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That's Georgia Hardstar. That's Karen Kilkareff. And here we all are together. That's right.
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In podcast form. In podcast land. podcast uh garyotype in the oh thank you you old-fashioned picture okay
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were you just saying words no i thought that was what that was well yes i mean that's my life you mean yes yes just saying words yes for sure
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helping that right yeah welcome you know it's like yeah it's our podcast where every week we
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talk about true crime and the surrounding tales that's right and you know we're funny
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Oh, did you see the That reminds me Did you see the new animated Fucking music video
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Of the song Oh my god Let's play it at the end of this show Cool And then get sued
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That'd be amazing Then go to MFM Animated Is that right, Stephen? On Instagram And there'll be a link to watch the whole video
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These talented fucking people wrote a Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered song. I think Nick Terry was the one that got it all together.
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Nick Terry animated it in his incredible, hilarious way. We are so, it's so charming.
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It's hilarious. There's so much more running than I've ever done in my real life.
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That's right. I actually was looking at that going, I couldn't run that much. No.
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I have to do something about that. No. They got my constant smiling right, though.
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That was fun. I love it. I love it. We're going to play the song at the end of the show, and then you should go watch it on,
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I think YouTube? Yeah, on YouTube. Okay. Yeah. Thank you so much to Pacifico Romeo for writing this incredible song.
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So impressive. And then Nick Terry for animating it. What a cool project. Thank you.
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We like being the subject of things. We too, because we're funny, as I was saying.
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Oh, the hook around? No, but let's go with it. Come on back around. Yeah, that was very fun and exciting.
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And I guess along those lines, we talk about information, things people have reached out
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and told us about. Let's dip back into the Dairy London Dairy issue. Oh, we're back here again?
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Just for a reminder. This is from Megan McCallum. She says, Hi, all. I think I've wrote this to you before, but it makes me laugh every time you mention it.
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Mention is a generous way to describe it. So, Dairy slash Londonderry is literally referred to in the news as Dairy London Dairy, so as not to annoy anyone.
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Oh, my God. Because it is a constant debate slash joke amongst the people of Northern Ireland.
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Okay. My partner is Catholic, and I am Protestant. He says dairy and I shout back Londonderry.
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Oh, I love it. So by saying Londonderry or dairy, you're not wrong. But half the country will correct you and half the country will agree with you.
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Okay, bye, Megan. So you can never get it right. Or you could flip it and say you could never get it wrong.
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Oh. Because some people will agree with you. That's positive. I mean, if you want to be positive.
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Here's more interesting info. And this is about the pronunciations. when I kept talking about Gallopolis.
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Or no, Gallopolis. Gallopolis, right. This is from LM Harder, and I loved this information.
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They said, So funny thing about insular communities like Appalachia sometimes folks purposely change pronunciation to easily recognize outsiders For example Gallopolis or and then that says it looks like Chauncey but there no way it Chauncey because that the trick
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Right. So which I love that concept. Yeah, it's so interesting because like that makes sense.
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We've we've come across it so many times of a thing where it's like this word already exists.
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Yeah. Carthage wherever. But it's like Cartha Aji. Or it's like people who say San Fran, like they're not from San Francisco.
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Yes. And if you say Frisco, my dad will try to hit you in the face. And he's right.
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It's so funny. Jim, you're not wrong. Oh, and then Ruby wrote in. It just says Ruby with flowers around it.
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But then there's more. Everybody on Twitter now. Can you have emojis in your name?
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You can have emojis. You can turn it into anything you want. Like you can do what you want on Twitter.
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Young people. It's a free for all. But Ruby says, hearing Karen Kugarev talk about my hometown of Gallopolis.
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Shit, now I can't remember at all how it's pronounced. I think that's right. I remember it.
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No Gallopolis. Gallopolis. That's right. Hometown of Gallopolis, Ohio on My Favorite Murder was incredible.
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Also, don't feel bad about how you pronounce it. Locals just call it Gallopolis.
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So I've also heard Gallopolis from non-locals. Oh, I like that one. Which is very funny.
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And then the last and interesting piece of information is from Allison and her is Allie Ray.
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And she tells us this was about when we were talking about the doodler and their psychiatrist who couldn't wouldn't be allowed to release the information if they had the doodler admitted he was the serial killer.
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Right. She wrote in and said, info on the duty to warn slash confidentiality on today's My Favorite Murder episode.
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The legal case, Tarasoff, that led to these laws of breaking confidentiality was ruled in 1976, which I think is after the doodler's activity.
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So it wouldn't have applied. I'm just writing that down for future. How does that?
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How's that spelled? T-A-R-A-S-O-F-F is the legal case. And it happened in 1976. Just writing that down for future ideas.
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I mean, this is the kind of stuff and it's like, this is why we should start doing special episodes where we have experts come on and talk about these kinds of fascinating things.
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I love it. Etymology, which is either about origin of words or bugs. We like both.
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Whatever it takes. Every week you have a couple of corrections corners and I have none, which makes me think that I just don't pay attention to shit I do wrong.
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It doesn't make me think I'm not wrong. You know what I think it is? I rarely express doubt when I like I was raised or like I might be the comedy.
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I mean, comedian, the comedy person in me. Correction. You have to. Here it is. Dear Karen, you're actually a comedian.
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E-N-N-E that you have to you speak with with conviction. So if you go, I think it's this, then that's somehow in my mind bad.
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When it's the literal truth is, I think or I'm guessing is what I should be saying probably 40% of the time.
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Yeah. So it's that. That sucks, though. It's not a fun place to live. I actually, I don't mind being corrected because oftentimes you learn stuff.
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Oh, my God. Can you imagine? Speaking of learning stuff, the fan cult merch, there's a, okay.
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Let me tell you about this. The smoothest of transition. Thank you. And I'm not correcting it.
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So we have a fan cult that's like our fan club. Obviously, there's forums. Karen and I have started putting makeup on and making fucking videos and shit, if you can believe it.
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Not in the videos. We have makeup on already in the videos. Thank you. But we've been talking about makeup lately.
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Let's do it. Recommendation. I'll put fake eyelashes on you. Fun stuff. That'd be kind of fun.
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Yeah. Fun and dangerous. The next video, I'm wearing an eye patch. The next video after that, I'm wearing two eye patches.
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But there's still fake lashes on them and it looks great. So now the Fan Cult has its own merch store with exclusive merch.
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These designs are fucking badass and awesome. They're really good. You can see them at MyFavoriteMurder.com.
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And if you join the Fan Cult, your first purchase of any kind of merch is 20% off.
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So if that's something you're interested in, good luck. In either store. Yeah. Fan Cult specific store or just our regular store.
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Either. Yeah. And then Santa Barbara Weekend. Go to MyFavoriteWeekend.com to find out about how you can come hang out with us.
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For two, it's two days? Yeah. And we'll tell you where the weed store is. Everyone from Kansas City will, it's worth it just for that alone.
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We'll point you toward the ocean. Yeah, ocean. Weed store, the best crab legs you can get right over there.
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Here's a great sales point. At this fan weekend, if you want to come and hang out with us for the weekend, there's going to be all kinds of shows from the Exactly Right Network, which we're very excited about.
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It's like a hang. we're doing a show at least one we're doing two we're doing two shows
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but then there's going to be also other activities lately I've been crying so much
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everybody understands it's a thing I like oh I love it I fucking can't stop crying
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cry I went to therapy today you know when you leave therapy it feels like the time between this
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and my next therapy appointment is just I'm waiting to cry this isn't your jam I don't cry a lot.
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When I'm in therapy, sometimes I'll stop and think, I can't wait to get home and cry.
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I can't wait to get home, go sit in my closet, be alone. And I'm always like, I'm really going to do it this time.
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I have a good cry. And then by the time I leave, I'm not into it. The mood passes.
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Yeah. Hmm. What did that say about me that I want to shut myself into a dark closet because the only way I can cry is.
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Yeah, but I mean, that's just that's like your jam. And that's your specific quilt setup.
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You know what I mean? Update. My mom and I are lightly talking again. Speaking of.
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Just quick texts an emoji here and there We decided to put everything behind us Good Yeah for now She starting a tell it how it is memoir The truth tapes Yes
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Janet's side would actually be an amazing book for her. She's pretty pissed at me about the book.
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Oh. Yeah. Well. Well, she's not wrong. I mean, but it's you get to tell your own story.
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I know. And I don't have to front her story. You tell your story. That's right. Yeah.
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And that's the thing is the whole point is that I think most of life is about learning about the impact and effect that you have on people and trying to adjust it.
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So you can fight all you want about I didn't do that and I'm not like that and I blah, blah, blah.
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But the better thing is to go, what if what if that's even partly true? Sure. I know that person's super crazy.
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But also, what if there's a three percent chance there's a truth in that? It feels so bad.
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It feels terrible. It feels so bad to be like, oh, am I the asshole? Yeah. We all have to admit we're the asshole.
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I know. We're all the asshole. We're all the asshole. Yeah. That's the mystery. That's the secret.
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They don't write it in the book, but that actually is the secret to life. That's your new book called You're the Asshole.
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You're the Asshole. If you accept it now and work from there, your life will get so much better.
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Be humbled. Be the asshole. Accept the responsibility. Move forward. Move forward in the world as if you're the asshole.
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Yeah. It's frightening because also sometimes I've believed in this life. The only thing that was getting me through was the hubris and bravado that I had to quickly assemble while I was being damaged in high school.
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Shields and the suit of armor. It's like basically if the advice is take off the suit of armor, it's like, oh, so you want me to be killed.
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Great. Thanks so much. It's life or death kind of. Yes, it is. It feels like it.
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Because most of us are very traumatized. Yeah. I can't. My therapist tells me about different ways I've been traumatized so much.
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I'm like, Jesus Christ. Is it satisfying sometimes? Because a lot of times I'm like apologizing for myself in therapy, being like, I know
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I have it great. I know I'm so lucky. And it's not worse than other. You know what I mean?
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Like, it feels bad to be like, oh, I'm. Wait, so you don't have a therapist that goes shut up and tell me the thing.
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No, not yet. They're not allowed. We're new. We're new. That's why I'm not. that's why i'll never be a therapist that's why your book you're the asshole
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it's gonna be a bestseller that's right i think therapists are afraid to say to you that's right
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yeah and you can say it what were we talking about but i mean this is a true crime comedy
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let's start from the beginning um well did you have more oh yeah so we're going to the uk at the
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end of november listen we're gonna be there for our for america's thanksgiving yeah you know how
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great the food is at Thanksgiving. And what do you have to give us to substitute? Give me a meat pie
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and I'm happy. But it has to be shaped like a turkey, even if it's filled with gizzards.
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Ew. So there's two shows that aren't sold out, Dublin on the 25th of November and London on the
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28th of November. So go to myfavoritemurder.com to buy those tickets and come see us. We're really,
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really excited. I'm really excited for this trip. I'm so excited. We're going mudlarking. Do you
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know that what's that mud larking so you know like uh to to lark is to play about and stuff okay
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british so mud larking is when you get into fucking into the river and the and the mud and
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grit yeah and you go digging for like treasures from what your do i get to go yeah i'm getting
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this all i'm getting this all passes you have to get thames thames the term thames you have to get
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river you have to get passes to go into the thames to dig and people and i like follow that
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Look at the hashtag on Instagram, mudlarking. You find coins. I know. You find coins.
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You find pipes. You find this and that. It's the fucking coolest thing. Okay. You mean those pipes where they used to just use them in Victorian age and throw them away?
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Yeah. They were like those little pipes that were like basically cigarettes? Yes.
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And the Thames used to be, it was like a garbage dump way back when. And then also when it was bombed out during the fucking blitz and shit, all the like pottery
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from the houses and all the tiles and shit blew out into the fucking Thames. I have a necklace that's a little piece of a shard of pottery.
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From mudlarking? From mudlarking in the town. Okay, this is fucking major. Dude, right?
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This is the best gift you've ever haven't given me yet, but are about to. The other thing, though, is we might have to go to a football match.
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That's great. Soccer. I am a hooligan at heart. I will punch anyone in the face for any team at any time.
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You are the person I want to be with at a fucking football match in England. You know what?
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That'll be the day I start drinking again. Just kidding. I won't do it, but God damn it.
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Sorry. I'm built for it. So that's what's happening. So come see us in London. Now I'm excited for this tour.
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I was moderately excited before. Now I'm like. Oh, this is going to be tits. Also, well, you know what we also should do?
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What? Figure out a way, and this is going to be my obnoxious, like, fishing for invitation.
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We should be taken on. No. A Jack the Ripper tour. by someone who knows. I thought you were going to say invited to the palace.
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I was like, there's no way. Well, also my grandmother would come up out of her grave and slap me across the face.
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A Jack the Ripper tour is a great idea. A Jack the Ripper tour with a ripperologist who's really good at what they do,
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and we don't have to be with 50 other people. If you're a ripperologist that gives tours and cares about us as people and want to do that,
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let us know. Or a mudlarker who gives people tours. Because I think sometimes they'll like take you down and show you the good spots and shit.
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Yes. So we're doing that. Mudlarking. So mudlarking isn't like an official sign up on this website?
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No, but you have to get a pass to go down to the river. Oh, okay. So, but you can do it and it doesn't have to be there.
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You can do that. Like, you know, people do it on beaches. People do it on. I feel like my cheeks are getting hot.
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I know. How excited I am about this Hashtag mudlarking on Instagram Fucking mudlarking What else were we talking about Well I was telling you earlier that I really enjoyed up top last episode
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We just started talking about all the podcasts and stuff we've been listening to and stuff
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we've been watching. Yeah. Which I just thought was kind of fun. We never do that in an official way.
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It's kind of random. And I saw you writing this down on your paper and we both started cracking up.
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It's from my comedy background where I don't do my homework in time and then I have to
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pitch at like at the last minute how about we do and so i i started writing down the title of this
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segment we're gonna call it the rec room where it's our recommendation but it's like a rec room
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but does anyone is anyone from the 70s here and know what a record yeah that's true yeah the
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converted basement when your dad won he had a bar down there a little bar set up yes the game was on
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it let's it was okay we hate man caves but it was like that and then the kids went down there
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played too yeah it wasn't a man cave because it was more of like a family it was an extra family
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room where more bullshit and roughhousing could happen right like shag carpeting and the big
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couches and shit big couches uh hopefully a budweiser tiffany lamp either a pool table a
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ping pong table if you're rich yeah air hockey if you were richie rich amazing usually just a tv
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though yeah and a good shag carpet here we are in the rec room okay um go do you want me to oh yeah
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Well, I just started watching. I found this TV show last night. Everyone else was watching the VMAs.
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And I knew I couldn't do it because I would only know two people on that show. I'm not interested.
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And I will bring that up later because I was wrong. Okay. But that being said, I went on and basically just started doing very random searches on iTunes or Apple TV or whatever to try to find a series that I wanted to watch.
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And this series came up called Fortitude. And I thought I'd seen it before. I thought it was a movie, whatever, but I looked into it and it takes place in the very
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snowy place. So it could be like way fucking northern Canada, but I think it was supposed to be the Arctic
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Circle. Someone will tell me how I'm wrong about this. Anyway, a snowbound place.
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Wait, is this northern exposure? And there's a moose walks down the street. Hold on.
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There's a radio station. No, this is, there's the people that live in this town.
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Basically, there's a murder that takes place. And then here comes Stanley Tucci.
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No. He is the investigator sent in from London to investigate separate from the cops in this tiny town.
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Stanley. And it's so good. I watched the entire thing last night. Is it dramatic?
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It's drama. And it's almost soap opera-y. Because I was like, oh, this is straight up procedural.
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But it wasn't. It was a very... It had like tinges of Broadchurch in the way where like...
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It's a procedural that gets real into family stuff and personal stuff. Yeah, I love that shit.
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And I loved it. Fortitude. Season one, because there's other seasons, and I think it goes in other places.
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I love that. I'm only speaking for season one right now. So in a fight, would Stanley Tucci or Paul Giamatti win?
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Because they're pretty, like, worthy adversaries. They are absolutely worthy adversaries.
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They also bring very different things to the table, but Giamatti's all the way. Because although Stanley Tucci is obviously massively talented,
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he does that thing where you know actors that when they're really good at the piano they
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the like directors rush to feature that somehow where it's like okay well you're waiting in this
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waiting room but luckily there's a there's a piano yeah or you're like joking with your wife or
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whatever and then he's like let me do this thing but let me do it and it's showing my face and
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hands so you know i'm really doing it yeah so he's got it but but like paul giamatti has done
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things like he's painted himself entirely blue for the enjoyment of children he he gives his all
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plus 25 national treasure i mean just right him right in right in my heart face on the president's
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rock yes please president's rock is what we refer to that's the name of this episode
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but we call it president's rock um i'm not listening i'm just listening to a stephen king
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book right now so i can't and i haven't finished it so i don't know if it's good or not yet that i
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want to recommend it okay i'm keeping my lips shut but killer across the table i am reading uh
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the john douglas mark oil shaker book that's like the mind hunter dudes this is their new book
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it's fucking gory it's good it's interesting yeah i dig it i love it because they do such a good job
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at writing and blending all those stories together so it's just they are you just keep getting another
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case and another case yeah like they're telling a couple chapters of this one story and in it
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There's like, and it reminded me of this story. It reminded me of that story. It's really fascinating.
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It's very good. Oh, and also I have one more. Okay. Yeah. Well, just because I've been doing a bunch of stuff around the house lately, trying to
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get things done. So I just throw in a podcast. God, it makes it go so much faster as everyone listening already knows.
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Look down. You've peeled all those potatoes. What are you doing with so many peeled potatoes?
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Where do you work that you had to peel 400 potatoes? Anyway, you're welcome. They're done.
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So in that, I started listening to How Did This Get Made? Oh, yeah. Which is June Diane Raphael, Paul Scheer, and Jason Manzoukas.
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And it's their terrible movie podcast. It's their podcast about terrible movies.
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It's not their terrible podcast about movies. I put movie after terrible to make sure.
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But what I realized is so brilliant. You're just talking shit on them. I know. This is the basement of the rec room
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called the shit storm. No, no, no. What I realized about what's so great about that
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is that it's this interactive thing where if you choose to... So I was trying to get something done.
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I'm like, okay, I've seen Jaws 3, I think it was, in 3D. So I hit that one because I would know what they were talking about.
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But what you can do if you want to is look through their whole library, watch the movies,
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watch their movies with friends. Watch a dumb movie that's going to... be hilariously dumb, and then listen to them be funny about it.
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I love it. So you can have your own insights and your own ideas, and then you can go back and listen to three truly hilarious
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and very intelligent people talk about it. I just love it. That's great. I love that.
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And recently I tried to put, Vince and I got home one day, we were like, let's throw something dumb on that we can make fun of.
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So we put on Austin Powers and then ended up laughing our asses up for the whole fucking thing.
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It's so dated and it's supposed to be sexist, but it's double time sexist. like these days and this age and everything.
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Yeah. But it's, it was like fucking entertaining. I was shocked. I was ready to be like,
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I hate that guy. Where's his headshot? You know, like now I know it's, and they were clearly very high budget.
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Yes. Because they do so much stuff. There's so many good character actors and like cameos in it.
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And I feel like Mike Myers had that thing that a lot of people don't have these.
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Oh, maybe some people do, but he has that thing where he's looking right at you when he's like, yeah, baby, the energy coming out of his face, you know, he
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loves what he's doing in that moment. Or he's on tons of cocaine. Either way, the effect is the same.
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That's right. We're all on cocaine. So exciting. Let me watch it. Yeah. Let's all do cocaine and watch things.
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When we go to England, we can have, or London, we can have a tour. of the BBC. Sure. Let's do it. Anyone at the BBC want to give us a tour?
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Code FLOW15. All right. Should we do this? Yeah, I think I think have we fucking prattled on long enough.
00:28:47
We have to go up the basement stairs out of the rec room and into the formal living room.
00:28:52
Yeah, that is my favorite murder. My favorite murder. I think I'm first, right? Yeah.
00:28:57
So put that shit down. I did. I did. I'm going to hold it like a news reporter as you do your story.
00:29:03
Karen, I'm so anal retentive about us not finding out what the other person is doing.
00:29:07
So I'm really careful. Okay, just before when you were talking to Jay in the other room about like your story and some research, I plugged my ears because I didn't want to hear it.
00:29:15
Like, I'm really fucking, I don't know why I'm like this. Did you hear that halfway through that conversation, we were talking full voice in a very echoey kitchen.
00:29:22
Then I went, oh, lower your voice. You can hear it. No, I had my ears plugged. Literally, I was a child with my fucking fingers in my ear because I just love the surprise.
00:29:31
And then you just held up your paper and it had the photo of the murder you're doing on the back of it.
00:29:36
Yeah, that's right. but it's meaningless it's okay it's meaningless to this point
00:29:41
all right what if I really did that all right one and two I'm doing the murder of Angie
00:29:53
Dodge aka the nation first exoneration to rely on genealogical DNA testing whoa are you ready for this Here we go All together now I got a shit ton of information from Washington Post article by Kyle Swenson a show called
00:30:09
Keith Morrison Investigates, 48 Hours, TheInnocenceProject.org, and a podcast called Double Loop.
00:30:16
Okay. So, here we go. Summer of 1996 in Idaho Falls, Idaho, 18-year-old Angie Dodge had just graduated from high school
00:30:23
with honors. she was born in 1977 she's the youngest of four kids and all her older siblings were boys so she
00:30:30
was like the fucking princess yeah you know how that goes um she's described as driven and talented
00:30:36
and bubbly and like of course she's just this lovely bright smile beautiful sweet girl um it
00:30:42
she looks so it's 96 she looks like you in her teens really has a button nose she has a bob like
00:30:49
a like a short short bob bleach blonde bob that like it's so 90s thin eyebrows like she's
00:30:56
quintessential 96 and i think i was 16 at the time and had the same fucking look yeah and she
00:31:01
just yeah she's totally normal but after graduation um she's at 18 she's like i'm fucking ready to
00:31:08
live on my own it's not like she had a bad relationship with her parents she was just like
00:31:11
wanting to be independent so she gets her own apartment which at 18 is like if you're not going
00:31:16
to college or just moving into your own apartment, that's a big fucking step. That makes me think she, so you're saying there wasn't, there was not a problem in the
00:31:24
family? Well, I don't know. Maybe there was, but her mom is a lovely person. Yeah, yeah.
00:31:27
Yeah. But maybe she just had that thing of like, I need to be out of my own. I'm not going to wait until I qualify for college or do a bunch of stuff.
00:31:34
I did that and lived in a $375 room in an apartment that was a converted office building
00:31:42
that had no closets and what's the lighting called? That's terrible. Fluorescent.
00:31:46
fluorescent lighting with a bunch of girls it was terrible and were there desks and dividers
00:31:52
no those got cleared out so she wants to be on her own she wants to be independent bunk beds
00:31:58
what no just one big there was offices like there were single offices do you shut the shades if you
00:32:05
wanted to go to bed no they were like each one had an office we all had an office basically oh
00:32:11
got it in the building yeah and now i understand how office buildings work so sorry oh 375 a month
00:32:21
uh so she moves in on her own she's like i'm gonna be independent um she tells her mother carol that
00:32:28
she needs to grow up and make her own mistakes but they are close and she moves into her same town
00:32:33
it's not like she moves far away yeah yeah she just wants to be on her own yeah idaho falls is
00:32:38
fucking gorgeous. There's falls. Can you believe it? It's in the southeastern corner of Idaho,
00:32:44
next to Wyoming, about 150 miles to Yellowstone. So it's beautiful. More than half of the residents
00:32:51
are Mormon. And because of this, it's kind of known as a safe town. Everyone knows everyone.
00:32:56
No one locks their doors. The story we've heard a million times. It's like country living. That's how I grew up too. When you're out far enough or like...
00:33:04
It's a town. Oh, she's in town? It's a town town, but it's so safe because everyone knows each other.
00:33:10
Yeah. But on June 13th, 1996, when the very reliable Angie doesn't show up for her shift at a beauty
00:33:16
supply store, which, yes, I looked up. It was called Beauty for All Seasons. Nice.
00:33:20
Two co-workers go by Angie's apartment to check on her because they're like, this is
00:33:23
so not like her. Like, they asked the boss if they could leave and go check on her.
00:33:27
That's how rare it was. Yeah. And they find the front door slightly ajar. She lives on the second floor.
00:33:32
They go upstairs and go into the bedroom and they find a bloody scene with Angie Dodge lying half naked on the bedroom floor.
00:33:40
Her throat had been cut and she had been stabbed 14 times. Oh, my God. I know. She's sexually assaulted.
00:33:46
It's possible she wasn't raped. It's kind of unclear. But what investigators do find is the perfect semen sample taken atop of Angie's body.
00:33:55
So they have DNA. Great. The neighborhood's canvassed and her friends and family are questioned.
00:34:00
They're eliminated as suspects. And the first six months of the investigation are spent on tips that go nowhere and testing of DNA of local men.
00:34:08
And it goes nowhere. And fortunately, in this town, the average homicide rate is zero to one per year.
00:34:15
Wow. But because of that, the homicide investigators don't have a ton of experience, you know, investigating these kinds of crimes.
00:34:22
So they're not prepared. They're not experienced. one of the two lead detectives put on the case jared firman who gets like fucking decimated for
00:34:30
the story in so many of the articles he had been a high school parole officer but not you know like
00:34:36
he had uh a truancy officer no like a security officer walking around oh which is like a fucking
00:34:42
noble job and nothing wrong with it but then to then go to homicide detective is hard right to
00:34:47
understand. Okay. So he had almost no investigative experience at all. Meanwhile, Angie's mom,
00:34:54
Carol is like, determined. It's cold. It's months and months. She's like, I'm going to find leads
00:35:00
on my own. And she starts to question Angie's circle of friends and go to the places they all
00:35:05
hung out. And in January of 1997, one of those friends, a guy named Ben Hobbs, who was possibly
00:35:13
one of the things that he was the last one of the last people to see Angie alive.
00:35:18
And there's a video of him carrying flowers at her funeral. So he's like close to her.
00:35:23
He gets arrested in Nevada on suspicion of brutally raping a woman at knife point.
00:35:27
Oh, no. So they're like connection. Yes. Right. Obviously. So Hobbs denies being involved at all.
00:35:34
But when police start interviewing Hobbs's friends, they're led to a 20 year old high school dropout named Christopher Tapp.
00:35:41
He had kind of been a juvenile delinquent in the past. Seems like he was on the straight and narrow, maybe just a hangout guy.
00:35:47
But none of TAP's DNA matches with the samples taken from the scene or the semen found on Angie.
00:35:52
Police ignore this evidence and assume he involved somehow So over three and a half weeks TAP is interrogated nine different days for over 30 hours total He given six polygraphs and questioned for more than 40 hours Wow Yeah
00:36:08
He's just a skinny 20 year old kid. He doesn't have a high school education. He's not ready to
00:36:13
like fucking spar, but he like cooperates because he knows he didn't do it. Yeah. So he's cooperating
00:36:18
and coming in every time they call him in. So they start to lie to Chris Tap to get him to confess.
00:36:25
They tell him that his friend confessed to the crime. He said that Hobbs had not only confessed to killing Angie, but that he had also implicated Tapp in the murder.
00:36:36
So they're lying to him. And, you know, and it's all videotaped. They're like, which I guess you can do.
00:36:41
Yeah. Which is so, like, crazy. Yeah. They tell him that he had likely suppressed his memory of the incident.
00:36:48
And he should trust them because they would be able to prove he was there anyways.
00:36:51
And he'd get the death penalty. So if he doesn't confess and they and they still take him to trial and find him guilty, which they said they could totally do, then he's getting the death penalty.
00:37:01
So he might as well start talking and they can offer him immunity. That's what they tell him, which they can't do.
00:37:05
Yeah. And they can help him and he'll just go home. It's the fucking classic story.
00:37:10
Yeah. That sounds like Brendan Dassey. Yeah. There's a show called The Confession Tapes on Netflix.
00:37:17
It's just hard to watch because it's these cases over and over again. It seems like using subterfuge to get a suspect to admit something seems like a good idea, but there should be limits.
00:37:29
Yes. The idea that you could suggest that someone is repressing a memory. Yeah. And basically fuck with their own, like the way their mind works.
00:37:38
Yeah. And be like, and we have the proof that you're repressing your memory. How do you not go?
00:37:42
What if I'm repressing my memory? He says exactly that. Like he's hooked up to the polygraph machines and he's like, I wouldn't know if I did it.
00:37:49
Right. I wouldn't remember. Right. Like he's he is he clearly trusts. Here's the thing.
00:37:54
He went to the same school where the investigator was the cop at the school. So he trusted this guy, too.
00:38:04
And he's like, why would they want to frame me? I'm going to work with them. Maybe like, why would they lie?
00:38:08
They're right. He trusts them. Yes. You know, so. Well, and also when you're sorry, but when you're in that situation, you can't do anything else but tell the truth.
00:38:18
Because if you didn't do anything, all you can do is keep on repeating exactly what you know about what you did.
00:38:23
Right. Introducing the idea that you don't know what you did is really fucked up.
00:38:28
Exactly. And so Tap trusts Furman because he knew him from high school. And police interrogators threaten Tap with the gas chamber, like, quote, the gas chamber.
00:38:38
Wow. Or life in prison. They attack his memory. They feed him information, which when you watch the video of it, it's ridiculous.
00:38:44
this like they're even like and that's when you cut her and then he goes and that's when you and
00:38:50
like let him finish cut like it's so fake yeah so they promise immunity and threaten to take it away
00:38:57
they push aside taps claims of innocence and they offer leniency in exchange for a confession
00:39:02
at first chris tap denies any involvement but over time he's coerced into telling six different
00:39:08
stories which is a red flag in itself i would think like there should be one story eventually
00:39:12
investigators assured him that if he cooperates and admits he was there, he can go free. They like
00:39:16
lie and tell him that. So he agrees to cooperate whatever version of events police think happen.
00:39:22
They feed him the story. And he confesses to detectives that he and two friends,
00:39:28
including that dude Hobbs, who had been brought in with him, had gone to Dodge's apartment on the
00:39:31
night of her death. And that after fighting with her, Chris Tapp says he held her down while his
00:39:38
friend killed and raped her so he just like puts himself there uh but neither Hobbs nor Chris Tapp
00:39:45
match the DNA at the crime scene they it doesn't match them oh yeah so Chris Tapp then tells a third
00:39:52
tells them of a third friend who was there he says he could only remember the name Mike like he
00:39:57
invents a fucking person yeah it's beyond red flag yeah and we're into this is like a mountainside
00:40:03
in Tibet, where it's just red material flapping in the wind everywhere the eye can see.
00:40:10
That's right. Horrifying. So this guy Hobbs maintains his innocence. He is convicted of this case in Nevada, rape at night point.
00:40:19
So that's fucking crazy. But he's let go by the Idaho Falls investigators. But even though his DNA isn't at the crime scene and there isn't any other evidence pointing
00:40:28
to him, police arrest Chris Tapp on his confession and charge him with murder. His case goes to trial in 1998, where he recants his confession.
00:40:37
He pleads not guilty, which upsets Carol Dodge, of course. She's like just distraught.
00:40:44
And it sounds like they coerced someone else to a young woman. Police had manipulated her into a false testimony, claiming she had heard Chris Tapp mention his involvement in the murder at a party.
00:40:56
Now we're into the West Memphis Three shit. That's right. Oh, God. Somehow they got her.
00:41:01
Maybe they were like had gotten her on some evidence and this is how she got out of it.
00:41:05
Yeah, maybe. At the trial, he testifies that the admission had been coerced and that the DNA clearly shows that he's not the killer.
00:41:12
But prosecutors withhold the videotapes of his confession. They only show little bits and pieces of it that, you know, corroborate their story.
00:41:20
Right. On May 28th, 1998, the jury convicts Christopher Tapp of aiding and abetting rape and murder.
00:41:26
And he's sentenced to life in prison with a maximum of 30 years. And, you know, at the time Idaho Falls, this doesn't happen.
00:41:34
They are freaking out. And it took like a couple of months for them to finally get someone who is, like they said, responsible.
00:41:40
They needed to close this case. Yes. It's the pressure. I mean, it's the story every time.
00:41:45
Yeah. Is they're always working under massive pressure. Yeah. And fear, this fear that the community has.
00:41:52
Especially when it a small community and people know who the victim is Yeah Yeah That creates that pressure cooker but still it just like as the people in that position
00:42:05
as the authorities along those lines, knowing full well you are putting a young man in jail
00:42:10
or person in jail that is going to be there for the rest of their life. They believe it, though.
00:42:14
In this Keith Morrison Investigates show, when he interviewed them in 2012, they won't go on camera anymore
00:42:22
or be interviewed. they're like they just keep saying look at the tapes look at the tapes where it's like yeah we
00:42:28
looked at them and look they they believe it still oh because they don't realize they were coercing
00:42:32
him they don't realize they were feeding him the story they didn't understand so they didn't know
00:42:36
the procedure they knew that they in their minds knew that he had done this thing and they were
00:42:40
helping him to get it off his chest yeah which is oh yeah you know what i mean yeah that makes sense
00:42:44
um and it needs to be like they need him to be meanwhile carol dodge the mom who's like the
00:42:51
sweetest woman ever, is determined to find out who this fucking Mike person is, because
00:42:55
he's the killer. And she's like stoked that Christopher Tapp had gone to prison.
00:43:00
But she's like, there's still murderers out there. I need to find these people. I'm not settled.
00:43:05
So by 2009, the DNA profile of the killer, the actual killer, had been put in the national
00:43:11
database CODIS, no match. Then she read an article in the paper about an internationally known DNA expert named Dr.
00:43:20
Greg Hampakian. He's the executive director of the Idaho Innocence Project. She just fucking
00:43:25
read about him. Thank God. And she was just like, I need help. And just like, fucking calls him up.
00:43:32
That's interesting, though, because she's calling the Innocence Project to talk about
00:43:36
a killer, not getting somebody that she loves off. Or what usually what people go to the
00:43:43
Innocence Project for is going saying, well, he said this is the first time a victim's family
00:43:48
member had contacted him. Yeah. But he you know, he was in a well known DNA expert. So she just
00:43:54
and she read an article. And you know how moms cut articles out? Like, maybe this guy can help us.
00:44:00
What else is she gonna do? You can't look it up in the phone book. Yeah. I mean, there's Yeah,
00:44:04
no. And it turns out that Dr. Greg Hampikian is like, yo, I can totally help you. But full
00:44:11
disclosure, I just started working on Chris Tapp's conviction overturn. Like I just,
00:44:16
I just started working on Christopher Tapp's case. Yeah. Trying to see if it was a false confession.
00:44:21
Because Christopher Tapp probably has a family that's like, there's no way it was him.
00:44:25
Well, yeah, they keep trying to overturn the conviction. Yeah. So she's like, I don't care.
00:44:29
I just want to know what happened, no matter what the outcome is. So let's work together.
00:44:33
That's real mom energy. I know. Like, I just want, I want the truth to come out.
00:44:38
Yeah. Yeah. So she's like, just, yeah, like, let's see what the truth, like, let's see where the DNA leads us, what the truth is.
00:44:44
Yeah. So together, they persuade investigators to use familial DNA, a fucking brand new thing, to try to find Angie's killer.
00:44:52
But Idaho doesn't allow familial DNA searches in their criminal database. So Greg Hempikian, he is like, let's try to search public databases.
00:45:02
So in 2014, they search a public database owned by Ancestry.com. That has, it's fucking crazy.
00:45:09
They have all these connections to the Mormon community. Did you know they're like one of the biggest contributors to DNA?
00:45:13
Yes. They're the big family tree people. Like the Mormon church knows all about your family and where you come from and all that stuff.
00:45:21
And they're keeping it in like a bomb-proof mountain shelter. And all these churches like line up to get their fucking cheek swabbed.
00:45:28
Like, understandably, it's not a big deal, I don't think. But they get their cheek swabbed.
00:45:32
They get their fucking ancestry built up and shit. Yeah. And so Ancestry.com was like, can we have that?
00:45:37
Yoink. And like bought it. Wow. Yeah. So basically six. Sorry, I want to see the documentary movie about the person who brokered that deal.
00:45:45
Because it's some sweet-talking Mormon. Oh, no. That was someone that sweet-talked some Mormons.
00:45:51
Who knows? Some slick salesman had to go in and be like, of course I want to drink coffee.
00:45:56
Yeah. Can we have access to this? I know you're already rich, but here's some more money.
00:46:00
Basically, 1.6 million people in Utah alone have given their DNA to this database.
00:46:06
And then Ancestry bought it. Amazing. Yeah. So according to a search warrant, investigators received a list of 41 potential matches when they put in the DNA from the crime scene in July 2014.
00:46:18
One match is just one DNA marker away from the killer's DNA. Whoa. 34 out of 35 markers.
00:46:26
Whoa. They're like, great. They track him down. And when the man is looked into further, investigators are like, holy shit.
00:46:33
The man's name is Michael Ursary Jr. and right off the bat, they're like, his name is Mike.
00:46:39
His name is Mike. That's what fucking Christopher Tapp said. Yeah. Right? So they're like, boom.
00:46:43
Then they look more into his life and they look on his Facebook and it turns out that
00:46:47
he has friends in Idaho Falls, even though he doesn't live there. He lives in New Orleans.
00:46:52
Then they look more into him. He's a low budget filmmaker whose films are like literally about violence and murder.
00:47:00
Let me read you one of the, this is what the, one of the movies are about. The description is an average suburban housewife tries to stop her neighbor from going on a rampage after he witnesses a gruesome attack.
00:47:13
And the other one's called murderabilia. Like, it's just about murder. It's his passion.
00:47:18
Right. So they go to New Orleans. They question Ursary. And he admits to being in Idaho Falls in the spring of 96.
00:47:26
Whoa. Like on a trip. He's like, I was totally there visiting friends, but I don't know what was going on that night.
00:47:31
I don't know anything about this. he provides a dna swab and in early 2015 he's cleared whoa it's totally not him it's fucking
00:47:41
just coincidence after coincidence jesus but at this point he's like i want to get on the
00:47:46
fucking baton wagon too and help like solve this so he teams up with carol to help her so now wait
00:47:50
sorry but we have to pivot back and then be like just because you like horror movies yeah just
00:47:54
doesn't make you a killer it doesn't mean anything yes that's unrelated Let's turn our opinions around.
00:48:01
I was happy to jump on board with that. I see the error of my way. Yeah, but I bet if you questioned him for 30 fucking hours straight, he'd, what's it called?
00:48:10
Confess to. Yeah, yeah, probably. By this point, the Idaho Innocence Project had taken Christopher Tapp's case, and they're able to get Tapp's interrogation videos released.
00:48:21
And then they're like, holy shit. Angie's mom, Carol, watches the videotapes, too.
00:48:25
And she's just like, oh, shit. she's like i i kept thinking and she was reading all the case files she's like i kept not understanding
00:48:34
what i was getting wrong and like what i wasn't understanding until i realized it was all a false
00:48:38
confession yeah it was not the whole story it didn't make sense yeah so carol's convinced that
00:48:43
the man serving time for her daughter's murder was coerced into confessing and wrongfully convicted
00:48:48
oh i know she's a victim her only daughter she even contacts an expert an expert
00:48:57
she even contacts an expert in false confession analysis which is like what a fucking cool job
00:49:04
yeah really his name's steve drizen he watches all the videos as well and he says it's a textbook
00:49:09
case of psychological coercion he says um that police fed christopher tap facts about the crime
00:49:16
scene using deception and other sophisticated and psychologically manipulative techniques.
00:49:21
And that's how they got the confession out of him. Wow. Yeah. Couldn't have been too sophisticated.
00:49:26
If they're not experts enough to be good at solving the crime, we can't then turn around
00:49:31
and say that they're expert manipulators in the interrogation room. I mean, it can't be that hard to convince a 20-year-old high school dropout.
00:49:39
These men are like educated professionals that he did it. Same with Brendan Dassey.
00:49:45
It's like not like Brendan Dassey was a mastermind and they got him to confess. Yeah, that's true.
00:49:49
It could be the emotional ploy. Right. Anyway. OK, go ahead. No, no, it's good. So during this time, Christopher Tapp appeals his case several times and eventually Tapp's attorneys offer prosecutors a deal in March of 2017.
00:50:03
For his immediate release from prison, Tapp would agree to keep the aiding and abetting murder conviction on his record.
00:50:09
But they're going to drop the aiding and abetting rape conviction. so both sides agree to this fucking deal okay and after 20 years in custody it just lets
00:50:18
christopher taft walk free he was in jail for 20 years yeah holy shit yeah and you should see like
00:50:23
he's yeah it sucks yeah so like when he's in at trial the videos at trial and stuff he's just
00:50:30
this little boy and now he's this grown man yeah it's crazy so fucking cut to this past may of
00:50:38
2019. Oh. What's that? Four months ago? Four months ago? Yeah. Idaho Falls Police announced that they had used familial DNA and they were able to find
00:50:48
a match to the contributor of the DNA at Angie's crime scene. Uh-huh. A man, now 53 years old, named Brian Dripps.
00:50:58
Dripps and tap. Is that the fucking crazy thing? That's terrible. It's like such a coincidence.
00:51:03
That's crazy coincidence. so uh brian drips had been living in idaho falls at the time of dodge's murder but he had no history
00:51:11
of violent crimes he had he had been talked to by investigators when they were doing the
00:51:16
canvassing of the neighborhood because he lived across the street from angie's house
00:51:20
so they had like talked to him and he was like i don't i went out and came home and i was drunk
00:51:27
and passed out like i don't remember what happened and they were like great goodbye talk to you later
00:51:32
Yeah. So after. So what happened was investigators had gotten a familial DNA hit thanks to the help of Perobon Nano Labs, which is the Virginia based company that also helped ID the Golden State Killer.
00:51:44
Hi. Recently. Hey, what's up, best friends? Good job, everybody. Good job, guys. Police had they got the match like familial match.
00:51:51
They had to do the same thing with Golden State Killer where they followed him. They found a cigarette butt.
00:51:55
Yeah. Tested it to be sure. And it matched him exactly. so over the course of an interview that lasted about five hours drips admitted to the rape and
00:52:05
murder of angie dodge and said he acted alone whoa yeah so christopher taps is finally cleared
00:52:11
he's charged the same night the two investigators who had coerced a false confession from christopher
00:52:17
tap they're now retired and they refuse to talk about the case yeah i saw one thing that was like
00:52:22
one of the investigators said he doesn't remember anything about the case but then i said another
00:52:27
I think that was like he might have early onset Alzheimer's. So that might be why it's not.
00:52:32
I mean, then you could argue early onset Alzheimer's. You forget current things first.
00:52:38
Really? Not to be an argumentative. Be it. But I also bet there is such a massive amount of guilt that they can't even acknowledge.
00:52:46
Because to actually look and face, they approach that with, you know, we're all doing our best at all times.
00:52:52
They approach that with, we want to get this woman's killer off the street. Yeah.
00:52:56
these things are pointing to you, whatever we have to do to get you off the street.
00:53:00
And that's what they were trying to do. Their aim was true, but it was just way off.
00:53:05
It was off. Yeah. And like, I wonder if they'll even admit it now that he had nothing to do with it.
00:53:11
Or if they'll say, well, I bet he was still there aiding and abetting. Like they must have known each other somehow.
00:53:15
You know what I mean? Like, yeah, won't let it go still. But if the actual killer is like I acted alone, that's kind of the end of the story.
00:53:20
Totally. So on July 17th, 2019, that was just like a month ago. Yeah, that's right.
00:53:28
And now 43-year-old Christopher Tapp's charges were vacated. After fighting for his freedom for 22 years, he said, quote,
00:53:36
I am appreciative and deeply humbled that this moment has finally come. His case will serve as the nation's first exoneration to rely on genealogical DNA testing.
00:53:46
Wow. So, I mean, I feel like we should expect more of those. I'm sure. More than 25 of the more than 360 wrongful convictions overturned by DNA evidence in the United States have involved some form of a false confession Recently Brian Dripps was in court for a preliminary hearing and he said that he didn
00:54:07
know Angie Dodge, and he was drunk and high on cocaine and didn't remember what happened that
00:54:11
night. He had just had a baby. So he admits it. But there's a whole thing about like, did they
00:54:17
now he's fighting, because he's saying they didn't read him as Miranda rights. But it's
00:54:22
it's all just stalling and bullshit right so well and that sounds like actually even more
00:54:28
kind of internal denial where it's like uh yes drugs will make you do things especially
00:54:34
amphetamines or like uppers that you normally wouldn't do but murdering a person yeah cold
00:54:40
in cold blood is a whole different area yeah like you you knew there was a single woman living there
00:54:47
alone so you must have seen her there before and like that's yeah when you weren't on cocaine
00:54:53
exactly yeah exactly so you knew where to go yeah yeah yeah it just happened right so carol dodge
00:55:00
mommy um was present at the hearing and sat through the details about uh how her daughter
00:55:06
was brutally raped i don't know how families do that they do it i know and it's uh i mean it's
00:55:12
just so sad. It's so sad. It's, I get it. Like you want to, you, you don't want them to have
00:55:17
suffered alone. Right. I think you're there with them a little bit maybe. Yeah. It's just so,
00:55:22
it's such a, like a brave and incredibly strong thing to do because you're already in the worst
00:55:26
place you can be. Right. And then it's like, and now we have to go even further. I wonder if they
00:55:30
feel obligated to sit through that so they understand. Yeah. So they know the whole story
00:55:35
because also the, I'm sure not knowing makes it worse because that means you're writing whatever
00:55:39
you're thinking it's just like every time we get to this part in any kind of true crime documentary
00:55:44
it's just like good god yeah the amount of grief this person went through is insane um so she sat
00:55:50
through the hearing and after the hearing carol dodge approaches brian drips mother and says to
00:55:57
her it's going to be okay oh no and in tears the women embraced outside the courthouse you know
00:56:04
that's the one that gets me the worst. And you know, it's like you see before during Christopher Tapp's trial,
00:56:12
she was so angry. I like the son might have, one of the sons might've yelled something at them.
00:56:17
Like they were pissed off. Hell yeah. And now this time around that she's had some time to fucking deal with,
00:56:23
you know, that this is part of her life. She had compassion, which I think is so beautiful.
00:56:28
Yeah. And she would be 41 today. She hadn't been killed. Carol says about her only daughter's death that, quote, grief has no time limit.
00:56:37
I can't let go. Right. That is the murder of Angie Dodge, the nation's first exoneration to rely on genealogical DNA testing.
00:56:46
Wow. Oh, yeah. Amazing. I found that when I was looking on Wikipedia for for convictions that were overturned.
00:56:57
Oh, yeah. Yeah. So thanks, Wikipedia. Yeah. Good job, Wikipedia. That was great.
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Oh, yeah. Now, you might remember this. Well, actually, there have been so many of these, all different sorts over the years,
00:59:28
that it's probably going to sound familiar when I start talking about it. So, this is a fake doctor scandal.
00:59:35
And when I first, I started out looking for a cult story, because I haven't done a cult one in a while.
00:59:41
And we've done many. You're a cult expert at this point. I love cults. I love talking about cults.
00:59:49
There's definitely some I haven't done yet. But as I was kind of going through and again I went back to Ranker I mentioned them last week because that where I found my story from last week And they also talked to us on Twitter And we like hey thanks so much We your fans too which was very exciting
01:00:05
So thank you, Ranker. It's such a great website because when you're there to look for one thing that you're looking for, it just has constant little clicks, click spots.
01:00:15
It's like, oh, you're like, cults? Well, how about some fucking serial rampage? Here's the weirdest, 26 weirdest cults Los Angeles has ever seen.
01:00:21
And here's six death cults that make no sense. And they just keep on giving you versions of what you're looking for.
01:00:27
I think it's called clickbait. And I'm here for it. And I am present and accounted for.
01:00:32
So I basically got myself onto a page about like fake doctors. Now, I don't love Angel of Death stories.
01:00:42
No offense. Only because I'm offended by that because I've covered like two of them.
01:00:47
I know it's your passion. It's project. Definitely. I don't. To me, it seems kind of clear.
01:00:52
I get I get what that is. And my I'm always attracted to stories where I'm like, what in the fuck is going on?
01:00:57
Yeah, that's what I like, which is explains my passion for Sasquatch. So anyway, this story has everything and I'll show you now.
01:01:06
OK, maybe a little more intro. It was predominantly broken by. So it takes place in West Palm Beach, Florida.
01:01:14
And this story was broken by a reporter named Terry Parker for the WPBF News 25.
01:01:20
25. Or I think it's called WPBF News 25. Oh, that's my favorite of the W's news places.
01:01:28
WPBF one, WPBF two, it goes all the way up to 25. Okay, so this takes place in West Palm Beach,
01:01:34
Florida at St. It starts at St. Mary's Medical Center. Okay. And basically what happens is a
01:01:41
17-year-old boy named Malachi Love Robinson. Hardcore name. Right. He walks into St. Mary's Medical Center and he finds a white lab coat with the St. Mary's
01:01:56
Medical Center embroidery on the one side. Just lying about. I guess he finds, steals.
01:02:02
There's all the different way. Who knows? I don't like it. He reaches behind a door, pulls it off a hook without looking.
01:02:09
Boom, it's his. puts that on and walks around and basically pretends to be a resident, like a student
01:02:18
doctor at this hospital. Have you seen 17 year olds lately? They look 17. So 17. Yeah. And this one is no different. In 2015, his haircut absolutely screams I'm in high
01:02:31
school. And so the idea that he got away with this in any way, shape or form is a little crazy.
01:02:38
love it um but this is first of all it's florida secondly this is how these things go okay so um
01:02:45
on the other side so it's saint mary's medical center on one side anesthesiologist on the other
01:02:50
that's not one you want to fuck around with right so he goes around and starts and whenever
01:02:55
people ask him he'll say i'm i'm shadowing doctors or you know that's the phrase he uses
01:03:00
shadowing doctors which is like at least look up the correct terminology i think that's for waiting
01:03:05
tables. Yeah. Shadowing this server tonight. I'm shadowing this server. I'm shadowing this
01:03:11
neurosurgeon. Right. So he goes around, stands in patients rooms and shadows, quote unquote,
01:03:17
doctors. And anytime someone asks him, he basically has great answers. He's very convincing. He's
01:03:26
very intelligent. And he also says things like, oh, I've been a doctor for years. He says things
01:03:32
with such conviction that no one questions him for a month oh no a month he does it finally he
01:03:42
goes in and tries to stand in on a pregnant woman's consultation and the doctor who is attending is
01:03:48
just like who the fuck are you essentially that's finally when the cops get called so the cops arrive
01:03:55
when they look in his car, they find a second white lab coat. This one has his name embroidered on it.
01:04:03
At this point, he called himself Dr. Robinson. So he'd gotten a St. Mary's lab coat and then got his own name embroidered on it.
01:04:10
I bet it's not that hard. Well, the first thing I was picturing is, I wonder if he took it down to lids.
01:04:16
You know that hat store where you can get anything embroidered on a hat? Yeah. If he did that kind of thing where he's like, if some store that said embroidery,
01:04:23
It's like they're not going to know. They don't care. They think it's a Halloween costume or some shit.
01:04:28
Yeah. Or that you're a doctor that's just doing some errands. Right. Who cares? Oh, my God.
01:04:33
So because the thing I thought of then once I read that detail of they found the second coat and like he's parked probably in the employee parking or whatever, is that why in the beginning of this didn't anyone look and see why is this anesthesiologist sitting in on this OBGYN appointment?
01:04:50
Those things don't matter. There's no point. So it actually wasn't the best doctor's coat to grab.
01:04:57
It fucking worked. It definitely worked. And so who am I to criticize? So because he is so young when he's arrested, no formal charges are brought on this.
01:05:08
And they basically and look at what a baby he looks like. He's a baby. He's a baby, baby face.
01:05:13
That's not even 17. That's a that's a baby. Yeah. He's a very young looking baby face.
01:05:19
But he looks very serious. And he speaks. When he talks, you listen. He knows what he is saying.
01:05:27
He's very, like, front of mind. As you said, confidence, man. That's what it's all about.
01:05:32
They want to hear it. They do. And also, if you ask a personal question and you're uncomfortable by their presence, when they give you the answer you're looking for, you're so relieved you forget about it.
01:05:43
There's definitely that psychological trick of wanting scammers and con men. Yeah, wanting them to comfort you.
01:05:49
Yeah, you tell people what they want to hear and everyone feels great. So this guy's like, no, no, don't worry.
01:05:54
I been a doctor for years Be quiet He puts his fingers up to your mouth Time 17 doctor please Think of the patient It not the time for this He keeps going We talk about it in the break room
01:06:05
Yeah. We'll talk about it in the staff meeting. Also, in this picture, and maybe I don't know if this has struck you at all.
01:06:11
He's wearing his glasses on his head. Oh. Like I like to do sometimes. Yeah, you do.
01:06:15
That is such a, like, I'm pretending to be an adult move. Like the seeing eye glasses.
01:06:19
I only need this when I read. Yeah. I'm not that old yet. Oh, these are my readers.
01:06:23
I'm clearly 50. Okay, so they don't press charges. And they basically, and of course, the story goes viral, and they find this family photo where he is literally dressed like a doctor in the family photo.
01:06:38
Oh, my God. Let me see. So this is. Okay, he looks a little older here. Yeah. And he has a stethoscope on.
01:06:45
Right. They look proud of him. Everyone seems good with it. That's like a family photo.
01:06:51
But the photo that they use. He looks older here. I can see. He's got a little bit of facial hair.
01:06:55
So that was a series. It's like the family went and got a bunch of pictures taken.
01:06:59
Yeah. And this was the picture that went viral. Oh. And so many people. So this was, you know, 2015.
01:07:07
So this is like an old meme, basically. It was like the fake child doctor. And it was like things.
01:07:13
People writing stuff like, I need to inspect your titty balls. They were just doing dumb, like, dumb kids stuff.
01:07:20
Like 17-year-old shit. But pretending it was a doctor. so that happened i think everybody were like i can remember that as a distant memory of like oh
01:07:29
yeah that that happened up until now since he i don't know if he like hurt anyone i feel kind of
01:07:34
bad for him like clearly he had some issues something's going on and then it went viral
01:07:38
and everyone knows his face and how embarrassing and shit yes so that's a so that's a bad feeling
01:07:43
obviously you don't know anybody to be shamed yeah and there's something to it where it's like
01:07:48
there's a bit of gumption that I respect for sure. I love bullshitting. I love the kind of people
01:07:54
who are like, let's try to sneak into this concert where I'm like, I will never try to sneak in
01:07:58
anywhere ever. It takes big titty balls to do shit like that. You got to get your titty balls going.
01:08:02
And this guy has them all over the place. Yeah, and he used them. He's not afraid to use them.
01:08:07
Yeah. Okay, so then in fall of 2015, so basically, that happened at the beginning of the year.
01:08:13
So it's kind of vague in the middle of the year. But by October of 2015, he is the massage therapist at a rehab center in West Palm Beach.
01:08:27
Now, so you have to have a license to be a massage therapist. So he basically gets caught acting as a massage therapist.
01:08:36
You know why? Because you know how hard it is to give a massage? I bet it was a creepy, weird, light-handed 17-year-old massage.
01:08:42
Yes, it was all about him touching someone and breathing too heavy. Why is your mouth near my shoulder if you're giving me a therapeutic physical massage?
01:08:52
Oh, no. Yeah. So I don't want a 17 year old massage. People started looking up licenses.
01:08:58
There was no license to be had. So he actually gets sent a cease and desist order by the Florida Department of Health saying you are not allowed to pretend to be a massage therapist.
01:09:06
Stop it. Knock it off. That was in December of 2015. Okay. He's like, fine, I will.
01:09:13
Fine. So now I'm going to tell you a different story. We're going to fold in another story.
01:09:17
Love it. In December of 2015, which is the same month he receives his cease and desist order, 86-year-old Anita Morrison of West Palm Beach, Florida is suffering from stomach pain.
01:09:28
She met with a gastroenterologist several times. Gastroenterologist. Gastroenterologist.
01:09:33
Isn't it? Gastroenterologist. Okay. Yeah. I've been. You've enjoyed the company of?
01:09:40
I have. And she's not getting any better. So she's desperate to find a solution.
01:09:46
So she and her in-home health aide go online and start looking up homeopathic doctors because they're thinking maybe there's another option.
01:09:55
And that's when they find Dr. Malachi Love Robinson. Oh, dear. A naturopathic doctor.
01:10:01
I don't know if that's the correct pronunciation. Sounds right. Let's call him a naturopath.
01:10:06
and the founder of the New Birth New Life Medical Center in West Palm Beach. Oh, my God.
01:10:13
Now, that's that. That's this. That's that. That's their website, right? That's his website right there.
01:10:19
I trust it. Right? I'm going to call for an appointment. It looks very legit. It's all very on the up and up.
01:10:26
So, Anita arranges for Dr. Love, which is how he refers to himself on the website,
01:10:32
to make a house call to her home. And he comes by in his white coat and stethoscope.
01:10:37
That's what you look for when someone knocks on your door and says, I'm a doctor.
01:10:40
I'm a doctor. And he's wearing that weird silver reflective thing around his head.
01:10:44
He examines Anita. He listens to her heart and lungs. And he diagnoses her with arthritis.
01:10:50
None of her previous doctors have ever given her that diagnosis. So he tells Anita that he can cure her stomach ailments with vitamins.
01:10:59
Which is the, it made me laugh out loud when I read that line. Because I was just like, if I don't eat a certain amount of yogurt when I take vitamins, I will throw up in the driveway.
01:11:08
Yes. Like, I can't. The idea that that's the solution for your gastroenterological problems is hilarious.
01:11:14
I buy it and I'll try it. All right. Well, throw up in the fucking driveway if I want.
01:11:20
And that's the solution. Okay. So he goes to the store and buys her valerian and melatonin.
01:11:27
Okay. My understanding is those are for sleeping. Yes. They are. There's a different thing.
01:11:34
Yeah. He visits Anita four more times, but the pain never subsides. And then one day she calls and says she's in excruciating pain.
01:11:41
He says he'll be over right away. Shows up three hours later, says he won't be able to help her,
01:11:47
and that she'll have to go to the hospital. So Malachi calls 911 and tells the first responders his name is Dr. Love
01:11:54
and that one of his patients needs immediate help. When the ambulance arrives to take Anita to the hospital,
01:12:00
That leaves Dr. Love alone in Anita's house. Oh, no. He tells her she shouldn't bring her keys or purse to the hospital with her and assures her that he'll lock up for her on his way out.
01:12:11
Sure. It's a doctor. You believe him? Of course. He's got a stethoscope. Oh, my God.
01:12:14
For fuck's sake. Come on. Okay. So later that evening, Dr. Love goes to the hospital to visit Anita.
01:12:21
He tells her she needs to have several medical tests done. So he comes in in the outfit to the hospital.
01:12:28
Ballsy. Still doing it. still playing the game. He tells her these tests are going to be expensive, but they're necessary.
01:12:33
And she says, fine. So a few days later, Anita gets out of the hospital and then she notices
01:12:39
that there's money missing from her checking account. When she calls the bank to find out
01:12:44
what's going on, she finds there's two checks of hers from her checkbook that she left in the house
01:12:51
that have been forged. One was for $500 made out to Dr. Malachi A. Love. And the second was for
01:12:57
$1,200 made out to New Birth, New Life Medical Center. And both have signatures that are her signature, but that she did not write.
01:13:06
Right. So it's forged. So she calls the police and then the police look into it and they see that Malachi Love Robinson had also stolen $29,700 from Anitia's bank account to pay his Nissan, to pay off his Nissan auto loan.
01:13:22
Fuck. And $3,000 to pay off a Citibank credit card and $1,800 to pay off a Capital One credit card.
01:13:29
So he's basically been ripping her off the entire time. The grand total of everything he stole from Anita Morrison was $36,200.
01:13:38
Holy shit. So, okay, so the authorities are called and they start this investigation.
01:13:44
Now, meanwhile, January 2016, everybody opens their Facebook pages. And what's lo and behold, but Malachi Love Robinson is about to give his grand opening party for the new birth, new life medical practice.
01:14:01
No. So, yes. So some could construe it as a fake medical practice because it's a fully outfitted doctor's office inside the West Palm Beach Medical Plaza, which is this huge building.
01:14:13
The news reports kept showing the front of it. And it's like he it's like second only to a hospital.
01:14:20
Like he went right into a place. Yeah. It wasn't like some weird office that I ended up moving into with a bunch of other girls.
01:14:26
Yes. It is no odd storefront with like with teen girls living in the back. Yeah.
01:14:31
This is what he went into a medical plaza and was like, I'll take one office, please.
01:14:36
so so there's a sign on the door outside um that reads dr malachi love robinson nd phd hhp-c
01:14:47
amp-p-c amp-p-m md amp-p-m mini market you can't give those to yourself i mean apparently you can't
01:14:54
because this again it's this thing of that's just the sign company they don't know you can make any
01:14:59
sign in the world you want we can we can put a sign outside this studio right now that says
01:15:04
doctors Georgia and Karen. Let's do it. Exactly right. Like that's our hyphenated last name.
01:15:11
But we're not going to. So he's throwing like a grand opening party for his medical offices.
01:15:19
Oh, hors d'oeuvres and past apps. Right. This is my favorite part. So on this, this is the Facebook page invite for this party.
01:15:29
Okay. 74 have been invited. Seven are interested. And 19 went. Ouch. Yes. It's real hilarious.
01:15:40
Yeah. And it says, come out and join New Birth, New Life Medical Center for our grand opening in Suite 303.
01:15:46
We'll be celebrating the hard work of the staff involved in making this business possible.
01:15:49
Please come and share this memorable time with us as we celebrate the opening of West Palm Beach, his first holistic medical center.
01:15:57
All those. That's what's written. I'm reading it as written. Yeah. Also on his website up there, which is the New Birth, New Life Medical Center, that alone, that name alone, I would immediately be like, this is a weird Christian anti-abortion front.
01:16:16
Oh, I would think it was like a doula, like a birthing center. Well, it says at the top of the website for the New Birth, New Life Medical Center, medical center and urgent care.
01:16:28
Oh. So he's also kind of getting, I mean, I think that's dangerous waters where it's like, yeah, you can pretend to be a holistic doctor.
01:16:35
You can kind of try to pass it off as like general medical ideas. You get into urgent care and it's like people walking in with a nail in their ear or whatever.
01:16:44
Just like, why would you even sign up? Yeah, that's true. Like you're asking to out yourself.
01:16:49
You can't deal with the fucking nail on the head. Right. You can't. You don't know where to put gauze when people have something stuck into their head.
01:16:56
why would you be signing up for the probably the hardest part of being a doctor he's like googling
01:17:01
well it's real quick yeah uh does that nail have a brand name on it okay and it also on there says
01:17:10
it offers family planning services okay there's just all kinds of wow it also claims that there's
01:17:15
a staff of medical professionals working there and then under that it's like here's our staff
01:17:20
of medical professionals. And then the most stock photo photo you've ever seen of like eight doctors
01:17:27
each from every different race, creed, color, everything. There's just every type of person.
01:17:33
And none of them are real people. And none of them are real people. They're models that are good at acting like doctors. Okay. Just like Malachi himself. Yeah.
01:17:41
And he's listed as the owner and a physician. And then in his personal bio on the website,
01:17:46
he describes himself as, quote, a well-rounded professional with two F's who utilizes.
01:17:52
Oh, we can't misspell that word. No. Who utilizes physiological psychological and mechanical methods such as air water light heat earth and then in brackets to treat patients I know That as it appears on the website
01:18:06
I don't like it. Yeah. I mean, this is why you have to read the smaller print on things like this.
01:18:12
But this new business is licensed with the state of Florida, and it's been approved for taking both Medicaid and insurance payment.
01:18:21
So all that shit's fine. It's on a level. Okay. Shit. So there's a reporter at WPBF News 25 in West Palm Beach, and her name is Terry Parker.
01:18:31
And she gets a call from a concerned family member who's seen Malachi's grand opening party Facebook invitation.
01:18:38
Yeah, you got to think. Yeah, that there's people involved that are like, I don't know.
01:18:42
Yeah. So they call and say, you know, I don't know what they say. But I imagine it was something along the lines of, hey, my cousin Malachi loves pretending to be a doctor.
01:18:52
And he's up to it again. He's at it again. He's at it again. So she grabs a cameraman and goes down to the New Birth New Life Medical Center to ask some questions.
01:19:01
The beauty of this story is you can watch all of this on YouTube. Oh, yes. So somebody hips Terry Parker to this story and they basically break it on the news and then follow up on like they're on this like from there.
01:19:18
Breaking news. It's true breaking news. Holy shit. So she walks in and the shot is it's this it's a big office.
01:19:25
It has one of those like curved around receptionist area that could easily seat six receptionists like a big receptionist area.
01:19:35
And the shot that's so funny is there was the reporters walking in and talking and he is coming out and he's got his white doctor's coat on his stethoscope around his neck.
01:19:47
neck. He's carrying a very official, like one of those metal clipboards that doctors carry around.
01:19:52
That you can open? Yes. That has a compartment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's looking at her very like, what's this now? And then she's basically like...
01:20:00
Does he look really young? Oh, yeah. No, he's 18 years old. It's hilarious. He's kind of tall. It's not like he's little, but he absolutely has a baby face and
01:20:11
It does not look like he should be. He doesn't look like he should be helping the receptionist at that office, much less the doctor in charge.
01:20:19
OK, so basically he it takes him a second to figure out what's happening. He's clearly shocked and he's the only one there.
01:20:27
And then he as she says, can I ask you some questions about your medical practice?
01:20:32
and he then goes behind the receptionist desk and very, very slowly takes off his stethoscope
01:20:38
and takes off his white doctor's jacket. And then it's just him in his yellow and black plaid shirt.
01:20:45
And she starts talking to him and then he starts to answer her and then basically says,
01:20:50
I don't want this recorded. I'm not comfortable with that. And so they have to turn off the camera.
01:20:55
And then the reporter in the report, you can watch all this. She goes, but he did invite us to come back later.
01:21:01
and then he would speak on camera like the next day. So then it cuts to her going and him in a new different outfit.
01:21:08
He looks great. He's got this beautiful like camel cashmere sweater on and a blazer.
01:21:14
And he's giving her the full tour. And all the questions she asked where she's like,
01:21:18
but you are not a medical doctor or whatever. And he's like, no, no, no. And I don't claim to be.
01:21:23
I'm a naturopath, but I'm hiring MDs. And I'm hiring that I'm I'm speaking to several doctors who I'm going to hire to work here.
01:21:32
This is my business. Yeah. I don't claim to be a doctor. Then they cut to the sign on the wall outside that has the list.
01:21:40
It says new birth, new life medical center. And then it says Dr. Malachi, all the letters.
01:21:48
And then you see the reporter peel back a piece of white tape that was covering MD.
01:21:54
Yes. It's so genius. it's so delightful she just peels it back and then says that when she asked him about that
01:22:01
um he said he never authorized md to be put on the sign that was a mistake yeah that someone else
01:22:06
did that who wasn't listening to him uh-huh and essentially when they walk back through all his
01:22:12
websites and all the claims everywhere he says because he was not just it wasn't his own website
01:22:17
he was on like medical review websites he was on all kinds of places like kind of advertising for
01:22:25
this medical practice. And when they ask him about all that information, he says that they
01:22:31
basically added stuff without his permission. And it was the websites. So much happening without his
01:22:37
permission. No one's listening. It's, it's not his fault. And everybody else is doing stuff to try to
01:22:42
make him seem like a doctor. Yeah, against his will, except for the stethoscope. So, so basically,
01:22:48
it's it's this amazing thing and he's kind of like he really is good this young man is very
01:22:55
intelligent and he's very in the moment like he reminds me when i used to do debate in high school
01:23:01
there was um like one of them was basically improv debate yeah so you just be given or like improv
01:23:08
like you have to talk about this topic for five minutes good luck yeah which i loved watching but
01:23:13
i could never i couldn't even imagine doing it myself it made me so nervous he could do it in a
01:23:17
heartbeat. Yeah. Because he knows what he he knows what he can and can't say. And then he just slips
01:23:24
all around it all so that you kind of by the end, you're like, Oh, great. Thank you. I'm glad it was
01:23:30
finally explained. He's so smart. He should almost go to school to be a doctor. Yeah. Yeah. Do the
01:23:35
hard part. Yeah. Really, really test it out. So okay. So while WPBF is doing basically this expose
01:23:42
on this, what it doesn't seem like they know or anyone knows is that the Florida Board of
01:23:49
Health and the authorities since while they doing this expose at WPBF what it seems like no one knows is that they doing it and under there they have been there has been a case has been opened against Malachi and the authorities know
01:24:07
about it because of what happened to Anita Morrison. He's been, they've been watching him.
01:24:12
And so essentially when that clinic opens and he's officially open, somebody, an undercover
01:24:19
officer makes an appointment. Does he go to the opening party and have passed apps?
01:24:24
No, no, no. And the signature cocktail? Do they have a signature cocktail at the party?
01:24:28
They definitely did. It looked like blood separated. The serum separated. Got it.
01:24:33
No, this person was at home pretending to be very specifically sick. Okay. So they came in, they made an appointment, and they got examined by Malachi Love Robinson,
01:24:44
and he was immediately arrested. Because, you know, the talk he said of, like, I'm hiring doctors.
01:24:49
I don't claim to do it myself or whatever. you cannot like even if he was just the business person
01:24:55
that was like yeah this is what I'm doing the second you take a patient into a room
01:24:59
like that boom what if he was right though like what if the guy was like I hate or the woman
01:25:03
was like I hate to arrest you because you just you just diagnosed me with gout and I've been waiting for someone
01:25:09
I can finally walk and it's like well too bad no it's not that at all okay remember he was
01:25:15
giving someone who was intense and that's the other thing too that woman could have fucking died what if that was an appendicitis he's like here's some vitamins
01:25:24
yeah i mean it's all of course i'm making light of it but this it's not like he was pretending to
01:25:31
be a car salesman yeah he's pretending to be the one thing people need urgent care doctors you're
01:25:37
pretending to be a fucking urgent care doctor yeah very dangerous totally can't can't be happening
01:25:42
Yeah. So they basically immediately do a sting operation and arrest him. Terry Parker and the WPBF news camera is there for the arrest. So as he's being walked out in his white coat, wearing his stethoscope, that she is there asking him questions as they're walking.
01:26:01
Oh, you know, she got tipped off by someone in the police force. Yeah, sure. Well, you know, I bet you when they did their first that first report.
01:26:08
Oh, yeah. The cops are just like, hey, guess what? Yeah, we're trying. You just kind of screwed it up.
01:26:14
Yeah. Give us your tape and we'll give you the. But the funniest thing is with a person like this who we could.
01:26:21
I'm sure there's lots of different diagnoses for actually what Malachi is suffering from.
01:26:27
Yeah. but he, he would have gotten himself into this position because he, he thought he was impervious to the law.
01:26:34
Right. He thought he was going to get away with all of it. Yeah. So he is literally being walked in handcuffs to the elevator.
01:26:41
That's how nice his office was. It had an elevator in the office. Yeah. As he's being walked there,
01:26:48
Terry is walking alongside him asking these questions. And he was like, I can't speak.
01:26:52
He's being very like, it's just like he's being persecuted essentially the way he's acting.
01:26:57
And he's like, I cannot speak without my lawyer. You're going to have to speak to my lawyer.
01:27:01
I'm 18 years old. I'm 18 years old. I've never actually had a real job. Oh, my God.
01:27:06
At 18, I was like a waitress and I worked at a thrift store. At 18, I was still getting into fights with my mom about why I shouldn't have to have a job.
01:27:15
And that's the truth. Wait, at 18, I was living in that apartment building. Really?
01:27:21
Or office building. You were in the office next door to the new life, new hope universe.
01:27:25
down in West Palm Beach where you love to hang out. That's my place. Okay, so he's arrested.
01:27:31
He's later released on $26,000 bail. His lawyers say that they're going to have Malachi undergo a mental health evaluation
01:27:40
and explore the possibility of a mental health defense. Of course, now the story makes international news because it's already the viral story.
01:27:50
You know, each one of them starts off with, remember back? Yeah. Like, you can hear it.
01:27:54
you know, a lot of them refer to him as like a fake Doogie Howser. It's all that dumb shit.
01:27:59
They track down his business partner. So he has a business partner who is financing the New Birth, New Life Medical Center.
01:28:08
And they ask him why he believed Malachi was a real doctor. And he says that Malachi told him that he was homeschooled and took online courses.
01:28:17
He basically made it sound like explain the timeline of how he could be an 18 year old
01:28:22
practicing physician. Truly impossible. Then he points out that in this interview,
01:28:29
the business partner points out that the 18 year old fooled the state of Florida. So clearly,
01:28:35
and the guy's quoted as saying this, clearly, this is not your average 18 year old. And he
01:28:40
absolutely isn't. And here's how you know, he calls his own press conference. No. Yes. The Palm
01:28:47
Beach Post, which is the newspaper in Palm Beach, was at this press conference. And their video is
01:28:54
up on their website of this of this press conference that takes place. The cameras are
01:28:59
set up in the grassy area next to a parking lot. It's kind of nighttime. And Malachi walks up like
01:29:07
his car is parked a little far away. And he just walks up to this, you know, like the press table
01:29:13
where all the microphones are set up and there's probably four. Yeah. And this is what this is his press conference.
01:29:20
This is his statement. Oh, my God. Give it to me. Good evening, everyone. He's wearing.
01:29:24
Sorry. He's still wearing his glasses on his head as he walks. And then I think he put them on his readers, his readers.
01:29:30
And he's wearing a really nice blazer. Like he truly did look like one of the kids from the debate.
01:29:36
Yeah. Speech and debate world that I came from. And he looked that young. He looked like he was running for senior class president.
01:29:41
And he says, good evening, everyone. first of all I would like to just simply say that on behalf of myself
01:29:47
and my family we thank you for the concerns in the community about the accusations
01:29:51
that have happened the wording is amazing I just wanted to say that I deeply saddened and a little disrespected by some of the things that have come forth But I will say that my attorneys are working hard They working around the clock to make sure this issue gets resolved in the best way possible
01:30:07
I seriously doubt they're working around the clock. I would just simply ask that you allow my attorneys to do their job, that you respect the privacy, my privacy and my family's privacy.
01:30:17
And just please allow us to deal with this issue the way any normal family would.
01:30:21
By calling a press conference? In a parking lot. next to your Nissan Sentra. And I would simply ask that if you would please pray for us in this time,
01:30:31
that everything that has happened, that we get the truth out of it. And not only the truth, but we can shed some good light
01:30:38
on some of the things that are happening in the community today. That we can shed a good light on some of the positive things that are happening
01:30:44
and stop worrying about bashing someone and start lifting them up. Once again, I'd like to thank everyone for their support,
01:30:50
whether it was good or bad. No, don't thank the assholes. Oh, bad support is the worst support.
01:30:59
Bad support. Whether it was good or bad. I've had some great supporters and I've had some people who have said some negative things,
01:31:05
but everyone is entitled to their opinion. And once again, I'm not upset. Congratulations.
01:31:10
And I respect the community for having the concerns they have. But once again, please just respect our wishes and allow our attorneys to do the best they can.
01:31:17
So to work on this case. Thank you so much and have a great night. And it's like kind of quiet.
01:31:23
It's not like there's all these people going, excuse me, whatever. And then he's like, vote for me for class president.
01:31:29
For real. I feel like you could break down this statement with all the evasive wording.
01:31:35
And by the end, he's speaking about himself in the third person. It's really overblown.
01:31:39
And somehow his family, like it's all shit he did. And somehow he's like defending his family.
01:31:45
He's acting like he has been, yeah, he's acting like the victim. Which is, it's a great pivot.
01:31:52
A lot of people do it. We see people do it constantly in the press. Yeah. But I think these days, especially people are just like, oh, yeah. Why are you declaring that you're not upset? Like we're all supposed to be like, oh, my God, I'm so glad. Yeah. Like, yeah. Also, this is my favorite part. As he walks away, he literally walks 10 feet away to his car with like a couple family members. And as he's walking away, you hear one reporter go, who are your attorneys? And then another one, there's like a positive one goes,
01:32:21
are you a doctor and he just never turns around it's hilarious okay so while he's out on bail
01:32:31
after he oh sorry he gives that press conference and then he agrees after a couple days later
01:32:38
he agrees to sit down with good morning america don't do it uh-huh and at some point the reporter
01:32:44
says like obviously a couple minutes into the interview the reporter says are you a fraud
01:32:50
because everything you're saying to me is either evasive or an outright lie. And this is on by satellite.
01:32:56
And you see Malachi. He's like in the, you know, the monitor and he's touching the earpiece in his ear.
01:33:02
Oh, no. And he says, I don't appreciate your tone. I don't appreciate the way you're portraying this interview to be.
01:33:08
And then he fucking walks out of the interview. You're 18. He's handling business.
01:33:14
Fucking teenagers, man. They're such dicks. It's hilarious. And like the bravado of a person who actually hasn't probably lived life that much.
01:33:25
But he's a mimic. You can tell that he knows how to adjust to get out of things, to talk his way out of things or into things.
01:33:34
It's almost impressive. I was impressed. You should watch it. Yeah, I will. So, okay.
01:33:39
So now he's out on bail. He goes to Stafford County, Virginia and tries to buy a $35,000 Jaguar.
01:33:46
What? Yeah. That's your next move, bro. That's his next move. Go to a different state.
01:33:53
You know what? I'm going to go get it. $35,000. You know what? I'm trying to be a naturopath to this community.
01:34:00
That's such an 18-year-old thing to do. Yes. Although, I guess 50-year-olds do that, too.
01:34:04
Yeah, a lot of people like those cars. But when he tries to apply for a line of credit, he uses a 73-year-old woman's name as his co-signer.
01:34:13
And he explains to the dealership and the bank that that's his godmother. and that she's agreed to help him.
01:34:19
Of course, the woman denies the claim and he gets arrested in Virginia. So he pleads guilty to one count of falsifying information on his credit application,
01:34:28
as well as a forgery charge. He's sentenced to 10 years in prison. But once again, the judge suspends the majority of the prison term and he only serves 16 months.
01:34:39
Wow. So then after the 16 month sentence in Virginia, he goes back to Florida now to face the 14 charges from all of his conmanship during during 26 15 and 16 15 and 16
01:34:56
there you go um so essentially he tried he tries for a while to claim innocence but what i think
01:35:03
happened this is personal theory purely personal yeah i think when the lawyers were saying we're
01:35:09
going to do an insanity defense he's like no fucking way yeah i'm not crazy and i'm not going
01:35:14
to get up there try to get out of this by saying i'm crazy huh there is this thing about like
01:35:18
defending yourself in that situation right where it's like yeah i'm not fucking crazy and i refuse
01:35:23
to yeah it's the more bravado i'm gonna win this through innocence and i'm gonna win again because
01:35:29
why wouldn't he think that he could he spent a month in a major hospital hanging out pretending
01:35:36
to be a doctor yeah so what i would believe in myself yeah okay so but he has a change of heart
01:35:42
for whatever reason, you don't know if it's mine, he pleads guilty. He's sentenced to a 3.5 year prison term
01:35:48
in a maximum security prison outside of Fort Myers. And he's also ordered to repay
01:35:54
all of the victims he robbed, which is a total of $80,000. Holy shit. What? What can an 18-year-old do with 80 grand?
01:36:02
Yeah. Give it to the people he scammed. Oh, right. Essentially. Yeah. So I think that was the total of all the stuff that he stole from Anita Morrison.
01:36:12
Right. And then in the car, maybe. Yeah. Maybe all the post-it notes he bought on his backer's dime.
01:36:19
He has to give back all this office supplies. That beautiful office building. Such a gorgeous office.
01:36:24
Okay. So after his incarceration. Do you think he had fish? A fish tank in the office?
01:36:29
When you see the reporter go in, there is a really funny family photo on the wall that clearly wasn't planned correctly in terms of it's a smaller photo on a huge empty wall.
01:36:43
And then it's just this kind of weird thing stuck there where you're like, this is just a boy playing doctor office.
01:36:49
So no baby sharks and saltwater tank? No. All right. I mean, not yet. I think given the chance.
01:36:57
I would have done. He could have also then started his own aquarium. Nothing looks more legitimate in a doctor's office than a really nice fish tank.
01:37:05
That's very true. Okay, so once he's been in jail for, I believe it's a year and a half, he grants Inside Edition an interview with reporter Les Trent.
01:37:22
And in it, he says, Les Trent basically says, like, what was the end game here? Yeah. Like, why would you do this? And he says, and he does seem different when he gives this interview. And I, it could be because he's so smart. He knows you have to look repentant or something like that so that you get out. Who knows? Or he could, he could really have kind of like, maybe he's getting treatment. Yeah. And kind of facing some stuff. Yeah. Or he could just fucking hate jail and be like, sure, whatever it takes to get out of here. Yeah. But he says, quote, I was a young kid.
01:37:54
I was a young kid who got overly ambitious and just said to hell with the rules and regulations.
01:38:01
Amen, dude. 18 months prior. I mean, don't maybe kill people. No, but don't put anyone's life in jeopardy just because of your whatever.
01:38:10
And he said, I guess the bigger picture was seeing the smiles of people thinking that you're something that you're not.
01:38:17
Yeah. so then let's try and ask him if he regrets what he's done or does he regret that he got caught
01:38:23
which is such a good question to ask someone and that's basically like the sociopath yeah are you
01:38:28
fucking sociopath or right and malachi being the genius that he is says i 100 regret what i've done
01:38:36
because i've messed up my life a great deal oh so he gives the right answer incorrectly yeah
01:38:43
for that sociopathic thing, which I was kind of like, oh, it's so fascinating. He thinks he was giving the correct answer, but he has a tell.
01:38:52
He couldn't. He has a tell. And you can't tell the truth if you don't understand why you're telling it.
01:38:59
That's right. Yes, that's right. Yeah, if you don't know what the true lesson is and you can't repeat it back.
01:39:07
Or the reason people are wanting the truth. Yeah. I don't know. And the I think that we don't know, obviously, what the situation is.
01:39:16
It could be anything. But when we've done stories of terrible killers and people that are, you know, like total psychopaths, the thing is they always talk about themselves.
01:39:26
Right. When it comes to this part of it, they always bring in how hard this thing has been for them.
01:39:32
Totally. That's the trick always. So this is clearly a much less, much, you know, nonviolent.
01:39:39
It's a little more whimsical. It's like a little lighter and more fun, but it still kind of adds that same thing.
01:39:45
It's my fascination with figuring out who's a sociopath or what the deal is. And what's driving sociopaths.
01:39:52
Yeah. And then there was another very human moment that I really, that was sad because the reporter asked if he still wanted to be a doctor.
01:39:59
and Malachi says little tinge of sadness I do he says it like that which made me go like what if this whole thing was just that was his dream and he knew it wasn going to happen So he was doing what he could Yeah He just wanted maybe he didn understand what being a doctor was
01:40:16
He just wanted the feeling of people respecting him and looking up to him and the hope.
01:40:22
Yeah. It would be cool to know, was there some story in his past of like, there was a doctor in his family or a doctor that he was treated by.
01:40:31
Yeah. That he wanted that same glory. And just to put this in perspective, this is such not an uncommon story that when I was looking up these videos, the video before and after, one was a 26-year-old California boy, man who had impersonated a doctor.
01:40:54
No. And the one after that, or no, I'm sorry. These stories happen within the same month, maybe, when Malachi was arrested.
01:41:04
There was a 26-year-old that was arrested for posing as a doctor. And there was a 41-year-old woman who was arrested for impersonating an orthodontist
01:41:14
who had even given kids braces. What? That was another story that just kind of got folded in.
01:41:22
And then I was just like, I'm sorry, but I might go off on a whole scammers area.
01:41:27
I think this is a new podcast. It's my passion. My favorite scammers. The idea that you're halfway through putting braces in a child's mouth.
01:41:35
Yeah. You don't go, but I kind of don't know how this works. Yeah. At what point are you like, I'm faking all of this.
01:41:42
Yeah. I might be screwing this up. Or did the braces look like when Nora was so obsessed with getting braces before she had them and she would take earring backs and she would unfold a paperclip and snap earring back?
01:41:52
backs all along and then stick it in her mouth so it looked like braces. I mean, was that with those patients?
01:41:59
Did the 41-year-old lady get caught? Because everyone's like, sorry, my braces taste like earwax.
01:42:06
Where are these? They're not actually attached to my teeth. Oh, that's so scary.
01:42:10
And that was the intensely interesting story of the fake Dr. Malachi Love Robinson.
01:42:16
Fuck, dude. Yeah, man. Good job. Yeah. Now I'm wondering if my invisible braces are on correctly.
01:42:26
Am I just like walking around? Look up the doctor's website and start looking up what all the letters mean.
01:42:33
I feel like it's also that thing of like you print up a couple diploma looking things and put them in a frame and you're set.
01:42:39
No one reads that shit. I am like I'm into the homeopathy shit to a point. Sure.
01:42:47
And yeah, you just don't know. You don't. You can't. And like some of the shit that like some of the ways that they test you seem ridiculous.
01:42:55
Like they test your arm to see if it bounces back and then they're like, you have gout.
01:43:01
Whatever. I don't know. I keep bringing gout. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I'm never going to the doctor again.
01:43:08
That's the solution. You know what it is? What? When you're in the hospital, don't be afraid to say, I don't want that guy in here.
01:43:16
Because you don't know. That guy looks like a baby. You could be right. no children in here during my obgyn appointment that's my special request that's that's you're
01:43:25
so high maintenance it's fucking hooray time it's fucking hooray time what you got man all right
01:43:31
do you want me to go first no i can go first mine's mine's whatever uh my whole life and i swear
01:43:39
10 years ago i put this on a this is how i want my life to go like these are my little things that
01:43:43
I would love to have as a grown up. One of those things is a fucking nice bathtub.
01:43:49
Oh. And I'm not talking about the fucking shower bath combo. I'm not into that. But you know that when we go on tour, I make Vince look for hotels that have separate bathtubs.
01:43:58
Yo-ya. To the point where one time we were in a bathtub in New York City. I was in a bathtub in New York City, got out and had someone else's body glitter on me.
01:44:06
Is that true? Yeah. I don't remember that. So I was like, I need my own bathtub.
01:44:11
when we got the new house and we were like in a remodel. I was like, I need a bathtub.
01:44:15
I don care how small the bathroom is Like this is my dream This is my like present to myself Now you know what funny is I know you love bathtubs but on tour I always just thought we were lucking out if we got baths Because remember there was that hotel we stayed in in Detroit
01:44:29
where the bathtub was like in the room. Yeah, it was like, it was as important as the bed in the
01:44:33
room where I was like, she must be stoked where I'm like, Oh, girl, that's right.
01:44:37
My husband is doing this. This is my dream. Like I would bring Epsom salt with us on tour,
01:44:45
because I like knew what places had bathtubs. This is my fucking dream. I love it so much.
01:44:50
And so now I have a bathtub. It's been like, what, a month since I moved into the house?
01:44:54
The amount of baths I've taken, the fucking lotions and potions and salts and fucking bombs and fucking face masks
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and washcloths that I have bought for this epic fucking self-care nightly moment
01:45:10
is so fulfilling to me. I love it. Do you have music playing? No, I listened to a podcast or a murder book.
01:45:18
Yeah. Stephen King in the bathtub. Keep that head above water, please. Great. Thank you.
01:45:23
And it's just like a, it's like a dream. What color is it? What? The bathtub. White.
01:45:29
Oh, it's just a regular bathtub. What do you think it was? What color do the bathtub come in?
01:45:32
I don't know. Well, I have to say I was picturing, because I've seen that special tile that you have
01:45:39
in one room. So then I, in my mind, I was like, it's a dark blue bathtub. Oh, no, it's just a big old tub.
01:45:45
Oh, I love it so much. That's awesome. It's part of the family. I need to see your fucking house, by the way.
01:45:51
I know. You haven't been to my house. Come over this weekend. Okay. I will. You go.
01:45:55
I will for sure. My thing is just, it's so funny. I didn't, as I said in the beginning, I didn't watch the VMAs last night.
01:46:02
Because I'm almost 50 and it doesn't apply to me anymore. It is not for me. It doesn't make sense to me.
01:46:09
I don't know any of the people's names. Even Big Barty? Cardi B? Was Cardi there?
01:46:14
Uh-huh. Did she kill it? I don't know. I just know she was there. Oh. Well, you know who did kill it?
01:46:20
And of course she did. Was Lizzo. Oh, was she there? Dude. Oh, I love her. Missy Elliott got the Vanguard Award.
01:46:28
She's the first female rapper to get the Vanguard Award. And she did a medley that was basically her reenacting all of her most popular videos.
01:46:39
Amazing. It was kind of a hits medley. But she actually, it was amazing. At one point, this huge spaceship flew out over the cornfield and people were flying up into space.
01:46:51
It was amazing. I got to watch it. I made Steven and Jay watch it with me earlier.
01:46:56
So good. But that, so that was amazing. I've always loved Missy Elliott. She is my hero.
01:47:01
But Lizzo came out. During Missy Elliott? No, no, no. Sorry. Okay, separate. Lizzo got her own time because she was a nominee.
01:47:08
and they had the uh this the stage decoration for hers was just the hugest ass you've ever seen
01:47:19
inflatable on the stage bouncing like bouncing like a huge balloon the entire time like a parade
01:47:26
float i love it and then her and her dancers and her backup singers um all were you have to watch
01:47:34
But I will tell you this. I forgot my thing where when I watch things like that, I cry openly.
01:47:42
Oh, yeah. When I watch stuff like pride. Is it like pride? Like, I'm so happy for them.
01:47:47
So happy. And I'm so like when I watch both of those women. But what Lizzo is doing with the way she looks and the message that she's sending and the effect it has on that audience.
01:47:58
It is like fucking how many? Ten thousand people. It's this huge arena. everyone is on their feet screaming they just keep taking shots of the audience of people
01:48:08
going berserk and she's like she's screaming good as hell like it's the good as hell message
01:48:14
it's the fucking why men great we have a cross stitch right behind you that's just as good as
01:48:19
hell that's right whoever made that for us it's just the most beautiful it's like such a feel
01:48:24
good you deserve to feel good you beautiful i beautiful and she pulls she does a whole reveal where she wearing like a basically a yellow bathing suit and like yellow high tops and she fucking destroys she destroys so what do we put
01:48:39
Lizzo VMAs 2019 2019 it's just a beautiful thing and then immediately watch Missy Elliott's performance
01:48:47
because you just can't believe first of all how long her career has gone and all those hits and then just like
01:48:53
what they did visually it's great I love it yeah cool yay i'm plugging the vmas i'm plugging vmas and i'm also plugging now openly crying whenever you
01:49:03
feel like it because i don't know how uncomfortable jay jay and steven were but i didn't even think
01:49:08
about it i was just crying yeah but i also during lizza's performance i started getting teary-eyed
01:49:13
too it's just yeah yeah because that message is just so it i think somebody on twitter tweeted
01:49:19
i want to love myself as much as lizzo wants me to love myself okay i'm gonna try it like the idea
01:49:25
that that's what Nora gets to grow up with, the standard. Yeah. It's the literal opposite of how I grew up.
01:49:32
It's gorgeous. I'm feeling deep in my heart right now that I want to go home and go in my closet and
01:49:36
cry. Do it. Like I really am. No, I'm doing it right here in front of you. I feel like a little bit.
01:49:41
Tara, look at me. Take, okay, take your laptop into that room, maybe into the bathtub, and then watch it
01:49:47
and cry and do it all at once. Okay, and then I'll accidentally drop my laptop into the bathtub and cry over that.
01:49:53
Make and fold it. You can have it all, girl. I can have it all. Lizzo says I can have it all.
01:50:01
Lizzo says you can, and that means you can't. I believe her. Yay. Thanks for listening, you guys.
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