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Hello and welcome to my favorite murder. This is a podcast. That's it. The end. That's Georgia Hardstart.
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That's Karen Kilgariff. We're here to talk to you about many things. True climb.
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Climb. One of them. Free climbing. Uh huh. One of them. Don't do it. We're like, hey, go to Half Dome.
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Don't use ropes. Don't do true crime, please. Get up on a rock that has almost no footholds and just climb with your fingertips.
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No free climbing, no true crime here. Period. None of it. Period. This is all new.
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Yeah. This is a podcast where we mostly talk about recycling paper. Oh. Yeah. Come on, guys.
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Everyone's talking about recycling plastics. Can't use a straw. This and that. Hey, how about paper?
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How about let's talk about it. Let's talk about paper. Let's get into a deep dive.
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Now, my friend just sent me a picture. Okay. And I don't know if it was his actual view or if he found it online.
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But it made me laugh so hard because it's taken from an aisle seat in a plane, one seat behind a lady who is in the aisle in front and diagonally across.
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And that woman is working on a hoop stitch and she's embroidering Eat a Bag of Dicks.
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Look at this. The lady of my dreams. So it's my friend Dave Eskandari sent this to me, who I've known since I was 18 years old.
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And he is the most fun. You met him when we were in San Francisco. He's hilarious.
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She's holding it up for the world to see. And it's beautifully and floral. Isn't it perfect?
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Eat a bag of dicks. It's really well done. She has a blue streak in her hair. So she's a friend of ours.
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Yes, she absolutely looks like a librarian slash professional knitter. flash derby doll murderino.
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Yes, for sure. Hi, we respect you. We support you. This is the world I want to live in.
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Let us know if it's you. Please. Because we've got to know. Oh, it's my favorite.
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Bless your heart. And thanks, Dave, for always keeping me up to date on what's going on in the world.
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I love that when, I love that you're the kind of person, and this is the kind of person I strive to be,
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that when someone sees the germied bag of dicks, they think to send it to you first.
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You know who's going to like this? Who? Karen. Yeah, that's who. But you know why?
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Because I remember a time not so long ago when that's the kind of thing you had to hide in your bag.
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Yeah. Because some weird mid-level businessman would get up all in your shit if you were doing something like that on Southwest.
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He'd get the vapors and be like, put the back of his palm to his forehead. Oh, and his other hand down on his dockers.
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Yeah. How dare you? How dare you? Why, I never. Not anymore, friend. Now you can eat a bag of dicks in public.
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Now you can just go ahead and eat a bag of dicks about it. Welcome moms and grandmas.
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New listeners. Yes, this is what it's like. Guys, it really is not appropriate. And that's the fun part.
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That's right. That's what we like. What have you got? Announcements, announcements, announcements.
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Let's do a really fun announcement. Okay, yeah. You want to do the fun one first?
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Absolutely. Before all you skip or skip. Yeah. Actually skip because this isn't for you.
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Yeah, that's right. You didn't earn it. You don't get this. Okay. Do you think that there's going to be a time, probably sometime in the near future, where we're going to say the whole podcast together at the same time?
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I do think so. Yes. Oh, my God. It already happened. We're close. We're close. So you guys know about My Favorite Weekend.
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It's our Santa Barbara Murderino meetup weekend in Santa Barbara. Yeah. We are debuting the official logo for the weekend.
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It's so fucking cool. It's going to be on merch. You can go to MyFavoriteWeekend.com to check it out.
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And we have a special announcement to make. This is very exciting There going to be a contest so that you can win two tickets for you and your lucky friend of our choosing to come and be at my favorite weekend with us
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That's right. Yes. And there's going to be live shows. We're doing live shows. Murder Squad's doing live shows.
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Perkast is doing live shows. All of your friends from the Exactly Right Network are going to be there.
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To be announced ones, too, that are really exciting. That's right. And secret guests that are going to be very exciting.
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Yeah, there's going to be like all kinds of little fun things going on around Santa Barbara.
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They're going to hate us by the time we're done. We're going to be embroidering Eat a Bag of Dicks all over Santa Barbara the weekend of November 1st.
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We're going to be we're going to be yarning little sweaters to put on on traffic meters.
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Let's say Eat a Bag of Dicks. It's going to be a cute little project. I'd actually like if someone would embroider a picture of the woman sitting on her airplane seat embroidering Eat a Bag of Dicks.
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Why not? Let's go meta. Let's go to the inception. Please. of dicks. Okay, guess what?
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Okay, so you know, okay, so Santa Barbara from November 11th through the 3rd? No, 1st through the 3rd.
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11th through the 3rd would be backwards time. That's right. Which could be the new podcast.
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I'm doing great. Is everything fine? Okay, you do it. Well, so we know that that kind of a weekend isn't
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within everyone's purview of being able to afford or wouldn't immediately by because, you know, it's 2019.
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We all know what's going down. And that's why we are giving away to one lucky murderino and their luckiest friend.
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Of our choosing. Of our choosing. We get to pick your friend. It's a contest where we're giving away tickets to come and spend my favorite weekend with
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us. Yeah. Travel's not included. You have to get yourself to and from Santa Barbara.
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But once you get there. Yeah. Stay on our couch in our hotel room, too. Not mine.
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Okay. That's all Georgia. How about we give you a two-night stay at the Hilton Santa Barbara Beachfront Resort instead?
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How about that? How about admission to the Arlington Theater on November 1st for our mini-show taping
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and on the 2nd for our full episode taping with special guests and openers? How about two level two reserves?
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I don't know what that means. Seats. Two good seats. Really good seats. How about an invitation to the opening night cocktail reception that includes hors d'oeuvres.
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My favorite thing. And beverages. My other favorite thing. And an appearance by Karen and Georgia.
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Who? What? You had a mission of the Perkast taping at the Arlington exclusive official My Favorite Weekend merch.
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And, of course, we're going to be doing a meet and greet. And you're going to get a signed poster.
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And you get to be at the meet and greet. It's really a kind of comprehensive contest.
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Because we want somebody that maybe couldn't go otherwise to be there with us. Because we're not elitist.
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Yeah. We want you to come. We want you to win a contest. Are you feeling lucky, punk?
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Come and try to win this. We would love to see you there. We're so excited for this weekend.
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We really think it's going to turn out to be really fun. Go to MyFavoriteWeekend.com for all the information.
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And then go to the news site on our regular website, MyFavoriteMurder.com. There's a news, and it'll show you how to do that.
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How to enter this contest? Yes. Yeah. What more exciting business do we have? I mean, I don't want to say it because I wanted to save it for my fucking hooray, but it's at the top.
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It's just staring at me at the top of my paper. Okay. It says Count Chocula season.
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Is that true? It's Count Chocula season, and that's my fucking array. I'm going to say I have to think of a new one now.
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They bring it back for Halloween. They bring, remember Boo Berry? Oh, yeah. What's the other one?
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Frankenberry. Frankenberry. Stephen's got to know this. He's a millennial. Stephen?
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Boo Berry. Count Chocula. Boo Berry. Okay. Those two are gross. But I didn't know how good this fucking Count Chocula situation was until my stoner husband
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drew some down for you yeah um see i was always a boo berry fan what i don't like chocolate in my
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cereal berry flavored cereal hell yeah girl oh my god you start with tricks you move up to lucky
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charms never did oh lucky berries are good yeah kind of fruity is it yeah okay fruity pebbles
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no hey ew you like cocoa pebbles yes so we're opposite you i got them all correct all right
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Except there was one that they discontinued in 74 called Fruit Brute, and it was a werewolf.
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Oh, poor werewolf. What happened to him? Before even my time. Fruit Brute? Fruit Brute.
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Oh, wait. And there's also Fruity Yummy Mummy, which was discontinued in 87. No, I don't remember that.
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Can I see that mummy? I want Yummy Mummy back. I really love mummies. I think they're the funniest part of Halloween.
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We've got to start a campaign to bring Yummy Mummy back. Yummy Mummy, baby. Look at that.
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It actually looks kind of familiar. Oh, yeah. Maybe they redid it in, you know. Yeah.
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Whatever. Fruity yummy mommy. Oh, well, if we're going to talk about this, which I like that we are.
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Yeah. And could talk about all cereals forever. Because I do have a problem with corn pops.
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I can't buy them. Yeah. Because I will eat the entire box. I just keep doing the balance of a little more milk, a little more cereal.
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Fuck yeah. Until it's three days later and I've gained 20 pounds. but Stephen pulled a prank on all of us.
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What? Did you hear about this? No. So on the... You want to talk about it, Stephen?
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Stephen turned red. Well, it was when you did that amazing read of The Haunted House,
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like, let's play a game. I basically just, like, clipped that part out and put it back at the end of the minisode.
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Very end of the minisode. So it's Georgia talking? Yeah. Oh, okay. It's her, let's play a game.
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Let's play a game. Yeah, that is basically a hidden track at the end of the minisode.
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And I everybody thinks it's me on Twitter because I've gotten, oh, I don't know, 25 tweets with people describing where they were, what happened.
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And of course the morning it starts later when it like quiet It at the end after Elvis gets his cookie Oh that another thing I want to talk about Yes So it basically like no one expecting it And suddenly you come in whispering let play a game
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Marie! So everyone's going, I'm driving my car and I blah, blah, blah. Thanks so much, Karen.
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And I'm like, I don't know what's going on right now. That's hilarious. But Stephen, I love the spirit of it.
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Let's start doing stuff like that for Halloween. We're all about it. you just have to tell us what's happening on our own show first.
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No, don't tell us. I want other people to be like, you know what just happened on your show?
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I just crashed my car because of what you did that you don't know you did it. I like that.
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I like that other people have to tell us and we have to guess what it is. It was really funny because the first tweet I read, the guy seemed mad.
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And of course, it's Twitter. So I'm always expecting people to be mad. And you know what?
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I'm just here to tell you. We were like, okay. What did I do? And then as I read it, I'm like, okay.
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And they're like, thanks for that hidden track. I spilled coffee all over myself and blah, blah, whatever.
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And I'm like, yeah, I don't know what any of this is. I'm like, maybe he's got the wrong podcast.
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Well, I was on the tweet. I was on the thread that you guys were writing. And you were like, Stephen, did you put something into the end of the like, Stephen, there's
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a hidden track. What's going on? He's like, oh, yeah, I did. Sorry. And you don't know.
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I love it. Can you just tell me next time? It's hilarious. I thought you were mad at him at first.
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No, no, no. But I was like, I'll let me be in on the joke. I mean, I don't want to be in on it.
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I don't want to know, Stephen. I'll text Karen separately. Yes, exactly. Just get the clearance because, you know, who knows the one day that you're like, you know, it'd be great if I snuck up behind someone with a knife in my hand.
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I'm like, Stephen, no. Let me be there to tell you no. It's a bad idea. But hilarious.
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It's great. Speaking of Elvis. Really kicked off squad guard season really nicely.
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Squad guard season. Did you see? I need to give them credit. Someone who works at Trader Joe's, who are all our friends, put up a squad gourd sign in there.
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Like one of their chalkboard things? Yes. Because gourds are on sale? Can you say who it is, Stephen?
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It's Molly K. Bales. She posted a photo of it's the squad gourds above the pumpkins and squashes.
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It's like one of those circular squash racks. And it says squad gourds. And we love you, Molly K. Bales.
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Thank you so much. Trader Joe's is like family to us. That's so exciting. I mean, for real, because Stephen just ran to Trader Joe's before we started taping.
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I have a Trader Joe's bean and cheese burrito balancing me out right now. What kind did you get?
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I got the Italian wrap. Oh, yeah. Gross. We had a moment. We had a whole moment because I was like, Stephen's like, do you want anything from Trader Joe's?
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And then I immediately in my mind start shopping through that appetizer section that I've lived off of sometimes.
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and I'm like, no, just get me a burrito. Let's just be. That's all you need. Let's be reasonable about it.
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Let's balance it out. Let's balance some things out. But still, being a cheese burrito, I can't spit at that.
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You really can't. I mean, you shouldn't. That's gross. Don't spit at it? Don't. No, no, I won't.
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But I do like to spit on my food before I eat it. It's like claiming it? It tenderizes it.
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You got to get those enzymes to mush up your food. And chew every bite 40 times.
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Okay, speaking of food and Elvis. I wanted to make it clear because I've actually had a couple of questions about this on Instagram.
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So every single week when Elvis meows at the end of the show, it's brand new. We don't read, even though we're not like recording in our house, my house anymore, our house that we live in together.
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Yeah, I like to think of it as my house. It is. I get a new Elvis. Steven texts me at like 10 p.m.
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And he's like, can I get an Elvis? And I'm like, yeah. And then I wait for hours and he's like, hey, sorry to bug you.
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Can I get an Elvis? I'm like, yes, yes, yes. So there's a new Elvis every time. I just want everyone to know you're not being fucking cheated.
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I would never do such a thing. So sorry. People were like inquiring, like, is that the same Elvis as last week?
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Or I miss Elvis's new meow every week. But it is new every week. Yeah. Like literally, maybe there was one week where I was off.
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Oh, I see. So people are assuming because we're not in your house that they're being served up some old Elvis.
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Yes. No. And I just want to go ahead and set the record straight right now about my cat.
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Really quick corrections corner. and I'm so disappointed and I'm so sorry to tell everyone this.
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It's not Sprankers and there's no exclamation mark in it either. It's actually Sprakers, New York.
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Sprakers, New York. So I just threw an N in there and had the time of my life. Yeah, something took place in Sprankers.
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Yeah, Sprankers. Well, our heart belongs in Sprankers. I mean, yeah, if you're not named Sprankers, you've made a mistake.
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Yeah. And let's get out there on that town sign and spray paint an end. Let's become mayor of that town.
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Change the fucking name. Put an exclamation mark at the end of it. Did you get a direct message about how you did that wrong?
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I think I got a couple of comments. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Which is fine. Yeah.
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But I like Sprankers better. I love Sprankers. Yeah. I don't think anyone listens in Sprankers.
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Yeah, they don't care. Yeah. But you know where they do listen is in the sprained ankle capital Sprankers.
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That's why I relate. You belong there. I love it. I am the mayor already. That's right.
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Okay. Yeah. Succession. We're both catching up. Succession. Great Colin Culkin fucking that you're missing out on.
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Kieran Culkin? Kieran. What did I say? Colin Culkin? Great. I mean, that's the fifth brother.
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There's a storyline that it's perverted and I fucking love it so much. I can't wait.
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I'm gleeful about it. Okay. I love him. I love him as a performer. I love that character on that show.
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He's so good. He's very dynamic and fun to watch. Oh, my God. And that's the kind of person I want to be in a room with all the time.
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Yeah, he's such a dick. The shit disturber that will say things to your face. I think I'm like the episode before.
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Okay. My problem is I bought that weighted blanket. Yes. Because I bought Georgia a weighted blanket for her birthday And then of course I was like well then I should have one too If Georgia going to get one you like my big sister If Georgia going to get one then I want one too Literally literally I have a lot of issues left over from being five
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but I also was like, I've always loved that moment in at the dentist where they put it on you. They
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put the lead blanket on you to take your x-rays. And so when I was getting it for you, I was like,
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I was like, oh, this will make her feel good. And if she has anxiety or whatever, and I'm like,
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I have all that shit. Yeah. You're like, wait a minute. I need it too. She's not special.
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but yeah exactly I have it too I'm sick too mom but I put that thing on I start watching TV and 11 minutes
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into any show I'm out like a light it's crazy I really like it I'm going to save that for my
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See full terms at mintmobile.com. Well, the problem is that last night, yesterday, I spent all day working on my murder.
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I almost finished the whole story. I got into bed at like 1130, went to like Reddit.
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Thank you, Reddit, for this heads up. I've done it before it turns out I went to like
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I put in Tent Girl Reddit to get some more information that was early days that was episode 31 that was
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the Lululemon murder that you did oh yeah episode 31 so and it was everything that I even like
00:21:27
the dough network it was about that too which I was like I'm going to add that into the story it's going to be great
00:21:31
and I fucking did Tent Girl and the dough network what's wrong with me as she sips a fucking can of white wine you know what it
00:21:37
is before you pick the story you want to do, like you sit there and kind of go, what interests me right now? What would be
00:21:44
compelling for me to sit here and write about and read about for a full day? So it makes sense.
00:21:51
Because if you've already liked it, you still like it. I mean, it's still the it still interests
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you. But during it, I was like, where did I read? I realized it was the book, the skeleton crew. But
00:22:00
I was like, I know I read about this in some book or something. And it was just turned out that I had
00:22:03
done all the research for it. Right. What the fuck? Okay. This is how we learn and grow.
00:22:09
That's right. Are you first or my first? I think it's you, right? Yeah. From either the prodigal son or the Irving show.
00:22:16
Yeah. Double time. Double first. So when I thought of this one this morning, I Googled the name of it and then my favorite
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murder and nothing came up. Great. So. Still, we don't know if that means anything.
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I mean, you know what I realized? And it only works for mine, but like I'll ask Jay, I'll be like, I want to do this one.
00:22:36
We've done it. I could just go through my own documents and search the My Favorite Murder file, at least from my own.
00:22:45
But I guess so. Yeah, I think some of mine are gone. But if you go, there's a Wikipedia with all the episodes.
00:22:51
So I just do control F and look for it. It's not there. Oh, good to know. So I'm counting on you guys, Wikipedia, like we have for this whole podcast, Wikipedia and Reddit.
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Thank you. And WikiFeet. Thank you. WikiFeet, most importantly. Thank you. And Murderpedia.
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Murderpedia feed. Thank you. Okay. Fuck it. I'm doing the diet love pass. Oh, we've never done that.
00:23:14
Amazing. Okay. Amazing. Diet love. Why do you have even a pause about this? I don't know.
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And did you look up the pronunciation? Yes. It's great. Diet love. Because I've been making it up.
00:23:24
Me too. The pronunciation in my head every time I look at it. Until today, it was the dilatav pass in my mind.
00:23:29
Yes, me too. It's not. Is that because we did it already? We did the dilatav pass.
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We haven't done the dilatav pass. So here we go. Yeah. And there's so many. The reason I'm nervous about this one is because there's literally 60 over 60 versions of what happened.
00:23:45
Yes. Of people speculating. And so there's so many articles. There's so much to look at.
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The ones I got the most from were Wikipedia. All that's interesting dot com. A YouTube video by someone called Let Me Know.
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It's L.E.M.M.I.N.O. um dial it dial of pass.com which has like fucking crazy all the photographs all the info
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i like that the idea that the pass bought themselves a web page they're like you know
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i'm getting a lot of heat and i should be the one that's getting the attention i have something to
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say about my pass and no i don't want dot net i want dot com um and then i took a little walk and
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listen to the stuff you should know podcast about it so hi chuck hi chuck all right here's the
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basics, the facts that we do know. Okay. In January of 1959, a group consisting of two women and eight men, they're from the USSR,
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they form a hiking and skiing expedition to reach the peak of Orton Mountain. I'm going to get every fucking name and place wrong on this, everyone.
00:24:46
I mean, it is Russia. Yeah. So. Yes, my family's from there. But no. Look, they're not, they left there.
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And they didn't speak it anyways. They didn't bring any pronunciation books with them.
00:24:57
Also, there's the Soviet Union, Russia, the USSR. There's all the versions. We understand historians are going to be offended if we say the wrong version.
00:25:05
That's right. I've actually been to Russia. That's right. I'll add that in. I'll sprinkle it in during your story.
00:25:11
I wish you would. Do you, though? I do. So it's the Otorten. It's a mountain in the northern Urals in the Soviet Union.
00:25:22
so out of the 10 people who were going to go on this fucking expedition nine of them wouldn't
00:25:28
survive someone survived well oh here we go okay the leader of the group was named igor diet love
00:25:37
so that's why they named it's his path it's his path got it um after this incident obviously he's
00:25:42
23 years old he's a really really brilliant radio engineering student at the euro polytechnical
00:25:48
institute he's supposed to be like well liked everyone wants to go on his hikes like he is the
00:25:53
dude like pick me you know like oh my god i love igor igor igor so much yeah his little glasses
00:26:01
and there's a shit ton of photographs from this everyone was taking pictures and it's not and it's
00:26:05
like 1959 but these are like good photos and it's these young kids that are having this adventure
00:26:11
and they're having so much fun and and you can see him there and yeah he's cute beautiful russians
00:26:15
Beautiful Russians. With their cheekbones. That's right. Most of the other hikers were fellow students at the university with him.
00:26:22
Everyone in the group was an experienced hiker. And also, like, they're doing cross-country skiing.
00:26:27
So I'm just calling them hikers because they're going up a mountain. But there's snow involved.
00:26:30
Yes. Oh, it's like fucking middle of winter, snowy mountains. I'd be like, Igor, listen.
00:26:37
I like your idea. Yeah. And I like your spirit. Yeah. Let's save it for June. Exactly.
00:26:42
It's beautiful in June. Yeah. they're all experienced with ski tour experience as well and upon completing this trip they are so
00:26:50
good that they would be receiving a certificate that awarded them the highest like level of
00:26:55
skier hiker person available the olympics no but like a signed certificate that's like yes you can
00:27:02
go to these you know what i mean like oh like you and i and we're like i want to go to this mountain
00:27:06
we'd have to have this certificate showing that we've actually gotten off our house no no stay
00:27:10
away exactly they're like it's like black diamond skiing of hiking yes it's like gold star gold star
00:27:16
got it okay so um they knew what they were doing the route that they're taking to reach the peak
00:27:21
was estimated as a category three like that's how fucking hard it is which is the most difficult
00:27:26
oh and that's especially at the time of year because it was all snowy and shit it's january
00:27:29
it's about to be february uh cut to me on a category one wheezing and going back to my car
00:27:35
Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, so the group of 10 headed off on their trek on January 27th. But one day into their trip, one of the members, they had like just gotten to these cabins. They had to take like a train and a fucking cart and a fucking horse and all this shit to get like, and they stay a night at these cabins.
00:27:52
Two mules carrying eight people. That's right. So the one of the members, the guy who survives, Yuri Yudin, he is like, oh, shucks, everyone.
00:28:02
I have this crazy knee and joint pain. I think he had arthritis. So I can't continue to hike.
00:28:07
I'm staying behind. So that's why he survived. Oh, so he wasn't technically really in the group.
00:28:12
Exactly. Where the shit went down. So he's the you and me of this group. We're like, gosh, it's warm in here.
00:28:17
You guys, we got to keep this fire stoked. Yeah, I'm going. That'll be my job. That's my job.
00:28:21
I'll see you guys in a minute. But the remaining group of nine continued on to the trek. So from
00:28:28
here, and they also kept really great diaries as well as the photographs. So the photos and diaries
00:28:34
are the that are later found are all there is that can track the group's route. So they can
00:28:40
use these to track them. On January 31, the group arrived at the edge of a highland area,
00:28:46
and they began to prepare for climbing. And they left behind some surplus food and equipment. So
00:28:51
like for when they come back down. The following day, February 1, they start to move through the
00:28:56
pass. And it seems like they were planning to get over the pass and make camp like near the summit
00:29:02
the next night on the opposite side. But they are there's a snowstorm and there's decreased
00:29:08
visibility. And it looks like they accidentally went west when they were expecting to go north.
00:29:13
So they got stuck, they realized they were way behind. And so they were already on this crazy
00:29:20
slope. And so when they got there, they decided for some reason to set up camp there rather than
00:29:26
move almost a mile downhill to this forested area. And it's not heavy, but there's trees and shit,
00:29:32
so they can kind of get some shelter. But it's a mile away, so they probably didn't want to
00:29:36
backtrack, and they probably didn't want to go downhill. And then also, it's possible that they
00:29:41
want to just have the experience of sleeping on a slope as well, and get all those brownie points
00:29:46
or whatever the fuck. Sure. You know, Russian brownie points. Vodka points. This mountain is translated to Dead Mountain in the indigenous language of the Manci people of the region So that fucking foreshadowing Yeah Before they had left Diet Lob had said that he would send a telegram back
00:30:06
to the sports club that they were a part of as soon as the group returned to that village where
00:30:11
good old Yuri had stayed behind during the soup. Yeah. But they were supposed to be back no later
00:30:18
than February 12th, but it was possible it was going to take longer. So no one really worried
00:30:23
when the 12th passed and there was no messages and no one back home freaked out.
00:30:29
But by the 20th, the families of the hikers were like, what's fucking going on? This isn't good.
00:30:34
I hate that old fashioned time issue where there's no direct way to communicate.
00:30:41
And it's like, you know, if you're somewhere, people won't realize things for weeks and weeks.
00:30:46
In any story, that fills me with anxiety. Yeah, because it's like, it's not just like they had to go make a phone call to find them.
00:30:54
It's like, if you have to wait and wait, and if you can't find them, you have to go fucking hike up that hill and look for them.
00:30:59
That's a big trek for these, like, hardcore hikers. So their families are freaking out.
00:31:03
They probably can't go looking for them. So they talk the head of the institute into sending out some volunteer students and teachers to search for the hikers.
00:31:13
They do that. And there's photographs of all of this, too, of when they reach the camp.
00:31:17
The volunteers found the campsite on February 26th. So at this point, they had last written in their diary on the 1st, I believe.
00:31:26
So it's February 26th at this point. They get to the camp and they're like, something is very wrong.
00:31:30
They found the group's abandoned and badly damaged tent covered in a thin coat of snow.
00:31:36
But the hikers' belongings and equipments are all still at the campsite. They're orderly.
00:31:41
It doesn't seem like anything had happened. And the hikers had just left them there.
00:31:45
And there are nine sets of footprints walking away from the campsite. And so everyone is screaming right now who doesn't know this.
00:31:52
It's an avalanche. But they put their skis in a circle around the tent. And they're all still standing up exactly the way they left them.
00:31:59
Yeah. So I don't know. I feel like an avalanche would be pretty clearly easy to identify.
00:32:08
Yeah. Because it's all the snow coming down. I feel like you wouldn't even find the tent.
00:32:12
Right. Who knows? We'll get to the theories. Okay. One of the students who found the campsite said that, quote, the tent was half torn down and covered with snow.
00:32:22
It was empty and all the group's belongings and shoes had been left behind. And the weirdest of all is that the tent had been sliced open with a knife from the inside.
00:32:30
It had a couple cuts on it. And the searchers were like, what the fuck? So at the site of the fucked up tent.
00:32:37
And it was sliced open right next to the zipper. And the zipper was broken. Oh, wait.
00:32:43
This whole thing because of his broken zipper. The side of the fucked up tent. There's and there's so much information.
00:32:49
So once this happened, of course, it's the Soviet Union. They put this into secret fucking files and don't let it come out into the 90s.
00:32:56
So a lot of this is speculation. Maybe some of the facts aren't even right that we know of.
00:33:01
Eight or nine sets of footprints are found leaving the tent and they look like the footprints.
00:33:07
And they can tell that whoever left are only wearing socks or a single shoe or barefoot.
00:33:11
and by the footprints it looks like they're walking away not running oh and to me this is
00:33:17
the most fucked up part where like there's like a couple things in it that any um theory you go with
00:33:23
these little pieces don't fit and them walking away doesn't fit to me no you know
00:33:30
yep i mean in your socks in the snow with no other footprints so it's not you can't
00:33:35
can't say someone like attacked them. Yeah. It's just like you went to have a wander. Yeah. For no reason. Without your shoes. Yeah. In the snow. No. So the searchers followed the footprints and it led back down towards that foresty area that they hadn't wanted to go to. It's the woods nearby and almost a mile to the northeast. And at the forest edge under a large cedar tree, the searchers found the remains of a small fire.
00:34:05
and there they also found the first of the two bodies. Yuri Krivonyshenko, Krivonyshenko,
00:34:14
thank you, who's 23 and another Yuri, Doroshenko, 21. They're both shoeless and dressed only in like their undergarments
00:34:23
and you can see fucking photos of this online and the temperatures are under, like would have been under 25 or below 30
00:34:32
on the night of their death. So why did they walk out in their fucking underwear?
00:34:35
Right. There's branches on a nearby tree that are broken all the way up to about 16 feet high.
00:34:42
So suggesting maybe that one of the hikers had climbed up to look around and see like where things had, you know, where his fucking people were or whatever.
00:34:50
Or we're trying to hide from someone up there on the tree. Yeah. That's creepy, right?
00:34:54
Yes. Okay. So between the forest and the camp, they find three more bodies. So it looked like that they were trying to walk back towards the camp away from the forest.
00:35:05
Those bodies were that of Dialov, Zineda Kalmogorva, who's 24, and Rustem Slobodan, who's 23.
00:35:15
And so they had fallen in such a way that seemed that they were walking back towards the camp.
00:35:21
So like forward towards the camp. Yeah. And they had a little bit more clothes on than the other two, but not much.
00:35:26
And definitely not enough to be out in the cold. And this was a mile away from the tent.
00:35:31
So it wasn't like they were running to take a piss, you know? Yeah, yeah. That's far.
00:35:35
Yeah. So while the circumstances were weird, the cause of death was for all five hikers had been hypothermia.
00:35:41
So it wasn't that odd, but they didn't know why they walked out of their tent. Their body showed no indication of severe damage, and it was just hypothermia.
00:35:53
And then it isn until the other four bodies are found two months later that the story gets even weirder I sorry but I love this When I first found the story I almost cried from like this is the kind of thing I want to read for the rest of my life
00:36:08
It also feels like the kind of thing that whether it's American hidden top secret files or Russian or any other country.
00:36:17
Yeah. Like there must be a million stories like this that we just don't know about.
00:36:21
that it's like X-Files stuff where they show up and go, okay, lock this whole thing down.
00:36:26
We're not talking about this. Whether it's military or fucking aliens or some kind of, you know, anything.
00:36:33
The Yeti. The Yeti. Which I will hold on to and argue with you this entire episode.
00:36:38
I have it at the very end so we can start fighting. Okay, good. Because I barely talk about it.
00:36:43
I'm sorry. So you'll have to tell everyone the details. Oh, we'll become a Yeti truth right at the end.
00:36:48
Yeti truth. Oh my, shirts, for sure. I mean, I'm just saying, 16 feet up in a tree, how are you up there?
00:36:57
A Yeti's shoulders. Make Yeti great again. Okay, so the rest of the bodies are found.
00:37:03
They're finally found on May 4th. So this is the beginning of February they had gone missing.
00:37:08
And they're found May 4th under 13 feet of snow in a ravine, almost 250 feet further into the woods from where the others were found.
00:37:16
So it's almost like these two guys were like, we're staying put here and we'll light a fire and climb a tree for some fucking reason.
00:37:21
These three were like, we're going to walk back to the tent. And these other four were like, we're going deeper into the forest.
00:37:26
So like, why did they split up? I mean, just off the top, more scared goes further into the forest.
00:37:34
The other brave ones are like, you know what, this is fine. Let's go get our shoes.
00:37:38
Then they leave the people that are still near the fire, hear something and go up into the tree to see what happened.
00:37:44
And then how do they die? Yeti. Okay. But I wonder if like for mountain climbers and for hikers and shit, splitting up is a no-no.
00:37:55
Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, but so is walking in the snow with no shoes on.
00:37:58
Fair enough. Right? It's a Yeti. It's a Yeti. I mean, it seems like, did they get dosed with acid?
00:38:03
Was there some? Okay. I won't do it. Well, no, no. Let's talk about it. Because there is a theory, and I didn't really talk about it much, that the local tribe, the
00:38:11
indigenous tribe do have the mushrooms that they like to fuck around with yeah and one of the things
00:38:17
that they do is hang them from like socks from a tree oh so did they fucking climb a tree and eat
00:38:23
those mushrooms and go absolutely ape shit and cut themselves out of the fucking tent yeah because
00:38:27
like they are college students yeah so they're they could be there to party yeah but they're like
00:38:32
engineer students that you know engineers party the hardest they'll like make a radio that drugs
00:38:38
you actually that's okay we're not doing that yes radio waves okay okay uh okay the three of
00:38:49
the three of them had more clothes on than the other hikers including some of the clothing that
00:38:54
belonged to their dead friends meaning that possibly they died first and they took their
00:38:58
clothes from them yeah and so they knew their friends were fucking dead how horrible is that
00:39:02
Let's go deeper into the forest. And getting away from that area. That's right. So their body, there were more questions once their bodies were examined.
00:39:12
Three of the hikers had fatal injuries, including Nikolai Theba Brighanalis. Sorry.
00:39:21
Nikolai apologized. He was 23. He had suffered significant skull damage that had led to his death.
00:39:28
So he had been hit in the head with something. um uh ludmila dubinina who was 20 and semyon zolotaryov who was 38 not bad right i know pretty
00:39:39
good doing my best yeah you um was 38 they had major chest fractures and the weird thing about
00:39:46
these these wounds that they had is there was no surface wounds so it's not like someone took a
00:39:51
hatchet or whatever it's like compression yeah and and it was said that they could only be caused by
00:39:57
immense force comparable to that of a car crash or bigfoot or yeah a russian bigfoot or like you
00:40:04
know i wonder if like if you if you butted someone with a gun that probably tears skin right i mean
00:40:11
i don't know there'd be bruising but steven stand up it's that's terrible even climb this trail
00:40:18
so we're sending steven this is the other contest one lucky listener is going with steven to the top
00:40:24
of the diet love pass to work some theories out. So yeah, so it's comparable to that of a car accident.
00:40:33
So it's like blunt force trauma. Yeah. And how out in the middle of nowhere? Well, they're in a ravine.
00:40:39
So it's possible they fell. But no one wants to believe that. Okay. The most gruesome part of the diet love pass incident is for poor Debenina.
00:40:48
she's missing her tongue her eyes part of her lips as well as facial tissue and a fragment of
00:40:57
her skull bone and she had extensive skin maceration on her hands so yeah go ahead
00:41:03
defensive wound i don't know nobody knows it's like most people think that an animal a scavenger
00:41:10
came and took those things but why didn't they take them from the other people too
00:41:13
Yeah. And also, why didn't they take other because usually scavengers take soft tissue, right? All those things, but more. Yeah, they don't stop at just a couple things. There's also possibility that she was in the they'd fallen into the ravine and she was in the water. And so the water washed that away. Yeah, possibly. I want to believe the weird ship. But there's like explanations on either side for all of them. And I don't want to ignore them. Right. But Yeti.
00:41:40
But Yeti. And yet, they also found the body of Alexander Kolvatov, who was 24 in the same location, but he didn't have the severe trauma.
00:41:53
So and actually none of the bodies aside from Dabinana had any external wounds associated with bone fractures as if they been subjected to a high level pressure instead of violent attack
00:42:05
Hmm. That's weird. It could be described with falling. But I like this other theory that I'll get to.
00:42:10
Okay. There was initial speculation. Originally, they were like, maybe the Mansea people had gotten pissed that they were on
00:42:16
their land and attacked them. But, you know, people hiked and camped there all the time.
00:42:20
And the Mansea people were not, they were peaceful. So that was discounted. In fact, all attack by humans was ruled out because the hikers' footprints were the only ones that were there.
00:42:32
Right? Yeah. In the end, it was reported that six of the group members died of hypothermia and three of fatal injuries.
00:42:39
The victims had died six to eight hours after their last meal. So they were probably sleeping in the middle of the night.
00:42:46
And at the time, the verdict was that the group members had all died because of, and this is what they ended it with,
00:42:51
compelling natural force. That's what they called it. What's that? Let's close the fucking files.
00:42:57
Good night. Compelling natural force like a hurricane? Yeah, that's, I mean, yeah.
00:43:03
What is? Or avalanche. I think that's what they're insinuating. I see. So the inquest was closed in May of 1959, like right when they found the four others.
00:43:17
And the files were sent to a secret archive. Where? night night i don't and ussr good luck finding them well and what else is in there oh my god
00:43:28
can you imagine but like the thing about that is it's like oh it sounds so sinister and spooky but
00:43:32
like it was the soviet union no files were allowed to be out so it wasn't until the 90s
00:43:36
that um they got the files out yeah so the theories exclamation mark i wrote avalanche
00:43:44
obviously an avalanche is the first explanation that would pop into my head and i want to fucking
00:43:48
believe that because I love it being like, nope, it's not what you think it is. It's just simple
00:43:51
thing. Yeah. Perhaps they thought they heard one coming or thought they heard one coming and cut
00:43:57
themselves out of the tent and headed as they were out to the tree line. But then why would they be
00:44:03
walking? You know, yes, not running. I guess. And also, why would you cut yourself out of a tent?
00:44:09
Right. If you're walking somewhere and you have the calmness to walk somewhere, why would you
00:44:13
lack of calm of cutting yourself out of a zippable tent. See, to me, it's like if they're wrong about the footprints and someone just misread that,
00:44:22
then that explains a lot of shit. And it could be more likely to be any of these things.
00:44:26
But also, and this could just and probably as pure ignorance on my part, how are we talking about the detail of footprints during or after or within an avalanche?
00:44:37
Right. Because wouldn't that all be wiped away? Well, maybe the avalanche had already happened.
00:44:41
and then they cut themselves out and got out. Maybe the tent had collapsed. Yeah.
00:44:46
Okay. That makes sense. Yes, but all the skis, and you can see in a photo, are standing straight up exactly where they were placed.
00:44:52
Strong, super strong skis. The strongest skis. Russian skis. That's right. Rush skis.
00:44:58
Oh, no. Siberian rush skis. Rush skis. Yeah. The other thing about the cut that I like,
00:45:06
the cut in the tent, is that maybe they thought someone was watching them. And so they didn't want to unzip their fucking tent and be like, yo, why are you watching us?
00:45:15
Okay. And instead they like cut a hole to be like peekaboo. Was the cut hole on the opposite side of the entrance?
00:45:24
I don't know. It was on the side of the tent, I believe. And you can see photos of the tent on the website.
00:45:32
Yeah. If you just go to dietlovepass.com, you can see all those photos. But there are a few points of evidence that contradict the avalanche theory.
00:45:41
The location had no signs of any avalanche having taken place, and an avalanche would have left certain patterns of debris distributed all over the place.
00:45:50
They're not there and would have caused more serious injuries and different injuries on the bodies.
00:45:55
Then over 100 expeditions to the region have been there since, and they've been there before, and none of them ever reported conditions that would create an avalanche, especially in February.
00:46:05
like maybe later when the snow is melting and shit but not in February okay also they were all
00:46:10
experienced skiers and experienced hikers and experienced in this type of terrain so it's
00:46:14
really unlikely that they would have set up a camp you know they would have known about avalanche
00:46:20
things risk thank you sure so blah um and then the footprints of course okay so I'm not feeling
00:46:29
the avalanche theory yeah it's the most obvious one and it's like the simple one it answers the
00:46:35
compression injuries, which are the scariest because they're the most mysterious. So it's
00:46:40
like going, here's this clear natural occurrence. Right. Right. So you've got your scientists,
00:46:45
they're like, it's clearly this, but then I know. Especially when only four of the bodies have that
00:46:50
injury. Like that's weird too, that there's nine of them and they all kind of have different issues.
00:46:55
The next one is the katabatic wind. All right. Okay. In 2019, a Swedish Russian expedition was made to the site. And the investigators proposed that a violent catabatic
00:47:10
wind is the explanation. The winds are a rare wind rush that rushes down elevated slopes at
00:47:17
hurricane speeds and can be extremely violent and was implicated in a similar case in Sweden,
00:47:23
where eight hikers died in 1978 after the aftermath of this kind of wind. And the topography of these locations are similar to that expedition. So it's like these
00:47:33
hurricane like winds that fucking sweep down the mountain. Isn't that just the Lord?
00:47:42
Isn't everything just the Lord? Isn't everything at the end of the day? Hallelujah.
00:47:48
Tambourine time. Yeah. I mean, God, it's just like, but what other place I would just like to read other things about that thing
00:47:57
happening to other people aside from one other thing. I'm because. Right. But it did kill people.
00:48:01
And it would explain. OK, it would explain why they had to get out of the tent and couldn't unzip it and had to.
00:48:06
And then also walking slowly. They're walking against the wind. Oh, right. Yeah.
00:48:11
I just thought of that. Yeah, that is good. I'm fucking smart. Also, when they're later stuck in a box.
00:48:16
What if this is death by mime? Sorry. Very disrespectful. This whole thing, though, is tensing me up real good.
00:48:24
Real good. Because it feels like they went out into an area that they thought they knew to do the thing they knew.
00:48:30
And then something X-Files style happened to them. And it's just like so it's like these photos of them going on like the beginning of a hike.
00:48:37
They're these like they're having fun. They're posing. They're all adorable, like young people who are, you know, starting their lives out and just doing this this fun adventure.
00:48:46
Yeah. And then like you look at these photos, of course, which is what I always do.
00:48:49
And like you're going to die. It's so sad. And in a weird, mysterious way. Yeah, and everyone's going to talk about you for the next fucking, how many years is that?
00:48:58
Quite some time. Many years. 70? Oh, and the other weird thing was there was a flashlight left, turned on, on top of the tent.
00:49:08
So maybe they left it there so that they could find their way back when they needed to.
00:49:12
Then maybe that's why he climbed that tree to look for the flashlight. Where's the light?
00:49:16
Then maybe you could see it. Okay, the next one is infrasound. I like this one. Okay.
00:49:22
So this is popularized by Donnie Iker's 2013 book about this called Dead Mountain.
00:49:29
It's called Dead Mountain. And that is the wind going around. There's a wind that's called Caraman Vortex Street.
00:49:37
Don't ask me anything. Street as in avenue? Yes. Okay. So it's a repeating pattern of swirling vortices.
00:49:44
Vortices, sure. Yeah. A great word. Yeah. Caused by a process known as vortex shedding.
00:49:51
So it's basically this little, I think the last podcast on the left called it tiny tornadoes.
00:49:55
Okay. It's this rare weather phenomenon that can produce infrasound, which is vibrations in the air, which are too low for humans to hear, but they're capable of inducing panic attacks in humans.
00:50:08
So think of when you get really close to like a box fan and it's like, you hear it all weird.
00:50:13
It's like that, but times, but the Lord did it. Okay. You know what I mean? It's coming from every direction.
00:50:18
That's right. And it's whipping up your. Yeah. Like there's something in their central nervous system freaks the fuck out and you have these panic attacks and freak out.
00:50:27
Yeah. So that's why you would get out and run. That makes sense. Or walk. Yeah. It's something bad's about to happen.
00:50:31
You've got to go. Right. So Donnie Eicher claims that because of their panic, the hikers left their tent by whatever means necessary, cutting open and fled down the slope.
00:50:42
But by the time they were further down the hill, they would have been out of the infrasound's path.
00:50:46
they would have regained their composure and they would have tried to go back. But the darkness wouldn't have allowed them to.
00:50:54
So the traumatic injuries suffered by the three victims that were the other victims.
00:51:00
In the ravine? Was the result, he says, of them stumbling over the ledge of the ravine in the darkness and landing on the rocks at the bottom.
00:51:06
Wouldn't that cause like a lot of cuts and shit? I guess one of them did have that.
00:51:11
You would think. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows? That's awful. So basically a thing that no one's really familiar with happens, this natural phenomenon that makes everyone just freak out and run.
00:51:23
Yeah. And then or walk because it has to be walk. Oh, right. I know. Troubling. OK.
00:51:30
OK. The other one is military tests. And I wrote it goes all the way to the top of the USSR.
00:51:35
Thank you. Thank you. OK. So there's another hiking group camping about 30 miles from the Diet Love team on the same night as the incident.
00:51:44
The group said that at night they saw strange orange orbs floating in the sky in the area.
00:51:51
And some suggest could have been a distant explosion. Okay, so there's like a lot of different facets to this.
00:51:57
It's possible that the DietLob team accidentally stumbled into a USSR testing ground where a concussive weapon or perhaps a parachute mine exercise was taking place.
00:52:09
And so I read all about parachute mines and World War Two. They were these mines that instead of dropping to the ground and exploding and therefore the buildings around it would have cushioned the explosion.
00:52:19
They exploded in the air so they could take over the fuck. They could take a better chunk of this shit out.
00:52:25
Oh, yeah. War. It's really terrible. Also, the well, I saw a special on I think the news or say like Nightline or something about those concussive sound guns.
00:52:39
That stop people in their tracks. Yeah. Because it's like you can't. The force of the sound wave.
00:52:45
The force of the sound controls people. I think that's it. That's insane. Yeah. And that's super real.
00:52:50
That's like that was a thing of like how to control crowds. Yeah. And we're talking about during the Cold War.
00:52:55
Yeah. And these are fucking weaponized things that people are making. That they need to test.
00:53:00
Yeah. That they're doing and they would do it out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah.
00:53:03
Right. Yeah. Um, so, uh, this theory alleges that the hikers were woken by a loud explosion and ran out of their tent in a panic without shoes or clothing or anything like that.
00:53:14
And then some members froze to death attempting to run from it or walk from it. And others, uh, others were then injured fatally by the subsequent parachute mine concussions.
00:53:27
So that's how those people got those, those, you know, deep wounds. And it would make sense, the walking in that one, because if it's the sound one, you can't, it stops you from being able to, your senses get scrambled.
00:53:43
Moving and walking is hard. Yeah, exactly. I think it's that one. I think it's something like that, some military testing.
00:53:51
Which is why they want to keep it secret so bad because basically they like oops we killed nine people because we were testing our screwed up weird shit Yeah And we don want to get blamed for it Exactly There are records of parachute mines being tested in the Soviet military in the area around the time the hikers were there as well
00:54:10
And parachute mines can cause injuries similar to those experienced by the hikers.
00:54:14
Heavy internal damage with comparably less internal trauma. External trauma. External, yeah.
00:54:21
And because they detonate in the air, those sightings of the glowing orbs floating or falling from the sky make sense.
00:54:27
Okay. And one of the last photos in the role of one of the hikers doesn't make any sense.
00:54:34
And it's the spookiest thing you've ever seen. It just looks like, and there's a couple other ones that, so, okay.
00:54:40
One of the hikers who ran off with not a lot of clothing on died with a camera around his neck.
00:54:46
So they left behind their shoes. They left behind a knife, left behind all their shit.
00:54:51
But he took a fucking camera. Okay. And on that roll, they're all overexposed. And you can't really see what they are because of the damage to the camera.
00:54:57
But some people think that they can see things that it looks like he's pointing the photo to the sky, taking photos of flashes in the sky.
00:55:04
And there's one other camera that has at the very end some weird photo that looks like a flash in the sky.
00:55:11
If you want to look at it like that. Okay. Okay. That's very interesting. Isn't it?
00:55:15
Yes. So maybe one of them walked out and they're like, you guys come out, you have to see this.
00:55:19
They all walk out. Then it turns out to be this thing. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The person that goes out with the camera is kind of calm because it's like, oh, what's
00:55:27
this? Yeah. And then all hell breaks loose. Exactly. So and it also is like maybe they walked out of their tent just to look at what it was
00:55:34
and then they had to take off with the tree line. Right. So that's why they didn't have the clothes on.
00:55:38
Or shoes. Yes. But also like wouldn't they sleep in their clothes? Am I just. I mean, maybe.
00:55:44
Maybe. It's like maybe they shed them. Yeah. Who knows? I don't know. It's or if they're all in one tent.
00:55:54
Yeah. And it's like nine people in a tent. That's going to create a heat that then they don't need to sleep in their clothes.
00:56:00
Well, also on that note, there was a homemade stove in the tent. Oh, with them. Oh, no.
00:56:07
So the YouTube video, the YouTube guy that I found called Let Me Know. he thinks that there was a fire in the tent and there's actually a photo um from like the day
00:56:20
before of one of the guys who like jokingly put on this burnt up jacket so maybe there had been a
00:56:26
fire in the tent previously from the stove yeah and then it caught on fire again or and some of
00:56:31
the some of them had burn marks on them as well well because also if it's um like a kerosene stove
00:56:38
They could have been maybe gassed a little bit. Right. Like gotten high off of some weird gerosene leak or some carbon monoxide poisoning.
00:56:46
I guess something that would do that to you. I don't know if they're stove. Also, the two words together, homemade stove, don't exactly make me feel great.
00:56:55
In a fucking canvas tent with all these people and clothing and shit. Small space, homemade stove.
00:57:00
Who wants marshmallows? Get away. Indoors. No. The last photo taken is weird. So some people also think that it's a UFO.
00:57:11
Like it looks like a glowing orb in the sky. And in fact, the Nancy hunters, the local hunters, had drawn pictures of flying spheres, you know, around their fucking, had drawn pictures of flying spheres and shit.
00:57:24
So, of course, these UFOs could just be part of the Soviet space program or a rocket and subsequently something happened to them.
00:57:33
So it doesn't have to be an alien. But I think it's aliens. Could be. Yeah. So there's a theory of radiological weapons and yetis, but I don't buy it.
00:57:41
What's the theory? Come on. I don't know that there's yetis. And there's one creepy photo that looks like, okay, to me, who doesn't believe in the shit?
00:57:50
It's a guy, one of them walked off the path to pee and is far away and it's just his shadow.
00:57:56
Looks like a fucking yeti. Yeah. Is it white? No, it's like all in dark clothes.
00:58:01
So it almost also could look like a hunter coming after, like stalking them. And they got one photo of it.
00:58:05
Oh, Stephen has it. Stephen. Ooh. I mean, that's classic Bigfoot action right there.
00:58:13
It's like a Bigfoot stance. It looks very Bigfoot-y, but you're right. It could also be a guy in a snowsuit.
00:58:19
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Because the picture above is a guy in a snowsuit, and it's basically a blurry version of that picture.
00:58:28
But... The photos themselves are just the creepy... Oh, no. It adds a creepy element.
00:58:33
Now she's scrolling. Yeah, sorry. No, you're right. It's so horrifying. What do you think? Do you see the last one, the sphere one? No, let me see. Top or bow? Oh, vortex. Vortex pictures. Oh, there's your sphere. Got it. I mean, this is rabbit hole territory. Yes, it is. Like, good luck, everyone. And I'm sorry.
00:58:57
well and also now i'm looking at there's graphs of how like avalanches work right and the shapes of
00:59:05
what things end up oh my god there are graphs there are powerpoint presentations there are
00:59:09
fucking 100 000 videos that you can find that explain whatever that wants to be explained yeah
00:59:14
and in february 2019 it was announced what sorry but there's just there's a picture of one of the
00:59:22
native people. I'm trying to find what their name is. Mansi. The Mansi people. And she's holding what looks like a cartoon mushroom,
00:59:31
red cap with white dots on it. And she's wearing a red shirt with white dots on it.
00:59:37
They dress like it. It's like a symbolic thing when they go mushroom hunting. Totally.
00:59:41
Yeah. That's, yeah. So they could have just like taken drugs and freaked out in the tent.
00:59:45
And like, I freaked out on drugs before. And I was like at my own home. This, this, it's all,
00:59:51
it like a bleeding into a kind of Midsommar territory of like being just out in nature and on drugs And then what happened This is why we always tell you stay at home Stay in the city in an apartment There so much good like Friday night television
01:00:06
Yeah. Stay calm and then near the phone so you can call 911 on yourself and go to jail.
01:00:11
When you freak out on drugs. In February 2019, it was announced that the Russian authorities were reopening the investigation.
01:00:18
So this past February. Oh my God. I know. But they're only allowing for three possible explanations to be considered an avalanche, a quote, snow slab avalanche or a hurricane, which hurricane makes sense to the possibility of a crime has been completely discounted.
01:00:34
And as I said, there's there's over 60 known versions and theories of what transpired that night.
01:00:40
But it still remains a mystery. And that is the mysterious Diet Love Pass. Amazing.
01:00:46
oh i'm like a little bit worked up right now oh my god because i feel a little sweaty i know it's
01:00:54
like i don't like i don't like the idea that all those people died and nobody knows why and and
01:01:02
nobody like because here's the thing i feel like those scientific theories it's a vortices yeah
01:01:09
you know a hurricane it's this tiny tornadoes yeah like i feel like well then if if you love
01:01:15
your scientific theory so much prove it to be true or not true yeah the way science works yeah
01:01:20
but it's been so many years and no one's done that and the idea that the government this
01:01:25
government could be hiding shit and know what happens yes happened it pull and then let's go
01:01:31
all the way into my cryptozoology area where we don't know what's in the mountains we don't know
01:01:36
what's in we don't we haven't been out there long enough or far enough and if the native people are
01:01:41
like we draw pictures of these things they have been out there listen yeti's just another name for
01:01:46
a snow gorilla yeah nothing and another word for nothing left to lose that's right
01:01:50
no gorilla is that right that's kind of what they are yeah they think so no i think you're right on that was great thank you
01:01:59
next next week i'm doing a fucking easy one because what does it have russian names in it
01:02:05
i mean those pronunciations were they were tough but i feel like we're not on we're not
01:02:11
in Russia yet so we're not gonna get a ton of shit and I did the Roman arms and no one gave me shit
01:02:16
so as far as I know I feel like the Russians aren't really like that you know what I mean who
01:02:21
like listen to podcasts yeah they're like people who are of Russian descent they're like big
01:02:25
pictures they're like yeah there's more going on in the world I have to calm down a little bit
01:02:28
because I just want to know that's what all those shows and things and theories and um I just want
01:02:35
to know the truth and the answer do you though I was thinking today that like I kind of don't
01:02:39
What if it's so boring? I mean, oftentimes it is. Yeah. But I feel like in those ones where they don't put it to bed, when it is boring and they figure it out, they just release it.
01:02:48
No one pays attention. It goes away. But in those ones where they don't or this like I remember when I first read about this and it was like, this is proof that aliens came down and zapped everybody and all this weird shit that it's like, no, a lot of, you know, then it was like, oh, well, then we all learn that when you have hypothermia, you get really hot.
01:03:09
And you take your clothes off and go out into the elements and you end up dying because you don't actually have an internal system anymore.
01:03:17
And you fall down a ravine. And that's why I think what if they already we already do know the answer and it's avalanche, but we will never accept it.
01:03:24
No matter what, everyone's going to be like, well, that doesn't prove why they did this or why they did that.
01:03:28
But it's like a fucking it's a it's an investigation report from the fucking 1959.
01:03:33
Yeah, but I feel like the point, the simple point of all of those skis were up and around.
01:03:40
Like that would have avalanches. When I go to the dentist, this this thing that's basically a screensaver that plays and it's like all different things in nature.
01:03:49
And I watched it so many times. And one of them is an avalanche. And it makes me laugh every time because I'm like, I don't think this should be on.
01:03:58
Like, it's nice to watch a guy climb a huge redwood tree. Is it the avalanche where like it's behind a skier?
01:04:04
No. Then I would have a panic attack. I see those and I'm like, this isn't fun for anyone.
01:04:10
Except for that skier. You know, they're skier who drop, they drop into it. Like they're like extreme skiers, I believe.
01:04:16
Stephen's nodding his head yes. Right. He's an extreme ski watcher. Stephen and I are super X Games extreme people.
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I'm about to tell you the story of Dr. Linda Hazard and the Starvation Heights. Do you know this one?
01:06:14
Yes, I started reading the book. Oh, the book is so good. Yeah. Oh, okay. Good fucking pick.
01:06:20
Well, and here's why I was excited. because I've read the book Starvation Heights by Greg Olson, which is one of my main sources.
01:06:28
And when I realized that I actually have read the book and yet I haven't done it,
01:06:33
it was like a miracle. I love that. It was like a gift from God. I was like, wait, I know this one.
01:06:39
I love it and I hate it at the same time because I'm like, damn it. Why didn't I fucking do that one?
01:06:43
I know. It's good. But here's the thing. If you haven't read this book, Starvation Heights by Greg 2G's Olson with an E,
01:06:49
You have to read it because this story, I can't get into all the details of this, the experiences of the people who went to Star Vision Heights.
01:06:58
It's so nuts. It's so nuts. And it is, it has everything. This story has everything.
01:07:05
It's because it's, she's basically a cult leader. But then it also is like weird eating disorder issues and weird kind of, I have these problems and I'm going to decide this will solve everything.
01:07:19
and I'll commit to it even past the point where it's okay. Or I'm so wealthy that I have nothing else to do with my money and time.
01:07:26
And so I'm going to go trust these people to fix me. For real. And it's old timey too.
01:07:30
So it's like... All the good stuff. Yeah. Okay, we'll get into it. Let's do it. So read the book Starvation Heights by Greg Olson.
01:07:38
Also, Jay found a great article that's from Smithsonian Magazine. It was written by Bess Lovejoy and it's from 2014.
01:07:46
2014. It's called The Doctor Who Starved Her Patients to Death. So we'll start. This is early
01:07:51
1911. During their stay at the Empress Hotel in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada,
01:07:59
sisters Dorothea and Claire Williamson see an advertisement for Dr. Linda Hazard's self-published
01:08:05
book, Fasting for the Cure of Disease. And they're very intrigued. These sisters are wealthy British
01:08:12
orphans who are in their 30s and they've inherited their father's massive estate and they're also
01:08:19
some might say hypochondriacs um dorothea complains of swollen glands and rheumatic pains
01:08:26
while claire has been diagnosed with a dropped uterus oh and don't don't look it up it's not
01:08:33
it's not uh very nice so so i wouldn't call her hypochondriac if that was really what was
01:08:38
happening to her. But basically, they're people who don't feel healthy. And they're looking for
01:08:45
answers. And they've been doing it for a while. And they'd already adopted several for the time
01:08:51
alternative health regimens, like not eating red meat and not wearing corsets. So their family
01:08:57
thought they were crazy. Of course, it's why you have a dropped uterus, probably, right?
01:09:02
I wouldn't feel good either right no it's horrible so this wellness trend like you're saying
01:09:10
it was very popular for the leisure class and for rich people turn of the century America
01:09:16
whether it was taking the waters at a spa built around a natural spring colonic that was like a
01:09:22
big oh I got a moth oh yeah that's good luck put this in a box put it in a box no no it's good luck
01:09:30
what are you doing here Where did you come from? Could I use your phone, please?
01:09:37
Hello. My name is Ned. I'm a moth. Okay. Spa built around natural spring waters.
01:09:44
Or checking into Dr. Kellogg's Battle Creek Sanatorium. Where cornflakes were invented.
01:09:50
Rich people were very willing to spend money on getting well. And there was no shortage of magnetic hucksters who would claim to hold the cure that ails them.
01:10:02
So this was a big thing because there was no laws set up in turn of the century America.
01:10:09
So you could basically be like, hey, I've just I just put this oil together and it's castor oil with some lead in it.
01:10:18
And that's going to cure your acne and a touch of heroin just for fun. Right. And all they had to do apparently was they had to trademark the shape of the bottle so that you could tell one from the other.
01:10:29
But this is why we're going mudlarking when we're in fucking England. We're going to find those fucking bottles.
01:10:33
Yeah. And then we'll know for which, where everything's from. Yeah. Cause we're smart.
01:10:37
Yeah. And we'll look it up. But essentially this was very common practice. And kind of anybody who had the gumption to be like, this will cure you.
01:10:47
Now some, some places do like there, you know, those natural springs where it's like there's copper in the water and now my arthritis is gone.
01:10:55
Don't not eating a lot of red meat is good. Bran is good for you. Bran's good. Apparently cornflakes are good.
01:11:01
Yeah. The occasional enema? Abso-fucking-tively. Not the daily. No, no, no. Okay, so this was common.
01:11:09
And it's according to the Smithsonian article, the practice of fasting experienced a revival in the late 19th century because it was from ancient times.
01:11:26
There's like, you know, old philosophers would be like, yeah, just stop eating for a while and it'll set you right.
01:11:31
Oh, you mean intermittent fasting? Yeah. That's all popular today. That's all the rage today.
01:11:36
But, you know, and there's a truth to it. Like clean out your system, get rid of your toxins, detox, ease up on dairy and red meat and all the things, and you will feel better.
01:11:47
but there was in the late 19th century a doctor named Edward Dewey wrote a book called
01:11:53
The True Science of Living in which he said that quote every disease that afflicts mankind
01:11:58
develops from more or less habitual eating in excess of the supply of gastric. Oh,
01:12:04
and in excess of the supply of gastric juices. So basically he was selling the idea that it all has to do with that.
01:12:13
And that, so basically fasting was the solution to everything. So Dr. Linda hazard who had no formal medical degree,
01:12:23
but she somehow, because there was a, there was this weird loophole in the law in Washington state where if you had,
01:12:32
they grandfathered in all these people that had, so she was, she had a degree as a fasting specialist given to her by the state of Washington.
01:12:41
And then this loophole started where that basically meant she had a medical degree,
01:12:46
even though she had no true formal training, like didn't graduate from a medical school.
01:12:52
Right. So in 1908, Linda Hazard writes this book called Fasting for the Cure of Disease.
01:12:58
And in it, she writes, quote, appetite is craving. Hunger is desire. Craving is never satisfied, but desire is relieved when want is supplied.
01:13:09
Hmm. Which is also my favorite Depeche Mode lyric. So true. Old school jokes. That's good.
01:13:17
Essentially, Linda Hazard's theory of detoxing through fasting, it isn't new, but it very much appeals to the Williamson sisters as this could be the cure for because they've tried tons of other stuff.
01:13:30
And also they read about the Institute of Natural Therapeutics, which is Dr. Hazard's institute, her sanatorium in Alala, Washington.
01:13:41
And so they believe it to be a relaxing sanctuary in the wilderness. And so in February of 1911, the Williamson sisters traveled to Seattle for a consultation with Dr. Hazard.
01:13:55
When they arrived, Dr. Hazard interviews the sisters and then breaks the news to them that the institute in Alala is still being built.
01:14:06
So she says, you definitely need to start this regiment. It's going to fix everything.
01:14:12
But you can't go to Alala right now. So you need to get an apartment here in Seattle in Capitol Hill.
01:14:17
and start coming to my office and start the treatments and then we'll eventually transfer you up to the institute in the forest.
01:14:25
Sometimes too much money is too much money. I mean, and also just the idea that they were just at like the most beautiful hotel in British Columbia.
01:14:33
And then they're like, oh, let's go diet. Let's go diet in Seattle. And then this insanely tragic, horrible thing starts happening to them.
01:14:43
um and that is basically oh and and this is the this is another piece a terrible piece of the
01:14:51
puzzle um dorothea and claire don't tell their family that they're going to do this because the
01:14:57
family's already really critical of their homeopathic remedies and their unorthodox
01:15:02
approach to their health so the family is already going stop spending money on this shit and you're
01:15:07
being crazy so they're like oh we're just going to go do this and they'll just think we're traveling
01:15:11
Right. So that's like, that's a red flag that you need to pay attention to yourself if you don't want to tell your friends and family about what you're about to do.
01:15:19
Yeah, that's a problem. But figure out somebody to tell. Yeah. Because somebody needs to know where you are.
01:15:25
Yeah. So even if you're being a super weirdo and you're like, I decided what's going to cure me is I'm going to shoot up heroin five times a day.
01:15:31
Yeah. Write a note to your best friend from junior high and just be like, hey, can you keep this on the books just in case?
01:15:38
Here's my dealer's number. Yeah. It's important. So Linda Hazard puts the Williamson sisters on her fasting program, which consists of a cup of broth made from canned tomatoes twice a day and hours long enema sessions in bathtubs that are covered with canvas that hold them upright in case they faint.
01:16:00
What? Hours long. Hours long. Enemas with, I think it said 12 to 13 quarts of water.
01:16:09
Like insane. oh my very unhealthy very bad for you um that sounds exhausting horrifying and also then so
01:16:18
what they're sitting in bathrooms filled with shit and then covered like saran wrap style on top it's
01:16:25
horrifying they're also given dr hazard gives them stomach massages that are so rough they're
01:16:32
more like beatings and as she basically pounds on their abdomen she yells eliminate eliminate
01:16:38
eliminate oh so it's all a bit abusive it sounds like a what's it called when they try to get rid
01:16:46
of the satan inside of you what's an exorcism yeah yes it's a shit exorcism um it is and also
01:16:56
it's the kind of thing where when someone is like i'm a doctor i have the answer we're going to start
01:17:00
doing this they um apparently dr hazard was very controlling and domineering but very convincing
01:17:07
to the point where there's some people who thought that she was involved with the occult
01:17:12
because she they thought she could like hypnotize people into doing her program and not quitting
01:17:17
her program yeah but i think in reality leaders like they're just good at that shit yeah they're
01:17:21
psychopaths yeah so they're it's like i i think she i think she wants the best for me and she
01:17:26
seems like so passionate about and she knows what's best what's more comforting than the
01:17:31
person that's like come this way i have the answer everybody wants that those people are
01:17:36
lying to you. And here's how you know they're lying to you. Because during the beating sessions
01:17:41
and during the shitting sessions, Dr. Hazard would make small talk and basically got all
01:17:47
the information about the Williamson sisters' wealth and all the assets they held. And eventually,
01:17:53
Dr Hazard offers to store their valuables jewelry and property deeds in her personal safe No no no no no no In her office yeah But the sisters trust Dr Hazard and as that process goes along
01:18:08
they really feel like they're being cured, which, like, in all the times that I've done my no sugar, no flour dieting
01:18:14
and all the super extreme dieting, I think lots of people have this experience, there is what they call the pink cloud phase,
01:18:22
where you go through it and you when you don't have all that stuff in your system and you are
01:18:26
losing the weight and you're getting clean you do get like a weird natural high off of it and if
01:18:32
the right person comes along to basically sphingali you in that time yeah you get hooked on it because
01:18:39
then you're like i've solved all my problems right all i need to do is only drink canned
01:18:44
tomato soup it's working quote unquote like quote unquote yeah yeah um tomato soup broth
01:18:50
Yeah. So let's talk about Dr. Quote unquote, Linda Hazzard. I'm just going to keep saying quote unquote all the time. So Linda Laura Burfield is born to Montgomery and Susanna Burfield in Carver, Minnesota. On December 18th, 1867, she's one of eight children.
01:19:08
In 1885, she's 18. She gets married and has two children. 14 years later, in 1898, she abandons her family and moves to Minneapolis to pursue a career in medicine as an osteopathic nurse.
01:19:21
So right when her children are young teens, she's like, I don't know, I think I've changed my mind and moves away to be a nurse.
01:19:30
Thanks. Thanks, Linda. Okay. So in 1902, a patient of Linda passes away in her care.
01:19:37
The coroner determines that the patient's death is caused by starvation. And that coroner tries to get Linda prosecuted.
01:19:44
But Linda isn't a licensed doctor, so she can't be held legally responsible. Holy shit.
01:19:50
Yeah. So after the patient dies, the family comes to claim the body and discovers that expensive rings that that that patient had are missing from the body.
01:20:00
And when they ask about the rings, Linda doesn't give a straight answer. and it's it's suspicious but they never push it any further which is another sign that she's a
01:20:11
psychopath because clearly she's convinced them or made them feel like they can't ask questions or
01:20:17
it's not their place or something well the whole thing like even calling yourself a doctor just
01:20:22
gives people you know they feel like you're superior it's status and you trust them more
01:20:28
Yes, it's status and power. And I'm sure if she became a nurse, she was around doctors and knew how to mimic that kind of behavior of, you know, like dispassionate, judgmental. I'm smarter than you. I know better than you.
01:20:42
So you love doctors? I. Yeah, it's like that one doctor. You just did. You did. It's my it's my guy. Yeah.
01:20:51
The 17 year old doctor. You love him. The New Life, New Hope. I was just telling my friend about that story.
01:20:58
I'm like, have you ever heard about the 18-year-old that opened his own medical clinic?
01:21:02
And then I bored her about when she could have just listened to the episode or so.
01:21:07
Okay, so two years later, after all that happens and she gets away scot-free with killing somebody,
01:21:13
in 1904, she meets and marries a West Point graduate named Samuel Christmas Hazard.
01:21:19
Yes. It sounds like a fun name, but this guy's no good. No. He was on a promising military career track, but it ended after he was caught embezzling army funds.
01:21:32
So two psychopaths meet each other and they're like, cling, cling, cling. Kill the world.
01:21:38
Psychopaths meet cute. Yeah. Hi, I love you. I love you. Let's kill everybody. Okay.
01:21:46
So Sam has a reputation for being a drunk, a lecture and a swindler. Fun. And Linda's like, me too.
01:21:54
Um, and he's been married twice before. And by the time he marries Linda, his third wife, he's only gotten divorced from one of his two previous wives. So he ends up getting arrested for bigamy and is found guilty. He has to serve a two year prison sentence for it.
01:22:10
So in 1906, he's released from prison and he and Linda moved to a 40 acre property in Alala, Washington for a fresh start.
01:22:18
This will be the property and the place that eventually will become Starvation Heights.
01:22:25
And that's what the locals call it. She called it Wilderness Heights Sanatorium, I believe.
01:22:35
Starvation Heights has a ring to it. Starvation Heights is what the locals called it.
01:22:39
And apparently the kids in Olala were scared to go up there. But then when they would, like people, they would dare each other or something.
01:22:46
They would get up there and then watch the people who are staying there wander around and fall down because they couldn't even walk across the grounds because they were so start.
01:22:57
They were starving so terribly. Okay, so now Linda, because she's been grandfathered in with her fasting expert medical license that now counts as a medical license.
01:23:15
She takes the ferry to Seattle every day for work. And then she finally achieves her dream of building her own sanitarium.
01:23:24
um so in 1908 she writes the book fasting for the cure of disease and that book promotes the idea
01:23:32
that fasting can cure any disease including cancer so people all around the country start coming to uh
01:23:41
to take this cure basically and to um start doing her her system so that they can be cured of the
01:23:48
disease they have. So it a special kind of psychopath that taking advantage of the already sick Totally hideous So one such traveler was a woman named Daisy Haglund She was the daughter of wealthy Norwegian immigrants
01:24:06
and she sought out Linda's guidance for healthier living in early 1908. Linda directs Daisy to fast for 50 days, which you can't do.
01:24:18
You can't do it. No. It shrinks your brain. The impact on your body is terrible after even a short amount of time of starving yourself.
01:24:27
50 days, it's like almost no one can survive it. So on February 26, 1908, at the end of her 50-day fast, Daisy dies of starvation at 38 years old.
01:24:39
Oh, my God. Leaving behind a three-year-old son named Ivar. Oh, yeah. She would be the first person in Washington to die under Linda's care, and there will be many more.
01:24:49
Oh, my God. So people would later describe Linda Hazard as domineering, controlling and hypnotic.
01:24:55
And they believe she dabbled in the occult and basically gained her power from the devil because they couldn't explain why people would basically continue to do this system where they were being beaten and given enemas daily and being starved.
01:25:10
Yeah. Like it just didn't. No one could really explain it. Yeah. And paying her for it.
01:25:14
And paying her for it while she was draining them and stealing from them. draining their bank accounts and stealing from them.
01:25:21
She sounds a lot like H.H. Holmes almost. Yes, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, but it's, what's weird is like that thing, and maybe it's that, it's the women psychopaths,
01:25:31
that thing of pretending you're a caretaker when you're actually the opposite. Right.
01:25:36
It's especially creepy. And it's like the patient's choice to be there. So. So it's good gaslighting material.
01:25:44
Yeah. Yep. It's like, you wanted this, you're paying me, it's my system. And in the book, I remember there was all these things where she would say when people would say, like, this is too hard or I really I have terrible headaches.
01:25:55
Or when they would complain, she would then basically yell at them about how they were weak and spoiled and they needed to finally do something good for themselves.
01:26:03
Like she'd really always use them against themselves in the worst way. So another patient under Linda's care, Ida Wilcox, dies in 1908.
01:26:14
In 1909, two more deaths follow. Blanche B. Tindall and Viola Heaton. And in 1910, Maude Whitney, Frank Southerd, C.A. Harrison,
01:26:28
Ivan Flux. Oh my God. Yeah, they all die in 1910. And then Earl Edward Erdman dies in 1911. And Linda Hazard had,
01:26:37
there's so many people that already died under her care. And newspaper reporters started talking
01:26:42
about it. There was a headline that said, woman MD kills another patient. So like, people were
01:26:48
aware. Yeah, but there was no, there was no open investigation or anything like actively happening.
01:26:55
So Earl Erdman's death prompts the Seattle Daily Times to write an article about Dr. Hazard.
01:27:00
And the headline read, woman MD kills another patient. Holy shit. Yeah. Then still in 1911,
01:27:07
a former legislator and a magazine publisher named Lewis Ellsworth Rader goes to Dr. Hazard
01:27:12
and to take the fasting cure. But because of his high social status in Seattle, the general public is paying very close attention to the fact that Rader is fasting. And they all
01:27:27
see how he's withering away because of the fasting. So the authorities are called to
01:27:31
investigate the doctor. But when they talk to Rader, he refuses to testify against her or take
01:27:37
help from anyone in any way. And he tells everyone the fasting is helping him. Eventually, he dies
01:27:45
too. He is six feet, almost six feet tall, and he weighs under 100 pounds at the time of his death.
01:27:52
Are you fucking kidding me? They literally just starve to death under her care. Oh, my God.
01:27:58
So at this point, 10 people have died on Dr. Hazard's watch, all of them from starvation after being prompted to fast for 50 days.
01:28:06
This is her plan. And it's killing everyone that basically everyone that does it.
01:28:10
Sticking to it. Right. There are a couple people that don't die from it. And they are such vocal advocates that they're, you know, it is the balance that she's using to kind of cover all this.
01:28:23
Yeah. But I mean, people are dropping dead. Okay. So all of these people are found like by the coroner to die, have died from starvation.
01:28:33
But in some of the cases, because it's Dr. Hazard did the autopsy. Oh, wait, what?
01:28:38
She will do the autopsy and she will say that the cause of death is something like cirrhosis of the liver.
01:28:46
And so she always finds that it was something that it was a preexisting condition, basically, and that the starving was the fasting.
01:28:54
I'm sorry, was curing it. but then it just took over yeah it was too late it just took over yeah so that the basically she
01:29:01
really is using that doctor thing yeah to get away with so much crazy shit i mean how does she
01:29:05
even know how to do a fucking autopsy if she's a starvation doctor well if she studied to be a nurse
01:29:10
she must know a little something you know it's just enough to yeah just enough to cover so um
01:29:18
so as i said despite the death toll linda's medical theories have a cult following i think
01:29:23
underline the word cult. And Linda's personality is so domineering that few people ever dare to
01:29:29
question her methods or disobey her orders. Seattle's health director at the time is called
01:29:35
to put a stop to Linda Hazard's dangerous medical practice. But because Dr. Hazard has her license
01:29:42
to practice, and because her patients willingly seek this cure, there's nothing that they can do
01:29:49
about it officially until April of 1911. So at this point Dorothea and Claire Williamson have been on their starvation diet for two months They both gaunt and delirious from fasting And this is when Dr Hazard has her lawyer get a signature from Claire amending her will
01:30:11
And it grants Dr. Hazard 25 pounds a year to be paid and full control over Claire's body if she passes away.
01:30:19
Very odd thing to amend someone else's will to say. Yeah. So and meanwhile, the sisters are absolutely suffering and they're starving.
01:30:32
They've lost tons of weight. They're delirious. They can't really they can't defend themselves from from Dr.
01:30:39
Hazard when she comes over to come on. It's more treatments. They can't do anything about it.
01:30:43
Weak at that point. Yeah. And but they're they're trying to protest. And this is when Dr. Hazard says, oh, now the sanitarium in Alala is all ready for you.
01:30:55
And we're going to take a trip down there. So they decide to do that. Alala is about, on Google Maps, it was a little over an hour southwest of Seattle.
01:31:07
Okay. But I bet it would take longer back then. And at this point, both sisters weigh about 70 pounds.
01:31:14
Holy shit. And the pictures are very disturbing. If you look up the pictures. There's pictures, there's photos, and it honestly looks like weird, like mannequins that people have dressed up for Halloween.
01:31:26
They're so gaunt and frightening. Yeah. It's really horrible. They look like they're dead, basically.
01:31:32
Yeah. So although the sisters have kept the entire endeavor a secret from the family, like I told you, they knew that the situation was starting to get dire.
01:31:43
So on April 30th, they sent a cable to their childhood nurse named Margaret Conway in Australia, asking her to come to Olala and help them.
01:31:53
And the message was so odd and like jumbled and weird that Margaret Conway realizes something terrible is going on.
01:32:01
And she immediately buys a ticket to Seattle to help find the sisters. It's going to take like two weeks.
01:32:07
It's going to take more than that. The journey from Sydney to Seattle takes a full month.
01:32:12
Oh. She arrives on June 1st, 1911, and Sam Hazard meets her at the station and brings her to Linda's office.
01:32:20
And that's when he breaks the news that Claire Williamson has died. So Margaret doesn't understand what's going on.
01:32:30
Then Sam takes her to Olala, to the sanatorium, to see Dorothea. And when she arrives there, she is beyond shocked at what she's looking at.
01:32:39
Dorothea is a shell of her former self. She's starved. She's delirious. And there she's living in this weird shack on the property. So this idea that they had and it really goes into it and start the book Starvation Heights. They really go into the description of how they keep it and what they're doing. But they basically would keep the patients away from each other. So everyone's kind of being starved, but they're separate. So no one can get together and then go someone you go get the sheriff or even like look at someone else and be like that person doesn't look well.
01:33:08
Yeah, exactly. Like if that's what they're doing, this is what I'm doing. This isn't good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's no ability to reflect and they're all under Dr. Hazard's control. Right. So when she does find Dorothea, Dorothea weighs 50 pounds. So it's just, I mean, it sounds impossible.
01:33:28
and yeah it it's it's horrifying it's the reason claire died and imagine being this nurse this
01:33:35
nanny i mean she must have been in her 60s or 70s she shows up to think oh they're doing some weird
01:33:41
diet yeah and she basically comes to find one of the sisters is dead and the other one is almost a
01:33:46
corpse plus this sanitarium that she's come to visit the other patients start coming up to her
01:33:54
I'm going, please help us get out of here. It is a fucking nightmare. It's a nightmare.
01:34:00
Someone needs to make this as a horror movie because Margaret's such a badass. So here's the thing.
01:34:05
Like you were talking about before, she's from the servant class. Right. So when she tries to take Dorothea out of there, the hazards say, no, absolutely you can't.
01:34:15
We're her doctor. She's signed over all control to us. You don't have any control.
01:34:20
and they basically show her paperwork that says we have legal guardianship over her and this was
01:34:27
these are her signatures and this is what she wants and get basically get out of here
01:34:32
so she's afraid to fight with them or confront them in the moment but she decides she realizes
01:34:41
that the sisters have an uncle named john herbert in portland oregon so she goes and
01:34:46
gets the uncle and is like, you got to get up here and you got to get these guys out of here.
01:34:52
So John Herbert comes to get Dorothea out of the hazards clutches, but they still refuse to let her
01:35:01
go unless they're compensated for getting her out of the sanitarium. So the uncle barters with the
01:35:09
hazards, ultimately paying a little less than $2,000 to save his niece. Oh my God, which in today's money
01:35:15
would be a lot. I don't know. Stephen, will you look it up? $2,000 in 1911. Sorry.
01:35:21
No, I didn't. I should have done it. I'm going to guess. I'm going to guess $140,000.
01:35:28
$140,000. What are you going to guess? $2,000? I'm going to guess $17,000. Wait, what was your guesses again?
01:35:34
George's is $60,000 minus $17,000. $54,000 and $12.21. Good one. Thank you. He has to pay $50,000.
01:35:45
to get his niece out of these lunatics. Okay. So they get her out. She lives, thank God.
01:35:52
And later in 1911, when Dorothea is safely back with her family, the Williamson's use their clout
01:35:58
with notable British politicians take legal action against Dr. Linda Hazard. The British Vice Council of Tacoma tries to get the county to prosecute Linda, but they
01:36:07
refuse saying they can't afford to press charges. They're all in her pocket. You know, if she's stealing from all these rich people, she's paying people off.
01:36:18
And they do say it goes into it more. But when she would, they would have like she she sometimes buried bodies on the property,
01:36:26
but she also sometimes sent them to a funeral home. And they said the funeral home was in cahoots with her.
01:36:32
For sure. And they said sometimes she would just go and dump the bodies off a cliff.
01:36:37
No. Yeah. Dorothea, however, pays the appropriate fees to make it happen because she's like, I don't care.
01:36:44
This is happening. So Dr. Linda Hazzard is arrested for the murder of Claire Williamson in August of 1911.
01:36:50
so Linda defends herself in court by saying that regular doctors were just jealous of her intelligence
01:36:57
and her success with naturopathic treatments I didn't realize what a vintage excuse that was
01:37:03
they're jealous of me through the ages you're just jealous and she also insists upon taking the stand
01:37:09
to testify on her own behalf classic psychopath but her lawyer says you can't you will ruin
01:37:20
this for yourself. But Dorothea Williamson testifies against Dr. Hazard. So she gets up
01:37:27
and tells the whole story. Throughout the trial, there's an overwhelming amount of evidence against
01:37:33
Dr. Hazard, including written records of her quote unquote treatments and the testimony from
01:37:39
Dorothea about the horrible conditions that she and all the other patients were kept in
01:37:43
and a paper trail showing how Linda routinely got delirious patients to sign over their wealth and
01:37:48
belongings to her in 1912 linda hazard is found guilty of manslaughter she serves two years in
01:37:56
prison and then is freed fucking shit yeah she gets a pardon from the governor no which is uh
01:38:01
more to my theory that she was paying everybody off but who knows um and then she and her husband
01:38:07
sam moved to new zealand to start over because apparently she had a big following in new zealand
01:38:13
So she went to where her quote unquote supporters were. And when she gets to New Zealand, she picks up right where she left off and offering treatment to patients and calling herself everything from a physician to a dietician to an osteopath.
01:38:30
But the health officials in New Zealand immediately cracked down on Linda. Her medical licenses stripped had been stripped after her trial.
01:38:39
So her medical practices in New Zealand are found unlawful. Um, so once this starts happening in New Zealand, she heads back to Alala.
01:38:49
Um, she has saved up enough money from the people she swindled in New Zealand and she
01:38:54
opens a new sanitarium, her dream sanitarium, a bigger one. And even though she's forbidden from practicing medicine, she markets the new one, the new
01:39:05
sanitarium as a school of health. so in 1927 she writes a second book called scientific fasting the ancient and modern key to hell she won get off it she will not fucking leave it alone and it garners even more fans for her um and she continues to treat patients
01:39:24
and starve them without calling herself a doctor um until 1935 when her sanitarium burns to the
01:39:32
ground what yeah i want it i bet like in my mind it's a bunch of rebellious fucking patients that
01:39:38
They're like, fuck this shit. Yeah. The people who lived were just like, they went, they had some pancakes.
01:39:43
They were like, we need to fucking get this lady out of here. The exact number of Linda's victims is still unknown, but there were definitely at least 12.
01:39:53
And it is believed up to 40 deaths attributed to her fasting regime. Finally, in 1938, Linda becomes ill herself.
01:40:04
So she begins her own fasting treatment. And on June 24th, 1938, Linda Hazard dies of starvation.
01:40:12
Yes. And this is just a fun trivia fact to end on an up note. Daisy Haglund, who was her first victim in the state of Washington, her three-year-old son that I told you about, Ivar, he would go on to open what is still to this day a huge chain of seafood restaurants in the Seattle area.
01:40:35
um one call and i've actually talked about this before i think for some reason when we are in
01:40:40
seattle one of them they're all named different things that it's ivar's lobster ivar's whatever
01:40:46
oh my god and my favorite one is ivar's acres of clams we have to go next time in seattle yes
01:40:53
absolutely even though you hate seafood i even though i hate seafood i absolutely want to go to
01:40:59
ivar's acres you can get a burger i'm sure they have a burger on the kids menu right and that is
01:41:03
the super insane story of Dr. Linda Hazard's Starvation Heights Sanitary. Great job.
01:41:10
Isn't that nuts? That is nuts. I'm glad you did that. Me too. That's a good one.
01:41:16
Shit. Yeah. Read that book. I swear that Starvation Heights book is fascinating.
01:41:21
There's so much more stuff that's so creepy. Really gross stuff about the place itself.
01:41:28
Yeah. Fucked up, man. Great job. Thank you. Fucking right? Yeah, you ready for fucking hooray let's do it okay what's my second one oh yeah you used your first I did do you want
01:41:41
to go first you want me to go first I'll go first if you want me to sure well I have two uh two we've
01:41:46
actually had a little bit of a conversation I think about this but the first one is the comic
01:41:52
strip the far side is coming back no Gary Larson is restarting the far side yay and it got announced
01:42:00
I think it was either over the weekend or it was a couple days ago. And I got so excited because my family is all about the far side.
01:42:10
I didn't know that. Yeah. I love it. It's one of my dad's favorite things. And what he used to do, and this was like all growing up, my dad would read the paper, usually the San Francisco Chronicle, and the far side would be in there.
01:42:23
And he would make you look at it and read it. And then he go is he nuts or what He a nut He loves Gary Larson so much and was so excited when I texted him and I go Dad the far side coming back
01:42:38
And then I sent them the link to the article and he immediately wrote back, what app is that going to be on?
01:42:44
And I wrote, Dad, wherever it is, I will figure out how to get it and I will hook you up.
01:42:49
You will have it on the daily. Don't worry. I love it. That's exciting. I know. I'm very excited.
01:42:54
I'm happy for you. And kind of to go hand in hand with that, I just went and saw the movie Hustlers, the J. Lo movie Hustlers.
01:43:02
Everybody's got to see it. It is hilarious and great and a true story, which you've got to love.
01:43:10
But Jennifer, as a almost 50-year-old woman watching J. Lo, a 50-year-old woman, pull dance like a motherfucker to Fiona Apple.
01:43:20
No, are you serious? It starts this movie off where we're just like, whoa. Which song?
01:43:26
It's amazing. I've been a bad, bad girl. I knew it. That's so good. It's so good.
01:43:33
And it's just like there's something very – oh, and also, aside from J-Lo, who, of course, is like a miracle, Cardi B, every moment she is on the screen is beyond delightful.
01:43:46
And I wish she was in the entire movie. I love it. She should have been in the entire movie.
01:43:50
I don't know why they didn't put her in the entire movie. I just watched her talk, which I do on Instagram.
01:43:56
Yeah, it's great. There's one part they just I feel like they added it in because it's just her yelling at the doorman.
01:44:01
If you haven't seen Hustlers and it had a huge opening for basically being a movie that's all women.
01:44:07
Yeah. Go see it because it's a real good time. OK, I need to go see it. But I've been busy because I got myself and my bad back a very large, very ugly massage chair.
01:44:22
Oh, yes. It's just one of those fucking eyesores. I put it in the downstairs. It's your airport massage chair?
01:44:30
It's totally. Oh, my God. What airport were we at where I went and got in? They had massage, like gross, greasy massage chairs at this airport.
01:44:37
And you put quarters in and I just went over and fucking did it. Because I love massage chairs so much.
01:44:43
And that was the airport where we were flying. God, I wish I could remember. I think it was Arizona.
01:44:48
It was a big one. It was a main one. Arizona. Yeah, that would make sense. And you sat in these massage chairs that were facing people walking toward the gate.
01:44:57
So anyone who saw you that listened to the podcast would be like, hi. And you'd go, you'd be in your massage chair.
01:45:02
Hi, Karen's right over there. But it was like literally six in the morning. It wasn't even just people who recognized me.
01:45:07
If I saw them wearing a murderino shirt, I'd be like, hi. I was just like having the time of my life.
01:45:12
You were high on having your legs massaged. And then people would walk up and I'd like have my earbuds in like barely awake.
01:45:18
They'd be like, I'm sorry. Georgia, send us your way. Well, I'd say hi and hug them.
01:45:24
I'd go, go say hi to Karen. Because I was so happy. So I got one of those zero gravity fucking massaging big, huge, ugly chairs.
01:45:32
And I have been using it every night with your fucking weighted blanket on top of me.
01:45:38
Really? And usually Mimi on top of that. Sure And it is just heaven It is so lovely And I know I talked like this about my bathtub but I feel the same way about my massage chair And I just so happy It just brings me joy Yes And the weighted
01:45:54
blanket is like a fucking bonus. So thank you. Yeah, my pleasure. The weighted blanket, like the
01:45:59
science behind the weighted blanket is so fascinating because it's like a hurricane dog
01:46:02
jacket. It is. It's like it's hugging you. Yeah. It's Temple Grandin style. You're in the cow hugger
01:46:09
and it works. It like makes me feel not freaked out. Yeah. It's so nice. Like, like it's got you,
01:46:15
it's got you down. I got you girl. Don't worry. Uh, do I need to get a big ugly massage chair?
01:46:21
Oh, you have a second bedroom. Get it. It's like a big ugly one where you put your legs in and it
01:46:25
squeezes and shit and it just makes so much noise and the cats are afraid of it except for Mimi.
01:46:29
It's so lovely. So it's so ugly. Oh, I love that. It's so hideous. That's such a good splurge. Yeah.
01:46:36
And it wasn't like top of the line. It was like a cheapy one. You got a used one out of the Arizona airport.
01:46:42
That's right. I found my favorite. Washed those grease stains off. And it was great.
01:46:46
I had a, there were so many pretzels being eaten in that. Come on. Now they're your pretzels.
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