead we should call it crime scene cleanup. That's what made me laugh so hard.
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This is the problem of having self-esteem is you just think you're very funny. Yeah, you're getting a real big head.
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There's so many problems with having self-esteem. This is one of them. It's a spiral of liking yourself and it's disgusting.
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It never goes well. No, you need an intervention eventually. You are definitely driving toward a brick wall.
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But I think I doing a great job driving that car That right You like check this out I shifting into third Boom Reality hits But I am good at stick shift
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Me too. My father taught us it was very important that we learn how to drive a stick,
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not lug the engine, not grind the gears. It's very important to him. I don't even know what any of that means because I never did it.
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No, that's not true. I used to grind the shit out of that thing, but I knew how to drive it.
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Well, that's good. Yeah, I think that's such a badass lady thing to know. You know what?
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It's actually a prerequisite because then any situation that you're in, if you get into a car, it doesn't matter what car it is.
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You should also learn how to hotwire cars. You always have a way out. Well, here's another thing.
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Did you watch the movie with – here I go again. No, you got it. With Kirsten Dunst where it's the end of the world?
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Yes. Okay, so like none of the cars start anymore because they're all electronic and computerized.
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And so once that shit cuts out, you're going to have to fucking hotwire a 72 Datsun.
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That's right. And get the fuck out of there. And guess what? It's stick shift. It's stick shift.
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If you get on a hill, you don't have to hotwire it. You take that emergency brake off.
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You throw it into second. You start rolling down the hill and you pop it into gear and it will go.
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I used to drive it, have a little Vespa and you'd have to do that all the run. Like give it a running start.
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Yeah. Which was terrifying. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Yeah. You got it. Standard shift. Everybody got to learn it.
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An end of the world podcast. Also, it's much easier. It's one of those things where like, you know, when you were little and you didn't know how to tell time and you're like, this is impossible.
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I'm never going to learn it. When I was little. You mean recently. It just takes me an extra beat.
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Yeah. It's a thinker. Yeah. You got to think about it. But driving a stick shift, it's an H shape, H formation.
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First gear, top of the H, second gear, bottom of the first stick of the H. The middle part is neutral.
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then you're going into third over at the top of the second stick. But you know what? When it comes down to it
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I mean if you're getting, if you need to get the fuck out of there burn up that first gear and just fucking
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Just go. Just go. Throw it into second because actually you can lug it a little bit in second
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but you can get more speed. This is a very real thing I have pictured in my mind
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right now. I do too. I feel like we're helping one person. Every time we do. Every time.
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But also just get some dude who might even like you a little bit, who would be willing to spend a half an hour in the CVS parking lot with you and just drive a stick shift around.
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Ten minutes of that is giving him a hand job as a thank you. Yeah. It's just your hand.
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That's disgusting. No, I mean, ew, gross. What's wrong with you? All of that should get cut out for sure.
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Okay, now starting now. Hi, welcome to my favorite murder. We're the worst people.
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Stupid. No, we're the best people. We're just trying to help you and relax after a long day of work.
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Yeah, we're doing it. I don't work, but we're doing it. You do. I kind of work. I had therapy today.
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Oh, that's work. It is. How was it? Great. My new therapist is, I guess she's not new anymore, but.
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You know, the times my therapy is the best is when I go in there being like, I don't know what the fuck we're going to talk about today.
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I'm doing great. Yes. I'm feeling good. Like, I don't have a thing to like bring to her.
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And then it's like the best day of therapy. Yes. Because it kind of blindsides you.
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Yeah. Something comes out and then you're like, holy shit. Because it can lead anywhere.
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As opposed to like, here's this problem. I need you to help me walk through it. Right.
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It's like, it's the background to what, to when you do bring her a problem. She's going to be like, here are the little things you've already told me when we didn't
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have anything to talk about that are that are the reason you're doing this fucking thing also
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things can dawn on you when you have days like that where you're talking and then you go wait a
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second that's why i got so upset for real yes you can't i was gonna say what was it was all
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sex stuff so i'll tell you after about the fucked up porn i'm into but i don't want to talk about it on the podcast is this our rated x we haven't really gone into
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sex that much personally on this on this podcast i feel like that is not a necessary thing that's
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not our area i feel like there's probably plenty of podcasts that do that even that handjob joke
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was very off color for us there's got to be high schoolers listening to this oh they love handjob
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jokes though oh yeah okay they know what handjobs are that's are you kidding me i don't fucking
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they're like snapchatting them left right and center it's all they do all day um housekeeping
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Housekeeping. Okay, we have t-shirts available at myfavoritemurdershirts.com. They're only available until June 1st, at which point the orders are going to be fulfilled.
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And then we're going to come out with a new shirt probably like the beginning of July.
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But this is the last time for the time being that you'll be able to get this shirt.
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Yeah. So you should go get one. We promise that the first person we see wearing the shirt, we will hug and then murder because
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wouldn't that be funny? Yeah. That's the ultimate prize. And then I'm feeling a little emotional recoil from telling my period story.
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I think it was a mistake. We can cut it out. So stop talking about it. Okay, bye.
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Because then there's going to be no like recall. Actually, let's leave that part in.
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Because they'll know they fucking missed. And they're going to be like, what is she talking about?
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You guys missed. Oh, one more piece of housekeeping. I have a comedy show at the Improv Lab
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which is in Hollywood at the Improv they have a smaller room next to the main room
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called the Lab and Wednesday, June 8th at 10pm mine and April Richardson's show business class
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she's a friend of the show we love her you might know her from Go Bayside the great podcast Go Bayside we have a comedy show there And so come to that if you feel like it We would love to have you
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It's super fun. And it's just a bunch of different people. I know Guy Branham is going to do it.
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Jay Weingarten is going to do it. Chris Fairbanks is on it. I believe Jamie Lee from Girl Code will be there.
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Lovely. And I'm going to come. It's my birthday. It's Georgia's birthday that night.
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Be in the audience. Please don't kill me. If you're around, don't kill Georgia during my show.
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I'll get really mad at you. Has anyone? Yeah. And my tombstone sang June 8th to June 8th.
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Oh, that would be cool, though. But not this year. Shut up. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.
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It's a boring year. It's 36. I thought your point was different. No, it was don't do that.
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Oh, shit, guys. It was disgusting. Should we get into the murder? Favorite murder.
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Oh, sorry. I don't know how to sing, as I mentioned earlier. They didn't know that was...
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Oh, here we go. Guys, I'm going first this week? I think you're first. I think I am.
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I'm going to get cuddled in. Yeah. I'm going to have this half a glass of whiskey.
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Drink some of your whiskey. I wish I could. I drank all mine already. Before you were 30.
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It was up, yeah, in 1997. I had my last one. Shit. God, I was good at it. My therapist told me that we're doing an experiment where I'm drinking two glasses of booze a day just to see how it goes.
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So I'm allowed to have two glasses of booze a day. Oh, no more, no less. Yeah. We're just like seeing how this goes.
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So it's almost like, what if you don't feel like it? Oh, no, then I still have to force it down.
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Yeah. And this is clearly like this was two glasses of whiskey and one big cup. Oh, that's fun.
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Does that count as one? It does to me. There you go. If I was your therapist. Hell yeah, girl.
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I had this realization when I was trying to think of this week's. There's so many good cases and there's so many people over your passion about the cases that are their story.
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or just ones they like or think are fascinating. There was a guy that tweeted me a case.
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His Twitter handle was at Arkansasyer, so it was almost like Arkansas lawyer. And it was a case of a guy, I think his name was Bobby Lee Foster or Bobby Joe Foster,
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who killed his own mother, Edna, and decapitated her and put the head in the local church
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and then took the eyes and mailed them to Eisenhower. what in the actual fuck yeah it was crazy but um uh so i was kind of into that thank you for
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sending that i love it i mean you know but i had a realization that when we were talking about our
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kickoff murders um the ones that got us kind of into it i realized that factually and date wise i
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had an earlier one than diane towns and it it because it happened in the bay area um and it's
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this Lawrence Singleton attack on Mary Vincent and later murder of, so I'll just tell you about it.
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Let's unpack. Let's unpack this. It happened in 1978. So I was eight years old and this was on the news.
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It was like in 1979 is when he went to trial and all this stuff happened and it was on the news every night.
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My parents were livid. They talked about it all the time. You must have just been, you were there too.
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Yes, because we watched the news together as a family every night before dinner.
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I feel like there's nothing more harmful for a kid than the news. Yeah, no one knew.
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I know. This was the late 70s where no one knew what was good or bad for children.
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It was all just like, eat your cereal, go outside, try to survive, come home, and then we'll watch the news together.
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It was a generation away from children, after children being coal miners. Yes, exactly.
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It was that weird time in between coal mining and children being carried their entire lives until they get to college.
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Right. Essentially. So I'm the last of the last of that generation I lived. So here's the story.
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On September 29th 1978 a man named Lawrence Singleton who was a merchant seaman always a bad job Richard Speck was a merchant seaman Oh really Yeah It bad news I think it what happens when you like super fucked up and but you so fucked up you don want to join the army right so you like oh i go out on a ship for a while with a bunch of dudes yeah
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um so he picked up a 15 year old hitchhiker named mary vincent in berkeley california honey
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mary had run away from home uh she lived in las vegas her parents were getting divorced it was all
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fucked up and she had friends in the Bay Area and relatives. So she made her way up to the Bay Area,
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but she was homesick and she'd been on her own for a while. She had a boyfriend that was bad to
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her. She left him, ran away. She just wanted to get back home. Sweetie. So she is hitchhiking
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in Berkeley and a van pulls up and there are two people hitchhiking behind her. Now, just so you
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You know, there's Mary Vincent herself tells this story on an episode of I Survived.
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It was season four, episode one. Whoa. And it is epic. I know you don't like survivors.
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I fucking love survivors. And things like this where you get the firsthand account of something.
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This story is also insanely fucked up. I guess if it's been that long, I can deal with it.
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Right. And it's when they can tell their own story. they're not you know that they're able they're in charge of this narrative and they can tell you
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what happened and yeah and like when it's a grizzled fucking bartender like cafe waitress
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and she's like this this is what fucking happened to me i can deal with it but when it's like some
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like college girl whose life is ruined no you well because here's the thing the saddest part
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about it but the truest part about it is it happens to a lot of people yeah so when you have
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one woman sitting there going, here's what happened to me, A, B, C, and D. You not only
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get the don't fucking hitchhike, keep your eyes open, pick up on context clues, you have
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all that, but you also have survive and you can survive and you can come out the other
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end and help other people. And it's okay to tell your story. You don't have to keep this huge secret. There's other
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people who have been through similar or worse. And you have to tell your story. That's part of healing.
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Right. So so a lot of what I have here is basically her firsthand account. Holy shit. So the van pulls up and there's two hitchhikers behind her in Berkeley, 78.
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And the guy that's driving the van says he only has room for one person and says it's Mary.
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Well, the two hitchhikers behind her go, don't get in that van because they can see into the back of the van.
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the whole thing's empty. There's plenty of room. But if a person's saying he only has room for the
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young girl, they go, don't take that ride. But she was so tired. She just wanted to get home.
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So she was like, and he looked like a grandfather. Oh, really? Yes. He's this big pot bellied,
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kind of grizzly old guy. He was like in his mid 60s at the time. So she's like, what's that guy
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going to do? Yeah. So she gets in. And she's really tired. She's been walking and hitchhiking
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for a long time. So she says, I'm trying to go back home to Las Vegas. He says, I'll give you,
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I'm going to Reno, but I'll give you a ride to Los Angeles, which is that right there.
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What? That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. Why? So she settles in
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and she falls asleep. Don't do it. Don't do it. She wakes up and they have gone east
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and not south. When she finally sees a sign, they're somewhere out in Patterson.
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They're somewhere out by Modesto. They're on the other side of the five. There's a lot of, for people not from here,
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there's a lot, especially in the 70s, there's a lot of no man's land. Yes, a lot of, especially in the Central Valley,
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which is where he drove her out to. It's just all empty rural farmland roads, little hills with an oak tree on top.
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There's nothing. So she notices that they're going east. She freaks out, confronts him, says, what the hell are you doing?
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He says, I'm sorry, I'm an honest man. I made an honest mistake. Let me just turn around.
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He pulls around. He turns around, starts going down the road, and he says, sorry, I have to go.
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I have to relieve myself. He pulls the van over. She's getting nervous. She realizes this is now a bad situation.
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It's nighttime. He's down relieving himself, and she looks down and realizes one of her shoes untied.
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and she thinks to herself, if I have to run for some reason, and I could outrun this old fat guy,
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but if I have to do it, she's like, I got to tie my shoe. So she gets out of the van too.
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She bends over to tie her shoe and she blacks out. He hit her in the head with a sledgehammer.
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She wakes up. She's tied up in the back of the van. After her sledgehammer hit, she wakes up?
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She wakes up. So he just conks her out. Yeah, she doesn't like, thank God, she didn't die.
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And when she wakes up, she's tied up and she's naked. Oh, fuck. And he starts raping her.
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He rapes her all night and into the morning. And the whole time, she's, of course, crying.
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She's 15 years old, crying, whatever, and saying, just set me free. Please, I won't tell anyone.
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Just set me free. Sometime in the morning, when he's finally done, he pulls her out of the van, unties her, and says, you want to be set free?
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I'll set you free. Picks up a hatchet. No. Out of the back of the van. No. Cuts off her left arm.
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She's screaming below the elbow. She's screaming, freaking out, going crazy. She grabs him with her right arm, going, freaking out.
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He takes the hatchet, and he starts hacking off her right arm. What the fuck? But the craziest thing to me is as you're telling this, I'm like reminding myself that she survived,
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but it doesn't fucking sound like she's going to. I know. It's crazy. She is holding on to him, but she falls backwards anyway.
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And that's when she realizes that her right hand has been, her right arm has been chopped off.
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Oh my God. So she's all, of course, in total shock, confused, losing blood, looking.
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And this is the most fucked up part of her story. There's more fucked up than that.
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This is, it peaks in fucked upness right here. Holy shit. She sees him, she's looking and like she can't understand what just happened.
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and she's looking at him and he is flicking his arm like this. He's flicking his arm out.
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Yes. No. She looks and her right hand is still holding on to his arm. Oh, my fucking.
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Ew, I just got, I gave myself chills and I know this story. Because you had your hand in like a claw just now.
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I did it. So she passes out or she like kind of goes limp. Sure. She's bleeding, obviously, profusely, losing blood, lightheaded, laying on the ground.
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So she just goes limp because she just doesn't know what to do. She's now in the presence of a monster.
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He thinks she's dying or dead. He drags her body over to the railing and throws her over a 30-foot cliff.
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On the way down, she breaks four ribs, and he drives away. Now, later on, when the police catch him, which I'll just let you off the hook now, the police catch him,
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and they put together that the reason he did that is because he thought she'd be dead
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and he didn't want them to be able to get her fingerprints. Okay, who found her?
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How did she get found? I tell you now. So she's down in this fucking ravine and she's laying there
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and she's losing blood like crazy and she wants to go to sleep. But she said that there was a voice in her head saying,
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you cannot go to sleep. You have to get up so they can catch this guy. So she puts her bloody stumps in the dirt
00:26:03
and makes a mud pack. So she stops losing blood. Oh my God. On both arms. And then she starts crawling back up the ravine.
00:26:13
30 feet. It takes her all night. Oh no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That was the morning.
00:26:19
He dumped her over in the morning. So she crawls back up the ravine. It takes her all day.
00:26:24
She finally gets up to the top of the ravine and back onto the road at night. And then she starts walking naked, covered in blood with two stump arms.
00:26:37
She walked for three miles. Oh, my God. The first car that came up was two dudes in a convertible.
00:26:44
And they saw her. No. And they fucking sped away. No. Yeah. Yes. and she said herself in this i survived she goes i looked like something out of a horror movie
00:26:56
she's like i didn't blame them at all because she it was i mean beyond something you'd see in a
00:27:02
horror movie yeah and on in a on a far away like a deserted road in the middle of the night where
00:27:08
there's no this is out um where there's no street lights there's you're it like she said she was
00:27:14
walking by the light of the moon it was totally in my mind too it's like these two dudes are married
00:27:18
men and they're gay lovers and they're they're like on a clandestine you know romance thing and
00:27:25
if they stop to help her they have to call the cops they're gonna get caught together yep that's
00:27:30
just in my head that's like that's very plausible like hopefully these aren't monsters i mean
00:27:36
here's what i'm sure of they carry it with them to this day yes imagine leaving a person like and
00:27:44
And they read the newspaper the next day. And they're like, look what we did. And she could have died.
00:27:50
They could have saved her. And then she could have died. But here's who did save her.
00:27:53
Who? She walks a little further. A couple who was on their honeymoon. Oh, no, no, no.
00:27:58
Who took the wrong exit and is driving around trying to get back to the I-5. Oh, which is close enough so that Mary heard the noise of the I-5 all day and was like, I just have to get back up.
00:28:11
because there will be someone if I walk toward that sound. So that's how she guided herself back toward civilization.
00:28:20
These people grab her, put her in the back of the truck, and say, we're going to get you help.
00:28:26
And she said she heard them speeding so fast you could hear the tires screeching.
00:28:32
They get to a phone. Can I say real quick what half the people listening, the murderinos, dream honeymoon.
00:28:40
Exactly. exactly like what else are you gonna do if i can play canasta well because imagine you you're like
00:28:49
oh i've married i love him so much yeah he's the man for me now if the man for you was one of those
00:28:56
guys in that convertible right who's like we have to get out of here you'd be like you get out of my
00:29:00
life forever i bet they're still together 100 yeah they get her they get to that pay phone they call
00:29:08
and they airlift her to the hospital. So it wasn't even an ambulance situation. They were like straight in.
00:29:14
Oh, honey, the relief she must have felt. Oh, my God. To be saved. So she, sorry, I'm on the next page already.
00:29:25
Because here's, by the way, I want everyone to know you're like fucking telling this.
00:29:28
You're not even looking at your notes. Because I remember this happening when I was little.
00:29:33
Holy shit. I remember my mother being so livid. And she would talk about Lawrence Singleton, this disgusting piece of shit.
00:29:41
She would talk about him all the time. Well, because I'll get into it. I have to go faster.
00:29:47
Were all these details on the news? No but it was a man who raped a girl chopped her arms off and threw her into a ditch That enough That was plenty Yeah Because you can that when it was like oh my God that could happen That real Even the word rape
00:30:05
like you don't even talk about, like couples in fucking sitcoms didn't sleep in the same bed.
00:30:10
Right, exactly. Well, I'm not from the 50s, Georgia. Oh my God. I mean that the Brady Bunch was the,
00:30:16
oh my God. So she lost over half the blood in her body. Wow. But from her hospital bed,
00:30:23
she described a picture of him so accurately to the police sketch artist that Lawrence Singleton's
00:30:30
next door neighbor saw it and immediately called the police. Even though she was friends with him
00:30:35
and like knew him for years, she was like, that's Lawrence Singleton. That's my next door neighbor.
00:30:40
She's one of us. So yes, exactly. So and I do have to say this in the article that I found that
00:30:47
it a piece of information from for some reason in the line, it said housewife and bowling
00:30:53
expert. Wow. I want her life. They really described her to a T. I want that life.
00:31:01
That's a pretty good life. So they arrest Lawrence Singleton nine days later. I like to call him Larry.
00:31:08
Larry. And when he was questioned, Singleton told the police that Mary was a $10 whore, that
00:31:16
he was passed out drunk in his van, and that his other friend Larry is the one that attacked
00:31:21
her. and that there were two other hookers in the van at the time. What a fucking monster.
00:31:28
Lunatic. So she testifies against him in court. Get a girl. With two prosthetic, her two prosthetic limbs on.
00:31:37
She'd already been fitted for them. She was still a teenager. I mean, that is a hard thing to do on its own.
00:31:44
Now listen to this. As she walks out after testifying against him, he whispers to her,
00:31:49
if it's the last thing I do, I'll finish the job. Oh, I was hoping she'd say motherfucker or like something at him.
00:31:58
No, no. Poor girl. She ran out. So in March of 1979, a San Diego jury convicts him of kidnapping, mayhem, attempted murder,
00:32:07
forcible rape, sodomy, and forced oral copulation and gives him the maximum sentence at the time.
00:32:14
Can I guess? No. Go ahead. Sorry, I'm just keep interrupting. No, no, no. Seven years?
00:32:19
14 years. For all of that, for all of those crimes combined, the maximum legal sentence was 14 years.
00:32:27
That's like almost how old she was. Yes, that's exactly right. So the judge who had to pass that sentence said, if I had the power, I would send him to prison for the rest of his natural life.
00:32:41
so along with the particularly gruesome and callous aspects of the crime the case became
00:32:49
totally notorious because he was paroled after serving eight years in prison i just
00:32:58
can't okay so this is when shit went off because that's when it started on the news every night
00:33:06
this guy got paroled and it was like my parents talked about it people talked about it in the
00:33:11
grocery store it was like how is this happening and you know what happened is in 1983 they passed
00:33:17
a work incentive law kind of quietly passed it so that they could reduce prison overcrowding
00:33:23
where a day was cut off your sentence for each day that the prisoner spent working at the jail
00:33:30
Or you could make pot legal and get a bunch of fucking prisoners out of jail. That's exactly right.
00:33:36
And make the murderers and rapists go there for fucking ever. Why in God's name would you have a work incentive law applied to attempted murderer rapists?
00:33:44
Well, this was back when they were like, rape, eh. It was probably her. She probably asked for it.
00:33:49
She was probably a $10 whore. Right. Motherfuckers. So they announce that his release date, this is Ed Martin, who is the associate warden of the California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo, where he was serving his time.
00:34:07
His release date, Martin said, if there's continued good behavior and work and no change in his programs will be approximately April 28th, which was eight years, four months of time.
00:34:19
and every one of the barrier went bananas. So here's what happened. They tried to parole him to Antioch, California
00:34:26
and the mayor protests the Department of Corrections and so acknowledging the public outcry,
00:34:34
the Department of Corrections agrees not to release Singleton and Antioch so they try to place him with relatives in Tampa, Florida.
00:34:41
People rise up in Tampa, Florida and the Tampa chapter of the Guardian Angels, which was a big thing in the 80s remember them yeah um they lead these protests and eventually
00:34:53
florida officials reject the prolly so they can't go back to tampa now if you're if fucking
00:35:00
if the hell's what is it hell's angels no the guardian angels oh what are they they were this
00:35:06
oh they were they were i thought you meant the hell's they were basically um when in the 80s
00:35:11
when crime was crazy it was basically at the end of the um recession when things were kind of
00:35:17
shitty it was like back when new york was a total dump the guardian angels were this group of
00:35:22
basically um what do you call them like uh like mothers against drug driving type of thing no no
00:35:29
no these were uh i can't think of the term for it it was time by the way like you're not in any
00:35:36
hurry it will like it's just long and i just want to get through the whole thing but nobody uh thanks
00:35:41
cocktails listen take your time everything's fine no but it was the they were like um when you're
00:35:49
like a citizen that taking law into your own hands what are those called like a um citizen so they basically were like we taking back the streets So they would go They wore red berets and shirts that said Guardian Angels They all knew karate
00:36:05
They were all like muscled out dudes. And they would ride the subway at night to make sure that like –
00:36:12
Vigilante. There it is. They were total vigilantes. And they basically were like their own gang but a positive gang.
00:36:19
So they just made sure like that people didn't get attacked on the subway. and every city started popping up with their own group of the guardian angels.
00:36:31
Eventually, of course, they dispersed because I think they took things a little too far,
00:36:35
as it usually happens. But anyway, they actually did some good stuff in the beginning where people,
00:36:41
there weren't enough cops and there was just a lot of crime. So he has to come back from Tampa, Florida, which is where his family was.
00:36:48
But Tampa was like, go fuck yourself. And, you know, Florida's kicking out. You're probably a big, pretty big piece of shit.
00:36:55
So then he where did he go? So then they try to release him in Martinez, California, and and which is also in Contra Costa County.
00:37:05
So the Contra Costa County Board of Supervisors and four city council members win a temporary restraining order from a superior court judge barring the Department of Corrections for placing Singleton anywhere in Contra Costa County.
00:37:21
So they're like, quit bringing that motherfucker back here. He's not allowed. Yeah, ain't going to happen.
00:37:25
So now they try to place him in San Francisco. But police chief Frank Jordan at the time, he's told that they're going to bring Singleton to San Francisco for a couple weeks.
00:37:39
And San Francisco wins a temporary restraining order barring him from San Francisco.
00:37:45
So then they take him to Redwood City secretly. But reporters find out that he's there in a hotel.
00:37:52
and protesters surround the hotel and the Department of Corrections has to pull him out of this hotel
00:37:59
and get him out before the protesters rip him apart. What a bummer to be one of those cops and be like,
00:38:05
I fucking hate this guy. You don't want to protect that piece of shit. So now a court of appeals overturned
00:38:11
that restraining order saying that Contra Costa County and San Francisco couldn't have him
00:38:15
there. So then they tried to place him in El Cerrito, which is not in Contra Costa
00:38:21
County. That's a little bit further north, I think. But the Contra Costa County officials find out that they're
00:38:27
going to try to place him in El Cerrito and they tell the El Cerrito, they tell the press in El Cerrito.
00:38:34
So then protests begin there. So basically now, everyone's telling everybody they're trying to
00:38:39
place this piece of shit in the North Bay. And everybody, so then they try to put him in Richmond,
00:38:46
but the mayor finds out and the officials are all like, fuck no, get him out of here. Then they try to bring
00:38:51
him to a city called Rodeo, which I've never even heard of before. Doesn't even exist.
00:38:57
But people find out and a mob of 500 people gathers around this apartment and they actually
00:39:05
have to take him out in a bulletproof vest. And he's escorted out of town by the sheriff's department.
00:39:12
So it was this is kind of that thing where, yes, this is the kind of the worst story ever,
00:39:16
but also the greatest story ever. We're like, just the citizens were like, no, dude.
00:39:23
Like maybe legislature says that you can get out of jail, but we say no. So they move him to Concord.
00:39:30
175 people gather at the hotel where they're keeping him there. Finally, the governor says, put a trailer on the grounds of San Quentin
00:39:39
and he can live there until his parole is over. Love it. Jerry Brown? George Duke Major.
00:39:44
All right. So that's what he has to do. He has to live on the grounds of San Quentin until his one-year parole is up.
00:39:52
Then he's free to go wherever he wants. And they're not even attracted. Well, then there's just kind of nothing they can do because nothing's in the system about him.
00:39:59
So he goes back to Florida. And when he gets there, they find out that he's there.
00:40:09
People protest. A car dealer offered him $5,000 to leave the state. And a homemade bomb was detonated near the house that he was staying in, but no one was injured, unfortunately.
00:40:20
Bummer. In 1997, a neighbor calls the police after seeing Lawrence Singleton attacking a woman in his home.
00:40:29
And when the police arrive, they find the body of 31-year-old mother of three, Roxanne Hines.
00:40:35
Fuck. She's also a sex worker, but I wanted to say the mother of three part first so that people care.
00:40:41
Yeah, so that they know that she was so hard up for money. That financial problems made it so that she had to do this.
00:40:50
And then she got stabbed 12 times in the face and chest by this piece of shit. And when he answered the door, he answered the door to the cops with his shirt open and blood all over his chest.
00:41:02
How many cold cases can be attributed to him? Like, so there's no way that it was one in 78.
00:41:08
Well, they say that the reason that he got parole early like that was because he didn't have priors.
00:41:17
Yeah, he didn't have, which is not to say he didn't do anything, but that he didn't have a record.
00:41:22
Still, I think cutting off a girl's arms and leaving her for a debt is worse than your prior for aggravated assault or whatever.
00:41:30
And I think you're right. That's not a first crime. No. At all. Especially when you're 60, you know, like you're starting, you know.
00:41:37
Yeah, no way. Yeah. Okay. so mary vincent goes to tampa to uh appear at his sentencing and tells her whole fucking story
00:41:47
she describes her whole attack the whole the the toll that the ordeal has taken on her whole life
00:41:53
because of course it been you know a terror yeah and she you know she gotten her life together a little bit But of course she just lives in constant fear Sure When she was when he was paroled like she was doing fine and going to art school in the Pacific Northwest
00:42:09
Then he got paroled and she fell apart. As he said to her as she left the courtroom, I'm going to finish this.
00:42:15
If it takes the rest of my life, I'll finish the job. Like, yeah. Why isn't that considered when he's when they think he's going out for parole?
00:42:22
So the jury deliberated for one hour and he was sentenced to death because good old Florida.
00:42:30
Good. So unfortunately, he died of cancer in the prison hospital instead of being fried.
00:42:38
We're very we're being very vicious in this. We really are. in this one. But apparently what he said
00:42:46
when he was sentenced, he said he denied mutilating Mary Vincent. He still denied it.
00:42:54
Not killing her, just mutilating her? No, no, no. Mary Vincent is the girl whose arms he chopped off.
00:42:59
He denies doing that. But he said about the stabbing of Hayes, I'm sorry about the death in this case.
00:43:05
I'll have to carry it on my conscience the rest of my life. The death. and the narcissistic move of
00:43:13
this is sad for me. The Diane Downs move. So just to wrap it, Mary Vincent did win a $2.56 million
00:43:22
civil judgment against Singleton, but she couldn't collect because he was unemployed in poor health
00:43:28
and only had $200 in savings. Of course not. So she did eventually get married. She moved to Orange County.
00:43:34
She has two sons and she started the Mary Vincent Foundation to help victims of traumatic crime.
00:43:41
Oh, sweetie. Yeah. Oh, that poor girl. Isn't it crazy that like she would have been better off
00:43:48
stealing a car and getting a misdemeanor than hitchhiking? You can't trust old men
00:43:59
that look like grandfathers. And here's another thing I was thinking about. When she had a bad feeling,
00:44:05
he stopped to pee and get out of the car. The thing about that is, is like, if you have a bad feeling, do what you need to do and apologize for it later.
00:44:15
Like steal the car and drive the fuck off. Apologize later if it turns out he wasn't going to kill you.
00:44:22
Right. Trust your gut. Yeah. If you have to blow some guy off at a bar because he's giving you the creeps, but you don't want to be rude, blow him off and apologize later if it turns out that he wasn't a creep.
00:44:31
Because if he's not a creep, it won't be a problem later. Yeah. Yeah. That's intense.
00:44:37
I know. It's crazy. And if you want to see it, you can watch on I Survived at Mary Vincent.
00:44:42
Tell that story yourself. I might have to start watching that. The thing is about True Crime Chips is that I really don't like reenactments.
00:44:49
There's no reenactments in this. Oh, okay. It's the people telling their story, and they start a segment with a picture of where it actually happened.
00:44:57
Yeah. And it's all straight-to-camera storytelling. Okay. It's pretty brilliantly produced.
00:45:03
That's why I like it. No, I did that. I can totally do that. Yeah. Whew. Yeah, I know.
00:45:07
That was a big one. Yeah. Let's all take a collective breath. Yeah. Anyone needs to use the bathroom, go use it now.
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So I was scrolling through the Wikipedia page of mysterious disappearances, as one does before bed.
00:47:47
Sure. When you have insomnia. And I came across a really interesting case I had never heard about.
00:47:53
and there's so many twists and turns and weirdness about this that I intrigued and really excited. So I'm going to tell this a little bit out of order. I'm going to leave
00:48:03
the exciting thing to the end. Because the whole thing is fucked up to begin with. So this is the
00:48:09
murder of Sharon Marshall by Franklin Delano Roosevelt Floyd, which is like, no wonder you're
00:48:20
a murderer. Parents so close. It's almost like making sure your kid's a narcissist by naming
00:48:25
him almost after a president. Yeah. All right. So in 1962, this guy, Franklin Delano Floyd was 19
00:48:33
years old. It's the worst name. It's the worst name. Let's just call him Floyd. Was convicted
00:48:37
of abducting and sexually molesting a four year old girl in Georgia. Yeah. Piece of shit.
00:48:43
Disgusting. He received a lengthy prison sentence. And within one year, he'd escaped the prison,
00:48:50
robbed a bank um it was arrested he served 10 years released on parole because apparently four
00:48:57
is not young enough to be a fucking in prison forever um in one month of freedom he was charged
00:49:05
with assaulting a woman and um he got away so in 1990 his wife sharon marshall was found dead in a
00:49:18
suspicious hit and run. All right. So this is where it starts. Okay. He had sent his wife, Sharon, on a late night shopping trip for baby items because they
00:49:28
had a child together. Oh, good. Have a child with a baby rapist. Right. I don't know if she knew that or not.
00:49:35
Okay. So she was murdered on her way back to the motel they were spending the night at.
00:49:39
She appeared to be hit by a car, yet there was a blunt force trauma to the back of her
00:49:43
head, enough to cause the death unrelated to the car accident. So after she dies, her child, Michael Hughes, which Floyd was a clear suspect in, kidnapped the kid.
00:50:01
He was the two year old son, Michael Hughes. I'm sorry, that's not true. He put their two year old son into foster care and fucking hightailed it out of there because he was a suspect.
00:50:10
The kid goes into foster care. The foster care parents love him and decide to start adoption proceedings for him.
00:50:18
He like thrived there where he got there. He was just like so developmentally delayed because this guy was a piece of shit.
00:50:27
And Floyd was arrested on a parole violation. And then as part of the adoption process, the kid had a DNA test and it was compared to Floyd's.
00:50:38
And it turns out that Floyd is not the real father to this little kid. Whoa. So when he's released from jail, he tries to regain custody and he can't because he's not the dad.
00:50:46
then on september 12th 1994 this fucking dude comes in to the elementary school where this kid
00:50:55
is staying holds has a gun takes the kid by force gets him the fuck out of there steals this kid
00:51:03
you should see this these photos of him he's such a creep not the kid fucking the dad yeah so two months later floyd is arrested in kentucky and the kid is not with him
00:51:14
hasn't been seen since. Floyd tells like differing stories, some that he had drowned the kid in the motel bathroom after the kidnapping.
00:51:24
Others say that he told them that he murdered the kid in the same manner. So he had admitted that to a couple people.
00:51:31
Another person claims he saw Floyd bury Michael's body in a cemetery, which is like, how do you witness that?
00:51:36
And then you don't tell anyone until the cops, I don't know. In his most recent contact with the FBI,
00:51:43
Floyd's admitted to killing Michael by shooting him twice in the back of the head.
00:51:48
He told him where to find Michael's remains, but it's been two decades since then and they
00:51:52
haven't found anything. So that's the story of Sharon, the mom, and Michael, the kid.
00:51:58
Okay. Super shitty all around. Yes. And so the third incident is the murder of, let's see, what's her first name?
00:52:09
Shit, I don't know her first name. Oh, Cheryl Ann Camessa. So at the time of her hit and run death, Sharon is a stripper.
00:52:21
But I mean, before I say that, I want to say that she went to college. She was going to be an engineer.
00:52:26
She's a very smart person. I think something happened with her crazy husband. She's making money stripping.
00:52:31
You know, it's not like nothing's wrong with fucking making money stripping. And that's her career.
00:52:36
But anyways, in 1989, one of Sharon's co-workers disappears. She's 18 years old, Cheryl Ann.
00:52:47
Someone had witnessed an angry confrontation with Floyd. And the co-worker? Yeah, Floyd and the co-worker commesso.
00:52:59
Cheryl, let's call her Cheryl. So Cheryl disappears in 1989. Floyd and Sharon get the fuck out of town.
00:53:08
It remains unsolved until her skeletal remains were found by a landscaper. in florida in 1995 and she was a citizen jane doe no one knew who she was when the remains were
00:53:20
identified and then in march a year the same year a mechanic in kansas finds a large envelope stuffed between the truck bed and the top of the gas tank of a truck he had recently purchased at auction Which is like here we go Gales go
00:53:35
He finds. I mean, just finding things stuffed in places. My dream. Yeah, for sure.
00:53:41
Like, you know, where I think you can find them is when you go into like a weird bathroom and there's the seat, the toilet seat holder.
00:53:49
Yeah. I think people shove drugs and money for drugs in those as like, I'm going to go in the bathroom and shove the drugs in there.
00:53:56
I'm going to come out and you're going to put the money in there. Am I making that up?
00:54:00
Because I've heard that before. You don't mean in the toilet tank where the water is.
00:54:03
No, that too. But where you pull the toilet seat cover off the wall. Yes, yes, yes.
00:54:11
You know what I'm saying? Yes, behind the paper covers. Exactly. I see. I thought you meant in a private bathroom.
00:54:16
No. I think you meant the pink furry cover that your grandma puts on that matches the bath mat.
00:54:23
You know when you go into a gas station and they have the pink furry cover? Or sometimes it's leopard print.
00:54:28
You know, those fun gas stations. Yeah, kicky. So the mechanic finds this fucking amazing find.
00:54:35
Inside he finds 97 photos in the envelope, including many photos of a woman who is bound and severely beaten.
00:54:42
Oh, no. The police traced the truck back to Floyd, of course, and the investigators compared the photos of the injured woman with Camesso, as well as evidence found with her remains.
00:54:53
And the clothing was similar to what she was wearing. There was also furniture and belongings in the photos that were identified as Floyd's.
00:55:02
And the medical examiner had compared injuries seen in the photograph to the cheekbone that they had found at this Jane Doe.
00:55:13
So they were consistent. She had died from a beating and two gunshots to the head.
00:55:20
Again, two gunshots. I'm looking at a pattern. A kill shot. That's the, was he in the army?
00:55:26
Oh, really? Uh-huh. Kill shot, huh? I didn't know about that. Uh-huh. Two shots?
00:55:31
Two to the back of the head. That's a thing? Yep. That's how you just take someone out.
00:55:35
Then you have to even look at them in the face. And well, and also just, that's for sure.
00:55:39
So it's one, there is a possibility someone could weirdly live. No. Two, no. Yeah.
00:55:46
Oh, right. Okay. So, Floyd is tried and convicted for this girl's murder, thank God, Camessa's murder, based on the photographic evidence found in the truck.
00:55:59
Other photos found in the truck, though, show sexual abuse of Marshall, who was his wife who died in the Hidden Run.
00:56:08
Right? I mean, yeah, this weird thing, his wife. But the pictures start, and this is where it goes, is the pictures of Marshall and being sexually abused start at a very early age when she's in her childhood.
00:56:22
What? Right. Okay. Sexually explicit poses of various ages, starting around four of his wife.
00:56:30
Age four. Yeah. Of his dead, now dead wife. What the fuck is going on? Uh-oh. Turns out Floyd met a divorced woman with three daughters and a son in 1974 when Sharon is like four.
00:56:46
In the late spring of 75, Sandy, the mom, is arrested in Dallas for writing a bad check for diapers.
00:56:54
And some people on the Internet, like, how did that happen? Did Floyd take out all the money from the account and send her on a shopping trip?
00:57:00
And the check, you know, like maybe that's even set up. when she's in prison or jail for 30 days.
00:57:07
While she's there, fucking Floyd disappears with all three sisters and the infant brother.
00:57:15
He had, Floyd had been left to care, which don't ever leave your children in the hands
00:57:19
of a boyfriend. I don't care how fucking cool you think he is. No, don't. Don't.
00:57:26
No one with the name Floyd. First, middle, or last. Nope. Please. No. When she's released,
00:57:32
she sees that's a fucking children are gone um he had put two of the daughters in foster care she finds them there
00:57:38
but the but but um suzanne i'm sorry but sharon and the little boy are gone and shoot she tries to
00:57:47
um file a kidnapping charge wait okay here's the most fucked up part of the whole fucking thing
00:57:52
the local authorities say that as the stepfather floyd had a right to take the children hi 1974
00:57:58
you fucking piece of shit. Okay. So Floyd raised Sharon as his daughter since early childhood.
00:58:11
And if you go online, you can find a photo, like a portrait of him with her as like a four-year-old
00:58:16
on his lap. DNA testing to determine her paternity after she died uncovered that she was not
00:58:23
his daughter. And he gave a number of inconsistent statements regarding how she came
00:58:28
into his custody. She, he told everyone that he had rescued her when she was abandoned
00:58:33
by her biological parents, which is probably what he told her as well. Right. The problem is
00:58:41
that the little boy was never, no one knows what happened to him. So, it's not likely
00:58:47
that he's doing well. So, the earliest known record of her after that of Sharon was when she was registered
00:58:55
in 1975 in an Oklahoma City high school If you look at her high school photo she clearly not high school age I think he was kind of trying to fudge some stuff Like she was too old She very young
00:59:07
She looks maybe. No too young. Yeah, she looks junior high-ish. So I think he was like trying to throw someone off or something like that.
00:59:13
Pro to establish her as being 18 as soon as possible. Right, and registering her under an alias.
00:59:19
They had a ton of aliases. Let's see. So they suspect that Marshall was born, that Sharon was born in the late 60s, kidnapped between 73 and 75.
00:59:30
Then they leave town again. She becomes his fucking wife. Then, I mean, it's not even like cool that she gets to like then figure out who she is.
00:59:40
He fucking hits and runs her and kills her with a car. And wait, sorry. Was that, did he do that because she, was there some overt reason?
00:59:50
We don't know. Maybe he found out that her son wasn't his because go back to the kid that was in foster care who he kidnapped.
00:59:59
Oh, right. Right, right, right. Turns out that the DNA testing proved that it wasn't even his kids.
01:00:04
So she might have been sleeping with someone else. She essentially cheated on this person that she didn't even want to be with in the first place.
01:00:10
And maybe he was even whoring her out, like, you know, making money. Like, so we don't know what happened, but that wasn't his kid.
01:00:16
That sounds like a pretty good motive to me. Fuck. Yeah. that's insane wait what happened to him okay so he's still alive no yeah he's the creepiest
01:00:29
motherfucker he's in jail though please he's on death row thank fucking god jesus christ i know
01:00:34
um he's on death row for the murder of um the um camesso oh yeah so oh because they found her
01:00:44
body in those pictures right so thank god like they weren't like well she was a stripper so he
01:00:48
only gets four years like she's he's on death row um he's still under investigation into the
01:00:54
kidnapping of uh her son and the mother sharon yeah and like after after sharon died they did
01:01:06
dna testing on her and found out that she was the missing child that this poor fucking woman who
01:01:12
dated a piece of shit. Oh my God. To help her raise four children that she was dealing with on her fucking own.
01:01:21
And then, oh my Lord. Yeah. I, what in the fuck? I have never heard of this before.
01:01:27
That's crazy. And he's still alive. Wait, when, so sorry. When's like, when did she get hit by a car?
01:01:35
She got hit by a car. When did he hit her with a car? Right. And a sledgehammer.
01:01:40
Exactly. It was a hit and run in April 1990. Oh, fuck. Yeah. So like Reese. I mean, I guess I was for some reason I was picturing that this was like the 50s.
01:01:51
Right. These would seem like the kind of time you could get away. That's insanity.
01:01:54
So in 1990s, hit and run. Took the kid by gunpoint. These poor, you know, this poor foster parents who were trying to adopt this poor kid who was thriving in their home.
01:02:07
they were fostering him and they wanted to adopt him because they cared about him so much and they
01:02:14
are stuck well and also this piece of shit takes him and then eventually kills him yeah like just
01:02:20
leave him with the foster parents but i mean that's like that that's the monstrosity of
01:02:24
whatever that guy is i mean narcissus but just like the like violent pedophile it's like the
01:02:31
the highest strata of in hell, basically. Yeah. A violent, insane pedophile. It's so crazy.
01:02:40
What? I mean, it's so hard to think of a brain and a thought process and a mind that deviates
01:02:46
that far from your own. Like, I can't even picture it. It makes you wonder. I mean, can they picture what being normal is like?
01:02:55
Are we normal? What is normal? Well, it's not that guy. No. I'll tell you that right now.
01:03:01
Yeah. That makes me want to start up a vigilante club called the new guardian angels.
01:03:08
No berets. That's not cool. Berets are stupid. You just, I don't know. What do we have?
01:03:13
We need a thing. That's so upsetting. It's actually funny because, so I'm listening to this book on tape, this audio book that I've been listening to forever called No Stone Unturned about Necro Search who uncovers clandestine graves.
01:03:29
It's this great book about these people who who find buried bodies. And like when I'm driving in the car because I get stressed out when I drive, I put that on or I put a murder podcast on.
01:03:41
And then when I forget my book or don't listen, don't have time to listen to a podcast, I put on like NPR and or the news.
01:03:48
And like immediately I'm like, I can't. This is so awful. I can't deal with it. Like I even fall asleep sometimes to that to like murder stuff.
01:03:55
And I think that's part of realizing why I love murder and these stories so much is that the real world and what's really happening and what I have absolutely no control over is so terrifying and there's no control.
01:04:13
But you can not walk alone at night. You can, you know, carry pepper spray with you.
01:04:18
You can make sure you keep your doors locked. My door is not locked right now. I just looked over.
01:04:23
Well but every it because every murder story that you read and all that information you gather informs you so that you know a little bit more next time Right But you can do anything like that China is being armed with nuclear weapons
01:04:38
You can't be like, well, next time I'm not going to hang out with China. Yeah. I think they've always had nuclear weapons.
01:04:45
Right. But like, what are you going to do about that? Right. Right. That's just posturing.
01:04:50
That's the thing is, what are you going to do about that? Nothing. No. And that's terrifying to me.
01:04:54
But in this, you can be like, if I ever get into a situation, you know, you you it's it's just being able to have your like your guard up better every single time.
01:05:03
Yeah. And if something does happen, you know. You you at least tried or had some control over it somehow.
01:05:12
Right. You're informed. Yeah. Oh, it's so crazy. Franklin Delano Floyd. Piece of shit.
01:05:20
Peace. this is the My Favorite Murder Piece of Shit series we didn't even mean to do a theme
01:05:26
Larry Singleton and Franklin Delano Floyd we didn't mean to do a theme top two yeah that's
01:05:30
that's a magical theme here we are what if we just start matching up on like like wavelengths
01:05:36
of pieces of shit well that was crazy yeah that was a wild ride oy um well anything
01:05:46
to wrap up with um I don't know go buy a t-shirt? Yeah, that'll make you feel better.
01:05:53
After that shit show. That should be better. Just plugged our t-shirts at the end of this like
01:05:58
awful thing. What choice do we have? I know. Oh, keep sending us your hometown murders
01:06:07
even though we haven't read them. The numbers game on that one is much more narrow
01:06:12
because, you know, we sometimes don't even read them. But we are starting to make minis.
01:06:18
and having fun with them there. So we will get to them. We're making many episodes of your hometown murders.
01:06:25
I have to say, in reading them, the ones that I do, when they have a really good subject line,
01:06:32
when it's not just hometown murder, it's like, motherfucker gets buried or like some funny thing.
01:06:38
I'm more likely to click on it. Also, when they're short and succinct, just get to the point.
01:06:44
That's key because, yeah. And it's like in any good story like that, just include the facts that matter.
01:06:51
You can still be quippy and funny and surprised and be yourself. But I would say if you're passing up the six paragraph mark, we're going to have a tough time with it.
01:07:05
Yeah, we can give people guidelines. Yeah. I like to call them guidelines. Gaglines.
01:07:10
Guidelines. Gaggling. Yeah. But we love them and we're going to make, I think we're going to try and do mini episodes each week.
01:07:18
You know what blows my mind is that there are just so many. And people are just so excited to tell them.
01:07:26
I know. Because no one's ever asked them that before. No one ever asked them before.
01:07:29
Yeah. Well, and also because you realize like you don't, I've asked friends and they're like, no, I don't.
01:07:37
Wait a second. And then they remember three. Yeah. Because yeah, it happens a lot.
01:07:41
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