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Yes! Honk, honk. You guys, we did it. You guys were here. Everyone having fun at camp?
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Yeah? Oh, yes, absolutely. I love it. We're your counselors. We're the girls from the last show.
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Just different outfits. I have no shoes on. That's about it, though. How about you give us a little whirl?
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Oh, let me show it without showing my underwear. Nice, nice. This is, I keep, I get brand loyal to murderinos who make me clothes.
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Yeah, I bet you do. So this is Sarah Duke. She made this, and look. Yes. Sarah Duke knows her stuff.
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Yeah. Out of Canada, right? Yeah. Yeah. What about you? Oh, this is a unique vintage piece.
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promo code murder commercials for it on the show there's no pockets they haven't learned yet
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they will, don't worry there's a big pocket in the front right there I can't help it
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I can't help it if I do the foundation garment everything goes way upstairs it's just how it is
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but you know what that was our promise to you for my favorite weekend yeah Yeah.
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We bring the noise. We bring the funk. I can't do that, but. No, you do other things.
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I'm really happy for you. You have a great personality. Thank you. Stop it. Listen, I'm not on wiki feet for nothing, okay?
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We all have our strengths. George's feet. Mine are my high arches. Incredibly high arches.
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All perverts give her feet five stars. Thank you. Well, guys, remember last night with the whole arborist thing?
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that happened in the front row. When everyone was woohooing, we were like, how do we have so many arborists here?
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They were lying. They weren't. We talked to them today. They weren't arborists. They're not.
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They were just, they were fireball enthusiasts is what they were. They were, they loved the red juice
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as they called it. Ew. And my favorite moment was, and it's, we got to meet the woman who yelled
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what I thought she yelled, fuck you. which made me laugh really hard. And I enjoyed it.
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Then other people started doing it. I was like, I actually don't like that. Just the one moment was good.
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But then in the meet and greet line, we met the woman who did it. She was, I need you to know,
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you thought I said, fuck you. But I said, good for you. I have an accent. It was so cute.
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It's a terrible version of your accent. I'm so sorry. Oh, she's not here to hear it?
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Oh, my God. We'll repeat it. Of course she's getting a drink. Oh my God, she is dead meat when she gets back here.
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That was a dedicated moment. The one person not in the fucking room. You know what?
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When she comes back, just fucking ignore her. I'm going to do it. Can we take a moment to thank all the fucking awesome guests we've had tonight?
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Oh my God. And last night? The Perkast. Jensen and Hall's Murder Squad. From last night, yes.
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I have to tell it right. Oh, and then our incredible DJs, Fifi LaRue and Dante Fontana.
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They're good friends of ours, good friends of the podcast. Also, so many people that we got to talk to today and this evening
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talked about how amazingly run and organized this weekend has been. And that is because of all the people who worked so hard at the company CID
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to put this entire event on. So we have a lot. We thank them so much. They have shepherded this entire thing made everything so lovely and beautiful And the gorgeous Arlington Theater Yes this beautiful place They fed you hot dogs They fed you popcorn They fed you canned wine
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They saw how drunk you got last night. They were like, they need some stuff in their stomach.
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This is crazy. And they're like, can I have the night off? I'm kind of afraid of these people.
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Give them popcorn. It'll help. Yes. And thank, of course, all of you for getting it together, making this trip.
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from what we've met and talked to everybody about, you're from all over the goddamn planet,
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and it is crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. Thank you so much. Thank you. We're really lucky.
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Yeah. Crazy. Should we sit down? Let's do it. Okay. All right, we got her. Oh, wait a second.
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I think we should bring out Steven. Ah! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Steven!
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Steven Ray Morris, ladies and gentlemen. Yes! In his mustard shirt. He he he! I just want to thank you both for letting me talk about my cat on stage at the Arlington for a half an hour.
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Thank you. You're well. Living the dream. I know, really. And being back in Santa Barbara because I went to UCSB.
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so shout out to Santa Barbara I love it, amazing the fighting Chipotle original I love it
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thanks for being here, it's just fun to finally instead of say, he's not here he's here
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and he went to college here you'll be backstage pulling on your mustache while we record this
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I've been in the wings the whole time I've been in the wings the whole time love it
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Steven Ray Morris He looks good in mustard, doesn't he? Stephen's an autumn for sure.
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I mean. Love having him here. I'm sweating. Let's sit down. Profusely, I would say.
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Let's stop pretending and sit down. Oh, thank God. Standing, you guys. In the last 48 hours, I think I've had 29 cups of coffee.
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I've watched them all. Oh, can I say we got a mug today from someone and it said, I've worn heels that are bigger than your dick.
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Yeah. And I love it and I, yeah. And also I'd just like to say, two men gave us that mug.
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That's right. Yeah. Thanks, guys. We're teaching them so well. That's right. Everybody's learning.
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Everybody's growing. Everybody's... Yes. Thank you. You do it. No, that was it. Full voice.
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That was it. They love it. That was it. Oh, shit. Hey, Vince, do you have that bag I gave you?
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Oh, no. Karen has a secret bag. I fucking knew it. What is this? If Vince is around, Stephen, will you find Vince real quick?
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Because he has a bag. Oh, here he is. He says it'll be right back. What did you do?
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Just a little something. You did not. Well, it's actually, it's not going to be worth the hold that we're going to have to do.
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All right. Then why don't you tell them about this show? Okay. We haven't done this in so fucking long.
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No, we haven't done it in so long. This is actually our last live show in the U.S. for 20, what's the, 2019.
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Yeah. So. And thank you because a lot of you, we know a lot of you came out for this last,
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they called it the winter spring tour. But what that meant was that we were on tour for six fucking months straight.
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Yeah. coming to see you all in every city in this nation. Lots of chicken strips have been eaten
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all over this great nation. I really had to have a come to Jesus about macaroni and cheese in my life.
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Yeah. It wasn't good. It's more of a joke. Thank you. Vince! And thanks to Vince for tour managing.
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Tour manager. Husband. Husband. Keeper of the flame. He keeps me sane. He keeps us sane.
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What did you do? I just got you a little something because I know you wanted it And it's our first fan weekend together.
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So I thought I'd get you a little tiny gift. It's really. I didn't get you anything.
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It's a wig. Oh, my God. I want to be a wig person. And now I have a purple wig. Thank you.
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Yeah, you're welcome. Well, you did this. Yeah, I did. I'm like, touched that you did this.
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Georgia, I think about you every day. You have to because we talk every fucking day.
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I have to talk to her all the time. This is gorgeous. I think I know that girl on the cover, too.
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Oh, I think you partied with that girl in 1997. This is amazing. I'm going to put it on after the show.
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Yeah. Is that okay? I know. You've expressed a couple times the love of the idea of just having a wig.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So let's get you started. I support it. Thank you so much. You're welcome.
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That's very amazing. Yes. Untouched. I forgot my tissue. Fuck. Okay. Oh, no. It's in my pocket.
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It was just too deep. It was too deep. Okay. You're first. You're first. Tell them about the show.
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Oh, that's right. You guys don't know this, but this is a true crime comedy podcast.
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That's right. In case you were walking up State Street and you're just like, I wonder what this is.
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I'm going to go in. Hey, it sounds like a murder mystery show. Free hot dog. Count me in.
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I'm there. This is a true crime comedy podcast where we combine and fuse two things that are radically different.
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Comedy and true crime. Rather unseamlessly. Right? Kind of jerkily is actually a good way to describe it.
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It's murder and violence is the worst thing that can happen to a person. And we don't think that's funny.
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We just think we're funny. And we like to talk about true crime We are passionate about true crime We care about it We empathize with it We obsessed with it We worried about it And we nervous about it
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It gives us anxiety and it cures our anxiety. We can't explain it. We've tried to explain it.
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No one can explain it. We just like it. And so do you. Yep. And so if at any point in this evening
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anybody was dragged along here against their will and doesn't get it, That would be so fucking weird on this weekend.
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I had to pay $19,000 to watch something I don't like. Well, that's your problem, sir.
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But if you find you don't like that combination, you can go ahead and get the fuck out.
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Now do it in Drunk Karen. All right. Let's do it. Shh, shh, shh. Shh, shh. Do you have a lip balm?
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Do you have a lip balm? What? That's fun when you wake up at a bar. Oh, yeah. Sitting up talking, but...
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That happened to me once at the Three of Clubs. Yeah, yeah. I woke up making out with this guy.
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It's like, shit. Oh, he's cute. Okay, I'll keep doing it. That must have been a soothing kiss.
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It was really nice. Good night, night. It was pretty great. Okay, I'm first. I think.
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Ooh. Okay, so this one reminds me a lot of the McStay family disappearance, but there's differences and there's similarities.
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Let's talk about that. It's like so many things in life. It's true. So the majority of this information, though, I got from a 2018 Los Angeles magazine article by the author and journalist Stacey Perman, who actually was personally involved in this case.
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And I'll tell you why once I'm talking about it. OK. And also there's an episode of The Trail Went Cold podcast that I listened to about it, which is a fun podcast.
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OK. So Elaine and Saul Solomon, they saw Solomon, saw Solomon. They first met in a bar in Hollywood in 1971.
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Oh, shit, so many Ferns. Oh, my God. Ferns and Coke was the name of the bar. Do you want to meet at Ferns and Coke at 6.30 or 7.30?
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In the morning? Let's do it. We'll stay up all night and then meet there. Picture her big, blonde, beautiful hair, 70s.
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She was a 28-year-old divorcee with a 4-year-old daughter named Michelle. Saul was a 24 Israeli immigrant who had come to Los Angeles a year earlier He drove a taxi and was selling encyclopedias to make ends meet Let me show you a picture of them because they fucking cool looking
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Let me point this there. There we go. Party people. Oh my God. How fun are they?
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They are the most fun. And look, not to brag, but they're Jewish. What's up, my people?
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Hovon together. He has two rings. He doesn't just have a pinky ring on. He went ahead and wore, I guess, is it a wedding ring?
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I don't know. And apparently they're at a KFC party because of the hats. I don't know.
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For the old people references, ferals. Yes. Thank you. Okay, so he's this tall, burly, gruff guy.
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He wears a hat over his hairpiece. Does he really? Uh-huh. He would hang out shirtless, have a lit cigarette dangling from his lips.
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Hell yes. Elaine had these big brown eyes. She had dyed one hair. They were a very social, fun couple.
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They were always surrounded by friends and family. They all lived in the area. After they married, they had a son named Mitchell.
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I'm just turning it off. You don't have to look at it. Sorry. That's okay. Don't worry.
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We're selfish of you. Anyway. So she had Michelle. Well, then they got married. They had a son named Mitchell, and they moved out of their Reseda condo to a nice house in a cul-de-sac in Northridge.
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On a quiet little street called Lassen. And so, really? Saul started a business refilling fire extinguishers, which I guess you wouldn't think is a thing that needs to be done, but it needs to be done.
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It needs to be done, and Saul would do it for you at a price. Yeah. Everyone, refill your fire.
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Please refill your fire. Extinguisher. Extinguishers. They have family-like nice things.
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They had Greek statuaries surrounding their large swimming pool. It's the 70s. No, no, I know.
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They had a large screen TV. Again, the 70s. It's a big deal. It was as wide as it was long.
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We brought it tonight. It's here. It's here. It goes all the way back out into the parking lot.
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They had a VCR, which we used to have to rent those from the video store. We wanted to watch it to cassette.
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so whatever. They had one. They had nice clothes and they had nice cars and everything.
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So the fire extinguisher refilling business is kind of lucrative? Well, no. Okay. So let's get into this. Yeah. Okay. So everything changed, though. On Wednesday,
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October 13th, 1982, a neighbor next door, and this neighbor next door noticed that the
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Solomon's pool was overflowing. And so they called up a neighbor friend that were friends with them, like, can you go check
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on them and tell them to turn their pool off? I don't know how the pools work. Yeah, you turn them on and off.
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Like a sink. Right. That you swim in. Get that Greek statuary out of here and turn the pool off.
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They call the neighbors to go check on them, and the neighbor, the best friend of Michelle, the
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girl, is Stacy Perman, the one who wrote this article. It's a great article. And so she and her mother come and knock on the door.
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They ring the doorbell. Nobody answers. One of the cars is still in the driveway.
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And the family Cocker Spaniel, I had to include, named Mish Mish. Oh. Yep. Is that Yiddish for something?
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Yes. Great. Is in the backyard. Tell me more. No, I can't. Okay. That's all I know.
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Stacey's mom called around to friends and family and found out that Elaine hadn't showed up to the clinic
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where she worked as a volunteer counselor, and neither of the kids, 14-year-old Michelle and 9-year-old Mitchell,
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had been at school that day. So, of course, everyone's like, oh, shit. The police are called, and they found that the doors are all locked,
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but the security alarm hadn't been activated. Eventually, they enter through a bathroom window,
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and they're like, the house is totally normal. They don't notice anything weird, and in fact,
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they say to Elaine's close cousin, Doreen, the beds are even made. And she was like, that's a fucking red flag because Elaine never makes the beds.
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Oh, no. That's what's going to happen at my house. Karen would never, what do you mean there's no socks on the ground?
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I don't know. What's your thing? There's no drifting piles of dog hair that are just going,
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they get away from me sometimes. So they're like, that's not normal. Amen. When they looked closer, the detectives found that Michelle's bed frame,
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so the bed's made, and they noticed that her bed frame is broken and that her pillowcases, sheets, and bed thread were all gone.
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So it's just the comforter pulled up over naked pillows. Yeah, and a broken bed frame.
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Sent 1,000 red flags. Uh-huh. And they also discovered drops of blood on her bedroom wall and mattress.
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And a small patch of carpet had been cut out as well. Always bad. I know. So the police classify it as a missing persons case.
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I know. That is until about a week later when a Caltrans worker happens upon a wallet belonging to one of the Salomons
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alongside the Antelope Valley Freeway, which is about 15 miles away. And then the family passports, wallets, and photos are found nearby as well.
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So then the case is turned over to major crimes and were classified as an active homicide investigation.
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So this story makes global headlines. Everyone's like, what happened to this nice suburban family
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that just fucking vanished? And a press conference where Darrell Gates, who at the time is LA's police chief,
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called the investigation difficult and perplexing, which is not what you want the police chief
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to fucking call your investigation. No, yeah, keep that shit to yourself, sir. That's right.
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Pre-write something before you go make your statement. Then he says, when someone asks how much blood was in the house
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or how much blood was lost in Michelle's bedroom, and he says, quote, More blood than I would want to lose.
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It was a different time. It was a different time. A shittier time. It was a much...
00:24:10
It was harder. Okay. He said that LAP detectives had been already, quote, aware of Saul,
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but he refused to go into detail. So this is the problem with this story, is because we can't talk to him,
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and there's a lot of his name being dragged through the mud, which we don't have corroboration for any of it.
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So people are saying he's in the Israeli mafia, that he's an arms dealer, but that's people who are trying to hide something saying that.
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Not the police, but the people behind where they went. So, well, it turns out, so they look into the case,
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and it happens that on the night before they were discovered missing, on October 12th, Elaine's parents had been visiting the house,
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and around 6 o'clock, Saul had left, telling everyone he was going to a car auction with a business associate.
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And that was normal. He was like, oh, this business associate would buy luxury cars used,
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fix them up, and sell them. And Saul had invested in the business. So he leaves at 6.
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Elaine's parents go home around 10.30. And Elaine's on the phone at around 11. And she says the doorbell rings.
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And her friend says, she heard the doorbell ring. And Elaine goes, I have to go.
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Harvey's at the door and hangs up. So Harvey was the person that Saul had left with.
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OK. So that was the last time anyone heard from the family. So of course they focus on this guy, Harvey, who fixes up cars
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and was the last person either of them were associated with. He is a British citizen who had an extensive criminal history back home
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and had been convicted of more than a dozen crimes in England, including armed robbery, and had gone to prison nine times.
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Oh. In 2000... Nope. In 1980... in 2030, he finally got his shit together and stopped going to prison.
00:26:01
In 1980, two years after moving to the U.S., so he had been involved in an arson
00:26:06
on New Year's Eve in which the Sunset Boulevard mansion belonging to the Saudi sheik, Muhammad Al-Fassi,
00:26:12
they lit it on fire, the house got totaled, but it was just a fucking ruse, elaborate cover
00:26:17
to steal all the art from his house. And then they were like, oh, it all went up in flames.
00:26:23
And it's like, no, it didn't. I like that you said the house got totaled. It tumbled three or four times, end over end.
00:26:32
That axle's just spread. It's not, it's totaled. You can't. Rader had turned and received immunity
00:26:41
in exchange for testifying against his partners in crime. So what's the connection between this guy Rader and Saul?
00:26:48
Well, as I already said, Georgia. Please don't yell at yourself during this. He's the owner of a European car repair shop in Reseda called Mr. Motor.
00:26:58
And Saul had invested $20,000 in the business when police questioned him on October 14th,
00:27:04
noting that he had scratches on his hands. Always a fucking red flag. Oh, no, I'm just super itchy.
00:27:11
To the point where I draw blood from myself. He said he got it by working on cars.
00:27:15
You know those scratchy fucking cars. Yeah, there's a lot of cars that have rakes in them.
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Just sitting in there. That axle's broken and the rake is total. The rake, you're not going to get that rake back.
00:27:26
No. He said that the night he and Saul had gone to this auction that he had left the house for,
00:27:32
afterward he dropped Saul off at an Israeli restaurant on Ventura Boulevard, and then Rader said he then drove over to Saul's house in his van,
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parked the van at the house, rang the doorbell, got the keys to the Rolls Royce from Elaine,
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and was like, goodbye, good luck with everything, and took the car back to his Mr. Motor to get fixed.
00:27:51
Is this all making sense? Yes. Okay. Now I'm just thinking about that he has a Rolls Royce.
00:27:56
Yeah. Why would you buy a car that expensive? Because the only thing that's going to happen is some 19-year-old is going to just ding the side of it.
00:28:04
I mean, listen, when I parallel park, all bets are off. I'm going to clunk. You go forward until you hear something hit.
00:28:10
Then you go backward until you hear something hit. That's why I didn't buy a Rolls Royce.
00:28:16
That's the only reason I didn't buy one. No, you know, we've got to get one. Let's be those assholes.
00:28:22
Okay. And everything was fine. I was the last person to see both of them. Bye. Bye.
00:28:29
Yeah. The Solomon's Mercedes was found at Rader's garage, but he denied any involvement,
00:28:35
and he told police that he believes Saul was involved in transporting guns with the Israeli mafia.
00:28:41
So he's the one who gets to, you know, start that rumor. Right. So, but when police look into Rader's story,
00:28:47
they found that the car auction that he supposedly went to with Saul actually ended an hour before they even went to it.
00:28:55
And the restaurant was closed the night of. Check the basic facts of your life, people.
00:29:01
Yeah. You've got to do light research on your life. Now, it was harder back then because you would have had to go to the library,
00:29:07
get some microfiche out. Right. You'd have to go to the Yelp book, pull out Yelp book.
00:29:13
The Yelpo pages. Stop it. What time does this place that I'm lying about close? Hold on.
00:29:18
Let me call on the rotary phone. Oh, I missed the number. I have to start over again.
00:29:25
Why isn't it hanging up? Why isn't it? Okay. There's so many 22-year-olds that don't know what we're talking about right now.
00:29:35
God bless. God bless. So then in November 1983, there's this dude. His name's Ashley.
00:29:41
Ashley Paul. He comes forward. Does he have amazing hair? You'd hope. Ashley. Let's say he does.
00:29:47
Okay. He's this guy Raider's cousin, and the private investigator that Elaine's family had hired,
00:29:53
they went over to him in England and they were like stop being a dick and tell us what happened And he finally broke down and was like okay fine They went just like that That all it takes So Paul this guy Ashley had worked for his cousin Rader dealership but returned to
00:30:09
England after the Solomons went missing. In exchange for immunity from prosecution, he comes back to the U.S. and tells investigators
00:30:15
that he witnessed Rader shoot Saul in the head in the office of his dealership after
00:30:20
Saul demanded the repayment of the $20,000 he had invested. Paul then Ashley, I'm going to call him Ashley, then claimed that he
00:30:27
and Rader then went to the Solomon home where they murdered Elaine, Michelle, and Mitchell
00:30:31
he just fucking is like this is straight up what happened and my cousin's crazy and then he's like
00:30:36
then I helped bury the family's bodies in the desert in Antelope Valley but then he was like that's not all
00:30:42
remember in March of 1982 he told them there's this other couple named Peter and Joan Davis
00:30:49
that had gone missing, they were a British couple and they had lived only two miles away from the Solomons
00:30:55
and also did business with Raider's dealership and he said that Raider murdered them as well.
00:31:00
So I don't think they'd even connected at that point that there's this other couple that went missing.
00:31:05
And then... Okay, he said that Raider murdered the couple again in order to steal their artwork from their home
00:31:13
and that he helped him bury the bodies in the desert near Bakersfield. And he claimed that he was also responsible,
00:31:20
another one, for the January 1982 disappearance of a Burbank businessman named Ronald Adib,
00:31:25
who also invested money in Rader's dealership, but he didn't know where his body was.
00:31:29
So he's like, yeah, I'll take you to those bodies. Of course, they're not there.
00:31:32
They don't find them. Maybe he's lying. Who knows? And they arrest Harvey Rader,
00:31:38
but he is released due to insufficient evidence. And then blah, blah, blah. All this crazy shit happens about, like,
00:31:45
they try to arrest people. It doesn't work. Everyone goes home to England. And the judge dismisses the charges.
00:31:53
He goes back to England, and he's like, I'm not coming back. Fuck this shit. So he basically confessed and tried to his best to show where the victims' bodies were buried.
00:32:02
Supposedly. And it just didn't work out. Yeah. And he left. Yeah. So then in September 1988, so this guy Harvey Rader is still in town, but he serves a term in prison for passport fraud and is facing deportation.
00:32:19
So the authorities are like, we've got to get him before he later is out of town.
00:32:25
The case against him is very circumstantial, though. So they don't have anything.
00:32:31
His cousin won't come back and testify against him. At his trial, the defense pushed the theory that the family was murdered
00:32:36
because Saul was involved in illegal activities with the Israeli mafia. After several weeks of deliberations, the jury voted 11 to 1 in favor of convicting him,
00:32:46
but couldn't reach an unanimous verdict so that a mistrial is declared. Then at the second trial, he goes, let's see, second mistrial.
00:32:55
There's a second mistrial. And then he's back on trial for the third time in May 1992.
00:33:02
And there's no concrete evidence. There's no bodies, no witness, no weapons linking him at all.
00:33:07
It's all circumstantial. And then they find out that the 11 to 1, that one person, was like,
00:33:12
well, I don't even know if they're dead, so that's why I didn't convict. Like, if the family's even dead.
00:33:17
He's like, maybe they just took off. Yeah, and threw all their ID on the road, like, as in celebration.
00:33:24
And I'm sorry, left Mishmish behind? No. Not happening. Not happening. That dog.
00:33:30
So then they're like, oh, great. Well, that's our defense now is they're not dead.
00:33:34
Or Saul committed familiaside and killed the whole family, and he took off. That was, like, based on no evidence, that was their argument.
00:33:42
So this time around, the jury voted to acquit the now 49-year-old Harvey Rader of the murders.
00:33:48
So he got acquitted. He collapsed and sobbed quietly in his chair as the not guilty verdict was read.
00:33:54
Wow. Yeah. Since then, the case has gone cold. It's been almost 40 years, and the bodies of the Solomon family,
00:34:04
35-year-old Saul, 39-year-old Elaine, and 15-year-old Michelle, and 9-year-old Mitchell have never been found.
00:34:11
Really? And that is the disappearance of the Solomon family. Wow. Awful. Yeah. Sorry.
00:34:23
No, hey. What do you say? It's just fucked all around. I know, I know. There's that thing of, like, there being no evidence,
00:34:35
so then, like, when it goes to trial, lawyers are basically paid to make up stuff.
00:34:41
Yeah, and it's the only chance you'll get. If it's an acquittal, you can't retry them for the same thing.
00:34:46
That's right. I know you hate that. You hate that double jeopardy law. I do. Until it happens to me, but whatever.
00:34:52
Yeah. I just feel like it's a matter of time until they find them, and we can put this to bed.
00:35:00
That would be amazing. It's really sad. And so, yeah, it was Stacey Perman's best friend was Michelle,
00:35:06
and so she wrote this beautiful article about it, trying to figure out what happened to her best friend.
00:35:10
And she was there. She and her mom went to the house that day. Yeah, it's so sad.
00:35:14
Okay, well, I'm going to do the local story. It's the hitchhiker slayer Thornis Christensen.
00:35:22
Oh, this dick. Yeah. We're going from bad to worse, or worse to worse, actually.
00:35:30
So I got the information for this Wikipedia Murderpedia, an L.A. Times article from 1979 that was on GoldenStateKiller.com.
00:35:39
Hey. a book called The Encyclopedia of Kidnappings by Michael Newton, and an episode of a very great TV series on YouTube called Born to Kill?
00:35:52
Which is really good but I Born to Kill Make the decision Yeah Okay This starts on April 18 1979
00:36:06
A 24-year-old sex worker named Lydia Preston is working Hollywood Boulevard when a man stops his car
00:36:13
and asks her for, or picks her up for a date, asks her for a date. It was not romantic.
00:36:21
They have a conversation. They agree on a price. She gets into the car. and they start driving away.
00:36:27
He tells Lydia that he's from Santa Barbara and that he works construction. He's in town on vacation.
00:36:34
You know what? Let's hear it for Santa Barbara. He's done a great job this weekend.
00:36:43
Yes. So Lydia, as he's talking, Lydia's like, oh, there's a motel right there. We should go to that one.
00:36:53
And he just keeps on driving. and talking. So then she's like, okay, there's one right there
00:36:59
and points out another one. He keeps driving and he basically drives up into the Hollywood Hills
00:37:04
where it's windy secluded roads and it's very dark. It's away from the city lights.
00:37:12
And as they're driving along a windy road up in the Hollywood Hills, he pulls out a gun
00:37:17
and shoots Lydia in the head. Oh my God. She doesn't die. She survives. Not only does she not die, but she fucking grabs the wheel and crashes the car into the side of the road.
00:37:32
Holy shit. And then gets out and fucking runs to the nearest house. Lydia. Knocks on the door.
00:37:41
The neighbor opens it. She's like, please fucking help me right this second. He calls an ambulance.
00:37:47
She goes to Cedars-Sinai, has emergency surgery, and fucking survives this attack.
00:37:52
Oh, my God. Yes. It's a really nice start to a fucking terrible story. It all goes downhill from here.
00:38:02
Yeah. Okay, so aside from her statement, the LAPD has no solid leads on who this attacker could be or what his motives were.
00:38:13
If they'd contacted authorities in Santa Barbara, they might have learned that murders with the exact same MO of Lydia Preston's attack had been taking place in that area for almost three years.
00:38:24
So we'll go back to November 20th, 1976. 21-year-old UCSB student Jacqueline Rook tells a friend of hers that she's going to go shopping,
00:38:35
and she's last seen hitchhiking along a busy intersection in Isla Vista. So hitchhiking, it's 70s, so hitchhiking is very common at this time.
00:38:46
Also, there's not a lot of nighttime bus service or public transportation. so basically all the students did it
00:38:56
it was very popular because most of them didn't have cars so Jacqueline disappears
00:39:01
and when her disappearance passes the 24 hour mark the concern turns to fear of course
00:39:08
some people fear that a dangerous criminal who's passing through the area has kidnapped her
00:39:13
because no one believes that anyone in this small close knit community could be responsible for kidnapping young women
00:39:21
and the investigators open the investigation, but there's no solid leads. Two weeks later, on December 6, 1976,
00:39:30
a 19-year-old waitress from Goleta named Marianne Saris goes to a doctor's appointment around 4.30 p.m.,
00:39:37
and afterwards she walks outside to the intersection of Hollister Avenue and Patterson Avenue to hitchhike home.
00:39:46
And eventually she gets picked up by a stranger, and that's the last time anyone sees her alive.
00:39:53
So the kidnappings of these two women who were hitchhiking, of course, strike fear in the community.
00:40:00
People in Isla Vista and Santa Barbara, but mostly in the Isla Vista area, they take to the streets and they protest against, basically,
00:40:10
that they need more public transportation. They need safety for the safety of women.
00:40:15
and yeah, basically it's like a first take back the night kind of thing of like,
00:40:22
you can't just fucking leave us out here, you assholes. I'm putting words into those students' mouths, but I bet I'm pretty accurate.
00:40:30
One of those protesters is 21-year-old UCSB student Patricia Laney. So Patricia is a talented actress.
00:40:39
She's a juggler. She loves juggling. That's right. And she's also an activist, especially for women's issues.
00:40:45
So on January 18, 1977, Patty decides to go out and distribute missing person flyers for Jacqueline Rook and Marianne Saris.
00:40:56
And she walks all the way across town passing out these flyers. And when she's done, she waits for her friend to pick her up at the intersection of Hollister and Patterson.
00:41:07
I don't like it. But her friend runs late, and by the time they get to that intersection, Patty is gone.
00:41:15
And it's the exact same intersection where Mary Ann Sarris went missing. Less than 24 hours later, a police officer patrolling a secluded road in Refugio Canyon
00:41:26
comes upon the nude body of a woman who's been shot in the head with a small caliber gun.
00:41:32
Her clothing and backpack are found less than a mile away, and the identification confirms that it is the body of Patty Laney.
00:41:42
And the discovery of this body, of course, is devastating to the entire community,
00:41:47
but it also gives investigators their first clues. The road is not well known in its pretty remote area,
00:41:54
so that indicates that this killer must be familiar with the area and might be a local They also find paper towels near Patty body that are later identified to be restaurant quality
00:42:06
like to restaurant suppliers. And Patty's blood, as well as some latent fingerprints, are found on those paper towels.
00:42:16
Those latent fingerprints don't match any in the system that they have, but they file all the evidence for future testing.
00:42:25
And then they go back to that canyon and they scour the area for more clues because now they have something to go on, so they're just going for anything.
00:42:32
And this is when further up the same road that Patty was found on, the police discovered the body of Jacqueline Brooke on the same road.
00:42:43
She's been shot twice in the head, and her clothing was also missing. Four months later, on May 22, 1977, Marianne Saris' body
00:42:52
is finally found in Drum Canyon, which is north of Santa Barbara, and she's also been shot in the head and found nude.
00:43:00
So one night in February in 1977, which is about a month after the discovery of Patty and Mary's bodies,
00:43:08
20-year-old Thor Christensen picks up his buddy, Guy Mailer, to hang out. And the two grab some booze at a liquor store in Goleta,
00:43:15
and then they go off to the side of a freeway on a cliff that overlooks the ocean,
00:43:21
which was like the cool spot to get high. You all know it. We've been there this weekend, right?
00:43:27
Yeah. No. Let's go to the cliff. So they're sitting in Thor's car, and Guy's rolling a joint,
00:43:35
and Thor doesn't realize he has his foot on the brake. So the brake lights attract the attention of a patrolling cop that's nearby.
00:43:43
So the cop sees the booze, sees the weed. He confiscates them, you know, for official use.
00:43:50
and then he tells them he has to write them a ticket. He asks Thor to open his trunk and Thor refuses.
00:43:58
And Thor's friend Guy is like, what the fuck are you doing? Just open your trunk, you asshole.
00:44:04
So Thor complies. And in the trunk, the officer discovers a .22 caliber pistol wrapped in a paper bag.
00:44:12
But when he questions Thor about it, he states that he brought the gun in case him and Guy
00:44:16
decided to go to the creek to shoot rabbits. that fun thing you do when you're high
00:44:21
kill animals guy who has never known Thor to be outdoorsy or hunter type or hate rabbits
00:44:30
none of that's ever come up he is looking at his phone like what the fuck's he talking about
00:44:35
but it was a rural area and it wasn't uncommon for people to have handguns in their car for hunting
00:44:41
so the cop buys the story cites them for possession and goes on his way Thor has no record
00:44:49
and this near miss keeps his fingerprints out of the system for a couple more years
00:44:54
so let's talk about good old Thor Thorness Christensen is born in Denmark on December 28th
00:45:01
1957 in 1962 his parents emigrate to the US, Thor is 5 years old and they end up moving
00:45:08
to Solvang they're from Denmark so they're like oh we have to go to that fake tourist town, we better
00:45:16
live there. This is where we're wanted. This is where our people are. And the father opens a restaurant
00:45:22
there that actually became very popular. So it was the right move. Thor is a bright kid
00:45:28
but he has random outbursts of meanness and strange behavior towards his friends.
00:45:34
When he's in 6th or 7th grade his friend Ron Bender notices that Thor is developing a tendency
00:45:40
to step on and kill small animals for fun. Fuck Eventually it escalates He starts capturing birds and frogs
00:45:52
And tying firecrackers to them And letting them go Just to watch them explode No
00:45:59
So, but no one Back then people were like Oh, that's so cute Because you're a boy
00:46:07
No one's worried about it in the least Also Thor's father is a terrible alcoholic
00:46:14
who abuses him. So Thor starts drinking when he's about 12 years old. What the fuck?
00:46:21
Well, you get super fucked up when you're 12. That's true. And, of course, that almost immediately leads to drug use
00:46:30
and really a large weight gain for Thor. He ends up gaining, like, almost 100 pounds.
00:46:40
And he also doesn't do well with girls, which it's, you know, obviously he's very troubled and there's a lot of anger and there's a lot of issues.
00:46:50
And despite the abuse from his father's also kind of this conflicting thing in our family,
00:46:55
his parents are rich because of their successful restaurant. So what they do is they buy him an Audi when he turns 16.
00:47:02
They leave him home alone constantly, but they just leave like piles of cash there for him while they're at the restaurant.
00:47:08
So he takes the cash and he buys Kool's, the great menthol cigarette Kool's. Really? Okay.
00:47:17
And fifths of scotch that he drinks and sips like before school. Holy shit. So he's going for it.
00:47:25
Oh, my God. Okay. And up into early high school, he gets good grades. He's a smart kid.
00:47:33
but then his grades plummet and he eventually drops out and gets a job as a gas station attendant.
00:47:39
So after this encounter that he and his friend Guy have with that cop that night,
00:47:45
Thor moves to Oregon, you know, just for fun. So during this time, the hitchhiker kidnappings and murders stop entirely.
00:47:57
And then when Thor returns... He gets himself an apartment in Goleta, and he's lost a bunch of weight.
00:48:04
You know, he got himself together in Oregon. And he even gets a girlfriend who he met while she was hitchhiking.
00:48:12
Oh. But his close friends notice that he now has a keen interest in keeping his car clean,
00:48:19
particularly his trunk, which they all notice and think is super weird. And they also notice that he starts making regular trips down to Los Angeles
00:48:28
and then coming back and bragging about all the awesome sex he had with sex workers while he was there.
00:48:35
And they're all just like, cool, dude. So that is his new, that's apparently his new thing.
00:48:44
Okay, so on May 26, 1979, the body of 22-year-old Laura Sue Benjamin, who's a sex worker from Los Angeles, is found in the San Gabriel Mountains, just north of L.A.
00:48:54
And she, like the other woman in the Isla Vista and Los Angeles attacks, has been shot in the head.
00:49:03
On July 11, 1979, Lydia Preston, so this is our survivor from the beginning of the story.
00:49:09
She's in a bar called The Bottom Line in Hollywood. Have you heard of that place?
00:49:14
It became Cactus and Coke. What was it? Ferns and Coke. So Lydia's in this bar. it's been three months
00:49:23
since her attack and she's obviously just trying to live a normal life and then to her horror she's standing there
00:49:33
and she turns around and she sees the man who shot her in the head walk into the bar. What in the fuck?
00:49:40
It's her attacker Thor Christensen. Holy shit. So she's just like not today motherfucker.
00:49:48
Not then and not now. she fucking walks straight to a pay phone calls the police the police show up they immediately
00:49:55
arrest him yep because they know they have her whole story they know her they went through that
00:50:02
whole fucking thing with her like they know it all and and they get there immediately get him
00:50:08
and now they're the the cops in la and the cops in santa barbara isla vista area are able to connect
00:50:14
all of these murders throughout both cities to one man, Thor Christensen. I feel like it never happens like that.
00:50:22
Like, what a satisfying story. So fucking satisfying. And the woman herself who got fucking shot in the head is just like,
00:50:31
he's right there. Hi. I didn't die, asshole. Wow. Yes. Oh, my God. And when they do connect all of these murders,
00:50:41
they realize that all of these women look eerily similar. Creepy. Yeah. So in early 1980, Thor is tried in Santa Monica
00:50:51
for the murder of Laura Benjamin and the attempted murder of Lydia Preston. And Thor first tries to enter a plea of insanity
00:50:59
and then realizes he's not going to be able to fake that out or prove it. And so he switches his plea to guilty.
00:51:06
He's then tried in Isla Vista for the murders he committed there, and he again pleads guilty.
00:51:11
So in court, they actually, when you plead guilty, he had to explain the murders.
00:51:17
And that's when everyone finds out the reason that the bodies were nude is because he was a necrophiliac.
00:51:23
And so he killed them first and then had sex with their body. Oh, my God. They didn't know that before he personally told everybody in court.
00:51:35
Then he's sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole in the year 2004.
00:51:41
No, no, no, no, no, no. It's 1980. Okay, but men. What? Hold on. Okay. You're going to like this.
00:51:48
Okay. March 30th, 1981. Thor is stabbed to death with a 10-inch homemade knife in the exercise yard at Folsom Prison.
00:52:02
The guys at Folsom Prison are just like, no, motherfucker. Not at all. Not at all.
00:52:08
This fucking story. Yes. twists and turns. I find jailhouse justice so goddamn satisfying
00:52:15
because you know what it means? There's people in jail. It's like not everybody. Some people get arrested and go to
00:52:21
jail. They're still fucking moral human beings that are like, fuck off. I can make a shank
00:52:28
out of anything and I don't like your behavior. Yes. And I'm already in here, so I might as well take
00:52:36
care of some shit. Amen. Preach. Slow songs, never skinny. I can't move all of this.
00:52:46
Okay, so, Jay found me a listener email. Yes, listen to this shit. Hello, Karen George of Stephen and Animals.
00:52:54
My best friend showed off your podcast two weeks ago. Showed off your podcast. Check this shit out.
00:53:01
I listen to this. And I just have to say, I had no idea there was a name for people like me.
00:53:10
Murderinos. What? Like, that's an actual thing? Okay, okay, okay. So, I've been debating sending this email because it's pretty intense.
00:53:20
Also not talked about, super not talked about within our family. Very sore subject.
00:53:25
My dad is an epic, total, southern Cali blonde hair pool plasterer and partied hard in the late 70s.
00:53:32
He's from Solvang. Seriously, the most random Dutch town ever. Born and raised. And his best friend growing up, Thorness Christensen.
00:53:46
Holy shit. Also, Bender and Guy were close friends with this person's dad. We visit them when we are in town My sister still lives there so we visit often So this documentary thing comes up and my dad gets super weird and unsettled We were worried He wasn sleeping
00:54:05
He seemed really stressed out. So us kids got ballsy and asked if he was part of it.
00:54:11
My dad's response was, not intentionally. What? I can't handle any of this at all.
00:54:19
Isn't it crazy? My mind is, I'm glad I'm not wearing that wig, because it would have flown right off my fucking head already.
00:54:25
Flip that wig, baby. Okay, so this is my favorite. I know my dad my whole life. Amazing.
00:54:36
He looks tough but literally is like a big teddy bear who is not capable of such things.
00:54:41
Well, he didn't know what Thor was up to at all, but Thor had stolen my dad's .22 caliber
00:54:47
without dad's knowledge, and then afterwards helped him look for it. Oh. Yeah. When they confiscated the gun in 78,
00:54:59
I'm not sure if that's when the interaction started or when Thor pled guilty. Again, super rough topic for my dad,
00:55:07
but oh my God, I have so many questions. Dad wouldn't give much detail, but because it was his gun,
00:55:12
he was investigated and interrogated to the point of PTSD. He wouldn't tell us what the interrogation looked like
00:55:18
or what happened, just that it was bad. Hence why he was super not okay when the documentary guys called.
00:55:24
I guess it was pretty horrid, and what was worse was that my dad loved Thor like a brother,
00:55:28
and they were best friends. He was in his fucking goddamn wedding. When he talked about it, he had tears of sadness because he had no idea.
00:55:39
Needless to say, my dad carries a lot of guilt regarding the gun, which holy fucking shitballs I would too.
00:55:45
Well, one day I'll get Pops to answer my questions, and when I do, I will email you guys.
00:55:51
Leave your fucking father alone. Leave him alone. Talk about succession. There's so many other things in the world.
00:56:00
Stop it. Jesus. Don't bring us into it. Oh, yeah. I just had this, but... Oh, yeah, another detail I found out while researching.
00:56:13
Thor died, stabbed to death in Folsom Prison, March 30th, 1981. I was born March 30, 1989.
00:56:21
Gah! There's not a connection there. Not at all. Maybe it was the same year? It was eight years later on the same day.
00:56:31
Totally connected. Also, now we have your birth date. Yeah, that's right. I do wonder how his death affected my dad.
00:56:42
Like, was he conflicted? Not sure I would have been. What he did to those women was beyond horrid.
00:56:47
he didn't deserve a fast death. Sincerely, the chick that also shops at the Headless Market in Escatada,
00:56:54
Florida. No, sorry, Oregon. I didn't fucking sign it. She did. But anyway, that's basically someone who knew
00:57:03
where that gun came from. Okay, I'll end this with something that I absolutely love, and it's
00:57:09
so beautiful, and when we do these stories, it's so... I love it so much because you can
00:57:15
pull these rad things out of it They're like little pieces of life. In honor of Patti Laney and her passion for juggling,
00:57:23
Isla Vista has held an annual juggling festival for the past 43 years. They just had it in May.
00:57:32
They just had it in May. And all the proceeds from the event go to the Santa Barbara Rape Crisis Center.
00:57:39
so if you want a t-shirt from the juggling festival you can go to sbjuggle.org and that will also go toward the rape crisis center
00:57:54
if you want a juggling t-shirt you can get it and that is the rotten tale of serial killer Thor Christensen
00:58:01
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Why, I'm shit. I almost cried. I don't ever almost cry. Georgia hates crying. I hate crying.
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We have an amazing surprise guest for you. That's right. We're so excited. Yeah.
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And we're so, so honored. Yeah. She's one of the first female detectives in Sacramento.
01:01:30
The first female detective to run her own task force and was one of the original and primary investigators
01:01:37
on the East Area Rapist case before retiring as Sacramento County Sheriff's Detective in 2001.
01:01:46
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage right now Ms. Carol Daly. I think you should walk down.
01:02:05
Say hi to those guys. Before you sit. Say hi. Hello. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness.
01:02:15
Carol Daly. Thank you so much. I'm overwhelmed. I'm overwhelmed. It's pretty crazy, right?
01:02:21
Yes. Oh, my God. We're so excited you're here. I didn't get you a wig, though. I'm sorry.
01:02:27
It's all right. I'm wearing one. Nice. Okay, so we know you all from following East Area Rapist
01:02:48
and obviously what then became Golden State Killer, the Eron's case. do you just want to talk about that a little bit, about what it was like at that time
01:02:58
and to be in the position that you were in as one of the first female detectives?
01:03:04
When I joined the sheriff's department in 1968, there had been two ladies on the department for four years.
01:03:12
And women coming in, it was a special classification, female deputy sheriff, separate criteria to apply and everything.
01:03:20
Early on in law enforcement, we didn't wear, we wore skirts and high heels and carried a gun in our purse.
01:03:31
Sorry, was that a requirement? Yes. We weren't allowed to wear pants, and all of our shirts were tailored off in the men's uniforms.
01:03:43
We didn't have women's uniforms. So it was a very early time in law enforcement.
01:03:50
We weren't allowed to work in patrol. We couldn't work in the jail. So there were only three positions that we could work at.
01:03:56
And one was detectives, one was long-haul transportation, and the other one was courthouse.
01:04:02
So after we trained for about six months, we were given our assignments. So I went to detectives, had been in detectives about nine years,
01:04:11
and had just transferred into the homicide detail. So, why? Thank you. She's talking.
01:04:20
So I really specialized in crimes against children for several years, and then I was working sexual assault.
01:04:29
Then when I transferred into the homicide detail, it was just shortly before the East Area Rapists started working,
01:04:37
and I had responded to one of the first scenes, and then after we realized we had a series going, there was a task force formed.
01:04:49
So I was the lead investigator just simply to work with all of the victims. We had a large task force, people that had different assignments.
01:05:00
So I wasn't leading the task force, but I was there to interview the victims. I think it's so lucky, though, that you were there because it's that thing that, you know, as a woman, I think there's like an empathy piece that maybe you brought that they didn't realize was so necessary, especially in that situation where it was such an extreme.
01:05:23
Those crimes were so extreme, so brutal. The crimes were very extreme and very brutal.
01:05:29
And it was really very interesting in working with these victims. they came from great backgrounds
01:05:38
they were educated women they were queer and some of them were just young 13, 15
01:05:45
and this was their first experience of anything you know being assaulted or anything like that
01:05:53
so just working with them and going into a crime scene and trying to put them at ease And I think the first thing that it was so important is to give them as much control back as they had
01:06:08
because they had total lost control over it. So you give them as much control and just listen to them at first.
01:06:14
And then when you start asking more questions about, please tell me a little bit more, tell me a little bit more.
01:06:21
But letting them know that this isn't just one crime, that everything that happened to them became a different kind of crime,
01:06:28
and we could compound the charges, and thinking down the line, you know, when an arrest would be made.
01:06:35
So very sensitive investigations, and if they needed to cry, they could cry. And we had times during the investigation when, you know, we would maybe just have to laugh about some things.
01:06:54
And it was, sometimes it was a nervous laugh. Sure. And it was okay. Yeah. Yes. Amazing.
01:07:03
But at the time that these, that the East Area Rapist was working, rapes were just a misdemeanor.
01:07:12
Are you serious? Oh, no. A lot of people don't realize that. They were not a serious crime, and rape victims not only were assaulted at the time,
01:07:25
but as they went through the court process, they became the ones that were at fault.
01:07:30
They were always the ones who were condemned for being the rape victim. So it was a big movement of women right after, during this time,
01:07:40
that they pushed and pushed to get reclassified to a felony. And now, of course, you look at the punishment and things that are going on.
01:07:53
So it was actually women who got together and pushed and said, this isn't right, isn't right.
01:07:58
That's right. Wow. That's incredible. One of my favorite, or I guess one of our favorite,
01:08:06
because, of course, we've watched so many of the Irons and the specials that are on TV and all the things that we've seen.
01:08:14
And our favorite discovery was very early on. George and I said a phrase that became almost a motto of the show,
01:08:23
which is fuck politeness. You don't have to be nice to people. You don't have to be nice to people.
01:08:27
You don't owe anybody anything. You certainly don't owe strangers your time or anything.
01:08:31
And then we were watching one of those things, and you are speaking to the group of people that came
01:08:39
when everybody came to the... I want to say congregation, but that's not right. You know, the community meetings.
01:08:46
Yes, one of the community meetings. And you basically, in a much more polite way, said,
01:08:52
fuck politeness, you don't owe anybody anything. You have to open your door to anybody.
01:08:57
Yeah, you told everyone to fight, and we were so moved by that. And we had always encouraged victims, you know,
01:09:03
try to take charge, do whatever you can to get away. However, with this particular rapist,
01:09:08
because he was so violent and we really knew that he wanted to kill, that we said, do whatever
01:09:15
he tells you to do because you need to spare your life. And that was a very hard thing to do.
01:09:21
The community was in a frenzy at the time. And for some reason, I was out front at all of the
01:09:30
community meetings and with the media, and mostly because I had interviewed all of the victims,
01:09:35
and so I was able to answer all of the questions. But it was a very tough time in the community for a period of over two years.
01:09:46
Yeah, because it just kept happening. Yes, it kept happening. And we'd have one at least once a month, and then months we had four in a month,
01:09:54
and sometimes we had two in a night. And we were just running from crime scene to crime scene.
01:09:59
How did you deal with that personally? I mean, did you have a coping mechanism? Were you prepared in any way for that level of continual, I don't know, stress?
01:10:11
From the very beginning, when I was asked about that, I didn't focus on me. And I think that that helped.
01:10:21
I always had to focus on the victims and what was happening and what we could do to try to solve the crime.
01:10:27
so it wasn't anything that I ever took into myself but to try and help the victims in what they were doing
01:10:35
Can you tell us a little bit about what the past year and a half has been like when they finally caught him and locked him up
01:10:43
and you've got to tell the victims Actually, it probably started about two or three years prior to that when the statewide task force
01:10:56
was put together to really concentrate on all the scientific information that was available to them to make the arrest.
01:11:05
And so I'd had a lot of contact with all of the victims during that time. And then I was in the car, and Sheriff Scott Jones called me and said,
01:11:15
Carol, guess what? We've identified who the East Area Rapist is. And I said, what?
01:11:21
And he said, yeah, as a matter of fact, this is his name, and he's in booking right now.
01:11:26
And so my first comment to him is, you have to tell the victims right now before they hear it in the media.
01:11:33
And that has really been a big issue for me with all of the victims over the years,
01:11:41
is that they always heard everything from the media instead of being told first.
01:11:46
And his comment to me was, start making the phone calls. Yeah. That's amazing. So incredible.
01:11:54
Yeah. So incredible. We heard that you have a story about Paul Holes. Yeah, yeah.
01:12:00
That's pretty funny. What's your background with Paul Holes? Yeah. Well, actually, I hadn't ever really talked to him until tonight.
01:12:09
What? We had met at a couple of events, but we were busy going in different directions.
01:12:18
But my daughter, our granddaughter, is a huge, huge podcast fan. And she listens to them all.
01:12:25
And so when she knew that Paul Holes was part of the arrest team, and she called me one day and she said,
01:12:33
Grandma, I really, really love you, but I'm hot for Holes. So anyway, and I didn't know Paul that well,
01:12:46
but I knew that he had moved to Colorado, that he had retired, and that he was starting a new career.
01:12:53
And so I just sent him an email, and I said, you know, my granddaughter's a big fan of yours.
01:12:58
She's a teacher. And do you have a picture that you could send her and autograph it?
01:13:06
And I said it really put me in, you know, good side with her. With you backstage, you said it would make me the favorite grandma.
01:13:15
So anyway, probably two or three weeks later, she sends me this picture by text,
01:13:22
And she said, Grandma, did you do this for me? Paul Holes not only sent him a picture of himself, he did a collage.
01:13:30
He did a picture of me, and he did a picture of him, a couple of D'Angelo, and some other things,
01:13:36
and then autographed it with a very nice comment about me. And she said, I am just moved to tears.
01:13:43
So, you know, as busy as he was, so that's my experience with Paul, that he was very kind.
01:13:48
And when I talked to him tonight, he was very kind. He's busy with his career and everything.
01:13:58
But I really appreciated him taking the time to do that. Yeah, he's the greatest.
01:14:02
He is. Speaking of photos. I think you've seen this. One of our listeners sent this to us pretty soon after D'Angelo was arrested.
01:14:15
Of course, we were out of our tree about it and talked about it and recorded an episode as we watched that.
01:14:24
The case. The next day, the press conference. Oh, yeah. You know, I mean, it was like such a big deal to us.
01:14:34
This case was actually the first case I did on this podcast. Was it? Episode one, yeah.
01:14:40
So it's been, and I think everybody has followed it for so long. It's such a horrible thing.
01:14:45
Oh, there's you. Oh, there's... Right? I love it so much. I feel... I hope you understand how incredibly inspiring you are to all of us.
01:15:00
I really... Thank you. Looking at all this stuff, I think we all kind of feel that same way.
01:15:04
We're like, we see pictures like this and we're just like, fuck, yes. Like, it's just so cool.
01:15:11
Yeah. I did not even know about this picture. until Joke Productions did their five-part series.
01:15:22
And Todd Lindsay showed me this picture, and I said, I don't even remember that.
01:15:28
And I think I don't know if I had come back from the FBI Academy, and there was a lot of media coverage, and they wanted me down at the range.
01:15:38
Anyway, I forgot all about it. We haven't. Yeah, the pearls are a good touch. The pearls were required by the Sacramento Police Department.
01:15:49
She was required to wear a huge strand of pearls. Can we bring up the other one, which is the Murderino art?
01:15:59
Have you seen that? It's hand-drawn? Yes. Oh, good. I have several copies. Do you really?
01:16:04
I bought them for the grand dollar. Oh, there we go. We want you to know you're a real hero.
01:16:14
to us. Your work is revered and intensely respected. We think you're amazing. And here's just one more reason
01:16:23
to love Carol Daly. So we offered all the people that came and did this weekend with us, everybody
01:16:28
got a stipend. And when Carol was informed that she was getting a stipend for this weekend... That's paid.
01:16:35
Yeah, that's a little walking around money. She said she didn't want the money because this was a public service
01:16:43
that she liked to do. Can you believe to talk about this stuff. And we were so touched by that
01:16:50
because having you here is like such a treat for us and we've been so excited about this.
01:16:56
Yeah. So we wanted to do something. Yeah, so we basically matched the amount of your stipend
01:17:01
and we're going to donate $10,000 to Rain in the name of Carol Dill. Thank you so much.
01:17:07
Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's a true honor to have you here. It's the best way we can think to cap off this show with this awesome weekend.
01:17:17
And we just we can't thank you enough. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.
01:17:26
Carol Daly, everyone. Come here. Yay! Amazing. Thank you so much, Carol. Thank you.
01:17:42
Look at her. She doesn't want any standing ovation bullshit. She's like, okay, peace out.
01:17:47
Public service. We're like, oh, yeah. This is a public service for us, too. Yeah.
01:17:51
Oh, yeah, I know. Should we? Yeah Oh yeah So look we going to do Hometowns Our Way tonight Yeah Here Vince with the mic
01:18:05
Vince Aver, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. So, that wig, right? Yes. You guys had been doing whatever. You came to the door of the room and you were like, get rid of this.
01:18:16
I was like, get rid of this. You go, get rid of this. I went and threw it away in the other green room.
01:18:22
So, then I'm standing here and you're like, where's the bag? I run up. There's fucking orange peels and shit on top of it.
01:18:29
That wig was in the trash. Oh, shit. I heard you go get rid of this, and I was like, what did you fucking do?
01:18:36
We threw it away. I love it. I realized I had it in my hand, and a gift bag isn't gift wrap.
01:18:43
So, of course, we're never not two feet away from each other. So I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess if I hold this in a gift bag, she's going to see it.
01:18:51
So I hand it to Vince, but then she's still there, so I can't go. oh, I got her a wig and I don't want her to see it
01:18:56
so you can get rid of it. So I just said the very last part that I was thinking.
01:19:00
Get rid of it. And so I see that and I'm like, okay, either she got me a present
01:19:03
or they're dealing each other drugs. I'm not going to ask either way. Vince and I are so high right now.
01:19:10
Okay. So we have some names of people who have hometowns that we would like to hear.
01:19:17
Andrea from Calgary, will you please walk down over there? So go over there where Vince is.
01:19:21
We talked to you already today. Andrea from Calgary. Lisa from Virginia, please walk over there.
01:19:28
Jenny from Cleveland, please walk over there. Jeannie from Indianapolis. And our contest winner for this weekend, the accountant Jessica from Connecticut.
01:19:46
Right over there, Vince. Yeah. Do you know we talked about you while you were getting drinks?
01:19:51
Yeah, where the hell did you go? We had a whole moment about you at the top of this show.
01:19:56
She did your accent. It was amazing. They liked it. It was not accurate at all to your real accent.
01:20:02
I do apologize. She just turned to her friend and goes, they're talking to me. We need you at all of our shows.
01:20:15
Okay. Thank you. You can bring the house lights down. Should we tell them the rules?
01:20:19
I said, don't get too drunk. And that's about it. Every person we kept going, okay, does it have a good ending?
01:20:27
Will you be drunk? Okay, then great. So if they did, it's not our fault. And here they come in no particular order.
01:20:34
Give them a hand. It's so terrifying, you guys. Yes. Hi. Okay. Yeah, we'll just do it one at a time.
01:20:43
Yeah. Andrea from? Calgary. Andrea from Calgary. Andrea from Calgary. Yes. The Canadians representing.
01:20:51
Great. Great. Okay, let's hear your hometown, Andrea. Okay, so first of all, this was about a little over 10 years ago now.
01:20:59
At the time, I was working at a social services agency called CNIB. Thank you. So it was like advocacy, public education for people with vision loss, right?
01:21:12
And no two days, anybody who's worked for a not-for-profit, no two days are the same, and you wear lots of different hats.
01:21:19
And one day I got a call from an up-and-coming architect, and he was really interested in accessible design for people with disabilities.
01:21:29
And I was like, that's awesome, great. So I was telling him, giving him some information,
01:21:33
and I said, well, why don't you just come for a tour? Our whole building was designed for that purpose,
01:21:38
with high color contrast and tactile targets and everything like that. So he was all eager. He's like, yeah.
01:21:45
So I give him the tour, and he's a really cute guy. Sorry, but really quick, what if she's telling us how she got married right now?
01:21:55
She just doesn't even know what a hometown is at all. Sorry, sorry, sorry. It's a great story.
01:22:03
He's really personable, kind, and this is all pertinent, I swear. At the end of the tour, he opened his wallet to give me his card.
01:22:18
so it's going to give him some more information. And he had this beautiful family.
01:22:22
And I said, wow, you're a lucky guy. And he said, oh, yeah, you know, lucky three times, blah, blah, blah.
01:22:29
So anyways, we talked a few more times after that. He called for information. He would send me Christmas cards.
01:22:38
You know, this and that. Nothing. He wasn't a personal friend, but, you know, we knew each other.
01:22:44
And then I guess fast forward maybe about a year. I had moved on to another job.
01:22:50
But I was listening to the morning news, and there was a story of a murder-suicide.
01:22:56
And I couldn't believe my ears when they said that this young man, Joshua Law, has killed his downstairs tenant, his wife,
01:23:07
and two of his three children. Oh, my God. I just couldn't believe it. I didn't know how to process it.
01:23:17
And it's not like it was my tragedy. I didn't know this person super well, but at the same time, it was really affecting.
01:23:24
And then the twist to that, or the odd coincidence, I guess, is that as we found out more details about who this downstairs tenant was,
01:23:35
well, it was actually a work associate of my then boyfriend. Oh, my God. He was a freelance photographer.
01:23:42
She was a freelance writer. and he's like, yeah, we knew Amber. He's like, you met her.
01:23:48
You met her at Jackie's party. Oh, my God. So it was just a lot to process for both of us
01:23:54
and both in a really weird space for you know I guess weeks after that And I never really talked about it that much because it felt like it not my story
01:24:05
It's not my tragedy. And it wasn't like they were friends, like super close. But at the same time, holy shit.
01:24:11
Yes, Andrea. Yes. That's a lot. That's a lot. Amazing. Andrea from Calgary, everyone.
01:24:20
Thank you. Great job. Thank you. Good job. Okay, hi. Let's hear another terrible story.
01:24:30
Hi. Yay. This is Jeannie, everybody. Jeannie. Hi. Jeannie, where are you from? Indianapolis.
01:24:37
Indianapolis. Indianapolis. Wait, are you the one that you told one already? Okay, wait.
01:24:42
Remind us of the hometown you've told so far. I mean, before. At the last indie show, I told the story of the woman who murdered her boyfriend by sneaking up while he was sleeping and dropping the bowling ball on his head.
01:24:57
But then your mom... Yeah, and then my mom did the ultimate foot in mouth. And the woman was hiding out in my mom's office during a break in the trial, and the press was trying to get in.
01:25:13
And my mom was like, oh, those damn reporters. Couldn't you just bash their heads in?
01:25:17
Right, yeah. Yeah. Epic. Yeah. Okay. We're caught up. She never lived that down.
01:25:26
Her co-worker was actually sitting on the floor behind his desk because he was laughing so hard.
01:25:31
Yeah, it was. Very awkward. Yeah. Very awkward. Okay, what do you have for us tonight?
01:25:35
So, okay. So this is a story of a physician that I used to work with. I'm a physician assistant,
01:25:46
and I live in Indianapolis, and I used to work in Lafayette, Indiana, and there was an orthopedic
01:25:52
surgeon that worked there who, his name was Dr. Gregory Conrath, and if you googled him,
01:26:01
and you would find that he had written all of these, you know, how to connect this tendon with this ligament
01:26:07
and the innovative way to do this, just brainiac. He was a mountain climber who had climbed a mountain on every continent,
01:26:13
and he wrote a book, a political thriller set in the Middle East. Wow. And he was a total dick.
01:26:22
It matches up. His name was Gregory Conrath, and our nickname for him was The Wrath of Con.
01:26:29
That's clever. I like it. Every time you had to call him for any reason, it was just a nightmare.
01:26:36
He had a short fuse and liked to yell. And one time he actually wrote a letter to the hospital complaining about me,
01:26:44
something that I had done, and I was terrified. And my superiors were basically like, oh, you got your first complaint letter.
01:26:52
Yay! You're one of us. So I left the hospital, and then a few years later, I saw his face on the cover of Indianapolis Monthly magazine.
01:27:06
And it turns out what happened was he was getting a divorce from his wife, and he didn't show up at his divorce settlement hearing for some reason.
01:27:19
And the judge was like, okay, well, here's how much you made last year, so this is how much you're going to pay your wife.
01:27:25
and clunk with the gavel, and that was it. So he found a new girlfriend, and they'd been together about a year,
01:27:32
and he took her to Puerto Rico. The girlfriend's name was Joanna. And they're drinking one night in Puerto Rico,
01:27:39
and he starts telling Joanna about how he's going to kill his ex-wife. And he has this meticulously planned.
01:27:49
He has done all sorts of research on which gunshot wounds to the head, which bullets work best. He knows
01:27:56
to use hollow point bullets. He's bought an untraceable gun. He's going to wear two sets
01:28:02
of scrubs. And she starts to figure out that he wants her to be his alibi. Joanna
01:28:10
is a badass. Joanna reaches into her purse, finds the voice memo button, which, who the
01:28:18
hell? We know where that is. Hits record and tapes this whole thing. Jesus. And then lets him tell this whole story.
01:28:27
And he's like, you know, she's got a million-dollar life insurance policy, so I'm going to be set and everything.
01:28:33
And then she's like, oh, yeah, that's great. I'm all in. I'm going to be your alibi.
01:28:37
I'm just going to go pee. And goes to the bathroom, hides in the bathroom. He comes, pounds on the door, goes back to the bar.
01:28:45
He goes up to the room. She lays there, lets him think that she's asleep. And then he passes out.
01:28:51
She gets up, goes to the airport, gets on email, emails this recording to a bunch of law enforcement,
01:29:00
flies immediately to their house, takes $30,000 out of their joint checking account, and is packing her bags.
01:29:07
Police show up at the door, and this woman's like, Hi, I'm a police officer, and your boyfriend Greg just called and said that he thinks you're going to kill yourself.
01:29:16
and so Joanna again badass is like I'm gonna need to see a badge and it is actually a cop
01:29:26
thank goodness so anyway she tells him the whole story I'll try to speed this up she tells him the
01:29:30
whole story they arrest him he um sits in jail for like a month and then goes out on bail with
01:29:37
restraining orders he lasts eight days before he blows the restraining orders he gets busted for
01:29:44
trying to basically stalk both of them. Yeah. Wow. Creepy stalk. Like, he hired a private investigator,
01:29:51
and then he was writing fake prescriptions to Joanna, trying to get her to come fill them Oh my God So he ends up with a bracelet on his ankle which he saws off Police to Mexico
01:30:05
There are twists and turns in there. So yada, yada, yada, because of Indiana law, you can't get convicted of attempted murder
01:30:12
unless you actually wound someone. But he went to jail for stalking and for writing fake prescriptions.
01:30:21
he's in jail for 10 years and he has filed 95 lawsuits and counting randomly against
01:30:29
his lawyer, the state of Indiana the prison system, all these frivolous little things
01:30:34
Indianapolis Monthly for writing that article that I researched with and now probably me for telling this story
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but that is the story of crazy Dr. Conrad unbelievable Jeannie you've done it again
01:30:49
two for two That was amazing, Jeannie. Oh, my God. Representing Indianapolis well.
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Oh, my God. So good. Guys. Okay, next up. Twist and turns. Hi. Hi. It's Lisa, everyone.
01:31:09
It's Lisa, everybody. Lisa, where are you from? I'm from Williamsburg, Virginia.
01:31:12
All right. Nice. What you got for us? So this actually, I was not a part of, but I was kind of there for it.
01:31:19
This actually just happened this July 5th. There was a 9-1-1 call based on just what was known as a suspicious incident
01:31:28
at an apartment building in my town. When the police got there, they found two girls who had escaped from a man
01:31:36
who was basically trying to bring them in for sex trafficking. They had been strangled, assaulted, and robbed.
01:31:44
They were fine. They survived. They got cleaned up on site. Everything was great.
01:31:48
but now there is this man on the loose. Well. That's right. This is where it gets hilarious.
01:32:00
He slips on a fucking banana peel like you wouldn't believe. It's just some things you don't think you have to tell people to not do
01:32:07
if you're going to live a life of crime. He had tattoos on his hands, his neck, whatever.
01:32:12
But he also had six triangles tattooed across his forehead and then across his cheeks.
01:32:20
What? Okay. Six inverted triangles. Okay. He likes math a lot. He was like hella easy to spot.
01:32:27
Right. Right. So six days later, I'm at work. I'm coming back for my lunch break,
01:32:36
and I'm noticing there's a lot of cops at the intersection by my office building,
01:32:39
and I'm like, that's weird. Something's going on. Twenty minutes later, we get an internal everybody email
01:32:45
saying, because we all had badges, Do not let anybody into the building. We are on lockdown.
01:32:50
There's a situation happening across the street. And we said, oh, shit, okay. Get to a window.
01:32:56
That's exactly what we did. We, like, opened the curtains. Well, we see all of these cop cars in the parking lot of the best place in the world, Cracker Barrel.
01:33:08
Hey! Yes! Best cameo. The parking lot was between the Cracker Barrel and a Travelodge Inn.
01:33:17
Well, he had decided to, you know, you got to get your grits on. Right. So he went to Cracker Barrel.
01:33:24
Covered and smothered, right? Covered in triangles. Smothered in triangles. And someone noticed him, and he, of course, caught wind.
01:33:33
He ran across the street to the travel lodge, found himself a vacant room to hide out in until things had cleared.
01:33:41
Well, two maintenance workers at the lodge heard noises coming from what they knew was a vacant room.
01:33:46
so they went upstairs. He had immediately held them up at gunpoint, had one guy on the ground,
01:33:52
the other guy, I don't know how, bolted, got the authorities. While this was happening,
01:33:56
he let the second guy go. He ran into his own special separate room. Don't know how we kept
01:34:02
breaking into all these rooms. And basically, he had a standoff with the police for about two hours.
01:34:10
And then finally, he came quietly. They arrested him. Well, about two weeks ago, actually,
01:34:16
he was deemed not fit for trial because he had a mental health inspection oh shit and was said
01:34:25
that he couldn't he didn't know what he was doing apparently he was being a real ass to his attorney
01:34:29
and he didn't like him he wasn't cooperating and i was like okay ted bundy like let's calm down you
01:34:33
know a lot of people don't like their attorney yeah but apparently he just like wasn't talking
01:34:38
to him was ignoring him wasn't answering questions so in january he is going to be kind of reassessed
01:34:43
and until then he's going to be in jail and if he is tried it will be prison for life
01:34:48
oh my god Lisa that had everything that cracker barrel that's all we remember from the entire story
01:34:57
Lisa everyone well done next up hi Sprankers everybody it's our Sprankers friend
01:35:09
it's Jenny everybody Hi. Oh my God, you can't see anyone once you're up here. I know, isn't it good?
01:35:15
Hey guys. It's scary. Where are you from? Sprankers. Oh yeah, Sprankers. I'm from Sprankers, New York.
01:35:22
Cleveland, Ohio. Awesome. Thank you. Yeah, Cleveland. Okay, so I work in a very glamorous job in Cleveland, Ohio at a TV station.
01:35:32
Oh, news time. So we have security there because even though it's just local TV,
01:35:40
we still have people who are crazy and try and come in and talk to the anchors or whatever.
01:35:45
So there was a guy named Duan. And I had just started at the station in 2007. And he was our
01:35:51
security guard. And he was super sweet. And you know when you start a new job and you're like,
01:35:54
how can I meet more people here? And then they're like, there's a bowling league. And then you're like,
01:36:00
Yes. I'm in. Sign me up for that. So you get into the bowling league and your mom gives you her shoes and her ball.
01:36:06
Aww. Thanks mom. What's your mom's name? Janet. Hey Janet. Oh. Love it. Every time we talk about your mom I'm like Janet, Janet, Janet.
01:36:15
So yeah, so we're bowling. I had Janet's ball. I'm bowling. We go to the bar. We're getting Bud Lights.
01:36:21
We're, you know, piling around. Duan is there and he says to me, he starts talking to me. He starts flicking me in the ear.
01:36:29
I was like, Dwan, back up. He's also a tiny, a petite flower of a man, even though he was our security guard.
01:36:38
He wasn't very big, I'm tall. Got it. So he's flicking me near. I tell him to get away from me.
01:36:44
He backs up. He looks me dead in the eye and he says, Jenny, I am the law. Oh, shit.
01:36:51
And I was like, cool, buddy. Great. We finish our game. I leave. I go home. I think it was two weeks later
01:36:58
our boss comes in and he pulls us all into the aisle and he says, guys we gotta talk
01:37:03
and I said, okay and he said, you know, Dwan? and I go, yeah, bowl with him, that's what we do
01:37:09
and he says yeah, he killed someone last night and I was like, Dwan? Dwan? the one you told him to get away from you?
01:37:21
who told me he was the law the law? Yeah. So it turns out he hid outside of his ex-girlfriend's house.
01:37:29
She had, I think, two kids and a boyfriend who she had just gotten engaged to. She waited for the ex and her kids to leave.
01:37:39
Good. Yes. Okay. Less casualties. And then he slashed the tires of the new boyfriend fiancé.
01:37:48
So he couldn't leave. He goes into the house. He pistol whips this poor guy. slashes his throat, and then leaves him on the bed in a crucifix position.
01:37:57
Oh, my God. So he got arrested pretty quickly, because it was pretty obvious that he was the culprit here.
01:38:06
So he gets arrested. They test him because he actually did have a very low IQ. But as it turns out, the judge was like,
01:38:15
you've held down a job at a TV station as a security. We don't believe that you're mentally incapable of handling this.
01:38:21
So he gets tried, and he is the third person since 1981 in Ohio to get the death penalty.
01:38:28
Wow. Yeah. So that is my story of Dwan, the security guard. Amazing, Jenny. So good.
01:38:36
And firsthand. Oh, the ear flick. That's amazing. Great job. Great job. All right.
01:38:48
Are you ready? Jessica. Jessica this is our contest winner Jessica from Connecticut Jessica tell us about the day you found out you were going to come to my favorite weekend
01:39:03
So the day I found out was right near a big tax deadline for my terrible people who don't give me their shit on time.
01:39:12
We have an extra six months to get it done. So I'm like waiting for my people, like hitting refresh on my email.
01:39:17
And I'm like, what the fuck is this? So it's like, oh my god, you won. Like, here's your information.
01:39:24
We need a W-9. Send us your name, address, and social security number. And I'm like, I'm smarter than this.
01:39:31
So I'm like, is this for real? They're like, yeah, it is. I'm like, great. I'll upload my W-9 via secure link because it's a share file and I don't want my identity to get stolen.
01:39:39
That's good. That's good to note. Accountants are boss bitches. Get with it. They don't mess.
01:39:46
No, we don't. So, on to my... Oh, yeah, and I got really excited. I invited my brother's girlfriend.
01:39:53
Thank you. Hey, shout out to me. Hi. What's your hometown? Oh, so I'm from Norwich, Connecticut.
01:39:58
I live in Colchester. If you're from the East Coast, I live near Mohican Sun. Yeah.
01:40:03
Gotta love those casinos. Inside stuff? What does it mean for a girl from California?
01:40:08
What is Mohican Sun? Oh, it's a casino. Oh. Yes. It's lovely. That's your big brag?
01:40:14
Yeah. I live near both casinos. Hey, girl. Yeah. Oh, shit. She can gamble whenever she wants.
01:40:22
And smoke. Not marijuana. Okay. So on to the murder. I'm going to talk about Connecticut serial killer Michael Ross
01:40:32
and all the weird connections we have to him. So Michael Ross was born in Putnam, Connecticut in 1959.
01:40:40
His mom wasn't super well. And shocker, she kind of beat the shit out of her kids
01:40:45
and got institutionalized. And they're like, you know, it's a great idea. lets this young child move in with his uncle,
01:40:51
who probably molested him, but no one knows, because the uncle committed suicide when Michael Ross was six.
01:40:57
So he moves to the chicken farm, and guess what his job was at the chicken farm?
01:41:01
Killing the chickens. With his bare hands. What? Yeah. As a six-year-old? Yeah, he killed the chickens.
01:41:08
One of his nicknames, I think he was the roadside strangler and the egg man, probably because, like, chickens, eggs.
01:41:13
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he did that, and then he ended up going to Cornell, where my brother's girlfriend went.
01:41:20
He studied agriculture, and then he became an insurance salesman, which is important in the future.
01:41:26
But while he was in college, he got a taste for stalking and raping. So, yeah, we have a quality individual on our hands.
01:41:33
So between 1981 and 1984, he committed eight murders. He would find women walking on the side of the road pick them up throw them in his blue car which was like a very weird color blue Everyone knew it And then he would murder them So my dad friend Wendy Barabalt was 17 The last time he saw her was at his high school graduation
01:41:56
Sorry, this is weird. I'm going back and forth. No, that's right. On June 10th. Play to the crowd.
01:41:59
Yeah. On June 10th, 1984, her body was found a couple days later, shoved in a stone wall near the McDonald's.
01:42:08
And the cop that found her ended up marrying my mom's best friend. Oh. Yeah. Really weird.
01:42:13
And back to the insurance salesman. Supposedly, this wasn't on the Wikipedia page, but everyone I know said this.
01:42:21
The day after he killed Wendy, he tried to sell her sister life insurance. What?
01:42:27
Yes. What a dick. Yeah, exactly. So because he had this really noticeable blue car, that's how he was found.
01:42:35
He ended up confessing to all eight murders. and while he was in jail, I guess he became a super Catholic
01:42:42
and got a, yeah, I went to Catholic school so I can say that. And he got a fiance and she was like, oh, you know, God forgives him
01:42:50
and he's excited to die because he's going to go to a better place. I'm like, okay, dude, whatever.
01:42:56
And according to his Wikipedia page, he had many accomplishments, but as a rape survivor myself, fuck you, bro.
01:43:04
You have no accomplishments because you did rape and murder. So go fuck yourself.
01:43:10
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you did, girl. Thank you. Yeah, you did. Fuck rapists, right?
01:43:18
Yeah. That's something we can all agree on. You don't get an accompli. Wait, why Wikipedia?
01:43:22
Seriously? No. So he was killed by lethal injection in 2005 and he was the first person to be,
01:43:30
what's the word? Like legally murdered by the state, the government. I'm blanking.
01:43:34
in New England since the 60s so that's good Jessica you've won everything this weekend you are the winner
01:43:44
across the board we're so glad you got to be here thank you that was awesome awesome have fun
01:43:55
wow that was a cavalcade of solid stories amazing Amazing. You picked all of those, too.
01:44:05
For every live show we do, we need to go to the city two days before and then just start casually meeting and chatting with people.
01:44:12
And telling people not to get drunk, and that's it. That's right. And not give out fireball shots as our specialty cocktail.
01:44:18
We were asking for it with that one. I mean, truly. I cannot believe this is the end.
01:44:23
I can't either. That went so fast. That's crazy. We've been planning this and looking forward to this
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and adding these fun things to this for, like, months. It's been so incredibly awesome.
01:44:34
Yeah, so have you. Yeah, we want to thank all the Murderino makers that came and brought their stuff.
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We heard that went amazing That the stuff was amazing Everyone sold so much stuff And of course the murdering artists that came and put their stuff up Everything you guys do
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is so awesome and full on. And it's so beautiful to watch all of you meet each other and hang out
01:45:01
and establish these relationships and create and help the fucking world. It's really a fucking honor.
01:45:09
Thank you all so, so much for being here this weekend. I can't believe it's over.
01:45:16
I know. We should do this again sometime. Let's do it again next year. Yeah. Yay.
01:45:22
You guys are awesome. Have so much fun tonight. Yes. And maybe we'll see you out at the after show.
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