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To My Favorite Murder. That's Georgia Hardstart. That's Karen Kilgariff. And we're here to talk to you about a couple things you need to know.
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Number one. If you're going to turn the fan, if you're going to be the one that turns the fan off.
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Yeah. If Stephen asks you very nicely. And then you agree to turn the fan off. You know yourself, Stephen.
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Because you're the closest, even though, you know, seniority wise, Stephen should have gotten up and turned the fan off.
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This is a democracy. Look, we're trying to be even. Right. Listen. Listen and look.
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And look, I was fine turning the fan off. Sure. I mean, you should be fine turning the fan off.
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It shouldn't be that. So if you just turn it off, then don't trip over it and almost break everything in the room like a bizarre baby elephant.
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which is what happened moments before this recording began. That's right. Karen's a little flustered.
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She then hit her entire body on the table and spilled her coffee everywhere. But she's a professional.
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There's an energy just around me right now. I call it a synergy. It's a synergy.
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I'm working with clumsiness. Yeah. We just signed a three-picture deal together.
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So I'm going to be tipping things over. Love it. It might be my new teeth. Your new teeth are like, you're like top heavy now.
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All my balance is off. Tell everyone, because we posted a new video on the fan cult.
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The fan cult. And people are commenting how nice your teeth look. I had all of my front teeth replaced, everybody.
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That's right. I think I've been talking about wanting to, of course, for a long time, but I finally did it.
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Yeah, so essentially I got whiter, wider, and much longer teeth. Yeah. And so now I just look like a normal person instead of a leprechaun that bit into a brick of gold because of greed.
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Look, you looked great before. You look great now. You just have wider, bigger teeth.
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Listen, people at my age, middle age, we like to call it, need things to help them.
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Yeah. Chew their food. Chew their food, open their mouth and smile and look like a normal person and not a monster.
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And so from here on out, goodbye, my strange, my weird smirky smile with my mouth closed that is in every meet and greet picture.
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Oh, yeah. Where I'm always like, not really up to snuff is what my smile used to be.
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And now I look like one of those weird German mannequins that has their mouth open.
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Mince is going to have to be just the flash and the lighting at the meet and greets for your giant smile.
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I'm going to need, he's going to have to hold one of those big weird silver things and bounce his light.
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That's right. It's going to be crazy. It's going to be magic. What's new with you, Georgia?
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Speaking of live shows. Wow. Plug away, plugger. Myfavoriteweekend.com for the Santa Barbara show.
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And then we have some at myfavoritemurder.com. We have some upcoming shows in the UK.
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Oh, yeah. You can find links for tickets there. That's it. Come to the UK with us.
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What's new with me? Vince is out of town at a wrestling thing in Chicago. Is he wrestling some people?
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He's just fighting people in the streets. Yes, he just travels to different cities and fights on the streets.
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Yeah, you know, and he doesn't want to get recognized, so he does it in different cities.
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And I you know it been my first like my first time alone in the new house There noises There like even with Vince home I a little scared sometimes Not a Vince I want to clear that get that clear He always is raising his back hand to you
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Yeah, but it's just, he's itching his shoulder. And I'm like, what are you doing?
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So I'm making my dad spend the night with, at my house. Marty. Marty. Which is like, I kind of don't need it, but I kind of also knew, I kind of am.
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And I also knew it would make him feel good too. Sure. To be like, I'm taking care of my daughter.
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I'll do it. And how was it? It's good. He's there right now. We were going to make a nice dinner.
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Oh, good. Yeah. Once he turned his phone off and wasn't watching shit loudly on it anymore.
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Downstairs. I could hear him. Does he have his keyboard sounds on? No. Is he one of those people?
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Those people that should be locked up. Yeah. A lot of keyboard sounds. People at the airport I found when we were on tour.
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I was always sitting near people where I just wanted to go, Hey, I guess you were raised by wolves.
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Turn the fucking keyboard sounds off. If you're going to write more than a couple of words to someone in a quick text, turn your clickety-click keyboard sounds off.
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Just for one moment, practice this for one minute every morning. Think of what you must be like to be seated next to on a plane.
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That's a great idea. Just picture it and then adjust from there if you feel like it.
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I think that if someone called me an asshole, they wouldn't be totally wrong. When I sit up in the morning and think about myself, what am I like sitting next to on a plane?
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I think like antisocial, maybe just a little like, you could be a little friendlier, Georgia.
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But on planes, because it's an enclosed space, I feel like air on the side of unfriendliness.
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Okay. First of all, I've sat next to you on a plane. You're more like a coma patient than anything else.
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You pull those eye shutters down real quick. My eyebrow. You go way away. I do. As fast as possible.
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Bye. I think that's ideal. Yeah. Wake me up for snacks and drinks. Bye. Yeah, goodbye.
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Have you seen the photo of the one woman passed out on a plane and she has a stick it post a note on her like forehead that says wake me up for snacks and drinks?
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Yes. Steven is making a note. Do we know for a fact that she's the one that put it there?
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You gotta hope. Or some sassy Southwest flight attendant who was like, this will be funny.
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But I'd be like, thanks. Yeah. These are the things I need. Could you imagine it?
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What a world if we could just write on a post-it note what we wanted. And then it's like, wake me up for interesting conversation.
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I put two asterisks on the beginning and the end of interesting. I love it. Oh, Karen.
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This is laminated and it has like a little buckle or like clip. She brings it with her.
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This lady's a professional traveler. Yeah. Because it looks like the kind of thing you'd wear if you were like an ER nurse.
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Yeah. Clip to your shirt. please wake me up for snacks and drinks. Thank you. Yeah, that's all you need.
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But she's wearing what looks like a neck brace, even though it's just one of those sleeping.
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I have one of those. Yeah. But it's on the front. It goes on the front. Hers looks like she's been in a car accident and she's not letting it go.
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And then she does that. And actually her eye covers. Yeah. For some reason, I can't think of that word.
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Look like doesn't it look like a maxi pad wrapper? It does. Like exactly. Oh, go to Instagram.
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my favorite murder and we're going to show this to you guys and tell that woman she's a hero i don't
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know we'll find out she's our new mascot ask for what you want that's right and then she's gonna be
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she's gonna be at the santa barbara weekend front row center for every show asleep with sleep with
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her mask on we're just gonna keep waking her up and giving her snacks so so we're gonna give her
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one pretzel every 15 minutes right but like a big pretzel not like a shitty pretzel no no a hot
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pretzel we should make sure they serve good snacks at our anyways cut that out we'll make it steven
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list it. Am I hungry? Okay. I have Rec Room. Great. The Rec Room. Thank you. Okay. That's
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actually a rip off of an SNL sketch. Okay. Okay. Just want to call it. Sorry. No, you're great.
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Patient Zero is a podcast I'm listening to now. And it's from New Hampshire Public Radio. And
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they're solving medical mysteries. So the first season is about Lyme, which I'm actually fascinated
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with. I have a couple of friends who actually have it. And so I have weirdly learned a lot
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about it and this is like the history of it and how it was you know figured out and all the people
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the players and it's like really it's just like soothing and it's it's kind of like a radiolabby
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style soothing good podcast so cool yeah i love it um yeah that's amazing because i feel the thing
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that's so frustrating about lime i mean i from what i've heard from people that have it is that
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doctors don't believe you have it you have to find doctors that think it's real oh it's horrifying
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What a nightmare. Are there limerinos out there? I bet there are. Well, let us know if you are.
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Hi, friends. Hi, we're with you. Sorry about that. Yeah. It sucks. We believe you.
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I mean, you don't need us to, but we think it's real. Yeah. And so that's all it counts.
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We know it's real. Yeah, that's right. We're doctors. It counts what we think. My sister texted me the other day and said, oh, no, we're talking on the phone.
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And she said, have you heard Taylor Swift's new song? And I was like, I haven't.
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I'm really not up on it. And she was like, well, go right now and download You Need to Calm Down by Taylor Swift.
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And that's what me and Nora listen to every day on the way to school. And it is, first of all, I love the way these days and these, like Taylor Swift is the kind of star where, you know, she's mega humongous.
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and when they write these songs they get to like talk to the people that piss them off directly
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it's so funny all i can ever think of when i listen to these songs is i want to know who she's
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talking about i want like if it was on a player i want pictures of the people she's referencing to
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come up i love it it's hilarious so yeah um i would say that one i drove homeless i haven't
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listened to it yet you need to calm down it hilarious little taylor swift she very very talented and has been for a long time and very smart And we fight you on that
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What else? Is that it? That's it, because today's Friday. Yeah, we're taping early for personal reasons.
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Oh, because Labor Day. Labor Day. It's Labor Day. No, it's Stephen Day. No, it's Stephen Day is coming up, so we had to tape today.
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So we haven't lived a full week yet. Yeah, we don't know what the topic is right now that's like big.
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important. And last week, we had so many rec room. We had so many items in the rec room.
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All right. So this is a short opening. Let me just say you're sorry, super quick. Oh,
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of course I do. This isn't a rec room. Let's go back up the basement stairs. We're out of the
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rec room. Okay. Two things. Thank you, everyone who tweeted at me, tweeted Stefan gifts,
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because apparently, without realizing it, I started my story last week by saying,
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this story has everything oh my god yeah of course these are the kind of things you can't hear
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yeah talking and trying to read things correctly words too it's not like this story has everything
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i love it but my sleeves were pulled over my hands can you believe stefan and barry are the
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same people i know he's so talented i want to see a fucking barry episode with barry as stefan
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oh bill hater as playing barry has barry on does do an impression of stefan something like that
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would barry do that though no seem to be in his wheel no he makes him someone else makes him do it
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yeah at gunpoint but but more importantly um someone named rachel dukes from um mixtape comics
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sent me a tweet that says as someone who loves cults and comics i can't recommend this anthology
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enough um the stories are fascinating and the artwork is gorgeous and then she linked me to a
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kickstarter page um and it's for a a comic anthology coming out called american cult
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remember i've talked about this before on this show there used to be a series called the big
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book of and it was like the big book of vice the big book of death the big book of whatever
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it's basically seems like it's a relatively the same idea and as of right now uh friday
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it might be almost ending when this goes up um but they're really close to their goal
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and you're fucking hooking them up right now well i want to because i want this so i already i did
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my donation love it or pledge or whatever you call it i've never kick-started anything before
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i was really excited but i got in there because i was like i want this now so and then i tweeted
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about it but if anybody done that a couple times like a revolutionary cat toy or something like
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that, right? Like, I want that. Yes. And that's the frustrating thing about this happened last
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year, because there was a what's that game? I want to I'm too old for this game. It was
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no. No. Oh, no. It's not who's who? Guess who? Guess who? Yeah. Yeah. Where you flip
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the thing. Yeah. Yeah. That someone made us the murder version of it. We've gotten like
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four different murder versions of Guess Who? Thank you. Every very amazing person who's
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done that for us. But somebody made a powerful woman in history. Guess who? Wow. And so you
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flip it up and then you're matching whatever it's super cool i went on there and it was like all
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everybody had ordered it already yeah like it was like i was like pretty soon like just have a game
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that's a great idea it seems like i i feel like it's very close to meeting its goal okay but then
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I'm first this week. You're first, so I'm going to sit back. I know I'm first, and so I'm going to declare it.
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Do it. This one is so old. I'm positive you know about it. I'm positive you've seen it in every kind of whatever it is,
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ID channel like Weird Death Love or whatever any kind of Valentine's Day disturbing
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story, anything like that you've heard this one already it's the very upsetting tale
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of Carl Tanzler's Corpse Bride okay I think so you know it so I got most of my information from
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of course, Wikipedia Wikipedia Atlas Obscure which if you don know about Atlas obscura it is such an incredible oh i talked about it i talked about it before i mentioned it before because my dad gave me that
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book do i have it in mind this week no i don't but i yeah i love it it's great i i actually was
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looking through their twitter and looking at the how interesting every single one of their articles
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is. And like, this is so how are they thinking of all these ideas and things? Well, also,
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it just made me realize the reason they can do that is because it's about everything in
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the world. That's the whole idea is like travel the entire world. So this story is from this
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remote part of wherever. They just are so good. Shout out Atlas Obscura. Love your book.
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And then, of course, BuzzFeed. Tried and true. All right. So let's start with the person
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that was impacted most by this whole exchange, which is the woman who ended up being the corpse
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bride. Her name is Maria Elena Milagro de Hoyos, but her family called her Helen. She's a Cuban
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American woman born in 1909. Her parents were Francisco Poncho Hoyos, who was a cigar maker,
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and Aurora Milagro. And so Helen and her parents and her two sisters, they all live together in
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Key West, Florida. Her sisters are named Florinda and Celia. Beautiful this time of year. Right?
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Key West. I'm back in Florida this week. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Welcome. There's lots of stories
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coming out there. I don't know if you've heard. It's weird. Okay. So February 18th, 1926,
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17-year-old Helen marries a man named Luis Mesa. But soon after their wedding, she gets pregnant and then loses the baby. Wait, what year is this around? This is from 1926.
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Okay. Aw. Yeah. So he leaves her and moves to Miami. Great. See you later. Okay, bye.
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They're never officially divorced, but obviously it's over. So about four years later, on April 22nd, 1930, Helen becomes extremely ill.
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So her mother takes her to the United States Marine Hospital in Key West, where she is diagnosed with tuberculosis.
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So not the case today, but because it's 1930, this is basically a fatal diagnosis.
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Sucks. So Helen and her family are in the hospital trying to process this news. And in the room walks 53-year-old radiology technician Carl Tanzler.
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So I'll give you a little background on old Carl. Those radiologists are real wild.
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They're wild men. Carl Tanzler was born George with no E. I'm sure that has a different pronunciation in German.
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But Jorg, maybe? Carl Tanzler but Carl with a K on February 8th 1877 in Dresden Germany
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he grows up there but just before World War II starts 1914 he emigrates to Australia
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and when the war finally does break out a couple years later the British military authorities
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in Australia place Tanzler along with others from foreign countries in an internment camp for
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quote unquote safekeeping Uh-huh. So he's eventually released, but he's no longer allowed to stay in Australia.
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So he ends up going back home to Germany. He finds that his mother is still alive after the war.
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Very exciting reunion for them. He stays with her for about three years. And then around 1920, he marries a woman named Doris Anna Schaefer, and they have two daughters together.
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So, of course, Germany is very unstable after World War I. they decide that they're going to leave Germany and emigrate to America.
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So Carl goes first, and then the wife and children follow after him. And they settle in, it's all one word, but it looks like it's pronounced Zephyrhills, Florida.
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But it also could be Zephyrhillis. No, it can't, because there's no other I. Let's just say Zephyrhills.
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Zephyrhills. And feel okay with it. Okay. They settled there in 1926. But in 1927, Carl leaves his family and moves to Key West and changes his name to Carl von Kossel and takes a job as a radiology technician at the United States Marine Hospital.
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So, boom, here we are, the cross section of these two lives. Later on, after all of this whole weird story breaks and he gets to tell his side of it, he claims that during his childhood, he was visited by the spirits of his ancestors who would show him the face of the woman who would be his one true love.
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And that woman was an exotic woman with long, dark hair. And he claims to have met that dream woman several times in his childhood teen years.
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like in person or in his mind like a ghostly experience almost yeah it's ghost stuff it
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sounds ghosty it is pretty ghost like so basically when he walks into uh helen's hospital room and
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sees her um on april 22nd 1930 he sees the face of the woman he was shown all throughout his
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childhood as the woman he that would be the love of his life and she's like i'm not feeling great
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She's like, I can't do this with you right now. Can I have no visitors right now, please?
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I don't know you. And the crucial element of this is that Helen is almost 22. And again, I'll say it.
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Carl is 53. He's 53. He looks kind of like Sigmund Freud, though. He looks like a man dressed up as an old man.
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Pointy, that weird pointy beard that they used to have. Yeah. And bald hair on the side.
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Spectacles. Old guy. Yeah. And it's also an old guy in the 30s, which looks like a hell of old guy for today. Yeah. He's wearing a girdle, you know, old guy. Drendel. Those dirndel? Because he's German. Yeah. Yeah. He's wearing those.
00:24:00
Those things that hold up his socks. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sock holders uppers. No, they're, um, yeah.
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What do they call them? Suspenders? Sock suspenders. Sock spenders? Yes. Oh, God.
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Okay. Okay. So he sees the diagnosis of TB and he sees the face of the woman of his dreams and then
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sees that she's dying of tuberculosis. So immediately, Carl's like, I have to do something.
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and he tells the family that he can treat her, that he has ways that they can't give up
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and he starts getting super involved. He's the radiologist though. That's usually the person that takes x-rays
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and stuff like that. He's not an internist. Yeah, he's not a lifesaver. So he claims he has vast medical knowledge,
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tries out a number of different treatments and medicines. They're all him kissing her.
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so this treatment it has to be given orally by me and you again i don't like it though you're
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you're like my dad's age you're like my dad's dad he works uh with her while she's in the hospital
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then she gets released from the hospital and he comes visit her to visit her home to say
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how about these other treatments all of these practices are outside the bounds of his job
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they're all against hospital protocol but because it's before the internet no one knows cares or
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pays attention i guess but of course helen's family and helen are desperate to cure her and
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save her from this horrible disease so they allow you know whatever help they can get which is
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another gross part of it because it's a true manipulation you're about to lose this dear
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family member so it's like and i decided i'm in love with her so let me into the house so i can
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help her and cure her. And what are they going to be like, no, we don't want your help?
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Right. They don't know if he can help them. They're like, please, anyone that can do anything.
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But he doesn't just come offering medical treatment. He also starts showering her with gifts, buying her clothing and jewelry.
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He tells her his name is Count von Kausel, that he is royalty, German royalty, which
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he's not. And he very soon professes his love to her. She does not reciprocate these feelings.
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When he asked her to marry him, she says no and points out that he is like 30 years older than her.
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Of course, like any romantic of the day, he asks again and again and again. So the family is like, guys, just fucking walk away.
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Walk away. And also the ghost face your dead aunt showed you. Yeah, that's not real.
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And it might look like a lot of other people. But yeah, it's not real. Long haired brunettes were not uncommon in the 30s.
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Maybe you had a fever as a child. And also, what maybe, like, what if something else happens?
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Yes. Be open to the other possibilities. You already married someone and had two children.
00:26:48
She didn't look close enough? She's like, I don't give a shit. Yeah. Yeah. So the family, of course, is slowly like, we got to get away from this guy.
00:26:57
Like, he won't leave us alone. Meanwhile, Helen is battling tuberculosis. This lasts for like a year.
00:27:03
And on October 25th, 1931, Helen dies from the disease in her parents' home. It's very sad.
00:27:10
So Carl shows up again. He insists upon paying for her entire funeral and including an above ground mausoleum.
00:27:20
And with Helen's family's permission, Helen's body is laid to rest in that mausoleum in the Key West Cemetery.
00:27:28
But what he doesn't tell Helen's family is that he has a key to the mausoleum. He swallows it.
00:27:36
It's mine forever. Yeah, so he's the only one with the key. And so he begins to visit Helen in the mausoleum.
00:27:44
I mean, Helen's dead body. Okay. As a Jew, tell me how mausoleums work. This is from what I've seen in an Ashley Judd movie, where she gets locked into one one time.
00:27:58
So as true or not true as that is. Is it like a coffin inside of a room? Yeah. It's not a coffin.
00:28:05
it's usually based on this Ashley Judd movie. I think, uh, is it along came a spider also starring?
00:28:12
Oh, that's a good one. That's not, yeah. She did a series of films with Morgan Freeman.
00:28:17
They were so good. God, they were all, every single one was great. Love it. Um, but she,
00:28:21
uh, goes in and it's like, they're made of marble. Like, you know, and they're little houses.
00:28:27
They usually have windows, I think at least one. And then inside it's either more marble,
00:28:33
like the body or the coffin or there's inside a little marble casing so you can't just get to it.
00:28:38
Okay, so it is like a coffin but it's not like as hardcore. It's not like Dracula's in there
00:28:45
waiting to get out with ease. Okay. As far as I understand. Okay, I see it. I can picture it.
00:28:51
Okay. We're basing this on, this is all Ashley Judd based. Go ahead, Stephen. It's not Along Came the Spider.
00:28:56
It's Buried Alive in a Grave. It's called that? No, it's not. Wait, it's not? This goes to,
00:29:02
maybe it's buried alive in a grave maybe she's been in multiple it might not be Along Came a Spider
00:29:08
but then it's a different one oh this is just a list of people of movies of people being
00:29:14
buried alive in graves it's Kiss the Girls it is Kiss the Girls Georgia it is Kiss the Girls
00:29:19
god I feel alive or is it Double Jeopardy oh she did Double Jeopardy too oh yeah
00:29:25
it said Ashley Jett is knocked out and put in a casket inside a mausoleum that's it
00:29:28
in Kiss the Girls and it turns out it's her fucking husband which one was it In Double Jeopardy?
00:29:33
Double Jeopardy, yeah. Oh, it is Double Jeopardy. Good job. No, I had the other one.
00:29:37
Along Came a Spider. We're all right. I think Along Came a Spider also might be the Monica Potter movie.
00:29:42
But who's Buried Alive in a Grave? Buried Alive in a Grave was just one of the movies that included someone being buried alive
00:29:48
in a grave. Right, Steven? Yeah. Okay, great. I got excited. You're going to have an Ashley Judd marathon now.
00:29:55
But was Ashley Judd in Buried Alive in a Grave No that not a movie That was just a list of movies where that happens Sorry why did that Oh that was the title of the list of people
00:30:06
Yes, yes, sorry. I'm so sorry. I thought it was the name of a movie. No, no. It has to be now.
00:30:14
Now I have to write that. Stephen, on a poster note, will you write, Karen, please write Buried Alive in a Grave.
00:30:19
Can we get a cartoon? It's going to be a rom-com. We've got to get a cartoon going.
00:30:22
And listen, Ashley Judd is buried alive in a grave. And. Okay, so he, it's such a crazy thing.
00:30:31
If you've ever been to a cemetery. Yeah. It's not a place you want to be at all.
00:30:37
Well, unless you're like a high school goth. Right. If you have clothes to smoke.
00:30:42
Yeah. Yes, you do. But it's not like it's a fun hang. And then I think Mom Williams.
00:30:47
I don't want to sound like it. I'm really dark and deep and interesting. But I like, I like them.
00:30:52
Okay, maybe I should specify. Mausoleums aren't the things you want to hang out in.
00:30:57
They're really cold. Okay. And they have a dead body in them. Yes, I don't want that.
00:31:00
And Carl, right? Okay, thanks. You're right, because the outside of it is nice. It's garden feel.
00:31:06
Look at the dates. You're like, oh, when did they die? But it's all... Yeah, okay.
00:31:10
No, you're right. Listen, I do not want to fight with you over the... Look, I do.
00:31:14
I want to fight about being buried alive in a grave. No. I'm going to write a song called Buried Alive in a Grave.
00:31:20
You're fucking better. He visits Helen every single night. Maybe that's if I had said that sentence first and then I started talking about how maybe you don't want if you were going to go to a cemetery, you want to save that for the weekends.
00:31:36
Yeah. Every night. No, no. OK, now how you feel about this? Inside the mausoleum, he has a telephone installed so that he can call her.
00:31:45
What year is this? It's 1931. Oh, he has a telephone installed. so he can talk to her when he's not there.
00:31:52
Ahoy hoy. What the fuck? Well, who's going to answer the phone? I mean, what level of pretending is he doing at home on his phone?
00:32:01
Yeah, she's not picking up. She must be busy. 555-DEAD. The nightly visits to Helen's mausoleum continue for two full years,
00:32:11
1931 to 1933. And according to Carl, Helen's spirit would appear when he would visit the mausoleum.
00:32:20
And either he, that spirit, or both of them would serenade Helen's body with her favorite Spanish songs.
00:32:29
That would be romantic if they had been in love with each other. Thank you. Great point.
00:32:34
You'd hope they would move on. Yeah, but even if they were the most in love with each other, even if it was Faith Hill and Tim McGraw, you don't want one person singing to a dead body every night.
00:32:47
I think someone would cut in and be like, I know you guys are super in love, but like, we got to like take you to therapy.
00:32:54
Yeah, you don't get to be in the mausoleum anymore. Yeah, you have to go. Two weeks.
00:32:58
Talk about your feelings. Yeah. And work some shit out. You don't need to get over it.
00:33:01
Not at all. It'll be looking for the rest of your life. We totally understand that.
00:33:03
Yeah, it never goes away. And that's fine. Yeah. But you need to find other ways.
00:33:08
What am I talking about? Other ways besides corpse singing. Yeah. To like honor and to honor their spirit.
00:33:16
Right. And also, if her spirit really did rise up out of her body to do something, it would go, hey, can you fucking leave me alone, please?
00:33:25
Sigmund Freud. Okay. So everyone is very creeped out by Carl's nightly visits, of course.
00:33:31
And so he gets fired from his job at the hospital. And so then he stops for a little while until one night in April of 1933.
00:33:42
And that night, Carl goes to Helen's mausoleum with a new plan. He's going to exhume her body and take it home with him.
00:33:50
So he does just that. He takes her body out of the mausoleum and he puts it on a child's toy wagon and carts it out of the cemetery in the dead of night.
00:34:01
Can you imagine if you're like going to visit your mom's grave and then you're like, hey, how are you?
00:34:05
Oh, shit. Who's that crone with the toy wagon? Can you cut that out? I didn't mean your mom's.
00:34:11
That sounded so insensitive. My mom. My mom was cremated and she's in the fucking living room.
00:34:21
Did I ever tell you that story? No. Is she really in the living room? Yes. But my dad didn't tell me or my sister that that's where he put her.
00:34:29
So we were all at dinner with like my cousins and everybody one night. And we were all talking about my people were telling stories about my mom.
00:34:36
And then I goes, well, she's right there. No, there's like a little box on top of like the China cabinet or whatever.
00:34:44
We're like, I look up and I'm like, really? Are you joking? Jim, you're supposed to tell your daughters that information.
00:34:51
I don't know. I guess it was private. Okay, so now it's going to get, like, none of this has been pleasant.
00:34:57
No. And none of this has been a good story. Now he's got her in his clutches. At his house.
00:35:03
Okay, so hold on. I'm going to show you a couple pictures. Yeah, please. Always.
00:35:07
Here's the mausoleum. Do not look underneath. Oh, well. Thank you. Oh, that's nice.
00:35:12
Tasteful. It looks like a little marble house. It looks like a little tugboat. And there's them.
00:35:19
So Carl's on the right, obviously. Wow. He looks a hundred. Yes. She looks lovely.
00:35:27
She's gorgeous. He looks like Albert Fish. Oh, he totally. Sigmund Freud and Albert Fish, who already look alike.
00:35:33
It's a mix of those fucking two. It's complete with the needles up your penis. It's crazy.
00:35:39
Okay. How is... Okay. Yeah. so everyone in helen's family is just like hey old guy drop it yeah she didn't love you in life
00:35:48
right and now you're you're nudging her and you're you're a creep in death back at his home
00:35:54
wait did you see this one no no wait is it this one it this one look at his house Describe what that house looks like to the people listening That a shantytown That a fucking middle of Joshua Tree board planks and a little shantytown
00:36:11
It looks like another house burned down, and he went and grabbed the planks that didn't burn and built his own house.
00:36:16
Yeah. It's not like he brought her back somewhere. Great. Put a hex on it. Yes. For fun.
00:36:21
So back at his shanty town, he does everything he can to preserve her body, obviously.
00:36:29
He goes in and he uses a piano wire to hold her bones together because her joints obviously are going to disintegrate or decompose.
00:36:42
He gives her glass eyes. And Charity has two years of decomp, right? Oh, yeah. Everything about this is so...
00:36:50
Disturbing. disturbing and like it just feels impossible and then on top of all of that it's always been
00:36:57
presented up until relatively recently as a love story yeah as an absolutely his side of the story
00:37:03
love story well it's funny because you telling me this i was like oh they were in love i thought like
00:37:07
in my mind they were married i haven't read it in so long because i keep seeing it yeah it's like
00:37:11
i thought they were married and he wouldn't let her go no right he was a stalker he was a stalker
00:37:15
A super weird stalker. But it'll make sense a little while later why it's come out that way.
00:37:21
So as her skin decomposes and is peeling off, he replaces it with silk cloth that's soaked in wax.
00:37:31
I guess mortician's wax. Oh, my God. He uses kind of a bunch of those processes.
00:37:38
He uses plaster of Paris to make the face when the skin on her face is peeling away.
00:37:46
Eventually, her face does just become a mask. And inside her body, he fills it with rags to keep the form.
00:37:57
How disrespectful of human life. Yeah, it's horrifying. He also, as her hair falls out, he makes a wig of the fallen out hair so he can put her hair back on her in wig form.
00:38:12
He douses her in perfume and oils to hide the smell of decay. And obviously he keeps her in his bed.
00:38:18
And unfortunately, this piece of information is not cool. He constructs a paper tube to put in her vagina so that he can have sex with the corpse.
00:38:28
Oh, no, no, no. I mean, that's why that's the point of all of this. Right. As time passes. And Carl, of course, he's forced to keep diligent care of a corpse that is now decomposing over years of time.
00:38:42
And so he has to he has to disinfect it and spray it with more and more perfume.
00:38:49
There's issues with slime and mold, different molds. So he his medical background helps him to recognize that and check it and keep it at bay and buy the right disinfectants.
00:39:01
But he's also continually going out and still buying her new clothes and jewelry and presents.
00:39:06
He actually puts a privacy curtain down the middle of his bed so that she can have some privacy when she wants to.
00:39:14
What the fuck? Yeah. This goes on for seven years. What the fuck? Like seven years after he took her?
00:39:21
Yes. Oh, my God. Seven years. Seven. So two in the mausoleum. Okay. And then seven at his house.
00:39:28
No. No. So eventually people start to ask questions. Why did Carl stop visiting the mausoleum all of a sudden?
00:39:36
Yeah. And why does he keep buying women's clothing and jewelry and perfume if he's this single man?
00:39:41
Can you imagine the first person who had dawned on what was happening and they were just like, oh, want to know who it was?
00:39:48
Yeah. A neighborhood boy who reported that he saw Carl dancing with what looked like a giant doll through his window.
00:39:58
And then needed all the therapy for the rest of his fucking... Just ran screaming into the sea.
00:40:07
I mean, holy. Oh, my God. Now I wish I'd saved this for Halloween because this is fucked.
00:40:15
Well, wait till you hear mine. Oh, okay. Keep going. It's the invention of the jack-o'-lantern.
00:40:20
Okay, so now it's October 1940. Okay. Everyone in town is talking about this. Yeah.
00:40:25
And, of course, Helen's family hears about it. And so her sister goes to Carl's house to confront him.
00:40:32
She says, look, we know you're not visiting the mausoleum anymore. What's going on?
00:40:37
Did you take her body? Whatever. And so he lets her in the house and lets her into his bedroom.
00:40:42
It's a movie. It's a fucking horror movie. And she walks in and sees this bizarre,
00:40:47
let me see, let me see, dressed up, masked corpse of her sister. No. Look at that.
00:40:57
Oh, honey. Doesn't that look like if you were driving to Las Vegas and you stopped at a tourist's area.
00:41:05
Yeah. And there was kind of like a bunch of mannequins that someone that worked there made.
00:41:10
And they were like, oh, you know, it's the gold rush or whatever. That's what this it has that feel to me.
00:41:16
But now I'm looking at the photograph of her side by side with this mannequin. And it's like the features are still the same.
00:41:22
So I was like wondering if her sister was like, what is that? But I think her sister would have known.
00:41:26
She would have immediately known. The guy that was stalking my sister as she died, as she died in the hospital and at her house, now has her in his house for years.
00:41:40
Dude. For years. That's the fucking most crazy thing I've ever seen. It's the most.
00:41:46
So she is, of course, blown out and freaked out beyond. So she just says, can you please put her body back in the mausoleum?
00:41:53
And he says no. Yeah. so she says okay I talk to you later I just going to cry about it It all Clarice Starling voice of may I use your phone It all that But she immediately calls the cops
00:42:06
Yeah, of course. So the police arrive to find the horror show of Carl's making, and they take Helen's body in to perform an autopsy.
00:42:15
They discover all the different mechanisms that Carl has used to preserve Helen and then have sex with her, which he would later deny.
00:42:24
and of course carl tanzler is immediately taken into custody and of course this story goes 1930s
00:42:32
viral it's it's all anyone's talking about it's in every newspaper it's all over the place of
00:42:38
course people are going crazy this is like this is the kind of story newspapers are looking for
00:42:44
yeah horror show first horror movie so after the autopsy helen's body is moved to the dean lopez
00:42:51
funeral home where it is put on public display don't do that she's already fucking had enough
00:42:57
i don't know if it was like i don't know who agreed to that i don't know how that part got
00:43:02
set up or if it was like some kind of a weird somebody came in it was like a money-making
00:43:06
scheme were they the ones who accidentally gave the fucking carl a key to her mausoleum because
00:43:11
well because he paid for it he got his own key oh remember he acted like it was a generous offer
00:43:16
her, but it was entirely self-serving. So, Helen's body is viewed by as many as 6,800 people.
00:43:25
What? In today's numbers? Oh my god, that's 2 trillion people. So eventually her body is
00:43:30
returned to Key West Cemetery. It's buried in an unmarked grave in a secret location so that Carl cannot
00:43:36
go near it in any way and Helen can finally rest in peace. Oh my god. After almost a decade. Okay, so
00:43:44
So Carl Tanzler stands trial on October 9th, 1940 for, quote, wantonly and maliciously destroying a grave and removing a body without authorization.
00:43:54
This trial is also widely publicized, obviously. It's the only thing everyone in Key West can talk about.
00:44:02
But strangely enough, many people stand in support of Carl Tanzler because they believe that his crimes are nothing more than the endearing acts of a hopeless romantic.
00:44:12
No, hopeless is correct. I hope. But I don't think. I will ask you at this moment in time, is there anything in this story that's any different than the story of Ed Gein?
00:44:24
Totally. Nothing at all. None. The creepy house. Yeah. The mask work. Yeah. The dead body and rearticulation of, I mean, everything about it.
00:44:34
It's just that because afterwards he was the one that was able to write the story about it.
00:44:39
Yeah. He put this romantic tinge on it and everyone's just like, well, he said it was all about love.
00:44:44
so good. Of course, in court, when he was asked if he had sex with this corpse, Carl Tanzler
00:44:50
answers no. And then the entire courtroom went, sure, Jan. Which is weird because the
00:44:58
Brady Bunch wouldn't be out for years and years. Somehow now this gets weirder. During
00:45:04
the trial, Carl tells the court that he had built and planned to use an airship to send
00:45:11
Helen high into the stratosphere. An airship. An airship. So that radiation from outer space
00:45:16
could penetrate her tissues and restore life to her somnolent form. Uh oh. Someone is...
00:45:26
I mean... And here's that airship. He built it himself. Oh, that's what that is? I saw it in the
00:45:30
printer. I think it's right there? God damn it. Me and my papers. I like to put everything... Oh, here it is.
00:45:37
There it is. You just spread all your papers out. I really like to spread it all out.
00:45:40
He fucking built it. He built that thing. Elena's airship. It basically looks like someone who saw an airplane once and then was given, again, a pile of burnt wood.
00:45:53
It's a shantytown airship. I like that he recycles. I think that's nice. Yeah. But this airship is the work of a madman.
00:46:00
So despite clear evidence of Carl Tanzler's guilt and questionable mental state, he is acquitted for his plan.
00:46:08
What? This as the statute of limitations had expired. Not for her being dead, you fucking assholes.
00:46:16
I mean, okay. It's like, just keep her long enough and you won't get in trouble for it anymore.
00:46:21
Right. How about the statute of limitations ended when he was forced to give her back, not when he kidnapped her?
00:46:28
How about that? I see. You know what I mean? I mean, you'd like it to be like that.
00:46:32
I would like the statute of limitations to go fuck itself completely. I would like to know what weird corpse fuckers made those laws in the first place.
00:46:40
It was like not a big deal back in 1856 or whenever that was made. NBD, the Donner Party, it just happened.
00:46:46
Yeah, it's fine. He was in love. So crazy. Oh my God. Okay, so when he's acquitted, he has the giant brass balls to actually ask the court if he can have Helen's body back.
00:46:58
Oh. Yes. This is how much he's learned the error of his way. Wow. And they were like, never mind.
00:47:05
We take that back. We take that back. For real. The judge was like, shit, I already hit my gavel.
00:47:09
Or I would have you killed. So the judge, of course, says, no, Carl. Yeah. Go home.
00:47:16
There's a debate as to whether or not Carl could be rightfully charged with necrophilia.
00:47:22
But even though the paper tube had been found inside Helen's body, there was no concrete evidence that Carl had actually had sex with that body.
00:47:32
Bullshit. I mean, right. So in 1944, after the trial, Carl moves to Pasco County, Florida, to be near his former
00:47:41
wife. She's like, I'm good. No, no, no. Doris. No. She actually cares for him for the rest of his life.
00:47:50
No. Come on, Doris. She's like, I'm stuffing your fucking ass with rags, bitch. See how you like it.
00:47:56
She's quote unquote taking care of him. Right. So Carl Tanzler runs. Writes his autobiography.
00:48:01
And in 1947, a pulp magazine called Fantastic Adventures publishes it. In his version of the story, Helen loved him back.
00:48:10
Her family was, quote unquote, scared of science and wanted to keep them apart and wouldn't let him treat her.
00:48:18
And it was, you know, against their love. They ever proved that he could help her with TB, with tuberculosis.
00:48:26
No. Like, I could have done it, but they didn't want me to. Yeah. What would you have done?
00:48:31
Well, have you ever heard of the airplane treatment where I build an airplane out of wood and then you go in it?
00:48:39
Most of Helen's family had passed away by this time when the story came out. So there was no one there to go, hey, yes, absolutely not.
00:48:47
Here's our side of the story. This is crazy. He's a stalker. We had to move a town away to get away from this guy.
00:48:54
so that romantic aspect that that bent that he put on it is what has stayed with the story the
00:49:00
entire time but carl's obsession with helen did not end there oh man alone in his new home carl
00:49:06
constructs a life-size effigy of helen which he keeps for the rest of his days and on july 3rd 1952
00:49:17
when Carl dies at the age of 75, he is in the arms of his light-sized Helen effigy doll.
00:49:27
Oh, my God. Some people suspect that Carl had managed to swap out that effigy for Helen's real body,
00:49:36
and that the doll he passed away beside was actually her real corpse, but this was never substantiated.
00:49:43
Holy shit. Yes, and if you want to read more about, because there's so many things I didn't get to.
00:49:47
There's a whole thing about that airplane. Really? Yes. He lived in it for a while.
00:49:52
There's so much other stuff. If you want to read more about this story, like I do,
00:49:56
and I'm going to, get the book Undying Love by Ben Harrison. It tells the full entire story.
00:50:03
And that is the story of Carl Tanzler's Corpse Bride. Great job on a fucked up story that we just haven't done.
00:50:11
Right? But you did it. It was a great... I feel like I looked at the story when we did our first shows in Florida.
00:50:16
Yeah. But then I was kind of, I don't know. At the time, maybe there were so many choices.
00:50:21
I picked something else. That story had everything. That story had everything. That was great.
00:50:28
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i just realized in my research and stuff that the victim in the story that i just read name was elena
00:53:02
somewhere I read that her family called her Helen and maybe that was her like Americanized name
00:53:08
because the family came from Cuba and it's that thing of like people pick their American names to blend in
00:53:14
or whatever so I just want to say that her name was Elena originally but then I read that people
00:53:22
called her Helen but there's a good chance people called her Elena also that felt like a weird whitewash moment
00:53:28
so I just want to call that out and then everybody else can call me out to. Let's all do it together.
00:53:35
Twitter preference, right? Call me out on Ello. That's an app I just downloaded. Really? No.
00:53:43
Don't go over Ello? No. It came and went, it was supposed to be the new Twitter like, what, four years ago?
00:53:48
Five years ago? Ello? No. People are like, I'm going over to Ello. And everyone's
00:53:52
like, go ahead. We're addicted to this poisonous river Yeah Okay But wait But wait there more Here the weird thing What You did the same story
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No. I'm doing stories of people being accidentally buried alive. No, you're not.
00:54:12
Swear to fucking God. What? How crazy is it? That's why I was so freaked out. We should have saved this for Halloween.
00:54:20
Do you think after a while we have the same brain? Yeah. It's like we, these won't be, this is just how it's going to be where it's like, well,
00:54:29
then I also, well, I really love that we opened this up a little, this new after the break
00:54:33
to like weird tales and stuff that's outside the realm of just straight up murder.
00:54:39
This is literally buried alive in a grave. How fucking crazy. I love it. Okay. So sorry, this whole time you've just been sitting over there with your little sit, that's
00:54:47
how you get that smile on your face. I was like, this is unbelievable. Okay. I specifically got this when I was just searching for weird shit and found a Ranker article called Scary Stories of People Who Are Buried Alive.
00:55:01
I was like, great, I'm doing this. God bless you, Ranker. Also got a story from Reuters about a dead man who wakes up under the autopsy knife.
00:55:09
Spoiler alert. Autopsy. Okay. Yeah. No, we'll get there. We'll get there. History Collection, Amusing Planet, PopSci.com, AllThat'sInteresting.com, Wikipedia, of course.
00:55:21
Of course. So Wikipedia and then research was from Lily Bellinghausen, who's been helping me with research.
00:55:27
God bless. Amen. A fucking man. All right. So, Karen. Yes. Cases of being buried alive have been recorded as far back as the 14th century.
00:55:37
Jesus. And I don't think they recorded shit before that. Yeah, there was no ability to record.
00:55:42
Ink got invented right around that same time. They had a, what is the thing we recorded on the beginning of this podcast when we first started?
00:55:49
Zoom. They didn't have Zooms before the 1400s, so it wasn't recorded. In 1308. It took too long to chisel it into a big piece of stone.
00:55:57
Right. Like, forget it. And then you got to have the headphones so you look like Stephen, and they have the mustache,
00:56:01
and that takes forever. So, in 1308, the vault of Franciscan philosopher John Dunn's SCOTUS is open, and his body is
00:56:09
reportedly found outside of his coffin with bloodied hands. No. A lot of bloodied hands and nails in this story.
00:56:16
I bet. Just want to let everyone know. Of all the things I hate, and there are many things I hate about being buried alive, the smallness of waking up in a casket, the smallness of the space that you then have to suffer in.
00:56:28
Yeah. I think that's the fear that everyone has. Like when I was reading through this and you'll hear like the like panic that everyone has about the idea of being buried alive, I think has a lot to do with the idea that you're fucking stuck.
00:56:39
Stuck. Once you're awake. In a tiny place. And that scratching your way out is pretty much your only hope.
00:56:45
Yeah. Horrifying. Here we go. Great. Happy Halloween. Well, this story is considered a myth.
00:56:52
The fear of being buried alive became a pandemic during the Victorian era. Yes. Those fucking crazy Victorians.
00:56:58
Everything great and the creepiest of all creepy things happened during that. Fogs that would come upon the city.
00:57:05
Fogs and bustles. And pandemics. Pandemics and lots of child death. Right. Listen to this podcast will kill you for more information.
00:57:14
Yes. In the 18th and 19th centuries, there's widespread bacterial infections and cholera outbreaks.
00:57:20
And in addition to the popular literature like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein and Edgar Allan Poe's 1844 premature burial, there's also reports from doctors about people supposedly coming back from the dead.
00:57:32
Tapophobia, I think, is the fear of being buried alive. And that spreads across Europe and the US and leads to the invention.
00:57:40
And I've always been obsessed with this idea. Safety coffins. Love it. Okay. Safety coffins or security coffins are a coffin fitted with a mechanism to prevent premature burial or allow the occupant to signal that they have been buried alive.
00:57:53
Yeah. A large number of designs for safety coffins were patented during the 18th and 19th centuries.
00:57:59
And variations on the idea are still available today. Is that true? I guess. That's what Lily said it is. And I believe her.
00:58:06
I believe Lily. You know, what's funny is that tapophobia is the name for the fear of being buried alive.
00:58:10
I would call it being a human being. Yeah, it's not claustrophobia. It's not tapophobia.
00:58:17
It's just if you are alive now, you have that fear. You're like, guess what would suck?
00:58:22
Peeing my pants, being buried alive. And then what's another one? Choking. Biting into an old sandwich.
00:58:30
Ew, yeah, exactly. Eating a salad and biting a cockroach at the bottom of it. At the bottom once you're all done.
00:58:36
A live cockroach. A live cockroach. First of all, who eats the entire salad? Usually you only get about two thirds of the way down.
00:58:43
This time you finished your salad. And writers are like, ooh, one last crouton. No.
00:58:48
No, it isn't. Oh, God. I want to barf. Okay. The most popular designs use some type of device for communication to the outside world,
00:58:58
like a cord attached to a bell that the buried person could just ring in case they woke up.
00:59:05
That idea, I think you talked about this in another live show one time. Yes. Yes.
00:59:10
Because we... I get to what I talked about. Oh, okay. Sorry. But I just want to say that it's like a person who makes set, who makes sets and props for a horrible play.
00:59:21
Yeah. Was like, what would be the creepiest thing this coffin could do? Yeah. Ring.
00:59:28
It's so awful. You're the grave digger and you're standing in the cemetery in the middle of the early morning.
00:59:35
Whistling. What's the creepiest thing you could hear? How about a bell? Ding, ding, ding, ding.
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Also, how do those bells not go off when just the wind? Oh, sorry, sorry. No, no, no.
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You're right. And in addition to that, shit, I should have let you finish. No, no, no.
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Okay, so. I should let you actually tell your story instead of guessing. That not this podcast Okay you right Remember we are buried alive in a grave That true Other variations of the bell include flags and pyrotechnics What I don know That all Lily fucking told me
01:00:06
And I was like, this could be a whole episode of its own. You wake up in your coffin and a lady goes off above four.
01:00:12
And then a firework show. And then the gravedigger there's like, ooh, ah, and then walks away.
01:00:17
Yeah. It doesn't help you. Some burial designs include ladders, escape hatches, and even feeding tubes, but most of them lacked a method to provide air.
01:00:28
Remember air? Yeah. Remember air? Also, yeah, you're buried alive. You don't want a snack.
01:00:37
No. Don't worry about the feeding tube. Yeah, you don't want to live longer. Send me down an apple, would you?
01:00:44
No. Or just a mush apple. Okay. Applesauce. Is that what you mean? Wait, they invented a thing?
01:00:51
Yes. That's just a mushed apple? You don't just have to mush your apples anymore.
01:00:54
Wait, what? Yeah. The time and expense I have been going to. There's a family, name a mot, and they figured out how to mush up your favorite apples.
01:01:02
God bless them. Amen. Amen. In 1791, Robert Robinson, I doubt that, a man from Manchester, creates the first safety coffin prototype.
01:01:12
he was laid to rest in a mausoleum fitted with a special door that could be opened from the outside
01:01:18
by the watchman on duty so inside his would be his coffin and there'd be a removable glass panel
01:01:23
and he instructed his family to periodically check on the glass inserted in the coffin
01:01:28
basically to see if he was breathing if there was condensation we will no dad will be there every
01:01:33
day you can you imagine what his like living life was like it was very stressful for all the family
01:01:39
Such a pain in the ass. Am I dead? Did I die? No, you're sitting here at dinner.
01:01:45
It's fine. Yes, we can. Can you stop breathing in my face? You were breathing. Yes, you were breathing.
01:01:50
The first true recorded safety coffin was made on the orders of Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick
01:01:55
before his death in 1792. He had a window installed to allow light in, an air tube that provided the supply of fresh air.
01:02:03
and instead of having the lid nailed down, he had a lock fitted and in a pocket of his shroud
01:02:10
when he was buried in, he had the keys for them. Perfect. You got it. Figured it out.
01:02:15
And a really cute key chain. Yeah. With like dolphin magic. Yeah. That said, here you go.
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Keep JK living. And when you turn it this way, the dolphin has a bathing suit on.
01:02:25
When you turn it that way, the dolphin's bathing suit comes off. The dolphin has a humongous erect penis
01:02:29
and it attacks you because dolphins are rapists. Does the penis have a bathing suit on it?
01:02:36
And it's bathing suit after a bathing suit falls off. The pen is very thick. It's complicated.
01:02:43
It was actually the pen that killed him. It crushed him to death. He invented it.
01:02:47
It crushed him. What? Okay. So, a German priest named P.J. Pessler suggested in 1798 that all coffins have a tube inserted
01:02:56
so that a cord could run to the church bells. and if an individual had what's that you say?
01:03:03
an individual had been buried I've only had one can of wine I swear to God why are there two sitting there?
01:03:09
because I'm drinking the other one it just hasn't been drank yet girl girl I've been my head
01:03:16
check my wine um da da da da da okay they could draw attention to themselves by ringing the bell inside
01:03:23
they'd be like ding ding ding ding ding you're ringing the church bells now you want the whole town to come
01:03:27
I guess so yeah so this led to signaling systems that came around but unfortunately the coffins oh wait so then his
01:03:36
his bro a colleague of his was like well we should put trumpet like tubes instead so a trumpet instead
01:03:41
of bells yes which is more annoying and more haunting um each day the local priest i'm alive
01:03:48
each day the local priest could check the state of oh okay wait okay the other thing is that they
01:03:55
would have a small trumpet like tube attached and the point of that is not so you can blow your
01:03:59
fucking trumpet when you realize you've been buried alive okay but so that a local priest
01:04:04
would go to the cemetery and smell each of the trumpet funnels and make sure that the that there
01:04:12
was decomposition happening that the smell of the odors emanating from the tube would be that of
01:04:18
decomp not of a live person just shitting their pants or whatever the priests are like have we not
01:04:22
given up enough by never marrying, taking a vow of poverty. I wrote, above my pay grade. They don't get paid though, do they?
01:04:31
Well, I don't know. They get paid by going straight to heaven. That's right. First in line, bitches. Unless
01:04:38
uh oh, it's you or me. Dr. Adolf Gutzmuth was buried alive several times to demonstrate
01:04:46
a safety coffin of his design and in 1822 he stayed underground for several hours and ate a whole meal.
01:04:53
What? Which I'm like, whatever. What's this eating in the coffin situation? Delivered to him through the coffin's feeding tube.
01:04:59
No, you people are fools. Get up and go to a restaurant. It's a really lovely experience.
01:05:04
So nice. In 1829, Dr. Johann Gottfried Taburger, okay, created a more elaborate bell signaling system.
01:05:14
So bells housed above ground connected to strings attached to the body's head, head, only one, hands and feet, and it prevented rainwater from going into the tube, blah, blah,
01:05:27
blah. If the bell rang, the cemetery watchman would insert a tube into the coffin and pump
01:05:31
air in using bellows until the casket could be dug up so they'd have fresh air. That's the most, I like that one the best so far.
01:05:38
Here's the problem. And this is the anecdote I must have fucking told because it's one of my
01:05:42
absolute favorites that I must have read as a child and love so much. Well, when a corpse is
01:05:47
decomposing and swelling and losing mass and all this shit, everything moves. And so the bells would start going off Oh that right Ding ding ding ding ding Nope it not someone alive And so like all the bells going off at once Can you imagine The first time that happened whoever was nearby died of a heart attack
01:06:07
There's no way they didn't. That's right. This is insanity. Uh-huh. So they would all activate the bell system, which led to false positives.
01:06:15
The worst false positive in the world. Well. I don't know. I can think of a couple.
01:06:22
Not really. um franz vester's 1868 burial case overcame this problem by adding a tube through which the corpse
01:06:29
the face of the corpse could be viewed oh i remember that one really yeah if the buried
01:06:34
person woke up they could ring the bell like they wanted to um and then the watchman could
01:06:38
check to see if the person had actually returned to life or was just movement of the corpse so that
01:06:42
was basically the uh the 2.0 version once they realized the bells were ringing then they're like
01:06:47
okay well then go look at it yeah enough priests had quit because they're like i'm not sniffing
01:06:51
these fucking tubes anymore. Not going to smell those dead bodies anymore. Because they were always smelling a dead body.
01:06:57
There was no time they weren't. Right, because it's still going to pass. In 1995,
01:07:04
a modern safety coffin was patented by Fabrizio Caselli. His design included an emergency alarm,
01:07:13
intercom system, a flashlight, a breathing apparatus, and both a heart monitor and stimulator.
01:07:19
A corkscrew and a nail file. Despite the fear of burial while still alive, there's no documented cases of anybody being
01:07:28
saved by a safety cop. Oh, man, what a great life lesson. They just should keep inventing them.
01:07:35
They've gotten better and better. I mean, it's like, I have this fear. And instead of dealing
01:07:40
with the fear that I have, I'm going to continually invent things to make me feel like anything can be
01:07:46
done if a bad thing happens yeah or maybe like add one more check to the at the morgue to just
01:07:53
double check that the person's dead how about you stab them right in one of the air would that wake
01:07:58
you up that would wake you right up a poke in the ear maybe ow with a feather or just how much
01:08:04
smelling salts i guess it doesn't have to be violent tickle a tickle i'd wake up okay but
01:08:11
the practice of modern day embalming has, for the most part, eliminated the fear of premature
01:08:16
burial. That's pretty much going to solve it. Thanks. Because no one has ever survived that
01:08:22
process once completed. Oh, I wonder how many people got embalmed when they were still alive.
01:08:26
You're like, well, I still have my spleen. Yeah. Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring. That's all I need.
01:08:31
It's been thought that phrases like saved by the bell, dead ringer and graveyard shift come from
01:08:37
the use of safety coftains. Why do I keep doing that? Coftains? Uh-huh. Like you're thinking of caftans.
01:08:43
Or attic, an attic. Yeah. In the Victorian era, but these have been dispelled as an urban myth
01:08:49
attributed to a linguistic email hoax that was blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Said that saved by the bell
01:08:55
is actually from boxing. So shut up. But that's interesting because it really does apply.
01:09:02
But it does sound like Dead Ringer could be from that. Yeah. Yeah, I would love to be on any kind of a hoax email chain involving linguists.
01:09:11
Remember all those email chains that used to be a thing? Send this to five people or you're going to get smushed.
01:09:18
Also, there was one where it was like, fill out this thing. Yeah. Did you ever do that one where it was like, you basically, you get the name of a person,
01:09:25
you fill out all these things about them and then send it to them and then they do it for somebody else?
01:09:29
No. We did it in our family. I can't really explain that process logically. But basically, all my cousins and all these people did it.
01:09:40
And then it came around. And my dad sent me mine. And the one thing he was like, you had to say nice things about these people and what they're like and whatever.
01:09:50
And I think he said my best attribute. And he said smart. He just put smart. Does he hate you?
01:09:57
He does a lot. But it was really exciting. Because all my life, he'd always been like, hey, easy, smart ass.
01:10:04
It was always kind of like a negative. And suddenly I was like, you liked it this whole time.
01:10:08
You were egging me on. He was like, not trying to get you to stop. That's right.
01:10:13
That's sweet. Do you still have it? The email? I bet you could find it. I printed it up.
01:10:17
I put it in a frame. Okay. Okay. So here's some cases of people being buried alive.
01:10:26
Ready? I am. In November, 1656. Oh, wait. So it really did happen. It's just that they weren't saved by those coffins.
01:10:33
Oh, yeah. Spoiler alert. shit. But these are also like they didn't these people weren't buried in these coffins
01:10:38
either but these are people who were you'll find out. Okay. Here we go. In November 1656 Alice
01:10:44
Davies is married to William Blunder of the Basking of Baxing Stoke and then from a well
01:10:50
established local family. They're like they're like nobles and shit like that. Sure. What country does it say?
01:10:56
England probably. Yes probably. Okay. William Blunder was a malt maker and his wife quote
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had accustomed herself to many times to drink brandy. So she drank a lot. She had accustomed herself to it.
01:11:09
Yeah, me too. One evening she drank a large quantity of puppy water and fell into a deep sleep that
01:11:14
no one could wake her from. Opium. Oh, right. Right? Oh, yeah. Just like Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz.
01:11:21
It was concluded that she had died and William, being the amazing, sweet, wonderful husband
01:11:26
he is, was like, hey, I have to go to London really quick. Keep her body there. I swear I'll come right back for the funeral.
01:11:33
What was he doing? I don't know but it was really important I guess um but her her family was like fuck that shit it's
01:11:41
hot out we're not leaving her body out to rot like like I got tickets to go see Big Ben I'm stoked
01:11:47
I'm gonna go see the Book of Mormon and I can't or the new fleabag screen live show yes um so they
01:11:55
were like fuck that shit we're gonna bury her so then a few days after the burial a few of
01:12:00
Some boys who had been playing nearby reported hearing a voice from the grave. They didn't think it was real, but the grave was open and her body was found.
01:12:10
It looked like she was beaten, but in actuality, it was injuries inflicted by herself on her body in her confinement.
01:12:18
Yeah. So being unable to detect any continuing signs of life, those present at the scene,
01:12:25
they put Alice back in the grave overnight and the coroner summoned the next day.
01:12:29
and they had found that she tore off a great part of her winding sheet, scratched herself in several places,
01:12:36
beaten her mouth so long it was filled with blood, and she was now definitely dead.
01:12:42
Sorry, are you saying she was buried alive twice? The second time she was dead. Great.
01:12:48
That's a huge relief to me. I think and hope. I think they would have left her out just to make sure, you know?
01:12:53
You would hope that they would make double sure, but, you know, most of the stories on the show don't go that well.
01:12:58
Yeah. Exactly. No one's convicted or like gets in trouble for this. Although the town had a considerable fine that they had to pay because of this.
01:13:08
The whole town. I guess the whole town. We're all going down together. Yeah, like this sucks on all of our parts.
01:13:13
Yeah. So in 1880, here's another one. 1884, Kentucky's Hickman Courier reported that a young woman by the name of Anna Hochwald is dressing for her brother's wedding.
01:13:24
She sits down to rest in the kitchen, as we all do. And then someone checks on her and she's just laying there with her head against the wall and appears lifeless.
01:13:33
Medical aid arrives and the doctor thought she was dead. He couldn't revive her.
01:13:38
And she had a nervous nature. And the fact that she suffered from heart palpitations was the cause of death, they said.
01:13:45
But Anna's friends were like, this doesn't seem fucking real. And her ears look pink still, her friend said.
01:13:51
So they figured blood was still flowing through them. Her friends must have just gotten drunk at the fucking funeral, though, because they didn't tell her family about this and their assumption until after she's buried.
01:14:03
Great friends. No. You know what I was thinking? Remember when her ears were pink?
01:14:08
I just think she's still alive. Her parents are like, what the fuck? They dig her back up and they find Anna's body.
01:14:16
She's lying on her side. Her fingers are not almost to the bone. Yeah. And her hair is torn out by the handful.
01:14:23
Of course. I mean, all bets are off. No. You wake up in that situation. You're like, can I just kill me?
01:14:31
Yeah. Yeah. In 1889, a woman named Octavia Smith married a wealthy Kentuckian named James Hatcher.
01:14:39
They had a son named Jacob, but the infant mortality rate was so high back then that Jacob died in infancy.
01:14:47
And Octavia goes into a deep depression. She's bedridden, and she shows signs of a mysterious illness.
01:14:53
And eventually, she enters a coma-like state, and no one can wake her up. She's pronounced dead in May of 1891, just four months after her infant son died.
01:15:04
It was super hot that year, so Octavia's buried quickly, and embalming wasn't a common practice yet.
01:15:09
But a few days later, other people in the town began falling into a similar coma-like state that she had,
01:15:16
with shallow breathing patterns and they wake up a few days later though. They discover it is an illness
01:15:21
caused by the bite of the set sea fly. Tee-tee. Thank you. Tee-tee fly. Fearing that she had been buried alive,
01:15:29
her husband James panics, has her exhumed and she had been buried alive. Oh. But James was too late.
01:15:38
Oh no. Her coffin was airtight. He found the coffin lining had been shredded and Octavia's fingernails were bloody.
01:15:45
Yes, yes. So many bloody fingernails. And her face was frozen in a shriek of terror.
01:15:51
Yes, I believe that. James is traumatized as fuck. I mean, he buries his wife, erects a lifelike monument of her that sits in the cemetery that she's still buried in.
01:16:02
I know. Does it say where? I think Kentucky was where they're from. Kentucky. Yeah.
01:16:09
I mean, there's a mausoleum you want to go visit. Oh, my God. Midnight on Halloween.
01:16:13
No. Should we do it? Let's record. Let's record on Halloween from a fucking cemetery.
01:16:18
Inside a mausoleum. Why no? As many people as can fit. So it'll be like an 11 person live show.
01:16:24
And we'll all be screaming at the top of our lungs the entire time. What was that?
01:16:28
Okay. Eleanor Markham is an American woman who became one of the most prominent cases of averted premature burial.
01:16:36
Oh, my God. According to news reports, 22 year old Markham, Eleanor Markham, was pronounced dead in Sprankers, New York.
01:16:46
Which is like, what? How have I not known about that? You know what I would love?
01:16:51
If Lily misspelled Yonkers. Sprankers. If Sprankers is real, we're doing an only Sprankers hometown mini episode next week.
01:17:05
Sprankers. Stephen, do you mind Wikipedia? He's already doing it. When George is done,
01:17:12
we can do a quick update on what Sprankers is all about. Oh my god, it's real. Really, you're off the hook. Yeah, Sprankers is a
01:17:20
hamlet in the town of Root, Montgomery, New York. Wow, Sprankers. Notable people. George A.
01:17:28
Mitchell, founder of Cadillac. It's from Sprankers? From Sprankers. And that's why every
01:17:34
Cadillac has the trademarked Sprankers handle on the driver's phone. Please send us Sprankers hometown and put
01:17:42
in the subject line sprankers hometown please write sprankers bitch please just keep in the
01:17:47
subject please let us keep saying the word sprankers it our favorite word wow okay uh this is july 8th 1894 how am i 50 and i never heard the town name of Sprankers New York They fiercely private I so tired of people keeping things from me
01:18:07
It does feel like people are always keeping shit from us. It feels like people are talking behind our back about Sprankers.
01:18:14
Like everyone knows about us and they refuse to tell us. Should we go to Sprankers?
01:18:17
This is the only podcast that doesn't know about Sprankers. It's so sad when they talk and they don't know about Sprankers.
01:18:23
And they don't mention Sprankers. every five minutes. Okay. She's dead, they say.
01:18:28
It's warm. They're going to bury her quickly. Her coffin is closed and fastened after the family members say goodbye
01:18:34
in the church and on the way to the graveyard, the hearse is stopped after a noise is heard
01:18:40
coming from the coffin. Oh, thank God. She doesn't go underground. No. The lid is unfastened
01:18:45
and she says, you're burying me alive. I love her. I'm in Sprankers and you're burying me alive. Holy sprankers,
01:18:55
you're going to bury me alive? You fucking sprankers. And then the doctor who had fucking done this was like,
01:19:03
hush, child, you're alright. It's a mistake easily rectified. Yeah, now, bro. Step off,
01:19:09
bitch. She says that soon after she had fainted, which is when they thought she was dead, she had
01:19:15
recovered after being administered some stimulants. Cocaine! Yes, cocaine for their every
01:19:21
ailment. Except for getting alive um she said that she had been conscious the entire time of the preparations for burial
01:19:28
but she couldn't cry out and she finally she thought she's going to be buried alive like the
01:19:33
whole way and finally she was like move your fucking body sprankers and she she was able to
01:19:37
hit you know make a noise that's the worst thing yeah knowing you're gonna be oh my god yes i'm not
01:19:44
i don't think i usually have these feelings when we talk about terrible terrible things to each other
01:19:50
This one's getting to me. I do not like it. Well, guess what? You're going to be buried alive tonight.
01:19:57
I will sprank you so hard. Her case is among those included in the book, Premature Burial and How It May Be Prevented by William Tebb and Edward Vollum.
01:20:11
Tebb and Vollum. Tebb and Vollum. They wrote the best books. Yeah. So another one is in 1937, a 19-year-old from France named Angelo Hayes.
01:20:20
He goes for a fucking motorcycle ride, hits a fucking wall, fucking head first into a brick wall.
01:20:27
His head is mangled. He has no pulse. He's so terrible to look at that they're like, to his family, you can't see him.
01:20:34
Yeah. You know, it just sucks. He's declared dead and buried three days later. Oh, no.
01:20:39
But the insurance company was like, we don't buy it. Exhume the body. Because they're insurance companies.
01:20:47
They're like, we won't pay. Yeah, until we see. they discover that his body is still warm no and in the aftermath of the accident his body
01:20:56
had put him into a deep coma yes and didn't need a lot of oxygen so he's still fucking alive
01:21:02
after being buried alive he received proper medical care and went on to make a full recovery
01:21:07
no away what's his name angelo angelo hayes wow angelo um he uh he invented a type of security
01:21:17
koften after this why do i keep saying koften you're you're saying caftan with a weird accent
01:21:24
i am just like dying to be in my caftan or koften koften he tours across france showing off his
01:21:30
his security coffin and uh in it is a small oven a refrigerator and a hi-fi cassette player no yeah
01:21:38
that's what it says so this was like in the 60s like of later no this was in the in 37
01:21:46
1937. Did you say cassette player? Did I hear that wrong? Is that what I meant? Cassette player.
01:21:54
Hi-fi cassette player. Well, those are in quotes, so I didn't, yeah. Lily is quoting herself now.
01:22:00
It's so funny. I'm questioning everything. You already said Lily's name, and I'm like, is that this?
01:22:05
How the fuck would I know? Lily's like, record can't be right. She's like 22, too, so she wouldn't know.
01:22:13
She's like, cassettes are from 1843, right? They're vintage. Okay. In 2007, a Venezuelan man named Carlos Camejo, he's 33.
01:22:23
He's declared dead after an accident, a highway accident, taken to the morgue. Examiners begin their autopsy.
01:22:31
Oh. Then he starts bleeding, which, guess what, guys? Dead bodies don't bleed. Yeah.
01:22:37
Right? That's day one of medical school. Yeah. Remember that. Day one of autopsy school.
01:22:41
he starts bleeding and then he wakes up and he's in excruciating pain and the autopsy yeah i bet
01:22:49
because he's still alive and that table's so cold oh god they quickly stitch him up
01:22:54
and his grieving wife had just turned up to id him and then finds him in the hallway alive
01:23:01
which is so sweet oh that's yeah good for her right then as recently as 2014 so sweet like to
01:23:09
be so bummed to be like i have to do this oh you're alive oh you have that huge scar see that's a
01:23:14
romance story not your fucking that's right shitty not you did great i didn't mean you
01:23:19
um there was also in 2014 a case of a woman being buried alive in greece she had succumbed to cancer
01:23:28
and her children heard her screams coming from her grave no not long after burial she's exhumed
01:23:33
and it was discovered that she actually died of cardiac arrest after she was buried.
01:23:38
No. I know. Did you say 2014? Yeah, I did. Oh, man. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Promise.
01:23:46
Never mind. I don't want to jinx. I will. I'll come and check your grave. Thank you.
01:23:50
And sniff your trumpet or whatever it was. Poke me with a safety pin or something I make sure that the fireworks haven gone off Thank you Yeah no problem Most of these modern cases are because of unforeseen circumstances and just plain bad luck
01:24:07
The possibility of being buried alive today is virtually impossible because of embalming.
01:24:18
However, 2014 was five years ago. I know, but it's Greece. I'm just kidding. I don't know what that means.
01:24:23
Some scientists say that you can survive up to 36 hours if you've been buried alive with the oxygen.
01:24:30
So keep knocking. Keep knocking. Keep knocking. Shallow breaths. Make sure you get buried with tasty cakes in your pocket or something.
01:24:39
That's why I always have a protein bar. That's right. And a cell phone. Yeah. Right?
01:24:42
It all depends on how much air is in the coffin. And those are stories of buried alive in a grave.
01:24:48
Unbelievable. In a cough-ton. In a cough-ton. Oh, and a coffin and a coftan. I love that because I really was getting upset.
01:24:58
Really getting upset. You know the Ryan Reynolds movie where he is buried alive?
01:25:02
No. And it's him and a lighter. It's very frustrating. It's not the whole movie, but it's a lot of the movie.
01:25:08
It's called Buried Alive in a Coffin. In a grave. In a grave. In a grave. In a grave.
01:25:12
Wow, that was amazing. Well, welcome to basically fall. We're welcoming in fall.
01:25:20
That's what we're doing. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. It's exciting. Get your shirts with bats on them.
01:25:25
Yeah. We're get ready to transition out of summertime. What are you going to be for Halloween this year?
01:25:32
I'm probably going to be Buried Alive in a Grave, I think. The film. The lead in the film.
01:25:37
Perfect. Let's make it. Let's make it as a student film. Okay. Let's go back to school.
01:25:43
But the whole thing is, it's much more like, it's like, what's that movie? It's like My Dinner with Andre, where it's the discussion about being buried alive in a grave.
01:25:54
No one has to go into a coffin. But it gets like St. Elsewhere kind of, where it's like, is that the one?
01:26:00
Or it's like... St. Elmo's Fire. Yes! Or like someone that is like, well, I'm going to try it.
01:26:05
Yeah. I'll try it. Robbie, you're so wild. Oh my God, you're crazy. Melio Estevez.
01:26:11
Rob Lowe starts playing the saxophone. A lot of amazing cocaine use in that movie.
01:26:17
I fucking bet. I love it. Demi Moore like does way too much cocaine and she opens all the windows in her room.
01:26:24
And then there's like this insanely 80s shot of her. I'm sure I've described this before because it's truly one of my favorite memories from my teen years.
01:26:33
Yeah. And this is how everyone in my family should have known that I was a drug addict waiting to happen.
01:26:38
Because that scene was like, I was like, yeah. She just did cocaine. She did a ton of coke by herself and then was in her room holding her knees.
01:26:46
I think she was wearing like a shirt and no pants. Yeah. Holding her knees. All the windows were open and these long white curtains were blowing.
01:26:53
And you were like, great. That looks fun. I was like, I love this. I want to do this.
01:26:57
That looks lonely and cold. Her room, I think it's because she had high ceilings and the walls were painted a cool color.
01:27:03
From what I remember. Romanticizing cocaine. I mean, it's one of the more romantic elements in filmmaking.
01:27:11
What's your... Oh, what's your fucking hooray? My fucking hooray is, and I'm sorry because this is a, it's a tad of a repeat because I think in the rec room last week, I recommended Tara Brock's podcast, who is the, she's a Buddhist teacher and like a meditation teacher and stuff like that.
01:27:32
Yeah. So I was listening to her podcast this morning and I have a quote I want to read from it.
01:27:36
I want to. Because I liked this so much and it helped me so much that I actually typed it up and sent it to my therapist.
01:27:42
Because I was like, how weird is this? Because it's kind of what we were talking.
01:27:46
We had been talking about. So if you would indulge me, I'm going to read even more off a piece of paper.
01:27:51
Please do. Sprankers. May I first start by saying? Sprankers. That's got to be the name of the episode, right?
01:28:00
Not being buried alive in a grave. Yeah, I think so. I mean, yeah, it feels like it.
01:28:06
Maybe Sprankers with a question mark. So this is from an episode of her podcast.
01:28:11
I just started listening to random episodes in the morning, like it's kind of a way to wake up and and be calm or whatever.
01:28:19
And so this it's a two part series called How Hope Can Heal and Free Us, which seemed like a good thing to listen to.
01:28:27
And this part really got me. Everyone close your eyes, even if you're driving. OK, if you're driving, pull over wherever you are.
01:28:35
OK, so she's talking she's talking about a felt sense of severed belonging. So severed belonging is like the pain a lot of us hold, a lot of us do.
01:28:45
But it is not real. It's just a felt sense is the way she specifies it as opposed to a reality.
01:28:53
So she says it happens typically in early childhood when our parents also had severed belonging and are unable to create that resonance field where we're seen and gotten for who we are.
01:29:03
So when there's not really a safe, loving, filled with understanding sense of attunement in our home life, that is a sense of being cut off.
01:29:11
And when there's enough nurturance, when there's really good mirroring, I see you, I get you, that's what activates the neural connections in the frontal cortex.
01:29:20
So our capacity, especially the relational network in the frontal cortex that has to do with empathy and compassion, that gets activated when as young children we're in a resonance field.
01:29:32
And when we're not, in other words, when we don't get seen and we don't get that loving,
01:29:36
we don't get the activation in our frontal cortex. We're not able to engage in relationships so fully because there's no trust and there's
01:29:43
some sense of danger. So when that happens, instead of being guided by wholeness or an activated brain and an
01:29:50
awake heart we guided by our limbic system that looks for what threatening and dangerous and tends not to trust others In animal studies in chimps when the mother is erratic in mothering sometimes there sometimes not the erraticness is what sets off a sense of
01:30:08
insecurity and trauma. When the mother's erratic, the babies end up binge eating, being antisocial,
01:30:14
withdrawn and fearful. And then she starts laughing and everyone in the room starts laughing.
01:30:18
Because we're all like, hi. And then she goes, does that sound familiar? and then she says it creates the groundwork for depression because when we're cut off from that
01:30:28
sense of connection with others when we're living in anxiety the tendency is to want to push under
01:30:34
our life energy because it's so unpleasant and let's say the podcast name again because i i and everyone who is closing their eyes driving
01:30:45
needs to listen to it it's just i i don't think it it's just tara brock is the way if you put it
01:30:52
into like iTunes. Play it. If you play her podcast on our podcast. If you put her name
01:31:01
in, it's the one that comes up and then you can go through and it's whatever the title is that I said at the beginning
01:31:08
that I didn't write down. It's just the kind of thing where, because it's medically
01:31:13
based. So it's not saying conceptually and here's these concepts or whatever. It's like, this is the
01:31:19
truth about how our brains, how your brains are developed. And like, you're not feeding your brain with the correct, you know, nutrients that
01:31:26
it needs, which is nurturing and reliability and someone looking at you and going, Yes, absolutely.
01:31:32
Yeah. Yeah. So of course, you're not gonna fucking, you know, grow and thrive and not get
01:31:38
depression and not feel no, you're alienated, right? You're gonna you learn to cope. And then
01:31:44
you kind of and everything is like danger. And it's just so fascinating, because I think it's also
01:31:49
it's not you feeding yourself. It's like, this is what happens to tons of people in their
01:31:55
childhoods. This is the way you come up. And it's versions of this. It doesn't you don't have to
01:32:00
have had the worst child in the world, you could have a great one. But if there's any kind of
01:32:04
erraticness or lack of consistency, then you these things, you have these reactions for a very real,
01:32:11
almost medical reason, like a biological reason. I think that's really helped me with my anxiety
01:32:16
knowing that I am I it's all it's all learned behavior. Yes. And it can be unlearned. Or you
01:32:24
know, it can be, if it's not unlearned, while it's happening, I can remind myself of these things if
01:32:29
I practice them enough. So I'm actually maybe my fucking hurry is that I'm doing EMDR right now,
01:32:34
which is not electronic dance music. You've already done that. I helped you a lot. I really
01:32:40
feel free. I'm sorry. I'm not burnt at Burning Man this week. But I'm there with you burners.
01:32:44
Yes. And yeah, so we were thinking of, she made me think of a positive, happy time in my life. And I thought of, you know, and it was it was so I could cope for this weekend's baby shower that I'm throwing for my sister at my house.
01:32:59
And lots of issue, lots of potential, a rich area. It's the first time my mom and I have seen each other since we kind of made up.
01:33:05
It's going to be interesting. And the thing I thought about was a family gathering at my mom's house and how positive it can be and how great we can be together.
01:33:16
And it kind of changed my mind and my mood about what it's going to be like this weekend.
01:33:20
So awesome. Therapy, guys. God, it works. It's just, you know what it is? instead of thinking that what you think about yourself is absolutely the truth and going with
01:33:30
that, just running it by someone who went to school about these things, who can be like,
01:33:36
no, no, no, hold on. You can't do it if no one did it for you. It can't come out of nowhere.
01:33:44
You have to give yourself the chance to learn it. And you have to give yourself the chance to change.
01:33:49
My favorite thing that I've learned in therapy is that the things we're doing now are things
01:33:54
that we used as children and when we were younger to cope with our situation and our lives and to
01:34:01
get just get through yes and to survive and and we're still doing them even though they're not
01:34:07
needed and helping us anymore right they're effective and they're maybe hindering us now
01:34:12
and so you can say to those those things that you did and what you needed like thank you you got me
01:34:16
here and now I can do it with like a different in a different way yeah and now I can do it in my way
01:34:21
Because I'm parenting myself now. Exactly. And that you are, it's not you. You're not this like separate special case.
01:34:30
Broken, yeah. It's every single person. Truly every person. And that's actually very helpful if you're ever intimidated or you ever feel like you can't do something because you're not good enough.
01:34:41
Or you don't deserve, like you don't deserve therapy. I know a lot of people think that.
01:34:44
Yes. But actually, when you think about it, every person that is around you, probably most 85% of those people, that's a guess. I've never went to any kind of school, really. But everyone is working from this damaged 12 year old at the oldest. I mean, you're you're that that voice in your head. That's the meanest and the scariest and the most convincing the fear voice that it's it's very uneducated. It's very young.
01:35:09
And they think they're helping you. Yes. That voice thinks it's helping you. Yeah.
01:35:12
It means well, but it means well in a mean way. So now you get to make this brilliant decision to not live your life like that anymore.
01:35:21
And how lucky are we that we get that opportunity? Yeah. Especially me with my big white teeth.
01:35:27
Oh, my God. I'm so different. Welcome to the club. I forgot to tell you there's a secret handshake for us big white teeth people.
01:35:33
Oh, fuck yes. Yeah. Oh, my God. I never told you. And it's touching front teeth.
01:35:37
I'm just trying to get you to kiss me. You rub your teeth together. And then you say, you whisper very quietly, sprinkles.
01:35:45
What's it called? Sprinkers. Sprinkers? Sprankers. You whisper, sprankers. New York.
01:35:52
It's a hamlet in New York. Everybody knows it with big white teeth. Oh, thanks for fucking doing this.
01:36:00
You guys. Once again. Oh, you guys stick with it. Yeah, please. Please stick with us.
01:36:04
Yeah. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Sprankers. Sprankers. Elvis, do you want a cookie?
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